**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 05 02:59:58 2010 Nov 05 03:03:56 vgrade: have you tried to get VA-API working under EMGD? Nov 05 04:27:29 fabo: ping Nov 05 06:52:09 ferringb: pong Nov 05 06:58:49 Will libmeego touch (DUI) be killed and eventually replaced with QML ? Nov 05 06:59:22 dunno, but indications show that qml, qt is the direction from nokia's side Nov 05 07:01:14 mmh... Nov 05 07:01:31 what this means for MTF remains to be seen Nov 05 08:09:07 *yawn* moin Nov 05 09:34:41 dl9pf: ping? Nov 05 10:38:50 Hi, I need to apply some patches to the meego kernel. I have looked at: http://wiki.meego.com/Kernel_Process_Obsolete Nov 05 10:39:14 Is that still the newest information? Nov 05 10:39:24 it's marked 'obsolete' Nov 05 10:39:24 :P Nov 05 10:39:25 Updated: 2010-05-27 Nov 05 10:39:46 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_kernel_documentation_for_contributors Nov 05 10:41:03 Stskeeps, I need a step-by-step guide as http://wiki.meego.com/Kernel_Process_Obsolete Nov 05 10:41:06 I shouldn't laugh, but with my current luck and energy levels it is sort of consoling to know I'm not the only one Nov 05 10:41:37 kt_: it doesn't change the fact that the page is obsolete Nov 05 10:41:57 kt_: help write one then :) i think to some extent the documentation there is valid still Nov 05 10:42:37 Stskeeps, that was the information i was looking - that to some extent the information is still valid Nov 05 10:42:55 what do you think, if I made a mockup of an audiobook GUI and made a feature list, would someone actually do it? Nov 05 10:43:06 s/audiobook/audiobook player/ Nov 05 10:43:09 Myrtti meant: what do you think, if I made a mockup of an audiobook player GUI and made a feature list, would someone actually do it? Nov 05 10:43:13 Myrtti: design docs always help/vision Nov 05 10:43:25 that's about all I *can* do Nov 05 10:45:32 I can't even promise I could test it, but the idea comes from the fact there are no applications for Nokia devices I'd use if I still used their phones Nov 05 10:45:52 kt_: maybe check the mailing list mentioned on the wiki page Nov 05 10:46:39 X-Fade: pong Nov 05 10:47:09 rauli, thank you for your suggestion Nov 05 10:47:46 dl9pf: Any ideas on how to speed up the package installation phase for arm builds. I guess qemu io is the issue there? Nov 05 10:49:00 i'm working on it (rpm speedup is the key) but i'm busy with other tasks atm. Nov 05 10:50:09 Atm, on the community obs, we need about 4 minutes to build uxlaunch, of which only 10 seconds is the actual building. Nov 05 10:50:43 Trying to get the overhead down. Nov 05 10:50:59 an interesting tidbit would be where in the I/O chain exactly the bottlenecks are Nov 05 10:51:06 X-Fade: what is the overhead? Nov 05 10:51:30 Bostik: you mean like hard drive, RAM and network bottlenecks? Nov 05 10:51:49 if it's the physical stuff of writing blocks on disk, then a really large tmpfs for build environment might one trick to reduce the chokes Nov 05 10:51:50 CosmoHill: A i686 build takes about a minute including vm setup, install. Nov 05 10:52:11 It is cpu bound, because of qemu arm emu. Nov 05 10:52:20 ah Nov 05 10:52:26 I know that inside qemu everything, including the I/O operations are emulated as per the native arch Nov 05 10:52:36 so instead of cross compiling it's native compiling within a VM? Nov 05 10:53:04 dl9pf: Is parrallel install possible during that phase? It seems to only use one core, while more are available. Nov 05 10:57:30 its a sequential install due to the dependencies. Nov 05 10:58:27 could some parts not be parrallel? Nov 05 10:58:29 Yeah, it would need to be quite smart to do that in parallel where possible. Nov 05 10:58:33 isn't it native (x86) rpm doing the install? or am i misunderstanding things Nov 05 10:58:37 CosmoHill: I was thinking that maybe the full-scale syscall emulation that takes place when the data moves through the entire I/O chain could be somehow reduced by eliminating certain pieces; such as the "write-stuff-to-physical-disk" part, which in turn then skips the heavy'ish filesystem code paths Nov 05 10:58:54 No, rpm runs in qemu atm. Nov 05 10:59:38 X-Fade: really? doesn't have to, i think Nov 05 10:59:52 i mean, the chroot is unpopulated, so what installs the first packages? Nov 05 10:59:54 That is what speedrpm is trying to solve. Nov 05 11:00:17 Stskeeps: home:jsmoeller:speedrpm is what will solve this. Nov 05 11:00:19 ok Nov 05 11:00:37 i did cross-arm installs using rpm --root, so was just curious Nov 05 11:01:05 yes, initial run is done with (x86-)rpm of the host itself Nov 05 11:01:07 I've used rpm --root on my little distro for testing Nov 05 11:01:23 and also for installation from livecd Nov 05 11:01:32 marnanel: ping? Nov 05 11:01:36 but as soon as we move into the chroot (for max compatibility and %post scripts exec!) its currently rpm@arm Nov 05 11:01:44 mm ok Nov 05 11:01:58 i guess we risk issues like we see on mic2 Nov 05 11:02:04 which doesn't use the chroot's rpm as much Nov 05 11:02:13 yes Nov 05 11:03:51 Yeah, the postinst part is probably most crucial. Nov 05 11:04:14 the good news is that the postinsts of rpms are usually minimal :P Nov 05 11:04:20 and we have accelerated bash Nov 05 11:05:02 the default shell for meego is bash right and this is what sh points to? Nov 05 11:05:07 right Nov 05 11:05:17 just checking Nov 05 11:05:45 on my distro sh points to sh and this caused all kinds of problems for RPM Nov 05 11:05:49 *zsh Nov 05 11:11:24 going back to what X-Fade said about it only using one core Nov 05 11:11:31 oh wait Nov 05 11:11:51 I was gonna suggest using multiple cores to compile the package to speed up the build process Nov 05 11:12:22 but if the package only takes a minute to compile then increasing the number of cores it going to have little affect Nov 05 11:33:08 Hi, i'm trying to install meego sdk for Windows according to this page http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows . So I have done all the steps, but then I start MeeGo Emulator, windows pops up showing loading process and after it shows 'i386_start_kernel' it just hangs and does nothing. What could be a reason and how to fix it? Nov 05 11:33:18 X-Fade, are there any arm devices capable of doing the build/install phases natively faster than in qemu? Nov 05 11:36:21 lcuk: I can answer that - yes Nov 05 11:37:02 lcuk: co-worker ran a series of tests a year or so back, compiling most of ubuntu/main on a cluster of mx-51 boards Nov 05 11:37:28 one order of magnitude difference Nov 05 11:38:25 lcuk: I would guess that a pandaboard would do a better job, yes. Nov 05 11:40:21 interesting, is it possible to use in a production environment, i know the pandas are not cased up onto server racks and such yet? Nov 05 11:40:53 Well we would first need to test it anyway. Storage is another issue for those boards. Nov 05 11:41:30 if not those boards, are there any other arm based blades which can act as slot in replacements with the drives and stuff Nov 05 11:44:03 There was a rumour that Facebook was looking into arm servers, but that doesn't seem to be true ;) Nov 05 11:47:52 so can anyone help me?.. Nov 05 11:48:14 foreach: No, not without more info. Nov 05 11:49:10 X-Fade, what info is needed? Nov 05 11:49:14 I can make a wild guess: PAE not enabled? (default boot is quiet, so you don't see the error) Nov 05 11:50:13 how to enable it? Nov 05 11:51:35 lcuk: http://www.excito.com/bubba/products/technical-specifications.html like the computer on the right? Nov 05 11:57:25 vilvo: pong Nov 05 11:57:50 interesting CosmoHill :) nice find Nov 05 11:57:57 hi marnanel \o Nov 05 11:58:21 hmm, if I start emulator with starting kqemu first, then emulator loads successfully in command line mode where I can log in Nov 05 11:58:22 shame it doesn't have a serial port or VGA Nov 05 11:58:36 CosmoHill, not reqd for server use? Nov 05 11:58:50 there not but it would be very nice for development use Nov 05 11:58:51 no, but bloody handy Nov 05 11:58:52 :P Nov 05 12:00:04 you need some way to access it at boot Nov 05 12:00:37 ahh i misread and thought they were rackspace remote devices rather than shipped and on desk Nov 05 12:02:14 hmm, they have a 500GB hard drive and come with debian Nov 05 12:02:25 so potentially they could be used as build devices Nov 05 12:02:38 lcuk: hi :) Nov 05 12:06:06 1.2GHz sounds like A9, but why only 512MB of memory? Nov 05 12:06:37 yeah, why 512MB, everybody knows you only need 640kb Nov 05 12:06:44 not that Nov 05 12:06:53 but panda comes with 1GB on board already, iirc Nov 05 12:07:16 Bostik: link please Nov 05 12:07:18 tgif Nov 05 12:07:33 * Jartza is tired Nov 05 12:07:34 just a minute, hunting the page Nov 05 12:07:43 http://pandaboard.org/content/resources/references Nov 05 12:07:51 top-right corner of the image, "highlights" Nov 05 12:08:05 last line reads "Memory: 1GB ..." Nov 05 12:09:06 http://pandaboard.org/content/platform confirms specifically in the memory section Nov 05 12:09:08 impressive Nov 05 12:09:31 ah yes, thank you Nov 05 12:09:37 Bostik: aww, can't make a North Korean meego PDA from that then Nov 05 12:09:43 it has radio chip Nov 05 12:09:48 it does say 1GB DDR2 low power in the gray box above the picture Nov 05 12:10:24 oo that can do 1080p, my computers can't even do that :( Nov 05 12:10:41 just looking same thing. Nov 05 12:10:51 Myrtti: maybe one can live with such a restriction Nov 05 12:11:56 Bostik: or try to pry the chip out with a chisel Nov 05 12:12:44 *wondering does it provide supported graphics chip Nov 05 12:17:17 oops my n900 main memory is full Nov 05 12:17:28 disk space ^ Nov 05 12:24:40 marnanel: I was looking http://wiki.meego.com/Meegons and wondering if we could have some MeeGons to improve http://wiki.meego.com/Quality main page structure? Nov 05 13:01:22 is there a plan for meego tablet UI? Nov 05 13:02:02 smoku: Yes, check on youtube for an example. Nov 05 13:02:30 X-Fade, youtube is not much of the "plan" Nov 05 13:02:48 i've seen the movie, thus I'm asking Nov 05 13:02:54 smoku: No, but it gives you an idea. Haven't seen any docs though. Nov 05 13:03:01 because i cannot find any official information about tablet UI Nov 05 13:03:06 just this intel POC Nov 05 13:03:24 It is not an official UX for 1.2 yet, so... Nov 05 13:03:29 I wonder whether it is going to be an official meego supported UI Nov 05 13:03:47 or some custom thingy intel is putting on their OEM releases Nov 05 13:04:05 like nokia is going with their meego release Nov 05 13:04:26 with their custom proprietary ui for handsets Nov 05 13:19:45 hey there! i have nokia n900 and wanted to try meego, so i loaded all the data to my microSD card and did the steps descripted in setup instructions. but when i plug the phone it starts and displays some text quite unreadable because the display brigthness is so low... what should i do? Nov 05 13:20:14 vilvo: sure. I'm kind of snowed under at the moment, and perhaps someone else would be better to do it, but if not, I'll get to it in a bit Nov 05 13:21:49 plan_rich: wait. Nov 05 13:21:56 (yes, that's it, just wait.) Nov 05 13:22:14 ljp: ping - think you've got a bit of time to help me out a touch with the build service? well, you or indeed anybody else :) Nov 05 13:22:14 kk :D ill try that now again Nov 05 13:22:20 and you probably used an even slower card Nov 05 13:22:26 so you need to wait some more Nov 05 13:22:29 :) Nov 05 13:23:12 i got a class 6 sdhc card Nov 05 13:23:24 ok Nov 05 13:27:03 theres a orange light now does that say im fine? Nov 05 13:28:49 if you look at the text, you'll see it's slowly booting Nov 05 13:28:56 yes, i know it's dark Nov 05 13:30:26 great, now I managed to load emulator so it shows console, but how could I start meego UX? Nov 05 13:30:43 but it says there: VFS: cannot open root device "mmcb1k0p1" or unknown-block (179,1) Nov 05 13:32:27 there are many errors saying that my sd card cannot be mounted at block 179,1 Nov 05 13:32:28 plan_rich: ew. that's not good Nov 05 13:33:06 also when i insert the sd card into my pc it is not mounted anymore... why is that? Nov 05 13:34:01 * TSCHAKeee2 takes a deep breath Nov 05 13:34:05 depends on your OS Nov 05 13:34:24 kubuntu Nov 05 13:34:34 why desctop is not shown in emulator? Nov 05 13:34:53 does it mount when you click on it Nov 05 13:34:56 ? Nov 05 13:35:06 it is not even shown that i can be mounted Nov 05 13:35:42 problem is dmesg: '[ 1300.025030] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0p1. Nov 05 13:35:42 [ 1315.225200] EXT3-fs (mmcblk0p1): error: can't find ext3 filesystem on dev mmcblk0p1. Nov 05 13:35:42 [ 1318.993145] EXT2-fs (mmcblk0p1): error: can't find an ext2 filesystem on dev mmcblk0p1.' Nov 05 13:36:16 did dd destroy my sd card? Nov 05 13:37:03 dd will happily write lots of data onto a partition, its not "destroyed" its just not got data that your host OS can understand Nov 05 13:37:43 i dont know which image you copied to the card, but afaik, the images are btrfs aren't they? Nov 05 13:38:10 btrfs? Nov 05 13:39:06 http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/MeeGo-project-chooses-Btrfs-as-standard-file-system-999051.html Nov 05 13:39:28 k Nov 05 13:39:39 * lcuk might be wrong, but thats potentially why you are not seeing valid data from within your os Nov 05 13:40:35 well i download the raw and try again... maybe something was corrupted with the download Nov 05 13:40:54 thx for help Nov 05 13:50:55 shouldn't "rpm -qa" list all packages installed on my system? Nov 05 13:53:16 think so Nov 05 13:53:29 smoku: yes, it does Nov 05 13:54:31 [root@localhost ~]# rpm -qa Nov 05 13:54:31 [root@localhost ~]# Nov 05 13:54:37 nothing Nov 05 13:55:20 hmm Nov 05 13:55:31 this might happen where the RPM database hasn't been created Nov 05 13:55:38 or something else has happened to it Nov 05 13:59:33 i did the same procedure with my sd card and the new raw file. but stille it claims that it cannot open root device mmc1k0p1 which is the sdcard... any suggestions? Nov 05 14:00:11 are you using the correct kernel for the raw image? Nov 05 14:00:43 y checked the md5sum of meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1-vmlinuz-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900 Nov 05 14:01:19 smoku: what OS did you build the image on? Nov 05 14:04:00 Stskeeps, ubuntu Nov 05 14:04:40 version? Nov 05 14:04:41 :P Nov 05 14:04:46 I am able to install packages with zypper Nov 05 14:04:56 10.10 Nov 05 14:05:14 ok, that is a known bug (i think) - the ubuntu rpm trashes the databases Nov 05 14:05:15 -s Nov 05 14:05:50 is there a known fix? Nov 05 14:06:09 i haven't found one yet. could you search bugs.meego.com and see if there's a reported bug? Nov 05 14:10:06 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Nov 05 14:10:06 USB device found found at bus 002, device address 017. Nov 05 14:10:06 Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2204 Nov 05 14:10:06 NOLO version 1.4.14 Nov 05 14:10:06 Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 Nov 05 14:10:08 Sending kernel image (1563 kB)... Nov 05 14:10:10 100% (1563 of 1563 kB, avg. 19071 kB/s) Nov 05 14:10:19 Stskeeps, Bug 9086 Nov 05 14:10:22 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9086 nor, Undecided, ---, yi.y.yang, NEW, The rpm database is not populated when creating images on ubuntu 10.10 Nov 05 14:10:37 but there is no Flashing kernel... done Nov 05 14:10:42 smoku: ah, bingo Nov 05 14:10:46 plan_rich: it shouldn't flash Nov 05 14:11:17 pretty recent one Nov 05 14:11:47 y but my output is still the same: cannot open root device mmc1k0p1 ... this is weird Nov 05 14:12:06 plan_rich: is your back cover on? Nov 05 14:12:40 yes Nov 05 14:12:54 how did you dd it? Nov 05 14:13:42 sudo dd bs=4096 if=meego-handset-armv7l-n900-*-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmc1k0p1 Nov 05 14:13:54 ah, that's your problem Nov 05 14:13:56 it... Nov 05 14:14:12 it should be mmcblk0, not p1 Nov 05 14:14:13 plan_rich: you have to write to the whole card Nov 05 14:14:22 :) Nov 05 14:14:27 lol Nov 05 14:14:32 kk ill try that Nov 05 14:15:57 whats the difference betweene these two? cause fdisk -l says mmc1k0p1 is the card Nov 05 14:17:08 plan_rich, partition vs block Nov 05 14:17:21 we're rewriting the entire sd card, so Nov 05 14:17:54 k Nov 05 14:20:36 awesome it works Nov 05 14:22:42 this is perhaps the issue I always have, when I try to do tech support. I assume people type the right commands to begin with :P :) Nov 05 14:27:28 it is really slow... Nov 05 14:27:54 well, it's 1.1 and we don't have fancy gfx drivers in yet :) Nov 05 14:28:50 k but i like it Nov 05 14:32:31 maybe one day there will be a stable meego for n900 :D Nov 05 14:32:49 well, yeah... nobody said there'd be one now Nov 05 14:33:33 Nokia did a lot of handwaving towards something along those lines. Nov 05 14:33:49 plan_rich: we are working actively on it, yes Nov 05 14:33:53 GAN900: and right afterwards a lot along the other way Nov 05 14:35:35 They really don't deserve anybody's business these days. Nov 05 14:35:40 http://pastebin.com/iWKkW0ss - is meego dhclient broken, or did I miss some package? Nov 05 14:36:06 smoku: it works, fwiw, but you're right, those errors are weird.. Nov 05 14:36:27 yes it obtains the address correctly Nov 05 14:36:45 but the infrastructure to create resolv.conf etc. is apparently missing Nov 05 14:40:11 smoku: file a bug(TM) Nov 05 14:43:57 Stskeeps, OS Base / Component?? any idea? Nov 05 14:44:02 smoku: networking Nov 05 14:50:17 Stskeeps, no networking component Nov 05 14:50:25 really? Nov 05 14:50:26 I filed under Other Nov 05 14:50:27 middleware then Nov 05 14:50:40 i always get os base and middleware confused Nov 05 14:50:43 no middleware either Nov 05 14:50:47 hm Nov 05 14:50:47 :P Nov 05 15:45:09 ihhh, put on my stickers on the N1 and they seem to still have enough glue to keep it on the phone Nov 05 15:47:18 sounds like my phone, feels like my phone, looks like my phone Nov 05 15:48:12 did all the rooms sell out in D4 complex Dublin ? Nov 05 15:49:24 maybe I am speaking to an empty IRC channel already and everyone is already at the bar :) Nov 05 15:49:56 I'm not at the bar, but I'm braindead Nov 05 15:50:04 so I'm as good as being in a bar Nov 05 15:50:10 heh... note to self.... don't get too excited... I am a WEEK EARLY ! ha ha Nov 05 15:50:59 odin_: I think there are still rooms at the D4 Nov 05 15:51:28 odin_: unfortunately, it's still morning over here :) Nov 05 15:52:02 * Stskeeps has weekend but has to prepare for conference talks Nov 05 15:52:15 * Stskeeps ponders to plan a half a month away from communications at some point.. Nov 05 15:56:10 ♥ GAN900 ♥ Nov 05 15:56:14 that is all :-D Nov 05 15:59:51 ok thanks for the D4 update, a shame as there was a 2 to 3 week period if time between when D4 were allowing reservation (all be it a lower rates than Meego Conf) Nov 05 16:01:11 this was when I phoned up to find out there are no rooms and I explicitly told D4 reception desk I am going to conference, but they were still out of room, I guess it was upto whomever was holding the block booking to allocate/manage them Nov 05 16:01:34 so I ended up booking somewhere nearby (for a good price however) Nov 05 16:01:47 * lcuk ponders flights also Nov 05 16:02:00 odin_: the reservations for the conference had to be made online (not over the phone) - no idea why the hotel did it that way Nov 05 16:02:05 odin_: ah, you'd probably go through the conference website instead of D4 reception, that's what's handling the block booking.. Nov 05 16:02:51 dont think the conf website was up then, or at least the booking of hotel rooms part of it, I booked around 28-Aug-2010 but not to worry and all that Nov 05 16:03:20 I think an announcement came out around 2 weeks after booking of exactly what to do to get a D4 room Nov 05 16:03:45 or I just missed/could not find info on wiki page, which talks/informs of D4 Nov 05 16:06:25 ah well at least I have a week to think/prepare for it myself Nov 05 16:06:59 i should probably start planning the trip as well.. got tickets and a horrible 7am direct flight on the return on thursday.. Nov 05 16:08:59 * odin_ ponders "Web Check In" ar RyanAir, do I need to search my own bags for contraband ? Nov 05 16:09:39 nah, the automatic system to make sure your luggage gets lost includes that Nov 05 16:09:39 :P Nov 05 16:10:36 Stskeeps: no, Ryanair usually manages the bags ok Nov 05 16:10:44 it's EasyJet that fucks stuff up Nov 05 16:12:01 just two weeks ago they forgot to load a planeful of people's luggage from Luton to Berlin Nov 05 16:12:12 didn't send it to a wrong place - they forgot Nov 05 16:12:29 "Oops" Nov 05 16:12:41 "oops, yeah, the luggage, it's been here on Luton all the time" Nov 05 16:13:15 if they had put them in the wrong plane, then there would've atleast been a token effort of putting the luggage where it should be Nov 05 16:15:08 then again, I've been mostly flying from Finland to UK - and it requires special effort for the airport crew to lose the luggage when the terminal Ryanair uses here can handle exactly one planeload of people at a time Nov 05 16:16:38 right, have a happy weekend everyone Nov 05 16:17:08 Seeya! :) Nov 05 16:19:23 marnanel: getting a few meegons for wiki.meego.com/Quality is not urgent, the other people mentioned on MeeGons page are not available in irc so please let me know where to request those Nov 05 16:19:47 vilvo: I would private-message them on the MeeGo forums Nov 05 16:20:06 ok, thanks Nov 05 16:22:34 umm, who are the artists behind meegons? texrat, physalis? Nov 05 16:22:43 and you of course :) Nov 05 16:22:46 vilvo, probably better to add to the thread Nov 05 16:22:59 PMing requests isnt very open to external participation ;) Nov 05 16:23:40 * CosmoHill returns Nov 05 16:23:45 vilvo: those are the ones I know about. texrat and physalis have actual talent, though, I'm just a scribbler Nov 05 16:25:00 Myrtti: I had my luggage lost at Helsinki last year. I think they'd sent it to Frankfurt or something. It was two or three days into the visit before I got my clothes back Nov 05 16:26:27 would be hard to do for ryanair here. they usually only have one plane available where they can store the luggage :) Nov 05 16:27:20 I think this was FinnAir, unless it was BA Nov 05 16:27:52 * lbt does carry-on Nov 05 16:27:56 lcuk: probably better add to the thread - I need fresh brains to think how those meegons should look like and that I don't have on Friday evening so I'll bail out for weekend. have a good one, everyone Nov 05 16:28:21 lbt: works for your short-term-visits... Nov 05 16:28:37 lbt, too much tech crap for that. Nov 05 16:28:41 yup... longer ones have more of a bouquet Nov 05 16:29:01 * marnanel used to do everything with carryon ten years ago, but it's harder now flights are generally transatlantic Nov 05 16:29:11 nano-clothes Nov 05 16:29:20 I was a bit pissed that it took them over 30 minutes to unload the luggage in DUS two weeks ago Nov 05 16:29:28 Aard, don't you find it distracting when lbt turns up to meetings in a mankini? Nov 05 16:29:40 yeah, you know those capsules you drop into a glass of water and they turn into stuff? Can't they make clothes like that? Nov 05 16:29:50 yes marnanel Nov 05 16:29:55 Even just shirts would make things a lot easier Nov 05 16:29:58 lcuk: no, suits him quite well Nov 05 16:30:04 * lbt works out Nov 05 16:30:06 transatlantic means you always come back to europe suitcase full of electronics?:) Nov 05 16:30:18 electronics don't go in hold luggage :) Nov 05 16:31:00 lol Aard lbt Nov 05 16:35:31 yay, osc exploded again :( Nov 05 17:08:07 hello? Nov 05 17:09:37 hi Nov 05 17:11:25 does anyone know anything about Connected TV on MeeGo? Nov 05 17:15:30 Guest75735: any specific questions? Nov 05 17:16:40 hi auke, I am wondering what is the state of Connected TV profile Nov 05 17:16:50 I can not seem to find that information anywhere Nov 05 17:17:24 the people working on making connected TV products are mostly just taking meego Core and building their own stuff on top of it Nov 05 17:17:44 we get feedback and requests from them regularly but otherwise that's mostly it Nov 05 17:17:59 there's no UI or features planned for anything specific Nov 05 17:18:14 when can we expect to see a release out of it? Nov 05 17:18:56 or, should I rephrase the question, will there be an official MeeGo Connected TV release? Nov 05 17:19:59 probably not Nov 05 17:20:12 it sounds very device specific Nov 05 17:20:14 the reason is that there's noone out there that will likely make a product out of it Nov 05 17:20:37 set top box manufactures could do that Nov 05 17:20:51 they will use their own (proprietary) UX Nov 05 17:20:59 hm Nov 05 17:21:21 why assume proprietary? Nov 05 17:21:30 so, then there will be no Connected TV profile, right? Nov 05 17:21:36 actually, I'm not assuming that Nov 05 17:21:45 I should have wrote (proprietary or not) Nov 05 17:21:56 written* Nov 05 17:22:21 afk coffee run Nov 05 17:25:36 oh crap Nov 05 17:25:45 my phone charger cable just went up the vacuum cleaner Nov 05 17:33:05 At MeeGo Connected TV pages, they say "MeeGo for Connected TV delivers a complete, open standards-based Linux stack, optimized for living room devices, such as Blu-ray players, set top boxes, and digital TVs" Nov 05 17:33:23 does anybody know what is in that "delivery"? Nov 05 17:33:50 auke, I feel weird with such a thread hijack too .. hehe Nov 05 17:33:54 felt* Nov 05 17:41:10 araujo: sigh Nov 05 17:41:21 I read that thread before I had coffee Nov 05 17:43:13 DawnFoster: i wonder if a way to get rid of the outside-mailing-lists conversations is that if you have to enforce any kind of policy or decision has to be able to be proven with a public record (irc log, meeting log item, mailing list post) or it's unenforcable.. it certainly works for the FEA# requirement in OBS submissions atm :) Nov 05 17:43:52 MannyNS: right now the delivery to that requirement is what we call "MeeGo Core" Nov 05 17:44:11 it's the base part of MeeGo including Xorg Nov 05 17:44:13 Stskeeps: if only I had the power to make those decisions :) Nov 05 17:44:19 I love the idea Nov 05 17:44:57 conversations arent a problem! Nov 05 17:45:15 lcuk: well, if it's a mail to a bunch of people on CC .. Nov 05 17:45:19 discussions and meetings either - we want people to retain power of human voice! Nov 05 17:45:26 i occasionally think CO should have the power to enforce community-wide things to help the 'work environment'.. Nov 05 17:46:46 Stskeeps, do you have any specific examples of where it doesnt work? Nov 05 17:47:40 lcuk: by being part of these patterns of discussions, which means mailing lists and anyone who 'isn't in the loop' isn't able to participate.. Nov 05 17:48:04 of course power of human voice is useful, that's what you have meeting minutes for.. Nov 05 17:48:07 :P Nov 05 17:49:18 Stskeeps, arent email conversations just the same as normal conversations Nov 05 17:49:48 lcuk: closed-loop conversations are not very transparent and they make it difficult to prove yourself as you don't know they're going on.. Nov 05 17:50:22 chasing ghosts then - if you don't know they are going on and cannot prove they are - how can you stop them Nov 05 17:51:16 and of course, if you are in such a discussion then surely its upto you as someone involved to actively do something about it ;) Nov 05 17:51:46 by making them unenforceable, because eventually the outcome of those conversations will be visible Nov 05 17:53:32 not really sure which decisions you are on about - care to offer a few examples of where you think its occured? Nov 05 17:56:11 lcuk: i've been involved in a couple of conversations, but i have to go cook now :P Nov 05 17:56:29 :) Nov 05 17:57:59 auke: thanks Nov 05 18:07:44 meego n00b has arrived... who's available to answer dumb questions? Nov 05 18:08:18 * CosmoHill points to the premium rate phone number Nov 05 18:08:24 I think such a question will genereally attract few if any replies Nov 05 18:08:33 it will attract replies Nov 05 18:08:43 relevant ones then Nov 05 18:08:55 ok ok so i'll just put it out there... Nov 05 18:09:08 yes, that's the best way Nov 05 18:09:18 * udzinari thinks that google can search the logs for dumb questions pretty well Nov 05 18:09:42 if i mount the netbook image and run it with xephyr (if thats the correct terminology) Nov 05 18:10:00 how can i set the window size or does it have to be 1024x768 Nov 05 18:10:11 you can set the window size Nov 05 18:10:18 see "Xephyr --help" Nov 05 18:10:19 cos i really would prefer fullscreen window Nov 05 18:10:50 yes i can definitely change the screen but when meego loads it forces a larger window Nov 05 18:11:05 and if i go fullscreen it just goes black Nov 05 18:11:21 meego nighttime ux Nov 05 18:11:34 heh Nov 05 18:11:37 lcuk: is there a 5th of november edition? Nov 05 18:11:51 CosmoHill, that would require live wallpaper/ active content Nov 05 18:12:10 I think I'll just look out the window in that case Nov 05 18:13:35 sigh, its always slow getting into new projects. @lcuk is that something i must look up? Nov 05 18:14:04 no zdenek - i am not sure why fullscreen fails Nov 05 18:14:12 never tried it, i am using the handset ux Nov 05 18:14:52 oh ok... to the forums Nov 05 18:15:18 does internet search not help? Nov 05 18:16:53 not yet at least... Nov 05 18:34:52 dammit it's raining Nov 05 18:35:44 lol Nov 05 18:36:00 CosmoHill, you have no idea how funny that sounds :) Nov 05 18:36:13 * CosmoHill blinks Nov 05 18:36:52 it's fireworks night Nov 05 18:37:36 CosmoHill, shouldn't matter as long as it's not pouring Nov 05 18:38:38 that reminds me, I need to get my camera battery from the car Nov 05 18:42:07 I'm having my friends and family over tonight so tonight will be awesome :) Nov 05 18:42:13 (if slightly damp) Nov 05 19:49:59 smoku: are you in #meego-arm ? Nov 05 19:50:12 dcordes, sure Nov 05 20:10:10 Hello, my netboot stay at cursor prompt forever when I stick in the usb with image. Nov 05 20:10:56 What can I do to make it start booting, my system contains an Atom processor Nov 05 20:12:54 hello SeshuCL are you booting on usb? is your video card compatible? Nov 05 20:13:18 I'm guess so Nov 05 20:13:19 what is your netbook Nov 05 20:13:45 Its a custom built system, contains Atom processor Nov 05 20:13:58 What else do I have to check to see if it is compatible? Nov 05 20:15:13 principaly video card Nov 05 20:16:18 http://wiki.meego.com/Devices#Netbooks Nov 05 20:20:15 Well, I see that its Intel Graphics Media Accelerator driver Nov 05 20:22:38 Intel Atom CPU z250 @ 1.33 GHz Nov 05 20:25:56 SeshuCL: how did you write your usb stick? Nov 05 20:26:07 yes Nov 05 20:26:20 I'm using my ubuntu system Nov 05 20:26:38 so used the image writer to create the downloaded image. Nov 05 20:27:01 I downloaded meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.img Nov 05 20:28:11 I had some pb with imagewriter try dd Nov 05 20:28:32 Oh! is it...? Ok let me try that... Nov 05 20:29:00 But, I've been using image writer for sometime...I never had issue with my ubuntu images. Nov 05 20:29:17 Is this specific to the meego image, any ideas? Nov 05 20:29:42 note poulsbo and gma500 won't work even they are intel video card Nov 05 20:29:49 no idea Nov 05 20:30:28 I have tested imagewriter with no succes one time then I use only d Nov 05 20:30:30 dd Nov 05 20:44:17 :-( dd too is not working...so I'm guess my video card is poulsbo or gma500. Nov 05 20:44:39 But how can I find that...do you have any suggestions, please. Nov 05 20:44:45 what system is that? Nov 05 20:44:54 model name/number? Nov 05 20:45:34 Its a custom build system... Nov 05 20:45:43 system board name? Nov 05 20:45:53 don't know the entire configuration... Nov 05 20:46:15 System board name, how can I locate that...can you please suggest. Nov 05 20:46:18 dmidecode might tell you the board name, vendor etc. Nov 05 20:46:39 It was windows xp embedded installed on it. Nov 05 20:49:52 I'm afraid, I may not be able to find the dmidecode as my system has windows xp embedded installed on it. Nov 05 20:50:15 you should be able to use any linux live boot image and run dmidecode on that Nov 05 20:50:35 lspci -nn output might also help Nov 05 20:53:32 Ok! great...but, :-( Nov 05 20:53:52 as niala mentioned, my system is having GMA500 video card Nov 05 20:54:07 you said you didn't know? Nov 05 20:54:34 yes, i was not knowing it before...did google search Nov 05 20:54:50 and found that I can find it from the display settings Nov 05 20:55:02 what does that tell you? Nov 05 20:55:35 so just checked and confirmed that it has the Intel's Graphics Media Accelerator 500 Nov 05 20:55:40 ok Nov 05 20:55:43 oh meego ux reboot alone, he doesn't do that since 3 months lol Nov 05 20:55:46 yah, then you're done for now. Nov 05 20:55:58 it's not currently supported. Nov 05 20:56:09 SeshuCL: gma500 ? Nov 05 20:56:22 yes Nov 05 20:56:38 its gma500 niala :-( Nov 05 20:57:02 SeshuCL: you can play in virtual environment it's funy, prepare the futur Nov 05 20:57:39 How can I do that? Virtual environment? Nov 05 20:57:59 2s I paste wiki docs Nov 05 21:01:01 hello guys, does someone know how to installfirefox on meego 1.1 ? thks Nov 05 21:02:06 is someone there ? Nov 05 21:02:38 yup Nov 05 21:02:49 SeshuCL: well url have moved Nov 05 21:03:02 firefox was taken out of MeeGo:1.1 repositories earlier Nov 05 21:03:31 you'll need to get an official firefox download or wait for it to be merged in the community OBS Nov 05 21:04:09 SeshuCL: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Emulator_QEMU or sdk if you are a developper http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux Nov 05 21:05:03 ok so I have to download a rpm of firefox, for example from fedora ? and then install it with zypper Nov 05 21:05:13 for instance, yes Nov 05 21:05:50 or download tar.gz and just ./firefox in good repertory Nov 05 21:06:23 for instance, yes Nov 05 21:06:42 Hey, anybody here happen to have a list of the repositories and architectures for them for build.meego.com by any chance? :) Nov 05 21:07:45 more easy than find a working rpm auke you know joker ;) Nov 05 21:09:26 lbt: you permayhaps? ;) Nov 05 21:09:42 mmm Nov 05 21:09:56 build.meego.com is closed no? Nov 05 21:09:57 niala: sorry? Nov 05 21:10:12 build.meego.com is not open to the public, yes Nov 05 21:10:22 there is a community OBS instead Nov 05 21:10:46 auke: well sorry difficult to translate joke Nov 05 21:10:47 leinir: it's down Nov 05 21:10:50 auke: not yet... but i'll need information on that as well ;) Nov 05 21:11:05 lbt: ah, bugger... that does make it difficult ;) Nov 05 21:11:23 community OBS ready ? Nov 05 21:11:33 pretty much :) Nov 05 21:12:22 :) I don't know what i will build but I will built it Nov 05 21:12:30 I have some tasks this weekend... and we have some nasty performance issues still :( Nov 05 21:13:08 lbt: this information is one of two major pieces of information i need for project bretzn to really start becoming useful for meegons... ;) Nov 05 21:13:22 ah, it's talking again Nov 05 21:13:37 auke: FEA# about u-boot has been submitted, so it'll take that path Nov 05 21:13:59 leinir: ask Stskeeps for a more educated answer Nov 05 21:14:11 bretzn? Nov 05 21:14:13 lbt: alright, shall do :) Nov 05 21:14:20 it's friday evening, there's no educated answers from any danes Nov 05 21:14:29 pretzels Nov 05 21:14:37 any question my super app whos does nothing must, be in comunity.obs.meego.com or ovistore or intelstore (sorry don't remember the name) arm and atom ? Nov 05 21:14:37 Stskeeps: It's friday evening, on J-day ;) Nov 05 21:14:44 even wore Nov 05 21:14:45 worse Nov 05 21:15:00 lbt: Project Bretzn, dot.kde.org/2010/11/02/frank-karlitschek-introduces-bretzn :) Nov 05 21:15:23 leinir: you want to build it for meego ? Nov 05 21:16:04 leinir: did you see my post about OCS ? Nov 05 21:17:27 lbt: That's the idea, yeah - and no, i don't think that i did... link me? :) Nov 05 21:17:34 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-October/479435.html Nov 05 21:17:36 Nov 05 21:17:42 archives are broken Nov 05 21:17:47 Hi, I'm trying to figure out my install/testing stategy on the IVI version of meego. As been noted lots of times, there's no *approved* way to upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1 -- Is the same true between development builds (ie: updating packages from the daily repo) Nov 05 21:18:47 gah... unfun :P i shall try and find the message locally :) Nov 05 21:18:49 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2010-10/msg00236.html Nov 05 21:18:59 I cross posted.... no replies but ... Nov 05 21:20:26 since KDE uses the OBS generally I thought it'd make sense Nov 05 21:21:40 I spoke with our ocs devs (Henri) and we think something can be done to provide an OCS service that sits behind the OBS and dispatches OCS API calls Nov 05 21:24:48 Well... that is sort of what Bretzn does, just in a centralised manner, really... Nov 05 21:27:27 niala and auke, thanks for helping. :-) Nov 05 21:29:47 SeshuCL: pleased Nov 05 21:34:47 leinir: my suggestion was that an app in the meego community app store would provide *an* OCS api url.... and of course the meego 'garage' could provide one if you needed it (most meego only apps) Nov 05 21:35:20 I just hope we can have something that's loosely coupled Nov 05 21:35:54 pfff I do not understand anything about libmeegotouch Nov 05 21:35:55 *nods* the garage is supposed to speak OCS for upload of content... Nov 05 21:37:53 * smithna wonders how everyone else test (unless they all use Virtual Environments) Nov 05 21:41:34 oh that's new? http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/core/html/index.html Nov 05 21:43:38 nice, handy Nov 05 21:56:23 yessssssss Nov 05 21:56:43 meego 1.1 live does work. Nov 05 21:58:53 now to reboot, full install. never seen a # with so many people and so little text. perhaps you're all coding. Nov 05 21:59:55 actually I was scrubbing my bugzillas Nov 05 22:05:15 tv disturb Nov 05 22:21:57 * smithna wonders if he upset someone.... Nov 05 22:37:52 smithna, why Nov 05 22:38:53 Stskeeps: Think you might be lucid to help with that stuff tomorrow? :) Nov 05 22:43:57 lcuk: not sure... I think I'm asking a question (which i have a number of time) which should have some kind of answer. Nov 05 22:44:12 hrm what question Nov 05 22:44:19 and i might likely vanish myself in a few minutes Nov 05 22:44:23 Hi, I'm trying to figure out my install/testing stategy on the IVI version of meego. As been noted lots of times, there's no *approved* way to upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1 -- Is the same true between development builds (ie: updating packages from the daily repo) Nov 05 22:44:27 but i shall return if so :P Nov 05 22:44:40 * smithna makes sure to ask quickly :} Nov 05 22:44:49 smithna, there is some very rough upgrade instructions Nov 05 22:45:12 http://wiki.meego.com/Upgrading_MeeGo_Versions Nov 05 22:45:20 when I asked, it was said that they should be generic Nov 05 22:45:25 not sure how in specific UXes Nov 05 22:45:46 but you are right anyway, its all dev builds so seat of pants Nov 05 22:46:26 Since that is *unsupported* -- one would only report bugs vs a released version, correct? Nov 05 22:47:07 smithna, start by reading the instructions, combining it with your knowledge and what you can find, backup essentials, cross fingers, try it. report back and discuss and see where we can fix it Nov 05 22:47:43 you never know - it might work and not need any bug reports at all ! Nov 05 22:47:45 *shock* Nov 05 22:49:28 * smithna not given my luck Nov 05 22:50:01 smithna, :) Nov 05 22:50:06 * lcuk vanishes Nov 05 23:02:31 hi, is there any procedure to gain an account on the meego OBS? I have setup my own OBS, but I need to bootstrap my OBS and seems a lot easier if I have access to the meego OBS... Nov 05 23:02:51 leinir: i'm not sure what i'm agreeing to Nov 05 23:02:59 ddompe: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS Nov 05 23:03:48 Stskeeps: awesome! That page is new Nov 05 23:03:50 Stskeeps: Oh right, sorry - well, i need some information on which repositories are available on build. and build.pub., and which archs are in them :) Nov 05 23:03:54 I'm pretty sure I have grepped around Nov 05 23:07:05 leinir: both have atom and armv7, afaik, not sure about how up to date Nov 05 23:07:08 ddompe: yeah, it is Nov 05 23:07:12 Evening all Nov 05 23:07:14 ddompe: help improve the documentation Nov 05 23:07:20 Stskeeps: I will Nov 05 23:07:52 Stskeeps: Right... Those are the architectures, i'm guessing, what repositories are on there? :) Nov 05 23:08:51 depends on what they've imported Nov 05 23:08:56 what are you interested in? Nov 05 23:09:35 Any news if BroadCom are going to let their WiFi drivers ship with Meego Netbook images ? Nov 05 23:10:41 Well, i'm building the server side of project bretzn, which is supposed to push build jobs onto the various build services (in particular obs and the two meego build services), and for that to work, i need to know the names of these - i can find the information myself if i get a username for it, though, if that makes it easier :) Nov 05 23:11:29 ah Nov 05 23:11:38 well, the naming is up to the obs maintainer .. :P Nov 05 23:11:42 i expect this is not possible for build.pub. yet, but it'd probably be the easiest for build. :) Nov 05 23:23:38 * qgil revamped http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing - improvements welcome Nov 05 23:24:12 basically, I put upfront what we have and how to get involved Nov 05 23:24:32 the backlog has been merged with the Community Office backlog and the strategy has been put underneath Nov 06 00:14:41 * lcuk hopes the fireworks stop soon Nov 06 00:37:33 i saw earlier the meego character gen web app is taking shape, but i lost my link, can someone look back and find it Nov 06 00:37:48 marnanel posted it Nov 06 00:38:18 hmm... not in screen backlog, lessee... Nov 06 00:40:48 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1338&page=6 Nov 06 00:40:55 had to hunt for it a bit :) Nov 06 00:43:22 * araujo notices lcuk is still around .... Nov 06 00:43:39 figment of imagination :P Nov 06 00:43:53 called out to pick up luke and his mates so movies cancelled for tonight Nov 06 00:44:14 :/ Nov 06 00:45:25 araujo, what time of the year does your country do fireworks ? Nov 06 00:47:28 lcuk, you know.. today, they are doing ..... same there? o_0 Nov 06 00:48:04 araujo, its been like a warzone all night Nov 06 00:48:11 the explosions are getting bigger! Nov 06 00:48:19 leinir, thanks! Nov 06 00:48:33 that looks good, but really goes against meego.com principles :P Nov 06 00:48:36 You are most welcome :) Nov 06 00:48:37 its bloody closed source! Nov 06 00:49:21 it would be good when it comes to actually have it usable in the netbook image :) Nov 06 00:49:36 first community created actual usable content creating novelty! Nov 06 00:53:47 why is the new meegocom account listing http://twitter.com/Heaaatherkb as the first person its following? (it was me until a minute ago) that account there takes you to a dating site :P Nov 06 00:55:09 lcuk: because they don't know how attractive you are ? Nov 06 00:55:19 thats possible! Nov 06 00:56:07 * lcuk finds more alcohol Nov 06 01:15:24 MeeGo is following me on twitter. Nov 06 01:15:26 Creeper Nov 06 01:27:06 GAN900, when are you arriving in dublin Nov 06 02:32:16 hellooo0oo Meego fans Nov 06 02:32:55 is there a way to triple boot OSes on N900? Nitdroid+Meego+maemo? Nov 06 02:33:05 with 8gb sd Nov 06 02:35:56 why would it be different from double booting? Nov 06 02:36:57 sjokkis, guessing the instructions are geared around specific partition layouts etc Nov 06 02:37:05 just like maemo filesystem itself has things **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 06 02:59:57 2010