**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 02:59:57 2010 Oct 18 04:45:51 is anybody there? Oct 18 04:46:21 i have one question: whether there is some tool for unit test for meego? Oct 18 04:48:32 for qt apps? Oct 18 04:48:41 for test execution or for writing them? Oct 18 04:49:11 and for manual or automated testing? Oct 18 05:15:35 hello, i want to use the unit test tool for test excution Oct 18 05:18:50 if i write some case for unit test, do we use the qt-creator? Oct 18 05:18:50 wangjan: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/Testrunner-lite Oct 18 05:19:16 that's a generic test execution tool. Oct 18 05:19:40 hi, Timoph, you mean that i also use the tool testrunner-lite for unit test? Oct 18 05:19:55 but if you're writing test with QtTestLib that might be an over kill Oct 18 05:20:19 is there a way to set the screen brightness as a kernel parameter, or some other way to get to see the kernel buffer brighter during bootup on handset Oct 18 05:20:48 hena: device? Oct 18 05:20:52 n900 Oct 18 05:21:19 you can use it with any tests but if you only want to see that your code work your better of just using QtTest Oct 18 05:21:23 hena: do what i do ..take out usb cable, device completely powered off, hold down power button and then put in usb cable Oct 18 05:21:29 hena: that causes it to light up first Oct 18 05:21:41 ah, ok, thanks :) Oct 18 05:23:01 wangjan: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qtestlib-manual.html Oct 18 05:23:38 could anyone help to teach me how to switch to other channls? Oct 18 05:24:19 jianchu: are you using irssi? Oct 18 05:24:27 /join # Oct 18 05:25:46 ah, he's using qwebirc Oct 18 05:26:25 eeeek! Oct 18 05:26:31 yes, the /join command should add tabs to the qwebirc window Oct 18 05:27:19 getting a proper irc client in the long run would be recommended (xchat, chatzilla, irssi, quassel, … ) Oct 18 05:30:18 sorry, just lost connection as timeout... Oct 18 05:31:04 did you get our answers? Oct 18 05:31:11 no Oct 18 05:32:29 05:21:30< RST38h> /join # Oct 18 05:32:29 05:22:49< dm8tbr> ah, he's using qwebirc Oct 18 05:32:29 05:23:28< RST38h> eeeek! Oct 18 05:32:29 05:23:34< dm8tbr> yes, the /join command should add tabs to the qwebirc window Oct 18 05:32:41 05:24:22< dm8tbr> getting a proper irc client in the long run would be recommended (xchat, chatzilla, irssi, quassel, … ) Oct 18 05:33:00 dm8stbr, can you show me how to join this channel via irssi? Oct 18 05:35:11 jianchu: /connect irc.freenode.net and after that /join #meego Oct 18 05:36:03 Thanks Oct 18 05:36:24 let me try Oct 18 05:38:52 Unable to connect server irc.freenode.net port 6667 [Connection timed out] Oct 18 05:39:08 behind a proxy? Oct 18 05:39:18 i can connect via qwebirc Oct 18 05:45:50 Stskeeps, Sorry, i do not know how to check if behind a proxy or not, can you show me how to check? Oct 18 05:46:42 jianchu: well, usually your network settings would reveal that, but i don't know :) Oct 18 05:46:58 Are you at work, school, a library or some other place that is providing public internet access? Oct 18 05:47:00 * Stskeeps yawns and gets breakfast Oct 18 05:48:23 well, his IP address might give some clues... Oct 18 05:48:27 :), problem is: i can login via qwebirc, but cannot with irssi, weird... Oct 18 05:48:42 jianchu: have you tried with any other client? Oct 18 05:48:47 other than irssi Oct 18 05:49:04 can i set this proxy in irssi? Oct 18 05:49:45 what you could also do is to join #freenode and ask help there as well Oct 18 05:49:47 hmm irssi might support proxy if the proxy supports CONNECT Oct 18 05:51:12 http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup knows about http proxy setup :) Oct 18 05:51:22 get it, Thanks Oct 18 05:51:42 i will ask help from my own side as well:) Oct 18 06:24:40 do we have Meego error channel here? Oct 18 06:25:11 i mean the channel for meego bug fix Oct 18 06:26:09 jianchu, bug reports go on the bug tracker Oct 18 06:27:48 so, we won't have special channel for bug fixing here, right? Oct 18 06:29:52 jianchu, well, bug fixing goes on in the development channels I guess Oct 18 06:30:15 But there is no central bug fixing channel Oct 18 06:30:18 O, thanks Oct 18 06:32:34 i do not know if it is out network problem or not, but guys here always disconnect auto... Oct 18 06:34:16 Thanks guys for answer so many stupid question:) Oct 18 06:52:16 morn X-Fade Oct 18 06:52:31 Hi Oct 18 06:52:52 back from vacation? Oct 18 06:53:17 Yes, back to the grind :) Oct 18 06:53:37 hehe Oct 18 07:44:55 is there a kde repository for Meego, like kdebase, kdelibs, plasma and so on ? Oct 18 07:47:12 djszapi: http://download.meego.com/live/ Oct 18 07:47:38 http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/KDE_on_MeeGo -> so basically notmart's page seems to be quite fine. Oct 18 07:48:39 KaLif: sorry, but I did not see KDE there. Oct 18 08:18:39 morning X-Fade \o Oct 18 08:20:41 hi lcuk Oct 18 08:20:57 spotted you around, how have you been? Oct 18 08:25:10 lcuk: Good, great to be off the grid for a few weeks :) Oct 18 08:26:00 X-Fade, hope your batteries are recharged and ready for this period :) Oct 18 08:26:19 I was at the Helsinki meetup last week and had a great chat with the folks there :) Oct 18 08:33:15 hi does any one tried to install meego on HTC devices? Oct 18 08:36:15 tsk lxsameer do you not know how to internet search? http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-one-gets-meego-plus-dell-streak-htc-desire-video-26104295/ Oct 18 08:37:28 nexus one... *sigh* Oct 18 08:37:37 * Myrtti looks at her lifeless device Oct 18 08:41:18 Myrtti, flash meego to it :P Oct 18 08:41:19 morn andre__ Oct 18 08:42:00 lcuk: I'd be happy if I could flash anything to it, but I'd really prefer having a working phone... Oct 18 08:42:33 well, it's a good thing I didn't give my trustworthy N95 away... Oct 18 08:42:53 Myrtti, why is your nexus one lifeless? :p Oct 18 08:43:31 TermanaN900: it started going into a reboot loop couple of weeks ago, and yesterday it just gave up Oct 18 09:15:26 hi Oct 18 09:15:48 why is it that according to the job offerings, there are only senior developers at MeeGo? www.tinyurl.com/nnt34l Oct 18 09:16:06 uh? :P Oct 18 09:16:36 look at the link Oct 18 09:16:47 they are only looking for senior developers and specialists Oct 18 09:16:48 well, it says (Senior) Oct 18 09:17:13 I'm wondering, why don't they need normal(=non-senior) developers too? Oct 18 09:17:53 well what skillsets would you offer? :) Oct 18 09:18:20 i'm not sure what the definition is, but entry level developers are easy to get and everyone would apply even if they didn't qualify, at all.. Oct 18 09:18:33 Stskeeps: ah. Oct 18 09:18:37 you'd want people who think themselves as senior developers.. Oct 18 09:20:18 Stskeeps: so everyone in the project is that highly qualified? Oct 18 09:20:37 Stskeeps: must be a good place to work then :) Oct 18 09:20:45 i don't know anything about the composition of nokia staff Oct 18 09:20:45 :P Oct 18 09:20:55 Oct 18 09:20:59 lol Oct 18 09:21:04 Stskeeps: Mostly water, somewhat squishy Oct 18 09:22:23 Jaffa, you forgot the hormones. Ravaging hormones that create wild mood swings Oct 18 09:23:10 They're essential to any open source project Oct 18 09:23:16 yeah, the "I need to get an Audi, now" Oct 18 09:23:24 or "beer, or I'll die" Oct 18 09:23:48 Jaffa, watch out, some of the nokia staff have implants! Oct 18 09:23:55 not the silicone kind either Oct 18 09:24:16 * lcuk saw a wicked xray last week Oct 18 09:24:59 lcuk, was it of a raunchy sauce hot hot hot device internals? Oct 18 09:25:04 saucey* Oct 18 09:25:13 :p Oct 18 09:26:50 Termana, haha yes, nokia are developing wetware computers. Oct 18 10:03:12 hello, have a nice day . http://meteopetitefrance.fr/ Oct 18 10:06:50 niala: in what way has that anything to do with MeeGo? Oct 18 10:13:42 Myrtti: I just say hello to the room Oct 18 11:38:28 * CosmoHill pokes vgrade Oct 18 11:41:50 hey lcukn900, are you going to be in tomorrow's CO meeting? Oct 18 11:48:02 hey cosmo didnt see the schedule but most likely i am just out at lunch at the mo tho will see when i get back Oct 18 11:49:24 it's 3pm tomorrow our time Oct 18 12:26:17 the world is coming to an end... Oct 18 12:26:19 http://www.nro.net/media/remaining-ipv4-address-below-5.html Oct 18 12:26:25 do we support IPv6 in MeeGo? :-) Oct 18 12:27:22 that URL is misleading, I thought there were less than FIVE ipv4 addresses **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 12:30:01 2010 Oct 18 12:30:34 heh Oct 18 12:30:34 oops :-) Oct 18 12:30:35 but in reality we're just above 5% because whoever calculated the number didn't take into account the non-allocatable addresses Oct 18 12:30:35 the 10., 127., and 224.-255. networks Oct 18 12:31:42 Some ideas about when Megoo Handset will be released to the public? Oct 18 12:31:52 it's already Oct 18 12:31:52 :P Oct 18 12:32:02 Meego 1.2 comes out in 9 days :) Oct 18 12:32:10 1.1 you mean Oct 18 12:32:13 1.2 is next March Oct 18 12:32:24 erm Oct 18 12:32:29 1.1 yes. Oct 18 12:32:30 netbook :) Oct 18 12:32:54 Also when can i buy a phone in the store who run Megoo Oct 18 12:33:09 Meego sorry. Oct 18 12:33:11 * Oct 18 12:33:22 n900 runs meego ;p Oct 18 12:35:09 thiago: I don't see why they don't roll out IPv6 on domestic ISP Oct 18 12:37:22 Deutsche Telekom is planning to enable all their customers lines for dual stack ipv4/ipv6 mode by the end of 2011 Oct 18 12:38:50 that's be 15,4 million ADSL users Oct 18 12:39:35 and they already run an 6to4 node on their net IIRC Oct 18 12:41:26 my ISP (NetCologne) recently donated a PoP to SixXS Oct 18 12:41:35 which got overcrowded pretty fast Oct 18 12:42:23 well, there may be surprisingly much activity for ipv6 in the near future Oct 18 12:42:27 in multiple countries Oct 18 12:42:29 i hope so Oct 18 12:42:41 it's needed to get this going Oct 18 12:42:42 åñòü ðóññêèå: Oct 18 12:44:26 off to uni now, cyas Oct 18 12:45:42 * heffer is in uni right now :D Oct 18 12:50:03 lectures at uni are perfect for ircing Oct 18 12:50:46 indeed Oct 18 12:50:54 especially if it's the first lecture on C Oct 18 12:51:04 sure Oct 18 12:51:20 i think i'll pay attention as soon as the prof tells me something new :D Oct 18 12:53:02 that's the spirit :D Oct 18 13:52:03 ho-hum. http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5093508164/ Oct 18 13:56:22 Myrtti, that didn't last long. Oct 18 13:56:35 == Oct 18 13:56:42 GAN900: six months or so... Oct 18 13:57:35 Back to N900? Oct 18 13:57:45 theory is that the problem is with an application that unset the notification sound thus making the system unstable (?!) Oct 18 13:57:57 Flash it? Oct 18 13:58:04 GAN900: I've never had one, I'm stuck with my 3 years old N95 Oct 18 13:58:26 I've tried factory reset - no joy Oct 18 13:59:21 Will Google fix it? Oct 18 14:00:21 doubt it, but I'm documenting it for the support request Oct 18 14:00:57 anyway... Oct 18 14:04:16 It might be nature's way of reminding you to buy an N900 :) Oct 18 14:04:36 Or simply shoddy HTC manufacturing. Oct 18 14:04:47 RST38h: that would be done with the exact same lump of money that I used to buy the Nexus One Oct 18 14:05:07 ie. non-existant money Oct 18 14:05:36 I've got some other plans for my money than using over 400€ on a phone Oct 18 14:05:56 Wait, was that Nexus One given to you by the service provider? Oct 18 14:06:07 no, by Chris DiBona of Google Oct 18 14:06:25 Ok, I am afraid Chris will not take it back then :) Oct 18 14:07:01 But if it were from a service provider, they could replace it for free. Oct 18 14:07:08 which may explain why I'm quite pissed off... Oct 18 14:07:27 hey Myrtti and RST38h Oct 18 14:07:31 oh, well. Oct 18 14:07:50 ohai CosmoHill Oct 18 14:08:17 * CosmoHill is teaching his friend C++ :) Oct 18 14:08:23 I have pens and a white board, yay Oct 18 14:08:36 would 15 minutes on normal boot and 15 minutes on "factory reset" be enough of proof that it doesn't work? Oct 18 14:08:54 damn that's a long time Oct 18 14:08:57 yes something is wrong Oct 18 14:09:23 Heya CosmoHill Oct 18 14:10:09 Myrtti: It really depends on whether Google still invests in supporting these devices. If it does not, you are out of luck even if the poor Nexus is sizzling Oct 18 14:11:08 well, a reseller has it still in stock and is selling them for >600€, I asked what company they send their customers devices to and that company has an office in Tampere Oct 18 14:11:33 so if I pull nothing from HTC/Google, I'll just take a bus ride to that place and dish out money. Oct 18 14:14:08 >600 euros? For an Android phone? Oct 18 14:14:16 * RST38h shrugs Oct 18 14:15:10 RST38h: http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=22057 <-- Oct 18 14:17:55 there are better deals, but that's the biggest retailer of computer junk in Finland Oct 18 14:18:08 RST38h: 600 for *any* phone ? Oct 18 14:18:36 berndhs: not unheard of in Finland Oct 18 14:18:52 N900 was about 600 too when it launched Oct 18 14:18:59 which is why I didn't and haven't bought it Oct 18 14:19:21 but you guys don't even export any oil :) Oct 18 14:19:44 no, we export phones, you might have heard of the company... what was it again... Oct 18 14:19:52 oh yes, Nokia. Oct 18 14:21:12 lol Oct 18 14:21:22 my friend just went "oh bollocks, it works" Oct 18 14:21:23 sure, but OPEC just rips off the foreigners :) Oct 18 14:21:42 Myrrti: Sorry to come back to the topic but have you considered buying an N900 from Dell Small Business Store for $400 or so? Oct 18 14:21:49 mmeeks, Ping? Oct 18 14:22:39 Froogle reports $369 as the smallest credible price Oct 18 14:23:52 RST38h: for the same reason why I bought N800 18 months ago instead of an N810 - it didn't have physical keyboard with nonexistant or misplaced scandinavian keys Oct 18 14:24:01 dneary: Dave ! :-) Oct 18 14:24:05 dneary: wassup ? Oct 18 14:24:33 and $400 is still more money than I'd have to use to get the N1 fixed Oct 18 14:24:48 This will be a US version and you can add any layout you want to it by editing a text file (still no labels on the keys of course) Oct 18 14:25:20 Yea, if Google fixes it, it would be the best solution Oct 18 14:27:44 bspencer, Hi! Oct 18 14:27:49 dneary, hello! Oct 18 14:28:09 RST38h: even if I pay 100€ for it, I'll still be saving money Oct 18 14:28:56 s/for it/for fixing it/ Oct 18 14:28:57 Myrtti meant: RST38h: even if I pay 100€ for fixing it, I'll still be saving money Oct 18 14:29:11 my first irc'n with meego, sweet :) Oct 18 14:31:09 how long does it take to learn all the package names again? :) Oct 18 14:31:19 meaning apt vs. yum Oct 18 14:31:58 Why learn package names? Oct 18 14:33:15 hate the constant searching Oct 18 14:33:27 morning bspencer , do you think qemu will make it to 1.1? Looking at http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/SDKTestReports/Ubuntu10.04_32bit_ARMv7I_N900/1.0.99.0.20101005.1 Oct 18 14:33:44 and it's not like you have to learn them, you just happen to learn them by time Oct 18 14:35:06 qgil, I'm not sure what the status is for n900 QEMU image Oct 18 14:35:21 x86 netbook and x86 handheld images have been working with QEMU since July Oct 18 14:35:39 ah ok, this wasn't clear in that wiki page - thanks! Oct 18 14:35:45 and QEMU performance is pretty good currently, /if/ you can get it working at all Oct 18 14:36:02 QEMU doesn't work on many systems and there are issues that we haven't gotten to the bottom of wrt which systems work and which don't Oct 18 14:36:10 graphics cards, VT-enabling, etc. Oct 18 14:36:11 i have one question, are CDK and QEMU devices like Aava? Oct 18 14:36:44 last question: do you know if the rest of SDK sections at http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/SDKTestReports will be updated before the release? Or who would know? Oct 18 14:36:45 wangjan, QEMU is a virtual machine. The image you run inside QEMU could be an Avaa or CDK image Oct 18 14:37:29 so, you mean CDK is one headset? Oct 18 14:37:30 qgil, Praya (nokia) and Cathy (intel) are the QA leads for SDK. They should know Oct 18 14:37:37 thanks! Oct 18 14:37:53 CDK is one handset (kind of). It is a development platform Oct 18 14:39:08 thanks, bspencer, so in my thought, CDK is a real device i can get from the market? Oct 18 14:39:21 bspencer, So - can I confirm the MeeGo on ARM training session for the Sunday night? I will have laptop & N900 with me Oct 18 14:39:31 Or should I bring my beagle board? Oct 18 14:39:54 bspencer, That brings up a point - we should start communicating your expectations to attendees Oct 18 14:40:06 or just a develop platform where i can get? download? Oct 18 14:40:14 dneary, I will be there and ready to talk about what I know. N900 devel isn't my expertise, but SDK setup is. Oct 18 14:40:23 CDK? Oct 18 14:40:31 yes Oct 18 14:40:34 "yet another acronym" ? :) Oct 18 14:40:38 dneary, so if it is a "BOF" environment, that works Oct 18 14:41:26 sivang, YAA. CDK = "C" Development Kit Oct 18 14:41:31 what is the "C" for? Oct 18 14:41:33 are we using sofia in the telepathy stack btw? Oct 18 14:41:49 bspencer: yesh, that was what I was wondering about. Oct 18 14:42:13 bspencer: successor of "B" :) Oct 18 14:42:18 hehe Oct 18 14:42:18 true Oct 18 14:42:20 bspencer, I'm thinking, one guy giving 2-5 minute overviews of the next step, followed by 10 mins while everyone does it Oct 18 14:42:21 wikipedia says "Content" (perhaps) Oct 18 14:42:24 Repeat Oct 18 14:42:25 which lacked a type system or so they say Oct 18 14:42:46 dneary, sounds good to me. Oct 18 14:42:48 bspencer: so this is about marketing? Oct 18 14:42:49 CDK is not a real device? Oct 18 14:42:51 sivang, It was definitely the SIP stack in Maemo, so I imagine it's still there in oFono Oct 18 14:42:53 is it right? Oct 18 14:42:58 dneary, do we have a place to host it? (a room) Oct 18 14:43:03 bspencer, So a few slides would be useful Oct 18 14:43:06 dneary: yay, since I learn it now to implement some SIP services Oct 18 14:43:25 Yes, we have a room that will fit up to 100 people - I've asked for it to be in a classroom format, for max. 50 people Oct 18 14:43:39 wangjan, CDK is a development kit, not a real device. it looks like a naked handset -- something that wouldn't get through security at an airport.. You can't buy it at the store. I don't know about the availability to get it Oct 18 14:43:49 * sivang searches for bspencer's session. Oct 18 14:44:06 sivang: it's difficult to miss it, there's quite a few .. Oct 18 14:44:07 dneary, cool. Oct 18 14:44:33 sivang, I have a BOF session for SDK stuff each night. Come hang out and get your questsions answered Oct 18 14:44:39 bspencer, thanks very much for you anwsers, Oct 18 14:44:40 or answer mine :) Oct 18 14:44:45 The "C" in CDK stands for "Customer". CDKs are for early development on new silicon. Oct 18 14:45:20 bspencer: yes, http://conference2010.meego.com/program/sessions/accepted?keys=spencer made it clear it is a recurring event :) Oct 18 14:45:31 dspeed: so like BSPs? Oct 18 14:45:37 "Board Support Pacakges" Oct 18 14:46:26 assuming that some downstream (meego) changes exist, where is the meego git repository for evolution and evolution-data-server located? Oct 18 14:47:27 andre__: rumor has it there are no downstreams in meego :) Oct 18 14:47:41 sivang: The CDKs are used for many different things - driver development is one of them. Oct 18 14:47:48 andre__: if they exist, they're patches included in srpm Oct 18 14:48:06 against upstream tarball Oct 18 14:48:10 sivang: I highly doubt that. Oct 18 14:48:24 uhm. so are the diff files somewhere available on a server? Oct 18 14:49:12 andre__: sec Oct 18 14:50:27 still some questions: what tools will be used in the sanity test? testrunner? Oct 18 14:51:11 what tools will be used in the hourly test/weekly testing/milestone testing? Oct 18 14:51:21 andre__: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.99/daily/core/repos/source/evolution-data-server-2.30.2~20100629-1.5.src.rpm , rpm2cpio *.rpm | cpio -id (make a new folder) , and patches, git snapshot data in changes and what patches are applied Oct 18 14:52:17 Stskeeps: :-D Thanks. A bit hackish, but should work Oct 18 14:52:45 can someone give some answers? Oct 18 14:54:55 bspencer: what about platform hacking, if for instance someone wants to work on the handset/arm branch on the downstream parts? (fix bugs only? or maybe new features that are not appropriate upstream as well?) Oct 18 14:56:50 sivang, you can do a lot with a chroot wrt platform development, but the SDK currently focuses on app development. Oct 18 14:57:23 but hacking libraries or other middleware is easy to do. hacking the kernel or drivers is a little harder Oct 18 14:58:17 bspencer: yes, I know, being at the Munich Dev Days, app development seems mostly straight forward now with Qt et al. We need more stuff about platform hacking. I actually emailed Stskeeps something, maybe I'll toss it to meeego-dev and start a discussion. Oct 18 14:58:42 bspencer: and it also has fair amount of documentation by now as it seems. Oct 18 14:58:46 (app dev) Oct 18 14:59:58 bspencer: this was not to say your sessions are not important! Many people have not attended Dev Days and are waiting for them :) Oct 18 15:06:50 bspencer: and yes, am interested in user-space, so middleware and peripheria Oct 18 15:23:30 meego is Qt-based UI, but really! I can not find any Qt applications so far. is that possible to install kwrite, amarok, kontact? I can not find them with 'zypper se'. Do I need to add some other repo? Oct 18 15:47:24 when will the meego build service be opened ? Oct 18 16:22:37 is there a quite howto somewhere on making yum packages for meego? Oct 18 16:23:05 i'm mainly wonderin about repos and/or how are packages differentiated between handset/netbook/etc Oct 18 16:23:17 pardon my lazyness Oct 18 16:23:22 wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Tutorial Oct 18 16:24:11 thanks Oct 18 16:30:07 does anyone know what's happened to the aava build images for meego? They seem to not have made new ones recently.... Oct 18 16:31:14 arfoll: i think they're possibly merged into another platform Oct 18 16:31:44 you think the mft builds will work on the aava then? Oct 18 16:31:54 mtf is just 'meego touch framework', ie, handset ux Oct 18 16:32:45 ah, those are the builds that work on the moorestown CDK, I'll see what the difference is in the .ks between those builds and the aava builds Oct 18 16:34:01 used to be only platformid=aava added to kboot.cmdline Oct 18 16:57:24 heya qgil Oct 18 16:57:35 eeho Oct 18 16:57:45 hi RST38h Oct 18 17:00:16 hi Oct 18 17:00:32 did we have a TSG meeting last week? Oct 18 17:01:40 yes Oct 18 17:01:55 ok Oct 18 17:02:00 * thiago hunts for the minutes Oct 18 17:03:03 Stskeeps: any objections agains putting readahead size to ~128kb? Oct 18 17:03:17 Stskeeps: I'll follow up in the bugreport Oct 18 17:03:18 * qgil just discovered http://www.slideshare.net/andreasjakl/quickstart-qt-for-windows-symbian-and-maemo-meego-4410776 Oct 18 17:03:27 thiago: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-10-13-18.56.html Oct 18 17:03:33 Stskeeps: thanks Oct 18 17:03:44 * thiago realises he'll be travelling during the next one Oct 18 17:03:58 auke: no objections, we were planning on doing proper perf but 128 can't harm Oct 18 17:04:11 proper perf analysis, that is Oct 18 17:05:13 and I don't even know what time the meeting will be in that timezone Oct 18 17:06:45 Hi, which application is Qt based in current meego release? thanks. Oct 18 17:09:19 song123: I believe Garage (application manager) is Qt based , but currently they default to MeeGo Touch (Handset) and GTK+ misc (Netbook). Not sure about IVI apps, I believe MeeGo Touch too Oct 18 17:09:22 song123: why? Oct 18 17:10:37 qgil: I heard meego was Qt UI based. but now, all I can find is gnome/gtk applications. I like to see kde apps. Oct 18 17:10:50 Stskeeps: it's a bit thick finger work anyway :) Oct 18 17:10:54 Qt does not KDE make Oct 18 17:11:08 Stskeeps: we used to turn readahead off while sreadahead is actually running Oct 18 17:11:21 that minimizes blocks read drastically at start Oct 18 17:11:28 that code I'll merge back in 1.2 Oct 18 17:11:42 auke: :nod: Oct 18 17:11:55 Myrtti: yeah, but I failed to find Qt app. all I can see is gtk based. Oct 18 17:12:21 auke: well, this is just a workaround currently as fennec performance is important, if you can get a sreadahead change in that benefits everyone, that's even better Oct 18 17:14:46 song123: are you talking about the netbook release? Oct 18 17:14:57 song123: almost all of the apps in the handset release are Qt-based. Oct 18 17:15:15 auke: so you'll take over the work with readahead_kb? we'll do an acceptance test tomorrow to see if there's any bad sideeffects from '0' Oct 18 17:15:17 thiago: sorry, yeah, netbook release. sorry that I didn't mention it. Oct 18 17:15:24 referring to the contributing page, upstream in meegos case is consideres single projects, and not maemo or moblin? Oct 18 17:15:35 hena: moblin and maemo are 'dead' to meego Oct 18 17:15:43 so single projects, yeah Oct 18 17:15:46 song123: yes, most apps are written with Gtk+ and Clutter there Oct 18 17:16:10 song123: and like Myrtti said, introducing Qt-based apps won't make MeeGo any more KDE than it is GNOME now. Oct 18 17:16:57 thiago: will meego add Qt application for netbook release in the future? any plans? Oct 18 17:17:30 song123: new apps are being developed all in Qt Oct 18 17:17:41 whether there are needs for new apps in the netbook remains to be seen Oct 18 17:17:55 my guess is yes, there will be new apps and those will be Qt Oct 18 17:18:05 let's take take an example, if i wanna make a package for wvdial, is there a contrib repo or what kind of process would there be to get the package into the repos Oct 18 17:19:14 and if i'm not willing to maintain the package, it just dies if nobody else maintains it, or how does this work? :) Oct 18 17:19:30 thiago: OK. I am wondering if I can install KDE app in the netbook release. Is there a kde repo that I can add? Oct 18 17:19:42 song123: you can install KDE apps. I have. But I compile my own KDE. Oct 18 17:19:47 hena: i think once the community OBS is up there'll start being a process for those kind of things Oct 18 17:19:49 song123: I don't think there are repos. Oct 18 17:20:01 song123: see what Stskeeps has just said Oct 18 17:20:29 CosmoHill, thanks, yes I will sit on the CO meeting tomorrow afternoon at 3pm, uk time ;) Oct 18 17:20:29 thiago: ok, thanks a lot for the help and reply. Oct 18 17:20:57 * thiago actually ran the full Plasma-Netbook on MeeGo Oct 18 17:21:25 worked fine, but it draws a little more power than the MeeGo standard netbook UI and is a bit slower Oct 18 17:22:09 Stskeeps: ok, so for now it'll be my own hosting Oct 18 17:22:27 plus hearing the computer setting off sirens and wailing about a PLASMA COOLANT LEAK ON PORT NACELL was a bit disconcerting Oct 18 17:24:23 is there a page for personal repos already, or would this possibly be a good page to start? Oct 18 17:24:37 hena: forum.meego.com has some 'community repo' thing Oct 18 17:26:28 alrighty, i guess this will be enough of my lame questions for tonight :) Oct 18 17:27:12 Stskeeps: for 1.2 I'll take ownership Oct 18 17:27:29 Stskeeps: for 1.1 I doubt we can do much more at this time Oct 18 17:27:48 auke: k - so we'll probably run with the workaround - 0 or 128 better? Oct 18 17:27:58 it was really amazing how much a benefit it had Oct 18 17:28:07 lcuk: I plan to present the results of the community OBS sub domain Oct 18 17:28:18 that should be a few sentences Oct 18 17:28:38 awesome Oct 18 17:37:03 pfft, my meego lappie ran out of battery, how irritating Oct 18 17:38:27 was it like my apple where you get two warnings before it goes to sleep Oct 18 17:38:40 Stskeeps: 128kb please, for now Oct 18 17:38:44 or like my friend's laptop where it goes "I die now" *powers off* Oct 18 17:38:47 did the flash/mmc install process change since 1.0 (or the wiki page) since i was getting no init/root errors with the latest snapshot Oct 18 17:39:02 auke: k Oct 18 17:39:31 CosmoHill: nope, it was like blee, and the p came from my head Oct 18 17:39:41 auke: i'll submit a change then Oct 18 17:40:39 that was handset image 1.1.80 from 15th Oct 18 17:40:59 Stskeeps: tyty Oct 18 17:42:23 is that possible to check cpu temperature under meego netbook release? Oct 18 17:42:31 is there anyone in here who hasn't voted on the Community OBS sub-domain name and would like to? Oct 18 17:42:43 what's OBS :D Oct 18 17:42:47 some flash websites always make my cpu 100% busy. Oct 18 17:42:57 hena: 1.1.80 is hosed Oct 18 17:43:00 hena: we're working on it Oct 18 17:43:03 hena: I knew right up until the moment you asked me that question Oct 18 17:43:08 ah, can i help? :) Oct 18 17:43:24 OpenSUSE Build Service Oct 18 17:43:29 hena: basically btrfs wasn't enabled in meego kernel :) Oct 18 17:43:34 (n900 one) Oct 18 17:43:39 oki Oct 18 17:43:49 song123: I have a 15", 5 year old powerbook and most flash websites do that to my processor Oct 18 17:44:26 CosmoHill: mine is new. hp mini. Oct 18 17:44:35 if people want to vote see this thread: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1671 Oct 18 17:44:48 obviously there's a catch to this, since just enabling btrfs would be too simple? :) Oct 18 17:44:57 hena: process is hard ;) Oct 18 17:45:11 ah, ok :D Oct 18 17:46:55 lol @ auki.meego.com Oct 18 17:47:48 i like that one :( Oct 18 17:48:24 well, it's not really international, nor do i get the joke :) Oct 18 17:48:45 pub is the traditional i guess Oct 18 17:48:53 the english translation would be "build.on.meego.com" Oct 18 17:49:12 but it wouls still be build.auki.meego.com Oct 18 17:49:14 auki isn't bad Oct 18 17:49:15 would Oct 18 17:49:28 you've thinking in one language :p Oct 18 17:49:34 cobs.meego.com sounds unpleasant to me, and community.meego.com is way too long to type :P Oct 18 17:50:07 cbuild? Oct 18 17:50:08 :P Oct 18 17:50:16 ok, i just turn off flash in chrome://plugins. Oct 18 17:51:13 dev sounds too test/experimental/"meego property" Oct 18 17:51:18 i think pub or contrib Oct 18 17:51:57 i'd prefer pub or auki Oct 18 17:54:33 someone's broken the tie Oct 18 17:57:38 the sub domain might be selected tomorrow Oct 18 17:57:59 hi sub domain of what ? Oct 18 17:58:11 for the community OBS Oct 18 17:58:14 ok, so no point in voting for contrib :) Oct 18 17:58:55 in a irc meeting? or only intel and nokia? Oct 18 17:59:07 community office meeting Oct 18 17:59:13 there is a Community Office IRC meeting tomorrow at 14:00 UTC Oct 18 17:59:32 noted Oct 18 18:00:58 I saw the logs from the last one, only about six people in it Oct 18 18:01:43 it's often the case Oct 18 18:02:02 does meego have a webkit browser? Oct 18 18:02:07 if so, where is its source? Oct 18 18:02:14 and never asian people at irc meeting Oct 18 18:02:15 there's chromium... Oct 18 18:02:34 shadeslayer: http://code.google.com/chromium/ Oct 18 18:02:39 ah, the next Community Office meeting is NOT tomorrow, it's now the 2nd of November at 19:00 UTC Oct 18 18:02:47 oh Oct 18 18:02:51 not chromium :P Oct 18 18:03:15 any other? Oct 18 18:03:34 what? no Oct 18 18:03:34 chrome lol Oct 18 18:03:36 of course not Oct 18 18:03:39 well, yes. chrome Oct 18 18:04:10 i hate passwords... Oct 18 18:04:16 the only other major browsers that use webkit are konqueror and safari Oct 18 18:04:26 every single time i try to log into some website i have to reset my password first Oct 18 18:04:41 * shadeslayer throws rekonq in that list as well Oct 18 18:05:07 shadeslayer: i said major browsers Oct 18 18:05:19 hena: why not use the name of your computer Oct 18 18:05:19 sjokkis: rekonq is becoming more mainstream now Oct 18 18:05:24 eg mine would be powerbook Oct 18 18:05:31 it's not a major browser Oct 18 18:05:36 neither is konqueror, for that matter Oct 18 18:05:47 yes :) Oct 18 18:05:58 Konqueror requires KDE libs which MeeGo doesn't have Oct 18 18:06:01 but more and more people are switching to rekonq Oct 18 18:06:11 also, Kubuntu now ships rekonq as default browser... Oct 18 18:06:27 aaaaaaand i'm done with this discussion Oct 18 18:06:34 so that way its gaining more market, but that doesnt mean it doesnt have bugs :P Oct 18 18:07:06 bouh kde is a gas factory Oct 18 18:07:34 not even people using kde use the built in browser Oct 18 18:07:59 there are two or three people working full time on Chrome support in MeeGo Oct 18 18:08:39 ok, but my question still remains, no other browser apart from chrome? Oct 18 18:08:51 firefox Oct 18 18:09:00 firefox is gone from trunk Oct 18 18:09:03 moblin-web-browser Oct 18 18:09:08 webkit preferably :) Oct 18 18:09:09 ah ok sorry Oct 18 18:09:33 chrome, fennec-qt Oct 18 18:10:01 is there an rpm repository somewhere providing rpm packages for Meego just to check out what I should package for example if I liked to have kdelibs on meego in rpm ? Oct 18 18:10:55 ah, back to meego Oct 18 18:10:59 http://repo.meego.com/ Oct 18 18:11:21 i hate the default theme on meego netbook, but this still so beats the arse of ubuntu netbook Oct 18 18:12:25 CosmoHill: because i refuse to use the same password twise Oct 18 18:12:27 twice Oct 18 18:12:32 twise... Oct 18 18:13:25 get a finger print reader :) Oct 18 18:13:45 DawnFoster: you around? Oct 18 18:15:01 sjokkis: yes Oct 18 18:18:28 DawnFoster: i'm having my hotel stay sponsored by the linux foundation. do i go about booking the roomm the same way as if i paid for it myself? Oct 18 18:22:44 sjokkis: you'll need to contact the LF - angela should have sent you an email? Oct 18 18:23:07 I have absolutely nothing to do with the process of getting hotels booked, but Angela can help you out Oct 18 18:24:26 seems kdelibs is not packaged for meego :( Oct 18 18:24:34 yes Oct 18 18:24:36 obviously Oct 18 18:24:44 that's what the community OBS will be fore Oct 18 18:24:46 for* Oct 18 18:25:08 nobody has not got the faintest idea when that will be opened. Oct 18 18:25:21 so KDE guys kinda..waiting. Oct 18 18:25:34 Well, KDE guys and plenty of others... Oct 18 18:25:35 lbt is in charge, he should be able to give updates. Oct 18 18:25:38 highly problematic Oct 18 18:25:44 there's even an easy guide to setting up your own obs if you're in a hurry.. Oct 18 18:26:02 what do you mean ? Oct 18 18:26:05 to get an account ? Oct 18 18:26:11 leinir: problematic for what? what do you need ? Oct 18 18:26:15 or provide a package that one can apply ? Oct 18 18:26:29 djszapi: have you voted for the community OBS sub-domain? Oct 18 18:26:30 niala: problematic to do kde development on meego. Oct 18 18:26:37 http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS <- Oct 18 18:26:43 CosmoHill: a link to vote Oct 18 18:26:46 ? Oct 18 18:26:57 CosmoHill: pardon ? Oct 18 18:27:04 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1671 Oct 18 18:27:27 niala: People perceive the community obs as something really important, and as it is missing, stuff is put on hold in a bunch of places Oct 18 18:27:59 * CosmoHill gives niala a cookie for helping with the FAQ tomorrowe Oct 18 18:28:11 yeah, agreed with leinir, it is just an obstacle for the community unneccesarily Oct 18 18:28:13 djszapi: well you are rightmeego is not a full distri linux, for now and I believe they do not wan't do a linux distro like other Oct 18 18:28:37 well, the world doesn't need another full distro, but for the purposes it's intended for, meego's quite nice Oct 18 18:28:54 meego is specialised on a few objectives Oct 18 18:28:57 it is not new distro question. Oct 18 18:29:04 objectives that other distros haven't focused on Oct 18 18:29:06 DawnFoster: will do. thanks Oct 18 18:29:06 I m agree with OBS I can't wait ... :) Oct 18 18:29:13 it would not hurt anybody to provide an opportunity for kde devels. Oct 18 18:30:03 if kde does not fill my hard Disk 8G Oct 18 18:30:16 why would it fill ? Oct 18 18:30:22 are you serious ? :) Oct 18 18:30:26 hehe Oct 18 18:30:36 kde have a lot of dependancies Oct 18 18:30:39 djszapi: building kde takes a very considerable amount of space :) Oct 18 18:30:44 niala: most of which are already in meego Oct 18 18:30:51 the biggest of them is Qt :-) Oct 18 18:30:53 yepp Oct 18 18:31:01 thiago_home: 2mins for you :P Oct 18 18:31:09 about 7 Oct 18 18:31:20 niala: as does any other project where the NIH principle has been taken seriously ;) Oct 18 18:32:03 so why not kde... but it's hard for 1G ram . maybe I must test kde. I haven't use it since 10 year lol Oct 18 18:32:19 1 GB is plenty Oct 18 18:32:37 niala: I do not understand why you are against it if you have not even used that... Oct 18 18:32:39 KDE runs fine on 512 Oct 18 18:32:44 djszapi: FUD is fun ;) Oct 18 18:32:48 :D Oct 18 18:32:52 djszapi: why worry about facts? ;) Oct 18 18:33:14 efl ftw Oct 18 18:33:17 I do not worry :) Oct 18 18:33:24 but i guess i need to learn qt finally Oct 18 18:33:26 I am being happy, salalala :) Oct 18 18:34:11 * thiago_home hasn't seen rasterman in a while Oct 18 18:34:16 is he still working for samsung? Oct 18 18:34:27 djszapi: I have used it. but in last century kde was not so cool , especially it was heavy .maybe now it is more adapted with new computer... Oct 18 18:34:45 thiago_home: yeah and seems to be building something on top of ubuntu it looks like Oct 18 18:34:47 but notebook..... i doubt Oct 18 18:35:03 I wonder if he's worked on Bada Oct 18 18:35:17 bada's architecture diagram is still full of win Oct 18 18:35:40 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/images/stories/samsung_bada_arch.jpg Oct 18 18:36:37 ... Oct 18 18:36:42 yeaaah... ;) Oct 18 18:36:58 * niala vote for a light WindowMaker-touch Oct 18 18:37:08 looks like the meego archictecture, with less details Oct 18 18:37:53 * lpotter_ imagines blackbox on a phone... Oct 18 18:38:48 how about twm with xterm? Oct 18 18:39:08 chrome works in twm :) Oct 18 18:39:18 oh, wait, wasn't exactly that what we had in early MeeGo Handset? :-) Oct 18 18:39:24 chrome?! links! Oct 18 18:40:40 telnet! Oct 18 18:41:22 telnet is the email client Oct 18 18:41:45 screen is a must Oct 18 18:42:40 telnet is a great email client Oct 18 18:43:40 and IRC client too Oct 18 18:43:57 raster works for samsung now? didn't even know that :) Oct 18 18:44:21 was still working for va since last time Oct 18 18:44:25 yeah, apparently he's in seoul now even Oct 18 18:45:21 I saw him last in 2009 Oct 18 18:45:42 he's in this channel often enough Oct 18 18:45:55 really? /me doesn't remember him talking Oct 18 18:48:17 was last in here this morning, quit at 13:11:08 UTC Oct 18 18:48:34 ... morning for me :P Oct 18 18:48:37 he's stalking us Oct 18 18:49:16 lpotter_: well that is the whole point of facebook Oct 18 18:50:19 no, the whole point of facebook is to sell your personal data to advertisers Oct 18 18:50:36 actually, facebook doesn't sell your personal data Oct 18 18:50:53 they do all their advertising in-house Oct 18 18:51:11 there's lot to criticise facebook for, but that's one thing they haven't really done Oct 18 18:51:45 your right, its worse, they enable 3rd parties to sell your personal data... Oct 18 18:52:04 there you go Oct 18 18:52:07 it's not worse Oct 18 18:52:09 but they don't charge for that Oct 18 18:52:16 if you put something in the web, it's there Oct 18 18:52:20 your own choice Oct 18 18:52:59 hena: your argument ends when you put your data on facebook with a privacy policy and settings that keep it private, and then one day facebook decides to change their policies and release it to everyone Oct 18 18:53:03 once something hits the web, you cannot expect any control over it after Oct 18 18:53:19 but you can't trust that Oct 18 18:53:23 and suddenly anyone can see that you're part of a group called "gay people still in the closet" or "rough sex lovers", including your friends, parents, employer, etc Oct 18 18:53:29 such is the nature of the web Oct 18 18:53:32 ... which happened in may Oct 18 18:53:56 they also changed the policy on photo sharing Oct 18 18:54:24 once you put something in, it never comes out Oct 18 18:54:33 and they don't make it clear that "friends" of yours can sign up to use a facebook app, and reveal your data, even though you never agreed to do anything with that app Oct 18 18:55:46 yeah, everyone should understand by default, that anything that is written to web is "public", it's too bad that it's not so, but that is the name of the game Oct 18 18:55:52 they also fail to make the privacy settings and risks clear, with internal figures saying only half their user base has ever even looked at the privacy settings page Oct 18 18:56:17 it's not just facebook, i would count storing gmail conversations as the same Oct 18 18:56:50 heh, i think you live in an unrealistic world if you consider that acceptable Oct 18 18:57:20 i don't consider it acceptable, i consider a state Oct 18 18:57:34 it's too bad it is so, but you can't trust the web Oct 18 18:57:47 a state that facebook set themselves for, and criticisms are wholly valid Oct 18 18:59:11 well, it doesn't matter if it's facebook or myspace or twitter or whatever Oct 18 19:00:43 the issue is only partly that of people not realising all they share is by default public.. it's that fact that facebook has a history of changing their policy without warning, and revealing data that yesterday was private to anyone Oct 18 19:00:58 any user that writes something to the web needs to understand that it's under the mercy of the people who have any access to it Oct 18 19:01:07 and then after some outcry, allowing people to opt-in for some extremely confusing privacy settings Oct 18 19:01:19 which have no guarantees they won't simply disappear again Oct 18 19:01:30 sure, facebook is cryptic in their policies and people are easily fooled by it Oct 18 19:01:32 hena: that's an extremely libertarian attitude Oct 18 19:01:48 well, it is how it is Oct 18 19:02:01 if you trust someone over the web, your naive :) Oct 18 19:02:02 these days they're apparently taking it quite seriously, especially after politicians got involved in whole privacy row Oct 18 19:02:05 someone you don't know Oct 18 19:02:15 heh, it is how it is because a company is abusing their users Oct 18 19:02:20 jarkkom: hardly Oct 18 19:02:47 and you don't think google isn't abusing their users? Oct 18 19:03:01 they're just a bit more suddle Oct 18 19:03:15 hena: i can only name one google privacy violation, and google acted quickly to solve it Oct 18 19:03:21 and that was their fuckup when buzz was introduced Oct 18 19:03:24 google is in quite a bit of trouble as well in some EU countries Oct 18 19:04:07 it's not that they violate some privacy set, but they just use all the data of you on their own agendas Oct 18 19:04:47 yeah, but them using my data is no secret, nothing new, and doesn't expose me to the public Oct 18 19:05:15 well, that's in the hands of any google employee that has access to it Oct 18 19:05:15 oh, and disclaimer: i know people who work at facebook and google, and as such may have biases based on my friend's own views Oct 18 19:05:43 nah, google's internal security doesn't simply let any employee go read your email Oct 18 19:06:15 yes, there was a recent case with an employee caught reading gtalk conversations, and as i understand it, he's currently being prosecuted Oct 18 19:06:47 of course not, but some have the access, sure they have the ethics not to reveal it to the public, but they still could, facebook has standard users in the same position Oct 18 19:07:52 but i wouldn't store my bank codes in google cloud or whatever Oct 18 19:08:20 well, i think google's policy in china, and their efforts to show you exactly who has been accessing your gmail account -- including giving you alerts when suspicious activity is seen, speaks far more to their commitment for a user's privacy than any other major company Oct 18 19:24:20 where can I find the touchscreen driver for Meego ? Oct 18 19:24:54 ieatlint, hena is right and once its online that its out of your hands. Oct 18 19:25:01 tsc2005 I guess. Oct 18 19:25:36 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-April/001735.html k kool ! Oct 18 19:27:35 lcuk: not arguing the risk of putting something online, but that doesn't absolve a company of responsibility Oct 18 19:30:13 djszapi: driver for what touchscreen? Oct 18 19:30:33 n900 Oct 18 19:31:00 I would like to get the ioctl entry since they normal inputs are under /dev/input/by-path/ on desktop, not in case this ts. Oct 18 19:31:49 * thiago_home sees /dev/input/ts Oct 18 19:32:24 if there's a udev rule for it Oct 18 19:32:48 thiago_home: I have got just maemo availability now, but it should be hardware 'feature', not software Oct 18 19:33:26 but the driver checking is the sure point :) Oct 18 19:33:35 what it creates .. Oct 18 19:35:50 return spi_register_driver(&tsc2005_driver); Oct 18 19:35:54 mmh... Oct 18 19:51:14 is there any kernel level related meego IRC channel ? Oct 18 19:52:08 i think there is #meego-dev but I'm not to sure Oct 18 19:52:23 there is, but that is not kernel specific I gues. Oct 18 19:52:32 * guess, maybe it is worth to give it a try. Oct 18 19:52:50 it's development Oct 18 19:52:55 y Oct 18 19:53:20 I mean it's the development channel, so it's more specific than this general channel Oct 18 19:53:33 sure :) Oct 18 20:09:33 \o/ ive bought a wetab running meego Oct 18 20:10:44 a what? Oct 18 20:11:58 http://wetab.mobi Oct 18 20:12:46 cool Oct 18 20:14:07 yeah. but, to be honest. i expected to be a bit disapointed, and i am. sooo... now im starting to dig inhow i can get less disappointed ;-P Oct 18 20:18:13 EXIT Oct 18 20:20:42 thiago_home: you were right with /dev/input/ts Oct 18 20:22:41 thiago_home: http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-feedbackreactionmaps/blobs/master/src/mfsource/mfkernelthread.cpp#line35 Oct 18 20:22:51 meego touch framework does the same. Oct 18 20:43:19 auke: yt? Oct 18 20:46:38 hi there Oct 18 20:47:27 hello Oct 18 20:47:36 I'm having trouble logging in on build.meego.com. Oct 18 20:48:13 I did some reading on wiki.meego.com about the obs, but I don't know what account to use on that site. Oct 18 20:48:51 I tried to log in with my regular www.meego.com account but it doesn't work. Any ideas? :D Oct 18 20:48:58 stephg: here Oct 18 20:49:19 stephg: you probably just saw my bugreply Oct 18 20:49:23 thanks for the quick going-over of my not very useful numbers Oct 18 20:49:29 yesh Oct 18 20:49:55 also want to apologise as I just spammed another of your bugs with an attachment due to firefox crash Oct 18 20:50:19 haha that's fine Oct 18 20:50:27 but your numbers are not super useful :) Oct 18 20:50:44 I know, but I figured something (anything) was a start Oct 18 20:51:02 as I posted in the bugreport, the only 2 numbers that mattered were small file size reads :) Oct 18 20:51:24 it's a start Oct 18 20:51:39 the iozone defaults I guess are intended at people benchmarking arrays; and I did only run the defaults Oct 18 20:52:36 is interesting though that the subjective performance of fennec with readahead = 0 was still good, I guess that merely means there's more going on elsewhere that is upsetting the performance Oct 18 20:52:46 (of fennec I mean( Oct 18 20:54:30 it's a balance Oct 18 20:54:57 readahead will help fennec's startup - it will reduce the time it spends waiting for blocks from disc Oct 18 20:55:09 but too much and the scheduler is just too busy Oct 18 20:55:17 plus we waste memory Oct 18 20:56:08 Apparently the obs is closed ( http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615 ). Sorry for your time/ Oct 18 20:57:01 yeah Oct 18 20:59:14 I put a vote on it ;) Oct 18 21:13:35 Hrm Oct 18 21:13:44 I wonder if I can get a stock meego interface on my wetab in some way Oct 18 21:13:59 how is the wetab in general, Rydekull? Oct 18 21:14:17 disappointing :-) Oct 18 21:14:24 how so? Oct 18 21:14:37 mostly because of the screen, its a bit bad on its angle Oct 18 21:14:47 and its not really the nicest screen to touch Oct 18 21:15:07 then, their UI ontop of things seems quite limiting Oct 18 21:15:08 mh, ok. but other than that? how is the android integration etc? (just wondering as i had evaluated getting one in the past) Oct 18 21:15:26 android integration? Dunno of any to be honest Oct 18 21:15:40 not any that I've found, then again, I dont know german, so might be somewhere where it states that on german Oct 18 21:15:57 I just got it earlier today and im tinkering with it to learn how it works Oct 18 21:16:01 well, initially it was supposed to seamlessly integrate with android Oct 18 21:16:03 ah ok :) Oct 18 21:16:14 Yeah, I know that they've been talking about that Oct 18 21:16:20 if you need any german -> english translation tell me ;) Oct 18 21:16:23 but, dunno where that integration exists :-P Oct 18 21:16:34 hehe k Oct 18 21:16:47 well, im swedish, so I can read german quite well, dont know every word or so, but I can grasp the context Oct 18 21:17:19 ah ok :) Oct 18 21:17:21 But sadly, as expected, its not a device that makes you go "ooh" Oct 18 21:17:25 ok Oct 18 21:17:39 and I really hate the fan Oct 18 21:17:40 :-D Oct 18 21:18:07 It's even sounding more then my Quadcore Athlon with 7 drives in it Oct 18 21:18:17 o.O ok Oct 18 21:19:40 I dont really get why you put a fan in a tablet? Oct 18 21:21:10 hello, thank youu th0br0 for your help saturday, my ssd is Ordered Oct 18 21:21:25 you're welcome :) and nice to hear that. Oct 18 21:28:43 so... Oct 18 21:28:55 * Rydekull goes to start collecting info and backing up everything he can find on the device Oct 18 21:29:34 it's quite fun though, first time im playing with a meego-device at all Oct 18 21:29:38 just too bad it isnt stock Oct 18 21:30:14 it looks quite funny having a fresh new wetab-tablet running meego and connected to it is a old keytronic ergoforce over USB \o/ Oct 18 21:32:38 I wonder if official meego-sources would work on the device Oct 18 21:37:33 Meego boots off of USB so you can try if you'd like Oct 18 21:40:01 CosmoHill: the problem is getting the wetab to boot off USB :-P Oct 18 21:42:28 that's not a problem...it's a challenge Oct 18 21:42:57 oh, absolutely :-) Oct 18 21:44:49 is it safe to use meego on n900, did someone break the device with it yet ? Oct 18 21:45:43 define break Oct 18 21:46:02 not usable anymore with not that much hacking. Oct 18 21:51:33 it's usable to the degree that you can use wifi (I think) and make phonecalls Oct 18 21:51:59 any suggestion where I could find hwinfo for meego? Oct 18 21:52:23 oo Oct 18 21:52:32 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt Oct 18 21:53:40 is that possible with no harm, if I use my mobile for maemo in the daytime and for meego development at night/evening ? Oct 18 21:53:43 with no hassle ? Oct 18 21:54:08 it's possible to boot the n900 into meego without touching the internal OS Oct 18 21:54:49 rly ? Oct 18 21:56:33 yes Oct 18 21:56:47 I should point out I don't have a N900 myself Oct 18 21:59:20 ComsoHill, yes Oct 18 21:59:25 you can boot from the sdcard Oct 18 21:59:41 k kool Oct 18 22:00:20 * niala need more ram than 1G for use meego on usb-live after 4 hours Oct 18 22:02:18 niala: ah Oct 18 22:02:23 memory leak ? Valgrind ? Oct 18 22:02:37 I am not sure valgrind is available though :) Oct 18 22:02:49 it is Oct 18 22:02:54 but it is typically the problem that can be tested on PC as well Oct 18 22:03:32 valgrind? Oct 18 22:04:19 y Oct 18 22:04:37 CosmoHill: give me link to your faq ? Oct 18 22:04:41 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt Oct 18 22:04:51 what is valgrind djszapi ? Oct 18 22:05:07 niala: it's a program used to check for memory allocation and leaks Oct 18 22:05:18 you need to compile the program with the debug flag tho Oct 18 22:05:35 noted Oct 18 22:05:43 niala: probably your own application Oct 18 22:05:54 I hardly can imagine it in the default architecture :) Oct 18 22:06:02 but everything can happen. Oct 18 22:06:33 I do not think valgrind is needed at first glance Oct 18 22:06:35 * wmarone runs over PackageKit's toes again Oct 18 22:06:39 just check the memory output after 4 hours Oct 18 22:06:57 and you will see which application(s) cause(s) it and you can invoke valgrind afterwards Oct 18 22:07:27 i think is chromium, or another application, if i do nothing he doesn't bug Oct 18 22:07:44 niala: I think someone said chromium leaks like crazy Oct 18 22:07:51 lawl Oct 18 22:07:56 wmarone: pardon ? Oct 18 22:13:22 and how can I install MeeGo on an sd card ? Oct 18 22:14:34 properly install or just the live image Oct 18 22:15:15 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot Oct 18 22:15:21 I would like to test my application, can I do that on liveimage ? Oct 18 22:15:29 it uses a ramfs I guess. Oct 18 22:15:39 you'd have to install it each time you boot Oct 18 22:15:45 k Oct 18 22:15:52 or chroot Oct 18 22:16:02 I ran something on meego last night Oct 18 22:16:11 after 3 hours it hasn't finished so I turned it off Oct 18 22:16:55 and you have lost your work after turned it off ? Oct 18 22:17:27 sort of Oct 18 22:17:37 the problem is that I would like to develop on maemo in the daytime, but meego in leisure time :P Oct 18 22:17:40 the algorithm hadn't finished so there was no work to lose Oct 18 22:17:46 and I would not like to buy two different mobile phones. Oct 18 22:18:09 there are several guides on how to do it Oct 18 22:18:21 url ? Oct 18 22:18:23 ://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot Oct 18 22:18:38 http Oct 18 22:18:42 * wmarone wonders what happened to people investigating for themselves :/ Oct 18 22:18:49 niala: did you miss http or are you pulling a funny face? Oct 18 22:18:57 wmarone: google Oct 18 22:18:58 http lol Oct 18 22:19:21 niala: ty Oct 18 22:19:35 wmarone: yes but if everybody google what we do ? what are we living ;) Oct 18 22:19:46 * wmarone grumbles at fedora being typically braindead Oct 18 22:20:58 (if there's anything you'd like to add to the FAQ let me know) Oct 18 22:21:03 honestly, I did not know what to look for. Oct 18 22:21:09 thank you, really. Oct 18 22:21:12 if that will work Oct 18 22:21:54 Warning: By following these instructions, you might cause damage to your N900 device. Make sure that you create a backup of your device before continuing. We do not take any responsibility for the damage that might be caused to your device. Oct 18 22:21:59 k, I think that is all then. Oct 18 22:22:14 CosmoHill: mp3? hollyday movies divx? Oct 18 22:22:42 if you have answers for me I'll add them :) Oct 18 22:23:05 ok 2s Oct 18 22:24:04 CosmoHill: no mp3 because of license Oct 18 22:24:53 CosmoHill: in fact i know meego only with netbook i don't know the others Oct 18 22:25:48 'all' is here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=238 Oct 18 22:26:55 damn, it's my FAQ in a thread :o Oct 18 22:27:22 yep sorry lol you have just to copy/paste Oct 18 22:28:07 I think I'll leave it until I convert it to a wiki page Oct 18 22:28:13 you agree with me if i say we need a clear button link to the forum at index in meego.com ? Oct 18 22:28:28 clear? Oct 18 22:28:35 visible Oct 18 22:28:43 try this: quick links -> mark forum as read Oct 18 22:28:51 ah I see Oct 18 22:31:23 ello Oct 18 22:31:30 i am freaking confused by nokia's naming scheme Oct 18 22:31:37 ? Oct 18 22:31:40 I am wondering what is running on meego Oct 18 22:31:52 i have downloaded QT sdk, but it doesn't seem to be the meego sdk Oct 18 22:31:58 because it only runs maemeo Oct 18 22:32:04 there are no meego phones yet Oct 18 22:32:05 it is obviously not Oct 18 22:32:27 the Qt SDK is for Qt, there is a Meego SDK available on the website Oct 18 22:33:12 you need qemu or virtualbox or vmware to emulate meego and developp in Oct 18 22:33:25 Nyceane: Oct 18 22:33:29 or chroot Oct 18 22:33:43 chroot is not enough Oct 18 22:33:53 Xyper? Oct 18 22:33:55 there is a need for Xephyr or something like that. Oct 18 22:36:46 Nyceane: you are on linux, window$ or macintosh ? Oct 18 22:36:55 qnx ? bsd? Oct 18 22:37:07 niala, i am on windows Oct 18 22:37:09 dos ? Oct 18 22:37:28 use virtualbox Oct 18 22:37:48 this is just getting more and more confusing -_- Oct 18 22:37:57 why can't they have one OS, one SDK, that runs on bunch of phones lol Oct 18 22:38:35 what's life without variety Oct 18 22:39:18 cause then nokia would be apple Oct 18 22:39:33 nope, one OS that runs on "bunch" of nokia devices Oct 18 22:39:42 apple only runs it on iPhone Oct 18 22:39:54 its called Symbian Oct 18 22:40:02 QT is running C++ Oct 18 22:40:21 I've found whole SDK situation is bit of a mess now unless you have N900 you can dedicate for app development Oct 18 22:40:30 Nyceane: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows_Installer Oct 18 22:40:44 i haven't try this Oct 18 22:41:30 links do not work, they point to intel's internal servers Oct 18 22:41:38 a mess? with the nokia qt sdk you can target maemo 5 and symbian phones. I am sure meego will be a target when phones are out Oct 18 22:42:20 lpotter, I mean situation right now, with meego 1.1 & n900 PR1.3 coming out and wiki being edited constantly Oct 18 22:42:58 but there are no meego phones, only reference platforms Oct 18 22:43:54 just develop in qt and your app will work on meego Oct 18 22:44:11 wondering if anyone actually have that meego sdk for windows installer file.. Oct 18 22:47:10 * brik pokes w00t_ to wave at sjokkis Oct 18 22:47:12 say hi Oct 18 22:48:09 hey brik Oct 18 22:48:19 hey CosmoHill :) Oct 18 22:48:20 how are you and how's your course going? Oct 18 22:49:07 I'm good, and course is going well as well I suppose, bit early to tell since semester just started :) how about you? Oct 18 22:49:45 I'm on week 5 and starting to worry Oct 18 22:49:58 since worrying is much easier to do than the actual work which is causing me to worry Oct 18 22:51:55 CosmoHill: heheh :) I'm only on week 4, I suspect the scary stuff starts in week 5 for me too ;p Oct 18 22:52:22 most of this year is scarying me for one reason or another Oct 18 22:52:23 now, here is the question Oct 18 22:52:39 there is no "imageview" Oct 18 22:52:59 and after 2 hours of opening up the sdk and reading documentations Oct 18 22:53:12 i still can't put a stupid image on the form Oct 18 22:53:54 I suspect you want #qt Oct 18 22:54:02 thanks Oct 18 22:54:13 what sort of course is this? Oct 18 22:54:20 Nyceane: you will show meego you must try .iso on usb stick or virtual environemt Oct 18 22:54:48 does meego use packagekit? Oct 18 22:54:53 sjokkis: Computing Oct 18 22:55:11 in general? Oct 18 22:55:29 hold on Oct 18 22:56:14 sjokkis: http://www.anglia.ac.uk/ruskin/en/home/prospectus/ugft/g401.html Oct 18 22:56:39 most of the year 1 modules aren't the ones I did since they changed Oct 18 22:57:08 oh, i thought you were talking about a single subject Oct 18 22:57:39 ah no sorry Oct 18 22:57:54 only computer? no history? language? litteracy? etc Oct 18 22:58:31 * wmarone kills packagekit as punishment for idling on the yum lock Oct 18 22:59:28 they usually contain a bit of history, languages etc Oct 18 23:00:03 ahh ok I m reassured Oct 18 23:00:31 * niala think he need english lesson Oct 18 23:00:43 I've had enough for two people Oct 18 23:00:48 :) Oct 18 23:02:26 CosmoHill: this your final year or doing another year after? Oct 18 23:02:40 I'm in my 3rd year Oct 18 23:02:51 I might do a masters but that depends on a few things Oct 18 23:02:56 alright :) Oct 18 23:03:48 like the damn hung Parliament Oct 18 23:03:57 * CosmoHill shakes fist Oct 18 23:04:45 european parliement ? Oct 18 23:04:56 UK Oct 18 23:05:06 why? Oct 18 23:07:39 Tuition fees might be raised from £3250 to about £6500 per year Oct 18 23:09:18 x2 !! incredible Oct 18 23:09:43 I like DawnFoster's idea of going to a good company and getting them to pay for it :) Oct 18 23:10:02 scandalous Oct 18 23:10:15 CosmoHill: :) Oct 18 23:10:19 a good company like nokia or intel Oct 18 23:26:57 * CosmoHill pokes vgrade Oct 18 23:27:29 vgrade: for 10 ~ 15 people it would cost £85 for a day or £65 for a half day, (1pm to ~ 5pm) Oct 18 23:27:30 * niala water his bonsai Oct 18 23:32:00 CosmoHill, around #maemo theres another person going through university that I speak to (theres many who go but this guy I know), called Venemo - he is at a Hungarian univeristy and one of his course modules is a maemo/meego related one Oct 18 23:33:36 ah cool Oct 18 23:33:50 hi CosmoHill, been away Oct 18 23:34:55 CosmoHill, do they do an evening rate Oct 18 23:35:16 I don't know, I could ask Oct 18 23:35:21 what time do you have in mind? Oct 18 23:35:46 I'm not sure how many of the people on the list could make a daytime meet Oct 18 23:36:31 I wonder if my student parking disc will work...wait there are no car parks Oct 18 23:37:52 Cambridge sucks for parking I know Oct 18 23:38:27 you should see the chelmsford car park, they put a building on part of it Oct 18 23:38:45 I'm maxed out on the day job ATM, not looked at any of the work Termana and Smoku are doing on the MSM/QSD port Oct 18 23:39:22 I may get sometime over the weekend to chase some venues up Oct 18 23:58:58 Hrm, the wetab is booting extlinux/syslinux atleast Oct 19 00:06:55 * rittk dreams about a gun Oct 19 00:07:02 pew pew pew Oct 19 00:07:37 * CosmoHill gets hit Oct 19 00:07:37 x.x Oct 19 00:08:08 looking to the code of some meego components and the code of the meegotouch... Oct 19 00:08:42 now I'm unsure if I really want some meego-driven device Oct 19 00:09:08 why ? Oct 19 00:09:17 ohh Oct 19 00:10:05 if you don't like something about it, contribute :) Oct 19 00:10:06 these people doesn't know why and where the right const is needed, they uses qobject_cast w/o any checks... Oct 19 00:10:17 this is a long list... Oct 19 00:10:23 he Oct 19 00:10:48 I cann't write the code while I'm so angry Oct 19 00:11:25 while(rage) { sleep(1); } Oct 19 00:11:29 ah, I m too bad coder to understand Oct 19 00:12:26 s/1/3600/ Oct 19 00:13:03 minutes? Oct 19 00:13:09 day Oct 19 00:13:15 ah Oct 19 00:13:30 hour Oct 19 00:14:55 contribute... Oct 19 00:15:05 I cann't fix them all Oct 19 00:15:23 * niala give lemon tea to rittk for his nerves Oct 19 00:16:11 rittk, explain with a clear bug report including examples. allow others to review your findings and if valid we can work out how to collectively cure it Oct 19 00:16:24 as with everything in meego :) Oct 19 00:17:07 It just sounds that people need to understand why they shouldnt code in said way. Now, im not a coder either. But to fix the issue, start at the root of the problem Oct 19 00:17:31 Rydekull, sure, but at this point its just a rant about what may just be differing code stance :P Oct 19 00:24:16 lcuk: not sure if you noticed it, but I actually agreed with you about doing it in a structured manner :-P Oct 19 00:28:00 nobody will pay for that and I cann't waste all of my time to contributing to meego/meegotouch. I have an interesting contribution project that might became a part of Qt 4.8-4.9 - will care of it. Oct 19 00:33:29 could someone look at this http://pastebin.org/256591 and tell me if I should report it as a bug... Oct 19 00:35:53 MThemeDaemon: Theme "meegite" does not exist! Not changing theme Oct 19 00:37:19 smithna: it's a bug about what ? your app? Oct 19 00:41:04 I get those errors from any of the music/video/photo apps included with the recent ivii image Oct 19 00:41:36 are you suggesting I am missing a package? Oct 19 00:41:36 which version of meego? netbook? Oct 19 00:41:37 ok Oct 19 00:41:55 sorry I don't know ivii Oct 19 00:42:04 the music/video/photo apps comes from netbook -- but have to added to ivi Oct 19 00:42:27 s/have to added/have been added/ Oct 19 00:42:28 smithna meant: the music/video/photo apps comes from netbook -- but have been added to ivi Oct 19 00:43:15 it's like a meegotouch problem in netbook Oct 19 00:44:38 smithna: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1516 post from ayanes Oct 19 00:45:05 but I m not a coder maybe I m wron Oct 19 00:45:08 g Oct 19 00:46:09 It's worth examining Oct 19 00:52:02 bye Oct 19 00:52:13 i have one of the best stereos in germany Oct 19 00:55:31 rittk, nobody suggested you pay, but man up, if you believe there is an issue with the code, spend some time documenting it and offer clear examples both of where its wrong, and how you would try to fix it. Oct 19 01:32:43 bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 19 02:59:57 2010