**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 10 02:59:57 2010 Sep 10 07:57:03 awesome Sep 10 07:57:30 I thought meego was a third os seperate from maemo until tonight Sep 10 07:57:59 Welcome to the revolution, my friend :) Sep 10 07:58:25 instead, I discover it's a serious project, backed by intel, with a build that runs on some netbooks already Sep 10 07:58:44 Intel *and* Nokia :) Sep 10 07:59:01 c|oneman: and handset Sep 10 07:59:04 (s) Sep 10 07:59:10 Yeah, those netbook vids are pretty sweet Sep 10 07:59:13 it runs on the n900? Sep 10 07:59:24 what else? Sep 10 07:59:37 aava Sep 10 08:00:11 libva isn't? Sep 10 08:00:17 oops, old Sep 10 08:00:27 gone a piss off ali again Sep 10 08:00:47 moin Sep 10 08:00:50 I've got a Dell Mini 10v, gonna try it tommorow Sep 10 08:01:49 I want to try it on my Dell Latitude XT2 and see how the multitouch goes... Sep 10 08:02:04 Not quite a netbook, but hey Sep 10 08:02:50 Still curious how they're handling multitouch, when MeeGo is Linux based and MT in Linux still seems to be forming... Sep 10 08:03:24 Robot101: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1377 *nudge* Sep 10 08:28:42 does meego have flash support yet? Sep 10 08:29:06 on x86 Sep 10 08:29:49 ya Sep 10 08:31:06 c|oneman: that was an answer, not a question :p Sep 10 08:31:31 well uh.. so was mine! Sep 10 08:31:41 I was answering me! Sep 10 08:31:48 (yes, they will totally buy this) Sep 10 09:04:21 is there opengl ES 2 libs for meego handset? Sep 10 09:05:22 for n900 there is, at least Sep 10 09:05:32 and for aava? Sep 10 09:05:40 unsure if they work Sep 10 09:06:04 what package is the libGLESv2.so? Sep 10 09:06:28 pvr-bin? Sep 10 09:07:11 cheers, wish they'd stop those obscure names Sep 10 09:07:27 you haven't seen the first of it. Sep 10 09:07:27 :P Sep 10 09:07:29 I'm hoping GLes may work better than the gl2 on the aava drivers Sep 10 09:08:28 awesome, it's definately in there - now to find if the driver works with it... Sep 10 09:09:35 oh. http://lwn.net/Articles/404248/ Sep 10 09:10:05 oh that's nice Sep 10 09:10:55 that is great ! :) Sep 10 09:11:12 slaine: ^ Sep 10 09:12:30 how to get zypper working behind a proxy on the handheld meego image ? Sep 10 09:12:49 on a netbook Sep 10 09:13:29 export http_proxy ? Sep 10 09:14:07 Yeah, it's totally awesome, I retweeted it earlier Sep 10 09:38:19 o/ Sep 10 09:57:57 cool: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODU4Mg Sep 10 09:58:05 should be very helpful for meego Sep 10 10:18:03 Hi folks, I'm googling trying to find out how I can type sms on my laptop and send them via bluetooth from my N900 (Maemo). Anyone? Sep 10 10:18:31 Seems gammu isn't the right tool here http://wammu.eu/phones/nokia/4016/ Sep 10 10:18:51 I think you can with the Ovi suite Sep 10 10:19:45 however I will point out (cos others will) that this is #meego, not #maemo Sep 10 10:22:32 CosmoHill: Thanks. I forgot to mention that I'm on a linux desktop, and ovi suite isn't available, right? Anyway - I'm moving to #maemo :) Sep 10 10:23:39 writing a app and pushing the message via ssh to it should be simple enough :) Sep 10 10:25:06 adeus: Actually, that would be okay by me - but how do I send and sms from the console (on the device?) Sep 10 10:25:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Phone_call_and_SMS_examples Sep 10 10:26:22 if you are familiar with QT, you can make a app that send it. Use the Qt Mobility libs Sep 10 10:26:31 adeus: wow, great! thanks! Sep 10 10:27:03 not too familiar with QT programming (yet..) Sep 10 10:27:16 :) Sep 10 10:27:43 if sending the message is all you want, those python examples should do great Sep 10 10:28:48 A bit strange that the N900 is not supported by eg. opensync, kmobiletools, gammu etc (or am I wrong?) Sep 10 11:19:06 really getting a CEO from microsoft will increase nokia's market share in US?? Sep 10 11:19:08 dont think so Sep 10 11:20:06 microsoft business Sep 10 11:20:25 besides, it's not the trading of CEOs that increases market share Sep 10 11:20:31 it's an indirect consequence Sep 10 11:20:49 but, one commenter at engadget had a suggestion: "Zune on Meego?" Sep 10 11:21:23 :) Sep 10 11:21:40 you sure you have that the right way around? Sep 10 11:21:46 "meego on zune" would make more sense Sep 10 11:22:39 nice CosmoHill Sep 10 11:22:57 now you are thinking with portals Sep 10 11:24:17 ny one here going to developer day on 14 in bay area?? Sep 10 11:24:36 by bay area you mean far far away in america? Sep 10 11:24:57 yes Sep 10 11:26:11 i think that a simple reason might be that, at least that's what a us friend of mine told me earlier, the us image of nokia is rather... bad Sep 10 11:26:26 i lived in us for 7 years Sep 10 11:26:41 never ever saw a nokia phone in best buy or circuit city Sep 10 11:26:43 yeah Sep 10 11:26:58 we have a Best Buy in the UK, I was surprised Sep 10 11:27:12 while in europe it's difficult to avoid seeing nokia phones in supermarkets Sep 10 11:27:13 :P Sep 10 11:27:15 wish we had a chipotle elsewhere than london ;) Sep 10 11:27:23 hehe Sep 10 11:27:31 my first nokia was a 3310 :) Sep 10 11:27:44 friend sat on it and cracked the screen :( Sep 10 11:27:52 in Nokia land... you see nokia everywhere !!! Sep 10 11:27:59 :) Sep 10 11:28:08 i got google htc dream, though 6 months after it was released Sep 10 11:28:11 amjad: I have a few friends who will be there Sep 10 11:28:12 and by nokia land you mean thiago's office? Sep 10 11:28:24 amjad: me too. and i bricked it 3 days later ;) Sep 10 11:28:28 Finland :) Sep 10 11:28:33 * CosmoHill giggles Sep 10 11:29:51 i wanted to win android developer contest, played with android rc5 but then could not get lbs working on it, now it is just an antique piece were i test my java skills :) Sep 10 11:29:54 did anyone manage to get meego on the nokia netbook happily yet? (google search is a bit useless) Sep 10 11:30:08 lcuk: yes, long ago Sep 10 11:30:09 nokia netbook? Sep 10 11:30:19 nokia netbook?? Sep 10 11:30:23 Stskeeps, but thats not a general thing is it? Sep 10 11:30:35 ie now the owners of the netbook still have to be ninjas? Sep 10 11:30:36 aah nokia booklet 3g Sep 10 11:30:41 yes Sep 10 11:31:13 lcuk: search on youtube, i saw meego running on one on there Sep 10 11:31:28 so dell streak is out, you guys working for meego support on it or dell is working on it?? Sep 10 11:31:38 http://www.fsf.org/news/oracle-v-google mh, nice reply. Sep 10 11:31:49 i know theres "running on xyz" but can a normal person with a booklet just install the default meego image? Sep 10 11:32:19 Hi is meego supported on IMX51 board Sep 10 11:32:50 lcuk: just samurais now Sep 10 11:33:10 thanks thiago Sep 10 11:34:02 priyanka: ARMv6, ARMv7? Sep 10 11:35:47 https://one.ubuntu.com/music/ huh, ubuntu really tries more and more to copy osx :( Sep 10 11:36:33 thiago, how could a user level custom image be made available to nokia booklet owners who wanted meego? Sep 10 11:36:40 now if only they still supported powerpc Sep 10 11:36:49 lcuk: no clue... Sep 10 11:36:50 :) Sep 10 11:36:53 lcuk: mic2 Sep 10 11:36:53 :P Sep 10 11:36:58 lcuk: I've only ever seen one person run Linux on those booklets Sep 10 11:36:59 CosmoHill: noone does that though nowadays, except for arch maybe? Sep 10 11:37:12 :( Sep 10 11:37:36 * CosmoHill wonders if meego will run on powerpc (at some point) Sep 10 11:37:42 i bet theres a metric shittonne of Nokia branded booklets around which would benefit from a meego advert Sep 10 11:39:30 @Stskeeps ARM v7 Sep 10 11:39:53 priyanka: then it likely works :) Sep 10 11:40:03 priyanka: you need to drop in own GLESv2 libs though Sep 10 11:40:18 ok, is there ny working image available ? Sep 10 11:41:16 grab the meego n900 core image from weekly builds and go from there Sep 10 11:41:37 we're a bunch of meego ARM people in #meego-arm - we don't do support but we usually push people in the right direction Sep 10 11:42:18 @STSkeeps ok good Sep 10 11:42:41 isn't that support then? Sep 10 11:42:42 Stskeeps: towards the door? Sep 10 11:42:57 th0br0: no, because we don't do their homework for them Sep 10 11:42:59 :P Sep 10 11:43:31 sounds good to me, I'd rather me pointed in the right direction and learn for myself than get the answers spoon feed to me Sep 10 11:43:41 wish is what some of my classmates want Sep 10 11:43:51 i agree... Sep 10 11:44:21 nobody's commented on my blog :( Sep 10 11:44:30 on the plus side the updated spam blocker seems to be working Sep 10 11:44:45 could those 2 things be linked ;) Sep 10 11:45:26 ;) Sep 10 11:45:33 :o Sep 10 11:45:59 * CosmoHill headbangs desk Sep 10 11:46:06 CosmoHill, cant comment on your blog if you don't paste the link Sep 10 11:46:19 http://black-flag.co.uk/wordpress/2010/09/03/qmake-on-powerpc/ Sep 10 11:46:36 Just relieased, I compiled a new clamav rpm but forgot to install it on my server Sep 10 11:46:55 why do you have clamav on your server? Sep 10 11:47:03 do you have so many windows clients? Sep 10 11:47:05 cos it's connected to windows computers Sep 10 11:47:16 k Sep 10 11:47:32 even tho my desktop under windows 7 is the only computer without an AV Sep 10 11:48:44 AVs slow you down :( Sep 10 11:48:57 which is why it's not on my desktop Sep 10 11:49:13 laptop has one because it's a laptop, so it's connected to all sorts of networks Sep 10 11:49:21 yeah. Sep 10 11:49:21 which reminds me, smbtree is a fun command Sep 10 11:49:25 oh yes :D Sep 10 11:49:40 I ran it yesterday by mistake, printed all the shares on the university network Sep 10 11:49:45 ;) Sep 10 11:50:51 any nice findings ? ;) Sep 10 11:51:06 I think some of them were student laptops Sep 10 11:51:50 So you got a treasure map, but you do not have dig the hole ! :) Sep 10 11:51:50 what I was trying to do was to connect to a SAN from mac OS X, under windows it's the student's H drive Sep 10 11:53:18 (btw if you didn't know my real name before you do now [but only if you read my blog]) Sep 10 11:53:48 or if you hovered over the link in your quassel window, jonathan ;)( Sep 10 11:53:57 :o Sep 10 11:54:18 CosmoHill: you going to dublin? Sep 10 11:54:23 nope Sep 10 11:54:47 :( Sep 10 11:54:51 I have here a desktop computer with a nVidia Card. How can I make the SDK run properly with the chroot and Xephyr ? Sep 10 11:55:04 fabiomssilva: there is uhm lemme check, i saw it yesterday Sep 10 11:55:11 the journey would be described as "several anxiety attacks later" Sep 10 11:55:20 CosmoHill: you got problems with flying? Sep 10 11:55:22 fabiomssilva: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vljn Sep 10 11:55:29 th0br0: duno, never flown Sep 10 11:55:37 oh ok. Sep 10 11:55:46 fabiomssilva: there's something on the forum about nvidia and Xephyr Sep 10 11:55:51 tnks :) Sep 10 12:01:22 * CosmoHill goes to nom lunch, bbl Sep 10 12:12:10 * CosmoHill should be getting a powermac this evening / tomorrow Sep 10 12:18:18 hmm Sep 10 12:19:57 meego has slightly different rules on avatars than the forum I'm from Sep 10 12:20:35 aww what? no animations :( Sep 10 12:24:25 is it good or bad that this guy is spamming the KPC forum but is too stupid to realise he doesn't have a signature to advertise in? Sep 10 12:25:53 http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=477482#post477482 Sep 10 12:25:59 guess which guy is the idiot spammer Sep 10 13:30:40 Anyone know what the status of the MeeGo N900 port is, functionality wise? Sep 10 13:31:01 well, usually, you check our test reports Sep 10 13:31:06 but what are you interesed in knowing? Sep 10 13:32:02 Data/wifi functional yet? Sep 10 13:32:13 wifi's functional, data not yet, but we had audio calls and sms Sep 10 13:32:28 audio calls remains to be integrated. all code is published, but main trunk is in feature freeze. Sep 10 13:32:43 data not yet == UI doesn't work with it Sep 10 13:32:49 it does work if you do it manually Sep 10 13:33:02 audio calls are in UI too. initiate/receive Sep 10 13:35:19 Great, sounds like it is coming along well. Sep 10 13:35:24 Can I dual boot it off an SD card? Sep 10 13:37:23 yes, you load the kernel using flasher -l -k -b Sep 10 13:37:27 (non destructive) Sep 10 13:37:33 we're working on a u-boot based multiboot Sep 10 13:39:16 keep in mind we're work in progress, so some things are slow, weird, broken, etc Sep 10 13:39:20 we're actively bug fixing Sep 10 13:39:37 I'm aware :) Sep 10 13:39:52 Thanks for the update though, looking forward to have a choice of OS on my n900 Sep 10 13:40:03 Wonder which will be ready first, NitDroid or MeeGo XD Sep 10 13:40:10 nitdroid? Sep 10 13:40:11 n900 droid? Sep 10 13:40:19 Yes th0br0 Sep 10 13:40:24 Jef91|Work: does it matter? :) Sep 10 13:40:29 I have that on my SD currently, it is semi functional. Sep 10 13:40:35 Jef91|Work: our goal is for meego to work on n900 for a bloody long time Sep 10 13:40:42 Stskeeps - Of course it does. Choice is one of the most important things about FOSS :) Sep 10 13:42:41 Stskeeps: is this with the daily release? Sep 10 13:42:49 toggles_w: hm? Sep 10 13:43:51 Stskeeps: the ui etc? meego.com just specs n900 will boot to xterm Sep 10 13:44:42 toggles_w: sure, tablets-dev.meego.com/meego-codedrop.php Sep 10 13:44:43 full ui Sep 10 13:44:56 thanks Sep 10 13:46:04 hi Sep 10 13:46:15 is there a .ks for development build ? Sep 10 13:46:18 no go, url doesn't work Sep 10 13:46:29 err Sep 10 13:46:30 doh Sep 10 13:46:36 tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php Sep 10 13:46:42 Ahh, thansk Sep 10 13:46:58 Stskeeps, do you know whether there is a guide showing how to let users install their qt or other apps into the meego weekly. even if its copy binary+run Sep 10 13:47:18 or do they also need to first build a whole sdk at this point Sep 10 13:47:58 ie, can you take an already build qt 4.6/4.7 binary and use it directly? Sep 10 14:26:19 anyone know how to run a whole GUI remotely Sep 10 14:26:33 like instead of running firefox over ssh, i can run the whole desktop? Sep 10 14:27:46 VNC Sep 10 14:31:55 there is no -march=atom in src.rpm for meego 1.0 ??? Sep 10 14:32:16 ho sorry I found them Sep 10 14:34:59 morn dawn Sep 10 14:35:07 morning stskeeps Sep 10 14:35:23 or evening - ok, I haven't had tea yet :) Sep 10 14:35:45 universal greeting time should probably be in irc guidelines too ;) Sep 10 14:49:27 hmm Sep 10 14:49:44 it would seem I've kinda been banned from the network :/ Sep 10 14:51:10 huh? Sep 10 14:51:12 which network? Sep 10 14:51:17 uni Sep 10 14:51:21 why's that? your lab? Sep 10 14:51:31 it's cos I did a port scan Sep 10 14:51:52 and they detected that? Sep 10 14:52:08 yep Sep 10 14:52:23 you scanned the whole network? Sep 10 14:53:04 nope Sep 10 14:53:10 just my server to see if VNC was open Sep 10 14:53:30 then why did they ban you from the network? a self-scan is perfectly legal Sep 10 14:54:02 duno Sep 10 14:54:03 it's scripted Sep 10 14:54:09 and most importantly, how did they notice that this quickly... Sep 10 14:54:12 scripted mmh Sep 10 14:54:18 what's funny is that even ban you from the page saying you've been banned Sep 10 14:54:28 and my switch sounds like it's grinding metal :/ Sep 10 14:55:14 seems I can't open any new connections but I can keep the ones I have Sep 10 14:56:35 I think what I'll do now is shut down my stuff and move to another lab Sep 10 14:56:43 but first I'll ask the tech about my switch Sep 10 14:56:55 lol Sep 10 14:58:02 your it sucks :P Sep 10 15:00:04 he says I have a magical touch Sep 10 15:01:43 how so? Sep 10 15:01:53 besides, did you scan just a specific port? Sep 10 15:01:58 he's implying that I break things Sep 10 15:02:09 ask him what you broke? Sep 10 15:02:16 or do you really tend to do that Sep 10 15:02:19 oh. your switch. Sep 10 15:02:21 the latter :( Sep 10 15:13:38 * CosmoHill packs up and moves :( Sep 10 15:14:29 I basically walk up and down the hall with computers on a chair Sep 10 15:26:33 bbl. Sep 10 15:27:15 ali1234: did you write the list of package that contains ssse3 code ? Sep 10 15:27:32 yes Sep 10 15:27:43 can you put it on the wiki ? :) Sep 10 15:28:25 for which version? Sep 10 15:28:34 1.0.1 Sep 10 15:30:15 vlj: http://pastebin.com/ZtqwBtzQ Sep 10 15:30:25 thx Sep 10 15:30:52 in short, glibc is the only package in 1.0.1 Sep 10 15:41:18 I can't believe that apart from the monitors and computers, that the whole cluster stuff fits into one box Sep 10 15:46:40 bye bye .o/ Sep 10 15:50:10 procrastination'r'us. Not that I had anything better to do than to make myself a forum avatar... Sep 10 15:50:16 DOH. Sep 10 15:50:50 and yes, it's pink. Sep 10 15:57:04 Myrtti, we'd worry about you if it weren't. Sep 10 15:57:55 ♥ Sep 10 17:14:14 does meego have sdl? Sep 10 17:18:14 building netbook-mtf image Sep 10 17:18:30 CosmoHill: it should do yes Sep 10 17:19:25 cool Sep 10 17:19:36 now how do I put openttd into an RPM :) Sep 10 17:24:36 openttd has .deb?? Sep 10 17:26:06 not as far as I know Sep 10 17:26:22 I looked on their website and they have generic tarballs for i686 Sep 10 17:27:07 is this what you are looking at?? Sep 10 17:27:08 http://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable Sep 10 17:27:31 alien perhaps? Sep 10 17:27:46 yes thats what i was getting to , alien Sep 10 17:28:06 or just check out the dir structure of the binaries and do a spec based on them Sep 10 17:28:07 oh i see them now] Sep 10 18:10:13 hi Sep 10 18:10:15 hey, anoyne using meego on the n900 here? Sep 10 18:12:19 DrHalan: yes but I'm not one of them Sep 10 18:12:45 CosmoHill: do you know what they experienced? is it useable. are there major features still missing? Sep 10 18:13:10 sorry I'm not up to date with that Sep 10 18:13:16 well screw you Sep 10 18:13:21 eep you came back Sep 10 18:13:24 ^^ Sep 10 18:13:25 sorry I'm not up to date with that Sep 10 18:13:32 no problem Sep 10 18:13:35 just curious Sep 10 18:13:58 I don't know if phone calls are possible yet Sep 10 18:20:20 CosmoHill: i think they are Sep 10 18:20:26 at least placing / receiving calls Sep 10 18:21:02 mh do you guys know what maemo uses for im? is it telepathy? if so i wonder how the skype support was made Sep 10 18:21:48 it is telepathy Sep 10 18:39:17 DrHalan: Skype wrote telepathy and libosso-abook integration. Sep 10 18:39:41 DrHalan: A Skype bloke was talking about it at Maem Summit 2009 Sep 10 18:58:45 hey is anyone aware of how meego rund on the samsung n140? Sep 10 18:58:50 runs* Sep 10 18:59:04 is it on the supported hardware list? Sep 10 18:59:52 accidentally? Sep 10 18:59:55 :P Sep 10 19:02:42 ? Sep 10 19:02:42 hmmm... obs repository is stuck in status "outdated(building)" Sep 10 19:02:49 even tho no packages are building Sep 10 19:04:03 and every package in project shows "finished (recalculating)" Sep 10 19:05:19 ah.. scheduler had died Sep 10 19:05:49 oh i dont think so, but it has an atom Sep 10 19:06:06 is there a definitive list somewhere? Sep 10 19:07:27 CosmoHill, that was funny Sep 10 19:07:51 * CosmoHill is confused Sep 10 19:08:08 your reply, screw you :) Sep 10 19:08:14 :) Sep 10 19:08:38 normally people don't come back in when I do that Sep 10 19:09:02 we should log that one for the MeeGo greeters Sep 10 19:09:45 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/data/irssistats.aug.html << see my random quoet Sep 10 19:09:50 it makes no sense without context Sep 10 19:10:05 (and because it's me, it might even make sense with contexts) Sep 10 19:12:07 do we have the Cambridge 4 yet Sep 10 19:12:27 no idea Sep 10 19:13:10 see what we have on the forums Sep 10 19:18:26 lol i thought there would be dozends of people here using meego on a cellphone Sep 10 19:20:48 they're exspensive tho Sep 10 19:22:00 bought my n900 on ebay for 300 euros. its not that much imo Sep 10 19:22:36 but you can't actually use it yet Sep 10 19:23:14 well i am using maemo its just awesome Sep 10 19:23:26 i was wondering how far the development of meego is Sep 10 19:24:23 maemo's multitasking is nice Sep 10 19:24:41 I'd say it's more than nice Sep 10 19:24:49 i was wondering if the the gui is running in an x server Sep 10 19:25:47 the last system i had that didn't have multitasking was a C64 Sep 10 19:25:57 xD Sep 10 19:26:13 so i find it kind of hard to get excited about that Sep 10 19:26:18 well its the first cellphone with real multitaksing fo rme Sep 10 19:28:40 and the first mobile devic ethat has some kind of composition manager running Sep 10 19:37:35 CosmoHill, I think we have a quorum for the Cambridge group Sep 10 19:39:37 vgrade: cool Sep 10 19:39:41 now you'd need a location Sep 10 19:40:36 i know the ARU is in cambridge and you might be able to get a room there if you uneed one Sep 10 19:41:28 ARU Sep 10 19:41:57 Anglia Ruskin University Sep 10 19:42:52 do you know anyone there? Sep 10 19:43:44 I'm at the Chelmsford campus Sep 10 19:44:44 mh Sep 10 19:45:06 meego 1.1 is supposed to be released in october the homepage says. i guess ill wait until then to try it out Sep 10 19:45:06 CosmoHill: your in cambridge? Sep 10 19:45:17 though i reall ylike to use bleeding edge stuff Sep 10 19:45:17 no, chelmsford Sep 10 19:45:25 is that close? Sep 10 19:45:30 50 miles i think Sep 10 19:45:40 k Sep 10 19:45:47 ever been to oxford? Sep 10 19:45:52 nope Sep 10 19:46:08 I've been cambridge once Sep 10 19:46:25 k Sep 10 19:49:39 I think I was 16 Sep 10 19:49:49 wait, 17 Sep 10 19:55:31 i am looking for a blog entry or test report about running meego on the n900 Sep 10 19:55:35 cant find anyhting :( Sep 10 19:55:58 wiki.meego.com has a fair bunch Sep 10 19:56:02 under QA Sep 10 19:56:42 tahnks Sep 10 19:57:14 but form the videos meegos design looks worse than maemo... maybe i don't upgrade at all Sep 10 19:58:08 * lbt curses (initramfs) $ Sep 10 19:58:23 what crashed now? Sep 10 19:58:32 I'm upgrading ... :) Sep 10 19:58:43 new machines, new disks, new raid arrays Sep 10 19:58:45 ah Sep 10 19:58:51 yay Sep 10 19:58:56 * Stskeeps pats his zfs install Sep 10 19:58:57 yeah... "it should work"... "hmmm" Sep 10 19:59:05 forgot it exists at times Sep 10 19:59:05 :P Sep 10 19:59:24 * lbt coughs "opensolaris" Sep 10 19:59:30 and giggles... Sep 10 19:59:56 sure, but it just works Sep 10 19:59:57 :P Sep 10 20:00:01 does exactly what i need it to Sep 10 20:00:03 woo... it got bored waiting for rootfs to appear Sep 10 20:00:10 yeah... I know... sometimes... Sep 10 20:00:22 no more open solaris >.< Sep 10 20:00:25 well, minus that i don't have it using the LEDs on the front panel, but solaris kernel driver programming.. Sep 10 20:01:19 http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Entry-Storage-System-SS4200-E/dp/B0012J0MYW <- my favourite intel product Sep 10 20:03:15 is it good or bad that todays home servers are yesterday's home computers? Sep 10 20:03:26 it's typical Sep 10 20:03:27 :P Sep 10 20:04:04 hmm not on .co.uk Sep 10 20:04:10 my server was my home computer :) Sep 10 20:04:12 but I saw it last time Sep 10 20:04:23 it is very nice Sep 10 20:04:25 product is discontinued now Sep 10 20:04:54 pretty sweet, Stskeeps Sep 10 20:05:27 (it allows serial access if you wire it up and has upgradable ram.) Sep 10 20:05:46 and own booting, so it qualified as a hackable device ;) Sep 10 20:06:12 http://kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1201.html Sep 10 20:06:36 doesn't look gf friendly Sep 10 20:06:49 the hell's a gf? Sep 10 20:06:54 girlfriend Sep 10 20:07:06 you missed the joke Sep 10 20:07:19 probably Sep 10 20:07:20 :P Sep 10 20:07:26 and that intel thing is? Sep 10 20:07:52 ShadowJK: url above Sep 10 20:08:01 and that intel thing is gf friendly? Sep 10 20:08:13 sure, it's pretty soundless and doesn't look horrible Sep 10 20:08:20 and fairly minimal Sep 10 20:09:08 Stskeeps: if you add some straps it would look like a handbag Sep 10 20:09:21 hehe Sep 10 20:09:21 :P Sep 10 20:09:22 I think I've heard all the variants of aesthetics installing fibreoptics into people's houses by onw.. Sep 10 20:09:58 how about this; http://kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1023.html Sep 10 20:10:09 One guy had his cable going up to the roof, and down into a room through the ceiling, running ontop of a painting and a wallclock on the white ceiling. He concluded "This will be awesome once I paint the room matte black like the cable" Sep 10 20:10:55 i'm fairly happy me and my wife are both kinda minimalists.. more 'clean' rooms Sep 10 20:11:10 made it easier to move countries, too :P Sep 10 20:11:11 ShadowJK: my friend got ethernet in this room, his room is white and the cable is blue >.< Sep 10 20:11:31 just paint the room blue Sep 10 20:11:33 that's what I did Sep 10 20:11:38 (and then my cables turned out to be gray= Sep 10 20:11:39 ) Sep 10 20:11:57 i gave up trying to put words on colors beyond the basic ones.. Sep 10 20:12:24 lol Sep 10 20:12:33 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/cases/cases/LianLi/PC-B71B.html Sep 10 20:13:18 nice Sep 10 20:13:26 it is gorgeous Sep 10 20:13:41 so nicely engineered Sep 10 20:13:56 http://kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1442.html Sep 10 20:14:05 Lian Li are nice but out of my budget :( Sep 10 20:14:25 I have one of there 2 cd drive bays to 3 hard drives adapters Sep 10 20:14:32 stupid thing sticks out the front of the case >.< Sep 10 20:15:17 wait, my link would be a useless server Sep 10 20:15:24 I'm not sure I want aluminium Sep 10 20:15:33 ShadowJK: you do Sep 10 20:15:39 much better heat xfer Sep 10 20:15:54 much nicer than a crappy steel one Sep 10 20:15:55 Stskeeps: does your gf life anime? Sep 10 20:16:12 *like Sep 10 20:16:32 http://black-flag.co.uk/files/server.jpg Sep 10 20:16:42 CosmoHill: not like i do Sep 10 20:16:56 in that case the link is for you, not her Sep 10 20:17:39 heh :P Sep 10 20:19:14 I decorated it when it was my desktop case incase anyone is wondering why I have a pretty server Sep 10 20:19:37 lbt, but noisier since it's lighter? Sep 10 20:19:39 http://black-flag.co.uk/files/server.jpg anime sever ftw Sep 10 20:19:44 crap wrong window Sep 10 20:20:02 This heat transfer thing is like some sort of scam anyway. My Q9550 is perfectly happy inside my tripple-layer insulated Antec P182 case.. Sep 10 20:20:15 ShadowJK: i think it depends on the construction Sep 10 20:20:19 ShadowJK: Lian Li are pretty solid... Sep 10 20:20:27 my steel server rattles and wobbles cos it bends Sep 10 20:21:24 how do I make /dev/disk/by-uuid appear? udevadm trigger should create it.... Sep 10 20:27:23 ever wondered how you make a hamster disapear? Sep 10 20:27:53 simple: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/toffelaptop.jpg Sep 10 20:27:58 slam that laptop shut Sep 10 20:33:17 CosmoHill: so you like animuh? Sep 10 20:33:22 yes Sep 10 20:33:27 :D Sep 10 20:33:41 mh, i think we had this discussion in the past. Sep 10 20:33:48 maybe Sep 10 20:34:01 I wonder if the local meego meeting will turn into an anime club :/ Sep 10 20:34:41 ;P the local meego meeting? you seem to have high anticipations Sep 10 20:34:46 Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei Sep 10 20:34:58 *by local I mean within 55 miles Sep 10 20:35:03 ah ok Sep 10 20:38:55 only 11 days to our first local meego meeting at Tampere :) Yay! Sep 10 20:39:07 :) wish we had sth like that going here. Sep 10 20:40:11 kyb3R, many people coming? Sep 10 20:40:32 7 confirmed and 3 maybe Sep 10 20:41:42 sweet Sep 10 20:41:43 and 15 members in the network Sep 10 20:41:53 how many related to nokia? Sep 10 20:42:06 haven't counted ;) Sep 10 20:42:10 :P Sep 10 20:43:22 i would say, about 1/3 is somehow related to nokia, a guess Sep 10 20:43:45 ok Sep 10 20:44:17 how many of which own nokias? Sep 10 20:45:14 in finland, probably many.. Sep 10 20:45:15 :P Sep 10 20:45:31 :D Sep 10 20:45:48 :) Sep 10 20:46:45 or samsungs :P Sep 10 20:46:50 CosmoHill, just sent begging letter to ARM in Cambridge, for meeting space, I'll post it on the forum Sep 10 20:47:55 cool Sep 10 20:48:11 * CosmoHill curses qgil Sep 10 20:48:23 ? Sep 10 20:49:18 I knew if I posted on the forums people would put me in charge Sep 10 20:50:54 might be a stupid question, but could qgil be labelled as BDFL in Meego community? Sep 10 20:51:15 no Sep 10 20:51:17 that's TSG Sep 10 20:51:43 quim has a nominated role within the CO, afaik Sep 10 20:51:48 ok Sep 10 20:52:03 whenever I read TSG, I wonder why I never heard about that TV series. And then I remember what it really means. Sep 10 21:29:52 Stskeeps: now you're just lolhacking... .desktop file for tweaking brightness lmao Sep 10 21:32:07 auke: well, do we have a better service? Sep 10 21:32:22 show me in the architecture diagram what handles it :) Sep 10 21:35:02 auke: .. and that can be handled in 1.1 timeframe Sep 10 21:35:19 (we don't like hacks either) Sep 10 21:35:31 vgrade: how many weird looks would I get if I turned up to the meego meeting with my apple powerbook Sep 10 21:35:48 CosmoHill: there's a mbook profile for meegotouch and designers use it.. Sep 10 21:35:57 meego's supposed to be fairly agnostic when it comes to vendors Sep 10 21:35:58 :P Sep 10 21:36:25 arjan and other intel people seem to have Macbook Pros, intel processors and graphics card Sep 10 21:37:42 I have a Moterola PowerPC with ATi graphics Sep 10 21:37:53 I couldn't be more screwed if I had an AMD with Nvidia graphics Sep 10 21:39:44 I booted a P4 into meego core :/ Sep 10 21:44:02 Stskeeps: problem is you're making a new package to solve something that probably should go into the n900 display driver Sep 10 21:44:15 Stskeeps: can we get the n900 display driver do this at boot time? Sep 10 21:44:32 also, there should be a setting that can be restored once the UI starts/stops Sep 10 21:44:33 auke: possibly, but that would then add device specific code to a hardware driver Sep 10 21:44:57 yes I realize that Sep 10 21:44:58 so we need to figure out where in the stack this should be handled Sep 10 21:45:13 well drivers are responsible for leaving hardware in a usable state Sep 10 21:45:14 (we have to be able to upstream it so a kernel hack is probably a no-go) Sep 10 21:45:39 for good measure, not arguing, trying to find a way to move forward with the issue Sep 10 21:45:46 can we use a generic brightness codepath? something that just sets a reasonable level at boot? Sep 10 21:45:58 or at UX load time? Sep 10 21:46:01 the -practical- problem is that if backlight level is too high, battery charging will be unreliable Sep 10 21:46:10 like, before charging starts Sep 10 21:46:24 ie, it might shut down before charging even starts Sep 10 21:46:25 yeah that's fine, it's OK to set brightness to a reasonable level, like 50%-70% Sep 10 21:46:58 I still like that 0% is an option on macs Sep 10 21:47:11 either way, something has to turn it back up again Sep 10 21:47:16 hence the .desktop file Sep 10 21:47:38 is there a X/dpms/xset/whatever path for backlight? how does GNOME/etc handle it? Sep 10 21:48:26 cos that'd be one place in the stack where it would make sense Sep 10 21:48:42 I agree Sep 10 21:49:26 the non-software charging, when using wallcharger, should cover most loads (not counting radios) fine, but nolo reconfigures it to something unknown anyway before OS boots I think.. Sep 10 21:50:01 Stskeeps: neither xrandr nor xset allow brightness changes Sep 10 21:50:18 afaik there's no standard way to interact with panel brightness Sep 10 21:50:20 bye everyone Sep 10 21:50:21 :/ Sep 10 21:50:34 time to invent one.. ;) Sep 10 21:50:49 well it should be written into xrandr Sep 10 21:52:34 cos the danger is we end up with some stupid daemon like mce again.. Sep 10 21:54:01 nod Sep 10 21:58:10 for the while being (to 1.1 release) i'd flag it as architecture backlog or something as we can't expect to add something that does this in architecture towards release Sep 10 22:06:03 auke: for good measure, didn't leave out intel architects intentionally :) just started with the areas that were covered by the topic Sep 10 22:06:54 but i guess it's best to do architecture escalations with all four horsemen Sep 10 22:08:51 * Stskeeps heads to bed Sep 10 22:09:03 night night Sep 10 22:13:00 Reading are playing tomorrow :) Sep 10 22:16:29 having fun there abstract3d_ Sep 10 22:19:42 * CosmoHill wonders when thiago_home sleeps Sep 10 22:21:40 in a few minutes Sep 10 22:22:09 you only need to wake up and say something every other hour or two to give the impression of never sleeping Sep 10 22:22:56 or have a bot post as you occassionally Sep 10 22:23:08 That's what CosmoHill does :) Sep 10 22:23:22 you've not seen me really early in the morning when i should sleep Sep 10 22:24:49 I'm just as bad when I'm really tired as I am drunk :/ Sep 10 22:25:25 I try not to post anything first thing in the morning until I've had tea Sep 10 22:25:44 otherwise, I seem incoherent Sep 10 22:25:53 I ride my bike to uni so that wakes me up Sep 10 22:26:47 * kyb3R hardly ever goes to the uni (physically) anymore Sep 10 22:26:57 staff or student? Sep 10 22:27:03 kinda both Sep 10 22:27:09 I've been going to uni a lot concidering I finished in June :/ Sep 10 22:27:11 phd Sep 10 22:27:27 postgraduate higher deploma? Sep 10 22:27:46 yes Sep 10 22:27:47 ShadowJK: I don't need to wake up to do that Sep 10 22:27:50 bots can talk for me :-) Sep 10 22:28:01 is that the thing that lets you be called Doctor? Sep 10 22:28:07 yes :) Sep 10 22:28:13 in the future Sep 10 22:28:15 * CosmoHill puts it on this todo list Sep 10 22:29:00 thiago_home, I was going to say, but I thought it was too insulting to imply you could replace yourself with a tiny script ;-) Sep 10 22:29:06 DawnFoster, we have a quorum for the Cambridge network and I have approached ARM for a meeting space, any chance of some Meego compatable hardware to demo? Sep 10 22:29:24 ShadowJK: that reminds me of a t-shirt of a friend Sep 10 22:29:31 ha!, I've overtaken Stskeeps on the irc stats Sep 10 22:29:31 "Go away or I'll replace you with a tiny shell script" Sep 10 22:29:43 Cambridge UK? Sep 10 22:29:46 yup Sep 10 22:29:48 vgrade: OMAP3 Sep 10 22:30:03 that's why I put UK on the wiki page :) Sep 10 22:30:05 vgrade: how far is that from London? Sep 10 22:30:21 DawnFoster: lets see Sep 10 22:30:32 *too lazy to map it myself* Sep 10 22:30:37 there's one good OMAP3 board with number RX-51 Sep 10 22:30:43 commercially known as "N900" Sep 10 22:30:44 :-) Sep 10 22:30:50 we have some people in London, which is why I ask Sep 10 22:31:00 * thiago_home is going to London on Monday Sep 10 22:31:04 nokia on intel hw Sep 10 22:31:05 Just use an Atom-based netbook - it will run Meego all right Sep 10 22:31:24 or Sep 10 22:31:30 Or Ubuntu, for that matter :) Sep 10 22:31:43 DawnFoster: 1:10 to 1:30 by train from liverpool street Sep 10 22:32:24 vgrade: as mentioned, you can load it on most netbooks just fine, but I can put you in touch with someone from the London MeeGo team Sep 10 22:32:30 DawnFoster: hmm, it's 60 miles from london Sep 10 22:32:55 mostly the same route from my town Sep 10 22:33:19 I thought cosmoholl *was* a bot Sep 10 22:33:20 london meego? Sep 10 22:33:23 vgrade: if you send me an email, I can put you in touch with someone Sep 10 22:33:23 DawnFoster, thanks Sep 10 22:33:35 I'm confused, there's a robot me? Sep 10 22:33:35 dawn.m.foster at intel Sep 10 22:33:53 * CosmoHill notes that Sep 10 22:33:56 CosmoHill: that's exactly we expect a bot to say :) Sep 10 22:34:14 so one of your top five contributers is a bot :p Sep 10 22:34:31 either a bot or someone who never sleeps :) Sep 10 22:35:02 it's probably a sad thing I do but I pretty much turn my laptop on when I wake and off when i sleep Sep 10 22:35:13 it's connected to IRC whilst I'm up Sep 10 22:35:32 thiago_home, n900's welcome Sep 10 22:36:08 I'm terrible. I just make sure my monitors go off and use powertop to tweak my box down to absolute idle when not in use Sep 10 22:36:12 DawnFoster: google maps has screwed up, I've got two maps overlaid on each other Sep 10 22:38:11 DawnFoster: about £15 ~ £30 for a train ticket, return Sep 10 22:38:37 that's pretty reasonable Sep 10 22:38:45 would be cool if we could get someone to go. Sep 10 22:38:54 oh, I should let mmeeks know Sep 10 22:39:04 he's somewhere around there, too Sep 10 22:39:09 you could probably save more if you book in advance Sep 10 22:39:15 I'm getting prices for 10am on monday Sep 10 22:39:33 sweet Sep 10 22:39:44 30 mins from my town to cambridge by train Sep 10 22:41:10 I thought I'd have to go via liverpool street Sep 10 22:41:36 DawnFoster: sorry for BF spamming you with bug reports ;-) Sep 10 22:41:50 I take the 100% blame Sep 10 22:41:58 myrtti: we always appreciate bug reports Sep 10 22:42:19 I've been getting notifications on all of them, since they involve community infrastructure Sep 10 22:42:26 I can't keep up ;) Sep 10 22:42:42 at least now I know who to blame Sep 10 22:44:00 he was writing longwinding messages on the forum and I innocently asked "why don't you file bug reports" and that was a mistake coz then he found bugs in the bugzilla... Sep 10 22:44:12 or atleast annoyances Sep 10 22:46:46 okay I'm confused (it seems to be today's theme) Sep 10 22:47:12 it's cheaper and faster to go from my town to cambridge than it is to go from liverpool street Sep 10 22:47:23 even tho I have to go via liverpool street :/ Sep 10 22:47:41 It's cheaper for me to go to stockholm than it is to go to manchester Sep 10 22:48:59 CosmoHill: it's cheaper and almost as fast for me to get from my apartment in Tampere, Finland to Huntingdon than to Helsinki, Finland... Sep 10 22:49:43 where's huntingdon? Sep 10 22:50:26 About smack between Peterborough and Cambs Sep 10 22:50:54 huh Sep 10 22:51:38 that's...stupid Sep 10 22:51:54 no, that's Finnish National Rail and Ryanair Sep 10 22:55:27 ah RyanAir Sep 10 22:55:48 they flew mum's friend down and then didn't want to fly him back because he didn't have a passport Sep 10 22:56:18 so he was almost stuck 400 miles away from home Sep 10 23:09:15 Hi, I am working on getting IVI working in my car... So I am trying to troubleshoot a couple of items. For now, I am working on getting navit working. From talks on the mailing list, meego plans on using gypsy/geoclue to pass gps info to navit Sep 10 23:09:50 How do I go about configuring that to work? I don't even see the gypsy service running by default. Sep 10 23:11:42 oh bother, I was going to do something on the forum but I just forgot what Sep 10 23:12:01 kill them all Sep 10 23:12:25 I can only kill on the General-area ;-) Sep 10 23:13:09 ah, now I remember Sep 10 23:13:12 I can kill but not here Sep 10 23:13:27 was going to reply RevKathy Sep 10 23:13:29 DawnFoster objects to the mess it involves Sep 10 23:13:51 exactly, too messy Sep 10 23:14:05 banhammer ♥ Sep 10 23:14:21 I have an "op sword" Sep 10 23:14:46 I don't know if mine have been taken off on the channels I had them once Sep 10 23:21:11 I've had people come back after years and find they still have server access Sep 10 23:27:26 right, time to hit the sack Sep 10 23:27:27 nitenite Sep 10 23:27:40 poor sack, what did it ever do to you? Sep 10 23:29:09 night Sep 10 23:29:34 bye bye Sep 10 23:29:56 vgrade: Meaning of Life is on ITV2 if you;re nocturnal Sep 10 23:30:52 night, night to you european dwellers Sep 10 23:31:03 (still working hours back here) Sep 10 23:32:31 crap Sep 10 23:32:37 I need to start waking up at 8am :/ Sep 10 23:33:05 I slept in until 7am this morning - normally I'm up at 6am Sep 10 23:33:52 I'm up with the kids at 7 Sep 10 23:34:05 I has no kids :( Sep 10 23:34:21 make the most of it :) Sep 10 23:42:49 I'll have to settle for a dog Sep 10 23:43:05 * CosmoHill looks for the Undo button on his IRC client Sep 10 23:43:52 :) Sep 10 23:45:33 I should upload the new pictures of bobby that I took when had him for the afternoon Sep 10 23:53:43 need sleep, bye Sep 10 23:54:43 night CosmoHill, remember to set the alarm **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 11 02:59:57 2010