**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 09 02:59:57 2010
Nov 09 05:10:12 * hvenus install MeeGo on VMWare.
Nov 09 05:12:48 <Mat_Matan> hi
Nov 09 05:13:11 <pixelgeek> 'lo
Nov 09 05:13:43 <hvenus> he
Nov 09 05:16:53 <hvenus> i got a black screen when i input account infomation and click "next".
Nov 09 05:26:22 * ShadowJK spots the @carmanufacturer.tld emails :-)
Nov 09 06:29:31 <hvenus> could not run in vmware
Nov 09 08:09:50 <Myrtti> myyhhh
Nov 09 08:10:13 <Myrtti> I could've easily lived without this headache I had when I woke up
Nov 09 08:10:49 <iekku> Myrtti, I can easily imagine. Selfmade one or ?
Nov 09 08:25:51 <Myrtti> iekku: I had two Bulmers on Saturday in sauna, so I doubt it's hangover...
Nov 09 08:26:10 <Myrtti> atleast it's not gotten to a full blown migraine yet
Nov 09 08:26:53 <iekku> Myrtti, hope it doesn't go that far, migraine is something you don't hope for even your biggest enemy
Nov 09 08:28:22 <Myrtti> I have minor ones couple times every month... best way of avoiding big ones is to stay away from fresh celery
Nov 09 08:34:48 <Stskeeps> ~haveameegomeeting
Nov 09 08:34:49 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, haveameegomeeting is book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html
Nov 09 08:49:33 <Ganeshiva> hello world
Nov 09 08:50:29 <Ganeshiva> any1 here
Nov 09 08:50:41 <fretron> hi
Nov 09 08:51:42 <Ganeshiva> is meego available for nokia 5800
Nov 09 08:51:57 <Termana> No
Nov 09 08:52:20 <Ganeshiva> ya is it not possible
Nov 09 08:52:27 <Myrtti> it's not recommended for daily use for even phones that do support it
Nov 09 08:52:41 <Ganeshiva> why is so??
Nov 09 08:53:00 <fretron> meego is still at quite earle stage
Nov 09 08:53:08 <Termana> Because it's still in the oven
Nov 09 08:53:09 <Ganeshiva> what is the hardware requirement for meego
Nov 09 08:53:18 <Termana> You don't shout when you're baking something in the oven
Nov 09 08:53:21 <Termana> Otherwise it goes flat
Nov 09 08:54:08 <Myrtti> Ganeshiva: easiest phones to put it on are Nokia N900 and I suppose Aava dev device
Nov 09 08:54:15 <psycho_oreos> the hardware doesn't allow it Ganeshiva
Nov 09 08:54:32 <Ganeshiva> what is its hardware requirement for meego
Nov 09 08:54:33 <Myrtti> on N900 it doesn't support for example SIM PIN
Nov 09 08:54:37 <Termana> Myrtti, Aava isn't a reference device. Plus no consumers have it
Nov 09 08:54:39 <psycho_oreos> signed sis, poor hardware specs are the two major things as to why meego won't run on it
Nov 09 08:54:44 <Myrtti> Termana: "I suppose"
Nov 09 08:54:53 <Termana> isn't any longer* I should say
Nov 09 08:55:31 <Ganeshiva> what lang is used for the apps
Nov 09 08:55:40 <Termana> Ganeshiva, I want to give you an outright answer that no, meego does not and will never work on a Nokia 5800
Nov 09 08:55:50 <Termana> But then all the theoretical people will get up my arse again
Nov 09 08:55:50 <psycho_oreos> C, python, Qt, etc
Nov 09 08:55:56 <Termana> :p
Nov 09 08:56:40 <psycho_oreos> if meego worked on other nokia devices apart from NIT, I'm sure this channel will be flooded with symbian users who constantly keep their eye peeled out for meego support
Nov 09 08:57:43 <Ganeshiva> ya surely
Nov 09 08:57:44 <psycho_oreos> and very few NIT devices can support meego.. I think mainly n900.. so generally its a good idea for one to look and compare the specs of n900 versus some random symbian powered phone like 5800
Nov 09 08:58:20 <Termana> Ganeshiva, if you can do the following things you can get MeeGo to "run" (not very well) on a 5800: 1) be able to boot the phone from an SD card or w/e (be able to boot you're own OS on it), 2) port the linux kernel to it and 3) port meego to it, including having to recompile everything
Nov 09 08:58:28 <Myrtti> what I'm interested in though, is WHY you want MeeGo on the 5800?
Nov 09 08:58:45 <psycho_oreos> you won't be able to make that symbian boot linux kernel
Nov 09 08:58:52 <johnx> Myrtti, because they have a 5800 and are tired of symbian
Nov 09 08:59:18 <Myrtti> johnx: tsk, I was looking for their answer ;-)
Nov 09 08:59:24 <Ganeshiva> i have boot windows 3.1,95,98 already
Nov 09 08:59:39 <psycho_oreos> that's a different case
Nov 09 08:59:40 <Termana> *facepalm*
Nov 09 08:59:43 <Ganeshiva> It worked somewhat fine
Nov 09 08:59:47 <johnx> Ganeshiva, ah. emulators? then you should run qemu in win 95 and run meego on it
Nov 09 08:59:59 <psycho_oreos> lol
Nov 09 09:00:00 <Termana> johnx, lol
Nov 09 09:00:01 * johnx is the king of problem solving
Nov 09 09:00:17 <psycho_oreos> it'll be kpanic galore
Nov 09 09:00:30 <Ganeshiva> how to boot meego in windows 95
Nov 09 09:00:35 <johnx> in qemu
Nov 09 09:00:36 * Myrtti facepalms
Nov 09 09:00:37 <Stskeeps> now see what you did
Nov 09 09:00:38 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 09 09:00:40 <johnx> which is another layer of emulation
Nov 09 09:00:44 <Myrtti> Ganeshiva: "With Great Difficulty"
Nov 09 09:01:09 <Ganeshiva> however we shall try it
Nov 09 09:01:10 <johnx> Stskeeps, uhm, it's a socratic discussion. I'm leading him to enlightenment (or something)
Nov 09 09:01:14 <Termana> Oh god
Nov 09 09:01:14 <Myrtti> Ganeshiva: again, why do you want MeeGo on the 5800?
Nov 09 09:01:21 <mmc> Ganeshiva: how do you boot windows on 5800?
Nov 09 09:01:28 <Termana> johnx, make it quick! :p
Nov 09 09:01:36 <psycho_oreos> and with excessively excruciatingly amounts of pain
Nov 09 09:01:52 <Ganeshiva> if it works it would be awesome
Nov 09 09:01:56 <johnx> Ganeshiva, I was mostly kdding with you. running meego in emulation on a fast PC is slower than running it natively on the N900
Nov 09 09:02:02 <psycho_oreos> maybe you can start porting it Ganeshiva, afterall you're the one who has 5800 and wants meego ported to it
Nov 09 09:02:09 <Termana> kempman has the right idea
Nov 09 09:02:13 <Termana> /quit
Nov 09 09:02:15 <johnx> Ganeshiva, at this point meego handset works on the N900 and if you want it to work on other hardware you better roll up your sleeves and get hacking
Nov 09 09:02:18 <Termana> :p
Nov 09 09:02:29 <psycho_oreos> I'll eat my words if you could hack meego to run on symbian devices like yours
Nov 09 09:02:35 * Myrtti gives Ganeshiva an extra helping of coffee and patience
Nov 09 09:02:46 <Ganeshiva> is it possible to emulate MeeGO in Virtual machines
Nov 09 09:03:06 <psycho_oreos> the answer was mentioned above
Nov 09 09:03:40 <johnx> Ganeshiva, you'll need to compile qemu from source. do you have a linux desktop?
Nov 09 09:03:45 <Ganeshiva> ok i ll try it
Nov 09 09:03:55 * Myrtti facepalms repeatedly
Nov 09 09:04:09 <Ganeshiva> i have dual boot
Nov 09 09:04:12 <johnx> Ganeshiva, I think this is where to get started then: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu
Nov 09 09:04:33 <Termana> Myrtti, shall I ring the mental institution for johnx? :P
Nov 09 09:04:47 <psycho_oreos> and no virtual machines won't work without hardware emulation.. either that or you port the codes directly suited to your 5800's cpu arch.. which if I'm not mistaken would be something like ARM11
Nov 09 09:04:53 <johnx> Termana, they'll never put me back in alive!
Nov 09 09:06:30 <Ganeshiva> johnx it asks for product id??
Nov 09 09:06:36 <Myrtti> "it would be awesome" is the worst reason for selfinflicted pain I've heard of for a while
Nov 09 09:07:28 <johnx> Ganeshiva, ah sorry. that was the link for maemo on qemu
Nov 09 09:08:21 <johnx> Ganeshiva, looks like no one got meego handset working in qemu yet. how is your C?
Nov 09 09:09:10 * psycho_oreos shakes head repeatedly in dismay as the desperate user seems to be quite clueless how porting is supposed to happen with linux stuff
Nov 09 09:09:23 <psycho_oreos> clueless on how porting*
Nov 09 09:09:23 <Ganeshiva> how is your C? what do you mean??
Nov 09 09:09:24 <Myrtti> psycho_oreos: "MAGIC"
Nov 09 09:09:25 <Myrtti> no?
Nov 09 09:09:39 <Bostik> porting? isn't that a method of maturing wine? :)
Nov 09 09:09:41 <johnx> Ganeshiva, I mean, you're a programmer right?
Nov 09 09:09:43 <Termana> Wow. Just wow
Nov 09 09:09:44 <psycho_oreos> Myrtti, that's what they do at Apple :)
Nov 09 09:09:57 <Ganeshiva> ya know some basics
Nov 09 09:10:10 <johnx> how much experience do you have with kernel-level C?
Nov 09 09:10:13 <Myrtti> psycho_oreos: looks like that's needed here too
Nov 09 09:10:14 <Termana> Yeah, he knows some BASICs
Nov 09 09:10:23 <Myrtti> now now, don't be mean
Nov 09 09:10:26 <Ganeshiva> nothing i hope!
Nov 09 09:10:33 <Myrtti> lolwhat
Nov 09 09:10:49 <Termana> :P
Nov 09 09:10:51 <psycho_oreos> Myrtti, too bad it seems like someone has to invite Steve Jobs, maybe you can do it because you wanted MAGIC ;)
Nov 09 09:11:19 <Myrtti> psycho_oreos: let me wave my pink feathered shiny magic pen and pinch my eyes and mouth and make a wish
Nov 09 09:11:34 <Myrtti> nnnngngggghghg
Nov 09 09:11:36 <johnx> Ganeshiva, you will probably need to write a lot of C code at the kernel level to get MeeGo running on the 5800, or even to get it running in qemu
Nov 09 09:11:41 <Myrtti> sorry, E_NOCANDO
Nov 09 09:12:06 <Ganeshiva> oh, its nice i ll learn a lot by this
Nov 09 09:12:08 <psycho_oreos> boooo! that's not MAGIC!!! booooOOOOOOOOOooo!!1!!!!11!
Nov 09 09:12:09 <johnx> (and getting it running in qemu, won't really help get it running on the 5800. it was mostly a joke on my part. sorry if I wasn't clear)
Nov 09 09:12:27 <johnx> Ganeshiva, great. pick up a good book on C and start there
Nov 09 09:12:50 <Ganeshiva> titles please
Nov 09 09:13:14 <Ganeshiva> i ll be back in mins
Nov 09 09:13:18 <johnx> google: good books on C
Nov 09 09:13:36 <Termana> Start with "Computer Programming for Dummies"
Nov 09 09:13:41 <slaine> dear god, what are you doing to that poor chap
Nov 09 09:13:49 <iekku> oh my
Nov 09 09:13:49 <psycho_oreos> Ritchie & Kernighan - The C Programming Language (2 Ed)
Nov 09 09:13:51 <Bostik> K&R, linux kernel development 3rd ed. , ...
Nov 09 09:13:53 <Myrtti> Ganeshiva: anything from O'Reilly, if they've got "Head First" book on it, then that
Nov 09 09:14:21 <johnx> slaine, he wants to learn. who am I to stop him. if he has the motivation he'll learn. if not, he might at least understand the complexity
Nov 09 09:14:46 <johnx> if I wave my hands and tell him "it's too complicated" that won't do any good in the long run
Nov 09 09:15:13 <slaine> lol
Nov 09 09:15:17 <psycho_oreos> Ganeshiva, don't forget to also have a good look at the linux kernel source codes as well.. along with maemo's kernel patches for ARM specific instruction sets that you'll need to port if you want native version
Nov 09 09:15:45 <Myrtti> boo, now I want to watch Miyazaki films
Nov 09 09:15:46 <Myrtti> boo
Nov 09 09:15:55 <Myrtti> damned hostnames
Nov 09 09:15:57 <johnx> Myrtti, oooh. that sounds like fun.
Nov 09 09:16:07 <psycho_oreos> summer wars ftw ;)
Nov 09 09:16:23 <Myrtti> johnx: been a while since I've seen Nausicaa, 6 months atleast
Nov 09 09:16:43 <johnx> :D that's a long time to go without Nausicaa
Nov 09 09:17:00 <Myrtti> Totoro in on 3 month rotate
Nov 09 09:17:11 <Myrtti> s/in/is/
Nov 09 09:17:12 <infobot> Myrtti meant: Totoro is on 3 month rotate
Nov 09 09:17:13 <johnx> I honestly haven't seen totoro yet
Nov 09 09:17:19 <psycho_oreos> I have
Nov 09 09:17:27 <psycho_oreos> grave of the fireflies :)
Nov 09 09:17:43 <iekku> I call my boss Totoro
Nov 09 09:17:47 <Bostik> I probably have all of them
Nov 09 09:17:49 <psycho_oreos> now that would come as a rude shock after watching it
Nov 09 09:17:50 <Myrtti> I can't watch that unless it's a sunny nice day and can cuddle with the BF
Nov 09 09:18:02 <Myrtti> last time I watched it I had nightmares for 4 nights
Nov 09 09:18:12 <psycho_oreos> grave of the fireflies? heh
Nov 09 09:18:58 <Bostik> a friend once commented on that one with rather alarming accuracy
Nov 09 09:19:04 <Myrtti> psycho_oreos: I had just read a book about animal slaughters and saw nightmares of headless chicken running in burning Japanese villages
Nov 09 09:19:17 <johnx> psycho_oreos, some of us have emotions :)
Nov 09 09:19:31 <iekku> Myrtti, :D
Nov 09 09:19:32 <Bostik> "The comic content of watching Schindler's List while chewing glass, but without the helpful salty taste"
Nov 09 09:19:35 <johnx> Myrtti, and now you're a vegetarian?
Nov 09 09:20:24 <iekku> johnx, being a vegetarian doesn't need nightmares...
Nov 09 09:20:52 <iekku> oops, not going to talk about that in here
Nov 09 09:20:52 <Myrtti> johnx: I didn't eat chicken for 18 months. Reading the book was because I worked for the local animal rights group for couple of weeks
Nov 09 09:20:56 <Myrtti> anyway
Nov 09 09:20:59 <psycho_oreos> Myrtti, seen animal cruelty being recorded but hardly ever had any nightmares.. just constantly weird dreams that made no sense
Nov 09 09:21:31 <johnx> psycho_oreos, and the 'psycho' in your nick is totally unrelated, right?
Nov 09 09:21:59 <iekku> haha
Nov 09 09:22:07 <psycho_oreos> Bostik, I've been wanting to watch that Schindler's list again, I used to watch it but I never watched it properly because I was rather immature at the time of watching it with me oldies at home
Nov 09 09:22:16 <psycho_oreos> johnx, I'll let you to decide ;)
Nov 09 09:22:37 <Bostik> psycho_oreos: it's a great film, and it works marvelously in a dark cinema
Nov 09 09:22:39 <johnx> because sociopath_oreos was too long? or already taken?
Nov 09 09:23:07 <psycho_oreos> johnx, nah psycho was just better :) short and sweet to the point
Nov 09 09:23:35 <psycho_oreos> Bostik, yeh I watched it at home however but I guess I'll watch it again if I could still find that VCD
Nov 09 09:25:02 <johnx> VCD? awesome. I was halfway to buying a laserdisc player a year or so ago
Nov 09 09:25:47 <Ganeshiva> I am back now!!
Nov 09 09:25:51 <psycho_oreos> what you have laserdisks? :) I mean that's how long ago when I last saw it.. back when VCD were the craze in asia
Nov 09 09:26:46 <psycho_oreos> DVD were still pipeline dreams back then iirc
Nov 09 09:27:07 <johnx> Ganeshiva, read the backlog. there were some good books suggested
Nov 09 09:27:22 <johnx> psycho_oreos, I frequented a couple used electronics stores :)
Nov 09 09:27:25 <psycho_oreos> err pipe dreams*
Nov 09 09:27:34 <psycho_oreos> o.O
Nov 09 09:28:31 <psycho_oreos> lol I wonder if laserdisks were to ever be made Bluray, I wonder how many TB will it hold :D probably like at least 80TB
Nov 09 09:29:03 <johnx> what I loved were the sleeves the discs came in
Nov 09 09:29:06 <psycho_oreos> in theoretical terms.. and in reality terms maybe close to 5TB
Nov 09 09:29:29 <psycho_oreos> and the big cardboard boxes that reminds you of the vinyl days
Nov 09 09:29:38 <Bostik> incidentally I think that Grave of the Fireflies is one of the best cinematic productions ever, it's delivery format just happens to be an animation instead of live actors
Nov 09 09:29:54 <Ganeshiva> Kernighan_Ritchie_Language_C is nice I have read it once, I have missed few topic, i ll read it
Nov 09 09:30:03 <psycho_oreos> apparently it was later released as live actor based movie
Nov 09 09:30:43 * Myrtti thinks of bunnies and daisies and pink lollipops
Nov 09 09:30:45 <Mek> lbt: ping
Nov 09 09:30:52 <psycho_oreos> or at least live action based movie was based on that anime
Nov 09 09:31:03 <psycho_oreos> never seen it but would like to see it however
Nov 09 09:31:26 * psycho_oreos has a pink coloured background if that helps :)
Nov 09 09:31:52 <Ganeshiva> "<Bostik> K&R, linux kernel development 3rd ed. , ..." what is the author name
Nov 09 09:32:01 <psycho_oreos> pink with black theme, anime image as wallpaper
Nov 09 09:32:57 <Ganeshiva> ya i got it Kochan & Wood , is it Right
Nov 09 09:34:17 <johnx> Ganeshiva, nah. that's "unix shell programming" that's pretty different :)
Nov 09 09:34:27 <Ganeshiva> Y is everyone  INactive Suddenly!!
Nov 09 09:34:28 <johnx> I think it's this: http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Kernel-Development-Robert-Love/dp/0672329468
Nov 09 09:34:46 <johnx> Ganeshiva, patience
Nov 09 09:41:14 <Ganeshiva> was i Disconnected before??
Nov 09 09:41:51 <psycho_oreos> you pinged out
Nov 09 09:42:02 <Ganeshiva> at
Nov 09 09:42:33 <psycho_oreos> almost 5 minutes ago
Nov 09 09:43:02 <Ganeshiva> ok browser crash
Nov 09 09:43:33 <Ganeshiva> what was my last post before "was i Disconnected before??"
Nov 09 09:43:50 <Mek> hmm, http://dev.meego.com/community/mailing-lists asks for a username/password
Nov 09 09:43:50 <psycho_oreos> <Ganeshiva> Y is everyone  INactive Suddenly!!
Nov 09 09:44:15 <Stskeeps> Mek: lists.meego.com if you don't want to attach it with user
Nov 09 09:44:26 <Ganeshiva> ok ok, after that i was speaking to myself for some time
Nov 09 09:44:45 <Ganeshiva> it was a browser prob
Nov 09 09:45:02 <Mek> Stskeeps: then the link on http://meego.com/developers/getting-started should maybe be fixed?
Nov 09 09:45:08 <psycho_oreos> <johnx> Ganeshiva, patience <--- last said to you before you pinged out.. no additional messages for you
Nov 09 09:45:14 <Stskeeps> Mek: well, possibly
Nov 09 09:45:18 <Stskeeps> Mek: file a bug please
Nov 09 09:45:48 <Ganeshiva> what a pitty!!
Nov 09 09:48:22 <Ganeshiva> lots of people
Nov 09 09:48:26 <Ganeshiva> iN
Nov 09 09:51:10 <Myrtti> psycho_oreos: you asked for it, clearly... http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5160991016/
Nov 09 09:56:17 <psycho_oreos> Myrtti, I actually meant my desktop: http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1038/mineax.png
Nov 09 09:57:34 <lorp> hi guys
Nov 09 09:57:43 <lorp> s
Nov 09 09:58:06 <Myrtti> psycho_oreos: and I showed you mine ;-)
Nov 09 09:58:13 <johnx> psycho_oreos, please tell me that's gkrellm?
Nov 09 09:58:23 <lorp> I would like to play with qt quick on meego
Nov 09 09:58:44 <psycho_oreos> johnx, on the left yes
Nov 09 09:58:58 <lorp> is the best approach to use the meego sdk + qt-creator + chroot?
Nov 09 09:59:01 <psycho_oreos> Myrtti, slight misunderstanding but I guess we're even heh
Nov 09 09:59:14 <lorp> my target is meego on n900
Nov 09 10:05:47 <Ganeshiva> i ll be back soon
Nov 09 10:06:03 <lbt> Mek: or here
Nov 09 10:06:27 <Mek> lbt: I was told by various people to contact you for access to the meego OBS
Nov 09 10:07:10 <lcuk> lbt, add me also if you would be so kind :)
Nov 09 10:07:53 <lbt> Mek: community one
Nov 09 10:08:56 <lbt> I need meego username
Nov 09 10:09:23 <lbt> lcuk: done
Nov 09 10:09:38 <fcrozat> Stskeeps: thanks for the hint for the back cover for 1.1 on n900 yesterday, I've enhanced the wiki about it
Nov 09 10:09:42 <Mek> lbt: mkruisselbrink
Nov 09 10:10:17 <lcuk> \o/ ta lbt
Nov 09 10:10:27 <lorp> lbt: any chance you can add me as well? meego username: lorenzopolidori
Nov 09 10:11:11 <lbt> all done... try
Nov 09 10:11:51 <Mek> how do I try?
Nov 09 10:11:57 <lorp> thanks lbt
Nov 09 10:12:45 <lorp> lbt: could you give us the wiki page with the instructions on how to use the community OBS?
Nov 09 10:13:06 <lorp> I remember there was one under construction...
Nov 09 10:13:28 <Mek> http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder ? that doesn't seem to even include a hostname...
Nov 09 10:14:25 <lbt> lorp: it's a wiki.... ;)  a *community* wiki.... you have a *community* account ....
Nov 09 10:14:27 <lorp> Mek: yes it was that one
Nov 09 10:14:36 * lbt wonders if he's subtle enough
Nov 09 10:15:59 <lcuk> lbt, build.meego.com obs is not giving access to view status etc
Nov 09 10:16:02 <lcuk> :(
Nov 09 10:16:06 <Mek> lbt: so where do I access the community obs instance?
Nov 09 10:16:09 <lorp> lbt: you mean rool up your sleeves? ;)
Nov 09 10:16:17 <Mek> the wiki seems to be missing that basic bit of information...
Nov 09 10:17:01 <lorp> it was this what I meant, just a little info would help to start...
Nov 09 10:17:09 <lbt> at the moment... cbuild.meego.com... soon build.pub.meego.com
Nov 09 10:17:11 <lbt> https
Nov 09 10:19:10 <Mek> lbt: and username&password should be the same as on meego.com? as I get authentication failed...
Nov 09 10:19:49 <lbt> how long ago did you create your meego account (or change the password)
Nov 09 10:20:02 <Mek> a long time ago...
Nov 09 10:20:19 <lbt> OK (we don't sync yet... blame mrshaver)
Nov 09 10:20:48 <lcuk> on cbuild i can login
Nov 09 10:20:55 <lcuk> lbt, should i go via other path for build.
Nov 09 10:21:08 <lbt> yes
Nov 09 10:21:46 <Mek> lbt: hmm, actually on meego.com I can only login with my email address, not my username either...
Nov 09 10:21:58 <lbt> ah... OK ...
Nov 09 10:22:23 <lcuk> \o ok lbt, ta on both counts
Nov 09 10:22:43 <lbt> lorp: can you login
Nov 09 10:23:39 <lorp> I can't using my meego account...
Nov 09 10:23:47 <lbt> grumble
Nov 09 10:26:56 <lorp> on meego.com I can login, but I can't on cbuild.meego.com....
Nov 09 10:27:08 <lorp> same user and password
Nov 09 10:27:53 * Mek can login on meego.com with e-mail address and password, but not username and password; and can't login at all on cbuild.meego.com
Nov 09 10:32:55 * lbt scratches his head.... thousands of users and you two don't exist...
Nov 09 10:36:02 <lbt> Mek, lorp go to meego.com http://meego.com/users/me and click edit... then, in the url what's the number
Nov 09 10:36:42 <Mek> lbt: 16052
Nov 09 10:37:28 <lbt> go away you don't exist
Nov 09 10:37:30 <lbt> :D
Nov 09 10:37:35 <Mek> lol
Nov 09 10:37:50 * lcuk giggles
Nov 09 10:38:37 <Myrtti> I'm apparently 404 (Page Not Found)
Nov 09 10:38:46 <lorp> lbt: 16572
Nov 09 10:39:49 <lbt> you are too new
Nov 09 10:39:57 <lbt> seriously... your accounts are old?
Nov 09 10:40:04 <lorp> Myrtti: instead of me put your username
Nov 09 10:40:13 <Myrtti> lorp: no kidding.
Nov 09 10:40:16 <Myrtti> (just teasing)
Nov 09 10:40:18 <lorp> my account is quite new
Nov 09 10:40:34 <lbt> ah, http://meego.com/user/me ... sorry
Nov 09 10:40:36 <lbt> no s
Nov 09 10:40:39 <Mek> not sure how old my account is...
Nov 09 10:40:42 <X-Fade> lorp: We have a 60 day quarantine ;)
Nov 09 10:41:04 <lbt> 21st October
Nov 09 10:41:11 <Mek> ah, no, my account isn't old, sorry
Nov 09 10:41:11 <lbt> was the cutoff
Nov 09 10:41:17 <Mek> I created it after that date indeed
Nov 09 10:41:20 <lorp> ok to kick off the new comers?
Nov 09 10:41:27 <Aard> lbt: just tried, can't login on cbuild either :)
Nov 09 10:41:31 <lbt> no... 'cos mrshaver needs a kicking ;)
Nov 09 10:41:38 <X-Fade> lorp: Just kidding.
Nov 09 10:41:42 <lbt> Aard: did you bribe me yet?
Nov 09 10:41:54 <X-Fade> It is just because we don't get automatic updates of the user base yet.
Nov 09 10:42:01 <Aard> do I have to?
Nov 09 10:42:03 <lbt> Mek, lorp... I suggest you complain to the user mailing list
Nov 09 10:42:06 <lbt> Aard: oh yes
Nov 09 10:42:11 <lbt> beg!!
Nov 09 10:42:16 <lbt> bwahahahaa
Nov 09 10:42:32 <X-Fade> Or offer lbt beers at the conference. Beer credit that is.
Nov 09 10:42:40 <Aard> I'm allowing you to go shopping without spending your money :p
Nov 09 10:42:41 <lbt> (cider)
Nov 09 10:42:43 <lcuk> lbt - mine let me in? did i already have an account setup?
Nov 09 10:42:51 <lbt> lcuk: maybe
Nov 09 10:42:51 <X-Fade> Ehm yeah, cider..
Nov 09 10:42:57 * lcuk mustv offered cider in the past
Nov 09 10:42:59 <lbt> Aard: meego.com account ?
Nov 09 10:43:04 <lorp> guinness cider
Nov 09 10:43:04 <Stskeeps> i take liquorice as bribes
Nov 09 10:43:10 <Aard> lbt: aard
Nov 09 10:43:20 <lbt> try
Nov 09 10:43:29 <lcuk> Stskeeps, laces or ribbons?
Nov 09 10:43:34 <Aard> \o/
Nov 09 10:43:50 <X-Fade> I have to warn that I just imported a new 'current' so builds will take a while to be scheduled.
Nov 09 10:44:15 <Stskeeps> lcuk: anything
Nov 09 10:44:17 <Mek> so, since I created my account after october 21st, I can't get access? or what should I do?
Nov 09 10:44:26 <lbt> Mek, lorp ... I was serious about the mailing list complaint thing... we've been bugging them for *months* to write a 30 minute sqldump|ssh cronjob
Nov 09 10:44:36 <lcuk> lol Stskeeps :) shall keep eyes out
Nov 09 10:44:42 <lbt> I'm am totally pissed about it
Nov 09 10:45:30 <lorp> which mailing list? which one exactly?
Nov 09 10:45:44 <lbt> mmm community
Nov 09 10:46:05 <lbt> but you need to subscribe... and ... ask in a positive way :)
Nov 09 10:46:25 <lbt> now... real work .... l8r
Nov 09 10:46:36 <lorp> ok
Nov 09 10:48:20 <Myrtti> Stskeeps: salmiakki, red or normal?
Nov 09 10:49:13 <Stskeeps> Myrtti: well, i shift between strong liqourice and sweet-like liquorice. can only get sweet-like liquorice here in poland :P
Nov 09 10:52:12 <Myrtti> I like you :-)
Nov 09 10:52:22 <timakima> have to say, i misread that line as "liquor" at least two times :)
Nov 09 10:52:31 <Stskeeps> timakima: liquor works for bribes too
Nov 09 10:54:22 <pexi> any1 going to the meego wrt workshop?
Nov 09 10:55:16 <Myrtti> tom yum gai for lunch
Nov 09 10:55:17 <Myrtti> omnomnom
Nov 09 11:42:29 <thresh> hi
Nov 09 11:42:39 <thresh> anyone tried booting meego on his/her n900?
Nov 09 11:42:56 <thresh> I can see the kernel booting fine, but after that only a black screen with backlight :-)
Nov 09 11:43:06 <thresh> oh here it is, took 5 minutes to boot :)
Nov 09 11:48:26 <stylesen> Is there a place where we can get all tar.gz files inside the distfiles directory to setup dev environment for madde
Nov 09 11:52:27 <stylesen> the README says "Location of these files is discussed elsewhere" for the distfiles
Nov 09 11:52:34 <stylesen> can someone explain where to get it?
Nov 09 11:52:47 <thresh> yeah well I thought meego will run faster on n900 :D
Nov 09 11:53:07 <Stskeeps> thresh: it will, once we get the new gfx drivers in and actually try to optimize :)
Nov 09 11:53:58 <thresh> Stskeeps: good luck!
Nov 09 11:54:33 <Stskeeps> thresh: saw thp's video of the new drivers?
Nov 09 11:54:58 <Stskeeps> thresh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U&feature=player_embedded
Nov 09 11:55:08 <thresh> nope, will look now
Nov 09 11:55:22 <thresh> oh yeah I did :)
Nov 09 11:55:26 <thresh> looks waaay better :)
Nov 09 11:55:30 <Stskeeps> yeah
Nov 09 11:55:39 <Stskeeps> the problem was that for 1.1, these drivers were still unstable
Nov 09 11:55:49 <thresh> oh I see, i've been using 1.1.80
Nov 09 11:55:58 <Stskeeps> we found the cause but it is caused by a change in xorg, so we need to fix our driver itself
Nov 09 12:00:33 <vilvo> meego-qa-tools weekly meeting in 5mins at #meego-meeting. welcome!
Nov 09 12:02:14 <kt_> Hi, I realize this is quite off-topic but I have a small very simple Qt question: When I have made a GUI using the Qt designer how do i then get pointers to the GUI objects such as check-boxes? I only know the names of the control objects, for instance checkBox_3
Nov 09 12:04:06 <andre> kt_: -> #qt ?
Nov 09 12:12:03 <kt_> andre, there is not much activity at qt right now it seems
Nov 09 12:14:25 <andre> kt_: the identifier will be the same. i.e. checkBox_3. a good opportunity to use sensible names ;-}
Nov 09 12:18:11 <kt_> andre, thank you for you answer but I did not fully understand it. I am thinking that I need to do something like this: QCheckBox * pCB = somefunction("checkBox_3");
Nov 09 12:18:12 <kt_>         pCB->setEnabled(false);
Nov 09 12:19:44 <andre> kt_: no, this already exists in the ui structure, so it's something lie QCheckBox *checkBox = whereYourUiIs->checkBox_3.
Nov 09 12:20:03 <andre> or even   whereYourUiIs->checkBox_3->setEnabled(false)
Nov 09 12:23:43 <kt_> andre, thank you, i just had to figure out that I should use the Ui::MainWindow *ui instead of "this"
Nov 09 12:26:02 <stylesen> where can I download xtar version 1.9 ?
Nov 09 12:32:39 <andre> kt_: -> #qt, and yes, 'ui' whould then probably be 'whereYourUiIs'
Nov 09 12:45:14 <misterioz> hi everyone
Nov 09 12:45:59 <misterioz> I have msi netbook with Intel wireless chipset
Nov 09 12:46:34 <misterioz> I have no wireless connection although the module iwlagn is loaded
Nov 09 12:46:48 <CosmoHill> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1023178468.png :D
Nov 09 12:46:54 <misterioz> does anyone have this problem
Nov 09 12:46:57 <misterioz> ?
Nov 09 13:00:03 <misterioz> anyone?
Nov 09 13:01:14 <fretron> maybe
Nov 09 13:01:18 <CosmoHill> is your wifi card supported by meego?
Nov 09 13:02:11 <misterioz> it's supported by the kernel, don't know bout meego
Nov 09 13:02:48 <CosmoHill> it should be supported then
Nov 09 13:05:02 <misterioz> in Networks I have only wired network
Nov 09 13:05:44 <CosmoHill> i think there is a switch somewhere to enable wifi
Nov 09 13:06:43 <tobis87> Stskeeps: Hi, Aes hardware driver does not crash the device anymore after applying this patch : http://pastebin.com/PMt2j1Hs
Nov 09 13:07:04 <Stskeeps> ok
Nov 09 13:07:40 <tobis87> I don't know if these patches do apply against 2.6.35, http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=128231189301197&w=2 http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=128231189601206&w=2
Nov 09 13:08:30 <misterioz> CosmoHill: ok, I removed the module and tried modprobe again and the dmesg
Nov 09 13:08:43 <tobis87> But here is my latest full version of the driver as standalone: http://pastebin.com/nctZFLSQ
Nov 09 13:09:02 <misterioz> I'm getting request for firmware file 'iwwifi-6050-4.ucode failed.
Nov 09 13:11:10 <misterioz> ok so I need a firmware, I'll download the firmware and test it and update you how everything went
Nov 09 13:17:08 <misterioz> CosmoHill: ok, I can confirm that the wifi is now working
Nov 09 13:17:14 <CosmoHill> yay
Nov 09 13:19:18 <misterioz> I downloaded the firmware from intellinuxwireless.org and put the firmware in /lib/firmware and that was it
Nov 09 13:19:37 <psycho_oreos> you meant the microcode
Nov 09 13:20:07 <misterioz> psycho_oreos: yes
Nov 09 13:21:07 <pupnik> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Google-Android-OS-x86-Atom,10733.html  Intel Porting Android for x86 Notebooks, Tablets
Nov 09 13:23:33 <jarkkom> didn't Aava already do port of android 2.1 to atom?
Nov 09 13:23:53 <CosmoHill> the Aava does run Android
Nov 09 14:23:15 <shargir> lastlog
Nov 09 14:23:24 <shargir> menu
Nov 09 14:23:41 <Myrtti> fail
Nov 09 14:56:01 <pupnik> < seedeeoh> We're all soon to be multi-millionaires.  Unfortunately.
Nov 09 15:15:08 <majeru> hi, is libmeegotouch supported/included in meego 1.1?
Nov 09 15:15:20 <thiago> no/yes
Nov 09 15:15:48 <majeru> ok, so we should avoid it in new applications, right?
Nov 09 15:15:54 <thiago> correct
Nov 09 15:15:58 <majeru> and stick to plain qt
Nov 09 15:16:02 <majeru> ok, thanks thiago
Nov 09 15:16:06 <thiago> qt quick
Nov 09 15:16:44 <majeru> this app is not meant to look fancy, I think qwidget will do
Nov 09 15:16:50 <thiago> not really
Nov 09 15:16:52 <thiago> use qt quick
Nov 09 15:17:05 <majeru> :)
Nov 09 15:17:23 <Stskeeps> vilvo: got a good bugzilla location for that FEA#?
Nov 09 15:18:02 <vilvo> Development Tools -> meego-qa-reports
Nov 09 15:18:11 <Stskeeps> thanks
Nov 09 15:18:36 <lcuk> thiago, is qt quick supported on all platforms that native qt is?
Nov 09 15:18:43 <thiago> yes
Nov 09 15:19:35 <majeru> thiago: the thing this is an already implemented/work in progress application written using meegotouch
Nov 09 15:19:38 <lcuk> does it follow the native style correctly?
Nov 09 15:19:43 <thiago> it's just JavaScript + Graphics View
Nov 09 15:19:45 <lcuk> like using windows widgets and stuff
Nov 09 15:20:04 <thiago> majeru: then continue, but note that it won't be MeeGo compliant. You may need to rewrite it later.
Nov 09 15:20:06 <majeru> thiago: so porting it to plain qt would be easier than to qml
Nov 09 15:20:23 <lcuk> "libmeegotouch" != meego compliant.  hmm
Nov 09 15:20:40 <lcuk> something about that sounds wrong
Nov 09 15:20:54 <Stskeeps> welcome to new developer strategies..
Nov 09 15:20:54 <lcuk> can't quite put my finger on it
Nov 09 15:20:57 <thiago> why? it's just like connman
Nov 09 15:20:58 <Aard> lcuk: it's a more recent development.
Nov 09 15:21:07 <thiago> it's a middleware, something for the platform to use and share code
Nov 09 15:21:12 <thiago> like X too
Nov 09 15:21:19 <thiago> apps shouldn't be using it directly
Nov 09 15:21:54 <Stskeeps> vilvo: bug 9827
Nov 09 15:21:57 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9827 enh, Undecided, ---, ville.p.ilvonen, NEW, Include links to testcase in report results
Nov 09 15:22:50 <lcuk> Aard, wheres the documentation then
Nov 09 15:27:55 <Myrtti> classy quit message
Nov 09 15:51:31 <vilvo> Stskeeps: thanks, we'll look after that bug 9827
Nov 09 15:51:31 <Mat_Matan> hi
Nov 09 15:51:33 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9827 enh, Undecided, ---, ville.p.ilvonen, NEW, Include links to testcase in report results
Nov 09 15:53:00 <Myrtti> mmmm hot mint chocolate
Nov 09 16:05:15 <pupnik> Android Mythbusters! http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/11/04/#20091104-android_mythbusters  Excellent slide presentation including what is missing (from a linux perspective) from android OS
Nov 09 16:05:34 <Stskeeps> pupnik: yes, that's ancient
Nov 09 16:05:41 <pupnik> mhm
Nov 09 16:06:05 <pupnik> but 'meegons' might want to skim it for an overview
Nov 09 16:06:18 <pupnik> if they don't know it yet, hence the post
Nov 09 16:33:48 <qgil> Dear #meego fellows: those of you going to the MeeGo Conference, would you mind volunteering a couple of hours connecting this IRC room with the Dublin events? Add yourselves to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Volunteering
Nov 09 16:33:51 <qgil> thanks!
Nov 09 16:35:44 <Stskeeps> ah, i was wondering about if it was here that would be mentioned on the live streams :)
Nov 09 16:37:14 <Stskeeps> "if you have a N900 along, you can do this job" ;)
Nov 09 16:39:44 <dneary> DawnFoster, "Category:Die die die" would have been better :(
Nov 09 16:40:40 <andre__> or "DeleteMe"
Nov 09 16:40:47 <DawnFoster> dneary: that would have been more fun :)
Nov 09 16:41:10 <borco> hi
Nov 09 16:41:43 <dneary> DawnFoster, Not to late to change...
Nov 09 16:41:59 <dneary> andre__, Ideally it should follow wiki naming conventions.
Nov 09 16:42:16 <dneary> "Category:Delete me"
Nov 09 16:42:18 <andre__> dneary, which are documented at...?
Nov 09 16:42:29 <dneary> andre__, Wiki contribution guidelines
Nov 09 16:43:06 <andre__> ah. thanks
Nov 09 16:43:16 <dneary> Which I would like to have linked from every edit (like I did for the Maemo wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Dneary#.22Edit_help.22_extension)
Nov 09 16:44:09 <dneary> andre__, Although, the wiki contribution guidelines page seems to be overstating the "how to edit a wiki page" and understating the "how to do it right" bits nowadays
Nov 09 16:44:25 <dneary> I'd like to see the "Style" section get moved to the top
Nov 09 16:44:31 <andre__> I agree
Nov 09 16:45:54 <dneary> Esp. since "Help:Editing" works now
Nov 09 16:46:07 <dneary> DawnFoster, Had you noticed that I imported the wiki help files?
Nov 09 16:46:21 <DawnFoster> dneary: I have a hard time with that page because it merges guidelines, how to and style in a single page
Nov 09 16:46:29 <DawnFoster> I wanted the guidelines at the top
Nov 09 16:46:34 <dneary> Yes
Nov 09 16:46:38 <DawnFoster> to be consistent with all of the other guidelines
Nov 09 16:46:48 <dneary> I just moved them before the "how to" section :)
Nov 09 16:46:53 <DawnFoster> feel free to reorganize - I just don't have time to think about it
Nov 09 16:46:59 <DawnFoster> cool, thanks
Nov 09 16:47:00 <dneary> Nor do I, really
Nov 09 16:47:10 <DawnFoster> I did notice you imported the help, thank you very much!
Nov 09 16:48:57 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: i assume you're going to be fairly busy during the conference, should i coordinate getting ops and such for the people volunteering to moderate here while there's live streams?
Nov 09 16:49:11 <DawnFoster> yes, please!
Nov 09 16:49:13 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 09 16:49:17 <DawnFoster> that would be a huge help
Nov 09 16:49:57 <Stskeeps> i can't promise to be attentive enough on irc so i'd rather coordinate than moderate :P
Nov 09 17:03:39 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: the QA guys agreed to set up an IRC channel for their work today, so i set the usual settings on #meego-qa for them
Nov 09 17:03:55 <Stskeeps> (logging, you added with founder access, etc)
Nov 09 17:04:08 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: perfect, thank you!
Nov 09 17:04:42 <Stskeeps> and now on to wash some mushrooms..
Nov 09 17:04:43 <Stskeeps> brb
Nov 09 17:06:19 <dneary> DawnFoster, You might also want to outline your volunteer needs for the unconference
Nov 09 17:06:45 <dneary> Stskeeps, You know about #meego-qa-tools already?
Nov 09 17:12:30 <timakima> dneary: #meego-qa-tools is about test tools development, i guess #meego-qa is more generally about meego quality
Nov 09 17:20:15 <Stskeeps> dneary: yes, it was stated in meeting (check minutes/logs) they wanted to keep that seperate
Nov 09 17:22:48 <lbt> dneary: I am really disappointed at the way meego people hide in dark corners :)
Nov 09 17:23:06 <CosmoHill> but I like my corner
Nov 09 17:23:20 <lbt> exception/rule
Nov 09 17:23:25 * lbt ducks
Nov 09 17:23:27 <CosmoHill> seriously tho, there are some people we only ever see in meetings
Nov 09 17:23:57 <lbt> they hang out in irc in rooms with 10 people and claim to be "working in the open"
Nov 09 17:24:03 <lbt> yeah... :)
Nov 09 17:24:31 <lbt> anyhow... I've given up on that one
Nov 09 17:24:44 <CosmoHill> to me, "working in the open" means working on a laptop in the middle of a park
Nov 09 17:25:13 <Stskeeps> CosmoHill: i've worked at some point in the middle of a big grass field with my n900 in my hand
Nov 09 17:25:15 <CosmoHill> lbt: you'd like little updates on how things are going
Nov 09 17:25:17 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 09 17:25:43 <Stskeeps> lbt: i'm starting to realize that i can't keep tabs on everything, but we do need a 'memo' culture
Nov 09 17:25:48 <dneary> latelate
Nov 09 17:25:59 <dneary> lbt, Which dark corners?
Nov 09 17:25:59 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: were you tweeting "hey, the grass really is greener over here"
Nov 09 17:26:20 <dneary> lbt, I would like this to be the channel where everyone joins, forgets about it, but is pingable
Nov 09 17:26:24 <lbt> #meego-packaging springs to mind
Nov 09 17:26:32 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: maybe people can add things to the memo throughout the day and it gets issued once a week / day
Nov 09 17:26:51 <dneary> That way when someone goes  "qgil: ping?"
Nov 09 17:26:51 <leinir> dneary: basically yeah, that's how i view this channel too...
Nov 09 17:26:59 <CosmoHill> dneary: like a switchboard of channels
Nov 09 17:27:00 * leinir would love to see that on people's employment contracts :P
Nov 09 17:27:06 <dneary> They will get a nitification, and know people are looking for them
Nov 09 17:27:18 <dneary> Even if they aren't available right away & don't ping back for hours
Nov 09 17:27:23 <lbt> yeah...
Nov 09 17:27:30 <dneary> qgil, Don't worry - I'm not looking for you, really :)
Nov 09 17:27:38 <lbt> rofl
Nov 09 17:27:42 <leinir> No requirement to actively take part in every discussion on whatever random crap happens here, but to actually be in here
Nov 09 17:27:55 <dneary> Anyway, late, gone. Buy!
Nov 09 17:27:57 <CosmoHill> my tab goes red if my name is set off and the message also pops up in the corner :)
Nov 09 17:28:04 <Kaadlajk> having huge channel with people not related to your dark corner would not be good either :)
Nov 09 17:28:14 <lbt> no... but I'd like there to be less places
Nov 09 17:28:20 <dneary> I think we should grass-roots create the "Category:Die die die" category for pages to be deleted
Nov 09 17:28:31 <CosmoHill> there was someone this morning who came in and said "damn this channel is bigger than I thought' and left
Nov 09 17:28:37 <dneary> lbt, Yeah, I said the same when we started (and so did DawnFoster)
Nov 09 17:28:53 <lbt> dneary: well, mea culpa
Nov 09 17:28:56 <dneary> CosmoHill, It's also a bit chattier than I'd like for it to be useful
Nov 09 17:29:02 <Stskeeps> it had the opposite effect of less people working in the open though, but we had this discussion efore..
Nov 09 17:29:02 <lbt> I wanted to start lots of liitle chans
Nov 09 17:29:15 <lbt> this chan is not-for-work
Nov 09 17:29:20 <lbt> it's the coffee area
Nov 09 17:29:30 <dneary> Stskeeps, You need a middle ground
Nov 09 17:29:43 <DawnFoster> lbt: we've started a few more channels: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_communication
Nov 09 17:29:50 <lbt> I'd almost prefer less chans but unfocused
Nov 09 17:29:58 <CosmoHill> lbt: see I'm the opposite
Nov 09 17:30:00 <dneary> A place where people can come to work, where it's quiet, and another place where everyone knows where they are, but they ignore it mostly
Nov 09 17:30:03 <lbt> so "this is noisy -> #meego-work1"
Nov 09 17:30:04 <CosmoHill> I like the one channel where it all happens
Nov 09 17:30:07 <DawnFoster> the reality was that without them people we just creating them privately and keeping them secret
Nov 09 17:30:10 <dneary> Like twitter vs a blog
Nov 09 17:30:18 <DawnFoster> at least this way we have a little more visibility
Nov 09 17:30:18 <CosmoHill> then again Im used to smaller channels
Nov 09 17:30:45 <lbt> DawnFoster: I notice meego-packaging isn't on there
Nov 09 17:31:10 <Stskeeps> well, not registered either
Nov 09 17:31:16 * Stskeeps makes mental note to talk to a staffer
Nov 09 17:31:25 <lbt> I *do* understand it though ... my team stays on jabber
Nov 09 17:31:42 <Stskeeps> we closed the meego-arm jabber forcibly
Nov 09 17:31:42 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 09 17:31:54 <lcuk> strong arm tactics?
Nov 09 17:31:59 <lbt> groan
Nov 09 17:32:07 <lbt> I really need to kick them harder but we have internal work too which kinda has to be there
Nov 09 17:32:11 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Nov 09 17:32:17 <Stskeeps> the half-way public things are difficult
Nov 09 17:32:27 <lbt> <cough> harmattan email
Nov 09 17:33:04 <CosmoHill> facebook has moved to jabber
Nov 09 17:33:30 <iekku> didn't get that working
Nov 09 17:33:41 <Stskeeps> lbt: i wonder how many in IT had a heartattack over that one
Nov 09 17:34:02 <lbt> <grin>
Nov 09 17:34:33 <timakima> do people in IT management generally have a heart? :)
Nov 09 17:34:46 <CosmoHill> you're thinking of customer support
Nov 09 17:47:24 <lcuk> hey Noobmonk3y \o
Nov 09 17:47:39 <Noobmonk3y> hey lcuky!
Nov 09 17:47:50 <Noobmonk3y> 4 days, still no qtmobility working :(
Nov 09 17:50:51 <Noobmonk3y> what i dont get, is no one else seems to have the same problem :|
Nov 09 17:51:30 <lcuk> hm Noobmonk3y what is up
Nov 09 17:52:28 <Noobmonk3y> same problem, whenever i add qtmobility lines it gives me the yellow squiggles (iin this case file not found) - http://www.screencast.com/users/noobmonkey/folders/Jing/media/fbf202a8-dc73-4dc4-ac80-bbe4a8f684f9
Nov 09 17:52:41 <Noobmonk3y> i've tried everything that google will throw at me
Nov 09 17:52:47 <Noobmonk3y> just doesnt seem to like qtmobility
Nov 09 17:52:52 <lcuk> hm
Nov 09 17:52:55 <Noobmonk3y> even a fresh project from QT ....
Nov 09 17:53:20 <Noobmonk3y> have tried 3rd party fixes like this -> http://qt-mobility.blogspot.com/2010/01/installing-qt-mobility-on-windows-7.html
Nov 09 17:53:33 <Noobmonk3y> even though it's old :P
Nov 09 17:53:42 <Noobmonk3y> have uninstalled all - reinstalled started again, nothing
Nov 09 17:56:45 <lcuk> Noobmonk3y, which sdk are you installing from
Nov 09 17:57:09 <Noobmonk3y> Nokia QT SDK
Nov 09 17:57:31 <lcuk> version
Nov 09 17:57:41 <lcuk> infact, url where you just regot the latest
Nov 09 17:57:42 <Noobmonk3y> 2.01
Nov 09 17:58:04 <Noobmonk3y> http://qt.nokia.com/downloads
Nov 09 17:58:18 <Noobmonk3y> http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/
Nov 09 17:58:22 <Noobmonk3y> tried both lol
Nov 09 19:11:03 <corecode> aloahe
Nov 09 19:17:23 <Navegador> Hi
Nov 09 19:18:07 <corecode> if i flash the meego kernel on my n900, will i be able to use maemo still?
Nov 09 19:18:15 <Stskeeps> don't flash, just load
Nov 09 19:18:19 <Navegador> Just logged in to get some info on running Meego on a GMA500 netbook, just read the wiki and vgrade's comments. Any news on that front?
Nov 09 19:18:36 <corecode> Stskeeps: what do you mean?
Nov 09 19:18:47 <Stskeeps> corecode: use flasher-3.5 -l -k vmlinuz -b, don't use -f
Nov 09 19:18:56 <corecode> ah
Nov 09 19:19:00 <corecode> what will that do?
Nov 09 19:19:08 <auke> hurt a kitten
Nov 09 19:19:08 <Stskeeps> load the kernel into memory, leaving maemo intact
Nov 09 19:19:16 <Stskeeps> and hurt a kitten, yes
Nov 09 19:19:20 <auke> :)
Nov 09 19:19:35 <auke> Navegador: sorry, no news on that front.
Nov 09 19:19:37 <corecode> that happens while i'm still running maemo?
Nov 09 19:19:44 <corecode> can i do that from maemo as well?
Nov 09 19:19:56 <Stskeeps> no, have to use a pc or follow the u-boot dual boot guide
Nov 09 19:20:02 <corecode> okay
Nov 09 19:20:03 <corecode> thanks
Nov 09 19:20:05 <Navegador> Oh well.
Nov 09 19:20:29 <corecode> would you advise me to use the 1.1 handset image, or should i try a more recent snapshot?
Nov 09 19:20:58 <Navegador> is it at all possible, even if it takes some serious tinkering, to run meego on a GMA500-based device?
Nov 09 19:21:14 <Navegador> Or are we back to square 1?
Nov 09 19:21:22 <Stskeeps> corecode: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot
Nov 09 19:21:33 <corecode> Stskeeps: much obliged
Nov 09 19:21:45 <corecode> uh there is 1.3?
Nov 09 19:21:48 <corecode> heh
Nov 09 19:21:50 <auke> Navegador: the same tinkering steps that were possible with moblin might still work, but I have not been following it for a while
Nov 09 19:22:02 <auke> it's not looking good
Nov 09 19:22:42 <Stskeeps> Navegador: it's remotely possible to get something working with the emgd drivers if you downgrade to xorg and other libraries to meego 1.0 base, but then it's really no longer meego :P
Nov 09 19:23:07 <auke> basically, yes
Nov 09 19:24:01 <Stskeeps> ran handset ux and netbook ux quite well, but yeah..
Nov 09 19:30:33 <Navegador> @auke: Thanks for the replies! It sucks though that a Nokia-Intel OS will run on a bunch of netbooks but not on the Nokia-Intel one!
Nov 09 19:30:55 <Stskeeps> Navegador: gma500's a nightmare for everybody involved, yeah
Nov 09 19:32:20 <Navegador> Stskeeps: Hehe you can say that again
Nov 09 19:32:46 <Navegador> Anyway thanks for the replies. Back to sucky Ubuntu support I guess.
Nov 09 19:32:59 <Navegador> Or Windows 7 (argh!)
Nov 09 19:33:48 <Stskeeps> Navegador: well, i suppose you can grab meego 1.0 and drop in the EMGD release manually.. search forum.meego.com for booklet
Nov 09 19:34:03 <auke> Navegador: we're not happy with the status ourselves, sorry
Nov 09 19:37:27 * qgil is really impatient knowing why 1000 people registered to the MeeGo Conference in 2010 and whether they will really shows up (from the "Personal IRC Confessions" series)
Nov 09 19:37:47 <qgil> I mean impatient to know...
Nov 09 19:37:57 <Stskeeps> qgil: wasn't it like 800 limit at some point?
Nov 09 19:38:07 <qgil> at some point yes Stskeeps
Nov 09 19:38:12 <thiago_home> I don't think more than 600 will show up
Nov 09 19:38:27 <qgil> and 600 before that some point Stskeeps
Nov 09 19:38:29 <X-Fade> Well it is already a big step from the 400+ we saw last year in Amsterdam ;)
Nov 09 19:39:24 <iekku> i don't have enough money and company doesn't pay...
Nov 09 19:39:29 <Stskeeps> as long as there's enough food..
Nov 09 19:39:44 <qgil> X-Fade: yes, but last year Maemo had a stable platform, a product launched...
Nov 09 19:40:04 <thiago_home> the N900 was announced...
Nov 09 19:40:06 <X-Fade> qgil: True, but now we have Engadget hype..
Nov 09 19:40:13 <qgil> These 1000 with the current platfrm, SDK and products out already shows the exponential growth that MeeGo imples vs Maemo+Moblin
Nov 09 19:40:55 <qgil> X-Fade: this is why I start wondering about the 1000 - when I look there I don't see the kind of people that would fly to Dublin just because Engadget buzz
Nov 09 19:41:21 <qgil> (and in any case the best and most optimistic MeeGo buzz can't compare to e.g. Android buzz90
Nov 09 19:41:26 <Stskeeps> qgil: ask how many hotel bookings were made?
Nov 09 19:41:31 <Stskeeps> that should give some kind of indication
Nov 09 19:41:35 * javispedro the other day reviewed some of the names and found some interesting ones
Nov 09 19:41:38 <Stskeeps> we're past cut-off so
Nov 09 19:41:39 <qgil> I think 500-600 and all are booked
Nov 09 19:41:40 <X-Fade> qgil: They are not all coming just because they like to see dublin either :)
Nov 09 19:42:37 <qgil> javispedro - define interesting  btw it will be interesting seeing *you* again  :)
Nov 09 19:43:17 <javispedro> qgil: people last time I saw was during palmos days :)
Nov 09 19:43:37 <X-Fade> But yeah no big product releases with MeeGo yet. Maybe people expect there to be some surpirses.
Nov 09 19:43:52 <Stskeeps> javispedro: i still think it's bloody interesting that webos has some bits linked to qt4.6
Nov 09 19:45:15 <javispedro> Stskeeps: I was surprised too. Then again this was 2.0, which supposedly started development far ago.
Nov 09 19:46:50 <qgil> X-Fade: the funny thing with MeeGo is that basically nobody can know if there will be surprises for sure or not
Nov 09 19:46:55 <X-Fade> qgil: 'Problem' with our registration is that it is free.
Nov 09 19:47:08 * thiago_home expecting surprises in the form of devices
Nov 09 19:48:16 <RST38h> moo Stskeeps
Nov 09 19:48:21 <Stskeeps> moo RST38h
Nov 09 19:49:24 <Stskeeps> javispedro: how's webos'es SDK situation?
Nov 09 19:49:30 <qgil> X-Fade: free registration combined with limited capacity might be a problem at some point, yes
Nov 09 19:49:36 <javispedro> Stskeeps: still same, no hints of native Qt apps.
Nov 09 19:49:46 <Stskeeps> javispedro: i meant like, in terms of developer perception of it
Nov 09 19:50:15 <X-Fade> qgil: Yeah, there is no commitment. No problem when you register and don't come.
Nov 09 19:51:04 <X-Fade> There are these all you can eat sushi restaurants that have solved that issue. You can order as much as you like, but if you don't eat it, you pay for it :)
Nov 09 19:51:15 * lbt wonders if he's entitled to any freebie devices.... since Nokia's 9 days overdue with a contract it means I'm not technically employed by them at the moment ;)
Nov 09 19:51:24 <javispedro> Stskeeps: well, I've not read many rantings about it save for the usual "it's javascript". IMHO documentations is on the level of Maemo's (aka not impressive)
Nov 09 19:51:41 * lbt thinks he'll avoid the post for the rest of the week
Nov 09 19:51:48 <RST38h> Maemo docs are mostly repackages gnome/etc docs
Nov 09 19:51:54 <RST38h> can't have the same in web os, right?
Nov 09 19:52:07 <Stskeeps> lbt: ah, it's that time of year
Nov 09 19:52:31 <Stskeeps> lbt: time to make big money on consulting while it lasts
Nov 09 19:52:32 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 09 19:52:46 <lbt> hehe
Nov 09 19:53:15 <qgil> lbt: do you need an N900???
Nov 09 19:53:34 <lbt> I need an SD card with meego on it ;)
Nov 09 19:53:43 <Stskeeps> lbt: have you even tried meego yet? :P
Nov 09 19:53:43 <lbt> 2 actually :)
Nov 09 19:53:49 <lbt> nope :(
Nov 09 19:54:01 <lbt> every waking second goes into infra
Nov 09 19:54:04 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 09 19:54:11 <Stskeeps> that's commitment :)
Nov 09 19:54:23 <qgil> lbt: I'll remember this the next time you embrace on a time.consuming email discussion  ;)
Nov 09 19:54:41 <lbt> heh... it's passion!
Nov 09 19:54:55 <Stskeeps> lbt: you did notice we moved from mer to meego, right? just checking .. ;)
Nov 09 19:54:58 <qgil> and for me it's... lunchtime now  ;)
Nov 09 19:55:05 * lbt glances up.... oh...
Nov 09 19:55:18 <javispedro> RST38h: not only repackages, there's some main guide; but for a complete reference you basically look up into clearly autogenerated docs.
Nov 09 19:55:32 <lbt> maybe I'd better not take that T-shirt then
Nov 09 19:55:50 <Stskeeps> i'm planning to take my red tshirt
Nov 09 19:55:53 <RST38h> javoispedro: not unusual nowadays :(
Nov 09 19:55:56 <Stskeeps> at least for the sunday part
Nov 09 19:56:00 <lbt> barcelona :)
Nov 09 19:56:26 * lbt has a meego t-shirt already \o/
Nov 09 19:56:47 <CosmoHill> :o
Nov 09 19:57:00 <lbt> I want to see if Valterri has a MeeGo tatoo ;)
Nov 09 19:57:05 * javispedro hopes for proper video recording of all sessions!
Nov 09 19:57:17 <Stskeeps> lbt: i was pondering a 'meego on arm' tatoo
Nov 09 19:57:25 <lbt> Stskeeps: rofl
Nov 09 19:57:41 <X-Fade> Hehe.
Nov 09 19:57:54 <Stskeeps> javispedro: there'll supposedly be live streaming
Nov 09 19:58:02 <X-Fade> In the main hall only.
Nov 09 19:58:05 <RST38h> javispedro: notgoing?
Nov 09 19:58:09 <Stskeeps> ah, yeah
Nov 09 19:58:58 <javispedro> Stskeeps: live? but I'll be in some other channel! ;)
Nov 09 19:59:03 <DawnFoster> everything will be recorded for play later
Nov 09 19:59:16 <DawnFoster> big room will be live streamed
Nov 09 19:59:28 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: we just pray the people are proper professionals instead of the morons we had last year..
Nov 09 19:59:30 <javispedro> RST38h: going, but worrying about schedule collisions
Nov 09 19:59:31 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: Thanks for the info.
Nov 09 19:59:37 <javispedro> DawnFoster++
Nov 09 20:00:06 <DawnFoster> I hammered on them with obscure questions about bandwidth isolation, uploading, etc.
Nov 09 20:00:10 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 09 20:00:10 <X-Fade> Yeah, the schedule has a big problem. There are too many interesting talks :)
Nov 09 20:00:13 <DawnFoster> I *think* we have it figured out
Nov 09 20:00:48 <javispedro> X-Fade: Indeed.
Nov 09 20:01:59 <Stskeeps> i wonder how the wifi will cope with 400+ n900's
Nov 09 20:02:22 <niala> you send a email to comunity with the url for stream and other stuff?
Nov 09 20:02:35 <Stskeeps> niala: there's links on schedule, i assume those would be used
Nov 09 20:02:36 <DawnFoster> I warned them to expect each person to be using 2 wireless connections at all times :)
Nov 09 20:03:01 <DawnFoster> I tried to stress that geek conference attendees will use *all* available bandwidth
Nov 09 20:03:10 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: Good, that is exactly what we saw in the last conference ;)
Nov 09 20:03:10 <javispedro> not to worry. someone should run firesheep on the unprotected network on the very first day and ... problem solved!
Nov 09 20:04:42 <lbt> just 2 devices?
Nov 09 20:04:44 <lbt> :(
Nov 09 20:06:11 <corecode> how come the 1.1 release doesn't require an IMEI, but the codedrop does?
Nov 09 20:06:19 <DawnFoster> lbt - just an average - I expect you to need about 10 :)
Nov 09 20:06:29 <Stskeeps> corecode: it's a convience place for us to drop that image
Nov 09 20:06:52 <Stskeeps> corecode: we needed the image published somehow and it isn't a '1.1' feature
Nov 09 20:07:21 <corecode> how are they different?
Nov 09 20:07:32 <Stskeeps> corecode: there's a third partition that contains a vfat filesystem with uImage on
Nov 09 20:07:40 <Stskeeps> compared to the normal 1.1 release image
Nov 09 20:07:48 <corecode> for uboot
Nov 09 20:07:52 <Stskeeps> right
Nov 09 20:08:15 <javispedro> btw
Nov 09 20:08:25 <javispedro> You should also offer raw partition images
Nov 09 20:08:26 <corecode> but why does this require the IMEI then?
Nov 09 20:08:42 <corecode> is that just a side effect of codedrop?
Nov 09 20:08:53 <Stskeeps> corecode: sideeffect - we used to need IMEI for the images
Nov 09 20:08:59 <corecode> ah
Nov 09 20:09:02 <Stskeeps> corecode: we just didn't have time to set up a proper drop :)
Nov 09 20:09:08 <corecode> fair enough
Nov 09 20:09:14 <javispedro> though it's easy enough to extract the partition from the sd image :)
Nov 09 20:09:56 <corecode> so i could just use the 1.1 image and slap a uboot partition on it?
Nov 09 20:10:56 <Stskeeps> yes, we have a guide for doing all this from scratch
Nov 09 20:11:00 <Stskeeps> in practice, 1.1 is easier
Nov 09 20:11:03 <Stskeeps> er, codedrop
Nov 09 20:11:10 <corecode> yea
Nov 09 20:11:13 <corecode> i guess so
Nov 09 20:15:15 <niala> at conference, you will take question from internet ? irc? note maybe all #meego'ers will be in Dublin  :)
Nov 09 20:16:36 <petteri> , but they will still ask questions on IRC :)
Nov 09 20:28:39 <javispedro> exactly
Nov 09 20:28:53 * javispedro fondly remembers last years' maemo event he wasn't able to attend
Nov 09 20:28:56 <DawnFoster> we will have someone on IRC fielding questions from the remote audience
Nov 09 20:28:57 <javispedro> irc was quite lively
Nov 09 20:29:19 <DawnFoster> plus most of the room on IRC as typical for any tech conference :)
Nov 09 21:31:09 <georgem> Is anyone aware of anyway to boot meego on an Atom without using a standard PC bios? Has anyone heard of anything like coreboot that supports US15W or E600 platforms?
Nov 09 21:31:39 <Stskeeps> well, don't they have EFI?
Nov 09 21:32:59 <georgem> Stskeeps: I'll look into that.
Nov 09 21:33:47 <Stskeeps> if so, look into grub for efi or maybe syslinux's efi variant (i think)
Nov 09 21:35:16 <hpa> At this point Syslinux doesn't have EFI yet, but there is ELILO (which has nothing to do with LILO)
Nov 09 21:35:38 <georgem> ok. interesting.
Nov 09 21:40:40 <georgem> Ahh. tianocore. this looks interesting.
Nov 09 21:42:42 <lcuk> http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines
Nov 09 21:42:46 <lcuk> is this document wrong?
Nov 09 21:42:59 <lcuk> it says patches are good
Nov 09 21:43:12 <lcuk> but no mention of the even better option: direct gitorious merge request
Nov 09 21:43:20 <lcuk> where peer review can occur immediately
Nov 09 21:43:28 * lucent pops over from #maemo
Nov 09 21:43:33 <lcuk> (for the meego specific things anyway)
Nov 09 21:43:45 <lcuk> \o lucent
Nov 09 21:44:10 <lucent> I'm not a developer, though I have a good knack for troubleshooting and bug reporting
Nov 09 21:44:34 <lcuk> thats good to have
Nov 09 21:44:35 <lcuk> :)
Nov 09 21:44:40 <lucent> are more ... people / bodies needed to test wifi on N900 target?  I could be that guy who goes back and forth with a real developer
Nov 09 21:44:43 <lcuk> have you tried meego on your device yet?
Nov 09 21:44:43 <lucent> ha
Nov 09 21:44:54 <lucent> I have not tried meego on N900
Nov 09 21:45:46 <lcuk> :) perhaps you could give the wifi modules a workout and see whether its coming along
Nov 09 21:46:22 <lucent> uhhh okay I followed that there's some guides about installing Meego on N900, however as I use it for a day to day phone, what do you say is the least likely to bork method?
Nov 09 21:46:38 <lcuk> the principle method is the one people use :)
Nov 09 21:46:44 <lcuk> install onto an external MMC
Nov 09 21:46:49 <lucent> ah okay I have those
Nov 09 21:46:51 <RST38h> install to a microSD card
Nov 09 21:46:54 <lcuk> plug it in and do a soft kernel boot
Nov 09 21:47:02 <lcuk> which reverts after you reboot
Nov 09 21:47:12 <lucent> what capacity suggested?
Nov 09 21:47:26 <lcuk> the dualboot documentation is a bit hairy atm and still needs clarification
Nov 09 21:47:28 <lcuk> 4gb
Nov 09 21:47:29 <RST38h> What is the status of having seamless switching between meego and maemo btw?
Nov 09 21:47:35 <lcuk> RST38h, ^
Nov 09 21:47:43 <RST38h> Still not functional?
Nov 09 21:47:49 <lcuk> i believe its possible
Nov 09 21:47:53 <lcuk> but its not an easy ride
Nov 09 21:48:03 * lcuk has not got the guts to try it
Nov 09 21:48:09 <lcuk> hmm
Nov 09 21:48:12 <lcuk> i could on my other
Nov 09 21:48:17 <lucent> do you mean seamless "kexec" ?
Nov 09 21:48:23 * lcuk will do it after the other items on todo
Nov 09 22:05:10 <qgil> omg, sometimes I feel lazy with Netbook UX - for example now that I must figure out how to get 'wget'...
Nov 09 22:40:33 <CosmoHill> sometimes it's so much easier to use wget
Nov 09 22:40:42 <CosmoHill> or curl, that's a bit of a pain tho
Nov 09 22:41:10 <CosmoHill> hey DawnFoster
Nov 09 22:43:25 <DawnFoster> hey CosmoHill
Nov 09 22:43:46 <CosmoHill> how's work going?
Nov 09 22:43:51 * auke cries
Nov 09 22:44:00 * CosmoHill hugs auke 
Nov 09 22:45:07 <thiago_home> auke: coming next week?
Nov 09 22:52:25 <auke> if I can stop crying, maybe
Nov 09 22:54:39 <CosmoHill> auke: sup?
Nov 09 22:59:02 <thiago_home> auke: I'll buy you a beer next week
Nov 09 22:59:12 <thiago_home> in one of the open bar social events
Nov 09 23:02:02 * lcuk would have beer with auke if he was there too :)
Nov 09 23:02:49 <qgil> http://conference2010.meego.com/news/just-few-days-left-tips-and-directions - see the graph  :)
Nov 09 23:03:35 <thiago_home> taxi drivers in Dublin know their way around
Nov 09 23:04:03 <thiago_home> speaking from experience
Nov 09 23:04:42 <thiago_home> that was over 4 years ago though
Nov 09 23:07:24 <CosmoHill> taxi drivers know there way around, it's their job
Nov 09 23:07:50 <thiago_home> *usually*
Nov 09 23:08:29 <CosmoHill> qgil: will there be anything about local sim card? I know GAN900 wanted to know so maybe others wanted to know too
Nov 09 23:10:17 <auke> yeah, I'll be there guys
Nov 10 00:04:43 * CosmoHill looks at zumbi_ 
Nov 10 00:44:00 <smithna> What is the actual app that is called from IVI Home -> Tools -> Settings ?
Nov 10 00:46:13 <smithna> nm, it's duicontrolpanel
Nov 10 01:08:19 <CosmoHill> cyas
Nov 10 02:46:28 <lebronjames> sup
Nov 10 02:59:31 <lebronjames> hi
Nov 10 02:59:34 <lebronjames> what is meego
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