**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 16 02:59:58 2010
Nov 16 03:02:16 <pupnik> la cigale et la fourmi
Nov 16 03:03:13 <cuckoo> exit
Nov 16 03:03:14 <thebootroo> La Cigale,  ayant chanté tout l'été
Nov 16 03:03:29 <thebootroo> Se trouva fort dépourvue quand la bise fut venue
Nov 16 03:03:34 <thebootroo> bla bla bla
Nov 16 03:04:57 <pupnik> it is till a good lesson thebootroo ~ especially in modern times
Nov 16 03:05:11 <thebootroo> yes it is
Nov 16 04:30:46 <bernie> boot hangs waiting for the mmc device to show up on N900. what could that mean?
Nov 16 04:30:52 <bernie> the sdcard works in maemo
Nov 16 04:30:59 <bernie> *microsd
Nov 16 04:32:32 <timoph> back cover on?
Nov 16 04:35:07 <bernie> timoph: yes (although I see no sensors)
Nov 16 04:35:14 <bernie> 1.1.80.6.20101112.1
Nov 16 04:35:29 <bernie> I just tried the 1.1 kernel with no success
Nov 16 04:36:39 <timoph> the sensor reads the small magnet behind the stand
Nov 16 04:38:09 <timoph> I'll try to install that 1.1.80 image
Nov 16 04:38:39 <timoph> (after I get it downloaded using this laggy hotel wifi)
Nov 16 04:48:49 <bernie> timoph: thanks a lot
Nov 16 04:49:07 <bernie> timoph: I can see files in the image when I mount it on the n900 or on my laptop
Nov 16 04:59:05 <djszapi> ifconfig n900 -> n900: error fetching interface information: Device not found
Nov 16 04:59:07 <djszapi> any idea ?
Nov 16 05:06:35 <cuckoohello> ifconfig usb0 ?
Nov 16 05:15:37 <timoph> bernie: the build might be broken. dunno yet. currently dd'ing the image
Nov 16 05:31:55 <timoph> bernie: the image works for me
Nov 16 05:51:27 <bef0rd> uh.. didn't know there was a live stream
Nov 16 06:10:53 * timoph needs a magnet or a tool to get one from the n900's back cover
Nov 16 06:24:37 <Stskeeps> timoph: knife!
Nov 16 06:25:25 <timoph> don't have one :(
Nov 16 06:25:35 <Stskeeps> breakfast should have:P
Nov 16 06:26:08 <timoph> I'm thinking that the hotel's shop should have some souvenier fridge magnets
Nov 16 06:27:35 <Stskeeps> souvenir magnets maybe
Nov 16 06:27:36 <Stskeeps> morn johnx
Nov 16 06:27:48 <timoph> yep
Nov 16 06:28:32 <johnx> hallo
Nov 16 06:29:04 <timoph> I tried pulling the magnet using the pin in my meego greeter badge but it just bent :)
Nov 16 06:29:44 <bef0rd> won't that damage the cover detector thing?
Nov 16 06:30:00 <timoph> it will
Nov 16 06:31:04 <bef0rd> boo :P
Nov 16 06:34:42 <timoph> bef0rd: if you're at the conference come to 1872 suite at 8.45 and see why I'm doing that
Nov 16 06:36:13 <timoph> we're showing automated installation setups (not on the official program)
Nov 16 06:37:09 <Stskeeps> don't rely on wifi ;)
Nov 16 06:38:41 <tkeisala> Stskeeps: we did not manage to have TV working on this schedule
Nov 16 06:39:04 <Stskeeps> tkeisala: k
Nov 16 06:39:04 <tkeisala> TV out I mean
Nov 16 06:39:19 <Stskeeps> tkeisala: we found a workaround involving an expensive tv camera
Nov 16 06:39:34 <timoph> :)
Nov 16 06:39:58 <tkeisala> hehe =)
Nov 16 06:40:23 * Stskeeps wonders when breakfast opens
Nov 16 06:52:38 <Termana> Good morning conference-awakeners
Nov 16 06:53:05 <Termana> Remember to send me some breakfast in the mail and I won't have you all assassinated
Nov 16 07:05:15 <WIIman> hello
Nov 16 07:06:09 <WIIman> got moblin instead of meego forgetting about the change over
Nov 16 07:06:41 <WIIman> its nice thought
Nov 16 07:06:57 <WIIman> seems dell suports it
Nov 16 07:07:11 <timoph> Stskeeps: it was already open
Nov 16 07:07:44 <chriadam> how's the conference been so far?  productive and useful, I hope?
Nov 16 07:07:53 <timoph> and their knives were too thick :)
Nov 16 07:08:17 <timoph> I've liked it so far
Nov 16 07:08:42 <timoph> good sessions, friendly people, etc.
Nov 16 07:09:24 <chriadam> I haven't yet had a chance to watch the live feed; I might get a chance to see some it tonight, with luck.
Nov 16 07:32:25 <lolloo> is live feed live now?
Nov 16 07:32:50 <timoph> sessions haven't started yet
Nov 16 07:32:57 <lolloo> oh
Nov 16 07:33:05 <lolloo> sorry but am excited
Nov 16 07:33:10 <timoph> still 1.5h to go
Nov 16 07:33:13 <timoph> :)
Nov 16 07:33:15 <lolloo> awesome
Nov 16 07:36:19 <lolloo> anyone you know at the conference?
Nov 16 07:36:41 <lolloo> maybe when we see him we say hi
Nov 16 07:56:06 <WIIman> us it worth the upgrade from moblin to meego  ?
Nov 16 07:56:42 <copyleft> Hi, is there a kernel module packaging guideline of MeeGo?
Nov 16 07:56:56 <araujo> WIIman, moblin is no more ... now it is meego
Nov 16 07:57:18 <araujo> (hopefully that answers your question :P)
Nov 16 08:00:03 <WIIman> so the move from moblin to meego  on my netbook would be good
Nov 16 08:02:01 <pupnik> http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm   North american internet disruption
Nov 16 08:29:32 <lolloo> guys
Nov 16 08:29:52 <lolloo> is Stskeeps going to present in the confernce?
Nov 16 08:30:26 <lolloo> I heard he will be talking about the future of N900?
Nov 16 08:30:42 <lolloo> Stskeeps is amazing dude with N900.
Nov 16 08:34:54 <Myrtti> healthy hobbies. I read about Alan Turing and Great Women of World History until three
Nov 16 08:35:10 <Myrtti> joy and surprise the stream hasn't started yet
Nov 16 08:36:10 <lolloo> not yet, after 3P min will start
Nov 16 08:36:22 <lolloo> awesome, I get to see Stskeeps.
Nov 16 08:36:40 <lolloo> 3p= 30*
Nov 16 08:45:02 <GAN900> Myrtti, 0900
Nov 16 08:47:40 <RST38h> Moo, all
Nov 16 08:57:42 <TermanaDesire> Morning Myrtti GAN900 and RST38h
Nov 16 08:57:46 <WIIman> where doese moblin mount /dev/sdb1 ? i need to know for dd when meego is done downloading
Nov 16 08:58:06 <WIIman> it just lists as /media/disk
Nov 16 08:58:19 <WIIman> dont want to hit my hd though
Nov 16 08:58:47 <Myrtti> WIIman: would fdisk -l tell more?
Nov 16 08:59:09 <WIIman> ill try that thanks
Nov 16 09:02:57 <GAN900> Termana, howdy.
Nov 16 09:03:22 <Myrtti> *yawn*
Nov 16 09:03:23 <Termana> Streams on
Nov 16 09:04:32 <Termana> They keep cutting it for some reason
Nov 16 09:04:36 <WIIman> no fdisk installed no cfdisk cant find these app in installer no gparted
Nov 16 09:04:41 <Myrtti> surely it wasn't this quiet yesterday?!
Nov 16 09:04:46 <Myrtti> WIIman: "mount"?
Nov 16 09:04:54 <Termana> Myrtti, it was at the start
Nov 16 09:05:04 <Termana> Myrtti, it was only after a couple of sessions everyone started flooding in
Nov 16 09:05:12 <Termana> (I think)
Nov 16 09:05:17 <niala> morning :)
Nov 16 09:05:19 <WIIman> it mounts as /media/disk as it looks
Nov 16 09:06:04 <GAN900> Everybody's trying to get a netbook
Nov 16 09:06:25 <WIIman> lol i have one its nice
Nov 16 09:06:27 <GAN900> Joke's on them, though, since you only get one if you're leaving today.
Nov 16 09:07:50 <WIIman> got mine  through att
Nov 16 09:08:15 <Termana> GAN900, which is a rather strange requirement seeing as most probably wanted to stay for tomorrow
Nov 16 09:08:21 <Termana> GAN900, what session are you in?
Nov 16 09:08:41 <lcukn900> gan900 no, you only get one if you are in qoles terms a true bastard lol
Nov 16 09:09:05 <GAN900> Termana, marketing
Nov 16 09:09:09 <odinm> ronan talk on ecosystem
Nov 16 09:09:34 <GAN900> lcukn900, and only qole is capable of that.
Nov 16 09:12:28 <Saviq> geez guys can you stop complainin'? you're freakin' getting it for free...
Nov 16 09:13:04 <Saviq> and it's not a requirement, just a way to avoid people that have to leave tonight not getting one
Nov 16 09:13:05 <Termana> Saviq, I can damn well complain about anything I want, I'm not getting anything for free :P
Nov 16 09:15:31 <Termana> Stream choppy and not working for anyone else?
Nov 16 09:15:56 <lolloo> it's fine here
Nov 16 09:15:59 <lolloo> smooth
Nov 16 09:16:22 <aparna> audio is smooth. video is a bit choppy
Nov 16 09:16:31 <GAN900> Saviq, not complaining. . . .
Nov 16 09:16:52 <Saviq> oh nice... 1.2MBps downstream... seems the network's still quite empty
Nov 16 09:16:53 <Myrtti> Termana: works brill
Nov 16 09:17:45 <WIIman> damn moblin keeps dropping connection
Nov 16 09:18:14 <WIIman> at least it reconnects on its own
Nov 16 09:18:34 <Saviq> WIIman: happening to me on MeeGo, too... what hw?
Nov 16 09:18:54 <Saviq> EeePC here
Nov 16 09:18:57 <Myrtti> Ronan needs to breathe
Nov 16 09:19:05 <Myrtti> he sounds like he doesn't breath
Nov 16 09:19:10 <aparna> :-)
Nov 16 09:23:06 <lolloo> I wish I can see slides again
Nov 16 09:25:31 <aparna> yeah having slides wud be good especially for the number comparison he was giving between android community/meego community
Nov 16 09:26:19 <Myrtti> could someone tell him to repeat the questions?
Nov 16 09:26:51 * Chani sulks
Nov 16 09:26:51 <Termana> Myrtti, you have tha powah
Nov 16 09:27:14 <Chani> i lost my deodorant. darnit. and it was a really good one
Nov 16 09:27:26 <Termana> YES - the first person to say they need a microphone :P
Nov 16 09:27:35 * WIIman listens to pandpra wile he downloads meego
Nov 16 09:28:13 <Chani> do they have good aluminum-free deodorant in ireland? 'cause i couldn't find any in berlin, i only had that one bottle i brought with me
Nov 16 09:28:31 <Myrtti> Termana: how?
Nov 16 09:28:49 <Termana> Myrtti, he repeated someone's question. Now he's not doing it
Nov 16 09:28:54 <Myrtti> yeah...
Nov 16 09:29:06 <Chani> hmm. i suppose the fastest way to find out is to go to the shops :)
Nov 16 09:29:15 * Chani heads out
Nov 16 09:29:18 <RST38h> So, anything new and exciting announced at the conference?
Nov 16 09:29:38 <Saviq> Chani: could you've left it at the room?
Nov 16 09:29:50 <Termana> RST38h, that another conference will be in May?
Nov 16 09:30:00 <lolloo> awesome
Nov 16 09:32:07 <aparna> yes another conference in San Francisco 23-25th may
Nov 16 09:34:47 <GAN900> RST38h, no.
Nov 16 09:36:51 * Myrtti despairs
Nov 16 09:37:03 <Myrtti> for the LOVE OF GOD could someone tell him to repeat the questions
Nov 16 09:37:18 <araujo> Question: Evidently Qt is the main development platform, what about applications written in other languages/technologies?, what are the challenges or solutions in this regard, for example, we would have some kind of "Meego Porting" project to make available these applications?
Nov 16 09:37:27 <araujo> can somebody proxy it? :)
Nov 16 09:37:43 <Termana> Myrtti, araujo: No one in here is in that session
Nov 16 09:38:02 <araujo> :(
Nov 16 09:38:08 <lcukn900> araujo \o hey that is related to the talk i submitted.
Nov 16 09:38:15 <araujo> lcukn900!!!
Nov 16 09:38:22 <araujo> lcukn900, where are you now?
Nov 16 09:38:26 <araujo> :P
Nov 16 09:38:32 <lcukn900> watching rohan
Nov 16 09:39:07 <araujo> lcukn900, ask him now
Nov 16 09:39:16 <araujo> hehe
Nov 16 09:39:35 <lcukn900> araujo see the gnome people, they have a 50k bounty for porting hildon
Nov 16 09:39:42 <lcukn900> i already know the answer
Nov 16 09:39:52 <javispedro> yep
Nov 16 09:40:03 <javispedro> i wish i knew if anyone is taking it
Nov 16 09:40:10 <Termana> lcukn900, can you asks him to not use the knowledge he gained by getting a degree in question avoiding and dodging
Nov 16 09:40:15 <Termana> ask*
Nov 16 09:40:23 <Termana> JUST SAYING
Nov 16 09:40:44 <araujo> lcukn900, well, I was wondering if we in *meego* would have something specially for that
Nov 16 09:40:45 <lcukn900> ? termana
Nov 16 09:40:53 <Termana> lcukn900, nothing it's ok
Nov 16 09:41:08 <alterego> 50k for porting hildon to MeeGo?
Nov 16 09:41:44 <javispedro> to make hildon&gtk apps work under meego [handset iirc]
Nov 16 09:41:44 <alterego> Is anyone actually working on it?
Nov 16 09:41:55 <alterego> I'll look into it ...
Nov 16 09:42:03 <alterego> (I need cash) :D
Nov 16 09:42:26 <alterego> Basically, integration into the compositor no doubt.
Nov 16 09:42:38 <javispedro> well...
Nov 16 09:42:51 <javispedro> compositor people expect the app to everyting by its own
Nov 16 09:43:03 <alterego> Ah, good point.
Nov 16 09:43:08 * alterego ponders ...
Nov 16 09:43:32 <alterego> I think I will look into it. I've almost finished my current app.
Nov 16 09:43:37 <javispedro> i don't know if anyones taking it either
Nov 16 09:43:43 <Saviq> so, anyone know what the issue is with running the handset SDK on suse?
Nov 16 09:43:53 <GAN900> javispedro, last night they were saying nobody has stepped up so far.
Nov 16 09:43:57 <javispedro> i think theyre looking for companies, plans, schedules...
Nov 16 09:44:10 <javispedro> stuff that sounds chinese to me atm :)
Nov 16 09:44:15 <alterego> Who, the gnome foundation?
Nov 16 09:44:20 <javispedro> yep
Nov 16 09:44:31 <javispedro> the original ad is on their blog, google for it
Nov 16 09:44:33 <alterego> Interesting
Nov 16 09:44:38 <alterego> Cool
Nov 16 09:44:38 <bef0rd> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.foundation.announce/440
Nov 16 09:47:25 <alterego> You have to bid to do it?
Nov 16 09:47:33 <alterego> So I can't just do it and get cash? :D
Nov 16 09:48:58 <javispedro> you'd wish
Nov 16 09:49:10 <alterego> pfft
Nov 16 09:49:17 <javispedro> tbh
Nov 16 09:49:42 <javispedro> imho it is way more easier than 50k
Nov 16 09:49:50 <javispedro> i hope no one listens :)
Nov 16 09:49:57 <alterego> Heh
Nov 16 09:50:37 <javispedro> possibly technically harder would be getting this to work with all kind of apps and not only gtk
Nov 16 09:50:55 <alterego> I'm thinking, cairo opengl backend used to render in an opengl context
Nov 16 09:51:20 <alterego> extra widgets for rendering the application title and close,switcher buttons
Nov 16 09:51:20 <javispedro> or use clutter-gtk
Nov 16 09:51:27 <alterego> And theming.
Nov 16 09:52:03 <alterego> Yeah, could do, I just think cairo would lose a layer of complexitty with not having to deal with clutter.
Nov 16 09:52:14 <javispedro> are you around the conf?
Nov 16 09:52:28 <alterego> It also leaves the possibility of people actually using clutter in their apps, unlike maemo
Nov 16 09:52:31 <alterego> No,
Nov 16 09:52:39 <alterego> In England, couldn't make it :(
Nov 16 09:52:51 <Termana> looks like I just got back in time :p
Nov 16 09:57:35 <alterego> javispedro: are there hackers working on it at the conference?
Nov 16 09:58:19 <Saviq> "working at the conference" ;) funny ;)
Nov 16 09:58:59 <alterego> :)
Nov 16 09:59:33 <oliwer> i thought the goal of meego was to ditch gtk and only focus on Qt ?
Nov 16 09:59:45 <crashanddie> that's hardly a goal
Nov 16 09:59:54 <alterego> oliwer: no, it's not a goal :P:
Nov 16 09:59:55 <crashanddie> it's one of the steps
Nov 16 10:00:07 <Saviq> oliwer: and it's not meego that pays the money
Nov 16 10:00:13 <alterego> It's absolutely not a step!
Nov 16 10:00:27 <niala> what time is it in dublin ?
Nov 16 10:00:48 <Saviq> 0954hrs
Nov 16 10:00:51 <alterego> Qt was a choice, there's no exclusivity on toolkit, it's just the native platform.
Nov 16 10:01:12 <niala> arff I mlate
Nov 16 10:01:39 <oliwer> i'm interested in meego IVI, and using two big toolkits on what is supposed to be an embedded device (with low resources) is annoying
Nov 16 10:01:48 <thiago_home> niala: is that irish?
Nov 16 10:02:03 <thiago_home> oliwer: which ones? X and Qt?
Nov 16 10:02:05 <alterego> oliwer: don't then :P
Nov 16 10:02:26 <alterego> Having gtk/hildon on device just adds compatibility.
Nov 16 10:02:29 <oliwer> navit is in gtk and is mandatory
Nov 16 10:02:52 <Saviq> just port navit to Qt/QML, you'll get rid of gtk if that's a problem
Nov 16 10:02:53 <thiago_home> ivi devices are quite powerful
Nov 16 10:02:58 <thiago_home> they are not battery-powered...
Nov 16 10:03:38 <javispedro> alterego: I was at least
Nov 16 10:03:53 <javispedro> my gsoc was about input methods
Nov 16 10:04:17 <javispedro> and that works... of course I can only test under real compositor ;)
Nov 16 10:04:30 <javispedro> real wm, not mcompositor I mean
Nov 16 10:04:40 <javispedro> ;)
Nov 16 10:04:59 <RST38h> heya javispedro
Nov 16 10:05:17 <javispedro> s/real/desktop (lets be p.c.)
Nov 16 10:05:22 <javispedro> heya rst
Nov 16 10:07:20 <lardman> Ah, Mr Neary
Nov 16 10:07:24 <lardman> morning all
Nov 16 10:07:34 <lolloo> morning
Nov 16 10:07:35 <niala> morning lar
Nov 16 10:07:38 <niala> dman
Nov 16 10:07:39 * GAN900 rolls eyes at Dave's Obama slide.
Nov 16 10:07:51 <lardman> Have I missed anything exciting this morning?
Nov 16 10:07:53 <tybollt> GAN900: url, bitte
Nov 16 10:08:11 <lolloo> hope not
Nov 16 10:08:20 <GAN900> tybollt, no such thing.
Nov 16 10:08:28 <niala> he has a slide? pease  Spielberg if he has a slide show us :)
Nov 16 10:08:35 <crashanddie> GAN900, stream doesn't show the slides
Nov 16 10:09:13 <crashanddie> did he show Obama when talking about the cookie licker?
Nov 16 10:09:17 <niala> yesterday cameraman move the camera on slide
Nov 16 10:09:43 <Myrtti> niala: only when there was coding on the screen
Nov 16 10:09:55 <niala> hello DawnFoster nice first day? a lot of people ?
Nov 16 10:10:00 <niala> Myrtti: ok
Nov 16 10:10:01 <niala> ty
Nov 16 10:10:07 <RST38h> Heh, unusual to see DawnFoster online at this time :)
Nov 16 10:10:32 <DawnFoster> niala: we had about 1000 people on the first day - awesome response :)
Nov 16 10:10:38 <alterego> GAN900: spoke to Quim? ;)
Nov 16 10:10:45 <GAN900> crashanddie, leadership.
Nov 16 10:10:58 <GAN900> alterego, he's been unavailable.
Nov 16 10:11:02 <niala> woaouw nice to hear
Nov 16 10:11:03 <alterego> What's on at the conf today?
Nov 16 10:11:04 <DawnFoster> RST38h: I get to be on European time this week - it's a whole different set of people!
Nov 16 10:11:15 <lardman> GAN900: he's presenting atm isn't he?
Nov 16 10:11:19 <lardman> in another session
Nov 16 10:11:20 <crashanddie> GAN900, you know how to manhandle a camera, go move it
Nov 16 10:11:23 <GAN900> alterego, clearly you should ask DawnFoster though. ;)
Nov 16 10:11:37 <GAN900> crashanddie, it's still intimidating.
Nov 16 10:11:38 <RST38h> DawnFoster: exactly =)
Nov 16 10:11:51 <crashanddie> GAN900, stop being a wuss :P
Nov 16 10:11:51 <alterego> GAN900: I would, but I know what she'd say :P
Nov 16 10:12:02 <DawnFoster> alterego: I missed the question :)
Nov 16 10:12:14 <niala> why presenter have not meegoshirt ?  :(
Nov 16 10:12:37 <alterego> DawnFoster: is it okay for GAN900 to pick up my doggy bag as I couldn't make it to the conf ...
Nov 16 10:12:55 <sx0n> some community anti-patterns might apply meego architecture board
Nov 16 10:12:58 <alterego> DawnFoster: I wanna t-shirt :(
Nov 16 10:12:59 <DawnFoster> alterego: unfortunately, no.
Nov 16 10:13:04 <niala> hello CosmoHill
Nov 16 10:13:08 <alterego> GAN900: told you :P
Nov 16 10:13:15 <CosmoHill> salut niala et DawnFoster
Nov 16 10:13:26 * javispedro thinks dave is doing great
Nov 16 10:13:45 <DawnFoster> alterego: ha! We're actually short on boxes, since we have more people than expected.
Nov 16 10:13:55 * CosmoHill tunes into the live stream
Nov 16 10:13:58 <alterego> DawnFoster: urgh :(
Nov 16 10:14:00 <lardman> javispedro:  would be nice to see the slides though to keep track of the poinrts
Nov 16 10:14:04 <DawnFoster> Dave is doing great
Nov 16 10:14:11 * alterego sips on some steaming hot coffee
Nov 16 10:14:12 <DawnFoster> *back to listening to Dave* :)
Nov 16 10:14:22 <niala> DawnFoster: there is more individual user/devel or more company in public ?
Nov 16 10:14:41 <Mece> hmpf stream doesn't work on my phone :/
Nov 16 10:15:21 <CosmoHill> oh hey, it's 4:3
Nov 16 10:15:43 <niala> CosmoHill: you want 3d 16/9  ?  :)
Nov 16 10:15:48 <javispedro> lardman: save for the pointy ones (eg the cur one) the rest are mostly eyecatching pictures ;)
Nov 16 10:15:56 <lardman> ah ok
Nov 16 10:16:54 <Jucato> I wanted to see the pic on the "headless chicken" slide :)
Nov 16 10:17:19 <crashanddie> DawnFoster, will the talks be posted somewhere for viewing/download later on?
Nov 16 10:18:08 <pohly> To those at the conference: my greetings to Dave (I'm not there) and please tell him that despite the challenge that he quoted me on, I think SyncEvolution did well as an open and welcoming project. Or so I hope ;-)
Nov 16 10:18:24 <niala> crashanddie: for sure
Nov 16 10:18:26 <DawnFoster> crashanddie: all the talks are being recorded & will be posted
Nov 16 10:18:36 <crashanddie> DawnFoster, excellent. Thanks.
Nov 16 10:19:28 <alterego> schweet
Nov 16 10:20:08 <sx0n> :)
Nov 16 10:20:42 <niala> :p do not top post!!
Nov 16 10:20:43 <Jucato> hehehe "not to top post" :)
Nov 16 10:21:32 <CosmoHill> what film is he talking about?
Nov 16 10:23:34 <CosmoHill> dammit, I swap computers just has he's about to end
Nov 16 10:23:36 <niala> CosmoHill: don't know he must have slide
Nov 16 10:23:53 <CosmoHill> oh wow a star trek reference
Nov 16 10:24:13 <niala> I wait t-pool so
Nov 16 10:24:14 <alterego> At a geek conference? That's so cliche :P
Nov 16 10:24:18 <WIIman> got dd going :)
Nov 16 10:24:31 <niala> clap clap clap
Nov 16 10:24:35 <Jucato> elevator music?
Nov 16 10:24:36 <lardman> nice one dneary :)
Nov 16 10:24:38 <WIIman> soon meego will be ready
Nov 16 10:24:40 <Jucato> oh none yet :)
Nov 16 10:24:56 <WIIman> god it was abig download
Nov 16 10:25:14 <CosmoHill> is that slaine asking the question?
Nov 16 10:25:17 <niala> Jucato: I need elevator music i m laking
Nov 16 10:25:45 <WIIman> it done time for reboot
Nov 16 10:26:27 <CosmoHill> hmm, broken record is pretty much what our devs to with newbies
Nov 16 10:27:06 <Myrtti> "our devs"?
Nov 16 10:27:17 <CosmoHill> more like IRC regulars
Nov 16 10:27:33 <CosmoHill> people with great experience with LFS and / or reading
Nov 16 10:27:34 <crashanddie> oh, a Finn
Nov 16 10:27:53 <CosmoHill> asking the question?
Nov 16 10:28:10 <Myrtti> CosmoHill: I suspect it might be inherited from the older projects
Nov 16 10:28:32 <Myrtti> what was the book, by whom?
Nov 16 10:28:37 <CosmoHill> the LFS book
Nov 16 10:28:58 <CosmoHill> the problem we have is that people skip parts and then screw up and get lost
Nov 16 10:28:59 <Myrtti> ah, karl fogel
Nov 16 10:29:12 <Jucato> Producing Open Source Software
Nov 16 10:29:14 <Jucato> POSS
Nov 16 10:29:18 <Jucato> ok that doesn't sound nice :)
Nov 16 10:29:29 <araujo> that one is good
Nov 16 10:29:44 <Jucato> niala: there should be elevator music by now :(
Nov 16 10:29:54 <CosmoHill> ah!
Nov 16 10:29:54 <niala> Jucato: ahhhhh :)
Nov 16 10:29:58 <Jucato> oh there!
Nov 16 10:30:05 <niala> ohhh
Nov 16 10:30:07 <Termana> Jucato, you're just watching the stream for the elevator music aren't you?
Nov 16 10:30:09 <CosmoHill> oh it's gone again
Nov 16 10:30:17 <Myrtti> aw, no Finnish translation
Nov 16 10:30:18 <Jucato> Termana: yes!!
Nov 16 10:30:30 <CosmoHill> my stream just stopped
Nov 16 10:30:35 <Jucato> mine too
Nov 16 10:30:45 <lardman> not something I'd usually want, but it's a shame the video feed isn't lower res, so I can also see the code I'm supposed to be writing
Nov 16 10:30:47 <Jucato> the stream took a coffee stream break :)
Nov 16 10:30:49 <Termana> Yeah, its a 20 minute coffee break
Nov 16 10:30:50 <araujo> they don't want us to enjoy elevator music
Nov 16 10:30:57 <niala> nice music to do some housework
Nov 16 10:31:25 <Termana> "The MeeGo Conference Soundtrack"
Nov 16 10:31:27 <niala> maybe we can take this elevator music as official jingle for meego :)
Nov 16 10:31:34 <lardman> startup tune :)
Nov 16 10:31:47 <lolloo> hehehe
Nov 16 10:31:55 <Jucato> they should release a MeeGo OST CD :)
Nov 16 10:32:09 <Jucato> one full CD of looped MeeGo elevator music!
Nov 16 10:32:29 <Jucato> with bonus content, the video shown during Doug Fisher's keynote!
Nov 16 10:32:38 <CosmoHill> a limited edition grove-locked 7" vinyl
Nov 16 10:32:50 <Termana> Jucato, they could make a CD called ELEVATOR MUSIC and it could have one of those stickers on the front saying "As heard on the MeeGo Conference Live Stream!"
Nov 16 10:32:50 * araujo *weirdly* for some reason feels like in the 70's with that music
Nov 16 10:32:54 <Termana> All the tweens would buy it!
Nov 16 10:33:01 <araujo> and the weird part is that I am not that old
Nov 16 10:33:20 <lolloo> the feed stopped at my end!
Nov 16 10:33:21 <lardman> might be the pastel colours of the stage bg ;)
Nov 16 10:33:44 <niala> and the poster behind presenter for a child room
Nov 16 10:33:52 <lolloo> hehehe
Nov 16 10:33:58 <lardman> hmm, next talk looks interesting
Nov 16 10:34:01 <Jucato> niala: oooh good idea :)
Nov 16 10:34:11 <Jucato> yeah I'm actually waiting for the next talk :)
Nov 16 10:34:24 <Jucato> before I realized it was Dave Neary who was talking. then I listened in :)
Nov 16 10:34:26 <lolloo> aren't we all
Nov 16 10:34:26 <lardman> 4.30pm looks good too
Nov 16 10:34:33 <niala> yes lardman i hope somme news app for n900 or some new project
Nov 16 10:34:42 <Termana> Also if you want to make any donations to the Linux Foundation for this event, just write a cheque out to C. ASH and send it my way!
Nov 16 10:34:48 <Termana> :P
Nov 16 10:35:02 <Jucato> (Ash Ketchum ...)
Nov 16 10:35:21 <lardman> looks like there's no live streaming tomorrow, according to the programme
Nov 16 10:35:27 <lardman> which is a shame
Nov 16 10:35:46 <alterego> What version of glib is installed under MeeGo currently?
Nov 16 10:35:47 <lardman> lighting talks would be good to see, etc
Nov 16 10:35:50 <alterego> Is there a package list I can get?
Nov 16 10:35:59 <Jucato> they're too fast too make sense of remotely :)
Nov 16 10:36:12 <lardman> Jucato: well if we could see the slides too ;)
Nov 16 10:36:27 <Termana> For anyone interested I've got someone to do an audio recording of the MeeGo ARM BoF that will happen tomorrow
Nov 16 10:36:29 <Jucato> lardman: you mean like how we see the slides right now? :)
Nov 16 10:36:53 <lardman> well I was hoping the AV guys might read this and realise...
Nov 16 10:36:54 <niala> http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule
Nov 16 10:37:11 <bef0rd> alterego, http://mirrors1.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.packages
Nov 16 10:37:12 <lardman> also, live roving cam in the unconference sessions would be good :)
Nov 16 10:37:27 <Termana> Streams back
Nov 16 10:37:28 <Termana> or not
Nov 16 10:37:32 <niala> yes
Nov 16 10:37:37 <Termana> It's back
Nov 16 10:37:38 <niala> music actually
Nov 16 10:37:50 <alterego> bef0rd: thanks :)
Nov 16 10:37:53 <CosmoHill> yes it's back :)
Nov 16 10:37:59 <niala> and 3 guy
Nov 16 10:38:04 <niala> s
Nov 16 10:38:07 <CosmoHill> I was wondering if it was broken and I was missing something
Nov 16 10:38:14 <Termana> Carsten is having trouble setting up the projector by the hand gestures
Nov 16 10:38:22 <Termana> :P
Nov 16 10:38:23 <bef0rd> alterego, that's for 1.1, you can also get the .packages for other images though
Nov 16 10:38:41 <CosmoHill> Termana: we had that yesterday
Nov 16 10:39:02 <CosmoHill> the computer connected to the display couldn't play our video or run 2007 powerpoint files
Nov 16 10:39:04 <niala> Termana: he is on meego for presentation? :p
Nov 16 10:39:32 <lardman> CosmoHill: I made the mistake of turning up to the first Maemo conf with ppt files, doh
Nov 16 10:39:33 <Termana> niala, yes, he's one of the four presenters for the next one on the live stream
Nov 16 10:39:43 <Termana> him, Sage, Harri and someone else I think
Nov 16 10:40:06 <CosmoHill> we can't use my laptop either because it's DVI and I don't have the adapter on me
Nov 16 10:40:12 <Jucato> just 3 of them
Nov 16 10:40:24 <Jucato> him/stskeeps, marko/sage, and harri
Nov 16 10:40:40 <CosmoHill> lardman: if I turned up to anything I'd have my powerbook on me :)
Nov 16 10:41:06 <lolloo> which one is Stskeeps?
Nov 16 10:41:08 <lardman> CosmoHill: I was travelling light having done a whistlestop tour of Berlin beforehand iirc
Nov 16 10:41:30 <Termana> lolloo, the guy stuffing somethign in his pocket
Nov 16 10:41:30 <lardman> actually that was probably a different one, I forget
Nov 16 10:41:33 <Termana> something*
Nov 16 10:41:44 <niala> oh they look at us
Nov 16 10:41:55 <lolloo> I didn't get it
Nov 16 10:41:57 <CosmoHill> hmm, I'm used to carrying my powerbook about in my backpack on the way to uni
Nov 16 10:42:33 <CosmoHill> I can see how fast the sun is moving as it's now lighting up the right on my screen instead of the left
Nov 16 10:44:00 <CosmoHill> they've all fled
Nov 16 10:44:26 <Termana> AV guy is having some fun
Nov 16 10:44:27 <Termana> :P
Nov 16 10:44:31 <lardman> Ooo, we're getting a sneak preview
Nov 16 10:44:53 <CosmoHill> that's cool, the camera dude showed us his meego device
Nov 16 10:44:58 <lolloo> thats my phone
Nov 16 10:44:58 <niala> CosmoHill: great astrophysic researcher of sunspot :)
Nov 16 10:44:59 <lardman> Can someone go and ask the cameraman now to make sure he pans across to the slides
Nov 16 10:45:24 <Termana> Someone has their head in front of the camera
Nov 16 10:45:25 <lardman> or I guess Carsten will stream video from an N900 rather than slides
Nov 16 10:45:26 <CosmoHill> and now for an intermission *n900 demo*
Nov 16 10:45:48 <CosmoHill> can't the camera be raised?
Nov 16 10:46:01 <Termana> Can you not notice the big arse camera behind yous?
Nov 16 10:46:09 <Jucato> damn I missed seeing the camera dude's meego device. now all I'm seeing are heads ...
Nov 16 10:46:17 <Jucato> or a part of a head now :)
Nov 16 10:46:17 <CosmoHill> it should have two red lights on it for effect
Nov 16 10:47:11 <lardman> laser beams?
Nov 16 10:48:21 <Termana> lardman, build in on the N900 and exclusively usable from MeeGo
Nov 16 10:48:26 <Termana> built*
Nov 16 10:48:32 <Jucato> and now introducing our next speaker, the Laptop
Nov 16 10:48:34 <Jucato> :)
Nov 16 10:48:35 <CosmoHill> I was thinking on the camera, so you turn arround and it looks like a demon is staring at you
Nov 16 10:48:37 <lardman> yep, that and the hidden digital compass
Nov 16 10:49:16 <CosmoHill> can someone with a meego device go up to the camera and hold it up?
Nov 16 10:49:46 <Termana> CosmoHill, Nokia Exec accidently holds up an N9
Nov 16 10:49:47 <Termana> :P
Nov 16 10:50:12 <CosmoHill> or a non nokia phone :o
Nov 16 10:50:14 <Jucato> would have been shocking if he/she accidentally held up an iPhone :)
Nov 16 10:50:21 <Termana> ;p
Nov 16 10:50:31 <CosmoHill> "isn't that an LG Cookie?"
Nov 16 10:50:53 <CosmoHill> okay the sun is now totally off my monitor
Nov 16 10:51:16 <Jucato> is the time on the live streaming page correct?
Nov 16 10:51:26 <CosmoHill> hold on
Nov 16 10:51:26 <Termana> Jucato, nope
Nov 16 10:51:33 <Jucato> because if yes, it's 1 hour before the next talk >.<
Nov 16 10:51:33 <Termana> It's 10:44
Nov 16 10:51:42 <CosmoHill> no
Nov 16 10:51:47 <CosmoHill> it's 6mins behind
Nov 16 10:51:48 <Jucato> cool. I'm 8 hours, 1 minute ahead
Nov 16 10:51:54 <Termana> That time counter has been playing up all the time
Nov 16 10:52:03 <CosmoHill> erm
Nov 16 10:52:27 <nyezku> hello
Nov 16 10:52:34 <CosmoHill> Tue Nov 16 10:46:00 UTC 2010
Nov 16 10:52:37 <CosmoHill> there you go :)
Nov 16 10:52:45 <nyezku> can i ask some question
Nov 16 10:52:49 <CosmoHill> of course
Nov 16 10:52:53 <Termana> I'm not sure how they are pulling the time on it - obviously whoever did it was drinking at the time
Nov 16 10:53:16 <Jucato> coffee probably :)
Nov 16 10:53:26 <niala> Termana: drink what in dublin ?
Nov 16 10:53:42 <Termana> BEER
Nov 16 10:53:42 <CosmoHill> Irish tea?
Nov 16 10:53:51 <Jucato> bailey's
Nov 16 10:53:52 <nyezku> i installed meego on my netbook
Nov 16 10:53:57 <Jucato> (Irish Cream or something)
Nov 16 10:54:03 <Termana> You had to be a little tipsy to make a time counter that can't display the right time
Nov 16 10:54:16 <Termana> ;p
Nov 16 10:54:22 <niala> irish cofee  ouch!
Nov 16 10:54:27 <nyezku> how to activate wifi :D
Nov 16 10:54:41 <mikeleib> have wifi with opensource drivers
Nov 16 10:54:43 <CosmoHill> fyi don't press pause, I just did and I had to refresh the page to get the stream working again
Nov 16 10:54:58 <nyezku> i boot meego via usb drive
Nov 16 10:55:19 <CosmoHill> is your wifi card supported by meego?
Nov 16 10:55:22 <Jucato> aw it's running late >.<
Nov 16 10:55:38 <CosmoHill> there should be a switch somewhere under settings to turn the wifi on or off
Nov 16 10:55:41 <nyezku> im using lenovo s10-2
Nov 16 10:55:48 <niala> nyezku: maybe your wifi card is not supported
Nov 16 10:55:51 <CosmoHill> or you could try pressing the wifi button on your laptop
Nov 16 10:55:57 <nyezku> i have switched it on
Nov 16 10:56:08 <CosmoHill> try off and on again
Nov 16 10:56:09 <mikeleib> lenovo s10 has a broadcom wifi chipset that isn't supported
Nov 16 10:56:11 <nyezku> hmm should i add more driver ?
Nov 16 10:56:16 <mikeleib> no open source driver
Nov 16 10:56:28 <nyezku> i did it but still can't find network
Nov 16 10:56:45 <lolloo> which one is Stskeeps?
Nov 16 10:57:01 <mikeleib> there are guides out there to get a binary driver for the broadcom, but there's no working open source driver
Nov 16 10:57:03 <stephg> on the right
Nov 16 10:57:07 <stephg> harri on the left
Nov 16 10:57:07 <nyezku> is there any problem with the usb flash drive ?
Nov 16 10:57:19 <stephg> sage in the middle
Nov 16 10:57:28 <nyezku> i boot meego via usb
Nov 16 10:57:28 <CosmoHill> the three ghosts of the Nokia N900
Nov 16 10:57:56 * mikeleib heads to another talk
Nov 16 10:58:07 <nyezku> hmmm
Nov 16 10:58:25 <CosmoHill> nyezku: fyi there is a presentation going on now so we might be quiet
Nov 16 10:58:35 <nyezku> oh ok
Nov 16 10:58:57 <Myrtti> tell me when Harri's done with his part
Nov 16 10:59:02 <nyezku> i question pls help: how to gain root access of my hardisk ?
Nov 16 10:59:24 <CosmoHill> what do you mean root access?
Nov 16 10:59:26 <nyezku> it asked password to authenticed
Nov 16 10:59:30 <Jucato> Myrtti: lol why? :)
Nov 16 10:59:31 <CosmoHill> try "meego"
Nov 16 10:59:41 <nyezku> oh
Nov 16 10:59:53 <Myrtti> Jucato: my brain refuses to listen, I know it's important stuff but I just can't
Nov 16 11:00:02 <access> nnnnghghgh, could the camera guys please show the slides
Nov 16 11:00:08 <CosmoHill> there are two users, "root" and "meego". Both use "meego" as a password
Nov 16 11:00:23 <Jucato> Myrtti: hahah! I thought so. I alt+tabbed already :)
Nov 16 11:00:56 <CosmoHill> I have him on another computer
Nov 16 11:01:09 <CosmoHill> unless the camera moves I don't need to look up
Nov 16 11:01:29 <alterego> Why doesn't pkg-config work in madde?
Nov 16 11:01:32 <nyezku> cool thanks i'll try
Nov 16 11:02:01 <nyezku> im newbie in linux
Nov 16 11:03:55 <odinm> inject some life info it man .... feels like N900 is dying in here ...
Nov 16 11:04:12 <CosmoHill> we had a presentation a bit like this yesterday
Nov 16 11:04:23 <Jucato> the Python one?
Nov 16 11:04:30 <CosmoHill> oh no, at university
Nov 16 11:04:31 <odinm> but isn't the N900 the coolest handset from nokia in many years....
Nov 16 11:04:33 <Jucato> ah
Nov 16 11:04:47 <Jucato> I think he didn't have his coffee break :)
Nov 16 11:04:47 <CosmoHill> 3310 fyi
Nov 16 11:04:59 <CosmoHill> *ftw
Nov 16 11:05:11 <Jucato> Nokia 3310?
Nov 16 11:05:36 <CosmoHill> when I got a phone I thought it was rubbish so I got a 3310 because everyone had one
Nov 16 11:05:48 <CosmoHill> tom broke the screen when he sat on it
Nov 16 11:05:55 <Jucato> O.o
Nov 16 11:06:03 <CosmoHill> he's a big guy
Nov 16 11:06:17 <odinm> the N900 developments must take a lot out of its' engineers
Nov 16 11:06:44 <odinm> i think they all deserve free red bull
Nov 16 11:06:56 <CosmoHill> I just get the weird feeling that the camera is very slowly zooming in
Nov 16 11:07:13 <Jucato> I have the weird feeling that my head is slowly going down -_-
Nov 16 11:07:28 <Jucato> Myrtti: he's done
Nov 16 11:07:30 <CosmoHill> Jucato: that's fine for me cos that's where my laptop is
Nov 16 11:08:00 <lardman> ouch, am getting some moire effects with that shirt :)
Nov 16 11:08:08 <CosmoHill> same here
Nov 16 11:08:25 <Jucato> OMG shoot his fashion adviser or whatever! :)
Nov 16 11:08:38 <lardman> just problematic on video
Nov 16 11:08:38 <CosmoHill> when we went on a school trip we were told by the studio not to wear stripped clothing
Nov 16 11:08:46 <lardman> AV guy, pan for your life!
Nov 16 11:08:56 <Myrtti> Jucato: brill, thanks
Nov 16 11:08:57 <lolloo> what is it?
Nov 16 11:09:03 <lolloo> slides pleeeaaaaase
Nov 16 11:09:04 <lardman> yay!
Nov 16 11:09:10 <CosmoHill> oh he's died
Nov 16 11:09:22 <Jucato> lol show off!
Nov 16 11:09:34 <lardman> what did he say was in the repo?
Nov 16 11:09:45 <CosmoHill> he's low on battery
Nov 16 11:09:52 <niala> yes
Nov 16 11:10:20 <CosmoHill> that explains why the AV guy zoomed in eariler
Nov 16 11:10:40 <lardman> ah busy indicator still doesn't line up :)
Nov 16 11:10:50 <nyezku> is there any method to update facebook via irc ?
Nov 16 11:10:53 <nyezku> is there any method to update facebook via irc ?
Nov 16 11:11:02 <CosmoHill> no idea
Nov 16 11:11:16 <CosmoHill> lardman: !! ENTER < lol
Nov 16 11:11:19 <Termana> nyezku, don't repeat yourself please
Nov 16 11:11:19 <Termana> nyezku, don't repeat yourself please
Nov 16 11:11:26 <Myrtti> great job in showing phone numbers ;-)
Nov 16 11:11:27 <CosmoHill> quickly get that number
Nov 16 11:11:31 <nyezku> sorry
Nov 16 11:11:34 <lardman> Now we all know Harri's personal phone # too :)
Nov 16 11:11:38 <Myrtti> nyezku: with bitlbee
Nov 16 11:11:44 <lolloo> !!answer
Nov 16 11:11:51 <nyezku> wew
Nov 16 11:12:02 <nyezku> Myrtti : what's that
Nov 16 11:12:17 <lardman> Why is app startup so slow?
Nov 16 11:12:21 <Jucato> WTF!
Nov 16 11:12:28 <Jucato> shit I forgot how low the live streaming sound was
Nov 16 11:12:38 <Jucato> I just got blasted by a system notification >.<
Nov 16 11:12:44 <Myrtti> nyezku: IRC to Instant Messaging gateway, technically an IRC server that connects to multiple Instant Messaging gateways
Nov 16 11:12:52 <access> lardman: lots of debug code?
Nov 16 11:12:54 <CosmoHill> wait, you can't charge the n900 via meego can you?
Nov 16 11:12:56 <nyezku> has anyone try jolicloud
Nov 16 11:13:12 <lardman> access: and perhaps no helper app to pre-load shared libs?
Nov 16 11:13:12 <Mece> CosmoHill, yea you can
Nov 16 11:13:17 <Myrtti> well, looks like the netbook would be about £450 through a corporate discount programme
Nov 16 11:13:17 <CosmoHill> ooo, since when?
Nov 16 11:13:52 <Termana> CosmoHill, you can - but the battery indicator doesn't show how much battery you have left
Nov 16 11:13:59 <CosmoHill> ah okay
Nov 16 11:14:05 <Tili> what is the link for live stream?
Nov 16 11:14:11 <CosmoHill> lol AV pointed at the wrong guy
Nov 16 11:14:14 <access> http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming
Nov 16 11:14:29 <Myrtti> Tili: it's also in the topic :-)
Nov 16 11:14:34 <lolloo> is that stskeeps?
Nov 16 11:14:39 <Tili> thanks
Nov 16 11:14:46 <lardman> volume up AV guys
Nov 16 11:14:54 <Tili> i don't see whole url on my client
Nov 16 11:15:09 <CosmoHill> eep my amp is at -34dB
Nov 16 11:15:18 <CosmoHill> if my AV updates now I won't be able to hear anything afterwards
Nov 16 11:15:27 <access> bit.ly/cJh0nw
Nov 16 11:16:46 <CosmoHill> holy poop that is Stskeeps
Nov 16 11:16:50 <lardman> cool, that's good news
Nov 16 11:17:00 <lardman> AV stuff developed on N900 Meego
Nov 16 11:17:48 <CosmoHill> I'm just waiting for him to say "as you can clearly see from this slide..."
Nov 16 11:18:04 <Jucato> he did say something like that earlier
Nov 16 11:19:05 <lardman> please someone in the audience kick the AV guy and ask him to up the volume
Nov 16 11:21:11 <Jucato> it's over? O.o
Nov 16 11:21:11 <lolloo> float32
Nov 16 11:21:24 <Jucato> rootbeer float
Nov 16 11:21:36 <lolloo> int is old time
Nov 16 11:21:38 <nyezku> hey guys
Nov 16 11:21:49 <nyezku> has anyone try jolicloud ?
Nov 16 11:21:50 <alsihad> how about the neo freerunner? i have one of those lying around
Nov 16 11:22:04 <stephg> woo namecheck :)
Nov 16 11:22:28 <Jucato> whoopsie
Nov 16 11:24:26 <WIIman> got megoo installed and no network drops yey
Nov 16 11:25:16 <CosmoHill> what's the IRC names of the first two guys?
Nov 16 11:25:17 <lardman> CosmoHill: there is at least one advantage of running Windows 7: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/vol.png
Nov 16 11:25:35 <CosmoHill> lol
Nov 16 11:25:41 <CosmoHill> wait I am running windows 7 :)
Nov 16 11:25:48 <lardman> lol x2
Nov 16 11:26:10 <lardman> right click volume icon in systray
Nov 16 11:26:34 <lardman> Could someone ask about the app startup slowness and what the cause is?
Nov 16 11:26:41 <CosmoHill> wow, it doesn't even fill a quarter of volume bar
Nov 16 11:27:05 <CosmoHill> lcukn900: <lardman> Could someone ask about the app startup slowness and what the cause is?
Nov 16 11:27:41 <CosmoHill> lol, handwarmer. that;'s like my 6220c when charging
Nov 16 11:28:45 <lardman> ah ok, so the prestarting is going to be part of that then
Nov 16 11:29:49 <CosmoHill> I wonder, would meego work on the $100 laptop
Nov 16 11:30:30 <Jucato> heheh lardman did you hear your name? :)
Nov 16 11:30:36 <lardman> I did :)
Nov 16 11:30:41 <lardman> thanks lcukn900
Nov 16 11:30:54 <CosmoHill> thanks lcukn900, now ask the AV guys to turn the volume up
Nov 16 11:30:59 <lardman> :)
Nov 16 11:31:09 <Jucato> oh that was lcuk? hehe
Nov 16 11:31:13 <niala> CosmoHill: ah my sound is good
Nov 16 11:31:23 <CosmoHill> it's good, but I have it damn loud
Nov 16 11:32:28 <frals> have to use the stream in my virtual ie, it shows 1sec of video and no sound in ff4 on my ubuntu :<
Nov 16 11:33:02 <Termana> Anyone want to ask about plans to further do power management beyond kernel power management (eg. screen lock etc.)
Nov 16 11:33:33 <Termana> You know what, I am going to kick the shit out something :P
Nov 16 11:33:36 <CosmoHill> lcukn900: quickly, wave at the camera!
Nov 16 11:33:50 <Termana> This happened yesterday as well :p Was about to ask a question and the session ended
Nov 16 11:34:00 <bef0rd> lol
Nov 16 11:34:50 <CosmoHill> "so what do you think...hey come back here I'm not finished with you yet!"
Nov 16 11:35:19 <alsihad> that's what you get for not going to the conference ;) (and no ideapad)
Nov 16 11:35:36 <Termana> alsihad, don't rub it in :p
Nov 16 11:35:49 <lcukn900> lol cosmohill
Nov 16 11:36:20 <sx0n> one suit spotted on camera
Nov 16 11:37:02 <CosmoHill> wait did I just miss lcukn900 waving at the camera
Nov 16 11:37:04 * araujo saw lcukn900 is with w00t_ there
Nov 16 11:37:13 <CosmoHill> dammit
Nov 16 11:37:19 <niala> is the guy at table on irc ?
Nov 16 11:37:33 <CosmoHill> is that a meego laptop in the bottom left?
Nov 16 11:37:47 <Myrtti> CosmoHill: could be
Nov 16 11:37:48 <lardman> do a CSI and zoom in and take a look :)
Nov 16 11:37:53 <niala> hey man shake your body if you are on irc :)
Nov 16 11:37:55 <bef0rd> looks like netbook ux
Nov 16 11:38:04 <CosmoHill> lardman: he's got a dead pixel
Nov 16 11:38:13 <sx0n> it can't be. *sunglasses* it is not ircing.... !!!YYEEEA
Nov 16 11:38:25 <Termana> stream cut?
Nov 16 11:38:32 <CosmoHill> yeah same here
Nov 16 11:38:36 <sx0n> cc
Nov 16 11:38:48 <WIIman> i realy like the zones thing
Nov 16 11:38:52 <CosmoHill> sx0n: I acidently did that to someone in reallife
Nov 16 11:39:21 <Myrtti> damnit, I forgot what I was doing
Nov 16 11:39:51 <sx0n> good time to have cup of coffee.
Nov 16 11:40:23 <sx0n> CosmoHill, did that someone notice it? :)
Nov 16 11:40:43 <CosmoHill> hope so
Nov 16 11:40:58 <CosmoHill> Myrtti: procrastinating?
Nov 16 11:41:33 <Myrtti> CosmoHill: no, I had a thought, I opened a new tab in my browser and... forgot
Nov 16 11:42:18 <CosmoHill> i hate it when that happens
Nov 16 11:42:54 <niala> starts again
Nov 16 11:42:56 <CosmoHill> you know what, I think that guy in the bottom left is on facebook
Nov 16 11:43:11 <CosmoHill> he's got a touch screen too
Nov 16 11:43:43 <CosmoHill> is that TSCHAK?
Nov 16 11:43:43 <niala> ggrrr I must  wake up of my sofa for fullscreen
Nov 16 11:44:23 <CosmoHill> I'm on full screen but now I'm at my desk it's kinda pixelated, from my bed it's nice cos you can't see the pixelations
Nov 16 11:44:49 * CosmoHill sees a friend join, says hi, sees them leave and think very bad words
Nov 16 11:45:08 <timeless_mbp> hey
Nov 16 11:45:14 <CosmoHill> hey timeless_mbp
Nov 16 11:45:22 <timeless_mbp> how do i get an n900 to show me a boot menu?
Nov 16 11:45:23 <lardman> pan to the slides AV guy
Nov 16 11:45:28 <timeless_mbp> this n900 isn't booting MeeGo properly
Nov 16 11:45:41 <timeless_mbp> alternatively, if someone wants to walk up to the front and help me get it to boot
Nov 16 11:46:07 <CosmoHill> on the way to timeless_mbp, cos someone tell the AV guy to pan
Nov 16 11:46:13 <CosmoHill> could*
Nov 16 11:46:19 <timeless_mbp> CosmoHill: i'm @Qt desk by front
Nov 16 11:46:27 <Mece> timeless_mbp, did you install uboot-pr1.3?
Nov 16 11:46:36 <timeless_mbp> Mece: not my n900 :)
Nov 16 11:46:44 <lardman> timeless_mbp: I've heard the AV guy in the main room knows how to fix that problem
Nov 16 11:46:51 <CosmoHill> rofl
Nov 16 11:46:53 <lardman> and while you're there ask him to do some panning
Nov 16 11:47:39 * lardman summons his imagination to visualise the graphs
Nov 16 11:47:39 <GAN900> Wee, TI marketing talk.
Nov 16 11:47:48 <GAN900> They're getting higher.
Nov 16 11:47:57 <lardman> GAN900: ask him about IVA
Nov 16 11:47:58 <CosmoHill> I wonder if the slides are online
Nov 16 11:48:18 <javispedro> GAN900: You should've gone to wazd's ;)
Nov 16 11:48:30 <GAN900> javispedro, still could.
Nov 16 11:48:43 <GAN900> CosmoHill, probably not yet, but probably later.
Nov 16 11:49:02 <CosmoHill> but the stream won't be avaiable later >.<
Nov 16 11:49:02 <lardman> in fact, ask him about SmartReflex
Nov 16 11:49:48 <niala> because they don't want we see his win7 powerpoint
Nov 16 11:50:28 * timeless_mbp pokes CosmoHill 
Nov 16 11:50:31 <CosmoHill> yes?
Nov 16 11:50:32 <lardman> GAN900: quick, describe!
Nov 16 11:50:43 <CosmoHill> I'm not at the conference btw
Nov 16 11:51:05 <GAN900> Bullet points!
Nov 16 11:51:14 <CosmoHill> niala: but Office 2010 is so nice :)
Nov 16 11:51:19 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, where are you hiding, I missed your talk yesterday.
Nov 16 11:51:23 <lardman> oh, it's true what they say about it being more exciting to not see everything then
Nov 16 11:51:45 <timeless_mbp> @Qt desk by front
Nov 16 11:52:33 <GAN900> Flashing empty battery animation!
Nov 16 11:52:39 <CosmoHill> <jermary clarkson>POWER!!!!</jermary clarkson>
Nov 16 11:52:54 <lardman> my word he even said it himself
Nov 16 11:52:59 <lardman> SmartReflex
Nov 16 11:53:16 <lardman> tell us more, give us docs
Nov 16 11:54:13 <CosmoHill> if that guy keeps walking forward we might get to see the slides
Nov 16 11:54:31 <GAN900> OMAP arch overview.
Nov 16 11:54:34 <Tili> some slides would be nice indeed.
Nov 16 11:54:58 <lardman> these are on the Ti website
Nov 16 11:55:23 <CosmoHill> http://www.pandaboard.org/node/223/#block
Nov 16 11:56:16 <GAN900> pie chart of TI optimizations.
Nov 16 11:56:50 <alsihad> <homer> hmmm, pie </homer>
Nov 16 11:57:06 <Myrtti> I thought that was weebl
Nov 16 11:57:39 <javispedro>  "kuler requires adobe flash 10" :(
Nov 16 11:57:58 <CosmoHill> hey slaine
Nov 16 11:58:18 <GAN900> blah blah blah slide
Nov 16 11:58:24 <CosmoHill> I do wonder why linux websites use flash
Nov 16 11:58:53 <slaine> CosmoHill: hey, how did you're presentation go ?
Nov 16 11:58:57 <alsihad> because apple hates flash and linux ppl hate apple
Nov 16 11:59:05 <timeless_mbp> CosmoHill: are you coming?
Nov 16 11:59:17 <timeless_mbp> this n900 is unhappy :)
Nov 16 11:59:48 <slaine> This OBS talk seems to be all about rpm's and not obs
Nov 16 12:00:26 <CosmoHill> timeless_mbp: no, I'm in england
Nov 16 12:00:31 <timeless_mbp> oh
Nov 16 12:00:32 <timeless_mbp> grr
Nov 16 12:00:42 <CosmoHill> also I don't have a n900
Nov 16 12:00:54 <snowpong> Any device announcements on meegoconf yet? Tablets? Netbooks? Phones?
Nov 16 12:01:08 <CosmoHill> snowpong: AMD made an annocement
Nov 16 12:01:12 <CosmoHill> i think it's on engage
Nov 16 12:01:27 <timeless_mbp> it made /.
Nov 16 12:01:43 <CosmoHill> slaine: it went, I didn't have a anxiety attack and our presentation didn't suck
Nov 16 12:01:51 <snowpong> CosmoHill: yeah, but that wasn't a consumer device, just that they'll support MeeGo?
Nov 16 12:01:54 <sivang> re all
Nov 16 12:02:03 <CosmoHill> duno I missed it
Nov 16 12:02:30 <slaine> snowpong: yes, that's all
Nov 16 12:02:48 <sivang> alterego: you here?
Nov 16 12:03:18 <slaine> will have interesting side affects for the x86 build (AMD devices don't have ssse3)
Nov 16 12:03:46 <CosmoHill> I can see there being 3 releases
Nov 16 12:04:04 <alterego> sivang: indeed
Nov 16 12:04:11 <CosmoHill> atom with SSSE3, x86 without SSSE3 and AMD with there non-intel compatable optimisation
Nov 16 12:04:13 <niala> yes what about atom sse3 accerelation if meego is only x86 ?
Nov 16 12:04:17 <sivang> alterego: What room, session?
Nov 16 12:04:26 <lardman> more omap3 info released?
Nov 16 12:04:26 <alterego> sivang: oh, not in dublin ;)
Nov 16 12:04:31 <lardman> or just omap4
Nov 16 12:04:33 <lardman> ?
Nov 16 12:04:33 <sivang> alterego: ah right :/
Nov 16 12:04:48 <alterego> Sorry :(
Nov 16 12:04:54 <CosmoHill> I'd like to see benchmarks of 32bit SSSE3, 32bit non-SSSE3 and 64bit non-SSSE3
Nov 16 12:05:42 <lardman> no, ask about SmartReflex and see if there are any docs
Nov 16 12:06:37 <lardman> hmm, everyone seems a bit shy, need some ringers placed in the audience to ask questions to get them warmed up
Nov 16 12:07:05 <CosmoHill> slaine: we each did our bit but we were told that they couldn't see how the sections joint together neatly
Nov 16 12:07:33 <CosmoHill> lardman: you want someone to start asking a question before he's finished asking if anyone wants to ask a question
Nov 16 12:08:09 <lardman> I know
Nov 16 12:08:20 <CosmoHill> "are there" "yes, several"
Nov 16 12:09:03 <lardman> oh right
Nov 16 12:09:25 <lardman> on the usual Ti doc page I guess?
Nov 16 12:09:34 <CosmoHill> odd question, are there any moderators about or are they all having lunch?
Nov 16 12:09:47 <javispedro> lunch? dammit
Nov 16 12:10:00 <lardman> probably all in Dublin
Nov 16 12:10:09 <CosmoHill> http://www.plushandblood.com/Comic.php < cool picture
Nov 16 12:15:24 * CosmoHill goes and programs a process ring..again
Nov 16 12:15:53 <CosmoHill> would someone mind shouting 5 mins before the presentions resume so I can boot my desktop?
Nov 16 12:16:26 <niala> ok
Nov 16 12:16:56 <CosmoHill> merci niala
Nov 16 12:19:20 <lardman> talk at 1pm on "Power Consumption" would be interesting to see
Nov 16 12:38:15 <CosmoHill> if I go offline, It means I've accidentally fork bombed myself
Nov 16 12:39:05 <stephg> ulimits!
Nov 16 12:52:22 <CosmoHill> if I have   ulimit(30) that will limit my program and it's children to 30 processes, right?
Nov 16 12:52:49 <CosmoHill> stephg: thank you very much, you just saved my laptop from crashing
Nov 16 12:59:49 <lardman> anyone else with a stream yet?
Nov 16 12:59:56 <lardman> s/else/
Nov 16 13:01:16 <CosmoHill> oh crap, thanks lardman
Nov 16 13:01:26 * CosmoHill boots his desktop
Nov 16 13:01:40 <CosmoHill> within an hour I've done a large amount of work
Nov 16 13:01:44 <lardman> this is your 5 minute warning
Nov 16 13:01:53 <CosmoHill> it's like recursive forking :/
Nov 16 13:02:11 <niala> CosmoHill: shutdown - r now
Nov 16 13:04:19 <CosmoHill> good timing, my podcast just ended
Nov 16 13:04:35 <niala> I m afraid my screen is like 'ring' the movie
Nov 16 13:05:09 <niala> i will be hypnotized
Nov 16 13:05:17 <odinm> afternoon sessions starting
Nov 16 13:05:33 <CosmoHill> niala: http://xkcd.com/396/
Nov 16 13:06:38 <lardman> anyone got video?
Nov 16 13:06:53 <CosmoHill> nope
Nov 16 13:08:19 <snowpong> has there been any announcement on binary compatibility promises around meego releases?
Nov 16 13:09:10 <niala> only 12h at dublin right ?
Nov 16 13:09:47 <niala> no 13
Nov 16 13:10:11 <Stskeeps> snowpong: for arm we might have to break abi, which we have to do to get proper performance..
Nov 16 13:11:03 * Chani notes that the stores here do not have aluminum-free deodorant
Nov 16 13:11:15 <aparna> is the live streaming working?
Nov 16 13:11:17 <Myrtti> no
Nov 16 13:11:57 <Jaffa> Chani: Does it affect your circuitry? ;-)
Nov 16 13:12:37 <Jaffa> Chani: I've got some in my room from a few different countries, but it might smell a little manly (well, I hope it does)
Nov 16 13:12:57 <Myrtti> Body Shop White Musk ♥
Nov 16 13:13:21 <Jaffa> Still freezing in President's Terrace. Deodorant isn't going to be needed...
Nov 16 13:13:28 <lardman> Stskeeps: how much of a performance boost do you get by passing floats in the correct registers then?
Nov 16 13:13:59 <snowpong> Stskeeps: break abi once and then "done", or again and again?
Nov 16 13:14:13 <lardman> hey Jaffa can you go and ask the AV guy to start the stream going?
Nov 16 13:14:26 <Jucato> am I late?
Nov 16 13:14:31 <Jucato> oh no streaming yet
Nov 16 13:15:03 <CosmoHill> yay it's back
Nov 16 13:15:04 <sx0n> now
Nov 16 13:15:06 <lardman> ah, there we go
Nov 16 13:15:12 <lardman> thanks Jaffa if that was you
Nov 16 13:15:42 <Jaffa> lardman: No, wasn't me.
Nov 16 13:15:49 <lardman> ok :)
Nov 16 13:15:57 <Jaffa> But I'll take the credit ;-)
Nov 16 13:16:05 <lardman> :D
Nov 16 13:16:14 <Stskeeps> snowpong: hopefully its the last time we have to do it on arch level
Nov 16 13:16:28 <Stskeeps> snowpong: its with a heavy heart but its now or never
Nov 16 13:16:42 <lardman> Stskeeps: severe GCC fiddling too then?
Nov 16 13:17:18 <Stskeeps> lardman: no, just --with-float-abi=hard or something
Nov 16 13:17:31 <lardman> oh ok, so not so bad then
Nov 16 13:18:50 <CosmoHill> hey Stskeeps
Nov 16 13:19:19 <lardman> Is someone going to ask this chap about Ovi App store and paying for the pleasure to distribute through it?
Nov 16 13:19:28 <lardman> or rather needing to be a company
Nov 16 13:20:53 <ColKilkenny> ovi is open for individuals as well
Nov 16 13:21:16 <lardman> hmm, ok thinga must have changed then, no worries
Nov 16 13:21:45 <mikeleib> thebootroo_: did you ever file abug for your crashers?
Nov 16 13:21:48 <alterego> lardman: you still need to register one off for 50 euro
Nov 16 13:21:51 <alterego> But that's it.
Nov 16 13:21:51 <ColKilkenny> yeah, they made the change few months ago (or at least announced it)
Nov 16 13:21:54 <sx0n> currently no.
Nov 16 13:22:10 <lardman> alterego: ah ok, that's not too bad
Nov 16 13:22:19 <slaine> why does qt-creator look like shit on my meego install
Nov 16 13:22:35 <sx0n> they have some campaign going.
Nov 16 13:22:41 <slaine> fonts aren't aliased and look really jaggy
Nov 16 13:22:44 <sx0n> *ovi
Nov 16 13:22:47 <Jucato> streaming went down?
Nov 16 13:22:51 <lardman> nope
Nov 16 13:23:00 <Jucato> damn :(
Nov 16 13:23:07 <lardman> alterego: not too bad unless you have free sw that is of course
Nov 16 13:23:14 <alterego> lardman: indeed ;)
Nov 16 13:23:19 <Jaffa> alterego: I think it's 1EUR now
Nov 16 13:23:32 <alterego> Jaffa: seriously?
Nov 16 13:23:38 <alterego> Wow, that's even better.
Nov 16 13:23:40 * alterego registers.
Nov 16 13:23:41 <lardman> ah ok so it's improved significantly, good good
Nov 16 13:23:59 <sx0n> yep. that's amount that we pay about it. i don't know how long that lasts
Nov 16 13:24:25 <luisbg-pi> hi everyone :)
Nov 16 13:25:00 <luisbg-pi> I try to run the handset runtime for qemu but it crashed while loading (grey screen and when the screen is going to switch, it crashes)
Nov 16 13:25:44 <CosmoHill> my Virtual Memory size is 61GB...
Nov 16 13:26:44 <GAN900> Who's in the security talk?
Nov 16 13:26:44 <lardman> come on AV guy, pan the camera
Nov 16 13:28:30 <Jucato> camachile developer?
Nov 16 13:28:35 * mikeleib is in the security talk
Nov 16 13:28:57 * Jucato is just watching the stream
Nov 16 13:29:04 * timoph is listening Dawn
Nov 16 13:29:14 <Jucato> ah "commercial" >.<
Nov 16 13:29:28 <luisbg-pi> can I watch the previous talks online, or they haven't been posted yet? usually it takes a few weeks
Nov 16 13:29:30 <alsihad> re free software; flattr in ovi store?
Nov 16 13:29:56 <timoph> some of the yesterdays talks were already online
Nov 16 13:30:36 <lardman> luisbg-pi: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule
Nov 16 13:30:38 <GAN900> Hooray Google
Nov 16 13:30:45 <timoph> :)
Nov 16 13:32:10 <luisbg-pi> lardman, thanks!
Nov 16 13:32:16 <lardman> np
Nov 16 13:32:44 <CosmoHill> is that lcukn900?
Nov 16 13:33:36 <Myrtti> the microphone!!!!!!11111
Nov 16 13:34:35 <sx0n> *claps*
Nov 16 13:35:14 <luisbg-pi> the live streaming has problems with the deinterlacing
Nov 16 13:35:15 <lardman> could someone go and ask the AV guy if he can pan across to the slides if there are any
Nov 16 13:35:27 <lardman> yeah it's a bit jagged
Nov 16 13:35:29 <Jucato> I miss the elevator music
Nov 16 13:35:43 <lardman> Jucato: yeah, not so keen on the stuff with words :)
Nov 16 13:35:44 <luisbg-pi> Jucato, it's Dave Mathews Band right now
Nov 16 13:36:41 <luisbg-pi> lardman, btw, I was asking about previous talks, not the live stream. the talks that have been finished already aren't available yet as far as I see
Nov 16 13:37:05 <lardman> some are, on that page, click on the talk and it may have a vid embedded
Nov 16 13:37:16 <luisbg-pi> ahhh, looked at the wrong on then :P
Nov 16 13:38:44 <lardman> who is this anyway, Counting Crows?
Nov 16 13:39:06 <luisbg-pi> lardman, Dave Mathews Band
Nov 16 13:39:14 <lardman> oh ok
Nov 16 13:39:21 <Myrtti> weird music for such a stream
Nov 16 13:39:31 <Myrtti> want the elevator music back
Nov 16 13:39:35 <mikeleib> the streams have music?
Nov 16 13:39:36 <lardman> educational for me at least ;)
Nov 16 13:39:46 <lardman> mikeleib: only inbetween sessions
Nov 16 13:40:28 <JPohlmann> They had some post-rock stuff there yesterday. Could be a lot worse, really ;)
Nov 16 13:40:31 <niala> Myrtti: yes i vote for elevator music
Nov 16 13:41:36 * CosmoHill growls at his program
Nov 16 13:44:01 <niala> I don't like very much this music
Nov 16 13:44:13 <niala> singer is tortured
Nov 16 13:46:22 <Jucato> in response, they turned down the audio :)
Nov 16 13:47:11 <Mece> what's been interesting today on meegoconf?
Nov 16 13:47:34 <jnwi> Interesting right now: someone at the next table is actually using a Vertu
Nov 16 13:47:54 <Jucato> "no elevator music", "don't wear thinly striped clothes on camera", "still no panning to show slides" would be the highlights so far
Nov 16 13:47:56 <sx0n> community anti-pattern presentation was interesting
Nov 16 13:48:21 <Jucato> yeah too bad I only caught it near the end. Dave Neary was interesting
Nov 16 13:48:24 <Jucato> I mean his talk :)
Nov 16 13:48:50 <Myrtti> "volume is too low" "could you please repeat the question, or give the bloke a mic!"
Nov 16 13:51:03 <lardman> ah, X-Fade and lbt
Nov 16 13:51:14 <CosmoHill> who's who?
Nov 16 13:51:30 <lardman> same way I wrote it
Nov 16 13:51:40 <CosmoHill> lbt is on the right?
Nov 16 13:51:58 * Myrtti swoos over the accent
Nov 16 13:52:15 <CosmoHill> ^.^
Nov 16 13:52:19 <sx0n> audience is getting wild...
Nov 16 13:53:01 <Mece> who is this guy speaking?
Nov 16 13:53:07 <CosmoHill> x-fade
Nov 16 13:53:11 <Myrtti> after hearing more or less broken English it's refreshing to hear lbt
Nov 16 13:53:22 <Mece> oo nice
Nov 16 13:53:22 <Myrtti> Ronan's was nice
Nov 16 13:53:26 <CosmoHill> you just love his accent :p
Nov 16 13:53:35 <Mece> where's he from?
Nov 16 13:53:49 <CosmoHill> I get him confused with lcuk all the time :/
Nov 16 13:54:16 <Mece> is this lcuk?
Nov 16 13:54:17 <sx0n> no beer stains on t-shirt..
Nov 16 13:54:22 <Mece> LOL
Nov 16 13:54:50 <Myrtti> Mece: lbt
Nov 16 13:55:02 <Mece> Myrtti, ok.
Nov 16 13:55:13 <hena> babys is spamming
Nov 16 13:55:50 <CosmoHill> x-fade is on the left in the shirt, lbt is on the right in the meego t-shirt
Nov 16 13:56:03 <npm> what's the talk being given now? (confused about schedule/timezones/etc)
Nov 16 13:56:04 <Stskeeps> Myrtti: it does?
Nov 16 13:56:10 <Stskeeps> npm: community obs
Nov 16 13:56:12 <Myrtti> Stskeeps: didn't for me
Nov 16 13:56:26 <GAN900> sx0n, indeed.
Nov 16 13:56:32 <Stskeeps> hena: paste in private please
Nov 16 13:56:39 <GAN900> CosmoHill, yes.
Nov 16 13:56:42 <hena> i closed the window already :/
Nov 16 13:57:09 <CosmoHill> just noticed, lbt hasn't bothered to put the mic up his shirt
Nov 16 13:57:23 <Saviq> oops, there's a 404 on https://build.pub.meego.com/ ?
Nov 16 13:57:49 <CosmoHill> I don't think it's up yet
Nov 16 13:58:00 <Saviq> 0well, it was supposed to be live right now ;
Nov 16 13:58:01 <CosmoHill> iirc that domain wasn't even working last week
Nov 16 14:02:16 <RevdKathy> Am I here?
Nov 16 14:02:18 <stephg> no
Nov 16 14:02:37 <RevdKathy> Oh, that's good to know. Never used webchat
Nov 16 14:02:39 <Mece> yay!
Nov 16 14:02:51 <GAN900> RevdKathy, it's horific.
Nov 16 14:02:52 <Mece> RevdKathy, Hi
Nov 16 14:03:07 <RevdKathy> Scary, isn't it. That damned bear gets everywhere now.
Nov 16 14:03:11 <Saviq> oh cbuild
Nov 16 14:03:20 <CosmoHill> cbuild.meego.com << working temp URL for the COBS
Nov 16 14:03:31 <Saviq> nope
Nov 16 14:03:36 <Saviq> 404
Nov 16 14:03:38 <Saviq> lol :)
Nov 16 14:03:39 <Mek> https://cbuild.meego.com/
Nov 16 14:03:41 <Mek> works perfectly
Nov 16 14:03:48 <CosmoHill> bugger me
Nov 16 14:03:55 <CosmoHill> it worked 5 mins ago when I tried it
Nov 16 14:03:55 <GAN900> RevdKathy, it's horific.
Nov 16 14:03:57 <Saviq> ah ok
Nov 16 14:04:01 <GAN900> No thanks.
Nov 16 14:04:01 <Saviq> an s
Nov 16 14:04:13 <CosmoHill> Mek: it worked 5 mins ago but now I have 404 too
Nov 16 14:04:16 * GAN900 complains about the N900 keyboard again.
Nov 16 14:04:22 <Saviq> CosmoHill: https
Nov 16 14:04:22 <Mek> it still works for me
Nov 16 14:04:25 <Mek> with https
Nov 16 14:04:27 <Mek> not with http
Nov 16 14:04:36 <frals> o/ RevdKathy
Nov 16 14:04:36 <Saviq> the redirect's probably not there
Nov 16 14:04:41 <CosmoHill> ah yes, thanks
Nov 16 14:04:57 <RevdKathy> That looks a little scary for me. I did my day's quota of stuff in terminal. I've run out of valium.
Nov 16 14:05:25 <Saviq> lbt_away: when you get of the stage, can you please enable my account on the community obs?
Nov 16 14:05:26 <CosmoHill> oo I like that, if nobody tests it it gets bumped to the super testers
Nov 16 14:08:26 <npm> QUESTION: What about piggybacking on top of rpmfusion (c.f. "meegolem")
Nov 16 14:08:31 <CosmoHill> good man lbt_away
Nov 16 14:09:27 <npm> ( http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/pipermail/planetccrma/2010-September/017212.html )
Nov 16 14:13:24 <lardman> hmm, my N900 seems to be locked in portrait mode with meego
Nov 16 14:13:34 <lardman> oh no it's just moved back
Nov 16 14:17:01 <Mece> lardman, it sometimes needs a shake :)
Nov 16 14:17:32 <lardman> ok
Nov 16 14:17:37 <petteri> just started watching the stream, who are speaking now?
Nov 16 14:18:06 <lardman> X-Fade on LHS, LBT on RHS
Nov 16 14:18:39 <lardman> Mece: how does one reboot - battery pull?
Nov 16 14:19:06 <stephg> lardman, power button down for about 15 seconds
Nov 16 14:19:21 <stephg> lardman, or init 6 from an xterm/ssh session
Nov 16 14:19:23 <lardman> thanks stephg
Nov 16 14:19:32 <CosmoHill> lbt looks zoned out
Nov 16 14:19:37 <CosmoHill> oh he's back now
Nov 16 14:21:22 <CosmoHill> oo, someone from TI with a mac
Nov 16 14:22:56 <sx0n> this is good session too imho
Nov 16 14:24:08 <CosmoHill> indeed, a lot more questions too
Nov 16 14:24:42 <CosmoHill> the other sessions normally get silence when they ask for questions
Nov 16 14:26:13 <Myrtti> whoa, when did it get that late
Nov 16 14:28:00 <sx0n> *claps*
Nov 16 14:28:02 <npm> clapclap
Nov 16 14:28:30 * npm goes to feed kid breakfast before school
Nov 16 14:28:40 <lassemon> hi, anyone able to help me?: when trying to build rpm package for meego the rpm throws out bad exit status from /var/tmp/... (%build) and the last thing it tries to do is run qmake and it shows qmake Usage list
Nov 16 14:28:55 <niala> Jucato: meego's music again
Nov 16 14:28:58 <lardman> yay, they've listened to us :)
Nov 16 14:29:31 <lardman> how long does the ml take to send you a password reminder normally?
Nov 16 14:30:04 <niala> on meego.com ?
Nov 16 14:30:30 <Myrtti> lardman: afaik it should be fairly instant
Nov 16 14:30:31 <lardman> yeah, just changing back my diogest settings for all the lists
Nov 16 14:30:35 <lardman> hmm
Nov 16 14:30:49 <Jucato> niala: streaming stopped :(
Nov 16 14:31:13 <Myrtti> I don't understand why it stopped
Nov 16 14:31:26 <lardman> coffee break now I think
Nov 16 14:31:27 <Jucato> 20 minute break
Nov 16 14:31:31 <Jucato> too long to keep running :)
Nov 16 14:32:09 <Myrtti> *shrug*
Nov 16 14:32:13 <Myrtti> I would've kept it
Nov 16 14:33:27 <niala> Jucato: financial crisis in world , economy of energy, we should sing
Nov 16 14:36:50 <niala> The Ring II
Nov 16 14:51:08 <berndhs> maybe Ireland fell in the ocean again
Nov 16 14:51:37 <javispedro> break time
Nov 16 14:52:58 <berndhs> schedule says next talk starts 15 mins ago :)
Nov 16 14:53:06 <Jucato> :)
Nov 16 14:53:13 <CosmoHill> I hear music
Nov 16 14:53:21 <berndhs> i saw movement
Nov 16 14:53:42 <CosmoHill> this dude looks like young
Nov 16 14:53:49 <CosmoHill> *kinda
Nov 16 14:53:58 <Jucato> yeah young
Nov 16 14:54:05 <Jucato> and the music was freaky :)
Nov 16 14:54:30 <CosmoHill> I was about to say, he looks fuzzy but then the camera focused
Nov 16 14:54:43 <Jucato> hahaha
Nov 16 14:54:47 <Jucato> young and fuzzy :)
Nov 16 14:55:07 <berndhs> its the finnish diet, he is actually 78 years old
Nov 16 14:55:17 <CosmoHill> lol, "lying on his sofa at home"
Nov 16 14:55:42 <CosmoHill> hey lbt, that was a good session
Nov 16 14:55:51 <CosmoHill> and kudos for getting people to use the mic
Nov 16 14:55:59 <Jucato> CosmoHill: that's Stskeeps' current job too
Nov 16 14:56:19 <CosmoHill> being young, fuzzy and programming from a sofa?
Nov 16 14:56:44 <GAN900> It's tekojo.
Nov 16 14:57:07 <lardman> oops, missed the start
Nov 16 14:57:52 <Mece> is the stream working for you?
Nov 16 14:57:56 <lardman> yep
Nov 16 14:57:56 <CosmoHill> yes
Nov 16 14:58:08 <lardman> I was on the phone, didn't realise it had started
Nov 16 14:58:17 <CosmoHill> out of the creepy music and the fuzz tekojo emerged
Nov 16 14:58:40 * CosmoHill offers biscuits
Nov 16 14:58:50 <Jucato> not working for me anymore. but understandable because my sis is home downloading stuff :)
Nov 16 14:59:48 * Jucato really can't get used to Finnish accent
Nov 16 14:59:50 <Mece> i've got 0.2fps and no sound...
Nov 16 14:59:51 <GAN900> Jucato, QoS
Nov 16 15:00:23 <CosmoHill> his english is very good
Nov 16 15:00:29 <berndhs> its getting here ok, so problem is not at the source
Nov 16 15:00:37 <Mece> crap.
Nov 16 15:01:29 * npm thinks quality and understandability of telecasting is great
Nov 16 15:02:40 <Mece> yeah it has been really good, but i seem to be suffering from network problems here.
Nov 16 15:03:04 <CosmoHill> oo, internal feedback system, nice
Nov 16 15:03:54 <berndhs> about 1/2 of these talks are without slide ?
Nov 16 15:04:11 <JPohlmann> Yep
Nov 16 15:04:16 <JPohlmann> Unfortunately they are
Nov 16 15:04:41 <Jucato> not "without slides". just not shown in the camera :)
Nov 16 15:04:49 <Jucato> the talks have slides I mean
Nov 16 15:04:56 <niala> berndhs: 100%
Nov 16 15:05:08 <berndhs> the way he talks you can't really tell if there are slides with it
Nov 16 15:05:20 <JPohlmann> Nah. Talks with hacking involved were panned between speaker and screen
Nov 16 15:05:24 <Myrtti> which is why they're not shown ;-)
Nov 16 15:05:27 <JPohlmann> So it's not 100%
Nov 16 15:06:35 <ColKilkenny> #meego mentioned \o/
Nov 16 15:06:43 <berndhs> all these presenters are movie star material, I know that, but seen slides would be nice too :)
Nov 16 15:06:48 <Mece> \o/
Nov 16 15:07:00 * dm8tbr seconds berndhs 
Nov 16 15:07:17 <Mece> berndhs, some more than other
Nov 16 15:07:24 <alsihad> more often than not, slides are just distracting, imho
Nov 16 15:07:46 <alsihad> should only be used if you want to show code and fear the demo gods ;)
Nov 16 15:07:46 <berndhs> yeah but these are great slides :)
Nov 16 15:07:51 <npm> slides are best distributed by HTTP
Nov 16 15:08:29 <berndhs> npm: yes, before the talk
Nov 16 15:09:01 <alsihad> speaking of distractions...
Nov 16 15:09:06 * alsihad turns of stream, gets back to work
Nov 16 15:09:13 <riot> hmhm. just installed the current netbook release in virtualbox, after install and accountsetup i get a black screen :/
Nov 16 15:09:43 <smoku> most of the speakers use the slides as a cheat-sheet for the speach, so you do not loose much
Nov 16 15:10:07 <berndhs> it still helps to see the structure of the talk
Nov 16 15:10:11 <Mece> ffs! my network seems fine. but I still can't get this crap to work! grr!
Nov 16 15:10:26 <Mece> this crap being the stream
Nov 16 15:10:38 <dm8tbr> berndhs: IMHO somethign like that would be awesome in terms of video presentation - http://www.tvagile.com/2009/07/24/scrum-at-large-managing-100-people-and-more/
Nov 16 15:11:11 <berndhs> yes combined stuff like that
Nov 16 15:14:31 <GAN900> dm8tbr, pitch it on the lists.
Nov 16 15:15:48 <smoku> berndhs: for me it's a distraction. i just red the whole slide and waiting for the next ;)
Nov 16 15:17:35 <berndhs> smoku: then dont read the text :)
Nov 16 15:18:07 <smoku> can't help it :D
Nov 16 15:18:14 <berndhs> turn off the video
Nov 16 15:18:50 <riot> live-booting doesn't work either. :((
Nov 16 15:18:51 <smoku> you mean close my eyes?
Nov 16 15:19:02 <berndhs> yeah
Nov 16 15:19:11 <berndhs> or look someplace else
Nov 16 15:19:41 <berndhs> just because there are slides doesnt mean you have to look
Nov 16 15:20:05 <smoku> i would asleep then probably ;) and snore
Nov 16 15:20:55 <smoku> there are slides and i cannot stop myself from reading ahead
Nov 16 15:22:08 <alsihad> smoku: look at your irc client. that surely won't distract you ;)
Nov 16 15:22:21 <smoku> there were some good presentations wich used slides as visualisation aid for the speach
Nov 16 15:22:30 <lardman> this working for anyone else?: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-October/thread.html
Nov 16 15:22:50 <alsihad> i share this compulsive reading disorder. which is why i mostly avoid movies with subtitles
Nov 16 15:22:53 <CosmoHill> ahhh loud
Nov 16 15:23:08 <berndhs> lardman: i see a list of mails
Nov 16 15:23:15 <lardman> try clicking a mail
Nov 16 15:23:34 <JPohlmann> lardman: No, broken
Nov 16 15:23:40 <lardman> ok, thanks
Nov 16 15:23:44 <berndhs> sample of 2 clicks says "Not Found"
Nov 16 15:33:10 <lardman> I don't recommend getting up at 5.30am, I'm having troubles staying awake here
Nov 16 15:33:14 <CosmoHill> "where the hell is the start menu?"
Nov 16 15:33:39 <lardman> CosmoHill: in the middle at the bottom
Nov 16 15:33:59 <Razur> Hello, I am wondering if that is possible to install MeeGo on Nokia n97?
Nov 16 15:34:06 <lardman> no
Nov 16 15:34:09 <CosmoHill> only if you port it
Nov 16 15:34:32 <Razur> okey thanks
Nov 16 15:34:38 <Razur> i think thats the worst phone ever i had :\
Nov 16 15:34:57 <berndhs> razur: send it to me, i'll port meego :)
Nov 16 15:35:14 <riot> hmm. the xserver keeps restarting :(
Nov 16 15:35:16 <Razur> sure :P, i will try it myself maybe later
Nov 16 15:35:19 <lardman> berndhs: you know we'll hold you to that
Nov 16 15:35:34 <berndhs> it could take me some time
Nov 16 15:35:47 * lardman watchs mountains grow
Nov 16 15:35:54 <CosmoHill> aren't N97s bricks?
Nov 16 15:37:23 <Razur> yeh a bit
Nov 16 15:37:42 <Razur> meh at least i can install Qt for n97
Nov 16 15:37:44 <berndhs> you might need several of them to support 1 meego
Nov 16 15:37:47 <Razur> so i will have fun killing it :D
Nov 16 15:37:59 <pupnik> what are the minimum resolution requirements for meego?
Nov 16 15:38:24 <CosmoHill> they look almost ready
Nov 16 15:39:00 <pupnik> it's an interesting quesiton for lots of reasons
Nov 16 15:40:46 <berndhs> pupnik: is there a minimum resolution, and if so, why ?
Nov 16 15:40:54 <smoku> pupnik: none. i have a meego installation running headless
Nov 16 15:41:09 <Stskeeps>       
Nov 16 15:41:32 <pupnik> berndhs: because resolution sets the upper bound of what you can display on a 2D screen
Nov 16 15:41:54 <berndhs> yes but why would there be a minimum ?
Nov 16 15:42:18 <lardman> pupnik: the ui is not part of the core
Nov 16 15:42:21 <lardman> afaiu
Nov 16 15:42:26 <riot> nope, even the mentioned solution to manually start firstboot doesn't fix it. I still get INIT-respawn-too-fast-errors
Nov 16 15:42:33 <CosmoHill> .o/
Nov 16 15:42:43 <CosmoHill> oh wait, he can't see that
Nov 16 15:43:36 <pupnik> berndhs: because if there isn't, apps will be unreadable on some devices
Nov 16 15:43:47 <Mat_Matan> hi
Nov 16 15:44:05 <berndhs> pupnik: that assumes that the core specifies how things are displayed
Nov 16 15:44:31 <berndhs> pupnik: of *if* things are displayed
Nov 16 15:44:32 <pupnik> is the core associated with a set of apps ?   (not yet! hahah)
Nov 16 15:46:31 <pupnik> but i understand your point.  how would you apply the question to the handset-ux?
Nov 16 15:46:54 <pupnik> ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtQsOb6mO0A
Nov 16 15:47:02 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtQsOb6mO0A
Nov 16 15:47:06 <berndhs> i can imaging handsets without displays
Nov 16 15:47:36 <berndhs> s/ging/gine
Nov 16 15:47:39 <riot> i don't even get the netbook edition to display anything.
Nov 16 15:50:16 <slaine> Hey folks, updated my broadcom wifi src rpm to match the latest upstream broadcom
Nov 16 15:50:29 <riot> only output i get is "Process meego-power-ico (pid: FOO, ti=BAR, task=qux task.ti=baz)" + INIT-Respawn-Error after 9 X-Crashes.
Nov 16 15:50:37 <slaine> they bumped the version and removed the version I was pulling down
Nov 16 15:55:03 <lardman> let me know what happens, I'm heading home, bbiab
Nov 16 15:58:30 <npm> back from dropping off kid at school... what talk are we on?
Nov 16 15:59:50 <riot> damn. I want a debian-phone :(
Nov 16 16:00:32 * riot is sick of all these "phone-operatingsystems"...
Nov 16 16:00:59 <berndhs> riot: all coponents properly aged like good wine ?
Nov 16 16:01:28 <riot> berndhs: i don't know what you're talking about. You probably neither.
Nov 16 16:01:55 <berndhs> yeah that must be it
Nov 16 16:01:57 <alsihad> berndhs: either that, or all components unstable like nitroglycerin (scnr)
Nov 16 16:02:39 <riot> hm. Debian works on _all_ my machines. With quite very recent package-versions. Whereas all the mobile operating systems (except maemo4.... *sigh*) don't.
Nov 16 16:03:11 <slaine> yeah, debian's great
Nov 16 16:03:36 <riot> i've seen too many of these "mobile distros" fly by and die. Debian has proven itself again and again over so much time.
Nov 16 16:03:53 <slaine> especially on phones
Nov 16 16:03:59 <slaine> oh wait...
Nov 16 16:04:20 <stephg> heh
Nov 16 16:04:58 <berndhs> well, debian hasn't died on any phones that I know of, I see the point
Nov 16 16:10:11 <slaine> saving battery for the sdk BoF, bbl
Nov 16 16:31:08 <npm> how do people watch the live stream on a n900 running maemo? (the flashplayer doesn't seem to work in the webrowser)
Nov 16 16:32:16 <npm> and rtmp://quango.netromedia.net/quango doesn't seem to be a stream
Nov 16 16:32:36 <access> you need to identify and add the stream id also
Nov 16 16:32:44 <access> no stream running atm though
Nov 16 16:33:50 <npm> access: got the "format" of the rtmp URI ?
Nov 16 16:34:28 <access> sorry, no
Nov 16 16:34:44 <access> can try to figure it out when the stream starts again
Nov 16 16:35:03 <npm> thanks.
Nov 16 16:35:21 <lardman> re
Nov 16 16:35:25 <npm> i would imagine kmplayer would be able to play it directly
Nov 16 16:37:08 <lardman> anyone else got video yet?
Nov 16 16:37:16 <CosmoHill> nope
Nov 16 16:40:42 <lardman> anyone there in person? Has the talk started?
Nov 16 16:40:47 <lokesh> who can help me getting Meego running on my touchscreen laptop
Nov 16 16:40:49 <lokesh> ???
Nov 16 16:41:04 <lardman> ah video, good
Nov 16 16:41:44 <piratephlox> yesterday I read on pcmag about the amd join to meego, and they were like, and LG builds the first MeeGo Phone, any updates on that? Since their article is from Feburary about it: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359918,00.asp
Nov 16 16:41:48 <GAN900> Lots of people in the Handset UX session expecting big things.
Nov 16 16:42:11 <crashanddie> GAN900, how is the tablet?
Nov 16 16:42:12 <tripzero> :S
Nov 16 16:42:59 <lardman> lokesh: tried the meego wiki?
Nov 16 16:43:46 <lokesh> yes.. the thing is I am using HP smart which comes with ATI graphics card
Nov 16 16:44:03 <lokesh> I installed the ati-driver, then was able to see the Meego UI
Nov 16 16:44:09 <lardman> probably not the best time now as everyone's watching live video of the Meego conf
Nov 16 16:44:10 <tripzero> who is doing the handset ux session?
Nov 16 16:44:16 <lokesh> but now the problem I have is my touchscreen doesnt work
Nov 16 16:44:20 <tripzero> there's a live video?
Nov 16 16:44:23 <tripzero> linky?
Nov 16 16:44:31 <lardman> that will have a separate driver anyway
Nov 16 16:44:36 <lardman> http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming
Nov 16 16:44:40 <lokesh> who has that driver
Nov 16 16:44:45 <lardman> no idea
Nov 16 16:45:00 * npm still can't figure out rtmp url out of above for direct viewing w/o flash
Nov 16 16:45:27 <npm> (in case i need to move to a different room for a moment and want to watch on n900 :-) )
Nov 16 16:46:01 <npm> access ??
Nov 16 16:46:49 <access> rtmp://quango.netromedia.net/quango/quango
Nov 16 16:46:55 <npm> aha!
Nov 16 16:47:18 <lardman> slides of any interest?
Nov 16 16:48:04 <access> if they'd only show them yeah
Nov 16 16:48:28 <lardman> I was just wondering if he was showing anything of interest or not
Nov 16 16:48:34 <access> don't know if the current guy is using any slides though?!
Nov 16 16:48:44 <lardman> he keeps pressing a button
Nov 16 16:50:05 <access> mm, someone should tell the camera guy
Nov 16 16:50:19 <npm> access: rtmp://quango.netromedia.net/quango/quango works, but not on n900 (yet)
Nov 16 16:50:35 <npm> but it's nice watching in mplayer directly on my desktop :-)
Nov 16 16:50:37 <access>     Stream #0.0: Video: vp6f, yuv420p, 720x576, 25 tbr, 1k tbn, 1k tbc
Nov 16 16:50:37 <access>     Stream #0.1: Audio: mp3, 22050 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 64 kb/s
Nov 16 16:50:42 <access> ah
Nov 16 16:52:19 <lardman> pupnik: this might be what you're asking about - handset profile to be established by 1.2
Nov 16 16:52:54 <lardman> hmm, 512Mb RAM min
Nov 16 16:54:36 <access> nmp rtmpdump + ffplay works on my N900
Nov 16 16:57:24 <lardman> DLTE?
Nov 16 16:57:51 <lardman> ah a data transfer standard
Nov 16 16:57:51 <Mek> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution ?
Nov 16 16:58:00 <lardman> yeah sounds right from context
Nov 16 16:58:01 <lardman> thanks
Nov 16 17:00:18 <npm> heh featurezilla
Nov 16 17:00:38 * npm created issuezilla
Nov 16 17:00:48 <npm> s/created/hacked
Nov 16 17:01:27 <sabotage> should be called frankenzilla...
Nov 16 17:02:22 <npm> that's what it was 10 years ago. pure sausage
Nov 16 17:02:38 <lardman> so where is this featurezilla? I can't seem to find it under bugs.meego.com
Nov 16 17:03:46 <sabotage> that's why it's frankenzilla... it's all "integrated"
Nov 16 17:04:13 <lardman> ah ok, I just need to choose my search terms better
Nov 16 17:04:33 <sabotage> go to "search" and select "MeeGo Features" for the classification
Nov 16 17:04:42 <lardman> someone ask if it will support MMS ;)
Nov 16 17:05:05 <npm> "MeeGo Featurezilla is essentially the same Bugzilla database we use for bugs, with a few tweaks to better fit requirement management"
Nov 16 17:06:05 <npm> wow 10 year old easter eggs still there "Zarro Boogs found." ( http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=MeeGo%20Features/ )
Nov 16 17:08:56 <GAN900> crashanddie, there aren't enough of them.
Nov 16 17:09:06 <GAN900> crashanddie, they MAY be getting more tomorrow.
Nov 16 17:09:32 * CosmoHill rages cos he's so close to finishing his program but is stuck
Nov 16 17:10:12 <npm> ( http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=Meego+Features is correct url )
Nov 16 17:10:41 <lardman> ask about MMS
Nov 16 17:10:44 <lardman> :)
Nov 16 17:11:08 <GAN900> crashanddie, there aren't enough of them.
Nov 16 17:11:10 <GAN900> crashanddie, they MAY be getting more tomorrow.
Nov 16 17:12:20 <lardman> GAN900: fingers crossed
Nov 16 17:12:56 <GAN900> lardman, otherwise, apparently they're collecting mailing addresses.
Nov 16 17:13:08 <lardman> ah, that's ok then
Nov 16 17:14:02 <GAN900> logistical nightmare, though.
Nov 16 17:14:42 <lardman> but presumably there are some extra requirements per-app that Nokia have over and above the core
Nov 16 17:14:51 <lardman> so that they can differentiate
Nov 16 17:15:40 <CosmoHill> at last I can see the slides
Nov 16 17:15:45 <lardman> lol
Nov 16 17:16:29 <CosmoHill> if you're sat in the middle it must be like watching tenis cos you go from the slides to the presenter and back again
Nov 16 17:16:42 <lardman> lokesh: wait till tomorrow or thursday and you'll find lots more people here
Nov 16 17:16:46 <lardman> once they return from the conf
Nov 16 17:17:09 <lokesh> lardman : thanks
Nov 16 17:17:12 <lokesh> sure
Nov 16 17:17:37 <lardman> wow, the talks keep going
Nov 16 17:17:44 * lardman grabs a beer
Nov 16 17:22:27 <CosmoHill> lardman I think you tripped over a cable
Nov 16 17:22:45 <lardman> yeah seems that way
Nov 16 17:22:52 <lardman> or perhaps they all ran off to get beer
Nov 16 17:23:05 <stephg> I wish I had beer :/
Nov 16 17:23:16 <lardman> stephg: why don't you?
Nov 16 17:23:20 <stephg> I'm in an office
Nov 16 17:23:23 <stephg> :)
Nov 16 17:23:28 <Tm_T> they all will come back in a moment
Nov 16 17:23:28 <lardman> ah, that's a mistake
Nov 16 17:23:42 <stephg> actually there's a leaving do so I might be able to later
Nov 16 17:23:47 <lardman> :)
Nov 16 17:24:37 <CosmoHill> hell yeah!
Nov 16 17:24:43 <CosmoHill> my program freaking works!
Nov 16 17:25:00 <CosmoHill> it's taken about 6 hours of work today
Nov 16 17:25:05 <CosmoHill> maybe closer to 7 hours
Nov 16 17:25:21 <alterego> "Hello, world!" program? :P
Nov 16 17:25:22 <stephg> \o/
Nov 16 17:25:25 <CosmoHill> is that LBT, ah he's out of shot how
Nov 16 17:25:52 <CosmoHill> hello people in the real world .o/
Nov 16 17:27:17 <lardman> better docs
Nov 16 17:27:27 <lardman> for example the contacts stuff in qtmobility
Nov 16 17:27:48 <lokesh> how to resolve this problem in SDK:
Nov 16 17:27:49 <lokesh> File './repodata/bc05a4f88292f5b6a4098fe2c2a26c8db4b4bbbcd78a394344df0e842c78a608-primary.xml.gz' not found on medium 'http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/Testing/standard/'
Nov 16 17:28:30 <stephg> lokesh, that path looks funny (but I know nothing about the SDK)
Nov 16 17:28:43 <stephg> download.meego.com/testing/ is usually how the urls start there
Nov 16 17:29:25 <stephg> ooh I lied
Nov 16 17:29:29 <stephg> I don't know what I'm talking about
Nov 16 17:29:36 <lardman> get some beer!
Nov 16 17:30:02 <berndhs> the beer on the conference tables looks really light, almost like water
Nov 16 17:30:08 <access> Q: (not really my area of expertise) are hardware DSPs and camera raw streams available through Qt APIs or will they be?
Nov 16 17:30:26 <lardman> would you want them to be?
Nov 16 17:30:32 <access> yeah
Nov 16 17:30:34 <CosmoHill> access: type QUESTION as it's easier to spot
Nov 16 17:30:35 <lardman> Qt is supposed to abstract that away isbn't it?
Nov 16 17:30:53 <npm> access: i have same question. http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/multimedia.html answers some
Nov 16 17:31:02 <access> or my colleague would like them :)
Nov 16 17:31:41 <npm> needs it for http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com
Nov 16 17:31:50 <CosmoHill> I think the camera should focus on the person speaking
Nov 16 17:32:31 <lardman> npm: wrap a gstreamer pipeline in your own Qt widget>
Nov 16 17:32:32 <lardman> ?
Nov 16 17:32:36 <access> seems like those official APIs only allow for a call to record a file, Iäd like to get a stream from the camera device and access to hw encoders
Nov 16 17:33:04 <lardman> in that case I think you have to write your own widget
Nov 16 17:33:27 <access> yeah, that's what we're doing at the moment… would just be nice to know if we'd get some extra abstraction or another method :)
Nov 16 17:33:29 <npm> does anybody have sourcecode for a "video camera widget"
Nov 16 17:33:38 * CosmoHill has done a process ring with pipes in 100 lines
Nov 16 17:33:48 <CosmoHill> it only took a few weeks >.<
Nov 16 17:34:37 <npm> access, lardman: any pointers to existing code to such widgetry?
Nov 16 17:35:19 <access> not OSS that I know of, except for a gst chain, no Qt code though
Nov 16 17:35:19 <lardman> npm: what's the hw?
Nov 16 17:35:51 <lardman> Just open the v4l2 device directly perhaps
Nov 16 17:35:58 <lardman> lots of example code around for that
Nov 16 17:36:11 <npm> N900 is hardware. would http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Camera_API_Usage work on meego too?
Nov 16 17:36:44 <lardman> I don;t know whether they plan to keep gst
Nov 16 17:36:49 <lardman> or move to something else
Nov 16 17:36:57 <lardman> certainly gst is a bit of pita
Nov 16 17:37:01 <lardman> imho
Nov 16 17:37:07 <npm> that's why i was confused by your gstreamer pipeline comment
Nov 16 17:37:20 <lardman> simply because that's a way of doing it
Nov 16 17:37:20 <npm> seemed unportable
Nov 16 17:37:22 <lardman> :)
Nov 16 17:37:39 <lardman> actually no it's not, but it depends on how much hw control you need
Nov 16 17:37:48 <lardman> I find it annoying from a docs point of view
Nov 16 17:38:07 <lardman> take a look at mBarcode (maemo-barcode) in maemo Garage
Nov 16 17:38:14 <npm> not much. a working example that does minimal video capture and viewfinder
Nov 16 17:38:14 <lardman> for a wrapped gst pipeline in a class
Nov 16 17:38:24 <CosmoHill> I wonder if he has IRC on that laptop
Nov 16 17:38:29 <lardman> in that case you probably want to use camerabin
Nov 16 17:38:49 * npm googles
Nov 16 17:39:20 <lardman> Take a look at the FCamera source
Nov 16 17:39:45 <lardman> I needed a more complex pipeline setup for mBarcode so didn't use that
Nov 16 17:40:22 <slaine> what's the name of the Qt tool for adjusting the fonts/theme etc. ?
Nov 16 17:40:37 <stephg> lardman, you're the author of mbarcode?
Nov 16 17:40:40 <lardman> yes
Nov 16 17:40:42 <slaine> (got disconnnected, not sure if that last question went through)
Nov 16 17:40:45 <stephg> kewl
Nov 16 17:40:56 <Mece> slaine, theme customizer?
Nov 16 17:41:00 <lardman> slaine: yeah it did, I don't know
Nov 16 17:41:26 <drcooper> how do i inctall ext4 kernel modules in meego
Nov 16 17:41:28 <npm> lardman: thanks for fcamera pointer
Nov 16 17:41:36 <lardman> np, let me know how you get on
Nov 16 17:41:40 <slaine> not sure, thought it was qt....
Nov 16 17:41:58 <drcooper> how do i inctall ext4 kernel modules in meego
Nov 16 17:42:04 <drcooper> *install
Nov 16 17:42:25 <lardman> Qt mobility contacts interface gives out cryptic error numbers rather than messages, is that a useful comment?
Nov 16 17:42:53 <CosmoHill> I'd like the camera to zoom out and how the room
Nov 16 17:43:17 <lardman> The room was quite dark, so we might not be able to see much
Nov 16 17:43:31 <slaine> drcooper: there are none, you'd have to get the kernel source rpm and recompile with those enabled in the config
Nov 16 17:43:46 <stephg> slaine, did I imagine I saw they were coming in one of the mailing lists?
Nov 16 17:43:58 <drcooper> where i can get rpms?
Nov 16 17:43:59 <stephg> can't remember where I saw it but I seem to remember that for some reason
Nov 16 17:44:15 <slaine> drcooper: repo.meego.com
Nov 16 17:44:27 <slaine> stephg: possibly, not sure.
Nov 16 17:44:34 <drcooper> slaine: so thats the default right
Nov 16 17:44:39 <slaine> yeah
Nov 16 17:44:39 <lardman> Address book tutorial is not great, assuming that's the contacts Qt mobility one
Nov 16 17:44:54 <drcooper> slaine: do you know package names?
Nov 16 17:44:58 <stephg> drcooper, if you're building on the device itself zypper search kernel will help
Nov 16 17:46:06 <slaine> not too familiar with zypper yet, whats the equivilant of yum-downloader --source
Nov 16 17:46:12 <alsihad> wasn't there an effort to improve qt creator on netbook resolution?
Nov 16 17:46:32 <lardman> yes, it can be very hard to insert items into layouts, why not allow that to be done with a right click rather than dragging and dropping
Nov 16 17:46:33 <drcooper> stephg: which package should i install
Nov 16 17:46:33 <slaine> alsihad: no idea, but it sucks atm
Nov 16 17:46:50 <alsihad> i would like to see (better) support for unit testing/tdd
Nov 16 17:46:56 <lardman> I get the feeling no-one is listening to us on IRC
Nov 16 17:46:56 <drcooper> stephg: kernel-netbook?
Nov 16 17:47:47 <slaine> drcooper: yes
Nov 16 17:47:54 <slaine> assuming netbook target
Nov 16 17:48:25 <drcooper> slaine: but that is installed by default...but no suport for ext4
Nov 16 17:48:43 <slaine> that's the binary package
Nov 16 17:48:59 <lardman> hmm, he's just sidestepped the comment about qt mobility contacts
Nov 16 17:49:07 <slaine> drcooper: you've clearly never built the kernel before
Nov 16 17:49:23 <drcooper> slaine: nope..pls help
Nov 16 17:49:27 <slaine> no offence, but getting ext43 support might be a little beyond you atm
Nov 16 17:49:39 <slaine> s/ext43/ext4
Nov 16 17:49:54 <drcooper> slaine: try helping me pls
Nov 16 17:49:58 <drcooper> :)
Nov 16 17:50:12 <slaine> drcooper: try helping yourself and use google :)
Nov 16 17:50:18 <drcooper> i googled
Nov 16 17:50:28 <stephg> slaine, we don't have dkms in meego do we
Nov 16 17:50:29 <slaine> we've already pointed you in the right direction,
Nov 16 17:50:33 <stephg> not that that would help him here
Nov 16 17:50:36 <slaine> stephg: no
Nov 16 17:50:47 <alsihad> features for unit testing: create unit test for currently opened class (generate stubs for all public methods), switch between class/test (like impl/header), as an alternative to having a seperate project for tests, have another build config (release/debug/unittest) with defines and post build step to run all tests
Nov 16 17:50:53 <slaine> meego hasn't got many modules compiled by default
Nov 16 17:51:20 <lardman> yay Quim
Nov 16 17:51:34 <stephg> drcooper, provided you're not using the new ext4 features you should be able to mount ext4 as ext3 anyways
Nov 16 17:51:35 <lardman> and may or may not work on the N900
Nov 16 17:52:15 <drcooper> stephg: i have an ext4 ubuntu partition
Nov 16 17:52:28 <lardman> +1 for more docs comment
Nov 16 17:52:38 <lardman> and canned examples too
Nov 16 17:52:44 <alsihad> ... and a nice gui with a green bar, when all tests passed
Nov 16 17:53:01 <stephg> if you're in meego right now, what happens if you try and mount it as "-t ext3" instead? does it fail or just complain
Nov 16 17:53:04 <lardman> backends missing, which ones? And are these marked in the docs?
Nov 16 17:53:54 <stephg> drcooper, looks like default ubuntu ext4 partitions won't mount
Nov 16 17:53:56 <stephg> sorry
Nov 16 17:54:34 <drcooper> stephg: ya
Nov 16 17:57:12 <drcooper> stephg: slaine when i tried to compile myself," make M=fs/ext4 " gives warning of symbol version dump. Could you help me from here? I had executed menuconfig successfully and added ext4 module to the list.
Nov 16 17:57:47 <slaine> wtf, there's no qtconfig in meego ???
Nov 16 17:58:08 <drcooper> slaine: i used menuconf..how does it matter
Nov 16 17:58:08 <alsihad> breaking news: kitware joins meego, contributes cmake build system to qt ;)
Nov 16 17:58:38 <slaine> drcooper: sorry, commenting about my own issue
Nov 16 17:58:48 <drcooper> ok..
Nov 16 17:59:03 <slaine> qtcreator looks like shit, wanted to set the qt font settings
Nov 16 17:59:36 <lardman> who's the guy presenting atm?
Nov 16 18:00:48 <lardman> better and more mini examples!
Nov 16 18:01:18 <lardman> what is the reason pray tell?
Nov 16 18:01:31 <lardman> come on, tell us the reason for the private class
Nov 16 18:01:47 <Mek> binary compatibility...
Nov 16 18:02:13 <lardman> so that it can be interogated to check the version?
Nov 16 18:02:44 <Mek> no, so that changes can be made to that private class that don't affect the layout/size/whatever of the public class that people actually interact with
Nov 16 18:02:44 <niala> slaine: you mean monospace font in qtcreator ?
Nov 16 18:02:52 <Mek> so basically hiding implementation details from users of the classes
Nov 16 18:03:18 <lardman> Mek: but hiding a subclass? Rather than just making methods private?
Nov 16 18:03:47 <Mek> this is mostly about data members; you can't add/remove/change datamembers in public classes without breaking binary compatibility
Nov 16 18:03:55 <lardman> ok fair enough
Nov 16 18:04:06 <CosmoHill> timeless_mbp: put your arm up
Nov 16 18:04:09 <Mek> for non-virtual private methods it is purely a convention to not expose tehm
Nov 16 18:04:14 <timeless_mbp> ?
Nov 16 18:04:19 * timeless_mbp is @hotel
Nov 16 18:04:25 <CosmoHill> oh okay
Nov 16 18:04:27 <timeless_mbp> CosmoHill: where are you?
Nov 16 18:04:30 <CosmoHill> england
Nov 16 18:04:32 <lardman> still, put your hand up, we're got you in our sights
Nov 16 18:04:35 <CosmoHill> but I'm watching the video stream
Nov 16 18:04:41 <timeless_mbp> of what?
Nov 16 18:04:48 <lardman> 50cal
Nov 16 18:04:53 <CosmoHill> of the oh whaty was it called
Nov 16 18:05:04 <CosmoHill> birds of a feather meeting
Nov 16 18:05:06 <CosmoHill> that/'s it
Nov 16 18:05:21 <alsihad> was that the last one for today?
Nov 16 18:05:26 <lardman> no, one more I think
Nov 16 18:05:33 <CosmoHill> who the hell just  put a microphone stand there
Nov 16 18:05:37 <access> meego infrastructure bof coming up
Nov 16 18:05:37 <lardman> BoF - MeeGo Infrastructure
Nov 16 18:05:59 <berndhs> 5 presenters
Nov 16 18:06:10 <CosmoHill> "but only one will leave"
Nov 16 18:06:28 <alsihad> they present to the death?
Nov 16 18:06:32 <alsihad> is it safe for the audience?
Nov 16 18:06:42 <lardman> no many in the audience, must have realised
Nov 16 18:06:49 <RST38h> lardman: When do they wrap up for the day?
Nov 16 18:06:56 <lardman> 7pm
Nov 16 18:07:00 <berndhs> audience saw the 50cal
Nov 16 18:07:04 <lardman> no, 6.40pm
Nov 16 18:07:16 <lardman> berndhs: that's pointed at the hotel though
Nov 16 18:07:28 <berndhs> you only have one ?
Nov 16 18:07:40 <lardman> hard carrying through customs you know
Nov 16 18:07:48 <berndhs> true
Nov 16 18:08:10 <srikanth_rst> hello guy any one know what all  audio and video formats are supported in meego hand sets
Nov 16 18:08:20 <berndhs> and i guess teh old ira stocks are looked up good
Nov 16 18:08:35 <lardman> yeah, need a spade in that case
Nov 16 18:08:45 <timeless_mbp> srikanth_rst: you mean the software stack that isn't sold today in any physical handset?
Nov 16 18:09:06 * timeless_mbp tries to imagine why that'd be useful
Nov 16 18:09:10 <stephg> srikanth_rst, a subset of all the patent unencumbered ones?
Nov 16 18:09:13 <lardman> actually is there a minimum set of required formats I wonder?
Nov 16 18:09:14 <stephg> (not very helpful!)
Nov 16 18:09:35 <srikanth_rst> timeless_mbp:yes
Nov 16 18:09:36 <CosmoHill> I can see lbt again
Nov 16 18:09:38 <lardman> let's guess that mp3 will be needed at least
Nov 16 18:09:51 <timeless_mbp> srikanth_rst: why?
Nov 16 18:11:05 <srikanth_rst> no i want know what formats meego supports ....when meego.com give public release
Nov 16 18:11:21 <lardman> srikanth_rst: I doubt it has been established yet
Nov 16 18:11:39 <srikanth_rst> i heard it will support only ogg only ?
Nov 16 18:11:42 <niala> bird of feather is an english expression ? waht that mean ?
Nov 16 18:11:46 <access> guess the current panel can answer… if anyone is both on irc and there irl :)
Nov 16 18:11:50 <timeless_mbp> niala: google?
Nov 16 18:12:02 <timeless_mbp> srikanth_rst: for software, the answer can change until the very last minute
Nov 16 18:12:05 <lardman> niala: it means similar
Nov 16 18:12:07 <stephg> niala, "birds of a feather flock together"
Nov 16 18:12:18 <timeless_mbp> which means asking about the future is kind of pointless
Nov 16 18:12:18 <lardman> or that
Nov 16 18:12:20 <lardman> oops
Nov 16 18:12:25 <timeless_mbp> none of us are good at reading tea leaves
Nov 16 18:12:26 <niala> yes and french translation is absurd
Nov 16 18:12:27 <stephg> well it's both innit
Nov 16 18:12:35 <lardman> :)
Nov 16 18:12:39 <srikanth_rst> timeless_mbp: thanks
Nov 16 18:12:43 <lardman> I thought you wrote inuit there
Nov 16 18:12:49 <lardman> (spelling?)
Nov 16 18:12:52 <stephg> heh
Nov 16 18:13:47 <timeless_mbp> niala: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=birds%20of%20feather&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Nov 16 18:13:52 <lardman> ok, so we're talking about extras for libs here
Nov 16 18:13:54 <timeless_mbp> the first hit is for a wikipedia article
Nov 16 18:14:59 <lardman> depend on a specific library and keep old libraries until nothing depends on them?
Nov 16 18:15:01 <lardman> send to lbt
Nov 16 18:15:06 <alsihad> uuh, he said "agile"! can i get my unit testing stuff now? ;)
Nov 16 18:16:04 <niala> timeless_mbp: lol funny
Nov 16 18:16:24 <timeless_mbp> niala: learning to use google is important
Nov 16 18:16:25 <lardman> is that Jaffa?
Nov 16 18:16:38 <timeless_mbp> lardman: which room is this, and when does it expire?
Nov 16 18:16:51 <lardman> in the main room, finishes at 6.40pm
Nov 16 18:17:09 <lardman> timeless_mbp: President's Terrace
Nov 16 18:17:09 <timeless_mbp> hrm, maybe i'll go back
Nov 16 18:17:25 <timeless_mbp> it sounds like it's storming outside :(
Nov 16 18:17:34 <lardman> nasty
Nov 16 18:18:06 * stephg nearly beer time
Nov 16 18:18:11 <lardman> :)
Nov 16 18:21:01 <Myrtti> oh my. I guess I've been a bit tired, I looked at the IRC channel for about ten minutes and didn't notice that none of the discussion went forward, clock on the statusbar was stagnant and timestamps were over an hour old
Nov 16 18:21:23 <lardman> Myrtti: get a beer
Nov 16 18:21:39 <CosmoHill> is that x-fade again?
Nov 16 18:21:46 <RST38h> Myrtti: But, frankly, what difference does it make?
Nov 16 18:21:54 <Mek> yes
Nov 16 18:22:17 <Myrtti> RST38h: none to you, none to me, but it just shows and proves to atleast me that I'm really, really tired
Nov 16 18:22:31 <RST38h> Sleeeeeeeeeep
Nov 16 18:23:52 <lardman> be careful lbt, they just won't bother promoting
Nov 16 18:25:51 <lardman> urgh, that sounds nasty, the package manager would have to be happy to remove unused libs
Nov 16 18:28:53 <lardman> someone get Jaffa a beer
Nov 16 18:29:05 <berndhs> do package managers know about Qt plugins required by Qt apps ?
Nov 16 18:29:24 <lardman> as long as your deps are correct
Nov 16 18:30:08 <lardman> at least that's my thought
Nov 16 18:30:12 <berndhs> you have to specify that manually though, I think
Nov 16 18:30:32 <berndhs> building and doing ldd won't tell you
Nov 16 18:32:01 <lardman> yeah the packages have to say what they depend on, but that's not the rpm way is it
Nov 16 18:32:26 <berndhs> i'm not sure. opensuse build complains if you specify too much manually
Nov 16 18:32:43 <lardman> I'm coming from the deb side
Nov 16 18:32:51 <lardman> so I don;t know I'm afraid
Nov 16 18:33:33 <lardman> I'm going to have to call it quits for the viewing, need to head to the shops and buy some food
Nov 16 18:33:56 <lardman> enjoy the Guiness to all those in Dublin, see the rest of you later on :)
Nov 16 18:34:00 <berndhs> I think it gets worse, an app could work in reduced capacity without a plugin
Nov 16 18:38:39 <Jaffa> lardman|afk: Graham and I are doing loads of talking into the mic :-)
Nov 16 18:38:55 <Jaffa> Feel like we're hogging it, but ho hum
Nov 16 18:40:10 * CosmoHill noms pizza
Nov 16 18:40:29 <CosmoHill> I've been so productive I feel like it's wednesday
Nov 16 18:41:08 <tripzero> mmm... pizza
Nov 16 18:41:45 <berndhs> i've been so productive I feel like its last friday
Nov 16 18:42:42 <CosmoHill> interesting: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=50023
Nov 16 18:45:22 <alsihad> qtestlib has all the usual test stuff as well
Nov 16 18:45:29 <CosmoHill> this guy understands
Nov 16 18:45:32 <alsihad> but afaik there is no easy way to have a suite of tests
Nov 16 18:46:06 <alsihad> i used this workaround in my app for that: http://qtcreator.blogspot.com/2009/10/running-multiple-unit-tests.html
Nov 16 18:46:08 <Jaffa> alsihad: Yeah, JUnit is fantastic.
Nov 16 18:47:01 <CosmoHill> yay lbt
Nov 16 18:48:06 <Jaffa> Makes me appreciate the experience of big enterprise frameworks.
Nov 16 19:02:36 <timeless_mbp> oops
Nov 16 19:02:42 <timeless_mbp> i hope i don't miss the bus
Nov 16 19:03:22 <alsihad> one of the guys mentioned they use cucumber. was he referring to this? http://cukes.info/
Nov 16 19:04:25 <alsihad> seems somewhat ruby specific to me :-?
Nov 16 19:10:10 <timakima> alsihad: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/TDriver this was mentioned in qa-tools presentation at least
Nov 16 19:10:22 <timakima> if that's what you meant
Nov 16 19:10:51 <alsihad> maybe, looks interesting. thx
Nov 16 19:12:43 <timakima> alsihad: http://www.youtube.com/meegoqatools here's some video about testability driver too
Nov 16 19:12:52 <alsihad> i have a (my first) qt app with some slightly complex control flow, that i find hard to test (because i'm not an agile tdd rockstar ;) so i'm always interested in improvements in that regard
Nov 16 19:14:47 <timakima> alsihad: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools and here are other meego testing tools also, if you're interested
Nov 16 19:28:34 <alsihad> timakima, thx, as soon as i find some time, i'll try to write a simple meego app that uses all this neat testing stuff :)
Nov 16 19:37:15 <alsihad> meego netbook ux wont fit on a 4gb microsd, right?
Nov 16 19:42:44 <Mek> why not? the netbook image is 830MB...
Nov 16 19:43:33 <alsihad> iirc, i've read some minimum space requirement > 4 gb. i'll try
Nov 16 19:44:56 <alsihad> hm, the sd card doesn't fit flush in my shiny new netbook. bummer
Nov 16 19:45:11 <alsihad> might as well use a larger usb stick then
Nov 16 19:59:02 <hena> i'm planning to build a meego ivi platform, but i don't seem to find the hardware specs page anywhere
Nov 16 20:06:58 <jrayhawk> a/window 17
Nov 16 20:09:02 <hena> obviously if i build my own kernel my changes would not roll to main
Nov 16 20:22:21 <alsihad> weird, the keyboard doesn't work in meego
Nov 16 20:23:11 <niala> alsihad: sad  lol
Nov 16 20:23:39 <alsihad> but it looks nice and the animations are very snappy :)
Nov 16 20:23:58 <niala> handset ?
Nov 16 20:24:08 <alsihad> no, netbook
Nov 16 20:24:20 <alsihad> on a samsung nf310 (which is quite awesome, btw)
Nov 16 20:24:27 <niala> ah and no keyboard that's strange
Nov 16 20:24:40 <alsihad> i actually had a ideapad s10-3t before that, but ended up returning it
Nov 16 20:25:01 <alsihad> (which doesn't mean i wouldn't like one to play with ;)
Nov 16 20:55:43 <meego> hi, I have intel atom hardware. I have already compiled my kernel for meego. But I dnt know how can I boot a kernel using terminal?
Nov 16 20:56:18 <meego> hi, I have intel atom hardware. I have already compiled my kernel for meego. But I dnt know how can I boot a kernel using terminal?
Nov 16 20:56:25 <hena> you don't have to repeat
Nov 16 20:56:41 <meego> i m sorry
Nov 16 20:56:55 <hena> you need qemu or something to boot from terminal
Nov 16 20:57:14 <hena> and you need the userspace installed somewhere prior
Nov 16 20:57:55 <meego> I think Qemu is emulator. I have the actual hardware.
Nov 16 20:58:07 <meego> I am looking for bootcommands for my hardware
Nov 16 20:58:11 <hena> well, then you don't boot from terminal
Nov 16 20:58:32 <hena> you need to setup your bootloader to access your kernel and init and root
Nov 16 20:58:51 <meego> Can you give some more information on how to do that?
Nov 16 20:59:26 <hena> google for grub or lilo manuals
Nov 16 20:59:35 <meego> ok
Nov 16 20:59:45 <hena> but you need to have the meego userspace installed on a separate partition
Nov 16 21:00:05 <meego> what is the meego user space?
Nov 16 21:00:15 <meego> I never came across it ..
Nov 16 21:00:27 <meego> forgive me .. as I am new .. i have some silly doubts
Nov 16 21:00:43 <hena> the kernel is just the soul of the system, but doesn't do anything on it's own
Nov 16 21:00:51 <hena> it doesn't have any tools or software
Nov 16 21:02:11 <CosmoHill> meego: if you want to boot into termial press tab or something at boot and replace "quiet" with 3
Nov 16 21:02:13 <meego> yes I know what kernel is .. .but ya .. I guess by user space you mean to say the tools like image creator , writer and other
Nov 16 21:02:23 <CosmoHill> also can you change your username, it's kind of misleading in this channel
Nov 16 21:02:41 <meego> Thanks CosmoHill
Nov 16 21:03:09 <hena> umm, i thought he wanted to boot from terminal
Nov 16 21:03:17 <hena> sry
Nov 16 21:04:01 <meego> Thanks Hena
Nov 16 21:04:14 <meego> Also I have problem with my Image Creator ..
Nov 16 21:04:24 <meego> its the problem in debug.py
Nov 16 21:06:49 <CosmoHill> okay that's creepy, youtube have my average download speed from their servers over a 3 week period
Nov 16 21:08:01 <meego> What is the meego source code? .. I have downloaded the meego-core-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.1-fs
Nov 16 21:08:09 <meego> but it seems ike rootfs
Nov 16 21:08:19 <meego> How can I get meego source code?
Nov 16 21:08:31 <meego> I don't want prebuilt images
Nov 16 21:08:47 <meego> I want source code as you see in Android or other OSs
Nov 16 21:08:57 <CosmoHill> would you mind changing your username to something else
Nov 16 21:09:18 <CosmoHill> all the meego sources are avaiable in src.rpm format
Nov 16 21:10:30 <meego> Can you tell me how to download the sources and build them
Nov 16 21:10:33 <meego> I want source code as you see in Android or other OSs?
Nov 16 21:10:43 <meego> i will change my name
Nov 16 21:10:49 <CosmoHill> they are on http://repo.meego.com
Nov 16 21:11:06 <timoph> you want to compile all the packages? o.O
Nov 16 21:11:54 <hena> gentoogo
Nov 16 21:12:52 <meego> yes
Nov 16 21:13:01 <CosmoHill> best of luck to you
Nov 16 21:13:03 <timoph> why on earth?
Nov 16 21:13:23 <niala> hey CosmoHill I think we a match tomorrow :)
Nov 16 21:13:28 <meego> its because .. I want to change something in it
Nov 16 21:13:32 <CosmoHill> I've concidered doing the same but for a non SSSE3 platform
Nov 16 21:13:35 <CosmoHill> or maybe non-x86
Nov 16 21:13:46 <Termana> morning
Nov 16 21:13:55 <CosmoHill> morning Termana
Nov 16 21:14:20 <niala> meego: change your name please you can go to http://meego.gitorious.org/
Nov 16 21:14:30 <meego> i m dng it for SSSE3 platform
Nov 16 21:14:47 <meego> thanks everybody
Nov 16 21:14:50 <meego> i gtg
Nov 16 21:14:53 <CosmoHill> bye bye
Nov 16 21:15:07 <CosmoHill> he's doomed
Nov 16 21:15:21 <timoph> to say the least
Nov 16 21:15:24 <Termana> CosmoHill, ha ha ha
Nov 16 21:16:00 <niala> he must be hurried
Nov 16 21:16:32 <CosmoHill> i might be able to compile meego in 2 weeks flat out, if I knew what I was doing
Nov 16 21:17:29 <Termana> What - he's not considering compiling manually is he?
Nov 16 21:17:47 <CosmoHill> must be
Nov 16 21:17:50 <Termana> That's *suppose* to be one of the uses for the community OBS :p
Nov 16 21:17:56 <Termana> supposed*
Nov 16 21:18:06 <tybollt>  /nick meeto
Nov 16 21:18:12 <CosmoHill> I think he's just heard of a new distro, and wanted to build it himself
Nov 16 21:18:28 <timoph> btw, what's the community obs url?
Nov 16 21:18:34 <CosmoHill> erm
Nov 16 21:18:41 <Termana> timoph, cbuild.meego.com
Nov 16 21:18:44 <CosmoHill> https://cbuild.meego.com
Nov 16 21:18:49 <timoph> thanks
Nov 16 21:18:53 <tripzero> w00t at cbuild.meego.com!
Nov 16 21:18:56 <CosmoHill> it will be http://build.pub.meego.com at some point
Nov 16 21:19:12 <tripzero> build.bar.meego.com
Nov 16 21:19:16 <timoph> asked lbt_away for access to it but forgot the url :)
Nov 16 21:19:35 <niala> ah not a valid certif https
Nov 16 21:23:57 <timoph> hmmh. nobody building xchat for netbooks, I have that on my core obs home.. maybe I'll move that to cobs
Nov 16 21:42:42 <Nsan> Hehe
Nov 16 21:43:33 <hena> ah, pub was elected
Nov 16 21:44:10 <CosmoHill> yep
Nov 16 21:45:14 <hena> been out too long
Nov 16 21:45:27 <CosmoHill> that explains the healthy tan
Nov 16 21:45:35 <hena> hah
Nov 16 21:45:46 <hena> anyways, still wonderin about the ivi hardware compliance
Nov 16 21:56:50 <hena> arf
Nov 16 21:57:23 <CosmoHill> fyi there is a new version of adium out already
Nov 16 21:58:10 <hena> adium?
Nov 16 21:58:16 <hena> sorry for my lameness
Nov 16 21:58:24 <CosmoHill> you heard of Pidgin right?
Nov 16 21:58:32 <hena> yeah
Nov 16 21:58:33 <Termana> Adium is the bastard version of Pidgin
Nov 16 21:58:36 <CosmoHill> well it's that for mac
Nov 16 21:58:39 <Termana> (for OS X in other words)
Nov 16 21:58:47 <hena> ah,ok
Nov 16 21:59:14 <CosmoHill> since most of the intel guys (and dawn) who I see in here use macs i thought they might like to know
Nov 16 21:59:21 <hena> i don't believen in the devil
Nov 16 21:59:36 <CosmoHill> you might not believen but do you believe?
Nov 16 21:59:46 <Termana> lol
Nov 16 22:00:08 <hena> i hate the forums :/
Nov 16 22:00:15 <lolloo> why?
Nov 16 22:00:15 <CosmoHill> the meego one?
Nov 16 22:00:19 <hena> all of them
Nov 16 22:00:29 <hena> they're awkward touse
Nov 16 22:00:33 <lolloo> than you have a problem my friend
Nov 16 22:00:43 <CosmoHill> I hang out on an awesome forum
Nov 16 22:00:51 <lolloo> me too
Nov 16 22:01:10 <CosmoHill> the places I go to on the internet are every limited but very good
Nov 16 22:01:25 <hena> searching, filtering, searcing, reading, waiting for pages to load
Nov 16 22:01:49 <CosmoHill> the one I hang out on isn't to busy
Nov 16 22:01:59 <hena> it's just so slow and painful and usually full of fud and crap
Nov 16 22:02:12 <lolloo> that's crappy forums it seems
Nov 16 22:02:16 <CosmoHill> slow, painful, full of crap? have you been on 4chan?
Nov 16 22:02:36 <lolloo> meego forums are original
Nov 16 22:02:41 <hena> i prefer forums with relevant info
Nov 16 22:02:41 <lolloo> also maemo talk
Nov 16 22:02:52 <CosmoHill> maybe you're on the wrong forum
Nov 16 22:03:01 <lolloo> clearly
Nov 16 22:03:05 <hena> just that i hate searching my answer from the millions of threads
Nov 16 22:03:13 <Myrtti> There's only one thing about the meego forums I don't quite get
Nov 16 22:03:17 <hena> with thousands of fud and ego posts
Nov 16 22:03:31 <CosmoHill> Myrtti: "everything"?
Nov 16 22:03:35 <hena> "i don't know anything about this topic but i'll post anyways"
Nov 16 22:03:35 <lolloo> hena go moan somewhere else
Nov 16 22:03:37 <Myrtti> I don't quite understand the point behind the Hong Kong funs-thread
Nov 16 22:03:39 <hena> sorry
Nov 16 22:03:48 <Myrtti> lolloo: meh
Nov 16 22:04:03 <CosmoHill> mythi: it's basically a chinese forum within a single thread
Nov 16 22:04:22 <Myrtti> CosmoHill: by one person... with... stuff.
Nov 16 22:04:52 <CosmoHill> maybe he's only one person...physically
Nov 16 22:04:53 <Myrtti> my brain implodes when I try to make sense of it with Google Translate
Nov 16 22:10:39 <CosmoHill> Jimmy Carr on channel 4 if anyone is interested
Nov 16 22:13:23 <Cybert> hi all
Nov 16 22:13:53 <Cybert> Can anyone help me with getting my touschreen to work on my Asus T101MT please?
Nov 16 22:13:55 <niala> Myrtti: I know same problem here with google translate
Nov 16 22:14:10 <CosmoHill> Cybert: what processor and graphics card do you have?
Nov 16 22:14:54 <Cybert> Intel Atom N450 (1.66GHz) processor
Nov 16 22:14:55 <Cybert> and
Nov 16 22:14:58 <niala> Cybert: what kind of difficulties
Nov 16 22:15:12 <Cybert> The touchscreen is just not working :)
Nov 16 22:15:50 <Cybert> And I thing it is an Intel graphic card to
Nov 16 22:16:01 <CosmoHill> GMA500?
Nov 16 22:16:25 <niala> Cybert: i have one and touchscreen work like mousepad he just no have 2 clic only left clic
Nov 16 22:16:40 <Cybert> yes GMA500
Nov 16 22:16:45 <niala> meego-1.1 work out of box
Nov 16 22:16:54 <Cybert> not on an Asus T101MT :(
Nov 16 22:17:03 <Cybert> or do I need to calibrate it?
Nov 16 22:17:41 <Myrtti> I wonder what GPU the Dell Inspiron Duo has
Nov 16 22:17:53 <Cybert> niala how did you calibrated it?
Nov 16 22:18:08 <niala> t101 is not a gma500 !! ??
Nov 16 22:18:41 <niala> wich version do you use? for me just work out of box
Nov 16 22:18:50 <Cybert> niala 1.1
Nov 16 22:19:20 <niala> lsmod should have hid_egalax
Nov 16 22:20:08 <Cybert> niala no, no hid_egalax
Nov 16 22:20:41 <bernie> timoph: I tried the 1.1 release, still no luck at booting it. maybe it's an incompatibility with my particular microsd model?
Nov 16 22:20:53 <lardman> re
Nov 16 22:21:06 <lardman> bernie: is this using uboot?
Nov 16 22:21:40 <BDick> hm?
Nov 16 22:21:44 <niala> Cybert: you can try xinput_calibrator
Nov 16 22:21:50 <bernie> lardman: I did not change the default bootloader of my n900. what is it?
Nov 16 22:22:13 <bernie> lardman: I'm trying to boot from a kernel loaded with flasher (presumably in ram)
Nov 16 22:22:15 <Cybert> niala what package I need to install for xinput_calibrator?
Nov 16 22:22:19 <lardman> ah ok
Nov 16 22:22:39 <lardman> bernie: and you just get Maemo back all the time?
Nov 16 22:22:47 <niala> xinput_calibrator
Nov 16 22:23:06 <bernie> lardman:
Nov 16 22:23:15 <Cybert> niala wait,... I think it is currently installed with version 1.01 let me upgrade ut
Nov 16 22:23:33 <niala> i m on 1.1
Nov 16 22:23:43 <Cybert> any way to check the version installed?
Nov 16 22:23:51 <bernie> lardman: oops... I meant to say: the boot gets stuck waiting for the mmc device to show up
Nov 16 22:24:15 <lardman> bernie: are you sure the mmc was large enough?
Nov 16 22:24:19 <niala> I know issue with touchscreen when notebook go in sleep mode and like as said no right clic
Nov 16 22:24:25 <niala> Cybert:
Nov 16 22:25:02 <Cybert> ok version 1.0 is installed
Nov 16 22:25:06 <Cybert> upgrading :)
Nov 16 22:25:07 <CosmoHill> oh sweet
Nov 16 22:25:30 <niala> CosmoHill: you are ready for match tomorrow ?
Nov 16 22:25:38 <CosmoHill> if you go to "about adium" and click on the duck it flaps it's wings
Nov 16 22:25:42 <CosmoHill> niala: what match?
Nov 16 22:25:52 <niala> france-uk !!!
Nov 16 22:26:03 <CosmoHill> oh
Nov 16 22:26:07 <CosmoHill> I'm indifferent
Nov 16 22:26:22 <Cybert> Hey tommorow it is also belgium - russia :)
Nov 16 22:26:37 <niala> CosmoHill:  i see only reading fc lol
Nov 16 22:26:41 <CosmoHill> hmm, chocolate or vodka
Nov 16 22:26:58 <lardman> bernie: you still there?
Nov 16 22:27:26 <lardman> CosmoHill: both
Nov 16 22:27:39 <Cybert> niala: slap me,... I had installed version 1.0, and indeed version 1.1 works out of the box,...
Nov 16 22:27:57 <CosmoHill> lardman: so you'd like a draw
Nov 16 22:28:11 <lardman> Oh I don;t care about soccer
Nov 16 22:28:25 <lardman> but rugby is a different matter
Nov 16 22:28:51 <lardman> well actually I wouldn't want the French to win no matter what ;)
Nov 16 22:29:31 <niala> Cybert: i m not sure if you can upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1
Nov 16 22:29:52 <Cybert> niala: I am reinstalling it :) and even in the installer it works,...
Nov 16 22:30:37 <niala> yes
Nov 16 22:31:07 <Cybert> so niala,... thanks, you saved me a lot of brain-cracking :)
Nov 16 22:31:11 <Cybert> it works fine now :)
Nov 16 22:32:45 <niala> Cybert: well but only one finger :(
Nov 16 23:00:15 <WIIman> i was wonder how fully the intergrated intel video card in dell mini 1012  is suported so i have a an idea what level of grphics and games i can run in meego 1.1
Nov 16 23:01:53 <WIIman> are the intell drivers for the graphics card the propierty drivers ?
Nov 16 23:17:30 <Alison_Chaiken> Hey Dubliners, who wants to go for a walk and dinner tomorrow night instead of football game?
Nov 16 23:27:20 <CosmoHill> Alison_Chaiken: sounds like a good offer but I'm in the wrong country
Nov 16 23:41:16 <lardman> night all
Nov 17 00:27:47 <CosmoHill> any times for writing a covering letter?
Nov 17 00:55:56 <CosmoHill> s/times/tips/
Nov 17 00:55:56 <infobot> CosmoHill meant: any tips for writing a covering letter?
Nov 17 00:56:52 <niala> CosmoHill: I cannot help you :)
Nov 17 00:58:21 <niala> or maybe if you candidate in france
Nov 17 00:58:44 <CosmoHill> I could say I'm applying for a job at bizzard
Nov 17 01:00:10 <Jucato> heh
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