**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 27 02:59:57 2010 Oct 27 03:27:38 would be quite a surprise if the first meego phone is not a nokia. Oct 27 03:28:40 would it still be quite a surprise if it wasn't atom-based? Oct 27 03:32:06 * thiago_home wouldn't be surprised by either Oct 27 04:42:12 Hi all, when I run osc build, it stops at BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys Oct 27 04:42:26 any pointer on on how to resolve this? Oct 27 04:54:00 hi, Oct 27 04:54:20 I run ./scripts/sequence-patch.sh --quilt Oct 27 04:54:42 but I get the error: http://pastebin.com/WyL6YfD2 Oct 27 04:55:09 How about it, thxs Oct 27 05:14:14 hi, duihome died with signal 4, I'm running handset-sdk-20101012 with qemugl.. can someone help me..?? Oct 27 05:14:48 I'm not able to see anything in the screen but X seems running smoothly.. Oct 27 06:36:00 hey folks Oct 27 06:36:47 moin Oct 27 06:38:29 pretty quiet in here.. Oct 27 06:39:14 'tis morning Oct 27 06:39:55 I thought it was night.. ;^) Oct 27 06:40:13 Any n900 users in here? Oct 27 06:40:35 yes Oct 27 06:41:17 i'm basic user, but I know here's also "heavy"users Oct 27 06:41:23 I'm trying to get n900's fennec working on WebOS (the opp of preenv), but its missing liblocation.so.0 Oct 27 06:43:26 iekku: np. I don't know how the n900 works, but if you could send me that library it would be greatly appreciated! Oct 27 06:43:39 ajay: just recompile fennec, it's open source.. Oct 27 06:43:59 Stskeeps: Folks have been trying to do that, it's not been working well. Oct 27 06:44:10 it's fennec, what do you expect? ;p Oct 27 06:44:19 haha.. Oct 27 06:44:28 I'd also like to get Opera Mobile to work, it requires the same library Oct 27 06:44:39 and if fennec doesn't work well, all the more reason to get Opera mobile to work. Oct 27 06:45:50 Stskeeps: Are you familiar with preenv? Oct 27 06:45:59 liblocation is closed source and won't be useful on a pre Oct 27 06:46:59 Stskeeps: There's really only 1 way to find out! Oct 27 06:59:20 thanks for sending that over! Oct 27 06:59:47 dtz: cool you have a decent connection too. :) Oct 27 08:11:55 damn I think I almost got fennec working, but looks like I need an X server too! so primitive.. ;^) Oct 27 08:12:43 duh :P Oct 27 08:12:54 i'd claim framebuffer is primitive Oct 27 08:13:09 i'm pretty sure framebuffer is more modern than X Oct 27 08:14:02 what would apple's system be called? Oct 27 08:14:03 Stskeeps: Framebuffer is a rather nice abstraction that lets you run anything on anything Oct 27 08:14:34 Stskeeps: slowly, of course :) Oct 27 08:14:57 why slow? Oct 27 08:15:40 ajay: It does not assume any additional hardware for blitting images or showing the cursor Oct 27 08:17:18 wow, "framebuffer vs X" is quite the topic online, heh. One of the first posts I found says: "the advantage of the framebuffer is lower Oct 27 08:17:19 overhead, quicker startup and this should translate into performance." Oct 27 08:17:45 RST38h: But it can be/use hardware acceleration? Oct 27 08:17:57 Yes but it will not be generic framebuffer then Oct 27 08:18:21 And yes, you can run X in a framebuffer, and plenty embedded devices do just that Oct 27 08:18:30 hmm.. but X using hw acc is still generic? Oct 27 08:18:42 X abstracts hw acc Oct 27 08:18:55 RST38h: Yeah that's what I'll end up trying. That sounds bloated tho, blech.. ;^) Oct 27 08:18:55 Framebuffer does not Oct 27 08:19:20 It is not bloated. Think of X as a specific API (or APIs) to access your frame buffer Oct 27 08:19:23 ok Oct 27 08:19:38 May I ask what you are planning to use frame buffer for? Oct 27 08:19:47 Oh, I meant to run Opera/Fennec/skype/etc on X on a framebuffer would be bloated Oct 27 08:20:17 Have you got versions of Opera/Fennec/skype/etc that run directly on a frame buffer? Oct 27 08:20:23 better if I could run it straight on the fb, but looks like that's not possible Oct 27 08:20:38 Then stop arguing :) Oct 27 08:20:48 i'm not arguing Oct 27 08:21:30 incase you missed the beginning of the thread, i'm trying to run these apps on my Pre, since ya'll can run WebOS apps, I figured I should be able to do the opposite, but looks like I'll take a perf hit if I do. Oct 27 08:21:57 ah Oct 27 08:22:01 The question in my head (that you interpreted as arguing) was what kind of perf hit that'd take. Of course, there's only 1 way to find out Oct 27 08:22:04 No, you won't take much of perf hit Oct 27 08:22:41 The "frame buffer" is not some piece of software that adds processing time to your calls Oct 27 08:23:01 you don't think so? skype over X over FB? It's definitely gotta add memory (I'm thinking X server mainly) and cpu time. Oct 27 08:23:18 It is just a method to get direct pointer to your display contents. So, X takes that pointer and starts drawing there directly, that's all Oct 27 08:23:35 otoh from what Sts says fennec is meant to run poorly so maybe that's ok.. ;^) Oct 27 08:24:13 i guess we'll see in coming days. Oct 27 08:24:22 You are talking about Linux software. Pretty much all of it is designed to run over X. So, removing X from the equation is not feasible, unless you would like to rewrite all the software Oct 27 08:24:41 What percentage of meego s/w is direct FB, if anybody knows? Oct 27 08:24:54 One possibility though is to use a lightweight X API implementation, compiled as a library (rather than a server) Oct 27 08:25:07 ajay: 0? :) Oct 27 08:25:17 RST38h: I call BS :) Oct 27 08:25:31 ajay: Ok, I am sure the boot loader uses fb. Oct 27 08:25:41 and perhaps splash Oct 27 08:25:43 There's some bit of Linux software that is not tied to X. I grabbed TuxPaint for Maemo, it loaded fine on my pre Oct 27 08:26:32 Pre, Android, and MacOS (if you count BSDs) don't use X at all Oct 27 08:26:36 Let us see what TuxPaint uses... Oct 27 08:26:40 SDL Oct 27 08:26:49 Ah, true Oct 27 08:26:57 TuxPaint does use X Oct 27 08:27:24 But it does so via SDL. Give it a different SDL, one that runs over fb, and TuxPaint or any other SDL-using application will use fb Oct 27 08:27:27 It seems like it's got to be able to run under/over X, but I was able to load it Oct 27 08:28:13 I think I copied all of maemo's SDL libs over to get it to run, but .. yeah it must have been using the Pre's core SDL libs to run Oct 27 08:28:23 makes sense. Oct 27 08:28:28 So my guess is that any Maemo/Meego binary that uses SDL only (no X or hildon or gtk or Qt) should run for you Oct 27 08:28:49 Yeah.. that's probably the rare app Oct 27 08:28:57 Not that rare Oct 27 08:29:09 SDL is very popular among game writers on Linux Oct 27 08:29:21 Abstracts a lot of low level stuff Oct 27 08:29:34 I'm noting your comment about X API, since I can't do anything with that (yet?) Oct 27 08:29:52 You want a version of X that runs over fb Oct 27 08:30:19 Do ls /dev/fb* on your Pre and tell me what it says Oct 27 08:30:21 RST38h: yeah doom was one of the first things ported to the pre I hear Oct 27 08:30:54 I remember one of the Debian guys setting up a debian chroot on his pre, I believe he ran X, if not, others have Oct 27 08:31:31 fb->fb0 and there's also fb1 Oct 27 08:32:53 (in terms of SDL games I mean). I still have been getting the impression there's not a lot of (currently-maintained) SDL software, but we'll see. Someone ported Enlightenment's Terminal software (Enterminus).. Oct 27 08:32:59 ajay: Ok, then you may be able to run a generic X binary on your pre Oct 27 08:35:08 RST38h: Hm, apparently not only has that been done, but they've run openoffice on it. yikes! Oct 27 08:36:13 Funny enough, I just realized the person I've been chatting with about getting the n900 apps is the one who did almost all the work to get X11 working on the Pre! haha Oct 27 08:36:31 (over in #webos-internals) Oct 27 08:38:46 since that work is done I .. ohh he has to update it i just realized, so maybe this can be a good motivator Oct 27 08:39:22 I convinced a friend to buy an n810 (he did the research) a couple of years ago, he's not been using it, but it's the last I looked the platform before tonight. Oct 27 08:40:15 been getting into the Pre kinda heavy lately, which is rad. Finding out about preenv brought me here.. Oct 27 08:40:46 and so now I'm back to learning about Maemo/Meego (though I do have a Moblin water bottle downstairs? :).. it's also very interesting to learn about the respective cmtys Oct 27 08:41:38 there are a lot of people over here.. and Meego and WebOS each are able to attract different types of devs. It's all really fascinating.. Oct 27 08:41:45 anyways, but I think i'm overdue on sleeptime Oct 27 08:41:49 so hope that was fun for all Oct 27 09:23:50 morning' Oct 27 09:29:51 good morning Oct 27 09:32:06 morning_ Oct 27 09:36:46 morning #meego \o Oct 27 09:41:15 afternoon lcuk Oct 27 09:42:53 lcuk: did you get sorted? Oct 27 09:48:04 lbt, in a way, been reading lots of wikis and making my laptop blow up Oct 27 09:48:19 heh Oct 27 10:36:28 Morning all Oct 27 10:36:56 \o Oct 27 10:37:19 MeeGoExperts: minor detail, would it be possible to add proper credit to stephg who made the dual-boot video? credit where credit is due :) (i only twittered it) Oct 27 10:38:03 and ali1234 for you know, doing the work ;) Oct 27 10:39:11 Good idea guys Oct 27 10:39:26 Sorry. Oct 27 10:39:31 Feel like crying. Oct 27 10:39:33 BUT Oct 27 10:39:41 I'll just sort the mistake out instead :-) Oct 27 10:39:44 hehe Oct 27 10:40:30 but thanks for publishing it :) shows people the dual boot is actually real Oct 27 10:43:02 ali1234, what username is that ? Oct 27 10:43:20 ie maemo / meego forum ? Oct 27 10:43:56 dunno - no need for precise attribution but stephg and ali1234 should be enough :) Oct 27 10:44:19 So no postcodes then ? Oct 27 10:44:22 Lol Oct 27 10:44:23 ha Oct 27 10:44:26 no need for their GPS coordinate either.. Oct 27 10:44:27 :P Oct 27 10:44:52 Google Latitude? Come on guys ………. hehe Oct 27 10:44:53 MeeGoExperts, don't forget to add satellite screenshots Oct 27 10:45:01 is there anything that can be done so that no need to take off sd card everytime i'd like to boot maemo Oct 27 10:45:21 dolppp: yes, but you have to write your own custom boot script Oct 27 10:45:26 it's very flexible Oct 27 10:45:58 Stskeeps, would the same sort of "keyboard open/closed" detection work? Oct 27 10:49:24 Post updated with credit. Thanks for pointing that out guys. Much appreciated. Oct 27 10:54:16 IS there anyone here I can talk to about the conference and funding? Oct 27 10:56:58 alterego, Have you applied for it ? Oct 27 10:58:42 Well, unfortunately it seems I didn't submit my request when I thought I did, so I, on the off chance I submitted I wanted to go a couple of weeks ago Oct 27 10:59:09 I've just had an email saying I can go, but it's my understanding that the help for funding is finished now. Oct 27 10:59:31 Was wondering if there's any chance of it, or I'll somehow have to raise the funds myself :/ Oct 27 11:07:40 What exactly did the email say ? Oct 27 11:16:02 MeeGoExperts: was just talking about needing to sort out accomodation by friday 29th Oct 27 11:16:18 I think it was a general to those that hadn't published their accomodation information on the profile. Oct 27 11:16:36 I thought, before I try and work out how I can fund it I'd ask here first. Oct 27 11:39:06 Jessica/yfu I am able to replace the kernel image as yfu suggested. I got it working now. Thanks a lot Oct 27 11:48:12 why are so many people staying from 14th to 18th at the conference? there's no technical talks after mid-day on the 17th, is there? Oct 27 11:48:42 maybe they just want a break Oct 27 11:48:46 we're sociable Oct 27 11:49:08 although some of us are taking advantage of meeting up to get some f2f work done Oct 27 11:49:17 just wondering, since i'm doing the opposite and spending saturday in dublin Oct 27 11:49:19 f2f? Oct 27 11:49:24 Face to face Oct 27 11:49:29 ah Oct 27 11:49:31 i.e. 13th to 17th, leaving in the afternoon after the last talk Oct 27 11:49:55 are you guys going to have your real name and IRC name on the tags? Oct 27 11:51:12 real :P Oct 27 11:51:20 easier to figure out if i end up in an accident who to contact Oct 27 11:51:37 Stskeeps doesn't want n00bs identifying him by his IRC nick Oct 27 11:51:41 :p Oct 27 11:52:54 just make sure to figure out his real name before you go Oct 27 11:53:03 having realnames as other than "whatcha lookin' at" or "moo" is so difficult Oct 27 11:53:08 in IRC Oct 27 11:53:10 sup brik Oct 27 11:53:11 high five Oct 27 11:53:34 real pro's have both Oct 27 11:53:43 I used to have my nickname in my business card Oct 27 11:53:44 Some are unpronouncable... Is it Saint Skeeps? :) Oct 27 11:53:54 what's up? ;p home time soon tho! there? Oct 27 11:54:03 lol Oct 27 11:54:18 Milhouse: 'sts' works Oct 27 11:54:23 everyone will print out the "who's who" list and read it on the plane Oct 27 11:54:42 brik: playing gta4 ftw Oct 27 11:54:56 CosmoHill: remember to add photos! Oct 27 11:54:58 brik: you'll be joining me for a saturday fuelled by whisky and cigars before the conference, correct? Oct 27 11:55:17 I'm one of those 14th - 18th people... Oct 27 11:55:29 So who is smuggling me in their suitcase? :p Oct 27 11:58:20 galaxy tab really showcases android. is there no meego tablet ? Oct 27 11:58:35 The WeTab? Oct 27 11:59:11 wetab is great Oct 27 11:59:14 But that isn't really a MeeGo device as such. It's not under compliance for use of the trademark Oct 27 11:59:16 albeit unreleased Oct 27 11:59:23 Termana: aren't you coming to the conf? Oct 27 11:59:37 sivang, have you been living under a rock? The WeTab has been out for ages now :p Oct 27 12:00:22 Termana: I wanted to buy one at Munch and they would not let me, said unreleased yet Oct 27 12:00:35 *Munich Oct 27 12:00:55 sivang, nah I can't for various reasons. Still, I'll be sitting back here in the chat room. Answering questions I suppose since everyone else will be gone :p And watch the videos after Oct 27 12:03:28 Termana: I see, you are our support hero! Oct 27 12:17:04 :w Oct 27 12:17:11 oops, wrong window Oct 27 12:23:30 Hi Oct 27 12:23:41 https://bugs.maemo.org/7107 <- We should do the same thing for meego.com Oct 27 12:59:47 * abogani is wondering if MeeGO and Yocta projects (both promoted by LF) will overlap each other sooner or later... Oct 27 13:01:53 Yocta? Oct 27 13:03:25 i was kind of thinking that... and after googling, i'm still thinking that ;) Oct 27 13:03:56 ah, yocto Oct 27 13:04:16 is that poky linux in disguise? Oct 27 13:06:59 Sorry for typo I meant Yocto (http://www.yoctoproject.org/). Oct 27 13:08:03 abogani: well, there'll always be a market for very embedded stuff Oct 27 13:08:08 the interesting part is the qt inclusion.. Oct 27 13:13:41 Stskeeps: Yocto is based on Poky which in turn is based on Bitbake. This last one offer Qt4. So both can offer an Qt runtime... Oct 27 13:13:50 yeah Oct 27 13:15:02 * abogani is very baffled ... Oct 27 14:25:05 gabor_: hey... Oct 27 14:25:10 how do I autoload a module during meego boot? Oct 27 14:25:11 the CSS is a good idea Oct 27 14:25:15 lbt: hi Oct 27 14:25:20 ty Oct 27 14:25:31 dneary.... can you do anything about CSS on wiki.meego.com? Oct 27 14:25:44 the intel guys are still asleep Oct 27 14:25:56 we need european webmasters too Oct 27 14:26:24 And with the 1.1 release going on, forget about it today. Oct 27 14:26:32 dneary: could you put this css into wiki.meego.com : https://qed.princeton.edu/main/MediaWiki:Common.css Oct 27 14:26:57 X-Fade: yeah.... I'm not paying attention to the meego releases Oct 27 14:27:03 to avoid the crappy tables Oct 27 14:27:10 lbt, how is obs.maemo upgrade progressing? Oct 27 14:27:12 Well that is probably why things are a bit slow atm ;) Oct 27 14:28:11 smoku: we've stopped :) Oct 27 14:28:13 sorry Oct 27 14:28:15 but... Oct 27 14:28:24 there is progress on the real one Oct 27 14:35:06 noone knows how to autoload a module during meego boot? Oct 27 14:36:06 smoku: rc.local gets executed, for a quick'n'dirty solution modprobe module_name in /etc/rc.local works Oct 27 14:37:31 I would call it workaround, not solution Oct 27 14:41:39 no /etc/modules ? Oct 27 14:42:55 /etc/modules: No such file or directory Oct 27 14:43:15 # grep -r etc/modules /etc/ Oct 27 14:43:15 # Oct 27 14:47:48 thiago: that technology management report.. i assume that isn't public? it would be good to have some solid benchmark background to discuss upon so Oct 27 14:52:26 Stskeeps: this wasn't a benchmark report. They did micro-benchmarking and analysis of CPU specs. Oct 27 14:52:32 k Oct 27 14:52:47 one said "I got 33% improvement on Maemo by enabling RunFast mode" Oct 27 14:53:16 currently many apps selectively enable runfast at least Oct 27 14:53:24 that should be the default Oct 27 14:53:32 apps that need IEEE754 should opt in instead Oct 27 14:54:10 RunFast and the float thing are what surprised me Oct 27 14:54:20 I thought that ARM was good already with doubles Oct 27 14:54:31 but apparently only the A9 has good performance there Oct 27 14:57:46 gabor_, lbt: I don't think so Oct 27 14:57:56 I mean, I don't think I have the privileges Oct 27 14:58:05 dneary: who can do it? Oct 27 14:58:06 gabor_, Let me try... Oct 27 15:06:19 lbt: fwiw Mike Shaver is not asleep at all Oct 27 15:07:14 qgil: he's not Oct 27 15:26:50 DawnFoster, Ping? Oct 27 15:27:47 DawnFoster, I just confirmed my trip to Seoul, leaving Dublin on the 17th. I have a flight at 13:35, so I'll be leaving the conference a day earlier than I'd hoped, and won't be around for most of the unconference day :( Oct 27 15:46:31 Will 1.1 work on the n900? Oct 27 15:46:43 yes Oct 27 15:46:50 by some definition of "work" Oct 27 15:47:53 work meaning phoning? Oct 27 15:48:12 * Stskeeps ponders if and how we should deal with the neon issue Oct 27 15:48:23 no, I don't think you'll be able to make calls Oct 27 15:48:32 thiago: you are actually able to, scaringily Oct 27 15:48:37 really? Oct 27 15:48:39 yeah Oct 27 15:48:42 it goes to the speakers but it works Oct 27 15:48:57 and the other guy can hear you too Oct 27 15:50:57 thiago: are you opt-in or opt-out regarding neon? i mean, opt-in would be a good way to not accidentially make non-NEON stuff and by opting in you make your neon stuff guarded (like in your auxv patch, in glibc, etc..) Oct 27 15:51:13 and we wouldn't be closing the door on nvidia tegra2 Oct 27 15:51:36 opt-in being directly indicating -mfpu=neon for the things that need it, not toolchain standard Oct 27 16:00:04 lbt is build.pub.meego.com useful for Dublin? I thought they had enough bars and pubs already :P Oct 27 16:01:54 * thiago suggested beer.pub.meego.com Oct 27 16:15:52 Any sign of mshaver yet? Oct 27 16:43:24 hello everyone Oct 27 16:45:37 hey Oct 27 16:46:06 hey Oct 27 16:46:40 is meego 1.1 out? Oct 27 16:46:53 it will be sometime today Oct 27 16:47:06 (UTC-*) Oct 27 16:47:09 *8 Oct 27 16:47:22 cool Oct 27 16:47:49 i wanna try that on my n900 Oct 27 16:47:57 I think we've said the release will be out sometime this week Oct 27 16:48:12 DawnFoster: I was told today Oct 27 16:48:21 *I was told that it would be today Oct 27 16:48:23 CosmoHill: you were told wrong :) Oct 27 16:48:34 damn Oct 27 16:48:46 well all good Oct 27 16:48:52 it will be out this week though Oct 27 16:48:53 this week is cool Oct 27 16:49:23 DawnFoster: I'll try and mirror them as fast as I can Oct 27 16:50:31 im new to this but how easy is it to install meego on the n900? Oct 27 16:50:50 you'll need a microSD card and the USB cable Oct 27 16:51:18 The 1.1 docs on the wiki suggest that I do "mad-admin create -f -e ..." but mad-admin says that the -e flag is "DANGEROUS!". That seems incongruous :S Oct 27 16:51:28 oh ok so its just a simple download the files to the sd card and reboot? Oct 27 16:51:47 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt Oct 27 16:51:50 at the bottom Oct 27 16:52:29 thats for me or milliams? Oct 27 16:52:36 vnepo: you Oct 27 16:52:44 ok ill check it out Oct 27 16:53:22 thanks Oct 27 16:53:23 CosmoHill: the information has been always at http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Meego.com_1.1_update Oct 27 16:54:01 thanks qgil Oct 27 16:55:22 qgil: _o/ Oct 27 16:55:29 oh so thats why you need to use an sdcard Oct 27 16:55:52 Jartza: I guess I know you? Oct 27 16:55:58 256mb is not enough Oct 27 16:56:19 qgil: /whois jartza :) Oct 27 16:57:28 Jartza: ok :) your nick sounds 100% Basque to me Oct 27 16:57:31 qgil: :D Oct 27 16:58:20 is there a changelog for 1.1? Oct 27 17:01:38 vnepo: there will be release notes with the release Oct 27 17:02:12 ok how do you all feel about the meego ux? Oct 27 17:02:54 vnepo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzlpTRNIAvc Oct 27 17:03:02 vnepo: (sorry: it was too tempting) ;) Oct 27 17:03:44 lol im checking Oct 27 17:04:31 haha feel good Oct 27 17:05:13 oh for the microsd card how much space should i get? Oct 27 17:05:38 I think you need at least 1GB but 2GB or more should be fine Oct 27 17:07:06 ok im looking in amazon Oct 27 17:07:29 i wonder if bestbuy sells this Oct 27 17:08:59 vnepo, a store bought 2gb card I had was not enough for some reason, I have gotten myself a 4gb card to be sure Oct 27 17:11:16 ok i will thanks ill get 6 or 8 to be safe Oct 27 17:12:13 so every new release has to be downloaded again you just can't update Oct 27 17:15:22 vnepo, they do, but they charge you double for them. Oct 27 17:16:13 oh that sucks ill get the 4gb its a good price Oct 27 17:16:53 dear lazy irc - where are the authoritative instructions to setup Maemo - MeeGo dual boot in N900? Oct 27 17:17:10 Searching I only get long threads Oct 27 17:17:36 qgil, the long threads are in the melting pot at the moment as instructions are cleaned up Oct 27 17:17:56 any wiki page? Oct 27 17:18:00 can i get those instructions too when its cleaned up Oct 27 17:18:34 qgil, I have heard someone spending a little time writing up initial instructions, but I did not see him post the actual page Oct 27 17:19:29 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/U-Boot_from_scratch Oct 27 17:19:35 hh he did, i just missed it Oct 27 17:20:15 this was stephg who did the initial video seen around Oct 27 17:21:45 qgil, clearly you should post a new thread. ;) Oct 27 17:23:01 GAN900: clearly I shouldn't ;) Oct 27 17:23:09 thanks lcuk Oct 27 17:30:46 Zebi Oct 27 17:33:06 I guess I should finally try meego on my n900 Oct 27 17:33:37 Indeed! What's the story with the dual boot functionality in PR1.3? I'm looking for doc and not finding any. Oct 27 17:34:21 is pr 1.3 available?! Oct 27 17:34:41 mirf, meego 1.3 won't be available for a while Oct 27 17:34:49 mirf: since yesterday Oct 27 17:34:55 ah thought so Oct 27 17:34:56 lcuk: he means maemo ;) Oct 27 17:34:56 1.1 is in the repo Oct 27 17:35:04 * lcuk knows Oct 27 17:35:17 what? Oct 27 17:35:37 I'm looking for meego :) Oct 27 17:36:02 I've got it on my SD at the moment but no joy booting yet m Oct 27 17:37:18 I think I need to tell bootloader to load the right kernel Oct 27 17:37:37 Fuck you all bye Oct 27 17:37:55 lol Oct 27 17:38:01 heh Oct 27 17:39:22 robsta: Noel should be pinging you in a moment Oct 27 17:39:48 mlfoster: ok i'll check back in a sec Oct 27 17:40:39 NoelA: hi, can you see me? Oct 27 17:43:31 mlfoster: hey lady :) Oct 27 17:44:02 NoelA: Rob will be back in a minute Oct 27 17:44:17 mlfoster: cool, thanks! Oct 27 17:44:37 hi NoelA, mlfoster called me in Oct 27 17:44:49 NoelA: how may i assist? Oct 27 17:48:54 DawnFoster: how many IRC windows do you have open atm? Oct 27 17:48:59 luck: same question Oct 27 17:49:35 CosmoHill: only 3 - I'm obsessive about closing ones I'm not using :) Oct 27 17:52:50 NoelA: unfortunately it's going toward 8pm here and i have to leave for another appointment, but there should be a few minutes left to look into your isses Oct 27 17:56:44 robsta: thanks! Oct 27 17:57:16 couple of questions - are you testing on a netbook? Oct 27 17:57:26 NoelA: yes Oct 27 17:57:31 cool Oct 27 17:57:39 are you testing 1.1? Oct 27 17:58:14 yes, but i might not have the latest version of _everything- Oct 27 17:58:22 are the icons on the handset ux going to remain gray? Oct 27 17:58:40 NoelA: my modules are certainly up to date and ready for testing Oct 27 17:59:13 in the Apps > Settings > Power & Brightness screen, are you allowed to adjust brightness? or is it just "use your device's keyboard"? Oct 27 17:59:49 NoelA: unfortunately it's just the textual hint at the moment Oct 27 18:00:01 ok Oct 27 18:00:04 thanks so much Oct 27 18:00:10 I'm seeing the same on mine Oct 27 18:00:14 NoelA: the capplet should be renamed, we have a bug open for that Oct 27 18:00:24 ah, cool Oct 27 18:00:50 I was told the brightness had been updated, but I couldn't see it, no matter how recent the build I installed was Oct 27 18:00:59 thanks so very much, robsta! Oct 27 18:01:10 NoelA: i think that was referring to the devices panel Oct 27 18:01:19 NoelA: you can set the brightness there using the mouse Oct 27 18:01:24 ah, k, thx Oct 27 18:01:32 ok, got it Oct 27 18:01:34 thx Oct 27 18:02:19 NoelA: fyi, the change is that the brightness is now remembered and restored for on battery vs. plugged in Oct 27 18:02:35 cool. thx! Oct 27 18:02:52 you are welcome Oct 27 18:02:52 and have you seen/experience Evo Express Addressbook? Oct 27 18:03:00 *experienced Oct 27 18:03:10 NoelA: unfortunately not Oct 27 18:03:16 ah Oct 27 18:03:23 NoelA: what about it? Oct 27 18:03:34 ok, thanks very, very much, robsta - appreciate it Oct 27 18:03:45 apparently the only way to add an image for a contact Oct 27 18:04:20 NoelA: i can pass that on to the developer in charge so he contacts you Oct 27 18:04:30 thanks!! Oct 27 18:05:09 NoelA: but he is in India, so your (work)timezones are probably somewhat disjoint Oct 27 18:05:41 I'm fine with that. Would just be good to hear from him Oct 27 18:06:03 NoelA: ok i'll arrange that, anything else i can do for you? Oct 27 18:08:29 robsta: that's all. thanks so very much! :) Oct 27 18:08:39 no problem Oct 27 18:09:07 NoelA: i'm sure he'll get back to you shortly Oct 27 18:13:11 NoelA: i have to run out now, feel free to email me if anything else comes up Oct 27 18:15:34 robsta: will do. thanks again. Oct 27 18:34:18 Has anybody started listing flights on the wiki? Oct 27 18:34:41