**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 21 02:59:58 2010 Oct 21 03:46:39 hi Oct 21 03:46:47 i'm trying to figure out what meego is? Oct 21 03:47:20 little help ? Oct 21 03:55:25 mmm Oct 21 04:59:35 myyh Oct 21 05:20:02 brilliant, a headache right from the start of the day Oct 21 05:20:08 I feel like a winner already Oct 21 06:29:01 hi are there any meego api's avialble for interfacing with bluetooth Oct 21 06:37:20 is there anything else than bluez? Oct 21 06:47:22 @Tumi_ in case there is .. then does meego provide ne api's? Oct 21 06:48:17 are there any qt api's avialble in meego for interfacing to bluez Oct 21 06:49:59 priyanka__: http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-roadmap#local-connectivity-api it's listed as a research project, not sure about timeline or commitment etc. Oct 21 06:54:18 wheeee, halfway uploaded Oct 21 06:55:59 @chidambram .. can thy be integrated into an existing meego project Oct 21 06:58:39 priyanka__: I don't know. I don't know anything about it tbh. Oct 21 06:59:27 @chriadam ok. so officially only bluez is supportted Oct 21 07:02:35 priyanka__: i don't know the answer to that either, sorry. Maybe there are other APIs available, I don't know. But I remembered seeing the note about Local Connectivity on that roadmap page last time I read it, and thought you might be interested in seeing that page, so I linked it. I really don't know anything about it, though. Oct 21 07:14:15 @chridam thanks Oct 21 07:26:51 morning Oct 21 07:28:33 I hate blip.tv Oct 21 07:30:49 Myrtti: why? Oct 21 07:33:23 I've tried to upload a video from the Tuesday Tampere meetup five times now and it just doesn't work Oct 21 07:34:13 latest excuse after uploading 220M was (paraphrased) "U are an idiot hahahahaha omglol read RFC 1867" Oct 21 07:34:51 Myrtti, are you absolutely sure it's not that a pebkac? Oct 21 07:34:51 :p Oct 21 07:36:07 TermanaN900: I'm such a failure in life at the moment anyway I wouldn't be surprised. I still hate blip.tv though. Oct 21 07:36:13 The question one has to ask oneself is "How many people will be interested in downloading a 220MB of video showing a bunch of geeks and their gadgets?" Oct 21 07:36:34 [and then go with a bunch of still images :)] Oct 21 07:36:45 RST38h: blip.tv encodes it over to a flash video and you can pick the format you want Oct 21 07:36:54 in addition to the flash one Oct 21 07:37:07 Ok, so it becomes 50MB instead. The question remains. Oct 21 07:37:13 and it isn't just a bunch of geeks, we actually had presentations. Oct 21 07:37:40 I am sure those were not standup comedian presentations, i.e. they are available in digitla form? :) Oct 21 07:38:13 Which, in turn, can be uploaded as a modestly sized file... Oct 21 07:38:36 RST38h, i would be interested. Potentially even if it was a bunch of geeks showing their devices :p Oct 21 07:39:03 * RST38h feels like a grumpy old man, indeed :) Oct 21 07:40:37 RST38h: nobody is forcing you to watch the videos. You are allowed to ignore the efforts of volunteers as much as you like. I don't upload the video for you - there might be someone else interested in them Oct 21 07:42:19 talking of the devil, achipa I'm just uploading the video, is CC-BY ok for you? It's the same license I've used with the other MeeGo videos as it's the same Linux Foundation (has at some point) use Oct 21 07:42:26 Myrtti: Don't get offended, just being grumpy Oct 21 07:43:58 hi! Oct 21 07:44:18 Myrtti: hey there - cc-by is just fine Oct 21 07:44:57 Myrtti: you might want to add the source of the slides, those were shamelessly appropriated from our meego BDFL Oct 21 07:45:10 Can any body help me with qt mobility & multimedia? Oct 21 07:45:11 I'll add them on the description Oct 21 07:45:19 too late to add to the video :-D Oct 21 07:45:29 Myrtti: no prob Oct 21 07:46:14 Myrtti: or just stick them into CC (why is the short for so many things CC ?) Oct 21 07:47:17 ivrubano: qtmultimediakit can be hairy if that is the question :) Oct 21 07:47:48 I'm trying to do mPlayer = new QMediaPlayer; mPlayer->setMedia( QUrl( "http://87.98.222.167:8002" ) );QObject::connect( playAction, SIGNAL( triggered () ), mPlayer, SLOT( play () ) ); and i got GStreamer; Unable to play - "http://87.98.222.167:8002" . What's the problem, why ??? Oct 21 07:48:44 ivrubano: what does the error message say ? Oct 21 07:49:04 just the unable to play or ? Oct 21 07:49:18 GStreamer; Unable to play - "http://87.98.222.167:8002" the only thing I saw Oct 21 07:49:24 (talking about QMediaPlayer::error) Oct 21 07:49:42 How to get it? Oct 21 07:52:43 I tried to use qDebug() << "Error in appending content"; but seems it doesn't work Oct 21 07:56:32 ivrubano: I mean just qDebug() << mPlayer->errorString(); Oct 21 07:57:20 ivrubano: also make sure that the mimetype is actually supported Oct 21 07:57:20 ivrubano: 'cause the url doesn't hint what the media type is Oct 21 07:59:24 wheeeeeee Oct 21 08:35:56 Do I need to do something special to use qDebug() << ? I haven't got any errors, and no debug messages :( Oct 21 09:02:55 SD cards make good guitar plectrums Oct 21 09:15:23 ivrubano, where, in plain qt? Oct 21 09:15:23 and windows Oct 21 09:15:55 in meego env Oct 21 09:16:08 using meegotouch? Oct 21 09:16:13 yes Oct 21 09:16:35 -output-level debug Oct 21 09:16:51 what is it? Oct 21 09:17:46 command line parameter Oct 21 09:19:10 I use qtcreator, what should I do? Oct 21 09:20:30 projects->run setting->arguments Oct 21 09:20:58 Thanks! Oct 21 09:21:07 yw Oct 21 09:22:51 hi everyone Oct 21 09:23:45 hello Oct 21 09:24:24 in my organization we have been investigating on meego for a while and we would like to contribute Oct 21 09:24:46 we are thinking to start from bug fixing Oct 21 09:24:50 wher would you like to contribute? Oct 21 09:25:21 we are particularly interested in the media framework Oct 21 09:25:21 bugs.meego.com is completely open - do you have an OBS in your organisaton? Oct 21 09:25:42 like pulse audio and audio management Oct 21 09:26:12 what is an OBS? sorry for the ignorance... Oct 21 09:26:54 OpenSUSE Build Service Oct 21 09:27:16 no, we don't. Oct 21 09:27:26 do we need it? Oct 21 09:28:12 lorenzo__: you should be able to use the community OBS in the next week or so Oct 21 09:28:29 we have been just investigating on the system on an Intel notebook and tried it out on an N900 Oct 21 09:29:27 lbt: are there any instructions on the wiki on how to use the community OBS? Oct 21 09:31:16 lorenzo__, http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/community-building-for-maemo-and-meego.html Oct 21 09:33:27 sx0n: many thanks Oct 21 09:33:48 courtesy of lbt. don't thank me. Oct 21 09:34:51 lbt: many thanks then Oct 21 09:42:40 Hi Oct 21 09:42:46 hi Oct 21 09:43:03 can somebody confirm whether meego works on Inspirion Oct 21 09:43:15 dell's Inspiron 6000 Oct 21 09:43:24 what processor does it have? Oct 21 09:43:53 Intel 1.6 Oct 21 09:44:00 Let me confirm the model Oct 21 09:44:15 Atom or Core 2? Oct 21 09:44:30 Intel Pentium M Oct 21 09:44:38 then MeeGo won't work on your computer Oct 21 09:44:55 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt Oct 21 09:46:07 MeeGo requires a processor with SSSE3 support (Intel Atom, Core 2 Duo Oct 21 09:46:07 - or a newer Intel processor so it requires SSS3 support Oct 21 09:46:37 let me check with cpuz Oct 21 09:46:46 I don't know why I put Duo on there Oct 21 09:47:20 It's Pentium M 730 Oct 21 09:47:41 that has no SSE3 or SSSE3 support Oct 21 09:48:26 you might be interested in Smeegol Oct 21 09:48:46 here it is Smeegol Oct 21 09:48:48 sorry Oct 21 09:48:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_M_microprocessors Oct 21 09:49:01 Pentium M 730 Oct 21 09:49:37 I know, I opened that page whilst you were loading cpu-z :) Oct 21 09:49:43 oh Oct 21 09:50:03 isn't Smeegol ava through torren Oct 21 09:50:29 I don't know, you can check Oct 21 09:50:29 http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/06/announcing-smeegol-1-0/ Oct 21 09:50:39 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Meego:/Netbook/images/iso/ Oct 21 09:50:43 no torrent Oct 21 09:52:03 also can i run Smeegol on Live USb Oct 21 09:52:31 I wouldn't know, I do know you can run it from DVD tho Oct 21 09:52:51 I will have to search for live USB then Oct 21 09:53:01 Remember that Smeegol is not Meego so if you have problems with it you will have to ask in their channel Oct 21 09:54:03 I know Oct 21 09:54:08 Got it Oct 21 09:54:16 http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/06/announcing-smeegol-1-0/ in comments Oct 21 09:57:03 *yawn* wheeee my video has uploaded Oct 21 09:57:07 well, both of them Oct 21 10:17:58 I've not yet decided what to do with the other presentation video, but here's achipa's presentation: http://blip.tv/file/4275339 Oct 21 10:19:08 Myrtti: yay (boy do I suck at presentations :) ) Oct 21 10:19:25 it wasn't too bad Oct 21 10:19:35 I've seen a LOT worse. a LOT. Oct 21 10:20:17 yeah, no beverage containers or expired vegetables flying this time around :) Oct 21 10:20:17 wohey, I don't need to summon alot on myself. http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html Oct 21 10:21:31 on almost unrelated note: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjQ9uGynyA Oct 21 10:23:02 hi all Oct 21 10:23:17 Myrtti: if you want to put in the presentation URL: http://www.slideshare.net/TechnopolisOnline/meego-presentation Oct 21 10:23:52 though I conveniently skipped the part where he talks about Symbian doing more than well :) Oct 21 10:24:10 *chuckle* Oct 21 10:24:29 Ive tried the latest Meego release image and really liked it, but preferring a fuller Fedora OS underneath, have installed Fedora 14 and the moblin-meego packages Oct 21 10:25:00 tp: just don't call it femeegola or we'll all be doomed :P Oct 21 10:25:23 s/ola/ora/ Oct 21 10:25:24 achipa meant: tp: just don't call it femeegora or we'll all be doomed :P Oct 21 10:25:36 I'm wondering if anyone knows how to start meego from the default gnome wm as selecting 'Fedora netbook' in the GDM just gives a white screen ? Oct 21 10:25:56 infobot, ok :) Oct 21 10:25:57 :) is probably honeypea Oct 21 10:27:09 or does anyone have a url to a howto for installing meego ontop of a standard fedora install, if that is possible ? Oct 21 10:29:25 tp: you mean dual boot? make a separate partition and choose that when you install. you might have to choose something akin to "configure partitions manually" during install Oct 21 10:30:08 sjokkis<-- no not dual boot. I have a F14 install and would like to run meego on it Oct 21 10:30:38 it's on a hp 5102 netbook where the latest meego image installed and runs very nicely Oct 21 10:31:23 i'm not into how fedora meego works, sorry Oct 21 10:31:29 so I've now installed f14 beta (to take advantage of all the std apps) and would like to have meego as the wm Oct 21 10:31:45 maybe this will help: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MeeGo_1.0 Oct 21 10:31:51 sjokkis<-- no worries, thanks for your input anyway Oct 21 10:33:36 sjokkis<-- I've read that link a few days ago, but here is nothing about the post install procedure Oct 21 10:34:05 Linux 2.6.36 was released Oct 21 10:55:16 hi guys Oct 21 10:55:41 hi i have set up my local OBS server, am getting an error while rescanning the repo for ARm Oct 21 10:55:41 srv/obs/events/armv7el/.scanrepo::MeeGo:1.0.99.0.20101005.1:Core::standard27722: No such file or directory, can somebody plz help Oct 21 10:56:15 did you say the meego community ODB would be ready to use next week? Oct 21 10:59:24 what have people done so far to build their packages? have they used local OBS set up following the instructions here http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Installation Oct 21 11:07:55 What does mean error QMediaPlayer::ResourceError ? Oct 21 11:10:13 hi all .. has anybody tried tslib? Oct 21 11:10:26 evdev is usually better these days Oct 21 11:10:42 i am stuck at calibration .. the ts_calibrate cros hair doesn/t move Oct 21 11:12:15 tslib is the first i am trying for touchscreen. .. Oct 21 11:12:22 :( Oct 21 11:19:15 Stskeeps: can evdev be used for touchscreens? Oct 21 11:19:17 yes Oct 21 11:19:19 we use it on n900 Oct 21 11:20:03 Stskeeps: and is it the recommended input library? Oct 21 11:20:10 yeah Oct 21 11:20:16 what ts are you on? Oct 21 11:21:20 i m on an iMX5a based board and trying to run meego on it Oct 21 11:21:32 sorry iMX51 Oct 21 11:21:35 try with evdev and if calibration isn'[t good, use xinput_calibrator Oct 21 11:22:03 okay thanks for the information .. i will try it Oct 21 11:25:42 anyone know how to start meego fom fedora 14 beta ? (I've installed all the meego moblin packages) Oct 21 11:27:30 does anyone know if there is any OMA device management implemented on MeeGo at the moment? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMA_Device_Management Oct 21 11:50:22 there is some guys here Oct 21 11:50:47 nice that people are talking about meego Oct 21 11:51:07 wating to it's lounch to N900 :D Oct 21 11:51:34 it is available for N900 albeit it lacks features still Oct 21 11:55:45 stskeeps; does tslib need an framebuffer device and does imx51 based board might have it// sorry this question may not appropriate here.. Oct 21 11:55:52 no, doesn't Oct 21 11:56:42 stskeeps; it means tslib has no dependencies as such for framebuffer devices Oct 21 11:56:46 Stskeeps, do you mean there is no OMA DM on meego? Oct 21 11:58:14 what? Oct 21 11:58:15 :P Oct 21 11:59:19 sorry, I was asking whether there is any OMA Device Management on meego.. = Open Mobile Alliance Device Management: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMA_Device_Management Oct 21 11:59:53 it is implemented on S60 and S40 phones Oct 21 12:01:50 looks like I have learn how to use zypper for 1.1 Oct 21 12:02:57 Hallo, does somebody know how to build meego for hardware like the gumstix overo fire? Do I need the OBS system for it or can I do it with MIC? Oct 21 12:03:15 Does zypper have an equivilant of yum's groupinstall ? Oct 21 12:04:04 joern__: mic you can build images with ready packages and OBS is system to compile packages Oct 21 12:05:33 kallam, okay, so I try to build a package upon the current status of the meego developement..... does MIC that? Oct 21 12:07:04 and I need to modify the standart kernel, to use it with my gumstix overo board...... so the easiest why to do this is to build the kernel with openembedded (default way for gumstix) and add it to the created image Oct 21 12:07:20 is that right? Oct 21 12:12:06 joern__: right way is add gumstix to meego kernel package Oct 21 12:12:47 kallam, is there any info available how to do that? Oct 21 12:13:31 so I am able to create such a kernel package .... where sould i put it to use it with MIC? Oct 21 12:14:49 you can make local repo and but that in MIC .ks file Oct 21 12:15:08 joern__: there is some kernel guide in wiki Oct 21 12:16:36 ah okay.... that sounds good...... is that the same way how to integrate a developed application in the image that will be created? Oct 21 13:05:15 regarding http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator: Oct 21 13:05:21 NOTE: Fedora has its own mtd-utils package, but that does not include the required tools for ubi creation. is incorrect by now Oct 21 13:05:30 what fedora version? Oct 21 13:05:56 lemme see Oct 21 13:06:51 13+ Oct 21 13:07:09 k, please note 13+ then Oct 21 13:07:14 commit for this is http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=mtd-utils.git;a=blobdiff;f=mtd-utils.spec;h=fd5b703d608a805c7a6b454ffec59cf4e76e8006;hp=a116b8aae4e270606d4d2a39635f6b09b82263a9;hb=3aad866034f66d068880292f2850572379b9806e;hpb=1b738ed2bf5967d3bb0f3ef180e002aa19d7ade2 Oct 21 13:07:17 we don't use ubi creation anymore anyway Oct 21 13:07:53 yeah, but just so people don't need to install 3rd party rpms if they do want ubi for some reason Oct 21 13:07:58 :nod: Oct 21 13:09:27 if you want we can work to make those meego repos for Fedora obsolete by trying to include most of it in Fedora itself Oct 21 13:11:07 from what i can tell that's the case already for all packages but pybugz Oct 21 13:11:37 and qemu-arm-static Oct 21 13:14:31 hi Oct 21 13:14:54 user experience applications development is mainly based upon qt libraries right? Oct 21 13:14:54 right Oct 21 13:14:57 where qt is the gtk alternative and not apple quicktime Oct 21 13:15:00 Right, that's broadcom rpms for 1.1 sorted Oct 21 13:15:01 (just to be sure :) Oct 21 13:15:06 I'll post about it later Oct 21 13:28:26 I'm behind a proxy, how can I tell zypper to use the proxy? I tried http_proxy env variable; proxy=IP:PORT in repo file, and --proxy IP:PORT in ~/.curlrc... Oct 21 13:42:19 kontio: echo "proxy=http://your.proxy" > /root/.curlrc should work Oct 21 13:48:13 jniq, thx for the tipp, it also works with http_proxy env variable, if you enter the IP correctly :-) Oct 21 13:48:18 hey dazo and niala Oct 21 13:48:35 hello CosmoHill have a nice day Oct 21 13:48:37 kontio: :) Oct 21 14:02:14 is libarchive installed on meego by default ? Oct 21 14:05:02 djszapi: Yes. Oct 21 14:05:10 kool, ty :) Oct 21 14:05:22 libarchive-2.8.3-1.11.i586.rpm Oct 21 14:05:33 kool enough :) Oct 21 14:05:52 not that new like on archlinux, but it is still OK. Oct 21 14:54:14 is 'ar' command available on meego by default ? Oct 21 14:54:32 "ar" is part of binutils Oct 21 14:55:29 I have already seen an embedded system with stripped binutils not containing that binary. Oct 21 14:55:33 so yes then ? Oct 21 14:55:49 I think it must be Oct 21 14:56:01 since I used MeeGo to build LFS which I'm pretty sure requires ar Oct 21 15:00:46 ar is here Oct 21 15:00:56 oh man that's cruel. My lecturer has a count down until the assignment deadline Oct 21 15:01:02 heh Oct 21 15:01:09 so there's no doubt Oct 21 15:01:10 :P Oct 21 15:01:17 Assignment Due: 50 days, 0 hours, 2 minutes, 11 seconds Oct 21 15:05:53 niala: thank you. Oct 21 15:08:05 djszapi: but I don't know if I've add (like lsof) or if is it in by default Oct 21 15:08:56 yes, it would be nice to share the default packages, if someone gets a new, fresh system Oct 21 15:09:07 and publish it on wiki or something like that. Oct 21 15:10:07 CosmoHill: 50 days? they want you to go on vacation first ? Oct 21 15:10:51 djszapi: No really important, you can look package at repo.meego.com Oct 21 15:11:45 niala: and there ? Oct 21 15:23:07 Quick question, is repo.meego.com down? Oct 21 15:23:20 pppablo: i'm having difficulties, at least Oct 21 15:24:05 Bummer. Well, I guess it'll be back online later. Oct 21 15:24:40 pppablo: works for me. Oct 21 15:24:45 mplspablo Oct 21 15:25:02 I'm not having any issues with the repo either Oct 21 15:25:04 Can't ping it from Argentina nor EEUU Oct 21 15:25:11 (USA) Oct 21 15:25:36 Well, that is because it has a firewall ;) Oct 21 15:25:54 It just doesn't ping, but the site itself works fine for me. Oct 21 15:26:36 You're right. Http requests work. But a little while ago didn't. Solved :) Oct 21 15:27:00 pppablo: for next time. mirrors.kernel.org also hosts a mirror. Oct 21 15:27:14 Ah, good to know. Thanks Oct 21 15:31:06 djszapi: http://mirrors3.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.packages Oct 21 15:31:08 Could you please link me to some info for building my own meego kernel? I've done it in other distros, but couldn't find official docs for Meego. 2.6.33 is troublesome for me, because of the staging RTL8192e drivers Oct 21 15:35:25 niala: ty. Oct 21 15:45:24 do you have something else for migraine than qt and c++ Oct 21 15:46:45 pppablo: you can make kernel like in other distro Oct 21 15:47:20 Yeah, but you have several patches of your own branch Oct 21 15:47:57 niala: I want to stick to the guidelines as much as possible. Oct 21 15:50:54 pppablo: I haven't read this but maybe it's help you http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_kernel_documentation_for_contributors Oct 21 15:52:37 niala: That's for contribution.. but nevermind, I'll just build a vanilla kernel from kernel.org. It'll probably work just fine Oct 21 15:52:54 niala: Thanks! Oct 21 15:53:22 yes classic way Oct 21 15:54:10 * niala 's head will explode .... have computer also migraine ? Oct 21 16:01:36 any intel developer around here? Need some info on using Git inside your network. Oct 21 16:20:36 pppablo: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1414 Oct 21 16:21:19 * CosmoHill gives niala some pain killers for the migraine Oct 21 16:21:21 niala: thanks!! Oct 21 16:26:15 thanks you CosmoHill, . Oct 21 16:47:14 * qgil is looking for a Qt Quick developer for a cool YouTube related open project in SF Bay Area http://www.meetup.com/SFBay-MeeGo-Network/ Oct 21 16:53:07 Care to describe the project in more detail? Oct 21 17:11:22 If meego be very successful, I wonder what will be the fate symbian. Oct 21 17:11:43 low end phones? Oct 21 17:15:18 But still a lot of effort is being put into symbian, so we never know. Since it is all about QT now, so virtually all meego apps will be able to run on symbian with trivial recompile and vice-versa. Oct 21 17:16:39 qgil: ping Oct 21 17:16:51 thiago: pong Oct 21 17:17:20 thiago: qgil: PANG Oct 21 17:17:38 qgil: the early bird event in Dublin... should I be there? Oct 21 17:17:54 RST38h: Qt Quick developer wanted to develop openly a port of http://code.google.com/p/youtube-direct/ - documenting the experience dealing with YouTube APIs and Android code. The prize will be an N900 to test and a dose of fame in the MeeGo, YouTube and Google developer communities Oct 21 17:19:02 thiago: I can only say that I will be landing in Dublin on Saturday around 1pm Oct 21 17:20:57 so no problem if I arrive only on Sunday? Oct 21 17:21:42 qgil: The whole ytd thing appears to be written in Android Java, so porting it is not feasible Oct 21 17:21:42 what's the difference between the hotels? Oct 21 17:21:54 Krooks: thiago entirely up to you - as long as you show up in your session on Monday you're fine with me ;) Oct 21 17:22:11 qgil: Reimplementation may be possible though, especially if someone explains in plain English what it is supposed to do :) Oct 21 17:22:28 RST38h: well, by "poorting" I mean getting the same UX using the same REST APIs Oct 21 17:22:43 hum, "poorting" is actually a funny typo ;) Oct 21 17:23:31 * thiago chooses the cheapest hotel alternative Oct 21 17:24:09 not available Oct 21 17:24:17 trying next cheapest Oct 21 17:24:20 qgil: reading Oct 21 17:24:21 RST38h: this app is a showcase of the YouTube APIs and if you start clicking the links around you will find plenty of documentation Oct 21 17:26:07 RST38h: it's basically a fully functional code example supporting the YouTube API docs - I had a chat with one person in that team and we came up with the idea of having a Qt version too, as a showcase to help MeeGo developers getting those APIs into use in their apps Oct 21 17:27:41 qgil: So, it comes down to automatic video submission to youtube? Oct 21 17:29:27 RST38h: I don't know exactly but I guess all the info is there Oct 21 17:29:53 RST38h: sorry, I'm dealing with too much stuff these days Oct 21 17:30:36 * thiago now has a hotel room reserved Oct 21 17:30:50 qgil: I checked their site but could not figure out what their project does in layman's terms Oct 21 17:31:14 qgil: looks like some youtube submission library Oct 21 17:32:05 RST38h: isn't http://code.google.com/p/ytd-android/ enough to get an idea? Oct 21 17:32:31 qgil: ah, this is slightly better Oct 21 17:32:46 RST38h: well, it's a link in that page ;) Oct 21 17:34:13 qgil: Ok, this thing lets you shoot a video and upload it to your youtube account, the way I understand their terminology Oct 21 17:36:11 So, does Qt quick currently support video capture? Oct 21 17:36:38 Google shows CameraAPI as part of the Qt Mobility API Oct 21 17:40:43 QtDeclarative (http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeelements.html) does not appear to allow camera view inclusion, or a generic QWidget inclusion, at the first glance Oct 21 17:41:33 So, the YTD thing *probably* cannot be pure QtQuick, unless I am missing something major Oct 21 17:42:19 RST38h: no idea, and this is why I'm looking for someone capable of figuring out all those things :) Oct 21 17:42:36 RST38h: Qt Quick is anything but pure, though :) Oct 21 17:42:42 Well, trying to figure them out, as we speak, as a mental excersize Oct 21 17:43:03 * thiago suggests #qt-qml and ask questions there Oct 21 17:43:13 but it appears that qgil is asking that someone do that for him :-) Oct 21 17:43:31 Basically, when you remove all the verbal garbage, this is a YouTube video uploader Oct 21 17:44:04 + a piece that registers your video with some weird Google App Server based API Oct 21 17:44:08 thiago: good point and i¡'ll go ask there as well Oct 21 17:44:16 that lets you manage videos Oct 21 17:45:21 QML (correct me if I am wrong) is a way to quickly declare UIs, so the point of intersection between these two entities will be the video capture UI Oct 21 17:45:33 see Qt Multimedia Oct 21 17:45:46 it might provide QML plugins that support video and/or camera Oct 21 17:45:58 Camera support is mobility 1.1 (so no MeeGo 1.0) Oct 21 17:46:06 aha Oct 21 17:46:41 Indeed: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta/qml-multimedia.html Oct 21 17:47:21 Sadly, it does not let you capture video, just play it back Oct 21 17:47:29 Unless there is an undocumented part Oct 21 17:47:53 auke: as it matters for my own work, where is the FEA# requirement documented (i agree there has to be one, just wondering what memo i didn't read) Oct 21 17:48:27 Full Qml-Video reference here: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta/qml-video.html Oct 21 17:49:17 Stskeeps: in this case the request is way too big to be merged without a FEA Oct 21 17:49:22 :nod: Oct 21 17:49:38 so I'm gonna hammer it down and get this documented :D Oct 21 17:49:44 Ok, let us forget video capture for now and look at the web API, as one will need some to submit video Oct 21 17:50:31 auke: hopefully it can only aid the requirements process.. there's still a lot of stuff that should be specified in more details Oct 21 17:50:41 ya Oct 21 17:50:57 am working on processing the accepted requirements for 1.2 into n900 requirements atm so Oct 21 17:51:13 I have a non-technical question... Oct 21 17:51:22 ask away Oct 21 17:51:28 can I use the graphics in Meego in a conference website? Oct 21 17:51:30 auke: hey, does the Intel network block access to remote ports like SSH and the Git port? Oct 21 17:52:05 kyb3R_: i'd advice asking DawnFoster Oct 21 17:52:12 Stskeeps: ok Oct 21 17:52:31 Stskeeps: I'm really trying to get everyone to use bugzilla for tracking integration Oct 21 17:52:55 kyb3R_: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Style_Guide has information on using MeeGo characters Oct 21 17:53:03 without it we're lost ... there's no way for the distro team to verify stuff is ok to go in or not Oct 21 17:53:05 :nod: Oct 21 17:53:23 thiago: bad bad boy, you shouldn't ask about corporate firewall policies Oct 21 17:53:23 the short answer is that they "Can be used, reproduced, and modified freely in marketing communications." Oct 21 17:53:40 oh Damn is online :) nice Oct 21 17:53:46 auke: yeah... Oct 21 17:53:47 I meant Dawn Oct 21 17:53:48 Damn? Oct 21 17:53:51 hehe Oct 21 17:53:53 DamnFoster Oct 21 17:53:56 ha! Oct 21 17:54:00 me and my typos... Oct 21 17:54:11 auke: well, the reason is an intel engineer who's having trouble cloning Qt and sent me an email Oct 21 17:54:27 thiago: tell him to ask me please Oct 21 17:54:51 auke: he's not OTC, just so you know Oct 21 17:55:00 forwarding you the email, thanks for any help you can give Oct 21 17:55:17 np we'll get him sorted out. Oct 21 17:55:24 qgil: I cannot find how one can use HTTP protocol from QtQuick, other than instantiating a browser window visible to the user Oct 21 17:55:26 oh well, we want to use the Meego Tablet UI layout as base for our Regional Conference/Summit website Oct 21 17:55:54 and icons Oct 21 17:55:55 sent, now time to go home Oct 21 17:55:58 RST38h: if you are interested on this pelase follow thiago's advice and go to #qt-qml where the experts can be found Oct 21 17:56:18 qgil: Ok. Oct 21 18:09:29 qgil: Asked about camera and http in QML at #qt-qml. Nobody answered. People either do not know, or they are asleep. Oct 21 18:09:55 Or maybe there are no such things (which Google search seems to confirm). Oct 21 18:10:52 re http://code.google.com/p/youtube-direct/ -- the java requires a standard Sun JDK and runs in eclipse... not clear that it's android-java as mentioned above Oct 21 18:11:28 npm: Quite possibly it is just normal Java. This particular URL covers the server side component Oct 21 18:11:30 the java parts appear hosted on app-engine Oct 21 18:11:48 npm: Right. I first thought it is the client part (Android), but it is not Oct 21 18:12:57 The whole thing looks like it would be much more relevant as an extension to the Maemo YouTube sharing plugin Oct 21 18:13:17 I.e. an option to the YouTube sharing plugin that lets you set up a YTD account Oct 21 18:14:07 i think it's for more than just uploading... it seems to have other aspects of YT API as well e.g. "Search filter for assignments and submissions" Oct 21 18:14:10 BTW, does Meego specification includes sharing plugins? =) Oct 21 18:14:24 RST38h: actually i've seen something like that in requirements Oct 21 18:14:25 hang on Oct 21 18:14:28 npm: Yea, but you are looking at the server part running under APp Engine Oct 21 18:14:52 yep, as needed for AJAXy googly type work Oct 21 18:14:53 npm: On the client side, you only seem to need a way to register your video with this YTD thing Oct 21 18:15:20 RST38h: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8179 Oct 21 18:15:30 on the client side, it's all javascript, w/ some authing reqs Oct 21 18:15:56 Stskeeps: Yep, that it our sharing plugin framework indeed :) Oct 21 18:16:17 npm: I am sure you can do it without javascript, if you know what data to send to the server :) Oct 21 18:16:46 npm: Also, there is some hope QtQuick "JavaScript" allows for network communications Oct 21 18:25:26 RST38h: I was thinking of an impl like /usr/lib/qt4/examples/webkit Oct 21 18:26:07 npm: Yea, the problem is, the only way to use webkit in QML is by adding a visible web widget Oct 21 18:26:20 npm: Or so QMLreference seems to imply Oct 21 18:26:24 doh!? Oct 21 18:27:03 npm: If you disregard the QML requirement and say "I will do it in proper C++ Qt", then it all becomes easier Oct 21 18:27:09 /usr/lib/qt4/examples/webkit/formextractor doesn't need visible widget? Oct 21 18:27:31 npm: This is not QML, is it? Oct 21 18:27:42 javascript Oct 21 18:28:09 npm: Inside a web browser, right? Oct 21 18:28:19 no, it's a standalone webkit example Oct 21 18:28:33 there might be a web browser inside, but it's not visible as such Oct 21 18:28:37 npm: A moment, I do not have it in this Win7 system, looking for it online Oct 21 18:29:08 i use fedora so it's part of qt-examples-4.6.3-8.fc12.x86_64 Oct 21 18:29:23 No fedora here, sorry Oct 21 18:30:20 Found it. It is not QML. Plain Qt app using WebKit widget Oct 21 18:30:44 yep Oct 21 18:31:13 otherwise you're going to have to hook up all sorts of stuff, though, auth, ssl, certs, etc Oct 21 18:31:17 npm: Quim said it has to be done in QML, as an example Oct 21 18:31:24 doh Oct 21 18:31:36 sounds like a big example Oct 21 18:31:49 npm: Well, such were the requirements Oct 21 18:32:14 npm: At the moment, they look unsatisfiable to me, but who knows... Oct 21 18:35:10 isn't WebKit and QML integrated in Qt 4.7?? Oct 21 18:35:37 They are both in (and Mobility API too, afaik, that has camera api), but I am not sure how they are related Oct 21 18:35:56 http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-12502 Oct 21 18:36:02 Well, you CAN add a web view widget to QML, but this does not necessarily means tight integration Oct 21 18:36:03 not ready yet Oct 21 18:38:16 oh, goodie, it's snowing in Oslo Oct 21 18:38:30 fun fun Oct 21 18:38:58 only 5½ months since the last snow Oct 21 18:39:11 we had snow in April, snow in May, why not in October? Oct 21 18:40:55 some people came from Helsinki today and complained that it was cold here Oct 21 18:41:39 it's always cold in Helsinki Oct 21 18:41:45 it's the wind, you know Oct 21 18:43:20 "Caos in the first snow of the fall" says the news Oct 21 18:44:28 every single year that happens Oct 21 18:45:04 or when there is 1cm of snow in the UK: "country shut down" Oct 21 18:45:30 Stskeeps: YOu won;t believe what happens when it snows in Washington DC... Oct 21 18:46:25 it would be nice if same would wortk in finland, if we get 1cm of snow nobody would need to go to work or school:) Oct 21 18:46:31 work Oct 21 18:46:42 RST38h / qgil -- i agree w/ the "unsatisfiable" part ... all the javascript ( youtube-direct-read-only/ytd/war/js/ ) expects to be running in a browser, uses jQuery DOM calls, etc Oct 21 18:46:48 mihero: well, that happens when there's another 29cm on top of that 1cm Oct 21 18:46:56 all of a sudden Oct 21 18:47:20 Stskeeps: Massive blackouts, people abandoning unheated homes for hotels, highways full abandoned (sometimes crashed) cars, etc Oct 21 18:47:44 RST38h: sounds fun Oct 21 18:48:26 i think the "has to be done in QML" should be dropped -- how about has to be done in Qt w/ webkit? Oct 21 18:48:31 npm: You *can* use JavaScript from QML Oct 21 18:48:45 npm: and again you are asking the wrong guy :) If Qt Quick can't do something then maybe plain Qt can come to the rescue? Oct 21 18:48:48 npm: But a very limited version, only sufficient to process UI events, it seems Oct 21 18:48:53 obviously... but who makes the DOM, and who talks to the network? Oct 21 18:49:07 qgil:It is quite doable in plain Qt Oct 21 18:49:28 qgil: But see above for the proper context where it has to be done (YouTube sharing plugin) Oct 21 18:50:04 Stskeeps provided a bug tracker that requests sharing framework to be implemented in Meego Oct 21 18:51:43 RST38h npm why don't you start with the documentation part in a wiki page already? all your findings in this chat room will be "lost" for potential contributors soon Oct 21 18:52:29 RST38h npm honestly I'm of little help when it comes to provide any technical advice myself Oct 21 18:57:41 qgil: i think QML/QtQuick will be an integrated solution in the future (qt 4.7) but meego isn't running 4.7 yet Oct 21 18:58:41 thus the "plain Qt to the rescue" seems like it would enable success, but phaps the QML approach will be a lot of development work and inventing of the wheel Oct 21 19:00:11 npm: MeeGo 1.1 is running Qt 4.7 Oct 21 19:02:48 so phaps w/ Meego1.1 as prereq, more possible ... i'm not on qt 4.7 yet. Oct 21 19:03:20 1.1 is out in about a week Oct 21 19:03:21 :P Oct 21 19:03:34 excellent! Oct 21 19:03:37 npm: I checked QML docs from Qt 4.7. No luck there. And #qt-qml people have not answered my question. Oct 21 19:04:02 npm: One thing worth checking in Qt 4.7 is the MobilityAPI. At least it has some API for video capture. Oct 21 19:04:42 qt 4.7 webkit/qml: http://phosphor-escence.blogspot.com/2010/05/qml-sample-using-webkit.html Oct 21 19:05:07 npm: ! Oct 21 19:05:16 use a webview, yeah Oct 21 19:05:20 npm: Ok, I have seen this one Oct 21 19:05:31 npm: It creates a visible webkit widget in the UI Oct 21 19:05:44 with a webview, you can make JS calls into the HTML world Oct 21 19:05:46 npm: It lets you load URLs there, but that is about it, according to the reference Oct 21 19:07:10 thiago_home: agreed. that's why i think such approach is worth looking into Oct 21 19:07:51 npm:On the other hand, if that WebView is allowed to read local files, you may rig it with some proper javascript to take a temporary video file and do the Google stuff Oct 21 19:08:09 Still no video capture in QML though Oct 21 19:11:01 seems like that could be done in the app that integrates webkit: extend the embedded browser w/ native functionality to capture/play media Oct 21 19:12:04 QML is almost another language Oct 21 19:14:29 the L in QML is "Language" Oct 21 19:14:51 hmm. I thought it stood for 'love'. go figure Oct 21 19:14:51 L in QMLis JavaScript, actually :) Oct 21 19:15:02 ecmascript? Oct 21 19:15:07 As QML itself is supposed to be declarative :) Oct 21 19:15:13 npm: right Oct 21 19:15:23 a moment Oct 21 19:15:26 the Q is Qt Oct 21 19:15:31 the M is whatever you want it Oct 21 19:15:35 mega Oct 21 19:15:42 officially it's "Meta-object", which is meaningless for me Oct 21 19:15:47 I prefer "Magic" Oct 21 19:15:49 Qt Mega Love. I like it Oct 21 19:16:00 Mediocre Oct 21 19:16:32 Although, it is actually ok, just needs more work before it turns into Vala++ Oct 21 19:17:07 Quit Making Love? Oct 21 19:17:18 nope. that cant be it Oct 21 19:17:23 k Oct 21 19:17:23 npm: Qt+QML+JavaScript: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.0-beta/declarative.html Oct 21 19:18:01 npm: Actually a fat, all encompassing example Oct 21 19:23:08 seems like it just uses REST/etc to talk to webservices . the JS from the YT-direct wouldn't work and would need a total rewrite. e.g. all the jquery/DOM calls Oct 21 19:31:39 thiago_home: QM-OL Oct 21 19:31:50 O? Oct 21 19:32:34 thiago_home: meta-object, you said Oct 21 19:33:26 that's why I prefer "Magic" Oct 21 19:33:30 "Qt Magic Language" Oct 21 19:43:36 Q Meaning Less Oct 21 19:43:56 Qt More Lies Oct 21 19:55:20 qgil,thiago_home : meta-object can be represented by just "M", hence QML :) Oct 21 19:56:07 sivang: that's what marketing says Oct 21 19:56:11 I still think it means magic Oct 21 19:57:43 thiago_home: Fredric told pointed to me to the guy that sort of invented it, he also gave a lecture about how to extend it from C++ , maybe we can ask him? Apologies for forgetting his name... Oct 21 19:57:47 sivang: I believe the "Q" of QML means "QML" ;) Oct 21 19:58:10 qgil: ah, in the tradition of GNU's not unix? :=P Oct 21 19:58:37 marketing doesn't really like recursive acronyms Oct 21 19:59:25 they do, but the footnote ends up being longer than the document and typists complain or repetative strain injury :P Oct 21 19:59:26 thiago_home: "marketing" actually calls the whole thing Qt Quick Oct 21 19:59:46 right Oct 21 19:59:47 thiago_home: it has a lot of magic, but it does bind to the meta object machinery as it uses substantial subclassing to allow you to do just about everything, so meta object seems right :) Oct 21 20:00:09 qgil: it was explained in Munich that QML is one of the tools in Quick ::) Oct 21 20:00:26 sivang: "magic-meta-object" would also be "M" (and now I'll go back to work) Oct 21 20:00:38 qgil: heh have fun :) Oct 21 20:00:42 sivang: I'm in marketing and I got the lesson too :) Oct 21 20:00:48 hehe Oct 21 20:03:54 thiago_home: dev days were really something, it was strange going back to everyday routine after such an event, the OVI sprint was just as engaging and fun. Oct 21 20:04:19 qgil: did alex spehr contact you? Oct 21 20:06:09 nope thiago_home Oct 21 20:06:23 qgil: I'll ping her again Oct 21 20:06:38 thiago_home: "her"? Oct 21 20:07:01 yes Oct 21 20:17:29 errr... the Local Network events are advised to be added to events page with prefix 'LMN'. Yet the events page says something about 'Events are listed here once it is confirmed that MeeGo will have an official involvement'. What's the 'official' involvement? Oct 21 20:18:15 did I do something terribly wrong as I added next Tampere meeting there? Oct 21 20:18:57 in the wiki pages that is... Oct 21 20:28:11 nevermind, posted the question to community list Oct 21 22:32:31 Is devices.conf still used for resolutions outside the *norm*? Oct 21 22:44:19 Hm, is it possible to make accounts on Build Service yet? Oct 21 22:49:15 orospakr: nop, not yet http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder or you can setup your Oct 21 22:49:42 fair enough, thanks. :) Oct 21 23:11:12 any meego kernel specific patches I should know to build vanilla kernel for meego Oct 21 23:11:13 ? Oct 21 23:16:13 yes rittk , you might want to check http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source Oct 22 00:03:17 RST38h: timezones are a problem. You can use XHR in QML, and I think there's a QML camera API in mobility 1.1 Oct 22 00:03:32 RST38h: you might want to idle in #qt-qml :) Oct 22 00:05:50 RST38h: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdeclarativenetwork.html and http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdeclarativeglobalobject.html#xmlhttprequest Oct 22 00:08:27 hmm timezones Oct 22 00:22:51 Oo, SYN_COOKIES=n Oct 22 00:26:06 I prefer sin cookies Oct 22 00:28:51 * CosmoHill goes to bed Oct 22 00:35:55 good night Oct 22 01:13:26 lol2 Oct 22 01:13:52 IDEAPAD_ACPI=n **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 22 02:59:58 2010