**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 01 02:59:58 2010 Oct 01 05:44:56 morning Oct 01 06:26:48 has anybody tries installing obs-server on fedora m getting the error permissions is needed by obs-server-2.0.6-6.1.i586 , Oct 01 06:37:27 Does someone know where the 1.1 repos are currently exported? Oct 01 06:37:50 Now when 1.1 branched from Trunk the locations changed, right? Oct 01 07:05:44 hi all Oct 01 07:18:01 thiago: connman plugin and ssl issue, both fixed in MeeGo OBS Oct 01 07:18:11 thanks Oct 01 07:18:26 * thiago_home has another idea for the fix Oct 01 07:18:48 I'll get the openssl soname during configure Oct 01 08:47:11 hi, how do i prevent banshee from automatically starting? Oct 01 08:55:03 does no one know what configuration file i should change? Oct 01 08:58:49 chmod -x $(which banshee) .. j/k Oct 01 12:28:28 Morning all Oct 01 12:29:34 afternoon :) Oct 01 12:35:44 nice job polishing vectormine look and feel Khertan_ Oct 01 12:36:40 pupnik_: thx Oct 01 12:37:25 pupnik_: this is the only game installed on my n900 and play on it often ;) Oct 01 12:37:27 i probably mentioned 'space duel' which can be played 2p coop. right? Oct 01 12:37:59 pupnik_: hum ... you have mention something about it ... Oct 01 12:38:06 pupnik_: but didn't well remember Oct 01 12:39:01 pupnik_: a bit like space war on vectrex ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2mb-ENbxxg Oct 01 12:39:03 :) Oct 01 12:39:41 http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=atari+space+duel the most fascinating mode is 2p with both ships joined by a line into a 'space station' - one player accelerating will send the station spinning around its center of gravity Oct 01 12:39:47 pupnik_: with the star gravity attraction ? Oct 01 12:39:53 no that's space war Oct 01 12:40:27 so cooperative mode becomes particularly nasty in a dense screen, as one player dodging an asteroid will whip the other one around Oct 01 12:43:01 pupnik_: it s silly ! Oct 01 12:44:41 actually me and my best friend got very good at it on the arcade version. one person would take the lead in steering the station and the other one would correct spin Oct 01 12:45:09 i think i know how to do the math with just integers, i think Oct 01 12:45:48 so you don't think it's cool Khertan_ ? Oct 01 12:46:06 pupnik_: yep it s ... Oct 01 12:46:18 pupnik_: could be interesting Oct 01 12:46:31 pupnik_: but i didn't have the time currently to do it Oct 01 12:46:35 but maybe later :) Oct 01 12:46:50 if you want to try vectormine source code are available Oct 01 12:47:15 i ll be happy to add your mod Oct 01 12:47:36 ok i'll think about it this weekend with carol Oct 01 12:48:44 do you have maemo-specific stuff #ifdef'd Khertan_ ? Oct 01 12:48:57 nope ... it s pure python Oct 01 12:49:01 ah hum ... Oct 01 12:49:10 so no problem running on linux Oct 01 12:49:13 ? Oct 01 12:49:21 there is some things that are not really well written Oct 01 12:49:31 as long as it's understandble Oct 01 12:49:35 like the reading the accelerometers Oct 01 12:49:39 pupnik_: yep it s Oct 01 12:49:42 it s python Oct 01 12:49:48 so it s always readable Oct 01 12:49:49 :) Oct 01 12:50:43 but normally you can use also left arrow key and right arrow key if you disable accelerometers Oct 01 12:51:08 but be carreful when adding too much things, pygame on n900 isn't really powerfull Oct 01 12:51:09 :) Oct 01 12:51:27 but we will be able to optimize that later Oct 01 12:53:05 pupnik_: for information vectormine is a small clone of this game : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKl1ZuiVqMc Oct 01 12:53:05 :) Oct 01 12:53:15 but the start animation is missing Oct 01 12:54:17 OHOHOHOHOHO DEAR ALL PYTHON LOVER I VE FINNALY SUCCESSFULLY BUILD PYSIDE ON THE MEEGO OBS ! Oct 01 12:54:19 youhou ! Oct 01 12:54:43 \o/ Oct 01 12:54:43 ok now i need to install meego on my netbook to see if it s work Oct 01 12:55:39 are there even *plans* to get meego running in a vm? Oct 01 12:55:42 Khertan, congrats! renato was trying to build it yesterday too Oct 01 12:56:03 :) i was able to build it with his help Oct 01 12:56:23 nice! Oct 01 12:56:25 luck: unfortunatly, it s for meego 1.0.x and qt4.6 Oct 01 12:56:31 pupnik_: do you define qemu as a VM? Oct 01 12:56:53 as qt4.7 isn't the final release and contain some bugs on the community obs Oct 01 12:57:06 w00t_: a lot of people would like to run meego apps and sdk on one non-meego machine - for dev and testing Oct 01 12:58:38 some chat with people in Xen seemed to indicate it might be possible to run meego and debian side-by-side Oct 01 12:59:26 but there really doesn't seem a clean way to share a gpu between two OS's Oct 01 12:59:33 or even switch between them Oct 01 13:04:37 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools is worth a look Oct 01 13:05:34 hi Oct 01 13:05:46 does meego use upstart or init ? Oct 01 13:06:31 no upstart Oct 01 13:06:36 ok Oct 01 13:06:45 is there any reason for that ? Oct 01 13:07:15 from what I recall, it uses a heavily customised process of its own, but may switch in the future.. there was a thread on meego-dev about it recentlyish Oct 01 13:07:28 ok Oct 01 13:10:40 is there any release date for Meego 1.1 ? Oct 01 13:10:47 we're in october now.... :p Oct 01 13:11:25 yes, go see http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1 Oct 01 13:11:54 21 ? Oct 01 13:12:12 hm Oct 01 13:12:37 is it ok for testing now ? Oct 01 13:13:29 I mean, 1.0.99 Oct 01 13:13:30 vlj: from what I've been told and read the init is heavily optimised to run multiple things are once Oct 01 13:14:03 vlj: http://lwn.net/Articles/299483/ Oct 01 13:14:46 vlj: yes, it's in testing atm Oct 01 13:14:51 ie, release candidates Oct 01 13:15:21 ok Oct 01 13:18:06 seems that 1.1 can be run from xephyr with hardware acceleration Oct 01 13:18:20 fyi yum won't be in meego 1.1 Oct 01 13:19:53 gma 500 won't be supported out of the box by meego 1.1 I think ? Oct 01 13:20:35 i don't know, actually Oct 01 13:21:21 there was a gma 500 enabled version of moblin that was provided before Meego was announced Oct 01 13:21:37 i kinda hope there'll be EMGD based on 1.1 as POR Oct 01 13:21:38 but I don't find a gma 500 enabled version of Meego Oct 01 13:21:46 with emgd drivers Oct 01 13:22:00 I'm a bit lazy, I don't want to build the driver by myself ;) Oct 01 13:22:22 and emgd is a pain to configure Oct 01 14:23:12 who the heck is that ingram guy? Oct 01 14:23:56 Ingram the company, or Ingram somebody's name? Oct 01 14:25:14 meego-community@ Oct 01 14:25:15 name Oct 01 14:26:12 oh, the computer scientist :) Oct 01 14:26:48 I have a computer science degree - should I start referring to myself as Dawn Foster Computer Scientist? Oct 01 14:27:05 my msn says C. Munk, BSc. ;) Oct 01 14:27:46 though i suppose I'm msc now.. Oct 01 14:28:27 i have difficulties figuring out if it's an AI, alien, human or extremely screwed up human.. Oct 01 14:28:57 ola Oct 01 14:32:20 Stskeeps: yeah, I'm with you on that question Oct 01 14:34:01 Bored human. Oct 01 14:42:43 http://www.georgeingram.net/ - watch out if you're epilleptic :p Oct 01 14:42:56 (ie don't try to maximize the window) Oct 01 16:05:57 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD ...has anyone considered writing a wrapper around glibc that provides the same symbols android's libc does? Oct 01 16:10:18 our armv7 builds are -mfloat-abi=hard, right? Oct 01 16:11:34 no Oct 01 16:11:35 softftp Oct 01 16:11:49 i tried raising the issue some months back but noone seemed to react Oct 01 16:13:02 that explains why this doesn't compile Oct 01 16:13:08 which? Oct 01 16:13:11 Qt Oct 01 16:13:16 ah Oct 01 16:13:19 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004524.html Oct 01 16:13:32 /home/tmacieir/.madde/arm-2010q1/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.4.1/../../../../arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: error: dbus.o uses VFP register arguments, dbus does not Oct 01 16:13:48 do you know how to decode the eabi attributes from a binary? Oct 01 16:13:48 hmm Oct 01 16:14:08 objdump? not sure Oct 01 16:14:11 readelf Oct 01 16:14:43 thanks Oct 01 16:14:45 readelf -A Oct 01 16:15:59 libc has: Tag_ABI_HardFP_use: SP and DP Oct 01 16:16:18 my .o has: Oct 01 16:16:18 Tag_ABI_HardFP_use: SP and DP Oct 01 16:16:19 Tag_ABI_VFP_args: VFP registers Oct 01 16:17:34 * thiago changes back to softfp Oct 01 16:18:33 and switching back to Harmattan too then Oct 01 16:47:24 hey is there something like a release date for meego to be usable ... meaning with all the standards usable ... not the extra apps Oct 01 16:56:05 hey... any Qt Linguist (.ts) expert around? Oct 01 16:58:18 i can speak jibberish Oct 01 16:59:56 theplic: so can must of the staff at PC world Oct 01 17:00:11 wee Oct 01 17:00:18 it's cheaper than actually teaching them about computers Oct 01 17:00:20 * theplic hides his PC world badge Oct 01 17:00:33 * CosmoHill narrows eyes Oct 01 17:00:41 the computer store? Oct 01 17:00:48 wut? i dont live here Oct 01 18:12:27 hi! Oct 01 18:12:34 hello Oct 01 18:12:59 I have just started using meego-sdk in my laptop Oct 01 18:13:26 but in gui i am not able to do any thing :( Oct 01 18:14:58 i tried to google it but didn't get anything, if anybody have some idea then please help :) Oct 01 18:20:05 'not able to do any thing' is to say the least vague Oct 01 18:36:04 I was trying to enable my "broadcom" wifi in meego from http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html Oct 01 18:36:50 it says that : Oct 01 18:36:53 # Oct 01 18:36:53 1)Activate the MeeGo toolbar and select the applications icon Oct 01 18:36:53 # Oct 01 18:36:53 2)Choose the Accessories section and select Terminal (or type terminal in the search box) Oct 01 18:37:34 but i doesn't get search option in it Oct 01 18:44:22 and no Terminal shows up in Accessories? Oct 01 18:45:18 maybe write install script for n900 users? Oct 01 18:45:55 and put them to maemo repository Oct 01 18:48:40 no, if i click on any icon like "add-up" then i only get Oct 01 18:49:25 this is a placeholder for the Meego Add-Up Application Oct 01 18:50:21 sinnykumari, thats exactly what it means, the app is in need of fleshing out Oct 01 18:50:32 patches welcome :P Oct 01 18:52:10 I'd have thought there should be a terminal though... Oct 01 18:52:14 what should I do then? Oct 01 18:52:27 (those instructions say it exists) Oct 01 18:53:24 you could also, presumably, ssh into your (ethernet-connected) laptop and just do it from there, all it's asking for is a command line Oct 01 18:53:50 no when on my system terminal I do "startmeego" , then get one window and in it bottom middle i get 5 menu Oct 01 18:54:40 if you have a system terminal, and assuming you've done 'startmeego &' so it's still there, just do the things it says after telling you to start the terminal app Oct 01 18:56:43 sorry! but i am not getting the last line meaning Oct 01 18:57:14 ' just do the things it says after telling you to start the terminal app' Oct 01 19:05:09 you have a shell prompt, right? where you type in 'startmeego' to make the UI go Oct 01 19:05:21 instead of doing that, type in the things in that webpage that it wanted you to type in the Terminal Oct 01 19:08:08 yes i did it, i typed in it "sudo yum install rpmdevtools" Oct 01 19:08:37 but i got error "Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: meego-sdk. Please verify its path and try again" Oct 01 19:13:27 hmmm, I had issues with meego-sdk for some reason when I updated a while back Oct 01 19:13:27 I don't know how to fix that :) Oct 01 19:14:25 dillon: okey! thanks for helping :) Oct 01 19:20:49 <__key__> interesting Oct 01 19:21:10 <__key__> so, meego kernel can handle SMP ? Oct 01 19:21:32 it's linux 2.6.35, I certainly hope so Oct 01 19:21:39 <__key__> lol Oct 01 19:21:44 <__key__> ok, ic ... Oct 01 19:21:52 <__key__> so, could also run as makeshift firewall ? Oct 01 19:22:01 sure, if you wanted it to Oct 01 19:22:06 <__key__> nice Oct 01 19:22:14 but I'm sure there are distros better suited to that task Oct 01 19:22:15 <__key__> hrmm.... Oct 01 19:22:26 <__key__> maybe it can run apache+postgre server ? Oct 01 19:22:34 sure, if you wanted it to Oct 01 19:22:41 <__key__> meego rules! Oct 01 19:22:44 but again... Oct 01 19:22:50 <__key__> another distro Oct 01 19:22:52 <__key__> more suited Oct 01 19:22:57 indeed Oct 01 19:23:08 meego is very focused on mobile applications Oct 01 19:23:20 <__key__> yessir Oct 01 19:23:32 <__key__> so, mobile apache+mysql+python app server Oct 01 19:23:38 sure Oct 01 19:24:00 <__key__> nice Oct 01 19:24:11 <__key__> apache inside my wrist watch ?" Oct 01 19:24:23 __key__, why do you want to use meego for this? Oct 01 19:24:42 <__key__> well, just looking at options Oct 01 19:25:31 <__key__> so Oct 01 19:25:44 <__key__> meego, you can run it on a 1.44 floppy ? Oct 01 19:26:11 hi Oct 01 19:26:15 <__key__> hi Oct 01 19:26:40 meh, trolls suck these days Oct 01 19:26:56 <__key__> mosty, u ever run Meego via 1.44 floppy ? Oct 01 19:27:07 <__key__> it is very cruicial for me to run Meego on floppy Oct 01 19:27:20 <__key__> hi Oct 01 19:27:28 yeah right Oct 01 19:27:47 <__key__> ? Oct 01 19:27:53 havent seen floppy drive in god knows how many years now Oct 01 19:27:54 __key__, Meego only supports 5 1/4inch floppies Oct 01 19:27:54 __key__, yeah but only on my gameboy Oct 01 19:27:55 sorry Oct 01 19:28:01 the 3.5 inch ones are too small Oct 01 19:28:08 <__key__> ? Oct 01 19:28:51 if you try and write Meego onto a small floppy disk, you only get "Mee" Oct 01 19:29:07 you need 5 inches at least to fit the whole of "Meego" on it Oct 01 19:29:54 <__key__> man Oct 01 19:30:01 <__key__> that blows Oct 01 19:30:10 <__key__> Meego is lame Oct 01 19:30:27 __key__: are you trolling again? Oct 01 19:30:29 lcuk: more like you only get 'e' Oct 01 19:30:33 I am sure you will find a distro with a small enough name to fit in your requirements Oct 01 19:30:38 <__key__> yessir Oct 01 19:30:55 <__key__> hrmm Oct 01 19:30:57 <__key__> bye! Oct 01 19:31:01 __key__: please leave or resort to constructive conversation then Oct 01 19:31:07 why is he not banned? Oct 01 19:46:02 :psyduck: gotta love trolls Oct 01 19:49:10 I can't figure out how to ban with pidgin Oct 01 19:49:11 lol Oct 01 19:51:59 hey guys Oct 01 19:52:12 is there a way to install meego natively on the n900? Oct 01 19:52:19 yes Oct 01 19:52:31 there's instructions on the wiki Oct 01 19:52:55 natively? as in not on an sd card? Oct 01 19:53:42 no, those instructions are for installing on a SD card Oct 01 19:55:02 hope I got that right Oct 01 19:56:13 auke, yeah but is there a way to install on the emmc Oct 01 19:56:15 ? Oct 01 19:56:36 good question, I haven't looked that deeply at the flasher software Oct 01 19:56:46 auke, it would be awesome Oct 01 19:57:01 well try reading the flasher documentation yourself Oct 01 19:57:07 i couldnt find any class 2 microsd cards in my area Oct 01 19:58:28 online? Oct 01 19:58:51 i am leaving in 2 days Oct 01 20:03:56 yay auke Oct 01 20:07:11 OK build.obs.com and api.obs.com is used for the core OBS ... what should the community be called? I like : build.public.meego.com api.public.meego.com ? Oct 01 20:07:20 obs.com? Oct 01 20:07:31 d'oh Oct 01 20:07:46 take 2 : OK build.meego.com and api.meego.com is used for the core OBS ... what should the community be called? I like : build.public.meego.com api.public.meego.com ? Oct 01 20:07:48 Open Book System? Oct 01 20:08:03 ah I see Oct 01 20:08:06 OpenSuSE Build System Oct 01 20:08:12 * lbt issues a recall for his earlier irc message Oct 01 20:08:16 lbt: public has a wrong taste.. but bob is already taken Oct 01 20:08:20 auke: obs.com is the book one Oct 01 20:08:34 build.dev.meego.com ? Oct 01 20:08:40 build.community.meego.com is too damned long Oct 01 20:08:43 CosmoHill: context Oct 01 20:08:43 CosmoHill: not bad Oct 01 20:08:48 lbt: i kinda liked cbuild and capi and crepo Oct 01 20:09:01 you can't have build.com.meego.com as that;s just weird Oct 01 20:09:09 Danes have no taste Oct 01 20:09:23 oi Oct 01 20:09:23 :P Oct 01 20:09:28 we have two Danish exchange students :) Oct 01 20:09:40 can't blame them, their country is gray and dull Oct 01 20:09:52 * auke hides Oct 01 20:09:54 like "cbuild".... Oct 01 20:10:09 almost British in it's greyness ;) Oct 01 20:10:13 cobs.meego.com Oct 01 20:10:17 I like that Oct 01 20:10:33 build.cobs.meego.com, api.cobs.meego.com Oct 01 20:10:44 ok... yes Oct 01 20:10:44 it's all a bunch of cobs Oct 01 20:10:46 hmm, not bad Oct 01 20:10:49 how about obs.meego.com to make confusion total? Oct 01 20:11:09 Stskeeps: too confusing Oct 01 20:11:14 well Oct 01 20:11:23 'build.meego.com' and 'build.for.meego.com' ;) Oct 01 20:11:27 it's going to stick with us... and we need clarity and brevity (and style) Oct 01 20:11:32 obs sounds more official instead of communal Oct 01 20:11:35 clever Oct 01 20:11:58 api.for.meego.com download.for.meego.com... Oct 01 20:12:14 api.build.for.meego.com Oct 01 20:12:14 :P Oct 01 20:12:27 Stskeeps: build.meego.com Oct 01 20:12:28 * lbt figures a bikeshed on a friday night... Oct 01 20:12:46 berndhs: that's taken by the core obs Oct 01 20:12:49 build.me.for.meego.com Oct 01 20:13:07 build.MeFor.Meego.com Oct 01 20:13:17 lbt: we'll send our lawers and take it from them :) Oct 01 20:13:30 build.we.meego.com? Oct 01 20:13:55 build.bob.meego.com Oct 01 20:14:05 build.open.meego.com Oct 01 20:14:11 * auke just watched the sintel movie Oct 01 20:14:26 berndhs: they're a bit touchy about implying the core is closed Oct 01 20:14:33 could we shorten "public" to "pub" or is that just lazy? Oct 01 20:14:34 it is :) Oct 01 20:14:39 even though, you know... it is Oct 01 20:14:41 pub is good Oct 01 20:14:43 s/touchy/touché/ Oct 01 20:15:03 lbt: farm.meego.com? Oct 01 20:15:03 :P Oct 01 20:15:09 (build farm..) Oct 01 20:15:15 would that make us cattle? Oct 01 20:15:21 we're all sheep Oct 01 20:15:21 :p Oct 01 20:15:24 I know you say moo and all... Oct 01 20:15:43 i like build.pub.meego.com Oct 01 20:16:39 out of interest, was this discussion meant to take place in this week's cancelled TSG meeting? Oct 01 20:16:57 CosmoHill: far too relevant ;) Oct 01 20:17:04 lbt: we can always go for the name.. cas.meego.com Oct 01 20:17:09 we currently have cbuild.meego.com and capi and cdownload.... am I alone in not liking them? Oct 01 20:17:20 i don't like them Oct 01 20:17:42 they're a typo away from being the official ones Oct 01 20:18:28 so we have *.cobs.m.c *.for.m.c *.dev.m.c *.pub.m.c Oct 01 20:18:32 nicer to have a common qualifier in the name, build.something.meego.com, download.something.... Oct 01 20:18:43 I think so too berndhs Oct 01 20:19:07 build.apps.for.meego.com? ;p Oct 01 20:19:25 download.apps.for.meego.com.. Oct 01 20:19:26 Stskeeps: have you bought shares in Cherry ? Oct 01 20:19:35 so far we have: dev, pub, public, farm, for, open, cobs and apps; Oct 01 20:20:06 bbl sleep Oct 01 20:20:16 I can tell you need it ;) Oct 01 20:20:18 what's "open" in finnish ? Oct 01 20:20:26 I'm sure my friend said bbl to me sometime. I think it was march... Oct 01 20:20:26 we're not going to use 'ovi', at least.. Oct 01 20:20:27 :P Oct 01 20:20:54 * lbt looks for Aard... Oct 01 20:21:11 or ahma... Oct 01 20:21:19 why don't we take all the ones that we've come up with and like and then put them to a vote on the forum? Oct 01 20:21:39 OK Oct 01 20:21:58 google translate says "auki" is "open" Oct 01 20:21:59 Stskeeps: why not? :-) Oct 01 20:22:32 lol Oct 01 20:25:19 that's a point berndhs, does the word need to be english? Oct 01 20:26:14 you can't have "us" as people would mistake it for an American mirror Oct 01 20:26:31 auki / kiini Oct 01 20:26:47 says so on the label Oct 01 20:28:29 shall I add Auki to the list? Oct 01 20:28:38 also what language is it? Oct 01 20:28:46 Finnish Oct 01 20:28:52 CosmoHill: I'm doing a post Oct 01 20:29:10 cool Oct 01 20:29:14 the other label (on the heater) says "ei saa peittää" Oct 01 20:29:37 is installing meego over chroot slower than a mmc Oct 01 20:29:49 no funky characters in the url :) Oct 01 20:29:56 you just destroyed all hopes of me trying to learn Finnish Oct 01 20:30:33 lbt: how many ideas do you have? I count 8 Oct 01 20:30:54 shall I paste them? Oct 01 20:30:58 yes please Oct 01 20:31:05 *.dev.meego.com Yep... targets developers Oct 01 20:31:06 *.pub.meego.com Short. Clear Oct 01 20:31:06 berndhs: why not? they work fine :-) Oct 01 20:31:07 *.public.meego.com Slightly longer. Clear. Oct 01 20:31:09 *.farm.meego.com Amusing (api.farm.meego.com?) Oct 01 20:31:10 *.cobs.meego.com Community OBS ... makes sense Oct 01 20:31:12 *.for.meego.com Fun... why not :) Oct 01 20:31:13 *.apps.meego.com The primary focus is apps... but respins happen here too Oct 01 20:31:15 *.auki.meego.com Open (in Finnish) Oct 01 20:31:44 yes I have them all Oct 01 20:31:53 All of the other urls are focusing on what happens at them. Oct 01 20:31:59 thiago_home: yes but nobody else can find them on the keyboard Oct 01 20:32:51 Needs to be verbose enough that it's obvious at first glance what's going on there. Oct 01 20:33:16 The fact that we have non-public build services on meego.com seems to be the root of the problem. :rolleyes: Oct 01 20:34:03 "ei saa peittää" = "do not cover" Oct 01 20:34:03 I'm assuming those who use the public build service well and gain trust / reputation would gain access to the closed build service at some point? Oct 01 20:34:20 GAN900: yup... build.core.meego.com would have been good Oct 01 20:34:25 funny really Oct 01 20:34:51 Hilarious. Oct 01 20:35:03 years ago yahoo.com gave the tld email accounts to customer ... customer@yahoo.com BT gave it to employees employee@bt.com .... Oct 01 20:35:22 just a state of mind.... open or closed Oct 01 20:36:10 we have staff at the TLD and students at a sub-domain Oct 01 20:40:14 Stskeeps: you still around? Oct 01 20:40:55 he went to bed 20 mins ago Oct 01 20:41:37 no worries - I'll ping him again tomorrow :) Oct 01 20:41:47 CosmoHill: thanks for keeping tabs :) Oct 01 20:41:50 post #3 ..... http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=10473#post10473 Oct 01 20:42:15 I'm getting the hang of these forum thingies..... if only we had email integration ;) Oct 01 20:42:26 lbt: where's the poll? Oct 01 20:42:45 lets see if there are suggestions from the forum Oct 01 20:42:53 ah okay Oct 01 20:43:03 * thiago_home likes auki.meego.com Oct 01 20:43:05 yer Oct 01 20:43:12 thiago_home: nice isn't it Oct 01 20:43:19 the bottom one looks like it's swearing :/ Oct 01 20:43:26 heh Oct 01 20:43:32 It tells you exactly shit about what's behind it, though. Oct 01 20:43:45 CosmoHill: so you like it then ? Oct 01 20:43:55 GAN900: build.auki.meego.com ? Oct 01 20:44:01 not a build system? Oct 01 20:44:19 I think it's pretty obvious :) Oct 01 20:44:30 lbt: is it possible to have the top two URLs? Oct 01 20:44:39 build.httpbasedserverchrootfarm.meego.com Oct 01 20:44:41 Ah, prepending build to all of them. Oct 01 20:44:44 Right Oct 01 20:44:52 eg build.auki.meego.com and build.open.meego.com point to the same place Oct 01 20:44:52 That's so unclean. :/ Oct 01 20:45:32 obs.meego.com? :D Oct 01 20:45:33 GAN900: but there are 3 discrete services behind it build/api/download Oct 01 20:45:51 Is there no technical solution to making build.meego.com suitable for both? Oct 01 20:45:55 Ah Oct 01 20:46:00 CosmoHill: yes... but I doubt it would be welcom Oct 01 20:46:02 e Oct 01 20:46:17 GAN900: not that I can think of Oct 01 20:46:49 there are security issues too Oct 01 20:47:05 the core build system is partitioned Oct 01 20:47:17 isn't the chrome image build on the closed build service? Oct 01 20:47:59 I don't think closed is a good description .... it's as open as the debian build service Oct 01 20:48:13 only people with commit rights get access Oct 01 20:48:28 which is SOP in the oss world Oct 01 20:48:34 "ovi auki" means "open door" Oct 01 20:48:58 which bit is the door Oct 01 20:49:00 so the ovi store is really just a shop for doors? Oct 01 20:49:05 lbt: ovi Oct 01 20:49:09 CosmoHill: yes Oct 01 20:49:13 just checking Oct 01 20:49:27 lbt: you making sure you didn't suggest build.door.meego.com? Oct 01 20:49:29 what's finnish for revolving ? Oct 01 20:49:33 kind of. "avoin ovi" would be more appropriate for "open door" Oct 01 20:50:50 CosmoHill: "auki" is an adjective, isn't it? Oct 01 20:51:10 if you shout "ovi auki" then it's more like a command "open the door!" Oct 01 20:51:25 hmm Oct 01 20:51:27 or something, finnish is a bit difficult language to translate :) Oct 01 20:52:22 shout "open the revolving door". that will confuse them Oct 01 20:53:08 "aava" also relates to open, doesn't it? Oct 01 20:53:16 open, vast Oct 01 20:54:04 yeah, well it's not very common word but it's used when describing the sea for an example Oct 01 20:54:25