**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 01 02:59:57 2010 Nov 01 03:29:11 hi Nov 01 03:29:32 does meego have anything like Squid proxy yet? or Skype access on the n900? Nov 01 08:38:57 ping stskeeps Nov 01 08:39:06 pong Nov 01 08:39:13 how goes, loong time no see Nov 01 08:39:29 it goes fine.. just returned after seeing my family in denmark Nov 01 08:40:42 ah, i became a first time dad on saturday , so being lil bit busy on family side :) Nov 01 08:40:57 congrats! :) Nov 01 08:41:01 thanks Nov 01 08:41:27 does he/she have a nickname meego? Nov 01 08:41:58 and grtz anyway :) Nov 01 08:42:21 lol, would ask him dad , and thanks again Nov 01 08:42:47 err, would think about naming him meego :) Nov 01 08:43:09 morn thp Nov 01 08:43:20 hey ho Nov 01 08:44:39 Hi guys, do u know Meego 1.1 Handset UX - Video player is built on top of which multimedia framework? Nov 01 08:48:31 amjad: congrats, how's mum and baby doing? Nov 01 08:50:18 Does anyone know about Media Services of Meego 1.1? Nov 01 08:51:16 thanks myrtti, mom is still recovering but baby is doing great, he is awake at night :) Nov 01 08:53:00 * timeless_mbp is @Lyon, FR Nov 01 08:58:59 Anyone? Nov 01 09:01:07 Purti: try asking at the Forums? Nov 01 09:01:36 hey how do i access build logs for a particular component ? Nov 01 09:02:02 i'm registered on meego.com but I cant login to build.meego.com Nov 01 09:08:58 Morning, all Nov 01 09:38:25 I rather enjoyed Meego on my 1001px Nov 01 09:55:19 hi Nov 01 10:01:39 ohai Nov 01 10:48:16 plah Nov 01 10:50:45 morning #meego and Myrtti especially \o Nov 01 10:51:09 wheee Nov 01 10:52:50 I haz spamhammer ♥ Nov 01 10:57:08 K'day all Nov 01 10:59:08 morning lcuk Nov 01 11:05:49 Hi All. Nov 01 11:06:59 Can anybody tell me how I can modify the isolinux.cfg file which is generated by mic using the livecd format? I want to have it boot the installation entry automatically... Nov 01 11:20:36 is there any way to override the luks check in the installer? Nov 01 11:21:03 I have a luks partition on my netbook, but would like to install meego on an SD card, so it shouldnt care about any of the drives in the system except for that one Nov 01 11:23:21 luks ? you can choose to make your own partition to install meego ? Nov 01 11:24:11 the problem is the installer gives an error and quits whenever it finds any (existing) luks partition Nov 01 11:24:49 luks? Nov 01 11:25:04 fun... still meego is broken for the original netbooks(i.e. non atom ones) Nov 01 11:25:11 I don't know luks word Nov 01 11:25:27 luks is used for encryption Nov 01 11:25:32 Linux Unified Key Setup, encrypted block volumes using cryptsetup Nov 01 11:26:07 ahhh Nov 01 11:26:13 * niala_zombi note new word Nov 01 11:34:02 so I'm kinda stuck :P Nov 01 11:34:18 installing to the flashdrive in virtualbox is not possible either, since meego doesnt work in vbox Nov 01 11:35:00 yeah it works Nov 01 11:35:12 i have it booted on a vbox right now Nov 01 11:35:20 oh? thats new Nov 01 11:35:21 its IVI though Nov 01 11:35:32 whats IVI? Nov 01 11:35:46 in vehicle infotainment edition Nov 01 11:35:50 ah :) Nov 01 11:36:59 its better than trying to do it all on my 7inch screen. once i have it all configured the way i want it i'll clone the installed copy to my other drive Nov 01 11:40:12 pervert: you simply use the img file as virtual cdrom device? Nov 01 11:43:56 meego .img file is a standard .iso, only named differently; vbox may complain or outright ignore the file if the extension doesn't match Nov 01 11:46:26 yep, i just loaded the .img. i was going to convert it, but i thought "might as well try it first" Nov 01 11:47:06 thing is when i try to 'live' system from the .img in vbox, it hangs on black screen Nov 01 11:47:12 trying an installation to a virtual disk now Nov 01 11:47:54 yeah, i dont remember which way i did it Nov 01 11:48:01 i think i text installed it Nov 01 11:52:21 yeah, i just reinstalled from the .img (1.1) in vbox Nov 01 11:52:27 well its like 70% done Nov 01 11:53:44 ooho Nov 01 11:53:49 bootloader doesnt work Nov 01 11:54:36 maybe use my chameleon bootloader install disk Nov 01 11:54:48 or find anothr linux iso Nov 01 11:56:23 nah, bootloader works after a reset Nov 01 11:56:25 i think :P Nov 01 11:56:39 not this time :) Nov 01 11:57:06 oh, it doeds Nov 01 11:57:10 i'm just a tool Nov 01 12:18:33 Archie Bunker: In this house it's 'my country, right or wrong'! Nov 01 13:13:12 who can give me some introduction about how to install eat? Nov 01 13:13:44 summy, eat? Nov 01 13:14:03 yes Nov 01 13:14:24 summy, what app by who Nov 01 13:15:46 http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/Eat Nov 01 13:15:51 The abbrivation of enable automation test Nov 01 13:16:30 iceword, do you know about that? Nov 01 13:17:23 summy: enables automated testing Nov 01 13:18:06 you might want to join #meego-qa-tools to discuss with eat developers Nov 01 13:18:11 which is linux foundation implication into meego after yocto release? Nov 01 13:18:25 yes, i get it from gitorious, and also i have knew what it will be used Nov 01 13:18:49 but how can i install it in pc and device? Nov 01 13:19:06 there's packages already available? Nov 01 13:19:26 is there anyone who install successfully and give me some suggestion? Nov 01 13:19:55 vilvo, what do you mean? you said is one question? Nov 01 13:20:52 http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/Autotest-guide#Setting_up_test_automation_environment Nov 01 13:22:20 would you please elaborate what kind of problems you have? Nov 01 13:24:57 summy: now that I recall, it's successfully built&installed also from git even today - http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8401#c2 Nov 01 13:28:22 i see the auto-guide, finding that the eat-device is installed acording to the image flashed into the phone, which it means the image contains the eat-device automation script, is my understanding right? Nov 01 13:31:01 sounds right but you need also host side support - what do you try to do with it? Nov 01 13:33:33 someone told me the new x-server is Wayland in meego, right? Nov 01 13:34:32 i used it do some automation test Nov 01 13:35:09 yes , i need also install host side, Nov 01 13:47:56 * eikke gives up Nov 01 13:56:23 I need support for jack sensing in my PulseAudio module in Meego. Jack sensing is not a part of PulseAudio yet so I need to investigate how to obtain the jack sensing information myself. By looking at the overview of the Meego structure: http://meego.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/MeeGo-Arch-2-FullSize.png i think audio device drivers maybe are compiled into the kernel/ i don't know where to look for an API to get the jack sensing information Nov 01 14:14:09 it seems that alsa should send an input event when the jack is inserted but it is unclear to me Nov 01 15:45:45 Stskeeps: ping Nov 01 15:46:40 DawnFoster: pong Nov 01 15:47:00 Stskeeps: well, it's the 1st of the month, so I'll give you one guess :) Nov 01 15:47:20 No big hurry - I have lots of other metrics data to pull together Nov 01 15:47:21 you don't like mailman? Nov 01 15:47:38 do you have problems with repo.meego.com and zypper refresh? Nov 01 15:47:52 the monthly bribe payment? ;) sure, i'll book some time for irc stats tomorrow Nov 01 15:48:03 it seems that there is some kind of ip fragmentation problem when n900 is connected through USB to the internet Nov 01 15:48:20 saltsa_: hmm, mtu too high? Nov 01 15:48:49 Stskeeps: :) thanks again for gathering the IRC stats every month Nov 01 15:48:54 Stskeeps, my desktop is sending this ICMP to the repo.meego.com "unreachable - need to frag (mtu 1494), length 556" Nov 01 15:49:05 I'm cooking up a plan to get all of this better automated Nov 01 15:50:37 saltsa_: hmm, mtu too high? Nov 01 15:50:41 saltsa_: that might be a reason for the odd wifi problem we have too.. could you report this issue and cc carsten@maemo.org ? Nov 01 15:51:40 Stskeeps, mtu is 1500 for everything, usb0 in n900 and desktop, and for the ethernet on desktop too Nov 01 15:52:20 saltsa_: interesting Nov 01 15:53:27 Stskeeps, okay, now it's working correctly. I did nothing... Nov 01 15:53:50 Stskeeps, probably configuration problem with repo.meego.com ignoring those icmp messages about framentation? Nov 01 15:55:01 Stskeeps, but another problem: Booted to meego and the screen is white. So some desktop loading problem? Nov 01 15:55:03 saltsa_: might be Nov 01 15:55:10 saltsa_: give it some time Nov 01 15:55:32 i have given it over 15 minutes. Ssh to it is working correctly.. Nov 01 15:56:39 saltsa_: netbook? have you checked your graphics card? Nov 01 15:56:59 townxelliot, no, n900 and the 1.1 release image released @ meego.com Nov 01 16:01:39 saltsa_: oh, OK, not something I've done myself yet Nov 01 16:01:59 tried to boot again and now it booted to desktop Nov 01 16:15:29 saltsa_: that sounds weird Nov 01 16:16:17 can't make phone calls, it seems the device is in flight mode? Nov 01 16:17:24 do you have a PIN on your sim? Nov 01 16:17:30 yes Nov 01 16:17:34 that's why Nov 01 16:17:38 we don't support that right now Nov 01 16:21:06 anyway to manually enter it somewhere? Nov 01 16:22:39 not in 1.1 Nov 01 16:31:46 hi all Nov 01 16:32:12 hi Nov 01 16:47:35 Friend: "you can't use MeeGo, you won't have Gmail!" Me: "You can't use Linux, you won't have Outlook Exchange!" Nov 01 16:59:48 X-Fade: just pinged lbt as well, my home project isn't showing up on crepo.meego.com Nov 01 17:05:41 hey Stskeeps :) Nov 01 17:05:51 Stskeeps: less busy now that the release is out? Nov 01 18:50:50 salut niala, comment ça va? Nov 01 18:56:53 hmh Nov 01 18:57:05 installed meego 1.1 on my eee901 now, as-is, but wlan doesnt work Nov 01 18:57:22 rt2860sta is modprobe'd and no obvious errors in dmesg or messages Nov 01 18:57:26 ifconfig wlan0 up works fine Nov 01 18:57:35 but there's nothing shown in the networking panel Nov 01 18:58:16 how about iwconfig wlan0? Nov 01 19:00:15 I just did a dist-upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1, and seeing the same issue Nov 01 19:00:38 on 901eee pc specific Nov 01 19:00:46 eikke: please can you open a bugreport? Nov 01 19:01:01 eikke: and tell me the bug number Nov 01 19:01:10 does restarting connmand help? Nov 01 19:01:21 I can try that Nov 01 19:01:44 (still a bug though, even if that helps) Nov 01 19:02:42 thiago: nope, still no wireless showing up Nov 01 19:06:24 hey auke and thiago Nov 01 19:07:31 auke: will do. 901 here as well Nov 01 19:07:59 google found a forum thread as well, though diner now Nov 01 19:17:17 thiago: actually Nov 01 19:17:57 restarting connman with the same args (-W nl80211,wext) after ifconfig wlan0 up does make the wlan conn. appear in the panel Nov 01 19:18:08 DawnFoster: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.oct.html Nov 01 19:19:22 wohey! I actually show up in there Nov 01 19:21:14 Stskeeps: thanks Nov 01 19:22:22 I don't like what th0br0's random line is :/ Nov 01 19:22:51 niala: you got counted twice Nov 01 19:24:55 hello CosmoHill what? what did I do Nov 01 19:25:06 see the link Stskeeps posted Nov 01 19:29:47 CosmoHill: well disturbing maybe I must more read and less speak. We have the worst spelling and grammar in the stats also ? Nov 01 19:30:45 as long as you get your point across Nov 01 19:30:53 my english isn't the best either Nov 01 19:31:20 Stskeeps: thanks! Nov 01 19:31:57 np Nov 01 19:32:09 hi, I'm using the chroot sdk env, and need glib-config to compile a project. Which package does provide it? Nov 01 19:32:49 glibc-devel? Nov 01 19:33:52 nope Nov 01 19:44:00 fabrice_: glib2-devel prolly Nov 01 19:44:31 fabrice_: zypper install -t pattern meego-handset-desktop-devel ? Nov 01 19:44:55 or look at `zypper pt` for existing patterns Nov 01 19:45:50 auke, I alreay installed glib2-devel Nov 01 19:45:51 is there a way to list the files installed by a package Nov 01 19:45:51 ? Nov 01 19:46:30 rpm -ql $rpmname Nov 01 20:02:36 auke, thanks. still no luck with glib-config ... Nov 01 20:04:07 what project are you compiling? is it looking for glib 1.x ? Nov 01 20:04:21 there is no glib-1 in meego, only glib-2 Nov 01 20:04:36 and glib2 uses pkgconfig, not a -config script Nov 01 20:07:10 Hello all Nov 01 20:10:40 X-Fade: did you get my ping earlier? Nov 01 20:10:43 lbt: ? Nov 01 20:11:49 su RogerFederer!! Nov 01 20:11:54 arf!!! Nov 01 20:16:10 Hi all. Does anyone know whether the meego desktop component is available as a standalone thing that can be installed on top of another Linux distro, say for example Debian or Slackware? Nov 01 20:16:34 Also, are there any plans to provide support for restricted (proprietary) wifi drivers? Nov 01 20:17:00 there are no plans for restricted wifi drivers, meego has a strict merge guideline Nov 01 20:17:23 the netbook UX can be installed or compiled on most other distributions Nov 01 20:18:24 auke: I've been looking for that component and can't find it... I really like the UX, but sadly my netbook's wifi requires a proprietary driver Nov 01 20:18:50 which component are you looking for? Nov 01 20:19:20 auke: surely it'd be easier to get my netbook's wifi chipset (Broadcom) working from within Meego.... Nov 01 20:19:43 broadcom is working on an open source wifi driver Nov 01 20:19:43 I'd quite like to get Meego on my netbook - I really like the interface Nov 01 20:19:55 ah ok... but until then I can't use the closed source one? Nov 01 20:20:01 it's being worked on and will be in meego as soon as the upstream kernel accepts it Nov 01 20:20:17 I answered that question: no, there is a strict policy on no closed source kernel drivers. Nov 01 20:20:30 aha ok fair enough. I guess I'll have to pass on meego for now then, until that becomes available Nov 01 20:20:32 you can maybe add it yourself Nov 01 20:20:46 but, meego will not because it can not (distribute them) Nov 01 20:21:28 willwork4foo: if you want to help, call broadcom and tell them to work on it :) Nov 01 20:21:46 auke: I'm sure there are already enough voices singing that chorus :) Nov 01 20:21:57 no, not nearly enough Nov 01 20:24:41 In that case, I will send them an email now. Interestingly, on their contact page there is a specific bit about linux drivers for 802.11 wireless Nov 01 20:27:13 is possibol to have meego on HTC Touch2 (HTC Mega) smartphone??? Nov 01 20:27:26 pardòn... possible Nov 01 20:28:15 you can try Nov 01 20:28:55 not that I've heard anyone succeed Nov 01 20:29:43 but how? Nov 01 20:30:01 ... Nov 01 20:30:19 giova: it starts with being extremely experienced in these matters Nov 01 20:30:21 I don't think anything has tired yet Nov 01 20:30:58 ... ok ... Nov 01 20:31:01 we should make a wiki listing the porting efforts and attempts Nov 01 20:31:32 well at least he got an answer to his question :) Nov 01 20:31:47 auke: have you build arjan's recent powertop? Nov 01 20:32:46 thiago: yes Nov 01 20:32:59 infobot: htc is See http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD Nov 01 20:33:00 auke: okay Nov 01 20:33:03 !htc Nov 01 20:33:08 !htc Nov 01 20:33:10 ~htc Nov 01 20:33:11 hmm... htc is See http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD Nov 01 20:33:11 ~htc Nov 01 20:33:24 damn infobot Nov 01 20:33:35 PM'd me saying someone said that 0 seconds ago Nov 01 20:34:21 auke: where does pci/pci.h come from? Nov 01 20:34:32 pcuitils Nov 01 20:34:37 (lspci etc) Nov 01 20:35:17 auke: thanks Nov 01 20:35:35 * thiago runs the new powertop Nov 01 20:50:39 hi, i am trying to get the meego helloworld running as described here http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Creating_Hello_World Nov 01 20:50:56 everything works till i try to run the result in qemu Nov 01 20:51:12 then i get this error http://pastebin.com/bUPqevDB Nov 01 20:51:23 can anyone help me out there? Nov 01 20:56:31 its seems that there are other things wrong with my meego handset image. dmesg show http://pastebin.com/h23VKCKg Nov 01 20:58:59 bambule, do you have the 1.1 image itself or are you recycling an old one? Nov 01 20:59:56 lcuk: meego-handset-sdk-20101012-1.1.80.20101024.1603-sda.raw.tar.bz2 is what i am using Nov 01 21:00:30 shouldn't be something old. i just started two days ago or so to have a look at meego Nov 01 21:00:38 can you get the sdk itself to come up without attempting to run the binary and do the existing apps actually come through Nov 01 21:00:45 (sure, just asking general questions :)) Nov 01 21:00:59 lcuk: yes the qemu brings up the home screen. Nov 01 21:01:14 lcuk: but there are some apps that i can't run Nov 01 21:01:37 bambule, that might be due to other things, but what specifically have you noticed? Nov 01 21:03:14 bambule, i do know the sdk guys are working through getting it documented and released cleanly, theres a chance that you have falling into one of hte gotchas, but someone over there >>>> will have to carry on, i have to vanish Nov 01 21:03:35 one thing is the same as when i try to run my own app in qtcreator. if i am logged in on a console i see this Nov 01 21:03:38 localhost klogd: [ 305.039051] Process mcompositor (pid: 639, ti=f68f0000 task=f68e8430 task.ti=f68f0000) Nov 01 21:03:59 if i use dmesg i see the crashes that i also see with my app Nov 01 21:05:01 "killed with signal 6" is an issue with shutting down the X session Nov 01 21:05:28 it should not affect the applications, nor have I seen it occur at startup (only on shutdown is when it occurs) Nov 01 21:06:48 auke: i've just retested it. with the image i have i can't run the webbrowser. it will come up, the screen will become black and white a few times and then it falls back into the homescreen Nov 01 21:07:05 the console prints the klogd messages show earlier Nov 01 21:07:36 it also show localhost klogd: [ 56.380475] Process meego-im-uiserv (pid: 619, ti=f39ce000 task=f6feb050 task.ti=f39ce000) Nov 01 21:08:07 yeah several apps receive a SIGABRT Nov 01 21:08:26 as I said, it's only at shutdown time or should be Nov 01 21:08:29 well its a stock handset image i've just downloaded Nov 01 21:08:33 yes Nov 01 21:08:57 as I said, it shouldn't affect the normal startup and working of any application Nov 01 21:09:05 hmm, but the webbrowser shouldn't just terminate a few seconds after i've started it? Nov 01 21:10:21 that is probably an unrelated issue Nov 01 21:10:42 is it getting a SIGABRT? Nov 01 21:13:46 btw my dmesg also shows meego-im-uiserv/619: potentially unexpected fatal signal 11. Nov 01 21:14:02 is this also normal shutdown/startup? Nov 01 21:15:03 no, any signal 11 is a bug Nov 01 21:15:29 signal 6 errors are technically a bug, but in this case the impact is zero Nov 01 21:24:29 quick question - thinking of adding "move to trash" inside Tux Paint (when you delete a picture), rather than just doing an unlink() [think of the children!] Nov 01 21:24:51 on KDE/Gnome/etc., we can use xdg (freedesktop.org) spec. does Meego have the concept of a 'trash'? Nov 01 21:26:03 i played around some more and i can start every apps inside the handset image but not the browser Nov 01 21:27:48 kendrick: good point Nov 01 21:28:08 kendrick: meego should use `xdg-user-dir TRASH` but I see it's not defined Nov 01 21:28:56 kendrick: I wonder why it's not defined though - that's a miss but I can't find it on one other distro either Nov 01 21:29:13 kendrick: I think XDG_TRASH_DIR is a distro-specific extension Nov 01 21:29:38 * kendrick shrugs Nov 01 21:29:42 i'm very new to any of this :) Nov 01 21:29:48 kendrick: good idea Nov 01 21:31:53 wait wait Nov 01 21:31:59 there's a XDG trash spec Nov 01 21:32:13 using xdg-user-dir is probably wrong Nov 01 21:32:38 heheh Nov 01 21:34:01 http://www.ramendik.ru/docs/trashspec.html -> trash is per definition $XDG_DATA_HOME/Trash Nov 01 21:34:20 where XDG_DATA_HOME=~/.config by default Nov 01 21:34:33 no Nov 01 21:35:55 seems nautilus on meego puts it in ~/.local/share/Trash Nov 01 21:36:54 ok, Thunar also uses that location Nov 01 21:37:47 ok, found it Nov 01 21:37:50 http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html Nov 01 21:37:58 $XDG_DATA_HOME defines the base directory relative to which user specific data files should be stored. If $XDG_DATA_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.local/share should be used. Nov 01 21:38:07 so, The location of Trash is: Nov 01 21:38:25 ${XDG_DATA_HOME:-$HOME/.local/share}/Trash Nov 01 21:38:47 that's what you should use in your application Nov 01 21:42:34 hmh, why oh why doesnt meego ship with the ext4 FS driver :( Nov 01 21:44:00 thanks auke Nov 01 21:44:40 eh. why is swi-prolog installed with meego? Nov 01 21:45:01 i don't think i've seen the ${THIS:-THAT} syntax before Nov 01 21:45:21 it's bash for "if this variable has no value, use this as default" Nov 01 21:48:15 yeah that's neat Nov 01 21:48:24 of course, in my app (it's C), it'll be a pair of getenv() calls Nov 01 21:54:11 yes Nov 01 21:56:30 foo = getenv("XDG_DATA_HOME") ; if (!foo) { home = getenv("HOME") ; sprintf(foo, "%s/.local/share", home) }; sprintf(trash, "%s/Trash", foo); Nov 01 21:56:35 or... something like that :) Nov 01 21:57:22 Sadly to pidgin, ":-$" get interpreted as a squiggle-mouthed smiley. Not sure whether to blame bash or pidgin for that one... Nov 01 21:58:13 hehehe Nov 01 21:58:17 anyway, i'm outta here Nov 01 21:58:21 thanks again@ Nov 01 22:06:40 so.. how is the n900 one going? Nov 01 22:06:50 something usable yet? Nov 01 22:07:00 #define "one" Nov 01 22:07:03 Macer: I think it's going very well Nov 01 22:07:28 what hw isnt working still? Nov 01 22:07:41 sorry. havent checked up in a while Nov 01 22:07:48 easy: unsupported hardware isn't working still. Nov 01 22:07:57 i am just waiting umtil it is done Nov 01 22:08:05 unsupported? Nov 01 22:08:16 i thought nokia was giving out closed blobs Nov 01 22:08:20 auke: I think he meant what parts of the n900 still don't work Nov 01 22:08:22 what needs to be done? Nov 01 22:08:23 lol Nov 01 22:08:30 CosmoHill: he could be more specific :) Nov 01 22:08:39 CosmoHill: yeah... that is what i meant Nov 01 22:08:43 hehe Nov 01 22:08:43 I pointed that out to someoen today and got shouted at Nov 01 22:08:46 :) Nov 01 22:08:58 CosmoHill: you deserved it, I bet :D Nov 01 22:09:10 haha Nov 01 22:09:23 anyway I thought gfx and battery is now working properly Nov 01 22:09:31 the "university network" to me means the whole thing Nov 01 22:09:41 what I'd actually done is connected a computer to the back bone :/ Nov 01 22:09:54 CosmoHill: brilliant! Nov 01 22:10:33 ah. so still no cam and modem? Nov 01 22:10:46 or is the cam the only thing? Nov 01 22:11:03 lcuk: was doing some witchcraft with his cam Nov 01 22:11:29 lol! Nov 01 22:11:40 CosmoHill: TMI :) Nov 01 22:11:50 reverse engineering the drivers by disecting the hw? Nov 01 22:12:00 auke: but I didn't even mention the goat! Nov 01 22:12:45 Macer: he got the camera to track it's movement and change the screen's content Nov 01 22:23:28 is there any repository where gst-plugins-bad/ugly etc are available? Nov 01 22:23:53 there is one for 1.0 .. i compiled mine from source for 1.1 Nov 01 22:24:07 there's a forum thread that links to a personal repo with some stuff Nov 01 22:25:02 * eikke still doesnt get why meego needs to be a separate distribution Nov 01 22:25:58 there's a very strong case to not base on a distro that you do not control... Nov 01 22:27:03 you can't optimise what you can't control Nov 01 22:27:16 (or in some cases, unoptimise) Nov 01 22:27:44 generic vs. specifc Nov 01 22:27:48 generic vs. specific Nov 01 22:28:05 you sound like my general studies teacher Nov 01 22:32:51 although there's an argument that a "mobile-device-targeted" distribution will work well on pretty much any consumer-type device, that isn't the same as "a generic" distribution working well on mobile devices Nov 01 22:34:22 hence it makes sense to not try to respin an existing distro at all - that would be just as much work as just making a specific distro Nov 01 22:36:16 partially agree Nov 01 22:37:18 then there's the operational risk - suddenly your work could be extremely complex because you need to provide X but your upstream distro broke that, or has X+N Nov 01 22:37:56 thats not an issue if you dont ship any end-user stuff Nov 01 22:38:20 end-user stuff? Nov 01 22:38:22 eg if I work on some GNOME app, I dont care at all if some distro would break GTK Nov 01 22:38:33 auke: full distribution Nov 01 22:39:02 obviously that's totally relevant if a huge part of what we deliver is based on e.g. Qt Nov 01 22:39:22 s/gtk/qt then, whatever, same principle applies Nov 01 22:39:29 upstream breaks Qt? we're hosed, missing our planned deadline to deliver release X.Y Nov 01 22:39:50 only if your goal is to deliver full sets (top to bottom) :) Nov 01 22:40:08 then there's the potential that "upstream" considers you hostile and tries to derail your project Nov 01 22:40:20 or otherwise not cooperate Nov 01 22:40:32 nobody says there should be only 1 upstream Nov 01 22:40:45 yeah we'll do half debian and half red hat Nov 01 22:40:50 that'll fly Nov 01 22:40:51 no Nov 01 22:40:56 the thing is, you dont do anything Nov 01 22:41:15 consider meego to be a project similar to the gnome desktop release, or the kde desktop Nov 01 22:41:38 you dont really care about fedora or debian or opensuse at that point Nov 01 22:41:54 sure, a fancy desktop for mobiles, but power consumption and performance on any device sucks? Nov 01 22:42:10 oh and nobody will ship it Nov 01 22:42:33 why would nobody ship it? meego1.0 was targetted to be part of F14 Nov 01 22:42:41 its even in the release notes Nov 01 22:42:58 nonsense, meego 1.0 was never targeted to be part of any distro except meego itself Nov 01 22:43:33 meego doesn't cater to other distro's Nov 01 22:43:39 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MeeGo_1.0#Current_status Nov 01 22:43:50 that's not a meego statement, that's a fedora statement Nov 01 22:44:26 i never said nor implied it'd be a statement coming from the meego project Nov 01 22:44:30 if fedora claims that meego parts are targeted towards fedora releases, they are full of nonsense. Nov 01 22:44:52 they dont say nor imply that either Nov 01 22:45:28 they just want to ship the Meego netbook UX as a shell for their distro, similar to how they ship GNOME 2.x and KDE 4.x Nov 01 22:45:56 sure, they can, it has nothing to do with MeeGo as a project Nov 01 22:46:10 MeeGo is much more than just a UX for netbooks anyway Nov 01 22:46:53 it does has something to do with the meego project, since the meego project becomes an upstream for fedora Nov 01 22:47:01 I do know it's more than a netbook ux Nov 01 22:47:26 I'm not saying building your own stack from bottom to top is a bad thing per se Nov 01 22:47:39 it does have its benefits indeed Nov 01 22:47:44 but it also has drawbacks Nov 01 22:48:05 sure, there's implications to that choice Nov 01 22:49:04 but they're well-weighed and needed to make MeeGo on handsets for instance feasible Nov 01 22:49:28 question: any plan to use qt for UX netbook in futur? like other meego, ivi, phone, ? Nov 01 22:49:50 niala: would be nice, yes, we hope it happens in the long run Nov 01 22:49:58 but, no concrete plans whatsoever Nov 01 22:51:24 how netbook xill survive vs classic distro? I trust more the other meego-version Nov 01 22:51:32 xill/will Nov 01 22:52:13 note for mee meego is already very nice and speed, but many people complain about app Nov 01 22:58:55 Howdy, does anyone know how to use buteo to sync with google contact info? Nov 01 23:00:53 Hi, been trying to get MeeGo SDK up, I'm currently on this part http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_runtimes#Using_a_runtime , but when I run the command this happens, http://pastebin.com/PmUem6Dd and it appears no runtime was started. Can anyone give help with this? Nov 01 23:13:00 * wmarone sighs as yum redownloads 130MB of packages Nov 01 23:16:09 wmarone: meego doesn't use yum Nov 01 23:18:29 CosmoHill: it is still Nov 01 23:20:07