**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 05 02:59:57 2010 Oct 05 03:00:49 really looking forward to seeing Meego on both intel and ARM :) Oct 05 03:01:30 hopefully this is the 'real' portable, user-facing embedded linux platform that we've been waiting for since 2002 or so Oct 05 03:01:45 johnx: I agree, I love ARM because I think a lot of cool stuff is happening in that arena but I'm also really excited to see the next gen Atom bits because I'm waiting until we hit SoCs powered by Atom procs Oct 05 03:01:55 johnx: ha! no joke Oct 05 03:03:08 seriously, I had a Zaurus SL5500 (would love to see someone make a phone in a similar form factor), Zaurus C1000, Nokia N800, Nokia N900 (and a Pandora) and I'm tired of all this churn and incompatibility and API breakage Oct 05 03:03:55 I eagerly await general availability of the pandaboard Oct 05 03:04:03 yes Oct 05 03:04:16 might go get a small, secondary monitor just for it Oct 05 03:04:36 mouse, keyboard Oct 05 03:04:39 I'd love to wedge one into an older netbook. I bet there'd be room to spare ... Oct 05 03:04:56 only thing missing is the lack of a capacitive touchscreen module that could be added Oct 05 03:05:08 and I don't have the resources to make one that I'd like Oct 05 03:05:26 my other wild ideas involve using one to replace the mainboard in a G4 iMac Oct 05 03:05:32 (that and the board header for the LCD is locked out in favor of the DVI) Oct 05 03:05:33 battery powered desktop :> Oct 05 03:05:34 haha Oct 05 03:07:57 johnx: I have an iMac G4 taking up space in the office ... its got a copy of YellowDog Linux on it that can be wiped .... its yours if you pay shipping Oct 05 03:09:38 maxamillion, where from? Oct 05 03:09:50 johnx: Texas Oct 05 03:10:21 johnx: small surface crack on the screen in the upper left corner ... but it doesn't really have an effect on visibility Oct 05 03:10:44 johnx: I will warn ... bugger is *heavy* (which is why I'm not willing to pay shipping costs :/) Oct 05 03:12:39 ah, let me lookup a weight ... Oct 05 03:12:48 might be cheaper to get one locally ... Oct 05 03:13:02 heh, didn't even think about that Oct 05 03:13:06 it might be Oct 05 03:13:11 I picked that one up for $50 Oct 05 03:13:46 what screen size is it? Oct 05 03:14:42 johnx: I *think* its a 17" ... lemme go double check Oct 05 03:15:51 johnx: yeah, 17" Oct 05 03:16:00 alright, I guessed it was that one Oct 05 03:16:06 seems more common than the 15 or 20 Oct 05 03:16:10 yeah Oct 05 03:16:16 johnx: what's the weight listed on it Oct 05 03:16:17 ?* Oct 05 03:16:21 23lbs Oct 05 03:16:22 soooo, $30 shipping ... Oct 05 03:16:30 $30 shipping where? Oct 05 03:16:35 to seattle area Oct 05 03:16:42 that's really well priced ... what carrier? Oct 05 03:16:51 ups actually Oct 05 03:16:56 huh Oct 05 03:16:58 nice Oct 05 03:18:04 johnx: well I'll have to find a box for it if you're actually interested, but I wouldn't mind doing so ... just might take me a day or two to find one that big that would provide some protection Oct 05 03:18:47 maxamillion, I'll think about it. the offer is much appreciated, but I don't have any of the other parts I need for this hack yet, so I might just wait a bit Oct 05 03:19:19 johnx: no worries, feel free to email me ... its likely the iMac isn't going anywhere Oct 05 03:19:28 I'll definitely tell you if/when I change my mind :) Oct 05 03:19:29 johnx: email is maxamillion@fedoraproject.org Oct 05 03:19:44 cool. Oct 05 03:19:56 eep. off to eat dinner. back in a bit Oct 05 03:20:13 johnx: alright, ttyl Oct 05 03:24:52 hey, so I know MeeGo is already out for the N900 ... does OviMaps run on that? Oct 05 03:25:45 because if I could still have turn by turn when I drop Android for MeeGo, that'd be awesome Oct 05 03:33:09 Ovi Maps will probably only be available on Nokia branded MeeGo installs Oct 05 03:33:55 wmarone: is MeeGo on the N900 not a Nokia branded install? or do you me an "out of box MeeGo product" scenario? Oct 05 03:34:07 it is not a nokia branded install Oct 05 03:34:24 and you will probably see it on out of the box meego products Oct 05 03:35:25 ok Oct 05 03:35:58 and meego 1.1 isn't quite ready for general use (doubly so on android devices.) Oct 05 03:37:23 MeeGo will be released for Android devices? ... that'll be interesting Oct 05 03:43:56 likely people will port it to some android devices Oct 05 03:44:17 probably be biggest blocker will be whether there's open drivers for the modem Oct 05 03:46:07 graphics are as much a blocker, if not moreso Oct 05 03:46:43 if MeeGo were ported to the Moto Droid I'd be rather happy :) Oct 05 03:46:59 well, it could probably run with most of what's used for the N900 now Oct 05 03:48:18 of course, only the DROID Oct 05 03:48:24 and no other Motorola devices Oct 05 03:49:10 MeeGo ports to some android devices has already started. The modem part is fine for qualcomm choosers, one could almost argue its more open than the n900's modem but anyway. Oct 05 03:49:19 Chipsets * Oct 05 03:49:24 yeah ... this is the last moto device I purchase even if MeeGo and I don't get along and I stick with Android .... Moto is dead to me Oct 05 03:49:54 TermanaDesire: any info on the status of these ports anywhere? Oct 05 03:50:04 But nothing for the Droid. Oct 05 03:50:36 maxamillion: wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD Oct 05 03:50:39 bummer Oct 05 03:51:19 the DROID is so similar to the N900, a port should be (relatively) trivial Oct 05 03:51:50 oh yeah, I forgot the n900 was the OMAP3 spec also Oct 05 03:52:00 indeed Oct 05 03:52:32 wmarone: not really. They share a lot of things including the omap chip being used but you need to look at the complete picture Oct 05 03:53:07 Probably easier than other non-omap ports but still not what I would call "easy" Oct 05 03:53:39 TermanaDesire: which is why I said (relatively) Oct 05 03:53:54 it's not free or -easy- but it's not jumping chipsets entirely Oct 05 03:54:45 that said, I wouldn't bother supporting anything Motorola, considering their attitude Oct 05 03:55:48 wmarone: or do it just to piss them off :P Oct 05 03:56:00 nah, it might encourage people to mistakenly buy their hardware Oct 05 03:56:23 wmarone: ah, good poitn Oct 05 03:56:26 point( Oct 05 03:56:28 .... Oct 05 03:56:40 I swear I can type ... sometimes Oct 05 03:56:54 friendly reminder that the community office meeting starts in an hour for anyone who is interested in attending. Oct 05 03:56:55 http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings Oct 05 04:32:50 late night meeting? Oct 05 04:35:07 alright I'll log the meeting :) Oct 05 04:48:34 morning Oct 05 05:01:28 afternoon Oct 05 05:01:47 night :) Oct 05 05:02:18 community office meeting starting now in #meego-meeting http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meeting Oct 05 05:31:32 there's a community meeting? man, i must have woken up late :) Oct 05 05:34:22 Stskeeps: we're moving this meeting - we made it for this time because people from Asia said they wanted to attend Oct 05 05:34:31 but they aren't actually attending :) Oct 05 05:34:39 we Oct 05 05:34:42 oopes Oct 05 05:34:49 * Stskeeps clings to his coffeee Oct 05 05:34:53 we'll go back to 14:00 and 19:00 UTC Oct 05 05:48:29 hi, I just installed MeeGo on my hp mini and now it just hangs at a black screen. Anyone know how to fix it? Oct 05 05:49:31 hp mini? Oct 05 05:49:42 what model? Oct 05 05:51:54 110-3030nr Oct 05 05:51:55 what graphics card? Oct 05 05:52:03 looking now Oct 05 05:52:33 minimum system requirements here: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_FAQ#Will_MeeGo_work_on_my_netbook.3F Oct 05 05:53:00 Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3150 Oct 05 05:55:00 looks like it has been user verified to work..still can't find anything about the black screen though Oct 05 05:56:36 which image did you install? Oct 05 06:00:11 meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1 Oct 05 06:00:22 I shut it off and turned it back on, seems to be working now :) Oct 05 07:02:14 Hi, sdk repo http://download.meego.com/live/Tools:/SDK/Trunk/ does not exist (it's pointed http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools). Does anyone know what the correct repo url is at the moment? Oct 05 07:30:08 I'm trying to compile the meego kernel through rpmbuild, but I'm getting an error saying BUILDROOT/kernel-{$version}/boot/vmlinuz-{$version} and indeed the whole BUILDROOT folder is empty. Any ideas? Oct 05 08:43:53 DawnFoster: hi, sorry to be bothering you directly... can you tell me if all sponsorship approvals/denials for speakers have been sent out? I have an accepted session proposal but no info on whether I'm eligible for sponsorship or not? Oct 05 08:44:28 think she's asleep Oct 05 08:45:02 right... -0600... Oct 05 08:53:51 We're having another meeting this even to discuss the remainder of approvals, hopefully we'll be sending out details soon Oct 05 08:54:44 slaine: how many slots are left? Oct 05 08:55:19 Wouldn't be fair to say until we're finished Oct 05 08:55:41 fair enough Oct 05 09:04:17 hey. can someone tell me what a recommended device for meego? Oct 05 09:05:08 I'd really like to see a Buteo session... Oct 05 09:08:47 fabiand: Handset or Netbook? Oct 05 09:09:06 Jaffa, handset Oct 05 09:15:48 Do I have to register for the sessions? Or can I simply walk in and take part? Oct 05 09:15:59 you need to sign up for the conference in general but it's free Oct 05 09:16:05 cos of fire authorities there's a limit Oct 05 09:16:22 I already signed up and booked flight and Hotel ;) Oct 05 09:16:31 no problems then Oct 05 09:16:59 So no need for signing up to the sessions itself?! Oct 05 09:17:09 you walk around at the conference Oct 05 09:38:42 hey all! Oct 05 09:42:04 does anybody know when version 1.1 will show up? Oct 05 09:42:37 on schedule, it's fixed release schedule Oct 05 09:44:07 just found "october" Oct 05 09:44:41 end of month, check http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1 Oct 05 09:46:55 nicy nice, Stskeeps Oct 05 09:47:16 thanks Stskeeps Oct 05 10:44:36 anyone seen this ? - http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/nokias-meego-chief-resigns/ Oct 05 10:44:51 yeah Oct 05 10:46:08 wow :) Oct 05 10:47:19 oh... Oct 05 10:47:27 hehe Oct 05 10:47:42 RST38h: do you have jabber account btw? :) Oct 05 10:48:42 wazd: No, but I have got a gtalk one Oct 05 10:48:59 RST38h: cause we are currently having hot OMW discussion with chair throwing and gunfire :D Oct 05 10:49:36 wazd: should have done it on IRC :) Oct 05 10:50:56 http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/10/04/shootout-nokia-n8-v-canon-550d-dslr/ Oct 05 10:55:04 pexi: Short answer: N8 is not a DSLR. Oct 05 10:55:31 550d pics are pretty crap by default in that test Oct 05 10:58:32 RST38h, and he didn't even take any shots of anything moving fast or from indoors Oct 05 10:58:51 Does not matter Oct 05 11:00:11 the N8 is very impressive, but still not a DSLR Oct 05 11:00:34 I think my 6220c has the same number of MP as my Nikon D70 Oct 05 11:01:39 if I want to take great pictures I'll use my DSLR, if I'm out an about and see something cool, I'll use my phone Oct 05 11:05:03 that's depressing, two N8 phones are worth more than my car :/ Oct 05 11:05:15 change your car ? :p Oct 05 11:06:22 but i like my car Oct 05 11:06:40 CosmoHill, but your car doesn't look as good as the N8 Oct 05 11:06:48 attach a N8 to your car Oct 05 11:06:56 so it can worth at least as much as a single N8 Oct 05 11:07:09 N8 is a gps, too Oct 05 11:07:18 hi all, do you think meego will be on N8? Oct 05 11:07:24 no Oct 05 11:07:24 so does my 6220c :) Oct 05 11:07:34 "The N8 will be the first device by Nokia with the Symbian^3 operating system." Oct 05 11:07:42 you will never see meego on N8 Oct 05 11:07:43 sda1986: I just happen to have wikipedia open Oct 05 11:09:24 sda1986: buy an N900 or wait for the N9 if you want a meego device Oct 05 11:09:25 with N900 i can upload the firmware I want is it right? so if someone create a special firmware \ os he can use it on n900, is n8 different than n900? Oct 05 11:09:47 yep Oct 05 11:10:20 firmware needs to be signed on N8 Oct 05 11:11:00 this to stop 3rd parties? Oct 05 11:11:24 well for warranty issue Oct 05 11:11:35 N8 is a phone for everyone Oct 05 11:11:43 N900 is a phone for people who like to hack :p Oct 05 11:12:04 will the n900 be cheaper now? Oct 05 11:12:10 no idea Oct 05 11:12:14 good, ok thanks to everybody Oct 05 11:12:52 i'm not inside nokia :p Oct 05 11:14:38 * CosmoHill posts vlj to nokia Oct 05 11:15:36 * vlj find Espoo is so cold in Fall Oct 05 11:16:02 packing form is a very good insulator Oct 05 11:43:55 http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/wetab-boss-helmut-hoffer-caught-posting-five-star-amazon-reviews/ Oct 05 11:44:17 thiago, ping Oct 05 11:44:21 [insert satanic laughter] Oct 05 11:45:16 caught red handed while astroturfing :] Oct 05 11:52:56 RST38h: Should be easy to spot, cos they're the only positive reviews for it... Oct 05 11:53:49 lcuk: pong Oct 05 11:54:15 I've heard that the wetab sold well in Germany, but this article on engadget tells the opposite Oct 05 11:55:20 the ui was faked ? Oct 05 11:55:56 thiago, PM >> Oct 05 11:56:53 * thiago goes to window 44 Oct 05 11:56:56 meego-qa-tools meeting at #meego-meeting in 5 mins. welcome Oct 05 12:57:04 lcuk / Stskeeps / someone... Oct 05 12:57:12 there really needs to be an *easy* way for me to find sources Oct 05 12:57:25 yes, a map :) Oct 05 12:57:36 ideally once my computer (mxr.meego.com) finds sources, no one else needs to, since they can merely find everything by visiting mxr Oct 05 12:57:52 and mxr can help them find the canonical dvcs point or whatever Oct 05 12:58:07 the way people hide stuff in gitorious is painful Oct 05 12:58:10 timeless_mbp: extracting srpm is the usual way Oct 05 12:58:20 timeless_mbp: agreed Oct 05 12:58:24 Stskeeps: mxr already does that Oct 05 12:58:25 timeless_mbp, Oct 05 12:58:32 mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/ <-- Oct 05 12:58:33 mxr can list its sources? Oct 05 12:58:49 which server tags/branches etc it used? Oct 05 12:58:55 lcuk: for dvcs based things it tends to have links back to things yeah Oct 05 12:59:17 I know raptor can Oct 05 12:59:25 meeting minutes at http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools#Meetings Oct 05 12:59:48 lcuk: http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/LICENSE click "HG Log" Oct 05 13:00:04 that's a link back from the cross reference to the vcs upstream Oct 05 13:00:14 it can expose that info however people like Oct 05 13:00:31 but at least in mozilla land we generally only expose it via file specific links Oct 05 13:01:04 it would be better if the official builder offered those urls Oct 05 13:01:17 then, you could use those to populate mxr Oct 05 13:01:22 or they could be used by others Oct 05 13:01:33 making open source, accessible source! :P Oct 05 13:02:25 well, i'm not picky about how we get whereever Oct 05 13:02:45 indeed timeless_mbp Oct 05 13:03:09 i do need to find someone soonish to start working on setting up a box @OSU Oct 05 13:04:37 timeless_mbp, how is the backlog after a whole month out? and have you written up your travel report about limitations and features on the handset Oct 05 13:05:42 priority inbox says 11,971 messages Oct 05 13:06:01 i'm not sure how compatible that is w/ my actual reading list fwiw Oct 05 13:06:16 the real number might be closer to 14 or 15k Oct 05 13:06:36 around 500-600 messages in 3 mailinglists Oct 05 13:06:42 and 6 or so items from the work mailbox Oct 05 13:06:50 but i caught up on work yesterday Oct 05 13:06:59 travel report … maybe tomorrow Oct 05 13:07:04 i need to go visit people now Oct 05 13:40:19 I created my OBS instance and compiled MeeGo 1.0 Core, but I've got 24 unresolvable packages that are compiled although OBS has marked them as unresolvable, the OBS error message is: "have choice for udev-rules needed by udev: udev-rules-netbook udev-rules-nokia-n900", any idea? Oct 05 13:40:43 you need to put in the proper prjconf Oct 05 13:40:49 it's on gitorious Oct 05 13:41:43 Stskeeps: I'm using MeeGo:1.0:Core prjconf file from gitorious Oct 05 13:41:54 hmm Oct 05 13:41:56 ah Oct 05 13:41:57 well Oct 05 13:42:03 that's because we were dirty for 1.0 Oct 05 13:42:08 add a Prefer: udev-rules-netbook Oct 05 13:42:09 to prjconf Oct 05 13:50:09 Stskeeps: ok, thanks Oct 05 13:53:06 Another doubt, if I want to compile MeeGo to other architecture (not i586 or arm), can I edit only prjconf file to use my cross compiler? Or I have to edit all the packages? Oct 05 13:54:55 Stskeeps: why don't you fix prjconf file? Oct 05 13:55:46 fcocuadrado: situation was stupid.. we had a discussion ongoing regarding big repos vs small hw repos and we had to manually merge devel:devices:n900 into the 1.0 release Oct 05 13:55:50 ie, copying in rpms Oct 05 14:08:02 how do I bring up an interface from commandline on meego? Oct 05 14:08:17 does anybody know about any better channel for help with syncing N900/Maemo with syncevolution (which is a meego project, isn't it?) to synevolution as HTTP server? Oct 05 14:08:59 mcepl: #maemo Oct 05 14:09:10 maemo != meego Oct 05 14:09:30 OK, thanks Oct 05 14:09:45 smoku: "startmeego" ? Oct 05 14:10:02 CosmoHill, sorry. _network_ interface :) Oct 05 14:10:23 it should be started automatically Oct 05 14:11:21 that's not really an answer to my question Oct 05 14:11:26 try Oct 05 14:11:34 /etc/init.d/networking Oct 05 14:11:54 maybe "ifconfig" or "ip addr" Oct 05 14:11:58 isn't there something along the lines 'ifup usb0' ? Oct 05 14:12:17 ah, I have no idea about usb networking Oct 05 14:12:54 damn... maemo was a lot easier :/ Oct 05 14:18:03 lbt_away, ping me when you are back Oct 05 14:57:40 Stskeeps: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=600514#c19 is shiny Oct 05 14:58:25 yeah.. except it doesn't solve the issue for us, too late to fix gcc for 1.1, well, at least 0908 is where it's at Oct 05 15:00:05 * CosmoHill growls at a K-Level Jump search Oct 05 15:02:02 hi, the MeeGo marketing plan was approved in the CO meeting some hours ago Oct 05 15:02:02 http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing Oct 05 15:02:21 there was not so much people at that time, if you want to ask or comment here and now, please do Oct 05 15:02:35 otherwise your feedback is welcome in the meego-community mailing list, as usual Oct 05 15:03:40 looks good :) looking forward to seeing it in effect Oct 05 15:04:54 Stskeeps: I owe you a reply to your comment about http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/About_Openness Oct 05 15:05:29 no rush, was a bit of a braindump Oct 05 15:07:45 regarding marketing we should really encourage various areas of meego to make demo videos to show platform capab Oct 05 15:08:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U shows how capable meego on n900 is if you put proper gfx drivers to it or your own custom app Oct 05 15:08:35 qgil: can you tell me if all speakers' sponsorship requests have been processed? Oct 05 15:09:29 Saviq: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010#Time_line Oct 05 15:10:15 qgil: yes, that's what I was looking at... I'm an approved speaker and haven't received any information about sponsorship Oct 05 15:11:26 Saviq - I don't remember seeing you in the list of requests Oct 05 15:11:44 that's what I was afraid of :/ Oct 05 15:12:08 saviq - I'm looking into it Oct 05 15:12:11 I definitely checked the box when first registered Oct 05 15:12:21 thank you Oct 05 15:12:34 It looks like you checked the box but didn't make it into our voting spreadsheet Oct 05 15:13:17 Jaffa: ping :) Oct 05 15:13:40 qgil - can you look into why Saviq isn't in the spreadsheet? Oct 05 15:14:09 this is why I was pinging Jaffa , DawnFoster Oct 05 15:15:59 Saviq: can you please paste the url of your session accepted? Oct 05 15:16:11 qgil: http://conference2010.meego.com/session/pushing-meego-internationalization-upstream Oct 05 15:16:25 we'll need to double check the rest of the list, too against the conference website report to see if we're missing anyone else Oct 05 15:17:10 DawnFoster, Up again so soon? :) Oct 05 15:17:33 dneary: I slept in an extra hour! :) Oct 05 15:17:50 DawnFoster, I don't know exactly what the problem is, but it doesn't feel like the real-time community office meetings are working very well any more... do you agree? Oct 05 15:18:02 got up at a leisurely 7am, instead of 6am Oct 05 15:18:34 dneary: the ones we hold at 14:00 UTC seem to go fairly well Oct 05 15:19:03 I think the issue is more with the 05:00 UTC meeting, which we aren't doing anymore (moving back to 19:00 UTC) Oct 05 15:19:17 It seems like a restatement of the goals & a question of assumptions might be useful. If I understand correctly, one of the goals is to increase non-Intel & Nokia participation in general community infrastructure stuff, another is to be transparent about operation & decision making. Oct 05 15:19:44 14h UTC is 8am for you, right? Oct 05 15:19:56 and to keep us organized around tasks with clear owners Oct 05 15:20:00 7am for me Oct 05 15:20:06 hey DawnFoster Oct 05 15:20:08 * CosmoHill offers tea Oct 05 15:20:31 hey CosmoHill - I'm on my second or third cup of tea, so moving to coherence Oct 05 15:20:54 dneary - I would like to get the meetings more focused on getting people involved in CO activities Oct 05 15:21:01 next time I'll bring a pot Oct 05 15:21:29 DawnFoster, I wonder if meetings will help with that Oct 05 15:21:36 I've been pushing on people to include specific to do lists where people can get involved, but that's been harder for some than others Oct 05 15:21:49 DawnFoster, Real-time communications makes it harder, not easier, to get involved Oct 05 15:21:57 dneary - one way, but certainly not the only way to get involved Oct 05 15:22:12 DawnFoster, The weekend's coming along, by the way Oct 05 15:22:24 some people do better in meetings, some better in mailing lists / forums - the meetings aren't the only way to get involved Oct 05 15:22:41 I have someone who's prepared to help out with developer tools training and a trainer from KDAB who is prepared to do Qt training on Sunday morning 10am Oct 05 15:23:11 great! I've been following along and it looks like we're making good progress Oct 05 15:23:18 I'm looking forward to it Oct 05 15:23:53 I posted a news item to the front page of the conference site yesterday about the early bird events: http://conference2010.meego.com/ Oct 05 15:24:19 and made them not tentative on the schedule: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/tentative-schedule Oct 05 15:24:54 Thanks :) Oct 05 15:25:27 we're also getting ready to rename that tentative schedule to something less tentative and make it the main landing page for the program section Oct 05 15:25:34 So far we have volunteers to organise the makers contest, geocache, Qt, devel tools - still looking for volunteers for getting started with the meego SDK Oct 05 15:26:11 But I'm not going to do anything for the workshops (gotta leave something for Andrea!) Oct 05 15:26:30 I arrive early on Saturday morning, so I should be able to attend the whole weekend Oct 05 15:27:46 I think we still need to check with Amy to make sure that the rooms she's tentatively set aside are going to work for what you need. Oct 05 15:28:01 it would help to have a clear section on that wiki page with all of your needs Oct 05 15:28:14 rooms that fit x people, power, wifi, etc. Oct 05 15:28:22 Great! I'm just booking my flight Oct 05 15:28:45 And I'm taking care of glue guns (10 of them) and lollipop sticks for a bridge building contest Oct 05 15:29:05 I still need to get a weighing scales we can use to find the winner Oct 05 15:29:12 ooh, meetings Oct 05 15:29:17 DawnFoster: where are the minutes? Oct 05 15:29:30 DawnFoster, hehe - no idea, really Oct 05 15:29:47 DawnFoster, Basically, 2 rooms with space for ~20 people each Oct 05 15:30:04 dneary: yeah, but this needs to be in the wiki page Oct 05 15:30:11 Chani: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/ probably? Oct 05 15:30:14 I *think* it is Oct 05 15:30:35 I'm not finding it Oct 05 15:30:54 we need a section for requirements / logisitics / something to make it easy to find Oct 05 15:31:23 Chani: meetings from community office meetings - http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings#Past_meetings Oct 05 15:31:51 there are also a bunch of other team meetings: sdk, localization, TSG, etc. scattered around the wiki Oct 05 15:31:59 thanks :) Oct 05 15:36:29 DawnFoster, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Early_Bird_Events#Provisional_program <= Better for you? Oct 05 15:56:22 hey guys Oct 05 15:56:33 i have meego runing on htc universal :D Oct 05 15:57:03 i have problems with DRI stuff i think Oct 05 15:57:39 Stskeeps, are you there, master? Oct 05 15:58:31 you think that i can run moblin interface on fbdev in any way? Oct 05 16:02:57 dneary: what we need is something that Amy can take to the hotel to make sure you have space that works for your event. Oct 05 16:03:17 dneary: the more you leave up for interpretation the less likely you are to get space that will work Oct 05 16:03:21 DawnFoster, I'd love your advice on what kind of space works best for this Oct 05 16:03:38 Ignite Portland has had a Makers Contest, hasn't it? Oct 05 16:03:41 for example, do you need chairs, tables, open spaces, power, wiki Oct 05 16:03:44 oops, wifi Oct 05 16:03:52 don't assume that you'll have all of that Oct 05 16:04:22 to be honest, we're so busy organizing the other conference activities that we don't have much time to work on this Oct 05 16:10:02 Stskeeps, can i include the updated gfx drivers in 1.1.80 ready made image, or i gotta build my own? Oct 05 16:10:40 th3hate: it's a development thing so let me get it into proper shape. we're planning to properly integrate it in 1.2 but we need it into kernel first Oct 05 16:10:48 qgil: pong - saviq doesn't appear to appear on mshaver's report. Oct 05 16:11:15 Jaffa: see my mail checking similar databases Oct 05 16:11:46 anyway, let's add saviq manually Oct 05 16:12:29 Stskeeps, is it true that 1.1 final wont support Qt apps or net over 3G? Oct 05 16:14:07 dneary: nope - they do the makers contest in Seattle Oct 05 16:14:22 I have a mental image of how it should work Oct 05 16:14:39 dneary: we just encourage people to hang out, drink beer and chat with each other before Ignite Portland :) Oct 05 16:15:21 Basically, take your typical foyer, set up ~10 tables for contest participants, rope that area off, and ensure there's beer for people who aren't participating Oct 05 16:16:51 dneary, so you'll need to specify both the requirements for the day activities (sessions) and the evening activities Oct 05 16:17:06 ok, I have to drop offline for an hour or so. Oct 05 16:17:07 th3hate: first one no, second one - no ui Oct 05 16:17:22 Stskeeps, How about you for the getting started with meego on arm tutorial? Oct 05 16:17:35 dneary: i arrive sunday afternoon, tickets already booked Oct 05 16:17:44 Eeep Oct 05 16:17:46 What time? Oct 05 16:19:19 2pm or so landing, then going to hotel Oct 05 16:19:35 Stskeeps, last quesion :P, will you include the updated gfx in 1.1.80.1 ? Oct 05 16:20:02 th3hate: that's the 1.2 track and yes, once 1) it's approved for kernel inclusion and 2) they're stable enough to not cause regressions Oct 05 16:20:26 I now know that wpa_supplicant is invoked by dbus, but I I can't find where the wpa_supplicant command line is in dbus config. I want to add a -d flag to wpa_supplicant invokation and get more debug info. Oct 05 16:30:44 DawnFoster, Are the requirements & session descriptions I put up on the website OK? One room for ~30 people in classroom format for tutorials (with overhead projector) and one room for ~30 people in workgroup format (breaking into round-tables of 5-6 people) Oct 05 17:51:22 * CosmoHill jumps on TSCHAKeee2 Oct 05 17:51:33 unf Oct 05 17:51:37 wth? Oct 05 17:51:48 :P Oct 05 17:54:03 * CosmoHill offers coffee in an attempt to make him spell Oct 05 17:54:51 hey timeless_mbp Oct 05 17:54:55 you back home? Oct 05 17:58:36 yep Oct 05 17:58:42 got home sunday night Oct 05 18:57:51 DawnFoster: i'm not sure if i want to ask about TSG meeting tomorrow or not so i'll just say good luck in confirming :) Oct 05 18:58:35 Stskeeps: ha! yep, still working on it. I think we'll have it, but with fewer agenda items than anticipated, since some of them weren't ready Oct 05 18:58:53 alright :) Oct 05 19:01:20 will we be having the comunity build server domain discuessed in tomorrows TSG?\ Oct 05 19:03:05 isnt that CO area? Oct 05 19:04:17 probably Oct 05 19:07:25 DawnFoster: do I need to ping you / someone else again about my sponsorship issue or wait patiently now that you have your eye on it? Oct 05 19:10:34 hmm Oct 05 19:10:46 a lot of people seem to like *.community.meego.com Oct 05 19:11:41 arfoll suggested *.extra.meego.com and lindqvust suggested "desk" and "space" Oct 05 19:17:41 lbt_away: you about Oct 05 19:17:49 never mind your name says otherwise Oct 05 19:24:53 Hi wazd Oct 05 19:25:35 fiferboy: wow! Heya! How's it going? :) Oct 05 19:26:35 wazd: heya, still want that meeting? Oct 05 19:26:40 wazd: Not bad. Hard to find free time nowadays :) Oct 05 19:27:15 RST38h: Vlad and Paver are offline now unfortunately Oct 05 19:27:17 Saviq: we have our eye on it and plan to talk about it in a meeting later today Oct 05 19:27:29 ok thank you Oct 05 19:27:33 fiferboy: ah, new job? :) Oct 05 19:28:19 wazd: Yup. Between that and the kids most of my time is accounted for Oct 05 19:34:44 Stskeeps: I'm thinking, on thursday take all the suggested names and create a new thread on the forum with a poll :) Oct 05 19:40:44 wazd: How are things with you? Oct 05 19:41:43 fiferboy: well, hardworking on everything I can :) As always :) Oct 05 19:42:05 fiferboy: trying to get to the conference :) Oct 05 19:42:55 wazd: What is the likelyhood at this point? Oct 05 19:43:07 fiferboy: visa :) Oct 05 19:44:26 fiferboy: it's a bit tricky to get there from russia :) Oct 05 19:44:53 wazd: I gathered from your previous attempts. Are you hopeful this time? Oct 05 19:45:15 fiferboy: yep :) Oct 05 19:45:30 Saviq: we found the problem - you also need to make sure that you are registered for the conference to attend at least one day Oct 05 19:45:42 am I not? Oct 05 19:45:54 I think you submitted your presentation and request for sponsorship, but for some reason, you aren't showing up as registered. Oct 05 19:46:13 on your account page, you should see several checkboxes for the days you plan to attend Oct 05 19:46:21 I think you just need to tick those boxes. Oct 05 19:46:35 regardless, we'll get you in the list to consider Oct 05 19:46:41 fiferboy, howdy Oct 05 19:46:50 DawnFoster: I have all three checked... Oct 05 19:46:55 should I submit again? Oct 05 19:47:07 Hi GAN900, how's it going? Oct 05 19:47:29 fiferboy, good. Got playoff tickets for Thursday. :D Oct 05 19:48:18 Saviq: yeah, try to sign up here: http://conference2010.meego.com/meego-conference-2010-signup Oct 05 19:48:32 might just be some weird obscure bug in the site Oct 05 19:48:48 done Oct 05 19:49:13 GAN900: :P Oct 05 19:49:23 Next year Toronto will make it Oct 05 19:49:24 it definitely looks different (I can only cancel my signup now) but all the info was there prefilled, so it must've been sumbitted, too Oct 05 19:53:38 fiferboy, I don't doubt it. Oct 05 19:53:51 fiferboy, AL East is going to be a meatgrinder next year. Oct 05 19:54:05 Orioles are going to destroy. Oct 05 19:54:10 Saviq: yeah, I'm pretty sure you submitted it, but it was somehow lost Oct 05 19:54:37 DawnFoster: ok thank you Oct 05 19:54:40 I wouldn't be surprised to see Jay/Orioles/Rays winning the division and one of the other two in the wildcard. Oct 05 19:55:05 GAN900: It depends on lot on what off-season moves the Jays make, but I think the opportunity is there Oct 05 19:55:35 fiferboy, bullpen is key. Oct 05 19:55:42 Clearly they can produce the runs. Oct 05 19:55:53 Defense is decent, too. Oct 05 19:56:21 GAN900: They have to find a first baseman and figure out to do at catcher as well Oct 05 19:56:26 Then there is the whole manager thing... Oct 05 19:56:45 fiferboy, yeah, that could be trouble. Oct 05 19:57:09 does anyone have a roundup of the devices meegotouch runs *happily* on? Oct 05 19:57:40 None? Oct 05 19:57:42 Avaa? Oct 05 19:57:55 anything bigger? Oct 05 19:58:25 will this wepad thing run it? Oct 05 19:58:45 tab thing Oct 05 20:01:26 i tried running handset on the archos9 with emgd Oct 05 20:01:31 mcompositor shits a brick Oct 05 20:01:46 the time I DID get it running, was with 1.0.80.20100827.1 Oct 05 20:01:59 and mcompositor and the emgd did not get along Oct 05 20:02:05 thanks for data point TSCHAKeee2 Oct 05 20:02:06 black flashing of screen Oct 05 20:02:09 corruption Oct 05 20:02:22 * CosmoHill looks at MobiGo Oct 05 20:02:23 or sorry, 0727 Oct 05 20:03:52 and what runs real netbook meego best? i mean the genuine moblin backed original classic? Oct 05 20:04:26 atom CPUs with Intel 9xx GPUs Oct 05 20:05:16 any with touch screens? actual device models not just chips Oct 05 20:05:39 netbook isn't really meant for touchscreens Oct 05 20:05:44 ie can I put it on a lenovo tablet? Oct 05 20:06:00 but theres no point in buying myself new hardware without touchscreen Oct 05 20:06:20 non-touch computers are a regression Oct 05 20:06:37 even my spectrum had light pen :P Oct 05 20:07:25 lcuk: how about a HP tablet? Oct 05 20:07:33 CosmoHill, yeah they are dual mode too Oct 05 20:07:34 friend at uni has one Oct 05 20:07:35 but expensive Oct 05 20:07:46 they are capacitive and have a stylus Oct 05 20:07:50 i think anyway Oct 05 20:07:57 his one does have a stylus Oct 05 20:08:08 and I know you can use it without stylus too Oct 05 20:08:12 it's basically a tablet which a screen that rotates Oct 05 20:08:21 yeah i nearly got one at start of the year Oct 05 20:08:28 but chose a 20" allinone instead Oct 05 20:08:32 thats now been stolen! Oct 05 20:08:34 oh yeah: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=10661#post10661 Oct 05 20:08:46 hi all Oct 05 20:08:49 hello Oct 05 20:09:12 does anybody know how to fix the certification-problem? Oct 05 20:09:17 Hello Oct 05 20:10:09 mece: hello Oct 05 20:10:14 AlexAnteMachina: huh? Oct 05 20:10:29 well, maybe i should start from the beginning: Oct 05 20:10:48 Today I've install meego on my netbook. Oct 05 20:10:57 Quick question, on this page: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Releases/Daily It says "Unfortunately no ready-made daily images for Nokia N900 are currently available. " Oct 05 20:11:09 it does Oct 05 20:11:10 but that is exactly what is here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.99/1.0.99.0.20101001.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ Oct 05 20:11:15 isn't it? Oct 05 20:11:22 nope, that's a weekly IIRC Oct 05 20:11:30 ok... Oct 05 20:12:49 so we have a page for daily, but not for weekly, and there are prebuilt weeklys but not dailys. AmIright? Oct 05 20:13:06 correct Oct 05 20:13:21 now everytime i try updating/installing it bothers me by telling the software's certification is incorrect. Oct 05 20:13:49 Hm Perhaps there could be a link under "Releases" for the weeklys Oct 05 20:13:55 on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 Oct 05 20:14:08 well, the wiki is open for editing :) Oct 05 20:14:33 wmarone, yes, That is exactly what I'm doing, I just don't want to put the wrong info there. Oct 05 20:15:11 mece i bet those weekly/daily links need something automatic Oct 05 20:15:24 or to point to a general url which is a symlink for "today" Oct 05 20:15:30 or "latest" etc Oct 05 20:15:53 lcuk, meh. I was annoyed that I didn't find it right away. I think I'll make a link for http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ Oct 05 20:16:21 lcuk, if you don't know what number comes before another, then it's your own problem. Oct 05 20:16:44 :) sounds like a good compromise to me mece Oct 05 20:28:30 ok, done. Oct 05 20:36:05 vgrade: just emailed uni about a room at cambridge Oct 05 21:02:15 how do you guys feel about ari quitting? Oct 05 21:03:19 N900revenge: i'll take his job if they ask me Oct 05 21:03:24 Dunno, could be a good shift, could be bad. Oct 05 21:03:32 Depending on who replaces him. Oct 05 21:03:33 Hi, where I can find qflasher tool? Oct 05 21:03:39 abandoning sinking ship it seems...i guess winmo7 is coming maybe? Oct 05 21:03:57 I always get the impression he was stuck in the open source of 2004. Oct 05 21:04:00 patryk: there's links on the wiki to the download site Oct 05 21:04:05 N900revenge, don't troll. Oct 05 21:04:14 troll? Oct 05 21:04:28 N900revenge, yes, troll. Don't play dumb. Oct 05 21:05:37 I can understand people asking about it, just ignore it, discussing it doesn't help much Oct 05 21:05:45 i was asking a legitimate question about a man leaving who brought nokia maemo Oct 05 21:06:04 the truth is, we don't know what to say Oct 05 21:06:08 there is nothing TO say Oct 05 21:06:11 it won't change how meego works probably Oct 05 21:06:28 but it cant be good Oct 05 21:06:35 err, it can be anything Oct 05 21:06:37 we don't know yet Oct 05 21:06:42 perhaps it can be great Oct 05 21:06:47 only time will tell Oct 05 21:06:52 the next ari might be great Oct 05 21:06:59 lets not be silly.... it cant be good Oct 05 21:07:09 please stop being an idiot. Oct 05 21:07:21 we can't speculate at this point. Oct 05 21:07:28 only time will tell. please go and discuss it on slashdot instead? Oct 05 21:07:46 it is all too tempting to be an armchair pundit. Oct 05 21:07:48 a guy that spent over 10 years working on shit all of a sudden packs his shit up and leaves....what do you call that? Oct 05 21:07:53 please Oct 05 21:08:12 N900revenge: the creator of Mystery Science Theater 3000 left, after 5 years on the show. Oct 05 21:08:18 N900revenge: the show had another 5 years. Oct 05 21:08:23 N900revenge, corporate politics? Oct 05 21:08:39 nokia is cleaning house....ari was pushed to leave....dont be naive....winmo7 or android is coming Oct 05 21:08:47 N900revenge: don't troll Oct 05 21:09:11 new topic please Oct 05 21:09:14 Go go go Oct 05 21:09:22 you guys dont want to engage in an intelligent conversation? Oct 05 21:09:34 you aren't here to engage in an intelligent conversation Oct 05 21:09:35 this isn't intelligent conversation. Oct 05 21:09:38 yes we do, that's why we go to the nex ttopic Oct 05 21:09:47 it is mindless speculation. Oct 05 21:09:47 pray tell Oct 05 21:09:56 it is "OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING!" Oct 05 21:10:17 right....and speculation is what fuels conversation no? Oct 05 21:10:17 * wmarone wonders which prior troll N900revenge is Oct 05 21:10:34 * TSCHAKeee2 sighs. Oct 05 21:10:43 N900revenge: politely, I request you to drop the subject. Oct 05 21:10:44 where do these people come from? Oct 05 21:11:46 or will you lot be running around like chickens with their heads cut off pretending that 3 senior managers quitting is good news? Oct 05 21:12:09 unreal Oct 05 21:12:31 I apologize Oct 05 21:12:48 I hate making bans, don't make me do that Oct 05 21:12:53 are you proud of yourself? Oct 05 21:12:57 ban him Oct 05 21:13:04 * CosmoHill puts on his devil suit Oct 05 21:13:17 fanboys are amusing Oct 05 21:13:56 N900revenge: quite simply, if I wanted an Android device I'd have one, and WP7 is garbage. Whatever will happen, will happen. The end. Oct 05 21:14:12 fair point Oct 05 21:14:13 now then, the topic at hand: MeeGo Oct 05 21:14:35 but meego was ari...so ari is the topic no? Oct 05 21:14:46 nope Oct 05 21:14:49 Is there anyone who knows, where I can find QFlasher tool ? :) Oct 05 21:17:26 I sooo hate making bans, especially with pidgin not knowing /ban or /kickban Oct 05 21:19:30 fyi I'm gonna keep the devil suit on for now Oct 05 21:20:14 CosmoHill: bsd is off-topic here Oct 05 21:20:31 fair enough Oct 05 21:20:34 linux has daemons too :P Oct 05 21:21:07 CosmoHill: so, unless your name is 'ceren' better wear something else ;) Oct 05 21:31:06 alright I'm on xchat now Oct 05 21:31:17 at least I can do proper bans and whatnot Oct 05 21:31:32 yay Oct 05 21:32:09 so we have to behave now ? Oct 05 21:32:24 well Oct 05 21:32:36 I don't mind heated discussions Oct 05 21:32:58 I do mind new people coming in and trying to stir things up Oct 05 21:34:01 finally wound the weekly builds Oct 05 21:34:30 so when I install the 1.0.99, the next release will come 2 days after that Oct 05 21:44:30 * auke tweaks xchat Oct 05 21:45:19 * auke is disgusted Oct 05 21:56:47 auke: sup? Oct 05 21:58:34 xchat instead of pidgin Oct 05 22:18:59 CosmoHill, saw your message earlier, I've not progressed anything so far Oct 05 22:19:28 been working away Oct 05 22:19:37 I've been ill, then busy Oct 05 22:21:25 vgrade|spain_: mcompositor and emgd just do not get along Oct 05 22:21:48 vgrade|spain_: at some point around 2010-07-27 the shaders were changed in such a way that EMGD blows chunks. Oct 05 22:33:17 I just forked myself Oct 05 22:37:49 TSCHAKeee2, my EMGD contact has not replied to my question about EMGD tracking MeeGo Oct 05 23:22:18 cyas **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 06 02:59:57 2010