**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 13 02:59:57 2010
Oct 13 05:52:23 <alan__> eh..
Oct 13 05:52:43 <alan__> can any body tell me how to change my nick name -.-
Oct 13 05:52:49 <Stskeeps>  /nick newnickname
Oct 13 05:52:59 <alan__> great.. thanks bro.
Oct 13 06:09:59 <Stskeeps> morn andre__
Oct 13 06:12:32 <chriadam> congrats on the position becoming official, Stskeeps (MeeGo on n900 platform maintainer)  :-)
Oct 13 06:13:06 <Stskeeps> chriadam: not official yet, but thanks
Oct 13 06:13:47 <ScottishDuck> what does the official part actually mean
Oct 13 06:13:58 <Stskeeps> means it's approved by TSG
Oct 13 06:14:21 <Stskeeps> in practice it doesn't make any difference as work goes on same way it did yesterday
Oct 13 06:21:55 <andre__> heja
Oct 13 06:22:38 <Myrtti> hejssan
Oct 13 06:22:47 <Myrtti> morron everyone
Oct 13 06:24:45 <Stskeeps> morn Myrtti
Oct 13 06:25:38 <kyb3R> hej
Oct 13 06:27:13 <Charubala1920> Hi All
Oct 13 06:27:46 <Stskeeps> hi
Oct 13 06:28:34 <Charubala1920> I would like about the development activities  planned to improve the bluetooth panel. currently available in meego Does anyone aware of it?
Oct 13 06:28:51 <Stskeeps> netbook or handset?
Oct 13 06:29:05 <Charubala1920> netbook
Oct 13 06:29:13 <Stskeeps> ah, out of my league then
Oct 13 06:29:33 <lcuk> morning Stskeeps, #meego \o
Oct 13 06:29:38 <Myrtti> Stskeeps: could've been entertainment system or ivi ;-)
Oct 13 06:29:41 <Myrtti> tsktsk
Oct 13 06:29:53 <Charubala1920> What about tablet?
Oct 13 06:29:58 <Myrtti> ooh, that too
Oct 13 06:31:04 <Stskeeps> ivi uses meegotouchcp- afaik ;)
Oct 13 06:31:15 <Myrtti> yes, including what UX your talking about in the question usually helps. I'm having a strange kind of deja vu. AGAIN.
Oct 13 06:32:33 <TermanaDesire> Morning lcuk
Oct 13 06:33:02 <lcuk> hey TermanaDesire \o
Oct 13 06:33:05 <Charubala1920> Stskeeps, Does meego have anything similar to Blueman
Oct 13 06:33:06 <Charubala1920> ?
Oct 13 06:33:19 <Stskeeps> Charubala1920: i think it's supposed to be handled by connman for some things
Oct 13 06:33:52 <lcuk> Charubala1920, if the weather report is to be believed, everyone in Helsinki will be bluemen!
Oct 13 06:34:09 <lcuk> its going to snow this week according to frals
Oct 13 06:34:29 <Myrtti> lcuk: the FMI says the snowfall will be mostly "academic" kind
Oct 13 06:34:56 <dm8tbr> at least here in Tampere temperatures hover around 0°C and there is no noticeable snowfall predicted
Oct 13 06:35:17 * Myrtti goes to check Hervanta situation
Oct 13 06:35:34 <lcuk> Myrtti, :) snow is snow!
Oct 13 06:35:46 <dm8tbr> Myrtti: http://www.hervanta.com/wx/?aika=1w&l=en
Oct 13 06:36:17 <dm8tbr> live from the h-town watertower :)
Oct 13 06:37:08 <Myrtti> dm8tbr: live from my kitchen, -2C
Oct 13 06:37:14 <Myrtti> (kitchen window)
Oct 13 06:37:16 <dm8tbr> :)
Oct 13 06:37:27 <Myrtti> nice page tho, bookmarked
Oct 13 06:37:50 <Charubala1920> Stskeeps, I heard connman can handle only PAN and DUN. What application will be handling connections to other profiles
Oct 13 06:37:50 <Charubala1920> ?
Oct 13 06:37:57 <Stskeeps> dunno
Oct 13 06:38:06 <dm8tbr> operated by TTRK/OH3TR of TTY
Oct 13 06:38:36 <Myrtti> heh, I can see my house from the header picture
Oct 13 06:39:00 <Myrtti> which isn't really a surprise
Oct 13 06:39:01 <dm8tbr> you can see most of herwood forrest from there
Oct 13 06:42:31 <Charubala1920> Stskeeps, do you know anyone in this ircchannel who is closely working with meego developers?
Oct 13 06:42:32 <dm8tbr> Myrtti: nowadays the watertower is open for the public again, well at least it was a few weeks ago, it might close for the winter. a pizza/kebab place moved in.
Oct 13 06:42:47 <Stskeeps> Charubala1920: i'm one but i'm not involved with netbook side..
Oct 13 06:43:07 <AlanDuan> Hi Stskeeps, I was wondering how to contribute to mcts (meego core test suite) if that is possible.. I can see some test suites existing on http://gitorious.org/qa-tools/mcts/trees/master.
Oct 13 06:43:32 <Stskeeps> timakima, timoph: anything you can guide AlanDuan in the right direction with?
Oct 13 06:44:03 <AlanDuan> Thanks, Stskeeps :)
Oct 13 06:45:04 <Stskeeps> AlanDuan: theoretically it falls under http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines - pretty simple procedure for submitting stuff
Oct 13 06:46:34 <AlanDuan> OK. I am reading it :) Actually this is quite something like what i have done years ago when i got the first job.
Oct 13 06:46:58 <Stskeeps> practically they might take gitorious merge requests too, but i dunno
Oct 13 06:49:23 <AlanDuan> seems so. There are sooo many documents on wiki -.-. I have spent two days reading and still far from being able to do something -.-
Oct 13 06:49:41 <Stskeeps> so what are you hoping to work with/do with meego?
Oct 13 06:53:23 <AlanDuan> Basically id like to start with some (whitebox) testing for UX, middleware, or OS base if that is possible-.-. Hope i can contribute something, at least i could learn from these task, geting more farmiliar with os and platform.
Oct 13 06:53:40 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Oct 13 06:53:43 <Stskeeps> atom or arm?
Oct 13 07:01:24 <AlanDuan> any difference between these two in testing for middleware stack?
Oct 13 07:05:26 <AlanDuan> S?
Oct 13 07:05:37 <Stskeeps> probably not :)
Oct 13 07:07:56 <AlanDuan> I have just one N900, :) hope it will be nice to use.
Oct 13 07:08:13 <timakima> AlanDuan: unfortunately at least i don't know much about mcts
Oct 13 07:08:17 <AlanDuan> Or i will get a netbook someday. lol.
Oct 13 07:09:22 <AlanDuan> Hi tima, i just noticed that they still have something TBD. So i guess there are chance to contribute somehow.
Oct 13 07:19:50 <Myrtti> mmm coffee
Oct 13 07:22:07 <Myrtti> first I was like: "lol no new email from the mailing lists while I was sleeping" and then I went like "oh, I checked my email from bed"
Oct 13 07:27:55 <till-> :)
Oct 13 07:42:34 <Joppeffs> jgjg
Oct 13 07:45:24 <timeless_mbp> hey, does meego have a solution that would let me get a tv recorder that doesn't suck
Oct 13 07:45:37 <timeless_mbp> i came home last night and i had a program that had been recording for a few hours
Oct 13 07:45:40 <Stskeeps> not sure how the amino stuff is
Oct 13 07:45:52 <timeless_mbp> and the status box said it had recorded 0 mins
Oct 13 07:46:14 <timeless_mbp> when the next scheduled recording tried to start, it asked me if i should let it switch, i said yes. but it didn't
Oct 13 07:46:23 <timeless_mbp> when i woke up today, it was still recording
Oct 13 07:54:59 <niala> morning'
Oct 13 08:08:46 <AlanDuan> write a program asking for how much money you want, giving a combobox with options. then pop up a confirm dialog with a perfect 'yes!', then enjoy nothing :)
Oct 13 08:09:40 <AlanDuan> Especially when you file a bug for it, positively you will get something like 'invalid, not implemmented yet -.-'
Oct 13 08:25:54 <timeless_mbp> ??
Oct 13 08:28:56 <niala> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asGDG1-iPXk&feature=related
Oct 13 08:29:04 <niala> woops sorry paste too fast :)
Oct 13 08:29:28 <niala> lalalal lalalal lalalla sorry  :)
Oct 13 08:29:53 <niala> nice day timeless_mbp ?
Oct 13 08:36:37 <niala> 1G of ram is a little just for meego-netbook.
Oct 13 08:36:53 <niala> is swap necessary?
Oct 13 08:37:28 <CosmoHill> I'd always go for swap
Oct 13 08:37:40 <CosmoHill> I'd rather have a slow system than no system
Oct 13 08:41:13 <niala> hello CosmoHill have a nice day
Oct 13 08:41:21 <CosmoHill> hey, I will :)
Oct 13 08:44:35 <FunkyPenguin> anyone know how easy it is to replace the requirement for devkit-power-gobject with upower?
Oct 13 08:50:40 <niala> not me sorry
Oct 13 08:50:59 <Joppeffs> yo
Oct 13 08:51:25 <niala> ya
Oct 13 08:53:27 <achipa> Stskeeps: you up for a weird MeeGo & flashplayer question ?
Oct 13 08:53:52 <Stskeeps> shoot, i'm a bit sleepy though
Oct 13 08:54:05 * CosmoHill offers Stskeeps tea / coffee
Oct 13 08:57:28 <achipa> Stskeeps: I've seen you try and transplant various versions, but did you try the *maemo* 9.something under MeeGo ? I'd try myself but I hosed my handset build this morning :S
Oct 13 08:58:05 <Stskeeps> achipa: it deps on some maemo specific libs afaik
Oct 13 08:58:07 <Stskeeps> check ldd
Oct 13 08:59:24 <achipa> rright (you're not the only one in need of coffee)
Oct 13 09:01:29 * CosmoHill pokes th0br0 
Oct 13 09:29:36 * th0br0 pokes CosmoHill back
Oct 13 09:29:50 <CosmoHill> hey
Oct 13 09:29:57 <CosmoHill> have  you ever done a process ring?
Oct 13 09:37:14 <SwedeMike> a
Oct 13 09:37:16 <SwedeMike> oops
Oct 13 09:53:46 <Myrtti> meh, selective quoting of tweets sucks
Oct 13 10:26:39 <th0br0> oh CosmoHill, sorry i all forgot about this channel. uhm. erlang?
Oct 13 10:26:51 <CosmoHill> c or c++
Oct 13 10:26:53 <th0br0> mh
Oct 13 10:26:59 <th0br0> no
Oct 13 10:27:09 <th0br0> what's it about?
Oct 13 10:27:40 <CosmoHill> i have to make a program that creates X loops with X pipes and does Y circuits with a message
Oct 13 10:28:39 <th0br0> so basically it's all about forking and pipes?
Oct 13 10:29:10 <CosmoHill> yes. forking pipes
Oct 13 10:29:46 <CosmoHill> my first reaction is to put a fork inside a loop
Oct 13 10:30:21 <CosmoHill> hmm
Oct 13 10:30:44 <CosmoHill> I might be able to do that actually with an if statment so the parent creates and kills a new fork each time
Oct 13 10:30:54 <th0br0> but uhm, isn't this all about creating x threads with a corresponding pipe and exchanging messages with them?
Oct 13 10:31:57 <CosmoHill> it would be nice but he wants processes, not threads
Oct 13 10:32:49 <CosmoHill> th0br0: http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/17054
Oct 13 10:33:49 <th0br0> you#re allowed to use pthread?
Oct 13 10:34:10 <th0br0> no no i guess not
Oct 13 10:35:23 <th0br0> so uhm if you're only allowed to use fork() ... yes?
Oct 13 10:35:38 <CosmoHill> yes
Oct 13 10:37:09 <th0br0> I'd do sth like: in main, create the pipes and the like, for each circuit call a function which essentially forks, knows the pipe ids. after forking it calls a new function (I've never really used fork before so i'm not sure whether it'd be wise to fork in the while loop) with the pipe it's supposed to write to / read from and there have it do all the bravado
Oct 13 10:37:16 <th0br0> or why might that failß
Oct 13 10:37:53 <CosmoHill> I've been using forks for about a week so I'm not much better off
Oct 13 10:38:19 <th0br0> :)
Oct 13 10:38:29 <th0br0> but yeah, that's the way i'd do it.
Oct 13 10:39:43 <CosmoHill> if I time out it means i forgot to increment
Oct 13 10:54:57 * CosmoHill had 200 processes called th0br0-ring.cc.out
Oct 13 10:55:59 <th0br0> :)
Oct 13 10:56:05 <th0br0> bt?
Oct 13 10:56:06 <th0br0> *but
Oct 13 10:56:17 <CosmoHill> I'm just realises something >.<
Oct 13 10:56:29 <th0br0> which is?
Oct 13 10:56:56 <CosmoHill> I think I've programmed the process ring, not the number of circuits
Oct 13 10:57:44 <th0br0> that is true :)
Oct 13 10:57:46 * CosmoHill renames some things
Oct 13 10:57:50 <th0br0> as you#re only using one pipe i guess
Oct 13 10:57:58 <th0br0> i think your teacher wants 2 pipes per process
Oct 13 10:58:51 <CosmoHill> oh crap, forgot to incremetn
Oct 13 11:01:46 <CosmoHill> this is confusing cos there is more than one way to do it
Oct 13 11:02:14 <CosmoHill> say he wants 5 processes, does he want them all at the same time? Can I do them one at the time
Oct 13 11:13:33 <CosmoHill> I have an idea to create pipes
Oct 13 11:16:45 <Avinash> hi all
Oct 13 11:20:12 <CosmoHill> oh that's confusing
Oct 13 11:20:24 <CosmoHill> the token is 49 when it should be 50
Oct 13 11:20:36 <CosmoHill> but if I print somethign saying "the token should be this" the token becomes 50
Oct 13 11:28:42 <CosmoHill> oh wow, I think I've made a working vfork :D
Oct 13 11:28:44 <CosmoHill> oh wait
Oct 13 11:29:32 <djszapi> I always forget what I should write into syslog conf to log into my preferred file :)
Oct 13 11:29:58 <djszapi> *.=crit;kern.none            /var/adm/critical
Oct 13 11:30:20 <djszapi> k :)
Oct 13 11:34:10 <pupnik> wb smoku
Oct 13 11:38:45 <smoku> hi pupnik
Oct 13 11:40:42 <Avinash> i have a query regarding using GPS related apis in the emulator...
Oct 13 11:41:03 <Avinash> is there any way to find if my api is working fine..
Oct 13 11:49:15 <andre__> Avinash, what exact "emulator"?
Oct 13 11:51:05 <Avinash> qemu
Oct 13 11:51:40 <Avinash> Andre__ i am looking for qemu
Oct 13 11:52:41 <CosmoHill> lbt: what was the reason it needed to be "*.something.meego.com" ?
Oct 13 11:57:29 <Myrtti> HAA!
Oct 13 11:58:41 <Myrtti> I couldn't help myself, sorry
Oct 13 11:58:45 <Myrtti> *cough*
Oct 13 12:02:10 <Myrtti> sorry CosmoHill
Oct 13 12:02:25 * CosmoHill blinks
Oct 13 12:22:50 <CosmoHill> hey slaine
Oct 13 12:22:56 <slaine> Howdy
Oct 13 12:33:22 <CosmoHill> hey lcuk
Oct 13 12:34:48 <CosmoHill> Myrtti: what does your forum sig do?
Oct 13 12:36:53 <Myrtti> CosmoHill: http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/
Oct 13 12:38:05 <CosmoHill> so I shouldn't have pasted it into bash?
Oct 13 12:38:43 <Myrtti> nope
Oct 13 12:38:47 <mairas> hey, is there anything like packages.debian.org or maemo.org/packages for meego?
Oct 13 12:42:13 <FunkyPenguin> repo.meego.com/MeeGo is about as close as you'll get for now i think
Oct 13 12:44:29 <mairas> FunkyPenguin, not very helpful in deducing package contents and dependencies :-(
Oct 13 12:44:48 <FunkyPenguin> mairas, tell me about it
Oct 13 12:45:14 <FunkyPenguin> you'll have to go through the src repo and have a look at the spec files in the srpms
Oct 13 12:47:35 <CosmoHill> if you have a mac there's a cool program called "The Unarchiver" which will unpack RPM files for you
Oct 13 12:57:27 <CosmoHill> you know you spend to much time programming when instead of saying "I'm going running this afternoon"
Oct 13 12:57:56 <CosmoHill> you go this->afternoon("running");
Oct 13 13:47:19 <arag0rn> Hi, i've tried to look around  gitorious in search for the kernel used for qemugl-x86 .. But I could'nt find it
Oct 13 13:47:26 <arag0rn> is it not available ?
Oct 13 13:47:43 <arag0rn> although i did find some patches on the wiki
Oct 13 15:26:55 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: did you get some really disturbing emails from some 'Coyote Mind' as well?
Oct 13 15:29:18 * qgil just created http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Materials
Oct 13 15:29:31 <qgil> thanks to texrat to push this task!
Oct 13 15:30:15 <qgil> if anybody else picks a task at http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing#Not_committed I can help developing it
Oct 13 15:32:11 <DawnFoster> Just a quick reminder that we will have a TSG today http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings
Oct 13 15:38:50 <cj> hey there
Oct 13 15:39:06 <cj> http://dev.meego.com/community/irc-channel
Oct 13 15:39:10 <cj> 401
Oct 13 15:39:14 <cj> might want to change that
Oct 13 15:39:14 <Stskeeps> www.meego.com ?
Oct 13 15:39:36 <cj> can someone help me get an emulator up and running on squeeze?
Oct 13 15:40:15 <cj> $ sudo apt-get install mic2
Oct 13 15:40:19 <cj> looks like a good start
Oct 13 15:40:33 <cj> this channel is pretty quiet for 472 nicks :)
Oct 13 15:42:31 <cj> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_QEMU
Oct 13 15:42:38 <cj> that looks like a good read
Oct 13 15:42:41 <Stskeeps> it is
Oct 13 15:43:13 <Stskeeps> 17-18 is always a dangerous time here because the US guys are just waking up and having coffee and the europeans are going home :P
Oct 13 15:44:01 <cj> ah, right.  what is that UTC?  15-16 ?
Oct 13 15:44:20 * cj finally got around to installing ntp on the IRC host ;)
Oct 13 15:44:27 <Stskeeps> now :P
Oct 13 16:04:13 <Alison_Chaiken> cj, I found that without qemugl, the tabs on the qemu display of meego come up blank.    I don't think meego works under qemu without qemugl, which the docs don't say.   I'm on x86_64/Fedora 13, so other systems may differ.
Oct 13 16:05:58 <Alison_Chaiken> cj, here are some notes: http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/PCBSD/PCBSD8_under_qemu-kvm.html although I haven't updated them since I figured out how to get root on the image, etc.   I've spent a lot of time trying to get the audio working, as it works on PCBSD under qemu, but not MeeGo.   They may of course have to do with the libraries in the IMG.
Oct 13 16:22:15 <cj> how open is qemugl?
Oct 13 16:24:16 <pupnik> how close are we to a meego image that can drop into a vm and switch between tablet and handset UX?
Oct 13 16:24:24 <pupnik> or isn't that a goal?
Oct 13 16:25:55 <cj> anyone seen the .dsc for qemu-gl?
Oct 13 16:30:10 <cj> thanks, Alison_Chaiken, btw
Oct 13 16:39:31 <townxelliot> cj: GPL v2/LGPL (see http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/meego-emulator-qemugl-x86)
Oct 13 16:44:09 * qgil is happier after removing all orange from http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Meego.com_1.1_update
Oct 13 16:44:52 <cj> great.  seen the .dsc?
Oct 13 17:22:18 <CosmoHill> http://twolumps.net/images/notenoughcoffeeshirt.jpg
Oct 13 17:24:11 <test1> disconnect
Oct 13 18:00:55 <timeless_mbp> help?
Oct 13 18:01:05 <timeless_mbp> i got an email asking me to confirm that i will attend for the session i'm scheduled to do
Oct 13 18:01:17 <timeless_mbp> i went to the conference web site, and can't find the box(es) i'm supposed to click
Oct 13 18:02:40 <andre__> timeless_mbp: http://conference2010.meego.com/user/me -> scroll down to "Session" section at the end and click -> Click "Edit" -> scrll down again
Oct 13 18:03:43 <timeless_mbp> sorry
Oct 13 18:03:50 <timeless_mbp> i scrolled down to the session section
Oct 13 18:04:07 <timeless_mbp> there's no edit link, just an edit link at the top which does nothing
Oct 13 18:04:23 <timeless_mbp> i'm not the person who organized the session, is that relevant?
Oct 13 18:07:13 <andre__> timeless_mbp: shrug - if it does not work for you, it probably is relevant :-P
Oct 13 18:07:36 <timeless_mbp> ok, i'l reply saying i can't find the button
Oct 13 18:26:53 <DawnFoster> TSG meeting starts in 35 minutes http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings in #meego-meeting
Oct 13 18:39:21 <Stskeeps> finally some movement on the hildon/meego situation: http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/2010/10/13/gtkmeego-handset-integration-work-call-for-bids/
Oct 13 18:45:20 <th0br0> nice Stskeeps
Oct 13 18:51:01 <qgil> Stskeeps:  alellujah
Oct 13 18:51:28 * qgil created at stub at http://wiki.meego.com/IOS_to_MeeGo_Porting_Guide
Oct 13 18:51:43 * qgil created another stub at http://wiki.meego.com/Android_to_MeeGo_Porting_Guide
Oct 13 18:59:01 <DawnFoster> Final reminder - TSG starts in 5 minutes in #meego-meeting
Oct 13 19:00:45 <CosmoHill> oh crap
Oct 13 19:01:38 * lbt hunts for his long lost #meego-meeting tab
Oct 13 19:02:07 <Stskeeps> i have 77 irssi windows open, same problem..
Oct 13 19:02:08 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 13 19:02:27 <CosmoHill> want me to poke you so it's highlighted?
Oct 13 19:02:31 <Stskeeps> nah, i'm there
Oct 13 19:03:56 <CosmoHill> DawnFoster: can I post a link to the community OBS domain selection at the end of the meeting?
Oct 13 19:05:14 <DawnFoster> CosmoHill: Not sure it's really relevant for the TSG
Oct 13 19:05:42 <CosmoHill> can I post it after the meeting then?
Oct 13 19:06:20 <lbt> CosmoHill: seems like it belongs in here and on the ml
Oct 13 19:06:25 <lbt> and forum of course
Oct 13 19:07:02 <DawnFoster> CosmoHill: please hold your comments in #meego-meeting
Oct 13 19:07:05 <DawnFoster> :)
Oct 13 19:07:09 <CosmoHill> sorry
Oct 13 19:07:24 <CosmoHill> lbt: you also need to explain why people can't have some domains
Oct 13 19:12:22 <CosmoHill> quick question, who is Carsten?
Oct 13 19:12:24 <Stskeeps> <-
Oct 13 19:12:30 <CosmoHill> thought so
Oct 13 19:13:06 <lbt> DawnFoster: well, I keep saying we need a
Oct 13 19:13:08 <lbt> .
Oct 13 19:13:30 <CosmoHill> lbt: you did what I did, you saw a pause and went for it
Oct 13 19:13:37 <lbt> to indicate we're done.... as it is we have to wait for a lag or a statement like "that's pretty much the agenda for the 1.1 project"
Oct 13 19:13:43 <DawnFoster> the process is the same every time - we let people finish their updates and take questions at the end
Oct 13 19:13:54 <lbt> not realising there's a 1.2 agenda to come
Oct 13 19:14:02 <DawnFoster> I always post when we are ready to take questions
Oct 13 19:14:08 <DawnFoster> you just need to be patient :)
Oct 13 19:14:13 <CosmoHill> bah
Oct 13 19:14:15 <DawnFoster> and wait for me to ask for questions
Oct 13 19:14:21 <DawnFoster> I promise I won't forget
Oct 13 19:34:26 <qgil> Stskeeps has the official record of detailed intro for a MeeGo nominaton  ;)
Oct 13 19:35:57 <harha> Well, he deserved it ;)
Oct 13 19:38:17 <CosmoHill> does this mean Stskeeps will get the money he paid for the n900 refunded? :p
Oct 13 19:38:38 <Stskeeps> i've never paid for a n900 :ducks:
Oct 13 19:38:59 <CosmoHill> hehe
Oct 13 19:39:02 <CosmoHill> I never paid for my phones either
Oct 13 19:39:15 <CosmoHill> dad gets an upgrade or drops it in water and I get it?
Oct 13 19:39:18 <berndhs> will Stskeeps get sole distrubutor rights for MeeGo-N900 for Liechtenstein ?
Oct 13 19:39:57 <th0br0> lol berndhs
Oct 13 19:41:49 * Stskeeps goes update his linkedin..
Oct 13 19:42:03 <CosmoHill> from your n900?
Oct 13 19:42:23 <Stskeeps> it's busy testing meego
Oct 13 19:42:23 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 13 19:42:37 <CosmoHill> it looks like it's having a disco
Oct 13 19:42:47 <harha> Try with MeeGo browser ;o
Oct 13 19:43:39 <Stskeeps> CosmoHill: thanks
Oct 13 19:43:57 <CosmoHill> why am I'm using to having a conversation across channels
Oct 13 19:45:14 <CosmoHill> I have the COBS question but I don't wanna ask if I'm not allowed
Oct 13 19:45:22 <Stskeeps> well, that's something for CO meetings
Oct 13 19:47:17 <CosmoHill> just an update, we have a three way tie for "dev", "pub" and "cobs"
Oct 13 19:47:39 <Stskeeps> developers.developers.developers.meego.com, naturally
Oct 13 19:47:41 <DawnFoster> I don't think we going to be able to use dev
Oct 13 19:47:42 <Stskeeps> ballmer style..
Oct 13 19:48:03 <CosmoHill> yeah I'm thinking about that
Oct 13 19:48:03 <lbt> DawnFoster: there's no technical reason not to
Oct 13 19:48:12 <DawnFoster> it's not a technical issue
Oct 13 19:48:17 <DawnFoster> a human one
Oct 13 19:48:20 <CosmoHill> developer.meego.com is taken
Oct 13 19:48:22 <lbt> api.dev.meego.com and www.dev.meego.com and dev.meego.com
Oct 13 19:48:35 <meegOK> help
Oct 13 19:48:53 <lbt> personally I prefer cobs anyhow
Oct 13 19:48:59 <CosmoHill> lbt: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=11013&postcount=5
Oct 13 19:49:04 <CosmoHill> could you answer this?
Oct 13 19:49:17 <DawnFoster> lbt - I like cobs better, too
Oct 13 19:49:42 <lbt> CosmoHill: Access Denied
Oct 13 19:50:34 <CosmoHill> you know you said it has to be *.something.meego.com
Oct 13 19:50:48 <lbt> we have 3 services....
Oct 13 19:51:07 <lbt> api for the osc command line (and other programatic access)
Oct 13 19:51:13 <lbt> build for the www gui
Oct 13 19:51:20 <lbt> downloads for.....
Oct 13 19:51:38 <CosmoHill> so it's just to group them together, it's not a technical reason?
Oct 13 19:51:49 <lbt> yeah
Oct 13 19:52:00 <CosmoHill> okay I'll tell them
Oct 13 19:52:10 <lbt> I dunno why the forum won't let me in
Oct 13 19:52:42 <CosmoHill> do you wanna log in and reply or shall I do it
Oct 13 19:52:48 <Stskeeps> lbt: log out and in on meego.com
Oct 13 19:52:53 <Stskeeps> it's a bit flakey at times but better than nothing
Oct 13 19:53:17 <CosmoHill> forum has been fine for me
Oct 13 19:53:27 <CosmoHill> the wiki has log in and log out on the same page, that was confusing
Oct 13 19:53:41 <lbt> Stskeeps: ta... I take it the forum must be running on an N900 then ;)
Oct 13 19:56:02 <CosmoHill> if it stays a four way tie I get to break it cos I've not voted
Oct 13 19:56:23 <CosmoHill> DawnFoster: do you want me to tell people not to vote for *.dev.meego.com
Oct 13 19:56:44 <DawnFoster> they can vote for it, but our chances of picking it are slim :)
Oct 13 19:57:18 <CosmoHill> A vote for Lib Dem is a vote for Tony
Oct 13 19:57:20 <CosmoHill> >.>
Oct 13 19:57:34 <CosmoHill> Tory*
Oct 13 19:57:46 <th0br0> congratz Stskeeps :)
Oct 13 19:59:11 <CosmoHill> qgil: double post :o
Oct 13 19:59:25 <qgil> deleted already :)
Oct 13 19:59:43 <CosmoHill> a perk of being a super mod
Oct 13 20:00:12 <qgil> CosmoHill: weird, the dupe doesn't want to die - trying again...
Oct 13 20:00:25 <CosmoHill> yeah I was just thinking that
Oct 13 20:02:59 <qgil> CosmoHill: now I can't go beyond the edit button and I'm actually hungry... grrr
Oct 13 20:08:55 * CosmoHill hands qgil a bigger gun
Oct 13 20:09:59 <CosmoHill> Also thank you everyone who has voted for the Community OBS sub-domain :)
Oct 13 20:25:50 <auke> cobs!!!
Oct 13 20:27:20 <CosmoHill> I like auki :)
Oct 13 22:06:59 <PhoenixBh> rather quiet :)
Oct 13 22:07:21 <PhoenixBh> has anyone figured out how to multi boot maemo and meego?
Oct 13 22:31:49 <ali1234> PhoenixBh: yes, i have
Oct 13 23:01:02 <CosmoHill> cyas
Oct 14 00:19:21 <philipp64|laptop> howdy. new to the list, and to meego, so pardon the n00b questions... was wondering what the platform security architecture is and where it's documented.
Oct 14 00:19:44 <philipp64|laptop> also, may be needing to add some new protocols to the Connection Manager.
Oct 14 00:20:31 <philipp64|laptop> what should my reading list be?
Oct 14 00:28:15 <philipp64|laptop> ok, either everyone's gone home, or I'm on the wrong channel...
Oct 14 00:30:00 <ali1234> to be frank... this channel is mostly community people
Oct 14 00:30:50 <ali1234> as such, they either don't care, or actively dislike anything to do with platform security
Oct 14 01:21:04 <philipp64|laptop> ok, so where do the dev's hang out?
Oct 14 01:26:46 <ali1234> philipp64|laptop: finland :)
Oct 14 01:28:06 <philipp64|laptop> oh, sorry. was contemplating the difference between #meego-dev and #meego-devel... seems like stolen identity.
Oct 14 01:28:19 <ali1234> there are loads and loads of meego channels
Oct 14 01:28:27 <ali1234> there's a lot of mailing lists too
Oct 14 01:40:49 <philipp64|laptop> right, but both meego channels (-dev and -devel) have identical Topics. but not the same membership.
Oct 14 01:43:19 <b-man`> i founded meego-dev, but meeego-devel came first, however meego-dev is more popular :)
Oct 14 01:43:39 <ali1234> bizarre
Oct 14 01:44:38 <philipp64|laptop> so.. I need to find my footing with adding a new protocol to the connection manager... plus I was looking for the roadmap for platform security, but didn't see anything.
Oct 14 01:44:45 <b-man`> i think it's the shorter name that brings more people, heh
Oct 14 01:45:47 <b-man`> philipp64|laptop: i wish i could help, but i don't have any knowledge in that area
Oct 14 01:46:21 <philipp64|laptop> is this at least the correct channel to discuss these?
Oct 14 01:46:43 <ali1234> it's meego general, so yes
Oct 14 01:47:34 <philipp64|laptop> ok.
Oct 14 01:48:30 <philipp64|laptop> is anyone else working on platform security (compartmentalization, trusted computing base, signed apps/blobs, etc)?
Oct 14 01:49:00 <ali1234> http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-platform-security
Oct 14 01:49:31 <philipp64|laptop> hmmm... the website doesn't yet mention anything.
Oct 14 01:51:06 <philipp64|laptop> looks like a few existing packages, but... I guess I'll figure out how they're connected later.
Oct 14 01:51:56 <philipp64|laptop> I would have assumed the security model was basically the Android model, lifted.
Oct 14 01:52:22 <ali1234> it's just a bunch of repositories
Oct 14 01:52:28 <ali1234> but you can look who is commiting
Oct 14 01:52:38 <philipp64|laptop> yeah, looks that way.
Oct 14 01:52:49 <philipp64|laptop> ok. it's dinner time out where I am.  back later.
Oct 14 01:53:05 <ali1234> PhoenixBh: i dual boot using u-boot
Oct 14 01:53:24 <ali1234> PhoenixBh: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/u-boot/
Oct 14 01:55:31 <b-man`> u-boot ftw
Oct 14 01:56:26 <b-man`> ali1234: btw, i've made an enhanced version that's capable of booting NetBSD :)
Oct 14 01:56:54 <b-man`> however the kernel kinda dies due to some virtual memory problems
Oct 14 01:57:32 <ali1234> nice
Oct 14 01:57:42 <PhoenixBh> @ali1234 cheers will look into it :)
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