**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 22 02:59:58 2010 Oct 22 03:40:05 meego on 2.6.36 vanilla (w/o any patches) works just fine at lenovo ideapad thing Oct 22 03:41:07 including wireless? Oct 22 03:43:56 wifi scannig still doesn't works Oct 22 03:44:18 manually configured works well Oct 22 03:47:30 btkiller and ts drivers works out-of-the-box as well Oct 22 03:49:59 I can share my .config is someone wants to try too Oct 22 04:01:05 btkiller? ts drivers? are those in meego? Oct 22 04:01:41 oh touch screen Oct 22 04:02:09 which wireless chipset is in the ideapad you have? what driver do you use under 2.6.36? Oct 22 04:13:22 atheros 9002 based Oct 22 04:13:29 driver ath9k Oct 22 04:16:26 ok, that's not going to help all of us with ideapads with broadcom wireless Oct 22 04:17:28 All the s10-3t's have broadcom wireless :/ Oct 22 04:18:19 I have s10-rt too Oct 22 04:18:23 *3t Oct 22 04:18:31 with atheros wifi? Oct 22 04:18:47 WTH Oct 22 04:19:52 yep Oct 22 04:19:55 I'm going to egg lenovo's headquarters Oct 22 04:20:09 all they keep sending us is s10-3t's with broadcom Oct 22 04:20:14 perhaps they do that to piss me off Oct 22 04:20:21 well, lspci says that at least Oct 22 04:20:36 what does lspci say? Oct 22 04:22:08 moment... Oct 22 04:33:21 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe (rev 01) Oct 22 04:33:23 07:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) Oct 22 04:46:35 you gotta be kidding me! I can't believe we have like 20 of those and all with fricken broadcom junk Oct 22 04:50:48 no, thats not a joke Oct 22 04:51:22 well that makes me cry, we literally have dozens of those without working wireless Oct 22 04:51:24 at least its not broadcom wireless Oct 22 04:51:28 I'll ask another guy who have such device to shom he his lspci output Oct 22 04:51:44 *show Oct 22 04:51:50 rittk: I think they just ship another wifi card in europe or something Oct 22 04:53:26 rittk, not that I know much about meego, but I do know on linux generally ath9k should handle that device, if it doesn't it might be because the pci:id may not be inside the list of devices that was to make modprobe/etc load ath9k Oct 22 04:54:19 sofar: might be. I got this one from US Oct 22 04:54:34 now you're just rubbing salt in my wound Oct 22 04:54:52 I bought all of mine in the US Oct 22 04:54:56 ours Oct 22 04:55:08 psycho_oreos: I have ath9k in my loaded modules list Oct 22 04:55:26 rittk, you should also have wlanX interface, that should be ath9k Oct 22 04:55:48 psycho_oreos: it works but meego's wifi configuration page doesn't shows me my wlan Oct 22 04:55:49 lspci -k will also verify it as well Oct 22 04:56:07 it shows some other wlans instead) Oct 22 04:56:20 rittk, I dunno I'd hack the script or something :D it might be expecting a specific interface naming Oct 22 04:59:33 it can be a meego issue, btw Oct 22 04:59:49 dunno how to scan manually Oct 22 05:00:19 iwlist wlanX {scan,scanning} Oct 22 05:00:26 hm Oct 22 05:00:35 * rittk boots again Oct 22 05:04:57 works Oct 22 05:05:05 my essis is there Oct 22 05:05:05 *essid Oct 22 05:06:03 I suppose you could probably manually connect to it but the meego UI may not be able to interface with it Oct 22 05:07:10 I already have a simple script that configures my wlan manually Oct 22 05:07:38 seems like thats a meego bug after all Oct 22 05:08:07 now you can file one up :) Oct 22 05:08:51 even more, probably thats a connman issue Oct 22 05:09:04 since meego uses it, afaik Oct 22 05:10:20 you're using a vanilla kernel Oct 22 05:10:27 could be a bug in there.. Oct 22 05:11:11 sofar: I have this issue for a while Oct 22 05:11:30 crappy wifi driver no matter what Oct 22 05:11:33 with meego 1.0, 1.0.90, 1.1.80 and now Oct 22 05:12:10 but iwlist shows my cell Oct 22 05:14:26 well, go ahead and re-open the bug there was Oct 22 05:14:29 I personally don't think its a crappy wifi driver issue. rittk reports the device has atheros wireless and broadcom wired.. his issue is with wireless and it has nothing to do with broadcom in which this case its a wired chipset Oct 22 05:14:31 against 1.1.80 Oct 22 05:15:11 where? Oct 22 05:15:28 psycho_oreos: you're missing the first half of the conversation where I said that our group has 20 lenovo s10-3t's with broadcom wireless Oct 22 05:16:23 sofar, in other words you're labelling atheros as crap? :) Oct 22 05:16:51 pretty much most wireless drivers are crap Oct 22 05:17:09 atheros works at very least) Oct 22 05:18:10 at least if there's an issue with an intel wireless driver I can walk 40ft and hit someone on the head with it :) Oct 22 05:19:10 but companies like lenovo put code in the BIOS that makes the system unbootable unless it has the most unsupported wireless chipset for linux in it Oct 22 05:19:26 or none at all Oct 22 05:20:25 and yet you purchased lenovo for that :D Oct 22 05:20:48 I even tried to contact their support lines and ask them about it, but they hang up on me Oct 22 05:21:02 there's 4 companies that I know which does that, lenovo is one of the 4.. and for the very same reason I have those 4 companies on my blacklist Oct 22 05:21:18 well we needed multitouch capable devices Oct 22 05:21:24 and there was only 1 Oct 22 05:21:46 now there's 2, but it's HP and they're not on the market yet Oct 22 05:21:54 oh, and they have..... Oct 22 05:21:59 broadcom wireless! Oct 22 05:22:23 HP is the other one that also does wireless card whitelisting (through minipci/minipcie ports) Oct 22 05:23:44 why do you need multitouch capable devices ? Oct 22 05:24:06 mt doesn't works in meego anyways) Oct 22 05:24:06 can't really test a multitouch UI without one, can you? Oct 22 05:24:08 also in a foreseeable future, issues with broadcom wireless may be irrelevant as they have released their own open sourced version driver for their latest chipsets. Oct 22 05:24:29 psycho_oreos: you're assuming that will be (1) stable, and (2) mergable Oct 22 05:24:49 I have large doubts about the stabilty given the testing we already did with it Oct 22 05:25:50 sofar, yes I'm assuming, not that I'm defending/supporting broadcom in any way but it is a beginning that they've finally managed to get their head around the alternative platforms. Oct 22 05:25:50 which WM meego uses for now? Oct 22 05:26:10 don't get me wrong, it's a huge step from broadcom Oct 22 05:26:17 it's just really bad it takes them this long Oct 22 05:26:45 rittk: MTF(qt) on handset, still clutter for netbook Oct 22 05:27:28 hi i have set up OBS on my machine but am not able to schedule the buld the scheduler log shows the following error connect to linux-6nof.SH.COM:5352: Connection refused Oct 22 05:27:28 could not get project/package information, sleeping 1 minute Oct 22 05:27:28 retrying... Oct 22 05:27:28 , can somebody help? Oct 22 05:27:48 there's still a few others that haven't really moved in yet.. and there are still some newly adopted linux native platform support manufacturers that have yet to support all their other variants (points to the likes of marvell) Oct 22 05:27:54 priyanka__: try the OBS irc channel? Oct 22 05:28:22 probably I'd want to test this one http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/Antico?content=93778 Oct 22 05:28:26 #sofar was trying building meego so asked on this channel Oct 22 05:28:57 try #obs, it's an obs error... Oct 22 05:34:06 priyanka__: there's not that many people around at this time, and there are only very few people here that know OBS well enough to get it working (a handful, if that) Oct 22 06:20:30 Hi! can anybody suggest where can I find latest handset release? Oct 22 06:20:41 http://repo.meego.com Oct 22 06:30:08 moin Oct 22 07:10:28 is meego going to kill symbian ? Oct 22 07:11:47 Does sound work properly on handset version? Oct 22 07:11:59 Linex, hope so :) Oct 22 07:13:07 why you hope so? Oct 22 07:13:07 taking into account recent news it very much looks like it Oct 22 07:13:18 dm8tbr: like what news ? Oct 22 07:13:25 link please Oct 22 07:13:53 nokia axing 1800 people, where lots of those will be symbian people Oct 22 07:14:23 dm8tbr: that news actually means the polar opposite Oct 22 07:14:46 aha, enlighten me Oct 22 07:14:47 dm8tbr: recent news made Symbian stronger if anything Oct 22 07:15:20 Symbian^3 is not going away, there is no ^4 to insta-kill it Oct 22 07:16:06 conspiracy theories and rumours, the best breakfast... Oct 22 07:16:09 so you think it's going to stay and will be a part of the happy Qt driven family? Oct 22 07:16:13 there was news about symbian 4 in taloussanomat.fi Oct 22 07:16:33 Myrtti: innit? :) Oct 22 07:17:02 "nokia is going to stop separate symbian 4 development, focusing to QT" Oct 22 07:18:04 that just means Symbian^3 became THE Symbian instead of being a transitional release Oct 22 07:18:21 basically they're going to be providing continuous updates to symbian Oct 22 07:18:22 don't you people have something constructive to do like actually developing MeeGo and the community behind it instead of stabbing other mobile OS's and wasting your time on rumourmongering? Just wondering... please, don't answer... I'll just return to my video editing Oct 22 07:18:43 avidemux ? Oct 22 07:18:49 which is something lots of people complanied about, buying nokia phone and then next month there's new model out and your old one never gets any of the updates Oct 22 07:19:01 lbt: openshot Oct 22 07:19:17 not tried that... Oct 22 07:19:22 will tell Denise Oct 22 07:20:44 I rather like this, used it for editing achipa's presentation and making my youtube video about my failing Nexus One Oct 22 07:21:37 the Collaboration Summit ones were made with a Mac software because I didn't find one liked enough Oct 22 07:21:40 avidemux has been around forever and is failry decent... but not good for things like re-arranging Oct 22 07:39:29 meeeh, Ville isn't around... Oct 22 08:20:23 Hi, does anyone know how to set an icon to MAction instance? I want to show some icon on toolbar button, but don't how to do it Oct 22 08:22:24 you do it in MAction constructor Oct 22 08:22:41 "MAction (const QString &iconID, const QString &text, QObject *parent)" Oct 22 08:25:13 Yes, there is IconId string parameter in constructor, so I created qrc file and added picture for the icon there. And then passed the name of this picture like ":/path/name" as an iconId parameter to constructor. But when program starts it prints "pixmap reload failed (null handle)" message to app output Oct 22 08:25:54 and app shows red bar on toolbar button instead of picture Oct 22 08:25:56 ravliq, hi, check this as an example: http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-controlpanelapplets/blobs/master/src/wallpaperapplet/wallpaperwidget.cpp#line151 Oct 22 08:26:20 thanks, I'll check Oct 22 08:28:40 hi, did anyone have issues with mic-create-image recent? Oct 22 08:34:14 whats the simplest hello program for meego ? Oct 22 08:34:30 #!/bin/sh Oct 22 08:34:34 echo "Hello world" Oct 22 08:34:52 #!/bin/sh Oct 22 08:34:52 : Oct 22 08:34:58 is simpler :) Oct 22 08:35:13 that doesn't output "Hello world" :-) Oct 22 08:38:44 I vote for Qt Creator's new qml program wizard Oct 22 08:40:40 but hey: meego is using bugzilla to track features, right? anybody know any good reasons *not* to do the same in a possibly related project? Oct 22 08:41:01 what I mean is, what's the worst thing about doing that in bugzilla, I guess :) Oct 22 08:44:24 thiago: but that a console bash script thingy. I mean a GUI one. Oct 22 08:45:03 Actually, come to think of it. meego is just a distro of linux. Oct 22 08:45:22 nothing more than that. Oct 22 08:45:43 it's a fairly targetted one and architectured towards specific use cases, yeah Oct 22 08:45:47 but it's a distro Oct 22 08:46:46 I never thought of it that way until thiago gave me that cheeky example. Oct 22 08:47:48 it's real linux, on your mobile computer Oct 22 08:47:48 :P Oct 22 08:48:38 anything with linux and any userland packaged together is a linux distro Oct 22 08:48:39 so the simplest GUI "Hello world" is the one you already know how to make Oct 22 08:48:49 hena: technically, yes Oct 22 08:49:07 hena: in practice, only the standard Linux userland receives that denomination Oct 22 08:49:20 gnu/linux? Oct 22 08:49:21 * Stskeeps ducks Oct 22 08:49:26 so it excludes Android Oct 22 08:49:29 which would be gnu? :) Oct 22 08:49:48 thiago: a pure qt hellp world will run on meego ? Oct 22 08:50:03 but how can you not call linux with apps a linux distro if it doesn't have gnu userland? ;) Oct 22 08:50:09 Linex: yes Oct 22 08:50:39 i wish rms was here... he'd get a kick out of this :p Oct 22 08:51:00 thiago: so its like 90% Qt programming when done on meego ? Oct 22 08:51:15 Linex: yes Oct 22 08:52:13 thiago: thats really cool. In that case, I know quite a bit already. So whats the main meego specific stuff ? Oct 22 08:53:08 jjeej Oct 22 08:53:11 the architecture, the UI style, etc. Oct 22 08:54:46 thiago: its like certain classes and functions more geared towards netbook/mobile gadgets. Oct 22 08:54:57 nice, thanks for the 101 Oct 22 08:58:43 Anyone here on gentoo ? I managed to boot meego image from the qemu-kvm but it slow as hell. Oct 22 09:00:12 Linex: sounds like KVM is not enabled ... in those cases, it's more like an emulation than virtualisation Oct 22 09:00:40 (make sure the kvm module is really loaded) Oct 22 09:01:05 (and check that it does not produce any errors to dmesg when loading it) Oct 22 09:01:05 dazo: maybe, I will try again at home but I was quite sure I had modprobed kvm-intel Oct 22 09:01:29 Linex: you need to modprobe kvm ... and kvm-intel is loaded automatically Oct 22 09:01:47 dazo: yep. lsmod shows both loaded Oct 22 09:02:09 dazo: what about the gl part ? Oct 22 09:02:18 Linex: On my box I had to disable some BIOS features (TXT stuff), or else the kvm did not load properly Oct 22 09:02:39 dazo: does kvm means gl part is taken care of too ? Oct 22 09:02:51 it was listed in lsmod, but dmesg showed some errors .... and all virt stuff was dead slow Oct 22 09:03:22 Linex, no Oct 22 09:03:32 dazo: I run other guests ,eg a centos and fedora . They are fine and fast. Oct 22 09:03:37 Linex: gl part? you mean the graphical API stuff? ... that shouldn't really be that related ... but it needs the proper video driver inside the VM Oct 22 09:04:17 dazo: so the slowness is not due the gl part. Oct 22 09:04:53 Linex: check the video adapter you've assigned to your VM, and make sure it's supported ... it might be that the VM video adapter don't work so well with GL requirements Oct 22 09:05:43 dazo: I think mine is the default. I think its cirrus or something Oct 22 09:06:46 you'll have to check what the log files in the VM says then ... to make sure GL is really activated. Oct 22 09:07:36 in the VM , ok. Oct 22 09:10:11 * CosmoHill yawns and stretches Oct 22 09:10:15 morning Oct 22 09:27:54 jedix: are u there? Oct 22 09:51:51 no sym^4 huh Oct 22 09:52:24 well the N8 has just been released and it's the first phone to have sym^3 Oct 22 09:52:36 or did you mean that there will never be a sym^4? Oct 22 09:52:50 yeah i meant that there will never be a sym^4 and that sym^3 will lose the 3 Oct 22 09:53:47 why most of tutorials can not built in meego dev environment? Oct 22 09:54:48 Nokia staff working on Symbian development in Cambridge were sent home yesterday, while the London crowd sloped off early after being told that 300 will lose their jobs Oct 22 09:55:05 :(( Oct 22 09:55:37 oh man Oct 22 09:55:54 well, with meego symbian's future was insecure on way or the other i guess... but still, job cuts never are a nice thing Oct 22 09:57:50 so elop does not see a meego on nokia devices before 2011 Oct 22 09:57:57 How many people is Meego Devices right now? Oct 22 09:58:12 th0br0: 2011 isn't very far away Oct 22 09:58:31 true. but which part of 2011 :) Oct 22 09:58:47 th0br0: ;) Oct 22 09:59:03 at summer they promised meego device 2011/Q1 Oct 22 09:59:09 mh k Oct 22 09:59:09 donno about current situation Oct 22 10:01:30 Hey hey! Oct 22 10:01:38 mshaver about? Oct 22 10:15:04 dneary: It's a tad early for that. Oct 22 10:15:45 X-Fade, He could be a morning person :) Oct 22 10:15:57 X-Fade, Do you know if ferenc is around this week? Oct 22 10:16:19 dneary: At 3:12am, that is quite early ;) Oct 22 10:17:05 I thought it was -8h from here - it's -9? Oct 22 10:17:16 dneary: I think he is back later today. He's travelling. Oct 22 10:17:24 cool Oct 22 10:17:45 It'd be excellent to get that mod_rewrite thing for bugzilla tested Oct 22 10:32:44 hi, Oct 22 10:35:43 th0br0: hi, today is not my HD is my netbook charger broken. incredible Oct 22 10:36:45 :S kedz Oct 22 10:36:50 eeh :S niala. that sucks Oct 22 10:40:20 th0br0: the funy think is that is always on friday when the delivery man aren't working on WE Oct 22 11:18:27 morning Oct 22 11:19:29 afternoon Oct 22 11:19:34 could anyone help with touchpad? Oct 22 11:21:27 model? Oct 22 11:24:22 lenovo s10-3t netbook Oct 22 11:24:34 works fine with clean install in Ubuntu Oct 22 11:24:42 works in Sabayon Oct 22 11:25:15 but in MeeGo I can't use double tap at right lower corner as right-click Oct 22 11:25:43 known issue Oct 22 11:25:56 It's a bug? Oct 22 11:25:56 I'd want to know how to fix that too :) Oct 22 11:26:04 funny :) Oct 22 11:26:15 incomplete support, I guess Oct 22 11:26:19 so, yes - its a bug Oct 22 11:26:29 In Sabayon I've done some modifiers in hal configs Oct 22 11:26:44 there is no hal in meego Oct 22 11:26:48 I see Oct 22 11:27:09 andwhatchanges you did? Oct 22 11:27:34 heh Oct 22 11:27:38 (stupid space button) Oct 22 11:28:03 I'll be back later - need to restart Xorg Oct 22 11:32:06 ohhh, I didn't write any notice about my touchpad in Sabayon Oct 22 11:35:57 rittk I've found this This release works with udev for input hotplugging and supports /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*.conf as replacement for the hal .fdi files. After upgrading to this release, configuration for input devices in hal is ignored and should be done by udev rules or xorg.conf.d files. Oct 22 11:50:01 hi Oct 22 11:50:03 all Oct 22 11:50:31 someone can tellme where I can see aviable aplication for meego on n900? Oct 22 11:51:27 even if they are in development... Oct 22 12:31:02 well, is there any way to add _custom_ icon to toolbar button in MeegoTouch app? Oct 22 12:40:27 ravliq, what do you mean when you say "custom" ? Oct 22 12:42:29 ravliq, the example what you said should work, and if you want a different icon that the default ones then you should install you icon to "/usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/$YOURAPPNAME/images/ANIMAGE.PNG" and you can refer your ANIMAGE.PNG as "ANIMAGE" icon id Oct 22 12:42:54 ravliq, $YOURAPPNAME ^ in this example should be the binary name of your meegotouch application Oct 22 12:42:59 this might help: http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/theme_structure.html Oct 22 12:43:07 and the rest of the docs as well Oct 22 12:43:18 ravliq, alternatively you can install "/usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/$YOURAPPNAME/svg/ANIMAGE.SVG" if your image is scalable Oct 22 12:44:56 kedz, thanks, that is probably what I need Oct 22 12:45:40 ColKilkenny, wow... that documentation seems to be outdated a bit... it refers to DUI in several places... which is renamed to LMT long time ago... :-S Oct 22 12:46:00 DUI => MTF Oct 22 12:46:06 :P Oct 22 12:48:38 Driving Under Influence? Oct 22 12:48:47 is this mean that I can not use my images in my app if they are included to qrc file of the app? Oct 22 12:48:49 Developing, not driving Oct 22 12:49:09 is that punishable nowadays also? :/ Oct 22 12:50:07 judging by the symbian layoffs.. Oct 22 12:50:07 :P Oct 22 12:52:30 ravliq, not in this way... it seems that MAction only can use image-ids from theme... Oct 22 12:53:32 ColKilkenny, Copy the content to the wiki, update it, and the wiki will become the definitive reference Oct 22 12:53:53 that's sad Oct 22 12:57:03 ravliq, but it seems the parent of this MAction which is QAction is also only supports QIcon as an icon... (but maybe there is a way to transform any pixmap to QIcon... haven't checked...) Oct 22 12:58:56 ravliq, aha! yes, because MAction is a QAction also, maybe you can try to transform your pixmap (from qrc) to QIcon, and you can call the MAction->setIcon () method ( http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qaction.html#icon-prop ) Oct 22 13:00:47 ravliq, hm.. try this : MAction->setIcon (QIcon(":/your/image.png")); Oct 22 13:07:17 kedz, I'm trying now ) Oct 22 13:09:55 kedz, seems like setIcon() method has no effect for MAction - nothing is shown for the button and no error messages Oct 22 13:11:20 l2tp: show me your hal rules then? Oct 22 13:11:40 ravliq, ouch... :-S then the only way is installing your images to proper place... but in this way, theme creators are able to replace your icons :-) Oct 22 13:12:20 kedz, ok... ( Oct 22 13:25:15 rittk I haven't I can give you smth about xorg.conf.d and touchpad Oct 22 13:26:37 l2tp: huh? Oct 22 13:34:07 rittk, did you try to make smth with /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-input-synaptics.conf ? Oct 22 13:35:00 hey slaine Oct 22 13:35:35 l2tp: smth == something ? Oct 22 13:35:48 rttk yes Oct 22 13:38:43 l2tp: nope then Oct 22 13:39:26 rittk ok, did you see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Input_device_configuration ? Oct 22 13:39:48 never Oct 22 13:40:05 let's try :) Oct 22 13:42:30 what does mean this error /usr/lib/libqttracker.so: undefined reference to `QMetaType::registerTypedef(char const*, int)' ? Oct 22 13:44:11 did you remove QtCore ?:) Oct 22 13:45:48 rittk, is it answer on my question? Oct 22 13:47:15 well its one of possible aswers Oct 22 13:47:56 no, I did not Oct 22 13:48:43 how to check it? Oct 22 13:49:09 zypper search qt | grep "^i" Oct 22 13:49:48 nicolai: I am now Oct 22 13:50:07 thanks Oct 22 13:53:03 jedix: I am sitting next to a gui who is struggling to set up OBS, and we have seen that you have created some wikis regarding this, so we hope that you are the right person to discuss this Oct 22 13:54:18 I can certainly help, but I have only set up obs 1.8 Oct 22 13:56:01 have you set up this loacally (which we tried and failed with), or are you also responsibe for the community builder? Oct 22 13:57:26 nicolai: I've just set one up locally Oct 22 14:02:47 jedix: when we start obsworker we end up with the error message "cannot access bs_worker" Oct 22 14:03:10 nicolai: did you follow the wiki? Oct 22 14:03:46 I guess so (I was not doing this myself, but the guy next to me, mom I will pass on the keyboard) Oct 22 14:05:33 nicolai: there's another guide at http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS that might be easier for some Oct 22 14:05:35 jedix: yes we followed the wiki on /OBS_setup....there is the obs-worker configuration: is this pointing to the local machine ? Oct 22 14:06:04 jedix: ok I'll have a look Oct 22 14:07:38 nicolai: every worker needs to be setup to point to your obs server. If you're going to use the server as a worker as well, then you need to point it to the local machine.. otherwise, it needs to point to the server Oct 22 14:08:40 If you're getting "cannot access bs_worker" you might want to check the permissions on /usr/lib/obs/server/bs_worker and /usr/lib/obs/server/worker/bs_worker Oct 22 14:12:22 jedix: those direcories are not existing on my machine.. Oct 22 14:12:44 Did you `zypper in obs-worker` ? Oct 22 14:13:02 actually: zypper in obs-worker qemu-svn mount-static bash-static Oct 22 14:13:23 jedix: yes.. Oct 22 14:13:44 jedix: propably I should re-try with the other guide first.. Oct 22 14:14:02 sure Oct 22 14:14:10 I'm wondering if you're using 1.8 Oct 22 14:17:12 jedix: thanks for now...will study the wiki you mentioned and re-check my installation...thanks for your time Oct 22 14:23:52 how do I start a console in the raw image. I got it up running in qemu-kvm. Oct 22 14:34:18 dneary__: ping Oct 22 14:35:32 qgil, pong Oct 22 14:35:32 qgil: pong Oct 22 14:35:43 I pong first. Oct 22 14:35:45 there is some acho here :) Oct 22 14:35:47 echo Oct 22 14:35:53 Linex, Who gave you a bat? :) Oct 22 14:36:03 let try again. Oct 22 14:36:04 Linex, I ponged first in my client Oct 22 14:36:24 dneary: thanks for the very interesting answers on http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_vs_Android Oct 22 14:36:30 qgil, NP Oct 22 14:36:49 can I assign you as coordinator of the task - meaning no more obligation that "get it started and making sure it moves forward"? Oct 22 14:37:17 One of the reasons I agreed is that I've also agreed to write an objective (if that's possible for me) review of the state of the MeeGo project up to this point, due the end of next week - so I will be doing quite a bit of the analysis anyway Oct 22 14:37:24 dneary: this is one of the tasks that would be cool to complete during 1.2 Oct 22 14:37:32 Yes - that's what I had understood I was agreeing to Oct 22 14:37:54 Don't talk version numbers to me - I am not privvy to release calendars :) Oct 22 14:37:58 dneary: wow, that is very interesting. Can you tell who is the commissioner? Oct 22 14:38:21 qgil, Not commissioned, doing it on request, for VisionMobile Oct 22 14:38:31 qgil, Do you think I should ask for money? :) Oct 22 14:38:33 dneary: very cool Oct 22 14:38:56 qgil, Don't say that before you read it... Oct 22 14:39:24 dneary: the fact that Vision Mobile is interested and you are planning to do it is already cool :) Oct 22 14:39:40 qgil, To be honest, I think we're quite a long way behind Android at this point - and the places where we can be different (by allowing participation on an equal footing by partner companies) I'm not sure we're doing very well up to this point Oct 22 14:39:58 So... let's see Oct 22 14:39:58 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_vs_Android very good read. Oct 22 14:41:15 dneary: the key point nowadays is on the ODMs: are they happy about the Android platform and their relationship with Google? are they happy with the MeeGo platform and their relationship with the MeeGo project? Oct 22 14:42:05 qgil, For me, ODMs will go where the market pulls them Oct 22 14:42:11 And the market likes android Oct 22 14:42:19 Because it's an alternative to Apple Oct 22 14:42:51 Android Market might be killing itself right now by letting ODMs and operators customise a little too much Oct 22 14:42:53 dneary: well, the "market" is made among other things of ODMs. Operators too, very important at this point: are they happy about Google winning in som many fronts? Oct 22 14:43:46 So you have operator-or ODM-specific marketplaces, apps which work with one version by not another, and famously one ISV that said that they had to test & maintain slight deltas for 100 different variants of Maemo across different devices Oct 22 14:44:04 dneary: it would be great if Vision Mobile or somneone would pay you go and ask what actually "the market" thinks about Android, and whether they like it or not Oct 22 14:44:19 qgil, You don't agree with the changes in the value chain which iPhone-like models have allowed? Oct 22 14:44:43 The revenue stream models have changed - and operators have become bandwidth providers. Oct 22 14:45:08 dneary: sure, I'm only saying that nowadays "volumes" are more defined by ODM and operator strategies, even if all the fuzz is around app developers and end users excited about UXs Oct 22 14:45:11 qgil, Coincidentally, VisionMobile had a report about android earlier this year Oct 22 14:45:24 What about the spanish people, are they happy that you all took the 'a' out of 'ameego' ? I think Android will get a lot of spanish votes. Oct 22 14:46:26 qgil, Here's the one I was thinking of: http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2010/07/mobile-developer-economics-2010-the-migration-of-developer-mindshare/ Oct 22 14:48:27 Also: http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2010/04/is-android-evil/ Oct 22 14:48:39 dneary: if I recall correctly that report, it's a picture about the present and about the "developer mindset" - and I agree with the conclusions. I'm only saying that ODMs and operators think ahead of today, and their opinions don't necessarely map those of app developers Oct 22 14:48:49 duesseldorf, hoffentlich Oct 22 14:48:57 d'oh Oct 22 14:49:11 höre ich da düsseldorf? ;) Oct 22 14:49:22 qgil, Ronan made a point to me earlier that "developers don't always go where the biggest market share is - Symbian's shown that" Oct 22 14:49:41 qgil: Won't you say though that it is developers opinions that trail the current market situation? Oct 22 14:49:53 I think that developers will lead operators in deciding on their platforms going forward, not the other way around. Oct 22 14:50:08 If there's one mammoth change Android's brought to the game, it's that Oct 22 14:50:11 i.e. the market (defined by ODMs and operators) is the proverbial egg to developers' chicken? Oct 22 14:50:22 The model of ISVs building mobile apps on order from operators is dead Oct 22 14:51:10 steinex: yep. i'll arive in dus in about 3 hrs Oct 22 14:51:28 Aard: i'm in dus actually. ;) Oct 22 14:51:34 dneary: if ODMs and operators believe that by selling their sould to Android they are selling a significant % of their business and revenue to Google, then Android will struggle no matter what developers think about it Oct 22 14:51:42 dneary: the spread of virtual operators has also thinned the market a bit, i think Oct 22 14:52:00 ie, more operators on the market Oct 22 14:52:10 RST38h, I see it as developers (bleeding edge momentum users) create sexiness around platform, creating a market for phones running the platform (seeded by spending heavily with one ODM, HTC), creating market demand for the platform, devices running it, and apps which it provides Oct 22 14:52:47 And let's not forget that even on the G1, Android was gorgeous - a really nice user experience Oct 22 14:52:52 steinex: i'd say 'lets go for a beer' - if may one-week-vacation would not been that packed with stuff already... Oct 22 14:52:53 dneary: Sure it is developers and not the platform owner (i.e. Apple or Google)? Oct 22 14:53:15 Aard: well, i'm working :/ Oct 22 14:53:20 dneary: Consider how iPhone was considered "cool" even before Jobs allowed applications on it Oct 22 14:53:29 Aard: or better... i should be working ;) Oct 22 14:53:38 Google did the smart thing by (1) building a nice platform, (2) giving a shitload of G1s away to the cool application developer kids Oct 22 14:54:16 RST38h, The iPhone is an exception in so many ways - but it did set the standard for those following it Oct 22 14:54:19 dneary: another interesting aspect is that MeeGo can host Dalvik and integrate Google services Oct 22 14:54:34 steinex: i'll hopefully not do that during the next week ;) Oct 22 14:54:37 qgil, Cool. I'd like to see that Oct 22 14:55:16 dneary: that WeTab is already promising that runs Android apps - haven't checked myself Oct 22 14:55:25 qgil: Will Nokia+Intel approve of that though? Oct 22 14:55:57 RST38h: you don't need Nokia/Intel to approve, anyone can maijntain a Dalvik port and any vendors can ship it Oct 22 14:56:02 qgil, I'll send you an advance copy for feedback & comment, if you'd like Oct 22 14:56:15 dneary: thank you! Oct 22 14:56:31 I'll even read you your Miranda rights. Oct 22 14:56:43 qgil: Would actually be pretty cool =) Oct 22 14:57:02 "You have the right to remain silent. If you choose not to exercise this right, anything you say can and will be used against you in the article." Oct 22 14:57:15 dneary: works for mmmpppfffff Oct 22 14:57:27 Joking :) Oct 22 14:57:34 mmppffmmmff Oct 22 14:58:04 I gotta say, though - the insistence on including ConnMan for compliant distributions is confusing me. Oct 22 14:58:34 And Greg's referrals to "other distributions already shipping MeeGo without ConnMan" also confuses me Oct 22 14:59:46 oh no Connman again - does Google allow to change the connectivity module to Android device manufacturers? :) Oct 22 15:00:27 qgil, I thought you were interested in ways MeeGo was different to Android? ;) Oct 22 15:00:56 dneary: I believe this is not a difference: in both platforms you need to ship certain code in order to be compliant Oct 22 15:04:13 dneary: opensuse's trademark guidelines exactly say exactly the same, must base upon opensuse releases.. Oct 22 15:04:36 that we don't have 'seperate name' for netbook ux is another interesting thing Oct 22 15:05:10 Stskeeps, The very limited definition of compliance in the UX level is *very* interesting Oct 22 15:05:22 (I mean, core applications are not specified Oct 22 15:06:00 GNOME says "this is the GNOME email client, this is the GNOME text editor, etc." - in some sense, MeeGo is defining even less than that. Seems more based on LSB than on a full stack Oct 22 15:06:31 netbook's special cos it's really the ugly sheep of the other ux'es, uses gtk, mutter, clutter.. Oct 22 15:06:47 and apps are meant to build on core apis instead (qt) Oct 22 15:06:49 dneary: MeeGo is obsessed about the official API and the pieces that provide that API Oct 22 15:07:01 dneary: not about a common look & feel or set of apps Oct 22 15:07:56 which reminds me i promised to respond to mats' responses to my review comments.. Oct 22 15:08:12 * Stskeeps gets on the emailing bandwagon Oct 22 15:09:26 Stskeeps, Hey! What what you're saying about Clutter & GTK+ Oct 22 15:09:56 dneary: from a MeeGo perspective they are legacy Oct 22 15:10:09 Stskeeps, Just because Nokia's pushing Qt as the standard UI toolkit for developers on MeeGo doesn't mean that they're ugly Oct 22 15:10:16 what does the "supported architecture" part of the compliance spec mean? You can't call it meego if you make it run on ARM9, Cell or AMD ? Oct 22 15:10:52 dneary: the MeeGo project is "pushing Qt as the standard UI toolkit for developers on MeeGo" Oct 22 15:11:21 dneary: it wasn't about the look cos netbook ux looks nice :) Oct 22 15:11:31 dneary: just that if looking at the other ux's, it stands out Oct 22 15:12:05 berndhs: I guess those architectures need to be maintained first in the MeeGo context, being part of the release cycle etc? Oct 22 15:12:47 well, it doesn't really say a compliant meego has to support both Oct 22 15:13:29 and I don't see why it should say that you cannot support something else Oct 22 15:14:00 or why the spec should say an architecture has to be approved by TSG Oct 22 15:14:14 berndhs: i can try to explain as i understand it if you'll hear me out.. Oct 22 15:14:22 ok Oct 22 15:14:34 as i've been quite involved with the arm port Oct 22 15:15:00 yes I'm thankful for your involvment there Oct 22 15:16:02 berndhs: as I see it, it's not about the TSG approving architectures but about an architecture going through the development and Q&A process just like anybody else Oct 22 15:16:12 berndhs: so, let's start with an example - let's say i do a GruntMaster CPU port of Fedora where i use my own toolchain patches, i don't follow Fedora's processes (QA, etc) .. is it Fedora? Oct 22 15:16:58 berndhs: the way new architecures would be included would be contributing a base, integrating into meego releases processes, contributing QA resources, fixing bugs specific to GruntMaster CPU when they come up Oct 22 15:17:27 when it's been done through meego processes and published from meego.com naturally it would be approved Oct 22 15:18:37 that's the trademark part of the compliant architectures Oct 22 15:18:57 right, so it is that following the same processes in a verifiable, involved way shows compatibility from a QA point of view Oct 22 15:19:22 not only a set of test results Oct 22 15:19:35 it is basically 'coming from the meego project and being verified in same way other architectures are' Oct 22 15:20:05 yes i can see that Oct 22 15:21:01 the wording in the doc sounds somewhat exclusionary, but on the other side I don't see other CPU manufacturers linind up and being denied Oct 22 15:21:59 maybe the short section comes from all the complaints "it doesn't run on my ToasterCPU0.9" Oct 22 15:30:43 thiago: reading http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/10/20/ubuntu-and-qt/ it says "Meanwhile, Canonical has been working with the community to develop a low-level multi-touch framework for Linux and X11, for the benefit of Qt and other toolkits. These efforts will eventually meet in the middle." Oct 22 15:30:47 thiago: is it so? Oct 22 15:35:41 yes, we're talking to them Oct 22 15:35:54 they are part of my intended task-force to get touch working Oct 22 15:35:59 X.org work and gtk Oct 22 15:38:15 is there any kind of usbnet UI available on meego ? Oct 22 15:38:33 on n900 or on netbook? Oct 22 15:38:41 n900 Oct 22 15:39:00 it's constantly configured as usbnet Oct 22 15:39:03 192.168.2.15 , root/meego Oct 22 15:40:17 hmm Oct 22 15:40:25 cdc_eem kernel module on host ide Oct 22 15:40:28 side Oct 22 15:40:41 ok, is it modprobe'd by default ? Oct 22 15:41:05 by your host? dunno Oct 22 15:41:05 lsmod Oct 22 15:41:55 DawnFoster, Ping? Oct 22 15:42:02 Stskeeps: ok, i got it Oct 22 15:42:09 hey dneary Oct 22 15:42:29 DawnFoster, I have a way to do post-only with stock mailman - no patching required! You can create mailing lists, can't you? Oct 22 15:42:32 Stskeeps: does meego have any app that configures an usbnet interface ? Oct 22 15:42:48 dneary: I need to respond to that thread Oct 22 15:42:56 Stskeeps: as maemo does have one called "usbnet-ui", afaik Oct 22 15:43:03 OK - let me just send the info I got then Oct 22 15:43:04 I really don't want anyone to be able to post to the lists unless they have subscribed Oct 22 15:43:25 pcacjr: no, it starts up usbnet constantly, we don't switch usb gadget modes Oct 22 15:43:36 by subscribing, the user is taking an explicit action indicating that they know what they have signed up fo Oct 22 15:43:39 r Oct 22 15:43:43 * pcacjr nods Oct 22 15:43:46 got it, thanks Oct 22 15:44:30 Basically, if you create a mailing list called "post-only", which no-one can post to but anyone can join, and then add "@post-only" to the "accept_these_non_members" config option for each list where you want to allow post-only posts, you're good to go Oct 22 15:44:53 DawnFoster, The problem is silently dropping mails from non-members Oct 22 15:45:00 They should at least go into moderation Oct 22 15:45:08 nothing silent about it Oct 22 15:45:19 Sometimes, you want to inform a team of something, but don't want to commit to getting X emails a day Oct 22 15:45:23 they get an explicit message saying they need to subscribe and resend Oct 22 15:45:26 reply-all culture is a bit of a sideeffect of the reply-to stuff.. Oct 22 15:45:36 you can subscribe and set it to no email Oct 22 15:45:49 The solution is to subscribe, send your email, and unsubscribe Oct 22 15:45:57 Or subscribe and set nomail, as you say Oct 22 15:46:18 But you're pushing quite a burden on the outsider in that situation Oct 22 15:46:20 DawnFoster: i wonder if we can do the 'subscribe-and-set-to-nomail' in a shortcut url in the mail Oct 22 15:46:43 Better to say "your email is in moderation. If you want to ensure it arrives quicker, consider signing up" Oct 22 15:47:11 isn't it a problem in the first place that people are crossposting? :P Oct 22 15:47:15 dneary: I prefer not to moderate these Oct 22 15:47:17 Not at all Oct 22 15:47:38 sometimes people *meant* to send something to the list Oct 22 15:47:39 Stskeeps, Especially when the number of mailing lists is growing Oct 22 15:47:57 sometimes people don't realize they've sent something to a list with thousands of people Oct 22 15:48:11 they should choose whether they meant to post it to our list or not Oct 22 15:48:24 Stskeeps, Look at the multitouch discussion on meego-dev - I'm interested, it's partly an architecture decision, partly a multitouch topic, and of interest to meego-dev in general Oct 22 15:48:44 we've already had one serious case of someone sending a big chunk of proprietary stuff because they didn't realize it was a public list Oct 22 15:48:56 DawnFoster, Pointer to archives? Oct 22 15:48:56 in that case, they chose not to resend to the list Oct 22 15:49:01 I missed that :) Oct 22 15:49:26 post-only is different, you're signing up to be able to post to all lists Oct 22 15:49:35 It's an explicit action Oct 22 15:49:37 it didn't go through because they weren't subscribed Oct 22 15:49:55 but we also don't want drive by posts from trolls Oct 22 15:50:02 Alternatively, have a moderation queue, and recruit half a dozen moderators Oct 22 15:50:07 and your solution encourages it Oct 22 15:50:30 dneary: as I said before, I want the person sending the message to decide whether they really want to send it to the list Oct 22 15:50:33 not a moderator Oct 22 15:50:46 I wouldn't propose it if it hadn't been used successfully in a number of projects previously - GNOME, EFF, ... Oct 22 15:51:16 DawnFoster, I would argue that they decided when they set the list address in the To or CC field Oct 22 15:51:27 We can't protect people from themselves too much Oct 22 15:51:40 thanks thiago - when they presented their touch effort that kept me wondering where that was supposed to fit in the Xorg / freedesktop.org efforts and now it seems clearer Oct 22 15:51:41 no, but we can put the decision on that user Oct 22 15:52:05 by signing up, they are taking the responsibility for understanding what they signed up for Oct 22 15:52:31 otherwise, the moderator is taking the responsibilty for deciding what the user meant to do. Oct 22 15:52:44 I'm putting the decision in the users hands Oct 22 15:52:56 and it's clearly documented in our mailing list guidelines Oct 22 15:53:15 and in the email they get if they send something to a list where they aren't subscribed Oct 22 15:55:52 dneary: what's the problem with forcing users to sign up? seems like a simple and reasonable solution Oct 22 15:57:42 sjokkis, To quite felipe Contreras: "This happened because I replied to a mail that had meego-qa@lists.meego.com in CC. This I think is a good thing, cross-posting helps to get relevant messages to relevant people. However, in order for cross-posting to be useful people should be able to send mails to lists they are not subscribed to, otherwise the threads will be messed up." Oct 22 15:58:54 sjokkis, In the scenario where you are replying to a cross-posted email, or when you want to send a single RFI email to a team, it's better for the mails to go into moderation & be liberated later, even if the person isn't signed up Oct 22 15:59:48 reasonable point, but so are DawnFoster's Oct 22 16:01:15 DawnFoster: btw, me and sivang are kicking about an idea about having 'meego hacker's guide' in spirit of 'hacker guides' you get on your first year on computer science, giving you the basic training on doing MeeGo platform development - do we have any other stuff that's covering that area? there's coming more and more people in contributing, so Oct 22 16:01:20 allowing non-subscribers to post requires a good spam checker Oct 22 16:02:47 Stskeeps: I think it's a great idea Oct 22 16:03:11 did you see the intro to using git to create kernel patches that was created last night? Oct 22 16:03:14 yeah Oct 22 16:03:18 similar idea Oct 22 16:03:41 git <3 Oct 22 16:03:54 and since community obs is just needing the user database linkup, that'll allow a lot of people to contribute easier.. Oct 22 16:04:05 DawnFoster: has anything happened to that hardware queue idea? Oct 22 16:04:23 sjokkis: still working on it Oct 22 16:04:33 http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program Oct 22 16:04:33 DawnFoster: can you tell me anything? Oct 22 16:04:38 reading Oct 22 16:04:43 I've asked for budget :) Oct 22 16:04:52 still waiting for approval Oct 22 16:05:07 honestly, I just can't focus on it until after the conference Oct 22 16:05:53 ah crap, there's a conference coming up Oct 22 16:06:05 * Stskeeps needs to get together with harri and sage to prepare the n900 presentation.. Oct 22 16:06:14 1.1 release stress sucks Oct 22 16:06:54 DawnFoster: oh, i wasn't expecting this to be up and running before the conference. i'm thinking about doing a lightning session, in which case i'll find someone who can borrow me an n900 for a day or two Oct 22 16:07:05 presentations can be done on plain?:) Oct 22 16:07:15 plane Oct 22 16:07:17 sjokkis: I don't even have time to *think* about it until december :) Oct 22 16:08:36 l2tp: around? Oct 22 16:24:24 hi, how can I play flv in meego netbook release? normally, I use mplayer in normal linux distribution. thanks. Oct 22 16:26:00 I guess you need the codec for it Oct 22 16:27:32 * auke greets everyone Oct 22 16:27:34 andre__: ok... so just download mplayer codec. will it work? Oct 22 16:27:43 song123: open it in chrome/chromium Oct 22 16:27:56 Id on't think there is something like an "mplayer codec" :) Oct 22 16:27:58 auke: that won't work. Oct 22 16:28:04 my guess is gstreamer Oct 22 16:28:11 auke: open flv in chrome won't work. Oct 22 16:28:31 strange, flv == flash video, and chrome supports flash Oct 22 16:28:37 you'd think that would work Oct 22 16:29:43 auke: no. I tried that many times. flv requires some flash code to play. not sure how to explain it. for example, youtube will have youtube flash player embedded inside their pages. Oct 22 16:30:02 yeah Oct 22 16:30:23 well the other solution is to install the proper gstreamer codecs Oct 22 16:30:37 i've noticed that when i installed meego 1.0, there were practically no available codecs at all Oct 22 16:30:44 i can't play any of my movies in meego Oct 22 16:30:47 has this been fixed? Oct 22 16:30:50 no Oct 22 16:30:52 it can't be Oct 22 16:30:55 auke: ok. so how to?..... Oct 22 16:30:57 because? Oct 22 16:31:05 MeeGo cannot distribute MPEG codecs for free Oct 22 16:31:12 due to the MPEG license Oct 22 16:31:19 why isn't this a problem for other linux distributions? Oct 22 16:31:24 it is Oct 22 16:31:26 it is! Oct 22 16:31:32 how do they solve it? Oct 22 16:31:43 at least, they should be in some repo. just like what other distribution does. Oct 22 16:32:01 they don't or ignore the problem, with the potential legal issues of that Oct 22 16:32:10 I use opensuse. all codec can be found in packman. Oct 22 16:32:12 i don't see how we can expect to be a serious contender on netbooks if we can't play back video... Oct 22 16:32:18 in packman repo. Oct 22 16:32:25 i use ubuntu. everything works out the box Oct 22 16:32:38 well, some codecs have to be downloaded, but it does that very easily Oct 22 16:32:41 vlc works out the box Oct 22 16:33:11 probably because the codecs were downloaded from a repo that is not maintained by ubuntu Oct 22 16:33:23 even on smartphones, video is more and more important, with new models having HD screens Oct 22 16:33:33 sjokkis: i never use ubuntu. do you need to apt-get vlc? Oct 22 16:33:36 some people put codecs up for download even though they don't pay the mpeg license distribution fees Oct 22 16:33:39 song123: you do Oct 22 16:34:05 sjokkis: which repo do you get vlc from? vlc repo? official ubuntu repo? Oct 22 16:34:10 official repo Oct 22 16:34:55 and we do support video playback, it's just only using non-patent encumbered video formats Oct 22 16:35:00 ogg/theora works out of the box Oct 22 16:35:19 you *could* convert all your media to that Oct 22 16:35:45 ..... even firefox/chrome can play ogg without any plugins. Oct 22 16:35:45 yes Oct 22 16:37:25 there's a tool called ffmpeg2theora (that uses ffmpeg internally) that works great at converting pretty much any format to ogg/theora Oct 22 16:38:25 auke: yeah, but can we install that app in meego? I only have meego netbook here. Oct 22 16:38:55 auke: can we compile mplayer in meego? maybe? Oct 22 16:39:08 yeah, that's not too hard Oct 22 16:39:40 you'll need to install some dependencies yourself but otherwise you can compile anything with MeeGo Oct 22 16:39:56 auke: what would you consider essential tools for meego development? got spectacle, mic2, osc, git/wget/svn/make/diff/patch/rsync/ssh/dd so far Oct 22 16:40:31 strace gdb git osc spectacle autospectacle gcc make Oct 22 16:40:38 ~codecs Oct 22 16:40:38 [~codecs] If you have audio/codec problems, first try to 'disallow=all' and 'allow=ulaw' and see if that works. Anyone that tells you to use 'allow=all' is an idiot, as it usually causes audio problems. Codec list (Number/Name): 1/g723, 2/gsm, 4/ulaw, 8/alaw, 16/g726, 32/adpcm, 64/slin, 128/lpc10, 256/g729, 512/speex, 1024/ilibc. Oct 22 16:40:45 autospectacle? Oct 22 16:41:00 yes Oct 22 16:41:10 feed it a url and it tries to autopackage it Oct 22 16:41:12 do we have instructions for that anywhere? i've heard it mentioned bfore Oct 22 16:41:15 it's on gitorious Oct 22 16:41:21 k Oct 22 16:41:22 arjan wrote it Oct 22 16:41:27 it was posted to -dev I think Oct 22 16:41:46 gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/autospectacle Oct 22 16:41:51 ta Oct 22 16:41:54 infobot: forget codecs Oct 22 16:41:54 auke: i forgot codecs Oct 22 16:43:15 infobot: codecs is MeeGo only ships with codecs that can be distributed royalty free. You should get your codecs from the device seller or you can get them yourself, either from fluendo.com (free mp3 codec) or another source. Oct 22 16:43:15 auke: okay Oct 22 16:43:26 ~codecs Oct 22 16:43:27 i guess codecs is MeeGo only ships with codecs that can be distributed royalty free. You should get your codecs from the device seller or you can get them yourself, either from fluendo.com (free mp3 codec) or another source. Oct 22 16:45:18 I talked to my mom about our discussion yesterday about the meaning of QML and she is so sure it comes from QuiMgiL :P Oct 22 16:45:53 infobot: autospectacle is a tool to automatically create a spectacle file from a source URL only, and the preferred method for packaging for MeeGo for simple packages. Oct 22 16:45:54 auke: okay Oct 22 16:46:21 qgil: right :) Oct 22 16:46:47 auke: hey, it's Friday here Oct 22 16:52:31 rittk, it works! I've posted synaptics config to the forum Oct 22 16:54:25 l2tp: where? Oct 22 16:55:17 rittk, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=11487 Oct 22 16:58:59 qgil: yes (and fridays are awesome) Oct 22 17:00:14 l2tp: same there: "Synaptics Tap Action" "0 3 0 1 1 3 2" Oct 22 17:00:52 rittk, may be Oct 22 17:05:51 hello all Oct 22 17:11:39 Hi Oct 22 17:11:42 lol :D Oct 22 17:12:05 hello i am here too Oct 22 17:12:15 yeah i noticed Oct 22 17:13:16 what happens? Oct 22 17:13:55 next ?? Oct 22 17:14:46 umh Oct 22 17:29:45 So,is Orbit canned? Single Qt-based API for both Meego and Symbian from now on? Oct 22 17:30:40 kinda Oct 22 17:30:56 What about Meegotouch? Oct 22 17:31:06 thats the big question Oct 22 17:31:09 (i.e. DUI-based stuff) Oct 22 17:31:16 orbit is afaik canned Oct 22 17:31:19 RST38h, Will eventually be superseded or integrated Oct 22 17:31:26 Aha Oct 22 17:31:33 Superseded by what? QML? Oct 22 17:32:11 i ques it's taking some time to see where things goes Oct 22 17:33:14 Hmm... I am currently using plain Qt for the Meego-ready app of mine Oct 22 17:33:42 thats fine, and it should work far into the future Oct 22 17:33:54 Was going to use MeegoTouch for better look&feel, but just found a thread on tmo that implies it will not be used Oct 22 17:34:10 how to check cpu temperature in meego netbook? Oct 22 17:36:20 you might be able to use lm-sensor from the command line Oct 22 17:36:36 depends on your machine i think: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ00/temperature Oct 22 17:37:48 CosmoHill: I don't think meego has lm-sensor. do you have that command in your meego netbook? Oct 22 17:39:07 I don't have a MeeGo computer to try it one Oct 22 17:39:09 on* Oct 22 17:39:52 tomma: thanks a lot. it works. but i have TZ0, TZ1, TZ2, TZ3, TZ4. what are the differences between those dirs? Oct 22 17:39:58 CosmoHill: ok. sorry. Oct 22 17:40:00 sensor Oct 22 17:40:20 tomma: sensor? so which one should I look for? Oct 22 17:40:25 try out each one Oct 22 17:40:38 the highest will probably be either your processor or graphics chip Oct 22 17:41:02 CosmoHill: ok. how can I be sure which one is which one? Oct 22 17:41:27 I was compiling mplayer for half an hour, and finnally met a compilation error..... Oct 22 17:41:33 from my point of view it would be guesswork, tomma might know more Oct 22 17:41:54 no idea =) Oct 22 17:42:02 that compilation error probably isn't related to the cpu temperature Oct 22 17:42:42 CosmoHill: no. compilation error is just another story... Oct 22 17:42:47 cabac.h:527: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm' Oct 22 17:49:52 PONIES!!! Oct 22 17:51:02 * CosmoHill pets little auke Oct 22 17:51:09 some day you'll have your own pony Oct 22 17:52:57 auke: I don't like ponies but still the poster has a point Oct 22 17:53:55 qgil: he does (I'm not disputing that) Oct 22 17:54:23 sorry, I couldn't control myself Oct 22 17:55:42 ogeem-handset-ux metapackage? fedora-ogeem-handset-ux spin? Oct 22 17:56:03 hehehe Oct 22 17:56:20 don't you think I was joking, auke :) Oct 22 17:56:34 actually, writing a word backwards is dubious from a trademark perspective Oct 22 17:56:45 "ponies" would be much better Oct 22 17:57:51 amigo-handset-ux :) Oct 22 17:58:38 I failed to compile mplayer... can not find a solution. is there a community repo which contains mplayer for meego? Oct 22 17:58:48 it's complicated - I'll leave that one (again) to the trademark owners Oct 22 18:00:39 song: pastebin your error Oct 22 18:01:26 is this ftp://volkoff.ru/repo/meego/i386/ official community repo? I found this from the link: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1451 Oct 22 18:01:46 !pastebin Oct 22 18:01:51 ~pastebin Oct 22 18:01:51 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. Oct 22 18:02:42 song123: there is no official community repo yet Oct 22 18:03:07 RST38h: http://pastebin.com/1B9xnbcM Oct 22 18:03:09 song123: that one is just maintained by a random person... nothing more Oct 22 18:03:40 auke: ok. thanks. if I can not solve mplayer compilation error. I guess I have to use that person's repo then...\ Oct 22 18:04:25 RST38h: I searched that error online. It seems many people met that error, but each one has different case... Oct 22 18:04:38 compiling isn't always easy, especially with complex packages like media players Oct 22 18:06:21 auke: yeah.... Oct 22 18:08:43 RST38h: any ideas? Oct 22 18:13:28 song:thinking Oct 22 18:14:25 RST38h: ok. thanks for your time. :) Oct 22 18:14:45 song123: that pastebin error sounds like an over-optimization in CFLAGS, or something similar Oct 22 18:14:58 song123: try compiling with -march=i686 Oct 22 18:15:16 it sounds familiar, I've seen it before.... Oct 22 18:15:53 song: Have you run ./configure before compiling? Oct 22 18:16:12 auke: sorry, I am not familiar with this. how to compile with -march=i686? Oct 22 18:16:29 RST38h: sure. I did. and configure is completed fine. Oct 22 18:17:30 Try #undefining BRANCHLESS_CABAC_DECODER Oct 22 18:18:55 RST38h: sorry to ask. which file and how to undefine? Oct 22 18:19:41 song: You should be able to find this macro in the makefiles and remove it Oct 22 18:20:34 actually it is defined to 1 at the top of cabac.h Oct 22 18:20:58 RST38h: that error occurs when you compile something like that without -march=i386 or higher - the assembler doesn't know how to optimize it and borks Oct 22 18:21:10 auke: ah! Oct 22 18:21:16 all I think he needs to do is export CFLAGS="-march=native" or something like that Oct 22 18:21:25 686 not 386, right? Oct 22 18:21:29 or i686 to be safe Oct 22 18:21:31 yeah Oct 22 18:22:29 ok.. so what should I do now? try undefine or try to export variable? Oct 22 18:22:39 do what auke says Oct 22 18:22:49 actually, I just installed mplayer successfully from that person's community repo... it works fine. Oct 22 18:23:42 I did export CFLAGS="-march=native", and then run make, it still has the same error. Oct 22 18:24:08 you are doing it wrong probably Oct 22 18:25:17 I would rerun configure like this ' ./configure CFLAGS="-march=native" ' Oct 22 18:25:40 javispedro: let me try that. Oct 22 18:25:54 either way, looks like something's deeper is wrong. Oct 22 18:26:37 javispedro: I tried that. the syntax is wrong... Unknown parameter: CFLAGS=-march=native Oct 22 18:26:55 sorry if I did it incorrectly. I am not familiar with compiling. Oct 22 18:27:01 joys of autoconf... Oct 22 18:27:20 song123: then try just exporting it before running configure Oct 22 18:27:33 (joys of the shell...) Oct 22 18:27:40 javispedro: I already did export. Oct 22 18:27:44 remake Oct 22 18:27:54 (after having rerun configure succesfully) Oct 22 18:28:11 javispedro: should I rerun ./configure without any options? Oct 22 18:28:15 yep Oct 22 18:28:45 well, with whatever options you want, like prefix, codecs, etc. Oct 22 18:29:20 how would i obtain meego arm versions of glibc for f12 and f15? Oct 22 18:29:35 after I rerun configure, will I need to make from the beginning? or resume to the error step? make mplayer really takes a long time. Oct 22 18:30:44 oh. I found the answer. the make resumes. it has the same error. Oct 22 18:31:47 anyway, I think I will just give up here. I have successfully installed mplayer from the repo: ftp://volkoff.ru/repo/meego/i386/ Oct 22 18:31:55 Thank you all for the help. ^_^ Oct 22 18:35:40 it's time to leave. thank you guys again. bye. ^_^ Oct 22 19:01:26 hi Oct 22 19:01:56 hey Oct 22 19:02:16 any news about meego on N900? Oct 22 19:03:17 vobshe eto afigetelno uje jidat noviy versiya! Oct 22 19:03:44 I only understand english Oct 22 19:03:46 its really sucks to wait for a new version for n9-00 Oct 22 19:03:51 where would I find the meego arm repo? Oct 22 19:04:02 PaulW_cdot: repo.meego.com Oct 22 19:04:40 CosmoHill, thanks Oct 22 19:04:56 mHmT, what did you say earlier? Oct 22 19:05:35 the same as in English what did i say Oct 22 19:06:27 mHmT, there wasn't any "meego" that's why I asked Oct 22 19:06:33 or n900 Oct 22 19:06:40 true Oct 22 19:07:45 oh, mayde it was: 22:00 < mHmT> its really sucks to wait for a new version for n9-00 Oct 22 19:08:22 mHmT: you could check the meego.com website for news Oct 22 19:09:04 they announced on that site they are still working to porting meego for n900 Oct 22 19:09:19 MeeGo 1.1 for x86 comes out next week Oct 22 19:09:41 so I would imagine the n900 port shouldn't be long after that Oct 22 19:10:51 I hope that too, waiting for it for testing Oct 22 19:10:58 that means to sell this sucking handy and to buy a new one which is completely suitable with windows mobile Oct 22 19:11:25 mHmT: are you german? Oct 22 19:11:31 :D Oct 22 19:11:34 nope :) Oct 22 19:11:49 why did you ask about? Oct 22 19:12:01 you said "handy" which i know is German for mobile phone Oct 22 19:12:54 CosmoHill, are you from France? Oct 22 19:12:59 non Oct 22 19:13:07 :) Oct 22 19:13:16 toi? Oct 22 19:13:23 i'm a Turk Oct 22 19:13:23 mHmT, so where you are from? Oct 22 19:13:47 CosmoHill, and where are you? Oct 22 19:13:51 England :) Oct 22 19:14:04 ok :D Oct 22 19:14:05 but for a short while i'm from Uzb. Oct 22 19:14:40 :06 [freenode] -!- CosmoHill [~Nate@dyn-62-56-57-228.dslaccess.co.uk] Oct 22 19:14:41 22:06 [freenode] -!- ircname : Nathan Oct 22 19:14:41 22:06 [freenode] -!- channels : #meego Oct 22 19:14:41 22:06 [freenode] -!- server : barjavel.freenode.net [Paris, FR] Oct 22 19:15:01 that's why I asked Oct 22 19:15:22 my host name is english but the IRC server I'm on is frence, interesting Oct 22 19:15:37 :D Oct 22 19:15:42 yes it is Oct 22 19:15:44 :) Oct 22 19:15:49 usually the hostname is the more significant one Oct 22 19:15:57 true Oct 22 19:16:18 so may i ask any other question? Oct 22 19:16:21 (given that it is actually shown) Oct 22 19:16:42 they are telling on that site about meego for notebook. Oct 22 19:16:50 you just did and nobody came to spank you, so take that as a yes Oct 22 19:16:52 is this version for tablet pc's? Oct 22 19:17:09 there is a tablet UX being developed Oct 22 19:17:31 does it debian based UX or what? Oct 22 19:17:50 meego has it's own UX for different purposes Oct 22 19:18:00 netbook, handset, car and tablet Oct 22 19:18:48 but Nokia has left to support this UX right? Oct 22 19:19:10 IBM either if am i not wrong Oct 22 19:19:34 MeeGo is a joint venture between Nokia and Intel Oct 22 19:20:12 understood. Oct 22 19:20:56 anyways i hope they succes on their projects. Oct 22 19:21:12 many thanks for replies to my questions. Oct 22 19:21:20 you're welcome Oct 22 19:21:27 take care all. Oct 22 19:21:31 bye bye Oct 22 20:09:22 * Stskeeps yawns Oct 22 20:11:34 * CosmoHill offers Stskeeps tea Oct 22 20:11:52 hello, Oct 22 20:11:56 mmmm oooohhh, it's almost bed time Oct 22 20:11:58 brilliant Oct 22 20:15:48 DawnFoster: You're welcome. And at least you do answer my emails. Thanks for that. ;-) Oct 22 20:16:04 andre__: I try :) Oct 22 20:16:33 I really do appreciate all of the help getting our bug triage process sorted out. Oct 22 20:21:18 i'm still pondering if there's a simple way to solve the cultural pattern of 'involving the needed people in CC outside mailing list' Oct 22 20:23:26 DawnFoster: this is probably going to sound like a nasty idea.. but do you happen to know how people pick up who to mail, inside the meego peeps at intel? 'mailing lists' that expand to a number of people? Oct 22 20:24:38 Stskeeps: not sure that I understand your question Oct 22 20:24:40 well Oct 22 20:25:04 i've seen in some mail programs that when i select for example 'handset team' group, it would then expand in To/CC field to the people within that group Oct 22 20:25:53 and i was wondering how people choose who to mail regarding meego issues, if it's based on those kind of groups or if they have a mental knowledge of who to mail, etc :) Oct 22 20:26:26 .. and my idea was to add meego.com mailing lists to those 'groups' :P Oct 22 20:26:32 I'm guessing mental knowledge Oct 22 20:26:36 :nod: Oct 22 20:26:41 I know that I don't do that Oct 22 20:27:14 yeah, i do it with mental knowledge too or by previous email CC chains Oct 22 20:27:43 exactly, and sometimes I go to the wiki / governance to remind myself who is in charge of what Oct 22 20:28:11 I'd like to get to a point where we have the right people actually paying attention to the right mailing lists Oct 22 20:28:15 :nod: Oct 22 20:28:17 *wishful thinking* Oct 22 20:28:20 maybe Oct 22 20:28:40 then stop mailing people direct Oct 22 20:28:43 and only bother the ML Oct 22 20:28:55 lcuk: it's a cultural problem.. Oct 22 20:28:57 and when people feel left out, show them where mails are going Oct 22 20:29:28 yes Oct 22 20:29:31 so break the culture Oct 22 20:29:35 very hard :) Oct 22 20:30:00 easy as selecting a ML instead of indivudual Oct 22 20:30:19 DawnFoster: or perhaps try to use the culture instead.. introduce 'phonebook.meego.com' which provides lists of who's involved with what, what teams exist, have easy functions for generating CC lists.. Oct 22 20:30:46 Stskeeps, when mail volume drops by 50% people notice Oct 22 20:30:56 same as when it rises Oct 22 20:30:59 CC lists could naturaly include an autoarchiver.. Oct 22 20:31:27 some stuff is just intransparent. Oct 22 20:31:54 e.g. I assume that basically nobody knows who technically maintains the meego bugzilla ;-) Oct 22 20:32:01 it's difficult to be fully open when suddenly you meet someone of importance in helsinki airport and have coffee Oct 22 20:32:15 there's practical openness and there's ideological openness :) Oct 22 20:32:27 not that I need that info that often, just fundamentally Oct 22 20:33:46 Stskeeps, the out of band chats and topics always occur Oct 22 20:34:46 * lcuk met a lovely chap who had just been to visit Nokia Siemens HW on the plane Oct 22 20:40:33 HW? Oct 22 20:41:07 hardware Oct 22 20:41:15 right Oct 22 21:08:01 andre__: bugzilla is running on servers maintained by the infrastructure team (which is on the wiki) Oct 22 21:08:22 andre__: the installation (software) is maintained by intel QA folks in China mostly Oct 22 21:08:55 auke: yupp. And the "Owners" column on http://wiki.meego.com/Web_infrastructure is completely empty. Oct 22 21:10:05 DawnFoster: we need some names in here - http://wiki.meego.com/Web_infrastructure - unless they're already stated otherwise elsewhere Oct 22 21:10:27 and no "Details" section link for Bugs.meego.com, that could e.g. link to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGoBugzilla_Customization Oct 22 21:19:40 rittk: you around? Oct 22 21:20:07 auke: yep Oct 22 21:20:26 rittk: can you pastebot me `lspci -nn` from that ideapad you have somewhere for me? Oct 22 21:20:52 auke: have to boot it Oct 22 21:20:58 please :) Oct 22 21:21:26 auke / andre__: Yeah, we have everything spread out now and are moving everything to OSU Oct 22 21:21:40 OSU = ? Oct 22 21:21:49 Oregon State U Oct 22 21:21:51 once we get things straightened out, we'll have a better idea of who owns everything. Oct 22 21:21:51 ah Oct 22 21:21:57 our ISP Oct 22 21:22:06 the open source lab there hosts a bunch of big open source projects Oct 22 21:22:13 "ISP" I know :-P Oct 22 21:22:53 mm Oct 22 21:22:55 hello Oct 22 21:23:14 anybody knows if we are getting the SDK images update any time soon? Oct 22 21:23:36 they seem to be lagging behind latest images quite a bit ... Oct 22 21:23:52 auke: http://pastebin.com/h5w8cWfw Oct 22 21:24:32 thanks Oct 22 21:24:40 DawnFoster, nice (about OSU) Oct 22 21:25:08 auke: even more: http://pastebin.com/b7ZCyd0r Oct 22 21:46:05 what kind ofchanges in the `daily` repo? Oct 22 21:49:23 /me note that asus t101 works ou of the box Oct 22 21:49:52 rittk: actually qt4.7 is in daily and not in 'official' Oct 22 21:50:39 it's the big change for me Oct 22 21:52:22 I meant, what the changes are between daily (2010.10.21) and daily (2010.10.22) for example Oct 22 21:53:21 * rittk installs 170MiB of packges w/o knowing what was changed and why Oct 22 21:53:32 but I m just a simple user and it's beta of course. Oct 22 21:54:16 hehe, zypper failed Oct 22 21:54:17 I have gcc on update just now rittk and a lot of stuff Oct 22 21:54:44 ah lol maybe me to later ? Oct 22 22:00:03 rittk: which version of meego do you use Oct 22 22:00:24 from which repos? Oct 22 22:08:31 niala: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/ Oct 22 22:14:05 rittk: I have the same repos and I Update from 2010 10 08 700M I tell you if that works or no Oct 22 22:15:32 If I not sleeping Oct 22 22:22:23 it works Oct 22 22:49:19 how to rotate screen? Oct 22 22:57:08 grab sides of display, lift, move hands counter-clockwise 90 degrees rotating around the centerpoint of the screen? Oct 22 22:57:20 niala: on what platform? Oct 22 23:00:15 btw, is there a giro sensor in that lenovo thing? Oct 22 23:03:05 I actually don't know Oct 22 23:03:21 probably, yes Oct 22 23:06:58 hello auke, on netbook Oct 22 23:07:44 netbook UX doesn't support rotation except for xrandr manual setting Oct 22 23:08:16 ok I ll see Oct 22 23:08:48 why not? Oct 22 23:09:33 why would it? when it was written there were no netbooks with rotating screens Oct 22 23:09:45 you can rotate it via zrandr - who cares?) Oct 22 23:10:07 XXI century ) Oct 22 23:12:15 zrandr? you mean xrandr Oct 22 23:14:23 yep. typo Oct 22 23:14:57 we have Z and X quite close to each other here )) Oct 22 23:20:39 *which recalls me how was I scared when didn't find some of them where they should be (in germany) Oct 22 23:20:44 * CosmoHill looks at his keyboard Oct 22 23:22:46 hello CosmoHill Oct 22 23:23:21 your keyboard is moving alone? Oct 22 23:25:07 it has pretty lights Oct 22 23:26:23 it will be nice if netbbok can be luminous Oct 22 23:26:35 abd other keyboard to Oct 22 23:26:50 my powerbook has a back lit keyboard and my desktop has a light up one too Oct 22 23:31:06 I can't find my back lit laptop picture so have a weasel: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/inocent-weasel.jpg Oct 22 23:44:42 Does anyone know how devices.conf works? (if it's still used). I have IVI running on a screen that's not using the 800x480(?) resolution. Meego handset video/pictures/music/etc all render incorrectly due to that (I'm guessing) Oct 22 23:45:58 that's a bad hack, it should autodetect the panel size through libXrandr extensions Oct 22 23:47:33 * smithna agrees with auke Oct 22 23:57:00 by the way, where is libXshape package?) Oct 22 23:57:56 it's header(s) seems to be missed on meego Oct 23 00:08:35 err, my fault Oct 23 00:08:48 it called libXext-devel here Oct 23 00:19:48 fennec is not full screen on netbook 10" Oct 23 00:20:02 1024x600 Oct 23 00:24:16 night night / bonne nuit Oct 23 00:25:45 night cos Oct 23 01:33:18 * araujo wonders if lbt is around Oct 23 02:13:41 libmeegotouchsettings.css -- lives where? Anyone? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 23 02:59:57 2010