**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 02:59:57 2010 Sep 12 03:05:52 how is meego coming along? Sep 12 03:11:04 hum? Sep 12 03:14:54 meego is going good :P? Sep 12 03:17:03 how about for the n800 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 04:52:32 2010 Sep 12 05:08:12 drats, it's looking like the netbook install is hanging on "installing bootloader" Sep 12 05:42:19 interesting, it /appears/ that meego is preventing the fan from spinning up on this Eee Sep 12 05:44:06 rtyler, having the same issue as we speak with linux on my m11x cooincedentally :s Sep 12 05:44:16 s/coo/co/ Sep 12 05:44:17 swc|666 meant: rtyler, having the same issue as we speak with linux on my m11x coincedentally :s Sep 12 05:46:47 I'm pretty sure there's nothing in meego doing any fan suppression Sep 12 05:49:35 heh Sep 12 05:50:08 sofar: yeah, I believe the machien will turn the fan on automagically Sep 12 05:50:14 in BIOS after I rebooted the fan came on Sep 12 05:50:18 but not while using the live image Sep 12 05:50:42 hm Sep 12 05:51:09 perhaps the slow speed of usb IO is enough energy to dissipate Sep 12 05:51:26 huh? Sep 12 05:51:37 once you boot from the hard disc/ssd the io hub gets hotter? Sep 12 05:51:52 before the fan kicks in Sep 12 05:51:56 cant tell, the installer failed on the bootloader :( Sep 12 05:53:42 can't boot from btfs? :( Sep 12 05:57:25 needs a /boot that's ext2/3 Sep 12 05:57:35 until we get syslinux-4.0 merged Sep 12 05:58:38 gah, curse my cheapness in buying a 4G Eee Sep 12 05:58:53 how small of a /boot can I get away with? Sep 12 05:59:13 50m-100m is enough for 1-2 kernels Sep 12 05:59:41 100m is usually plenty Sep 12 05:59:46 jeepers Sep 12 05:59:58 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.5M Aug 2 22:21 vmlinuz-2.6.33.5-23.1-netbook Sep 12 06:00:11 if you're insane, try 20-30meg Sep 12 06:00:14 50m it is :P Sep 12 06:00:37 this is doomed from the start if this fan doesn't bloody start up Sep 12 06:00:49 swc|666: you find any workaround? Sep 12 06:01:12 rtyler, nope Sep 12 06:01:26 no idea what the deal is Sep 12 06:01:49 about to install that nvidia bench too to heat things up to see if the bios kicks it on Sep 12 06:02:44 godspeed moon cat Sep 12 06:03:32 crap, this won't properly install a bootloader either Sep 12 06:03:34 lol Sep 12 06:03:39 * rtyler waves fist in the air Sep 12 06:03:39 :s Sep 12 06:03:51 swc|666: how'd you install? Sep 12 06:04:55 rtyler, i'm using xubuntu Sep 12 06:05:20 thought this was meego related Sep 12 06:05:44 it is, but it is coincedental you and i are both having fan issues Sep 12 06:05:46 ++ Sep 12 06:05:55 ah Sep 12 06:19:24 going to give installing onto an SD card in the card slot on this sucker Sep 12 06:54:41 looks like my bootloader problem was known about back in may: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=2122&postcount=7 Sep 12 06:59:49 hey Khertan_Home Sep 12 07:00:13 morn texrat Sep 12 07:01:11 Texrat: really good job at meegons btw, think it was first step towards a feeling of community identity :) Sep 12 07:02:14 ty Stskeeps, that's one reason I'm doing it! Sep 12 07:02:24 that and keeping up the graphics skills ;) Sep 12 07:02:51 hehe Sep 12 07:03:51 I found I really enjoy Inkscape Sep 12 07:08:06 what really sucks though is my printer broke down :( Sep 12 07:08:53 am happy the people making planes arent the same making printers.. Sep 12 07:10:48 am so happy i'm finally travelling home tuesday.. been some really long days Sep 12 07:12:26 Good morning Sep 12 07:12:35 morn Sep 12 07:17:11 Stskeeps I bought soem special sticker sheets for the meegons Sep 12 07:17:21 plan is to print them out for the conferende, for badges Sep 12 07:17:33 if I can just scrape up cash for a new printer... :( Sep 12 07:17:48 conference* Sep 12 07:24:52 Texrat: or including them as part of meego badge Sep 12 07:28:41 right, checking out of hotel Sep 12 07:29:06 (going to tampere) Sep 12 07:35:19 Stskeeps the meegons could be pri nted to badges, but there are some issues... Sep 12 07:35:34 one, someone would have to set it up. No one took that for maemo... Sep 12 07:35:54 two, the community seems to have no input on the MeeGo conference badges Sep 12 07:36:20 I volunteered to design them in April, Quim seemed to approve, and now I hear they're outsourced Sep 12 07:36:26 meegons? Sep 12 07:36:31 where are they? :D Sep 12 07:36:40 MeeGo avatars, th0br0 Sep 12 07:36:54 but where to take a look at them? Sep 12 07:41:26 hang on a sec th0br0... Sep 12 07:43:30 th0br0 here's the wiki page: http://wiki.meego.com/Meegons Sep 12 07:43:40 thanks. Sep 12 07:43:48 they really look pretty nice. Sep 12 07:43:49 and here's my post about creatign them: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1134 Sep 12 07:44:00 * th0br0 likes em :D Sep 12 07:44:15 thanks... I din't do all, just most Sep 12 07:57:16 Hi Texrat Sep 12 08:03:01 hey hhartz Sep 12 08:03:09 hey achipa Sep 12 08:03:20 and thiago_home Sep 12 08:03:35 Texrat: morning! Sep 12 08:03:47 yeah, goign to be a long one Sep 12 08:03:51 I'm at work Sep 12 08:04:08 3am here Sep 12 08:05:06 Texrat: on a sunday? Sep 12 08:05:22 hhartz the joys of workign in IT Sep 12 08:05:27 working* Sep 12 08:05:44 I have to coordinate software updates with India Sep 12 08:06:25 Texrat: I see. that blows... at least you have few disruptions! Sep 12 08:06:59 well hhartz that depends Sep 12 08:07:09 on how well everyone else does their job ;) Sep 12 08:07:24 I make a lot of calls to pull people in to fix whatever breaks Sep 12 08:07:39 rule of IT changes: every fix breaks 2 other things ;) Sep 12 08:08:50 heh Sep 12 08:09:05 CI ftw Sep 12 08:10:13 Texrat: hey ! Sep 12 08:13:41 * Texrat laughs as achipa wakes up after being slapped with alrge trout Sep 12 08:13:47 large* Sep 12 08:15:23 herring more likely :) it's just that this chat thingy won't beep... got bored of all the window whoosh sounds and seems in my trigger happiness I killed the notify sound, too :) Sep 12 08:16:16 there she is Sep 12 08:16:46 hey Texrat Sep 12 08:16:54 damn why do I always get hungry when I work this late Sep 12 08:17:20 thiago_home I have been enjoying your emails on meego-dev lately Sep 12 08:17:24 good stuff ;) Sep 12 08:18:34 Texrat - you make me sound like a whale "Thar she blows!" Sep 12 08:18:43 heh Sep 12 08:18:57 if that's what you would prefer Sep 12 08:18:58 No comments on my physique, please! Sep 12 08:19:11 I'm in shape... round is a shape! Sep 12 08:19:27 * thiago_home needs to do his second pass at the conference proposals Sep 12 08:19:30 * RevdKathy passes Texrat a packet of diggie biccies to survive his morning meeting Sep 12 08:19:39 my first pass selected 140 talks... Sep 12 08:20:21 thiago_home: what's the rough 'capacity' (=final count target) ? Sep 12 08:20:33 achipa: we're not sure Sep 12 08:20:41 we have 4 rooms available right now Sep 12 08:21:09 but it also depends on how we spread out the sessions Sep 12 08:21:46 we have two 3-hour afternoons and one 4-hour morning, plus the keynotes and the third day Sep 12 08:22:26 thiago_home: just please don't repeat the Summit mistake - like put the really interesting talks in the small rooms (as in platform talk is 'boring') and then have 100 geeks stuck in the entrance door :) Sep 12 08:22:58 I don't know the capacity of the rooms Sep 12 08:23:03 gotta ask Amy Sep 12 08:23:07 thiago_home: listed on wiki page Sep 12 08:23:18 it is? Sep 12 08:23:27 ok, then I need to read the wiki :-) Sep 12 08:23:44 Stskeeps: hopefully in october I'll be getting the 101 - what do I install on that HX or tablet? ;) http://www.slashgear.com/archos-7-and-archos-101-hands-on-video-03100555 Sep 12 08:24:04 dm8tbr: only handset is out.. tablets nfi Sep 12 08:24:17 meh Sep 12 08:24:32 right we installed netbook on the a9 Sep 12 08:25:06 * thiago_home wants the just-announced A15 Sep 12 08:25:18 will HX scale well to an 1024x600 resolution or will it be like 6 icons spread all over the screen Sep 12 08:25:49 thiago_home: in which device? :) Sep 12 08:26:10 doesn't matter. Any device. Just put a Cortex-A15 inside :-) Sep 12 08:26:15 hehe Sep 12 08:26:28 note: in this context a9 means Archos9 Sep 12 08:26:34 ah, ok Sep 12 08:26:40 well, I still want a Cortex-A15 Sep 12 08:26:48 http://www.openaos.org/archives/508 Sep 12 08:27:05 dm8tbr: there is a conf file Sep 12 08:27:25 dm8tbr: well, it's not THAT much bigger than 800x480 Sep 12 08:28:35 * thiago_home reboots his proto Sep 12 08:28:37 (at 10" I kinda expected somebody will get brave and go for 720p :) ) Sep 12 08:28:59 good for marketing and all, esp Archos and video talk Sep 12 08:29:11 achipa: now those displays are available, when archos had to place orders in spring they weren't :[ Sep 12 08:29:31 same goes for the a70 which sadly only comes with 800x480 Sep 12 08:30:46 dm8tbr: heh, the age old nasty - dev manufacturers wishing component manufacturers don't announce things to the public :) Sep 12 08:30:54 I have an 800x480 device by archos that's 7", it's 2 years old now. it's nice, but moaarrrr resolution!!!! Sep 12 08:31:20 yepp Sep 12 08:32:10 I could run meego on it as it's an A8, but it would be slowww due to the missing SGX core Sep 12 08:33:05 powervr? Sep 12 08:34:43 dm8tbr: what SoC is in there ? Sep 12 08:35:17 it's an TI something something, let me look it up Sep 12 08:35:43 our wiki says: CPU: OMAP3525, 600 MHz ARM Cortex-A8 ( Instruction set reference) + 430 MHz C64x+ DSP + ISP (Image Signal Processor) Sep 12 08:36:04 isp, huh Sep 12 08:36:14 what is that? Sep 12 08:36:16 the A5IT, last years generation is nicer Sep 12 08:36:27 something camera related? Sep 12 08:36:43 prolly the special bits of the dsp Sep 12 08:36:52 CMOS image sensor, an Image Signal Processor (ISP) defines the image quality and the speed performance of the camera subsystem in a mobile handset. Sep 12 08:36:53 for video codecs Sep 12 08:37:38 the device does video encoding in real-time, so it might be related to that Sep 12 08:38:10 ah ok Sep 12 08:39:07 last years hardware has an CPU: OMAP3430 with 800MHz Sep 12 08:39:24 and SGX Sep 12 08:40:12 we have a community froyo build and meego is next on our list. one guy has a PoC but is on vacation in china. Sep 12 08:57:19 rain is playing hide and seek here with chances of flood Sep 12 09:55:32 hi Sep 12 09:55:44 does meego-handset-armv5tel-n810-daily-vmlinuz-2.6.35~rc4-9.9-n8x0 actually work ? Sep 12 09:56:28 define "work" Sep 12 09:56:33 boot at least :) Sep 12 09:56:51 yes, I think it boots Sep 12 09:57:12 using flasher ? Sep 12 09:57:50 100% (1905 of 1905 kB, avg. 805 kB/s) Sep 12 09:57:57 i can load it Sep 12 09:58:03 but the screen is all black Sep 12 09:58:42 and reboot Sep 12 09:59:20 humm the rootfs is not for sd .. Sep 12 11:27:49 Will the default meego installation, or rather any installation that will ship on mobile devices include the GNU coreutils? Or will they drop almost anything just to save a few kb like nokia did? Sep 12 11:39:27 Shapeshifter: define 'default' meego installation Sep 12 11:39:53 if the comments on the list are anything to go by, saving space is not exactly a priority Sep 12 11:47:03 Shapeshifter: meego uses bash + coreutils **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 11:57:28 2010 Sep 12 13:27:19 And moo to you all gentlemen Sep 12 13:27:55 moo Sep 12 14:16:45 is it good or bad that XZ is rounding off to the nearest hour? Sep 12 14:32:37 hi all, it is possible to get the very latest meego env (i.e. daily trunk builds) for n900's nowadays isn't it? One just has to be prepared and img from that daily trunk right? Sep 12 14:33:13 One just has to be prepared to build an img from that daily trunk right? Sep 12 14:34:42 yes Sep 12 14:35:16 some exceptions if we updated closed blobs (published weekly) but usually latest weeklys work Sep 12 14:36:39 Stskeeps: Is next week's likely to work; given last week's Qt problems? Sep 12 14:37:35 jaffa, we are very well along as of this sunday Sep 12 14:37:43 Stskeeps: Cool. Sep 12 14:37:58 if its in trunk yyet, im not sure Sep 12 14:38:06 we mostly dabble in acceptance images Sep 12 14:44:27 Thanks stskeeps, looking forward to trying this puppy out to see how it compared to PR1.2. Sep 12 14:44:47 'compares' Sep 12 14:46:21 Maltese Shitsu vs Aggressive Rottweiler Sep 12 14:46:43 That's what that puppy is going to compare like Sep 12 14:46:48 :P Sep 12 14:48:19 care to elaborate? Sep 12 14:50:14 I didn't think too far into the statement. But, PR1.2 is like an Aggressive Rottweiler, fast, does things, and will rip you apart like a rag doll. The Maltese Shitsu will sit there and yap and lay down and do nothing and is much slower than a Rottweiler. Sep 12 14:50:21 ali1234: ping Sep 12 14:51:08 Or rather, MeeGo just isn't ready yet on the N900. It's slow, and I don't think this is planned to be fixed for a little while (until patches are merged upstream and the kernel is used downstream in MeeGo) Sep 12 14:51:17 yikes that sound like a pretty damming assesment of meego Sep 12 14:51:28 ah i see Sep 12 14:51:38 But it will be enjoyable if your a geek, like myself :P Get my geek on Sep 12 14:52:11 Giggady giggady Sep 12 14:52:32 Is there ANY handset that makes meego flay? Sep 12 14:52:40 fly Sep 12 14:52:49 aside from the fact that its slow/buggy, do you notice a lot more features/functionality right away? Sep 12 14:52:57 lcuk: aava mobile ? ;) Sep 12 14:52:57 even if its uptime and battery life can be measured in minutes Sep 12 14:52:59 lcuk, Aava? Sep 12 14:53:13 vlj, I don't consider that fast Sep 12 14:53:24 lcuk, potentially the Snapdragon port would work fast, besides software rendering Sep 12 14:53:29 I have a rather high watermark Sep 12 14:53:42 lcuk, but the N900 could do it fast, with the right kernel Sep 12 14:55:10 Termana, what would a kernel do Sep 12 14:55:48 lcuk, DVFS (dynamic voltage frequency scaling) is missing in the current kernel Sep 12 14:55:57 ok i know why you optimize meego for atom cpus (cause the target devices have pretty much nothing else) but why restrict it so i cant run it in virtualization with some generic 32 bit cpu? Sep 12 14:55:59 vlj, for speed reference, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeVPddxHW84 Sep 12 14:56:21 lcuk, the theory is that the N900 is being locked at a low speed because of this Sep 12 14:56:36 cause i dont have an atom powered device but i wanna see how this stuff works even if i take a hit to performance due to non optimal cpu Sep 12 14:56:36 lcuk, integrating patches from omap-pm, or rebasing onto an omap-pm kernel would fix this Sep 12 14:57:17 in case i want to install it on say my moms netbook (currently ubuntu netbook edition) or some customers (prolly xp or 7) Sep 12 14:57:18 hmm Sep 12 14:57:54 Emanon: you can run it on any intel powered device Sep 12 14:58:08 that have ssse3 extension Sep 12 14:58:09 can meego handset run on high powered netbooks? Sep 12 14:58:14 cant run it on a kvm 32 bit virtual machine Sep 12 14:58:23 which is what i got Sep 12 14:58:34 what is your cpu Emanon ? Sep 12 14:58:42 phenom 64 x4 Sep 12 14:58:52 it's not an Intel cpu ;) Sep 12 14:58:56 i know Sep 12 14:59:00 thus my question Sep 12 14:59:16 why restrict it so it cant run on a generic virtualized cpu Sep 12 14:59:17 the answer is "Meego is an Intel powered project" Sep 12 14:59:24 thats stupid Sep 12 14:59:25 "buy our stuff" Sep 12 14:59:27 your stupid Sep 12 14:59:32 things like that Sep 12 14:59:32 fuck you you limp prick Sep 12 14:59:58 Well. That was certainly a guy and a half Sep 12 14:59:59 ahem vlj Sep 12 15:00:23 I purchased a 20" multitouch all in one computer/monitor after Meego announce Sep 12 15:00:28 with intention of running meego on it Sep 12 15:00:34 but, its the wrong intel :| Sep 12 15:00:42 which cpu ? Sep 12 15:00:43 so thats not fair assessment Sep 12 15:00:49 lcuk, they call that AMD Sep 12 15:00:52 the wrong intel Sep 12 15:00:55 :D Sep 12 15:00:56 :P Sep 12 15:01:06 I run meego on a core 2 Quad and on a Core i5 Sep 12 15:01:14 * Termana waits to hear hate-mail from AMD fans Sep 12 15:01:41 so you may have a very special intel cpu Sep 12 15:01:43 * microlith needs to install MeeGo on his aspire one for thursday Sep 12 15:01:45 err Sep 12 15:01:47 tuesday Sep 12 15:02:16 Termana: I think this is a bad policy for a project that aims at becoming an android counter Sep 12 15:02:56 sadly the ssse3 lock is hard to remove Sep 12 15:03:20 http://www.packardbell.co.uk/pb/en/GB/content/model/PW.U3502.034 Sep 12 15:03:21 vlj, I agree, I'm strongly opposed to the x86 variants not being generic. I was just making a joke :P Sep 12 15:03:29 # Processor & Chipset Sep 12 15:03:29 * Sep 12 15:03:29 » Processor Manufacturer: Intel® Sep 12 15:03:29 * Sep 12 15:03:29 » Processor Type: Pentium™ Dual Core™ processor Sep 12 15:03:30 * Sep 12 15:03:32 » Processor Model: T4400 Sep 12 15:03:34 ouch Sep 12 15:03:48 which has enough grunt to run the netbook model in software Sep 12 15:04:01 is modern enough to run windows 7 happily Sep 12 15:04:03 why does it not run ? Sep 12 15:04:10 but cannot by default be compatible with meego Sep 12 15:04:13 because its not atom Sep 12 15:04:21 I also don't care much for the x86 variants, just because I like more mobile devices better, but that's another story Sep 12 15:04:26 lcuk: does it supports ssse 3? Sep 12 15:04:53 it was released at the end of 2009... Sep 12 15:05:52 its strange Sep 12 15:06:17 idk there was something I couldnt do with it last time I looked Sep 12 15:06:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_microprocessors according to that, Meego should run on your desktop Sep 12 15:07:46 vgrade: ping Sep 12 15:07:57 its got gma graphics Sep 12 15:08:05 which is supported Sep 12 15:08:12 (its gma 4500 not gma 500) Sep 12 15:08:39 * lcuk regrabs latest image and tries again then :) Sep 12 15:09:08 so its only the 500 thats not usable? Sep 12 15:09:22 yep Sep 12 15:09:28 it's only gma 500 Sep 12 15:10:26 and very old intel chipset like i8xx ones Sep 12 15:10:33 yay for emanon, what a civil young lad :) Sep 12 15:10:58 ali1234: ping Sep 12 15:12:11 so termana: aside from the fact that its slow/buggy, do you notice a lot more features/functionality Vs PR1.2? Sep 12 15:13:26 jedlhl, a lot LESS features at the moment really. The last I tried (not the latest weekly, the one before IIRC), the terminal wouldn't even open. Sep 12 15:13:35 Phone / Data is still missing, to my knowledge Sep 12 15:14:05 Wifi works though Sep 12 15:14:20 is rpmbuild able to do cross-compile builds? Sep 12 15:14:23 eiiisshh, why bother with it then unless you're a dev, k thnx! Sep 12 15:14:38 jedlhl, Like I said, its not ready yet. It's still cooking. Sep 12 15:14:55 smoku: do you have a ssse3 less computer ? ;) Sep 12 15:15:12 jedlhl, if you looking for something that will be everyday useable, i'd look to the October release Sep 12 15:15:17 you're* Sep 12 15:15:26 See what happens then Sep 12 15:15:37 vlj, no. does that matter? Sep 12 15:15:47 err no I was just asking Sep 12 15:15:48 are they holding back on a lot of functionality to get speed/stability, any idea when that'll come onboard (roughly) so that more feature can be enabled. Sep 12 15:16:12 ah i see thnnx Sep 12 15:16:13 jedlhl, nothing is being held back, to my knowledge. Sep 12 15:16:14 smoku: try to run rpmbuild within qemu ? Sep 12 15:17:03 vlj, that's not what I asked. running under qemu is not cross-compile Sep 12 15:17:29 yup but rpmbuild should build for the arch it detects Sep 12 15:17:45 otherwise I have no idea Sep 12 15:17:52 except running a fake arm system Sep 12 15:18:24 I know I could build ARM packages on ARM architecture. I am asking whether rpmbuild is able to build ARM packages on x86 architecture. Sep 12 15:19:11 smoku, I like how you "stuck it to the man" in your Dell Streak picture :P Sep 12 15:19:32 Termana, don't follow Sep 12 15:19:35 smoku : if you have a gcc with cross compiling option you can "modify" gcc /usr/bin to link a gcc -arch arm Sep 12 15:20:04 http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Creating_a_cross_compiler smoku Sep 12 15:20:16 smoku, http://wiki.meego.com/File:Streak2.jpg did someone else add the blurb to the picture? :P Sep 12 15:21:20 vlj, I have CodeSourcery ARM EABI toolchain installed which builds ARM kernel just fine. I wonder whether I could build RPM packages similar way. Sep 12 15:21:44 Termana, no. it was me :D Sep 12 15:22:06 Termana, but i don't get "stuck it to the man" idiom Sep 12 15:22:08 smoku: do you have a "make" ? Sep 12 15:22:16 with your arm toolchain Sep 12 15:23:05 vlj, no. only compilers Sep 12 15:23:21 and binutils Sep 12 15:23:47 smoku: what happens if you do ln -s /path/to/buildsourcery/gcc /usr/bin/gcc ? Sep 12 15:23:59 (backup /usr/bin/gcc ofcourse) Sep 12 15:24:34 smoku, it's slang - the man is the government, large corporations or other authority figures. When you "stick it to them" it's about encouraging resistance to that entity (government, large corporation, authority figure etc.) Sep 12 15:25:27 Termana, ok. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stick%20it%20to%20the%20man helped ;-) Sep 12 15:26:01 Termana, I'm not very proud I had to do this. Sep 12 15:26:01 Well, urban dictionary definitions work too :P Sep 12 15:27:01 smoku, meh, they were in violation, it's their problem. Looks like they released the source now though for the kernel? Sep 12 15:27:20 vlj, with kernel build system I do not have to resort to breaking my system. ;-) make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- is enough Sep 12 15:27:43 I just wonder whether rpmbuild has similar feature Sep 12 15:28:06 it's not in the man smoku so I doubt it Sep 12 15:28:50 Termana, yup. but I'm not sure whether these are complete sources. so far nobody was able to boot Streak using Dell released sources Sep 12 15:29:39 smoku : you can however modify spec files Sep 12 15:30:05 maybe if you add some CROSS_COMPILE="..." after %make Sep 12 15:30:30 or Sep 12 15:30:35 http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/cross-compiler.html Sep 12 15:30:52 try make ARCH=armv7 CROSS-COMPILE='..' Sep 12 15:30:57 in spec file Sep 12 15:31:13 if it works you can add something in prjconf to automate the stuff in OBS Sep 12 15:31:36 I've got a .spec file somewhere that has different insturctions for x86, ppc and sparc Sep 12 15:31:53 vlj, I will try this. thanks for the hint :) Sep 12 15:32:37 smoku: use %if 's Sep 12 15:33:13 smoku : http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~hobbsk/kernel-compilation-tutorial-en/steps.html Sep 12 15:33:27 --target=armv7 should work with rpmbuild according to this site Sep 12 15:33:32 http://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/binutils.spec Sep 12 15:33:35 hope this helps a bit Sep 12 15:33:52 CosmoHill, looks like it. thanks :) Sep 12 15:34:12 by the way Sep 12 15:34:12 i wrote it many moons ago but my server hasn't crashed yet :) Sep 12 15:34:22 is there a armv9 arch in gcc ? Sep 12 15:38:17 smoku: rpmbuild --target=armv7 works Sep 12 15:39:04 vlj, baka me :/ Sep 12 15:39:40 i should go straight to rpmbuild --help ;-) instead of bugging you hee Sep 12 15:40:08 but it will perhaps use your gcc instead of code sourcery gcc Sep 12 15:41:23 there isn't a -march=armv9 yet Sep 12 15:41:32 but there is -mcpu=arm9 Sep 12 15:41:49 what's the difference? Sep 12 15:42:31 dunno Sep 12 15:42:45 as usual the gcc documentation makes little or no sense Sep 12 15:43:05 arm9 == cortex-a9 ? Sep 12 15:43:10 nonono Sep 12 15:43:11 wait Sep 12 15:43:20 there is -mcpu=cortex-a9 Sep 12 15:43:27 that would be it :) Sep 12 15:43:39 or a very misleading name Sep 12 15:43:48 oh yeah, gcc Sep 12 15:43:55 can't really trust logic Sep 12 15:44:13 could meego be compiled with ICC? Sep 12 15:44:29 why not ? Sep 12 15:44:32 arm9 has nothing to do with armv9 Sep 12 15:44:51 arm9 is actually armv5 Sep 12 15:44:52 you need rpmbuild to support icc ;) Sep 12 15:44:57 ali1234: hi Sep 12 15:45:01 I need your help Sep 12 15:45:02 arm11 is armv6 Sep 12 15:45:09 and cortex is armv7 Sep 12 15:45:12 CosmoHill, -march uses features specific to processor. -mcpu optimises for given processor but does not use features specific to one. Sep 12 15:45:23 ali1234: okay there is no way that could possibly confuse people Sep 12 15:45:29 except the cortexm1 which is armv6 Sep 12 15:46:03 ali1234: can you check if these rpms contains sse3 code ? http://download.obs.maemo.org/home:/vljn/MeeGo_1.0_Core/i686/ Sep 12 15:46:18 sure Sep 12 15:49:07 * CosmoHill wonders if running LZMA on a P3 would be considered cruel Sep 12 15:49:26 processors never suffer Sep 12 15:51:30 Liking Parallels 6 Sep 12 15:51:40 really nice performance when compiling right now Sep 12 15:51:51 vlj: http://pastebin.com/gjVP7qg9 Sep 12 15:51:51 ooo sweet Sep 12 15:51:56 (maybe sse 3 instructions are guarded) Sep 12 15:52:14 I have an email, hovered over the address and it gave me an option to view on a map Sep 12 15:52:36 ali1234: and it does not run without ssse 3 processor ? Sep 12 15:52:43 don't know Sep 12 15:52:53 is there a way to try ? Sep 12 15:52:58 Compared to parallels 5, my VM seems to run a lot closer to host performance, while at the same time not causing my system to freeze up Sep 12 15:53:18 vlj: qemu can hide ssse3 instructions from guest Sep 12 15:54:27 ali1234: you mean I can't test with qemu as it will "replace" ssse3 instructions ? Sep 12 15:54:35 no Sep 12 15:54:49 i mean qemu can hide ssse3 instructions from the guest Sep 12 15:55:27 err...how can I make it hide these instructions ? Sep 12 15:55:39 That's not exactly the way it works. Sep 12 15:56:54 vlj, disable kvm (-no-kvm I think) and use -cpu, making sure your emulating a cpu that has no SSSE3 instructions Sep 12 15:57:17 vlj: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Tuning_KVM Sep 12 15:57:34 thx Sep 12 15:58:06 don't disable kvm, that will just make it super slow Sep 12 15:58:22 by default kvm won't emulate ssse3, for compatibility Sep 12 15:58:33 ok Sep 12 15:58:36 rather, it won't make it visible to the guest Sep 12 15:58:43 there is no emulation involved here Sep 12 15:59:04 is there a way to know what is %{optflag} in meego ? Sep 12 16:01:03 ali1234: should I run a stock meego 1.0.1 image for that ? Sep 12 16:01:20 i don't know Sep 12 16:01:35 ali1234: where did your computer crash when running Meego image ? Sep 12 16:01:45 it never crashed Sep 12 16:01:55 ? Sep 12 16:02:02 but it fails somewhere ? Sep 12 16:02:48 i don't know where it fails Sep 12 16:02:52 nobody does Sep 12 16:03:00 unless they do Sep 12 16:03:09 I mean, you got a command line or ...? Sep 12 16:03:16 MISSING: 1 humping dog usb stick. last seen attached to the side of my laptop. Sep 12 16:03:25 hmm Sep 12 16:04:00 * CosmoHill blinks Sep 12 16:04:01 i got nothing Sep 12 16:04:25 is it in your trousers? Sep 12 16:04:27 i got a black screen with a flashing white cursor in the top left Sep 12 16:05:20 CosmoHill, no Sep 12 16:05:30 your other trousers? Sep 12 16:05:51 no i think i am going ot have to leave some food out for it Sep 12 16:06:06 wouldn't a soft toy work more Sep 12 16:06:23 you did say it was humping, not hungry Sep 12 16:06:42 lcuk: let's start the game! Sep 12 16:07:02 Who stole the stick from the usb port? CosmoHill stole the stick from the usb port! Sep 12 16:07:04 it looks like my ssh session is winking at me :o Sep 12 16:07:09 nate@blue[1043]:/mount/raid/clfs-builds $ time (lzma -v clfs-dev.tar ;) Sep 12 16:08:52 th0br0, that won't work, he will never admit to it Sep 12 16:08:56 :D Sep 12 16:10:17 and tracy said I cannot wipe the stuff on her other usb stick Sep 12 16:10:21 * lcuk rummages for others Sep 12 16:10:43 I mearly borrowed it for an extended period of time without the owners prior consent Sep 12 16:13:13 http://gillanmobi.blogspot.com/2010/08/all-phones-are-equal-just-some-are-more.html Sep 12 16:13:16 an interesting read Sep 12 16:13:30 plus I hope to be getting a computer off him this afternoon :D Sep 12 16:14:33 ok have a basic question, i have build meego-netbook-mtf-image using mic-image-creator and ks from perview ,with format=livecd burned it to usb and when i try to boot on my emachine netbook (n450 atom), it gives me the black screen of death, should i file a bug for this?? Sep 12 16:15:55 try init 3 Sep 12 16:16:06 ok Sep 12 16:16:06 also what graphics card do you have? Sep 12 16:17:13 CosmoHill, I think the big failure in this post is still thinking of these devices in terms of 'phone' Sep 12 16:17:38 that is a good point Sep 12 16:17:55 surely it can make calls. but there are cars with built-in GSM module. are these phones too? Sep 12 16:18:16 I will pick you up tommorow at 8 with my phone. Sep 12 16:18:33 :d Sep 12 16:18:52 that is a fairly interesting idea Sep 12 16:18:56 so instead of seeing it as a phone with lots of features Sep 12 16:19:08 it's rather a multimedia device with a phone as a feature Sep 12 16:19:11 smoku, yes, but if you think side talking a taco phone was bad, imagine trying it with a prius Sep 12 16:19:44 there are netbooks with built-in GSM module. but I haven't hear anyone to complain that they are too big to hold by the head to talk Sep 12 16:21:09 well only because it's impossible to make phone calls on laptop gsm modules Sep 12 16:21:23 i got intels pineview graphics card Sep 12 16:22:20 that should work Sep 12 16:24:22 ali1234, not supported != impossible ;-) Sep 12 16:24:55 impossible unless you can write your own radio rom for one of them Sep 12 16:25:09 and considering they are mostly MSM based, that seems unlikely Sep 12 16:26:54 a carphone is also pretty obviously not a smartphone Sep 12 16:27:22 but if that carphone included a touchdisplay + some good cpu ... :D Sep 12 16:27:34 then it still wouldn't be a smartphone Sep 12 16:27:59 what, however, if someone desined a carphone like a smartphone just with some cord connecting it to the car for antenna + power ? :D Sep 12 16:28:16 still nobody would buy it Sep 12 16:28:22 except for very rich people Sep 12 16:28:27 that's not the point here, is it? Sep 12 16:28:32 yeah it is Sep 12 16:28:50 it's a cool smartphone that carries you around, instead of you carry it around Sep 12 16:28:54 the point here is it is pointless trying to come up with names for things that nobody is ever going to buy, especially when names already exist Sep 12 16:28:55 I tohught the major point of the IVI was to get meego smarts into a car Sep 12 16:28:59 to allow this sort of stuff? Sep 12 16:29:16 yeah it's called IVI Sep 12 16:29:26 and yeah, nobody is going to buy it Sep 12 16:29:36 except for rich people with more money than sense Sep 12 16:29:37 not to retro fit Sep 12 16:29:49 but it will end up in manufacturer modesl Sep 12 16:29:59 if not, there is no point at all? Sep 12 16:30:08 models * Sep 12 16:30:09 ali1234: if it gets cheap enough, families with kids might be interested in it, too Sep 12 16:30:15 it will end up as an optional extra that nobody buys cos it adds 50% to the cost of the car Sep 12 16:30:22 and i, personally, think that it shouldn't be that expensive. Sep 12 16:31:13 but the thing is, why do you need a smartphone built in to your car when every member of your family is already carrying at least one smartphone, and some have two? Sep 12 16:31:21 mainproblem with aftermarked headrest computers (or any carputer) Sep 12 16:31:25 is wiring the damn things in for power Sep 12 16:31:43 would be nice to have a proper display for that smartphone anyway... remote display to it (or standard cradle) would be nice Sep 12 16:32:16 the kind of people who are rich enough and savvy enough to actually want something like this, don't need it because they already have more tech than they need Sep 12 16:32:30 but hey, this is just idle speciulation Sep 12 16:32:34 we'll find out soon enough Sep 12 16:32:41 * CosmoHill has a tape player and an FM radio that kinda works Sep 12 16:32:59 I still have a lsot usb stick Sep 12 16:33:01 lost Sep 12 16:33:14 * lcuk needs new fingers Sep 12 16:33:24 ali1234: maybe IVI is just for gps Sep 12 16:33:39 its for webbrowsing on the move Sep 12 16:33:45 whilst you are cruising Sep 12 16:33:54 didn't you see the video! Sep 12 16:33:59 on your big space cruise ship! Sep 12 16:34:03 I mean, instead of having a poor interface for gps, why not having a device that can play music, handle gps, things like that ? Sep 12 16:34:26 but I won't bet too much on the ivi declinaison for sure Sep 12 16:34:28 vlj, actually more difficult than you think Sep 12 16:34:37 real world clickers and buttons on a car are vital Sep 12 16:34:42 you can operate without looking Sep 12 16:34:45 regardless, smartphone was well defined when the iphone came out: you can install apps, it has either keyboard or touchscreen, it can make phone calls, and it fits in your pocket Sep 12 16:34:55 transfering that to a touch screen is a bit hmmmish Sep 12 16:35:06 I wonder why the tablet ux is not coming Sep 12 16:35:18 after being given a ride in a prius the other week, yeah, touch screens and cars are not the best mix ;) Sep 12 16:35:22 * lcuk had a tablet ux in 2009 :P Sep 12 16:35:35 I mean the official meego tablet ux Sep 12 16:35:37 windows xp tablet edition ftw Sep 12 16:35:46 it's deeply hidden in some nokia/intel labs Sep 12 16:35:52 * CosmoHill is joking Sep 12 16:36:08 CosmoHill, just making the X bigger does not make the UX better :P Sep 12 16:36:10 CosmoHill: Good, i was about to get out my bitch-slapping implements ;D Sep 12 16:36:21 still having to reach to top right to close a window on a tablet is fail Sep 12 16:36:42 same goes for other things ;) Sep 12 16:37:39 I hope that the future N9 won't be blocked as motorola droid x Sep 12 16:38:08 My guess is it'll be as locked as the N900... meaning roughly not at all ;) Sep 12 16:38:59 because N97, N8... are Sep 12 16:39:07 you can't install what you want on these devices Sep 12 16:39:17 vlj: you're comparing with the wrong devices ;) Sep 12 16:39:26 well they are smartphone Sep 12 16:39:39 they compete against android stuff Sep 12 16:39:52 You should be comparing with the Maemo based N900 and how that works, as opposed to the Symbian based devices :) Sep 12 16:40:03 i fail to see why they should be competitors in the first place Sep 12 16:40:03 not only that but they are real products, unlike the n900 and all the other nits which are basically prototypes you can buy Sep 12 16:40:09 if meego is built right, it will run on all of them Sep 12 16:40:29 so more devices out there, more potential installation candidates Sep 12 16:40:31 leinir: if it's anything what they were projecting for maemo 6, it's locked or open on ones' choosing, but some things might be done only on closed version Sep 12 16:40:46 lcuk aftermarket installs do not make nokia any money Sep 12 16:41:00 meego is not a nokia initiative. Sep 12 16:41:19 further more you won't legally be able to copy the nokia closed components from their meego phones Sep 12 16:41:29 if the community wants to make it run on things, it will eventually do so Sep 12 16:41:36 and if you think there won't be any closed bits on nokia's meego phone, you're insane Sep 12 16:42:08 well nokia closed bits are maybe not nokia's ones Sep 12 16:42:20 :) Sep 12 16:42:30 some clarity in transfer of features from maemo 6 to meego/harmattan would be welcome... well, maybe in couple days Sep 12 16:42:34 with nexus one you have almost any components : gpu drivers, kernel sources... Sep 12 16:42:43 you can install debian on it if you want Sep 12 16:43:07 and people don't have to hack their device to get root access Sep 12 16:43:17 that's basically like a computer with windows on it Sep 12 16:43:46 you can install linux if you want, you're not tied with Microsoft or PC manufacturer Sep 12 16:43:52 it would be nice to have the same for smartphone too Sep 12 16:45:47 what a shame that you have to find some hack to get root access on android Sep 12 16:46:44 what a shame that once you have root access your linux application takes immense work to run on the ui Sep 12 16:46:51 vlj: they can install debian, yes, but get no graphics as there's no X driver for the chipset Sep 12 16:47:11 or like lcuk said Sep 12 16:48:43 Stskeeps: 14 packages ftbfs on armelv7 Sep 12 16:48:48 microlith, which chipset? Sep 12 16:49:05 the baseline meego will be to the meego on a real device what debian is to maemo 5 Sep 12 16:49:27 smoku: qualcomm's graphics chip, I don't know of any X drivers for it, only Android. Sep 12 16:50:28 microlith, check CodeAurora MSM/QSD Linux Enablement project - they have X.Org drivers for Quallcom chip Sep 12 16:51:12 I see the hits in google, but their site seems to be down Sep 12 16:51:40 yes. it's down for a few hours. (that's why I couldn't give direct link) Sep 12 16:51:50 interesting Sep 12 16:51:57 does it have any official support, or is it all reverse engineering? Sep 12 16:52:02 HTC-Linux.org is using this driver to run full Ubuntu on HTC HD2 Sep 12 16:52:08 my twitter ponderment about innovation brought a curious response Sep 12 16:52:14 codeaurora only had driver for MSM and not QSD last time we had this conversation Sep 12 16:52:25 CodeAurora is a forum which funding member is... Qualcomm Sep 12 16:52:30 RT @cscoobing How about a self straining tea bag? Programmed to brew for so long then screw itself into a ball and drop over the cup into the saucer. Sep 12 16:52:51 ali1234: I'm not up on the differences there Sep 12 16:52:52 RT @cscoobing We could try tea bags made from heat sensitive redacting long chain molecules. It's getting the timing right that's the tricky bit. Sep 12 16:53:35 microlith: msm is their old chipset in things like htc kaiser and g1, qsd is the brand new chipset in things like dell streak Sep 12 16:53:36 ahh, different chipset lines Sep 12 16:53:44 yeah I thought that was the case Sep 12 16:54:08 also i'm pretty sure ubuntu on hd2 is using framebuffer X due to no working 3d driver Sep 12 16:54:33 but i would have to check that to be sure Sep 12 16:54:59 whats the best use of 3d in a UI? Sep 12 16:55:10 not that it matters: framebuffer is perfectly fine for any OS that isn't filled with fancy 3d effects for no reason Sep 12 16:56:01 best use of hardware 3D is to accelerate 2D rendering :) Sep 12 16:56:03 lcuk: i have only ever seen one use of 3d that is actually good, and that is desktop zooming in compiz, which stole it from OS X Sep 12 16:56:28 the only other thing it gets used for is pointless and slow transition effects Sep 12 16:57:16 ali1234, you mean like maemo and liqbase for that matter has? Sep 12 16:57:34 ali1234, stealing removes things. this was merely copied ;P Sep 12 16:57:35 meego netbook ux is using opengl Sep 12 16:57:52 android ux too I think Sep 12 16:58:13 * lcuk wants to think outside the box Sep 12 16:58:15 literally Sep 12 16:58:25 do any current mobile chipsets even support 2D drawing acceleration? Sep 12 16:58:36 lcuk, the best use of 3D in UI is 2D ;-) mainly hardware accelerated alpha blending. Sep 12 16:58:40 vlj_: uh no Sep 12 16:58:47 indeed smoku Sep 12 16:58:48 android doesn't use opengl for ui unfortunately Sep 12 16:58:53 microlith: if only there was a mobile api ;) Sep 12 16:58:54 but even that has problems Sep 12 16:58:57 you sure ? Sep 12 16:58:59 i think so Sep 12 16:59:05 i know that they wanted to do it initially Sep 12 16:59:18 the fade in fade out effect are ...fluid ? Sep 12 16:59:18 vlj_: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914 Sep 12 16:59:30 * microlith sets up ubuntu + meego SDKs on his macbook Sep 12 16:59:39 the point is that for most people OpenGL == 3D, which in fact OpenGL consist of fairly large set of 2D operations. Sep 12 17:00:26 vlj_: but yeah, they did a great job at all the calculation / response stuff ... performance wise Sep 12 17:01:45 smoku: in fact opengl is rather a 3D api, but the lack of standard 2D api make it a de facto standard for 2D operations Sep 12 17:03:46 2D is a special case of 3D anyway Sep 12 17:08:52 ali1234: qemu does work with Meego Sep 12 17:09:05 i can log to init 3 without issue Sep 12 17:23:07 how can I enable net connexion in meego from qemu ? Sep 12 17:25:23 done Sep 12 17:25:29 * thiago_home uploads his votes to the meego conf Sep 12 17:25:39 it's a very freeing feeling when it's done :P Sep 12 17:25:52 yeah Sep 12 17:26:01 now I have 3 demos to write for my Tuesday presentation Sep 12 17:26:57 thiago_home, you @london? Sep 12 17:27:00 yep Sep 12 17:27:58 oo Sep 12 17:28:26 lcuk: you? Sep 12 17:32:01 what's this about london? Sep 12 17:33:27 found it Sep 12 17:34:30 thiago_home, no, communication issue with collabora admins meant my request wasnt processed. Sep 12 17:34:58 london? Sep 12 17:35:10 lbt nokiaworld Sep 12 17:35:17 ah... Sep 12 17:35:17 and the nokiadevelopers doofer Sep 12 17:35:20 shiny Sep 12 17:36:04 lbt: http://events.nokia.com/developersummit2010 Sep 12 17:36:19 * Mat_Matan now playing real electro : www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh-vk0DaERE Sep 12 17:36:20 lcuk the zooming in maemo is not much like the zooming in compiz Sep 12 17:37:01 * CosmoHill finds a pic of thiago Sep 12 17:37:15 ali1234, show me a vid of what you mean then plz Sep 12 17:37:48 ali1234: Meego runs on my qemu-kvm -cpu athlon ... Sep 12 17:37:59 lcuk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2b4eyBp4oQ Sep 12 17:39:33 if you put "init 3" at the end of boot option it should run on your hardware ali1234 Sep 12 17:39:50 I would like a "test case" where non ssse3 cpu fails to run Sep 12 17:45:04 Sep 12 17:45:13 seems windows 7 has desktop zooming too Sep 12 17:47:22 windows 95 had it too Sep 12 17:47:38 no, windows 95 had that crap magnifier app Sep 12 17:47:45 like people needed to zoom on 800x600 Sep 12 17:47:47 but windows 3.1 had that Sep 12 17:48:30 CosmoHill, sure Sep 12 17:48:32 some folks do Sep 12 17:49:02 anyway, doing it at the compositor level means it works with all applications (not just mozilla) and means that you can seamlessly zoom in and out without having to load up another program first (like on windows 95) Sep 12 17:49:08 so there is an actual benefit here Sep 12 17:49:28 it's the only example though Sep 12 17:50:02 it's not even very useful on a phone, where everything has to be huge anyway because it is a touch interface Sep 12 17:50:49 BTW, was compiz considered for MeeGo? Sep 12 17:50:57 i doubt it Sep 12 17:51:10 well, maybe netbook :) Sep 12 18:02:08 HellOlAloHallOhayo.. I HI.. Sep 12 18:04:12 hi Sep 12 18:04:25 lol compiz Sep 12 18:04:35 it's so unnecessary Sep 12 18:09:21 compiz for meego was never an option Sep 12 18:09:42 isn't compiz kinda heavy for a netbook? Sep 12 18:10:12 back then, we're talking moblin 2.0 timeframe Sep 12 18:10:25 there were only 2 integrated desktops with compositing support really Sep 12 18:10:28 xfce4, and gnome Sep 12 18:10:36 gnome was way too heavy for our purposes Sep 12 18:10:52 so, me and arjan did a prototype 5 second boot with xfce4 Sep 12 18:10:56 I made a distro with xfce once :) Sep 12 18:11:21 I still work on the xfce4 project... and use it daily Sep 12 18:11:26 was this meantioned on Phornix as it rings a bell? Sep 12 18:11:37 I'm the current resident xfce4 server admin/bofh Sep 12 18:11:47 prolly Sep 12 18:12:38 sofar: http://bluesquarelinux.co.uk/2007/11/xfce-build-11/ Sep 12 18:12:50 http://lwn.net/Articles/299483/ Sep 12 18:12:53 we have differnerent standards, you want it to boot within 5 seconds Sep 12 18:12:58 and I just want it to boot Sep 12 18:13:53 compiz itself would annihilate a 5 second boot on an eee901 Sep 12 18:13:57 due to the slow ssd Sep 12 18:14:07 I think we had a readahead footprint of just 45MB Sep 12 18:14:16 nowadays, meego netbook pulls in 124mb Sep 12 18:27:02 any drupal experts around? Sep 12 18:27:21 I dd'd the 1.0.90.1.20100907.1 release onto a microSD card and put it in my N900, and I flashed the kernel with the image from the same release. When I try to boot, it tries to mount the emmc as the root partition using ext2, ext3, and cramfs, and then gives up. I can mount the microSD card on a laptop and I see all the contents I'd expect there. Any clues as to what I'm doing wrong here? Sep 12 18:27:26 I need to just identify some quick performance tweaks Sep 12 18:29:48 marnanel`: make sure to put the back on the n900 or it wont work Sep 12 18:31:03 ali1234: ha, silly me. Thank you. Sep 12 18:34:10 sofar: good read Sep 12 18:37:13 we should really put a warning in kernel "if you see this message, check your back cover.." Sep 12 18:37:17 ;) Sep 12 18:37:34 or you could... disable the cover check Sep 12 18:37:41 then it would work even with the cover removed :) Sep 12 18:38:02 hey Stskeeps have you seen SHR running on n900? Sep 12 18:38:12 (the open embedded OS) Sep 12 18:38:40 no, but if it's anything like what openmoko had, i prefer not to throw my n900 out the window in direct anger Sep 12 18:38:43 :P Sep 12 18:39:04 judging from the screen shots it looks more like GPE meets android Sep 12 18:39:05 well the vid certainly looks good Sep 12 18:39:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI its fast and got compatability with existing app Sep 12 18:39:29 s Sep 12 18:39:35 the guy shows numpty physics :D Sep 12 18:39:47 * b-man` is jumping with excitement Sep 12 18:39:51 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=813965#post813965 !!!!!!!!! Sep 12 18:40:33 i lol @ post 2 Sep 12 18:40:44 didn't they even read the text they are quoting? Sep 12 18:41:19 i'm not surprised. it's tmo :) Sep 12 18:43:47 hmm actually i think they added the quote later and "nwm" is typo for "nvm" Sep 12 18:46:34 * b-man` isn't going to be the first to test it though xD Sep 12 18:47:04 i learned the hard way not to mess with the bootloader with my N800 Sep 12 18:47:24 b-man`: it's non destructive Sep 12 18:47:28 b-man`: you flash it as a kernel Sep 12 18:47:36 nolo still runs and then loads it Sep 12 18:47:42 hmmm Sep 12 18:48:07 * b-man` may test it :) Sep 12 18:49:04 on n800 there's no port yet though Sep 12 18:49:29 has this been verified to run? Sep 12 18:49:38 the n900 one? Sep 12 18:49:42 yeah Sep 12 18:49:58 yes.. Sep 12 18:49:59 P Sep 12 18:50:01 :P Sep 12 18:50:28 * b-man` tests it Sep 12 18:50:48 * b-man` hopes his N900 doesn't blow up in his face Sep 12 18:52:51 is the new replacement kernel compatible with fcam? Sep 12 19:00:29 hmm Sep 12 19:00:57 it would be interesting to enable u-boot's bootmenu Sep 12 19:00:58 b-man`: i hope you're not using those bins on my site Sep 12 19:01:04 nope Sep 12 19:01:09 u-boot's bootmenu? Sep 12 19:01:18 just press a key to interrupt boot, you now have full console :) Sep 12 19:01:32 ah, ty :) Sep 12 19:02:05 can we do stuff like typing sd1 or something? Sep 12 19:02:13 (how much of keyboard is functional?) Sep 12 19:02:23 the keyboard is 100% functional Sep 12 19:02:27 even fn? Sep 12 19:02:29 yes Sep 12 19:02:31 oh, cool Sep 12 19:02:35 even shift, even though it has no purpose Sep 12 19:02:54 there's aliases right? Sep 12 19:03:32 aliases? Sep 12 19:03:38 you mean like, you can define commands? Sep 12 19:03:40 yeah Sep 12 19:03:42 if so, yes Sep 12 19:03:47 i'm pondering if we can add stuff like int1 ext1,2,3 for a simple enough bootmenu Sep 12 19:04:00 so it looks for ext2 for second partition uimage Sep 12 19:04:05 set an environment variable to something like "cmd1; cmd2; cmd3" Sep 12 19:04:14 :nod: Sep 12 19:04:16 then "run " Sep 12 19:06:34 hmm Sep 12 19:06:46 we didn't get internal mmc working did we? Sep 12 19:07:00 i never tried it Sep 12 19:07:28 btw, do you do watchdogs? Sep 12 19:07:39 i'm not sure about that either Sep 12 19:07:44 u-boot claims to handle them Sep 12 19:07:57 i'm not sure if it handles all of them though Sep 12 19:08:00 you're in r&d mode? Sep 12 19:08:03 usually, yes Sep 12 19:08:08 k Sep 12 19:08:25 it's easy enough to test that one though :) Sep 12 19:11:31 all 'initial' uboot env come from source i guess? Sep 12 19:11:37 yes all built in Sep 12 19:11:51 and because it can't write to onenand, you can't edit it without editing source Sep 12 19:12:03 however, you can source scripts from sd card, if they exist Sep 12 19:12:21 :nod: Sep 12 19:12:44 i presume the button press stops autoloading scripts too? Sep 12 19:12:49 yes Sep 12 19:12:52 well Sep 12 19:13:05 the autoloading script is the only thing it stops :) Sep 12 19:13:31 CONFIG_BOOTCOMMAND to be specific Sep 12 19:14:11 you can put some script into CONFIG_PREBOOT and they run before the countdown (and therefore cannot be stopped) Sep 12 19:14:44 why is it uboot can't load a zimage btw? Sep 12 19:14:50 well it can Sep 12 19:15:12 oh? Sep 12 19:15:29 basically the answer is "because u-boot authors thought uImage was better) Sep 12 19:15:46 heh Sep 12 19:15:54 so, I flashed the meego kernel instead of just loading it. and I wanted to flash another kernel, but there's no moment when I turn on when the flasher notices there's a device on the USB connection. Do I have to cold flash now? Sep 12 19:16:03 there was a long mailing list thread about it Sep 12 19:16:33 there is no reason why u-boot can't load zImage, other than the code to do it doesn't exist - it would be trivial to add it though Sep 12 19:17:19 eg http://www.mail-archive.com/u-boot@lists.denx.de/msg37682.html Sep 12 19:17:31 in fact, u-boot likes to have all it's files wrapped in that uImage format Sep 12 19:17:35 ali1234: stupid question, but how do you apply padding to u-boot.bin exactly? :) Sep 12 19:17:39 * b-man` is kinda new to u-boot Sep 12 19:17:45 scripts too. you can't load them from a text file, you have to run them through mkimage first Sep 12 19:17:56 b-man`: i have a python script to do it Sep 12 19:18:00 ah Sep 12 19:18:20 http://pastebin.com/Ev9wMP4T Sep 12 19:18:23 ali1234: ok, so for images it's probably just best to add a uimage.. Sep 12 19:20:03 ali1234, thanks Sep 12 19:20:06 yeah. uImage is not so bad anyway Sep 12 19:36:56 * b-man` sees a lot of "switch -mcpu=cortex-a8 conflicts with -march= switch, assuming CPU feature set" warnings :S Sep 12 19:37:40 probably not a big deal Sep 12 19:38:24 if warnings were an issue then people wouldn't even use GCC :) Sep 12 19:38:48 what compiler are you using? Sep 12 19:39:19 maemo sdk's gcc Sep 12 19:39:43 fremantle arm target Sep 12 19:40:05 i used code sourcery :) Sep 12 19:40:38 make sure the scratchbox config isn't putting weird stuff into CFLAGS Sep 12 19:42:18 ali1234, here's my gcc info: http://xceleo.pastebin.com/dBmFyWbP Sep 12 19:43:06 doesn't mean a lot to me... Sep 12 19:43:13 check environment too... Sep 12 19:44:09 4.2.1? Sep 12 19:46:11 looking at the maemo quake changelog ( http://maemo.org/packages/view/ioquake3/ ) Sep 12 19:46:28 * NOKIA: Enabled more aggressive optimization flags: -ffast-math -march=armv7-a -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon Sep 12 19:46:35 What does it mean if I've booted into MeeGo and the N900's yellow LED turns on, not flashing, and the screen goes black? It was running the MeeGo UX for about twenty seconds, and now it does this whenever I boot into it again. Sep 12 19:46:44 uses the same thing afaik Sep 12 19:47:23 swc|666: curiously enough, the ubuntu netbook remix doesn't kill the fan like the meego image Sep 12 19:47:24 marnanel`: probably hitting our unreliable charging bug Sep 12 19:47:26 * rtyler boggles Sep 12 19:47:50 Stskeeps: Oh dear. Do you know where I can read up about that? Sep 12 19:48:04 rtyler, probably an acpi issue Sep 12 19:48:10 * rtyler nogs Sep 12 19:48:13 * rtyler nods too Sep 12 19:48:30 I guess I'll have to suck it up and use ubuntu Sep 12 19:48:31 rtyler, see if you can get a recent lm_sensors on there maybe Sep 12 19:48:32 * rtyler weeps Sep 12 19:48:34 ali1234: yeah, march is trying to use '-march=armv5' Sep 12 19:48:51 I wish there were builds for non-SSE3 machines Sep 12 19:49:06 b-man`: just unset any environment stuff, or compile from outside scratchbox Sep 12 19:49:29 marnanel`: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6091 Sep 12 19:49:36 Stskeeps: lovely, thanks Sep 12 19:50:34 marnanel`: i'd recommend booting into normal maemo Sep 12 19:51:30 Stskeeps, what is "SR 7361 and 7362"? Sep 12 19:51:35 Stskeeps: and charging it that way? Sep 12 19:51:41 in the context of that fixed bug Sep 12 19:51:55 lcuk: search meego-commits archive for 7361 and 7362 Sep 12 19:52:04 (submitrequest) Sep 12 19:53:46 (feel free to add to the meego glossary on wiki) Sep 12 19:54:00 * marnanel` makes sure the battery is charging and then goes to make a cup of tea Sep 12 19:57:24 Stskeeps, is there a database of the actual submit requests somewhere? Sep 12 19:57:49 if so, is it held on the meego servers? and will it one day get a public interface to browse/view Sep 12 19:58:22 because whilst the mail interface is cool to exist, if theres a database or front end to gather all info for one request it will be better Sep 12 19:58:47 lcuk: that might come once BOSS is installed. Sep 12 19:59:44 cool Sep 12 19:59:57 i am on the glossary atm Sep 12 20:02:58 http://wiki.meego.com/Glossary#S Sep 12 20:03:05 done, thanks for info Stskeeps Sep 12 20:05:35 good night Sep 12 20:19:56 any debian packagers about? Sep 12 20:20:22 I could do with this: http://www.heiho.net/synctool/ being packaged up Sep 12 20:21:40 lbt the contrib folder has a debian package? Sep 12 20:21:44 is that not for the whole thing? Sep 12 20:22:00 synctool (4.6-1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low Sep 12 20:22:00 * Initial debian release Sep 12 20:22:00 -- Dennis Stam Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:59:39 +0200 Sep 12 20:22:10 ooh Sep 12 20:22:24 I looked in apt and read all the docs Sep 12 20:22:37 :) winzip opens and shows all files! Sep 12 20:22:46 i have gotten used to seeing folder trees easier ;) Sep 12 20:23:01 heh.... I've not even dl'ed it yet ;) Sep 12 20:23:15 so how come you know you need it :P Sep 12 20:23:19 I read the docs Sep 12 20:23:36 it's what I was about to write Sep 12 20:23:47 ++ Sep 12 20:23:47 rsync managed overlays Sep 12 20:23:57 with git on the master... Sep 12 20:23:58 nice Sep 12 20:24:05 sorta what we discussed a while ago? Sep 12 20:24:30 mmmm - don't remember... this is cluster admin stuff Sep 12 20:24:39 concept may be the saem Sep 12 20:25:05 yeah, it was wrt the heavy duty work having to rebuild from scratch for each build Sep 12 20:26:04 * lbt vaguely recalls Sep 12 20:26:09 anyway glad you dont have to start from total scratch with this debian package! Sep 12 20:27:52 lbt, technically synctool could "synctool copies * files to groups of machines in your home cluster " ;) Sep 12 20:29:25 Oooh, sounds like it could be useful for end-user files who use one machine at a time; but it could be desktop or laptop. Sep 12 20:29:54 Jaffa: nah Sep 12 20:30:02 I'm still looking for that one though Sep 12 20:30:13 Doh :( Sep 12 20:30:19 I have "sync -to-laptop" and "sync -from-laptop" Sep 12 20:30:31 * Jaffa 's best thought to date is some kind of automated unison with latest conflict revision. Sep 12 20:30:48 But not yet decided if it's better to use Firefox Sync or just do all of $HOME Sep 12 20:30:56 g/me has a defined need and usecase specifically for all this syncing and know it will require a cloud machine to operate properly Sep 12 20:30:59 actually ... dropbox would work Sep 12 20:31:06 but I'm not using it :) Sep 12 20:31:26 I want http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox Sep 12 20:31:28 * Jaffa has a couple of machines on the cloud, so that's not a problem. Including NFS for the home wired desktop to one of them hosted here Sep 12 20:31:46 Jaffa, problem is Sep 12 20:31:48 you may have Sep 12 20:31:52 i have Sep 12 20:31:53 lbt does Sep 12 20:31:58 but most people dont Sep 12 20:31:59 * lbt has ADSL down to 1.4 Mb/s atm :( Sep 12 20:32:24 synctool sounds a bit like puppet Sep 12 20:32:30 not that i ever used either of them Sep 12 20:32:39 ah, lcuk that ^^ link plus a couple of others about providing services from home Sep 12 20:32:50 ali1234: yeah... I use puppet... that's why I'm looking ;) Sep 12 20:32:55 previously, when I had the "cannot open root device" problem during booting MeeGo on the N900, someone told me to boot with the back cover on, so I did, and it worked. But now I get that problem all the time, even with the back cover on. Is there another thing I should be checking? Sep 12 20:32:56 lbt, i have zapto.org :) Sep 12 20:33:00 i have had it for ages Sep 12 20:33:16 it requires configuration thats beyond many home users Sep 12 20:33:17 ali1234: FAQ 2: http://www.heiho.net/synctool/FAQ.txt Sep 12 20:33:23 which is where the paradigm breaks down Sep 12 20:33:35 if you want something usable by all+sundry Sep 12 20:33:46 lcuk: that's why dropbox works ... it's 100% duh-compatible. Sep 12 20:34:01 i was thinking intelligent people actually ;) Sep 12 20:34:29 well i must say that puppet seemed like overkill for what it does Sep 12 20:34:30 lbt Sep 12 20:34:35 ovi is getting close Sep 12 20:34:41 to being an all in one approach Sep 12 20:34:52 something that can be configured on day 1 Sep 12 20:35:00 yeah.... but I'm sorry, I don't want my data on a cloud machine Sep 12 20:35:04 and useful throughout the lifecycle of your entire house Sep 12 20:35:13 understood Sep 12 20:35:20 but look @ facebook Sep 12 20:35:23 #prime example Sep 12 20:35:58 lbt, also in some regards cloud gives something home only doesnt Sep 12 20:36:01 offsite backup! Sep 12 20:36:16 * lcuk syncs sketches across multiple machines now Sep 12 20:36:18 I don't have a problem with cloud... Sep 12 20:36:20 but that should work for everything Sep 12 20:36:34 I have a problem with data-ownership and control Sep 12 20:36:54 I'd use ovi in a flash if I could migrate 100% to google and they'd erase my data Sep 12 20:36:59 and vice-versa Sep 12 20:37:03 but they won't Sep 12 20:37:38 once my photos,emails go to google/ovi/yahoo.. they never relinquish them... ever. Sep 12 20:37:59 so Sep 12 20:38:06 how would you document an open cloud Sep 12 20:38:10 err not document Sep 12 20:38:14 advertise etc Sep 12 20:38:50 would you pay for that? Sep 12 20:38:52 http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/08/15/2140209/Eben-Moglen-Calls-To-Free-the-Cloud Sep 12 20:39:18 would it be worth a company setting up to actively allow you to have your freedom for a monthly fee Sep 12 20:39:45 (and no, I don't think those 2 elements conflict) Sep 12 20:39:53 *nod*... I don't have an answer Sep 12 20:39:56 um why is that even necessary? Sep 12 20:39:56 gbg:D Sep 12 20:40:19 i mean they already exist, it's called a hosting provider Sep 12 20:40:22 ali1234, well without it why has anyone got incentive for you to just squat on their servers? Sep 12 20:40:27 sure ali Sep 12 20:40:36 but setting that up is a not so trivial process Sep 12 20:41:06 sure, but so what? nobody ever said freedom would be easy Sep 12 20:42:05 of course, thats where the paid service comes into it :) Sep 12 20:42:17 but even then it already exists Sep 12 20:42:19 its just fodder anyway Sep 12 20:42:38 someone was talking about one the other day Sep 12 20:42:41 sure, can I buy freedome from google or microsoft or yahoo or even facebook? Sep 12 20:42:46 -e Sep 12 20:42:46 serive like dropbox, except it is encrypted Sep 12 20:42:56 no, they're not selling it Sep 12 20:43:30 :) Sep 12 20:43:36 https://spideroak.com/ Sep 12 20:44:15 http://ifolder.com/ifolder Sep 12 20:44:24 GPL2 Sep 12 20:44:29 all of it Sep 12 20:44:45 yes, there are loads of such softwares Sep 12 20:45:02 not loads... Sep 12 20:45:15 well, not GPL Sep 12 20:45:29 there is one that isn't quite so... maccy Sep 12 20:45:53 sadly: "iFolder is written in C# and runs on the Mono .NET platform" Sep 12 20:46:12 so I'm not bothering to learn yet-another-language just yet Sep 12 20:47:00 http://www.sparkleshare.org/ Sep 12 20:47:16 lbt: And writing your own client in a real programming language is notan option? Sep 12 20:47:40 RST38h: no... too busy being a slave to MeeGo ;) Sep 12 20:48:09 unfortunately looks like sparkleshare is also written in mono :( Sep 12 20:48:22 mono is fun! Sep 12 20:48:25 spread the word :D Sep 12 20:48:40 * lcuk scratches Sep 12 20:48:45 yes, I saw that one too... it needs more work and mono's a "can't be bothered" Sep 12 20:48:54 lbt: It takes human slaves? I thought humans were more of a dietary supplement... Sep 12 20:49:22 RST38h: no... it chains them too Sep 12 20:49:22 Just use google docs or something... Sep 12 20:49:26 argh Sep 12 20:51:58 lcuk: Who said I wanted a solution for Aunt Bessie? I want a solution for *me* ;-p Sep 12 20:52:16 They're discussing ARM and the future of computing on BBC Radio 4 right now. Sep 12 20:52:21 Only just turned it on Sep 12 20:52:29 (to check volume of alarm) Sep 12 20:52:38 Jaffa, sure, you do Sep 12 20:52:52 but if us, the clever ones, can come up wit ha solution for all Sep 12 20:52:56 then we all benefit Sep 12 20:53:07 * lbt wonders how meeo should recruit admins for services Sep 12 20:53:12 or we go crazy trying to make a one size fits all solution Sep 12 20:53:19 lbt, cat bells Sep 12 20:53:22 gets lots of meeos Sep 12 20:53:29 lcuk: There're plenty of Linux users with desktops and laptops who want to stay in sync. Sep 12 20:53:36 * lbt throws his 'g' key at lcuk Sep 12 20:53:37 indeed jaffa Sep 12 20:53:42 but i want family oriented services Sep 12 20:53:49 so that everyones devices are covered Sep 12 20:53:52 * Jaffa 's family is using Ubuntu laptops Sep 12 20:53:54 Jaffa: but rsync does it so well... Sep 12 20:54:12 Jaffa, when luke updates his contacts using hermes for x60 Sep 12 20:54:13 goddam ... we just need a pyQt interface to rsync Sep 12 20:54:14 s60 Sep 12 20:54:23 from his facebook people Sep 12 20:54:24 etc Sep 12 20:54:32 not that you'll be allowed to run it on a MeeGo device.... Sep 12 20:54:36 lbt: ...ish. I've not tried it for (almost) all of $HOME Sep 12 20:54:37 * lcuk wants it mostly for the family pinboard Sep 12 20:55:17 Jaffa: I actually have a small $HOME and sync selective bits of /everything Sep 12 20:55:38 lbt: No, you'll (maybe) be allowed to run it on a(n open) MeeGo device, but you won't be able to call it "MeeGo compatible" ;-/ Sep 12 20:56:00 I'm not done with that yet Sep 12 20:56:19 lbt: interesting. I need to read up on Network Manager (eugh) et al to make sure it works on (certain) network connection establishmentism Sep 12 20:56:24 We want MeeGo 'surrounds' ;).... to be part of the compliance Sep 12 20:56:40 lbt: Indeed. Something that qgil seems to be pushing for. Sep 12 20:56:55 lbt: Although there are lots of references in the thread to MeeGo Extras without any definition (AFAIK) about what it is. Sep 12 20:57:00 yeah... I've been too busy setting the damn thing up to discuss it Sep 12 20:57:17 yeah... it's misunderstood ... but in an OK way Sep 12 20:57:45 damn obs Sep 12 20:57:55 hard to layout the projects in a way that dependencies will be met Sep 12 20:58:46 sivu: ? Sep 12 20:59:03 lbt, when packages in project x depend on packages in y Sep 12 20:59:07 and y depends on z Sep 12 20:59:19 *nod* sounds normal Sep 12 20:59:20 and z depends on meego 1.0 Sep 12 20:59:47 but y needs new packages from daily and meego 1.0 Sep 12 21:00:46 you can add a path Sep 12 21:00:48 Yay, Herman Hauser on this programme. Sep 12 21:00:59 or, worst case, aggregate Sep 12 21:01:26 Jaffa: the skier? Sep 12 21:01:39 lbt, i am pretty happy with the setup currently Sep 12 21:02:28 i have meego:1.0:core and backports which builds against core. then i have x which builds against backports. and x:y which builds against x etc Sep 12 21:03:55 you know that you could build any:b against x ? Sep 12 21:04:13 doesn't have to be x:y to build against x Sep 12 21:04:20 yep Sep 12 21:04:30 lbt: The founder of Acorn :-p Sep 12 21:04:32 but the subprojects are organized in that way because its logical Sep 12 21:04:38 also you know you can have multiple entries Sep 12 21:05:19 lbt: _In Business_ dealing with the "fifth wave" of computing (network/mobile/cloud) and how ARM/Cambridge/Britain is surprisingly strong. Sep 12 21:05:47 on iplayer? Sep 12 21:13:20 lbt, yeah i will need to use it soon Sep 12 21:13:46 but i tried to create a project layout that is straightforward Sep 12 21:14:00 mmm Sep 12 21:14:21 * lbt gives you 4/10 Sep 12 21:16:17 * lbt off for a while Sep 12 21:18:03 :( Sep 12 21:19:06 bye Sep 12 21:19:25 cyas Sep 12 21:19:34 * CosmoHill offers mufins Sep 12 21:57:39 ali1234: should i just flashed my combined.bin image straight from flasher-3.5? Sep 12 21:57:45 *flash Sep 12 22:01:19 nvm Sep 12 22:03:39 yes Sep 12 22:03:53 you can test it with -l first, same as with a kernel Sep 12 22:15:11 u-boot works like a charm :) Sep 12 22:16:20 and i can confirm that u-boot does not handle all watchdogs as it rebooted after about 10-15 sec in u-boots command prompt Sep 12 22:19:30 yeah, figures Sep 12 22:19:52 i think NOLO turns on a watchdog that isn't on by default, thus u-boot doesn't know to handle it Sep 12 22:20:22 if you want to spend a long time in command line, turn on rd mode, and set the watchdog flags Sep 12 22:21:15 uploaded the builder.py with some improvements and a precompiled u-boot.bin Sep 12 22:22:21 ali1234, you ported u-boot? Sep 12 22:22:35 yes Sep 12 22:22:56 http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/u-boot/ Sep 12 22:22:57 apologies for calling you a troll then :P Sep 12 22:23:11 yes, seen that Sep 12 22:23:32 heh, no problem, i probably would not have done it if you hadn't :) Sep 12 22:25:09 lol Sep 12 22:26:53 any ideas what to do with: Sep 12 22:26:53 drivers/media/video/msm/msm_vfe8x.c:481: error: the frame size of 1784 bytes is larger than 1024 bytes ? Sep 12 22:27:36 lol Sep 12 22:27:57 ooh Sep 12 22:28:01 so that's a kernel bug Sep 12 22:28:04 smoku, lower res Sep 12 22:28:31 don't follow Sep 12 22:29:07 maximum res allowed is 800x480, lower it to that? Sep 12 22:31:03 oh, thought this was #maemo-devel, sorry Sep 12 22:32:36 you will be Sep 12 22:32:41 * CosmoHill bops MohammadAG51 Sep 12 22:37:17 hey Venemo Sep 12 22:37:43 hey CosmoHill, MohammadAG51 Sep 12 22:37:45 hey Texrat :) Sep 12 22:37:53 what's up? Sep 12 22:37:58 hello Sep 12 22:38:01 just checking in Sep 12 22:38:10 doing some meego wiki work Sep 12 22:38:45 hello Texrat :) Sep 12 22:38:51 hey b-man Sep 12 22:38:57 hey Texrat! Sep 12 22:39:08 haven't seen you around since... jan? :P Sep 12 22:40:05 this channel was started in feb Sep 12 22:40:12 :D Sep 12 22:40:40 CosmoHill, i joined #maemo in Jan :) Sep 12 22:41:01 I join #meego within hours Sep 12 22:43:10 MohammadAG51 I'm usually here during Europe time ;) Sep 12 22:43:25 I'm here in Cosmo time Sep 12 22:43:34 Texrat, you're EUrat now? Sep 12 22:43:48 CosmoHill: Deep... Very deep! :P Sep 12 22:44:58 johnx no, but I have to do these stupid weekend change migration conferences, and waste time on IRC when nothing is happening Sep 12 22:45:25 so how is everyone? Sep 12 22:45:36 alive and productives Sep 12 22:45:51 working on nitdebian, fixing a dsme bug :) Sep 12 22:46:05 awake, but not caffeinated yet. Sep 12 22:47:13 Started school 13 days ago, not as active as I used to be :( Sep 12 22:47:40 everyone goes through waves of that I think Sep 12 22:48:09 MohammadAG51: how old are you? Sep 12 22:48:13 so who is planning to attend MeeGo conference 2010? Sep 12 22:48:15 when I had a non-tech job I practically lived in maemo-land when not at work Sep 12 22:49:08 MohammadAG51: didn't you recently turn 17? Sep 12 22:50:04 I found out about port 8000 so I might be in here more than I could before at uni Sep 12 22:50:33 or just get a shell account somewhere ;) Sep 12 22:51:35 no I like all my IRC and MSN logs to be in once place Sep 12 22:52:16 freenode has a ssl port too on 7000 too Sep 12 22:52:40 handy if your mobile operator blocks irc with dpi Sep 12 22:54:06 cool Sep 12 22:54:47 MohammadAG51: what school? Sep 12 22:54:49 just need to find out the ports for the other servers Sep 12 22:55:51 Is there a guide somewhere for getting MADDE up and running from GIT? I managed to get it to build, but I'm still running into issues, and I can't find any documentation aside from the README Sep 12 23:18:55 Texrat: how's the forums? Sep 12 23:20:38 jaem, eep Sep 12 23:21:58 what do you mean CosmoHill? Sep 12 23:22:10 lcuk: I suppose it's still classified as a Tech Preview, but instructions that say "to build this, you'll need to manually download a bunch of obscure files, some of which may only be mentioned in a forum post after someone asked" aren't very helpful. Sep 12 23:22:44 jaem, of course Sep 12 23:22:54 Texrat, Sep 12 23:23:44 Texrat: you're on the forums a lot more than I am Sep 12 23:25:03 lcuk: Hmm.. it may have magically worked. Sep 12 23:25:11 lcuk Sep 12 23:25:21 CosmoHill you meen meego or maemo? Sep 12 23:25:25 meego Sep 12 23:25:43 CosmoHill meego forum is slowly becoming human ;) Sep 12 23:25:56 Texrat: as opposed to...? Sep 12 23:25:59 yay mood swings? Sep 12 23:27:09 jaem as opposed to cold and impersonal, as it started Sep 12 23:27:39 meego has not been as welcoming as maemo, but then, it took us 5 years to build maemo,org to whee it is Sep 12 23:27:52 where* Sep 12 23:28:04 True. That's good to here. The wiki still seems to be a bit of a mess, but hopefully things are rolling along. Sep 12 23:28:09 hear* Sep 12 23:29:34 I've rawrly been on the forum Sep 12 23:29:42 I blame Qgil for me being on there at all Sep 12 23:44:08 Texrat, :) meego has had a lot more to get upto speed with Sep 12 23:48:01 understood lcuk Sep 13 00:00:19 night night Sep 13 00:02:32 geh, qemu is so slow **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 13 02:59:57 2010