**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 23 02:59:57 2010 Nov 23 03:02:31 definitely start playing with meego Nov 23 03:02:54 sheepbat: http://bugs.meego.com/ Nov 23 03:02:57 use other people's work... see what you like, see what doesn't work for you Nov 23 03:03:02 see if you find anything you'd like to work on Nov 23 03:07:10 awesome community! Nov 23 03:07:20 everyone will thank you. Nov 23 04:14:57 * Jay_BEE waves hi Nov 23 04:16:36 good afternoon, Jay_BEE. Nov 23 04:17:30 chriadam: thx... where are you located seeing that it's afternoon where you are? it's 8pm in california where i am so good evening to you Nov 23 04:18:59 in sunny Brisbane, Australia. Nov 23 04:19:14 ah nice Nov 23 04:20:59 I read MeeGo 1.2 will require at least 512MB RAM. We know we have only 256MB on N900. Does this mean we have to forget using 1.2 on N900, or is there any workaround in sight? <--- seen on forum.meego.com in the handset forum... *facepalm* Nov 23 04:21:49 hmmm, that number might be suggested amount of ram Nov 23 04:22:13 especially if you're gonna be running firefox Nov 23 04:27:12 Jay_BEE: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 has a list of people who would know the most about it, I guess. Nov 23 04:27:50 I know what's up... unfortunately it's other lost souls out there that do not Nov 23 04:28:43 some people don't realize that the n900 continues to be used as a reference platform for testing meego Nov 23 04:33:28 Jay_BEE: i'm pretty sure most meego handset devs actively develop on hte n900 Nov 23 04:33:45 zr0: i agree 3000% Nov 23 04:34:16 i'm working to be one of them Nov 23 04:35:08 Just noticed this Intel-sponsored event tomorrow: A Dr. Dobb's TeleConference: Talking MeeGo – Introducing the Next Mobile Experience Nov 23 04:38:34 url? Nov 23 04:42:23 i notice there's no man in meego. i'm doing some packaging right now. should i be taking out the man pages? Nov 23 04:44:33 http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines Nov 23 04:45:40 good question mortenmj Nov 23 04:46:48 perhaps it could use some extension Nov 23 04:59:32 Jay_BEE, the easiest URL is to go to http://www.linux-magazine.com/ and look at "MeeGo Developer Center" box. I have nothing to do with the event, was just reading the magazine (which is high-quality, BTW). Nov 23 05:00:09 Alison_Chaiken: thanks for the info, checking it out now Nov 23 05:17:38 hi Nov 23 05:23:46 Hi, it seems I cannot login to wiki.meego.com directly. But it's no problem to login to meego.com and keep the session in wiki.meego.com. Is it common? Nov 23 05:29:18 maybe an oversight copyleft Nov 23 05:42:10 Yeah maybe a cache or something. Sometimes http://wiki.meego.com/Special:UserLogin doesn't redirect to the meego main page. Nov 23 05:42:50 It's correct now. Thanks. Nov 23 06:35:59 anybody know how to fix the "Init: Id"x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" issue? Seems it's connected to a process meego-power-ico being killed Nov 23 06:38:29 well, disable it in /etc/inittab Nov 23 06:38:35 and diagnose with .xsession-errors Nov 23 06:38:57 in /home/meego Nov 23 06:41:40 Stskeeps: ah, I think I've found the culprit. The folder /usr/share/themes is busted Nov 23 06:42:01 Stskeeps: I installed libmeegotouch and that must have screwed things up :) Nov 23 06:42:08 ah, as usual ;) Nov 23 06:42:09 anybody able to .tar.gz up that folder for me? Nov 23 06:42:11 haha Nov 23 06:42:29 Stskeeps: well, I did manage to get Qt Quick components running so :) Nov 23 06:43:06 there's this rpm or zypper feature to verify checksums Nov 23 06:43:09 or missing files Nov 23 06:43:11 might be useful Nov 23 06:45:44 Stskeeps: aaah, just reinstalled the netbook theme and all is sweetness Nov 23 06:45:54 * hhartz gives Stskeeps a manly bear-hug Nov 23 06:46:20 we should probably file a bug against mtf :P Nov 23 06:46:35 Morning Stskeeps Nov 23 06:46:44 Stskeeps: no, file a bug against rm -rf the theme folder :P Nov 23 06:47:20 ah :P Nov 23 06:50:39 Stskeeps: stupidity must be punished, eh? Nov 23 07:27:28 are the meego maling lists working? Nov 23 07:27:51 I have a message on -packaging from 6 minutes ago Nov 23 07:29:29 yes now I got mine Nov 23 07:29:44 they stopped coming via gmail though Nov 23 07:40:32 morning Nov 23 07:43:12 adeus: I think there might be something wrong with gmail rather than the mailing lists Nov 23 07:43:28 adeus: I just sent myself a newsletter testing email and it hasn't come through yet Nov 23 07:44:19 yes Nov 23 08:08:56 good night and good day to all Nov 23 08:23:59 kismeter: sure ... what are you planning on doing? Nov 23 08:25:29 we can talk here... Nov 23 08:25:57 I see Nov 23 08:25:57 ok Nov 23 08:26:50 ah, csw_ocube is back too Nov 23 08:27:10 csw_ocube: talk here, not msg please Nov 23 08:29:29 kismeter: sorry - your meego.com account? Nov 23 08:30:05 csw_ocube: and what where you planning on doing on the OBS? Nov 23 08:32:35 so csw_ocube and kismeter ... I'm off soon. If you want enabling then now is a good time to answer. Nov 23 08:34:37 my meego.com account is kismeter Nov 23 08:35:48 and what apps are you looking at? Nov 23 08:35:56 lbt, i read to ask you for using obs, but i have some question before... you have some time? or i can ask you later... Nov 23 08:36:10 How long does it usually take to get a new event in the meego.com events list? (And does anyone know who approves them?) Nov 23 08:36:22 mtameni: fire away and I'll get back as I can :) Nov 23 08:36:35 meeting in 2 but I can type Nov 23 08:37:07 middleware Nov 23 08:37:33 kismeter: that's not an app :) Nov 23 08:37:44 lbt, i want to port library already packaged for debian... i'm writing the spec file, after that if i understand correctly i can use obs to build the package and made it avaiable.. right? Nov 23 08:37:51 yep Nov 23 08:38:05 what's your meego.com account ? Nov 23 08:38:10 netvandal Nov 23 08:39:26 done ... amazing what a little friendly conversation gets you isn't it ;) Nov 23 08:39:53 all Meego community is friendly Nov 23 08:41:20 so kismeter... community OBS is an opensource place for OSI approved apps. I'm just asking what you're planning on doing there. "Middleware" seems a bit terse :) Nov 23 08:41:28 (or libs) Nov 23 08:41:48 lbt, hahah, thanks a lot :) Nov 23 08:42:58 my meego.com account is kismeter Nov 23 08:43:59 kismeter: you told that already... but what are you going to do in the community obs? Nov 23 08:45:22 to have deep understand about meego obs Nov 23 08:46:18 ohai jnwi, didn't notice you there. Which event this time :-P Nov 23 08:46:55 next Helsinki meetup. Tried to add it last week and it's not been approved yet Nov 23 08:47:05 and hi :) Nov 23 08:47:53 ah, right. Was scared for a moment there'd be another meego conference in May, this time in Helsinki :-P Nov 23 08:48:13 lbt: you're welcome Nov 23 08:48:23 :-P Nov 23 08:50:27 * warg stabs Stskeeps w/ a chicken nugget Nov 23 08:54:03 mm, food Nov 23 08:54:15 i'mi'm following this tutorial: http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Deb_conversion_example Nov 23 08:54:24 any other hint to port a libs packages Nov 23 08:54:28 ? Nov 23 09:01:54 lbt, you said done for me? right? Nov 23 09:02:27 adeus: whee, the email arrived Nov 23 09:03:16 yes with a 100 friends :) Nov 23 09:04:04 Stskeeps: ping Nov 23 09:04:23 pong Nov 23 09:08:13 mtameni: back - yes Nov 23 09:08:26 Myrtti: am I being reasonable? Nov 23 09:08:47 lbt, i have to wait a mail for login credential? Nov 23 09:08:52 lbt: yes Nov 23 09:09:17 mtameni: no - you should have immediate access using meego.com credentials Nov 23 09:09:29 lbt: btw, who's on the US server (recap: for my community obs access - arunsr) Nov 23 09:10:10 Ford_Prefect: he didn't appear last night :( Nov 23 09:10:48 lbt: ah, okay. No worries. Nov 23 09:12:08 lbt, hum.. login failed with meego.com credential Nov 23 09:14:22 Moo, myrtti, lbt Nov 23 09:14:30 mtameni: https://build.pub.meego.com/ ? Nov 23 09:14:36 RST38h: Baaa Nov 23 09:15:42 lbt, a ok, now works, i'm on the wrong domain... http://build.meego.com Nov 23 09:15:52 always helps Nov 23 09:16:20 lbt, thanks a lot Nov 23 09:19:54 lbt: can I get build.pub.meego.com account. My meego account is kallam. Nov 23 09:20:01 Stskeeps: have you had time to look at slides Nov 23 09:20:14 kallam: sure - what are you planning on doing there ? Nov 23 09:20:17 timeless_mbp: no, been busy getting my osol server alive from a dead system usb stick Nov 23 09:20:22 Ford_Prefect: did you try this am ? Nov 23 09:20:47 ouch Nov 23 09:21:04 lbt: I tried just now, no luck Nov 23 09:21:18 timeless_mbp: setup lasted a year, so it's fine and my pool is fine Nov 23 09:21:28 * timeless_mbp nods Nov 23 09:22:17 lbt: try building some program that I don't want but build.meego.com Nov 23 09:22:45 kallam: you have a build.meego.com account ? Nov 23 09:23:13 Ford_Prefect: try now Nov 23 09:23:48 sec Nov 23 09:24:02 \o/ workee! Nov 23 09:24:08 ldap group membership is uber-sucky Nov 23 09:24:09 lbt: yes Nov 23 09:24:15 lbt: can't have both? Nov 23 09:24:17 kallam: OK - what's your www.meego.com username (usually different) Nov 23 09:24:23 lbt: thanks :) Nov 23 09:24:32 Stskeeps: no ... but it's a great "this guy is sane" check Nov 23 09:24:45 kallam: you *are* sane I assume ;) Nov 23 09:25:03 lbt: i can vouch for kallam's abilities, yeah Nov 23 09:25:23 mmm you have abilities so clearly the sanity correlation is low Nov 23 09:25:51 lbt: meego.com kallam, build.meego.com kalle.lampila Nov 23 09:26:08 I was wondering what use I'd have for a build account, then I realised I could make pink pony wallpaper packages. Nov 23 09:26:09 done ... try that Nov 23 09:26:14 probably not a good idea though Nov 23 09:26:21 Myrtti: it's a great idea Nov 23 09:26:35 (really... not uk sarcasm :) ) Nov 23 09:26:46 I hate wallpaper packages myself :-D Nov 23 09:26:56 meh ... it will be the meego way Nov 23 09:27:46 kallam: can you confirm it works... Nov 23 09:27:56 did I miss anyone? Nov 23 09:29:43 Myrtti: added you too - no excuses now Nov 23 09:29:56 oh ffs. Now I'm getting Facebook notification emails from last night... Nov 23 09:30:13 wondered where they went, apparently gmail really did have some sort of constipation Nov 23 09:30:14 l8r all Nov 23 09:30:43 awwwww, damnit Nov 23 09:33:55 o/ bergie Nov 23 09:34:30 lbt: should that be same username and passwd than www.meego.com? Nov 23 09:34:44 yes Nov 23 09:35:07 passwd changes take an hour to sync Nov 23 09:36:58 hey lbt Nov 23 09:38:39 lbt: I get Nov 23 09:39:04 lbt: I get Authentication failed error Nov 23 09:40:07 The website at meego.com contains elements from the site thenokiablog.com, which appears to host malware Nov 23 09:40:11 :O Nov 23 09:40:32 X-Fade: ^^ Nov 23 09:40:34 file a bug please Nov 23 09:42:49 :S im so tired Nov 23 09:42:54 i wrote mugs.beego.com Nov 23 09:42:55 :S Nov 23 09:43:11 kallam: ah... never give anyone a choice... :) I enabled kalle.lampila not kallam ..... try now Nov 23 09:43:26 heh Nov 23 09:43:29 is there a public account for filing bugs? Nov 23 09:43:30 * lbt *will* write a "validate user exists" test Nov 23 09:43:44 summel: if you have a meego account you can file a bug Nov 23 09:43:46 summel: anonymous ? Nov 23 09:43:53 if you use openid, you can use that to log in Nov 23 09:43:56 something like that Nov 23 09:43:59 no Nov 23 09:44:10 lbt: now it works. Thanks. Nov 23 09:44:17 i dont want to sign up on yet another website where i post one bug report and then never log in again :P Nov 23 09:44:46 summel, i'm curious, what's your basis for thinking thenokiablog.com hosts malware? Nov 23 09:44:46 summel: if you're here, you probably care about meego Nov 23 09:44:54 ieatlint: chrome says that Nov 23 09:44:55 ieatlint: camino says so too Nov 23 09:44:57 i actually think that that is a real blog Nov 23 09:45:04 timeless_mbp: well i cared about meego some time ago Nov 23 09:45:07 chrome on my system doesn't, heh Nov 23 09:45:16 perhaps you should notify thenokiablog.com Nov 23 09:45:21 when i hoped that meego would support WPA2 Wifi Networks anytime soon Nov 23 09:45:22 :S Nov 23 09:45:26 and have them figure out what's up, and deal with it with google Nov 23 09:45:30 ieatlint: users generally don't know *how* to notify sites Nov 23 09:45:40 it's perfectly reasonable to tell a downstream Nov 23 09:45:53 because presumably the downstream knew how to contact the person when the person asked to be added Nov 23 09:46:05 The website at thenokiablog.com contains elements from sites which appear to host malware Nov 23 09:46:10 Malware http://odnon.org/dsdfkjsdkjkjsdfkjsdlkkds/ Safe Browsing diagnostic page Nov 23 09:46:10 Malware http://odnon.org/dsdfkjsdkjkjsdfkjsdlkkds/ Safe Browsing diagnostic page Nov 23 09:46:29 there's an obvious "contact" section on thenokiablog.com Nov 23 09:46:35 ieatlint: um Nov 23 09:46:35 i wont go on thenokiablog.com for contact information when i get that message Nov 23 09:46:36 :O Nov 23 09:46:54 ieatlint: please *don't* tell people to bypass safe browsing Nov 23 09:46:56 that's insane Nov 23 09:47:04 heh Nov 23 09:47:10 i'm reminded of a security dev @mozilla.com Nov 23 09:47:18 he got a safe browsing warning while using firefox Nov 23 09:47:21 i'll go ahead and post a comment on the contact page Nov 23 09:47:25 his immediate reaction was to try the page in IE Nov 23 09:47:30 summel: thanks for pasting the links here though... Nov 23 09:47:35 having done that.. he said something like "oops, that was stupid" Nov 23 09:47:42 95% chance their ad service is aggregating a site that chrome feels is suspicious Nov 23 09:47:44 Myrtti: there is a warning in front of them :) Nov 23 09:47:55 ieatlint: "feels" is a weak word Nov 23 09:48:04 no, not really Nov 23 09:48:06 ieatlint: and it isn't chrome Nov 23 09:48:09 summel: I still wouldn't have pasted them, some people are stupid enough to configure their irc clients to auto-open links Nov 23 09:48:13 it's google's safe browsing initiative Nov 23 09:48:16 as i said, camino agrees Nov 23 09:48:20 Myrtti: well thats theyr fault then Nov 23 09:48:33 summel: no Nov 23 09:48:34 insurance wouldnt pay if you leave the door open also :P Nov 23 09:48:52 summel: no, it's your fault for not considering it and propagating the links further Nov 23 09:48:56 someone might accidentally click on a link because the lines move Nov 23 09:49:02 why should i consider something like that? Nov 23 09:49:06 thats just plain supid Nov 23 09:49:09 because you're a good netizen Nov 23 09:49:11 summel: wrongdoings of others do not justify yours Nov 23 09:49:15 :S Nov 23 09:49:21 you're taking the time to report something relating to malware Nov 23 09:49:25 just because someone else is stupid doesn't mean you have to be Nov 23 09:49:27 take the time to think about why malware is dangerous Nov 23 09:50:57 there, i've submitted a notice to the person running the site Nov 23 09:51:09 continue with your fear rant Nov 23 09:51:31 summel: out of curiosity, if you were interested in meego a while ago, why haven't you created a meego account? Nov 23 09:51:47 note that historically maemo and meego have given away interesting goodies for people who are involved Nov 23 09:51:58 heck, 750+ people got ideapads last week for being involved Nov 23 09:52:07 and 1000 people got umbrellas and shirts Nov 23 09:52:27 (the umbrella was an invitation to talk to airport security about the ideapad) Nov 23 09:52:32 timeless_mbp: i did but i cant remember the login name and the password and the maila dress i used istn valid anymore Nov 23 09:52:43 ieatlint: ty :) Nov 23 09:52:50 summel: you should have added openid for it Nov 23 09:53:00 do you really not have an openid provider? Nov 23 09:53:01 maybe i should Nov 23 09:53:09 oh i have several Nov 23 09:53:13 right Nov 23 09:53:14 i just dont really like it Nov 23 09:53:19 i've started to like it Nov 23 09:53:26 i dont want to use just one password for all my accounts Nov 23 09:53:33 THAT is also stupid Nov 23 09:53:34 .P Nov 23 09:54:02 i would use openid if i could use a OTP-generator with the login information Nov 23 09:54:49 ? Nov 23 09:54:57 one password for your openid provider Nov 23 09:55:07 random never used passwords for all your openid authorized accounts Nov 23 09:55:14 yes and as soon as a person has that one password it can login to all my accounts! Nov 23 09:55:14 it's like sshkeys Nov 23 09:55:40 wouldn't you rather *know* when they're doing it? Nov 23 09:55:48 if someone else posts something to meego.com as you Nov 23 09:55:54 and they also have keys to your bank account Nov 23 09:56:06 wouldn't it be better for someone to tell you "hey, did you post something to meego?" Nov 23 09:56:19 and you say "oh no, i've had my creds stolen, my bank's vulnerable" Nov 23 09:56:21 btw, this page might be of interest http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://thenokiablog.com/&client=chromium&hl=en-US Nov 23 09:56:27 than for you *not* to know Nov 23 09:56:49 you'll note that google explicitly states the site is not known to host malware Nov 23 09:57:09 oO timeless_mbp your example lacks practicality Nov 23 09:57:13 ieatlint: that page is confusing Nov 23 09:57:23 summel: yeah, don't pair your bank :) Nov 23 09:57:24 why would somebody tell me that i posted something to a website? Nov 23 09:57:31 besiedes that yes Nov 23 09:57:31 :D Nov 23 09:57:35 *besides Nov 23 09:57:38 summel: if the post is out of character for you Nov 23 09:57:43 ha Nov 23 09:57:45 people will ask if you did something Nov 23 09:57:49 as if anybody here would notice Nov 23 09:57:50 :D Nov 23 09:57:51 e.g. if it's a curse Nov 23 09:57:56 or spam Nov 23 09:57:58 or ... Nov 23 09:58:04 Morning, all Nov 23 09:58:08 morning Nov 23 09:58:13 i still prefer using different passwords for all my logins Nov 23 09:58:16 ieatlint: that's confusing Nov 23 09:58:23 as i said... i would use openid with OTP Nov 23 09:58:49 yeah, i have a feeling that if google did that to a website that actually had a bank of lawyers, they'd be getting a very interesting lawsuit Nov 23 09:58:55 ieatlint: What is the current listing status for thenokiablog.com? Nov 23 09:58:55 Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this web site may harm your computer. Nov 23 09:59:18 summel, yeah, but it provides no evidence of this, and even goes on to state that it is not known to host malware Nov 23 09:59:41 ieatlint: the bank would lose Nov 23 09:59:44 which is fine w/ me Nov 23 10:00:17 ieatlint: there is more content from other websites on thenokiablog.com Nov 23 10:00:22 then clearly you know more than i do Nov 23 10:00:30 ieatlint: Yeah, I saw that too. Google popped up a huge nasty warning Nov 23 10:00:46 odnon dot org Nov 23 10:00:56 buywisecredit dot net Nov 23 10:00:57 summel, "Over the past 90 days, thenokiablog.com did not appear to function as an intermediary for the infection of any sites." Nov 23 10:01:09 well maybe they just started Nov 23 10:01:16 if i get more then 3 HUGE red warnings Nov 23 10:01:23 i dont want to visit that site anymore Nov 23 10:01:39 also everything that loads stuff from buywisecredit dot net is suspicious Nov 23 10:02:10 I must be blind... The event I submitted is actually in the events list. Somehow I was under the impression I was supposed to get an email when it was approved. Nov 23 10:02:27 summel, not trying to change your mind on it Nov 23 10:02:35 no Nov 23 10:02:35 :D Nov 23 10:02:41 just stating that you're villifying a site without any evidence of anything Nov 23 10:02:52 well Nov 23 10:02:59 when i load that site, i can find nothing that references an "odnon.org" or a "buywisecredit.net" Nov 23 10:03:12 why should anything from buywisecredit dot net be on that website? oO Nov 23 10:03:25 * RST38h wonders why anyone cares Nov 23 10:03:44 ieatlint: f i click on "ignore this warning" i get a second warning with odon and if i ignore that one i get a third warning with buywisecredit Nov 23 10:03:54 summel: either honeypot-machine for websurfing or browser into chroot-jail :D Nov 23 10:04:20 summel, yeah, my point is that google themselves say the site is not known to host malware, and if you choose to go through your warnings, you'll find no reference to either of those sites Nov 23 10:04:46 hm ok Nov 23 10:05:41 ieatlint: well it probably would not be just suspicious if they knew that there is malware hosted Nov 23 10:05:43 slaine, Hi Sorry I missed you yesterday.You were asking about why meego and not moblin Nov 23 10:06:03 No Nov 23 10:06:16 I was asking about what you brought over from Moblin (just curious) Nov 23 10:06:26 ieatlint: in the whole sourcode never does odon or buywisecredits show up once Nov 23 10:06:39 nor in linked images or stylesheets or anywhere else Nov 23 10:06:46 so i guess it really is a false warning Nov 23 10:06:46 slaine, nothing really .just experience Nov 23 10:07:00 anyways the site maintainer should be notified :D Nov 23 10:07:09 well, you where talking about packages etc. was just curious Nov 23 10:07:19 was thinking of porting over the original moblin gtk theme Nov 23 10:07:24 summel: If site owner cares, he will fix the site Nov 23 10:07:25 slaine, I am not a developer so I cannot 'build' stuff - well not yet Nov 23 10:07:27 as after some usage, I prefere it Nov 23 10:07:35 summel: If ste owner does not care, I do not see why you would Nov 23 10:07:50 Hmm I have already hacked into in a got the splash for shutdown Nov 23 10:08:03 slaine, Hmm I have already hacked into in a got the splash for shutdown Nov 23 10:08:18 slaine, and a few other bits and pieces Nov 23 10:08:45 yeah Nov 23 10:08:55 slaine, would love to have the old myzone panel icons. Would it be easy to do ...?? Nov 23 10:09:50 slaine, more than happy to help where I can Nov 23 10:10:30 slaine, in fact if I could I would love to help out as I really liked the way the moblin interface worked Nov 23 10:13:26 andybleaden: it works pretty much the same way, the theme was just updated Nov 23 10:14:03 you could grab the moblin icon theme source rpm from the Fedora 13 repo's and recompile it for meego 1.1 Nov 23 10:14:36 slaine, grab - yes recompile- would not have a clue? Nov 23 10:14:58 sudo zypper install rpmdev-tools Nov 23 10:15:09 rpmbuild --rebuild Nov 23 10:15:36 hey saltsa_ Nov 23 10:15:40 and slaine Nov 23 10:15:49 (curse you tab complete) Nov 23 10:16:08 Hey CosmoHill Nov 23 10:18:10 slaine, ok maybe I could have a go at that and let you know how I get on ok Nov 23 10:18:51 If that doesn't "just work" then we extract the source rpm and fiddle with the spec file to see if we can sort it Nov 23 10:21:03 slaine, cool. will give it a bash perhaps on Thursday and see how I get on. Will notify you via here if I run into trouble. Where would I put them for others to test ? Nov 23 10:21:32 no idea yet Nov 23 10:22:36 slaine, perhaps in the wiki under here http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP Nov 23 10:25:13 slaine, any road I will have a go ..need to split Nov 23 10:25:45 I guess that'd be the place, I've not had a chance to look into it yet Nov 23 10:25:57 I should get my wifi drivers up there Nov 23 10:26:09 lbt, I can't recall if we thought it'd be ok to put them up or not Nov 23 10:26:38 slaine, well they are 'nearly'open aren't they Nov 23 10:27:21 slaine: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=480785&posted=1#post480785 :) Nov 23 10:27:57 CosmoHill: nice Nov 23 11:00:04 alterego: it probably cleared your history anyway :) Nov 23 11:01:12 wrong channel :P Nov 23 11:09:25 * CosmoHill pokes dazo Nov 23 11:10:53 Stskeeps: Quick fix reaction: delete everything. Nov 23 11:11:07 Stskeeps: One would've hoped followed up with a careful restore, but p'raps not. Nov 23 11:11:27 What's this recent trend of using Intel CE4100 for all STBs? Wouldn't that make them cost $200 at a minimum? Nov 23 11:11:56 Jaffa: well, the thing is that afaik only -some- posts were deleted and i was able to access those before Nov 23 11:12:01 Jaffa: so i wonder if something fucked up Nov 23 11:12:09 before being after the post deletion Nov 23 11:12:58 Stskeeps: Interesting. I couldn't - but I didn't try extensively (cos of the indices being deleted ;-)) Nov 23 11:20:34 ralnaemi, do you know the price of CE41xx? Nov 23 11:21:09 arfoll: I'd love to know :) Nov 23 11:21:44 slaine, wouldn't be able to tell you if I knew Nov 23 11:22:04 lol Nov 23 11:25:00 The CE4100 is not available on the general market and the price varies with the selected configuration. The Chips are actually manufactured for each individual orders. Get a requests for a few 100,000 and you will get an offer :-) Nov 23 11:26:04 In the mean time you have a british company which sells a development kit for CE4100 (but I cannot garantee that it works (I actually had leak that it is not 100% ready yet) see http://www.cc-e.co.uk/ Nov 23 11:26:30 damming msn's website is so full of crap it takes forever to load Nov 23 11:26:35 Perfect. I've been looking for development kits. Nov 23 11:28:01 now all you need is some spare time and this link - http://dl.boxee.tv/boxee-ce4100-16126-source.tar.xz Nov 23 11:39:14 The Boxxe project is not developped on MeeGo but on the Intel embedded version of Linux called in their Jargon SDK. Better to stick to MeeGo. Nov 23 11:40:17 dominig, except meego on ce4100 still isn't anywhere to be found (openly) Nov 23 11:42:52 Amino Freedom should be the first implementation, right? Nov 23 11:55:04 lbt: Did you see the Trunk:non-oss(:Testing) on meego-packaging? May make interesting precedents for various parts of the community OBS Nov 23 11:57:42 well at least I know why the boobie test fails now. Nov 23 11:57:50 (on lesser hardware :P) Nov 23 11:58:47 <_MeeGoBot_> _MeeGoBot_ will be down due to system maintenance for about 1h Nov 23 12:01:29 Jaffa: copying core isn't always high on my list ;) Nov 23 12:02:12 barisione: err Nov 23 12:02:16 here :D Nov 23 12:02:20 lbt: :D Nov 23 12:02:29 too many tabs !!! Nov 23 12:02:54 barisione, please give this man a coffee! Nov 23 12:03:00 lbt: can I get access to the community obs please? I work for collabora and going to start a project on meego soonish Nov 23 12:03:08 no probs Nov 23 12:03:10 (I worked on maemo previously) Nov 23 12:03:14 cheers Nov 23 12:03:23 barisione: done Nov 23 12:03:32 darn Nov 23 12:03:37 value #0 already exists Nov 23 12:03:39 I have a window open ;) Nov 23 12:03:44 hehe Nov 23 12:03:45 thanks Nov 23 12:03:46 'e is too quick Nov 23 12:04:39 lbt, ping Nov 23 12:04:48 pong Nov 23 12:04:56 same as barisione Nov 23 12:05:08 Collaboran in need for access to the community obs Nov 23 12:05:13 my username in meego.com is luisbg Nov 23 12:05:25 we'll start weekly meego-qa-tools meeting at #meego-meeting in 3 minutes. welcome! Nov 23 12:05:27 hah - I beat X-Fade Nov 23 12:05:55 vilvo: thanks for the announce Nov 23 12:12:10 lbt, X-Fade, whoever gave me access! Thanks! \o/ Nov 23 12:18:23 at the guinness factory, everybody raised a glass and said cheers with everyone else, if we could make a similar apps which would do same but with phones, we could have a list of everyone we talk to during an evening without messing Nov 23 12:19:37 hey lcuk Nov 23 12:20:27 hi CosmoHill \o Nov 23 12:20:43 * lcuk just reading from ideapad todo list: "make cheers app" Nov 23 12:20:50 lcuk: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showpost.php?p=480785&postcount=24 Nov 23 12:22:11 * lcuk wishes people would not use PM to state the obvious Nov 23 12:22:22 someone just said theres an app already for iphone Nov 23 12:22:28 bah humbug Nov 23 12:22:45 hmm do we have an current workaround for netbook in virtualbox? I'm seeing meego-power-ico segfault Nov 23 12:22:46 has anyone tried to port xcode yet *grin* Nov 23 12:23:15 thanks to person who did point it out Nov 23 12:23:18 that requires an iphone tho Nov 23 12:23:26 CosmoHill, why Nov 23 12:23:27 its code Nov 23 12:23:28 :P Nov 23 12:23:34 recompile it Nov 23 12:23:47 i meant the iphone app requires an iphone Nov 23 12:23:58 only if compiled using the apple sdk I assume Nov 23 12:23:58 and it's not what I'd call open source Nov 23 12:24:13 to make an iphone app you need a mac Nov 23 12:24:30 also you can't test it on a physical iphone, you can only test it in an emulator Nov 23 12:24:40 missing what I mean Nov 23 12:24:55 most likely Nov 23 12:24:59 xcode is a compiler + some libraries to link to Nov 23 12:25:12 actually xcode is just an IDE Nov 23 12:26:08 true, well whats the actual description of the compiled toolkit? Nov 23 12:26:35 * CosmoHill shurgs Nov 23 12:26:44 the compiler is gcc if you're interested Nov 23 12:26:57 Using built-in specs. Nov 23 12:26:57 Target: powerpc-apple-darwin9 Nov 23 12:26:57 Configured with: /var/tmp/gcc_42/gcc_42-5577~1/src/configure --disable-checking --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --enable-languages=c,objc,c++,obj-c++ --program-transform-name=/^[cg][^.-]*$/s/$/-4.2/ --with-slibdir=/usr/lib --build=i686-apple-darwin9 --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.0.0 --program-prefix= --host=powerpc-apple-darwin9 --target=powerpc-apple-darwin9 Nov 23 12:26:57 Thread model: posix Nov 23 12:26:59 gcc version 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5577) Nov 23 12:27:01 oops Nov 23 12:27:12 * lcuk giggles Nov 23 12:27:29 next time I'll do that int he command line and paste the line I want Nov 23 12:27:49 lcuk: You are so cheerful, it is eerie =) Nov 23 12:28:04 RST38h, actually happy this morning :) Nov 23 12:28:14 as in happy happy Nov 23 12:28:21 http://liqbase.net/20101123_003.jpg Nov 23 12:28:51 i found out, I can sorta paint with my fingers :) but I have to use my chalk board writing hand ;) Nov 23 12:29:16 Jaffa: non-oss is for hardware adaptations mostly - ie, where we would put SGX drivers in Nov 23 12:29:32 Jaffa: MeeGo core + handset ux does not compile against non-oss Nov 23 12:30:06 Jaffa: main condition to be there is that the blobs has to be redistributable and i think, royalty-free Nov 23 12:33:19 lcuk: What happened? Nov 23 12:36:58 guys, i'm packaging a lib, i should split package in lib and lib-devel? Nov 23 12:37:22 wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines Nov 23 12:37:35 lcuk: Man, you could paint with your fingers for ages, just get some finger paint :) Nov 23 12:37:52 lcuk: Will the lenovo contraption recognize pressure by the way? Nov 23 12:38:01 Stskeeps, thanks Nov 23 12:38:35 RST38h, ona 4" screen its not comfortable Nov 23 12:38:39 but on 10" its ok Nov 23 12:38:44 idk Nov 23 12:39:59 lcuk: I guess the key thing would be the proper pressure readings Nov 23 12:40:11 lcuk: N900 never did that rerliably Nov 23 12:40:49 RST38h, yeah but thats not important really for the pencil notes i take Nov 23 12:41:48 the n900 is great for them, i took loads at the conf :) Nov 23 12:42:04 lcuk: Except that pencil notes are difficult to do with a finger :) Nov 23 12:42:18 yup Nov 23 12:42:37 chalkboard writing mode required Nov 23 12:45:30 Hi everybody! Nov 23 12:45:40 hi imonline Nov 23 12:46:04 I have a question, don't know if this is the right place Nov 23 12:46:12 sure it is Nov 23 12:46:19 first of all, I can't seem to get my password to register with the community :( Nov 23 12:46:23 * lbt guesses the question is about gardening Nov 23 12:46:24 so I'm still inactive there Nov 23 12:46:37 humm Nov 23 12:46:48 Is the problem with Sony Vaio W Series (the black screen problem) solved? Nov 23 12:46:55 you mean your system password Nov 23 12:47:16 yup, my password after I signed up! Nov 23 12:47:37 for like the whole comp Nov 23 12:47:57 I would go into the terminal and type passwd Nov 23 12:48:09 and that should let you set up your password Nov 23 12:48:19 naaaah, I meant the website's community password Nov 23 12:48:23 thanx though Nov 23 12:48:32 oh Nov 23 12:48:33 sorry Nov 23 12:48:40 candy: I'm with you ; Nov 23 12:48:47 thank you Nov 23 12:49:01 either way, the problem with the black screen has been solved? Nov 23 12:49:08 thats good Nov 23 12:49:14 this thread: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=376 Nov 23 12:50:07 last post was: Old 08-02-2010, 10:16 AM so it's kinda old I guess Nov 23 12:50:18 wait is meego another distro Nov 23 12:50:48 candy: Meego is a distro, sure. Nov 23 12:50:53 I just stumbled a pone this chat room Nov 23 12:51:24 lbt: Hi. May I get access to the Meego OBS please? My username is "jonnylamb". Nov 23 12:51:49 * CosmoHill twitches Nov 23 12:52:00 I put < instead of <= and that broke my program Nov 23 12:52:07 and it's taken me forever to figure that out Nov 23 12:52:14 jonnylamb: sure... Nov 23 12:52:31 CosmoHill: been there, done that, got the scars... Nov 23 12:52:44 Bostik: scars? were you programming a robot? Nov 23 12:52:46 jonnylamb: Collabora right? Nov 23 12:52:50 lbt: yes Nov 23 12:52:51 done Nov 23 12:52:55 Thanks! Nov 23 12:53:06 heh, not that bad :) Nov 23 12:55:07 does anyone know where the libglx.so on http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox comes from? Couldn't find anything besides that a user Haitao added it to that page. Nov 23 12:55:40 I'd like to try 1.1 netbook in virtualbox but apparently that binary without source doesn't work with that Nov 23 12:57:24 lbt: so I heard something about there also being an OBS for Fremantle. are you the person I have to talk to to get an account on that? Nov 23 12:59:06 marnanel, X-Fade should know Nov 23 12:59:18 MohammadAG: cheers Nov 23 12:59:21 X-Fade: ping Nov 23 13:00:00 hey, is it normal for rpms to have effective dependencies on themselves? I'm asking here because this is in a meego environment Nov 23 13:00:25 let's say i have package "foo", and saying "zypper if --requires foo" prints e.g. libfoo.so.0 in the requires list Nov 23 13:00:45 and then "zypper wp libfoo.so.0" says that it's provided by foo itself Nov 23 13:00:58 marnanel: pong Nov 23 13:02:28 And host/vm is not different from dcp view? Nov 23 13:02:46 Lol, that -EWINDOW thing again. Nov 23 13:03:10 X-Fade: I was told you might know about how to get an account on the Fremantle OBS Nov 23 13:03:43 marnanel: Well, it was only an experiment a few months ago. Nov 23 13:04:00 X-Fade: oh, sorry; I was hearing rumours that it was a live thing Nov 23 13:04:01 marnanel: It is no where near production ready, really needs some love again. Nov 23 13:04:16 * marnanel nods? well, good luck with it :) Nov 23 13:05:01 marnanel: you're not feeling loving then ? Nov 23 13:05:15 marnanel: Well it is live. You can use it, but don't expect your packages to go anywhere. Nov 23 13:05:30 marnanel: And expect the content to be old :) Nov 23 13:05:32 lbt: ha, if someone would clone me I could love everything and everyone Nov 23 13:05:39 X-Fade: I'd quite like to play Nov 23 13:07:13 marnanel: pm me with a desired username and email address. Nov 23 13:08:42 hey Robot101.... if you'd like to arrange a big Collabora list of OBS people that's cool ... would also save the flood of /msgs :) Nov 23 13:11:10 wow my assignments are getting done fast Nov 23 13:11:24 sorry all again, does anyone know if there's a solution for the MeeGo Installation Black screen problem for Sony Vaio W series? (thanks and sorry) Nov 23 13:11:38 imonline: what graphics card do you have? Nov 23 13:11:47 not sure? Nov 23 13:11:55 hold on Nov 23 13:11:59 is there an ATi or Nvidia sticker on the laptop? Nov 23 13:12:14 either one Nov 23 13:12:18 hold on please Nov 23 13:12:22 opening netbook Nov 23 13:12:26 * CosmoHill grabs onto his desk Nov 23 13:12:33 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=376 here's the problem posted, I just don't know if it's solved Nov 23 13:14:03 can you google your model number and find out the graphics card? Nov 23 13:14:09 sure Nov 23 13:14:13 thanx and w8 Nov 23 13:16:22 GMA 950 Nov 23 13:17:55 that's the vga Nov 23 13:18:00 lbt: ask rodarvus to get a list together for you? :) Nov 23 13:18:57 lbt: I'll send you a list :) Nov 23 13:19:29 cool Nov 23 13:19:50 lbt: lbt@projects.maemo.org is the email I have, do you prefer another? Nov 23 13:19:58 imonline: This is likely a modesetting issue. KMS misbehaves on some hardware, especially if the screen is misreporting the EEID Nov 23 13:20:03 david@dgreaves.com Nov 23 13:20:21 imonline: this is not unique to Meego, work-around might be found online Nov 23 13:20:22 I'm not even sure the other works Nov 23 13:20:33 imonline: but please file a bugreport to make sure this issue is tracked Nov 23 13:20:46 hi jonnor and thanx for the reply Nov 23 13:20:54 it is a known issue already in the forums Nov 23 13:20:56 (first make sure that the problem has not been reported before) Nov 23 13:21:02 it is Nov 23 13:21:03 lbt: will use it, thanks! Nov 23 13:21:47 imonline: link? Nov 23 13:22:17 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=376 Nov 23 13:22:43 Forumposts are not bugreports. Nov 23 13:23:49 oh good grief that forum post is illegible Nov 23 13:23:55 my brain implodes Nov 23 13:25:08 so I guess there's no solution, right? Nov 23 13:25:33 imonline: there are solutions. Nov 23 13:26:52 First thing to try is to set a correct mode explicitly. Nov 23 13:27:44 what exactly do you mean? Nov 23 13:37:06 imonline: to use the video= kernel parameter to specify the mode for the screen Nov 23 13:37:09 http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.36/Documentation/fb/modedb.txt Nov 23 13:37:37 Some reports also indicate that disabling SVIDEO output works around these problems Nov 23 13:37:59 that would be done with "video=SVIDEO-1:d" Nov 23 13:39:35 ok, so what should I change over there? Nov 23 13:40:23 you can try adding the parameter I qouted there Nov 23 13:40:40 I have win 7 started already installed Nov 23 13:40:43 no linux so far Nov 23 13:41:17 or use "video=1024x800@60Hz" or similar (you need to find out what values your screen wants) Nov 23 13:42:34 so, change the monitor resolution to 1024x768, ok Nov 23 13:42:36 done that Nov 23 13:42:47 not in Windows, that does not matter Nov 23 13:43:31 you need to modify the "kernel command line" or "grub command line". Search google to find out exactly how to do it Nov 23 13:43:40 this needs to be done when starting up Meego Nov 23 13:44:29 sorry again, I have NOT installed MeeGo, I got win 7 started and want to install meego, so I get this black screen when trying to install the os. Nov 23 13:44:41 how can I edit kernel or grub, withou linux already in there? Nov 23 13:44:59 the Meego installer is a full Linux system ;) Nov 23 13:46:08 which means? I can't do anything :( Nov 23 13:48:02 You will have to learn then Nov 23 13:48:38 sorry, my question is different Nov 23 13:48:51 can I access linux through win7? Nov 23 13:48:59 so you must mean something else, right? Nov 23 13:49:15 I mean something else. Nov 23 13:49:28 You need to put in the Meego installer media (the usb stick) Nov 23 13:49:29 boot it up Nov 23 13:49:48 yes, it doesn't! Nov 23 13:49:49 in the menu you need to edit the installer entry Nov 23 13:49:52 that's my problem! Nov 23 13:50:15 You said you get the menu where you can chose between "live" and "install only" Nov 23 13:50:37 that is grub, that is where you need to try out the changes. Nov 23 13:50:41 Boot MeeGo, Installtion only and Boot from local drive Nov 23 13:50:56 aw, with tab? below that? Nov 23 13:51:58 please do some research on your own, I will not spoonfeed you step by step Nov 23 13:52:42 you are right, either way I added video=1024x800@60Hz at that line and got same results. thanx though Nov 23 13:55:17 what's the preferred way to create a meta-package that installs other packages? Nov 23 13:55:51 Is there detailed documentation on YAML syntax anywhere? Nov 23 13:56:01 For example what strings are valid for "Builder:" Nov 23 14:02:46 has anyone else encountered some big dependency issues when trying to install the sdk? I seem to be missing dependencies on most things I try to install Nov 23 14:03:18 zypper install meego-sdk gives problems with dependencies for meego-sdk-ia32 Nov 23 14:03:54 and when trying basic things like wget, vlc, vim... there are dependencies missing there too.. Nov 23 14:04:02 any ideas? Nov 23 14:06:37 zinit, did you tried community repo? http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1451 Nov 23 14:06:43 is there a collective opinion on would MeeGo run on Dell Inspiron Duo? Nov 23 14:10:25 tried that yesterday... no go Nov 23 14:10:30 going to try it again Nov 23 14:13:35 bloody hell... wget is ofcourse not here Nov 23 14:14:44 Myrtti: Probably yes Nov 23 14:14:51 curl is there iirc Nov 23 14:14:58 curl -O Nov 23 14:15:32 soz, should have read back futher Nov 23 14:15:35 I thougth it was: curl -o outputfile Nov 23 14:15:41 Myrtti: cpu numbering (N550) suggests no Poulsbo Nov 23 14:15:47 -O uses the filename from the url Nov 23 14:16:19 Looks like a Pinetrail SoC Nov 23 14:16:20 zinit, you might try something like Nov 23 14:16:29 sudo zypper install pattern:development-tools Nov 23 14:16:37 then try installing the meego-sdk Nov 23 14:17:25 RST38h: it does have NM10 or whatever Intel chip in it Nov 23 14:18:50 tried the solution on the site you linked. no go Nov 23 14:19:27 is there a specific command to make your system update the repos? or rebuild the one I deleted? Nov 23 14:20:39 my first package compiled by obs :) https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libgrss&project=home%3Anetvandal Nov 23 14:20:49 if some one is interest :) Nov 23 14:21:25 Myrtti: That is Pinetrail Nov 23 14:21:37 Myrtti:A relatively harmless netbook chipset, in terms of compatibility Nov 23 14:22:04 mtameni: Hehe, compiling against every target you could find? :D Nov 23 14:22:28 RST38h: so getting multitouch to work wouldn't need too much hairpulling and nailchewing? Nov 23 14:22:32 Myrtti: Got IGD for video Nov 23 14:23:02 mtameni: Normally it should be enough to build against core. UX repos will include core anyway. Nov 23 14:23:04 Myrtti: Multitouch is a different business, ask lcuk and javispedro (they have been playing with multitouch on ideapad) Nov 23 14:23:08 ah Nov 23 14:23:44 X-Fade, i'm a bit too enthusiast? a ok... i remove the other so :) Nov 23 14:26:20 X-Fade, witch is the difference between core and extras atm? where i can read something about available target? Nov 23 14:26:40 mtameni: Noting atm as Extras is still empty. Nov 23 14:26:59 mtameni: More on that later I hope :) Nov 23 14:28:32 X-Fade, ok, so build only for meego_1.1_core for the moment Nov 23 14:28:44 should be enough Nov 23 14:29:34 mtameni: Yes. It should give you the same package anyway. Nov 23 14:29:55 X-Fade, thanks Nov 23 14:31:04 csw_ocube: can you ask in here please ... Nov 23 14:31:06 anyone want to build libXp-devel package? openmotif is missing it.. and timidity is missing that.. and flight of the amazon queen is missing that :) Nov 23 14:31:24 ok Nov 23 14:31:28 lbt Nov 23 14:31:33 ah :) Nov 23 14:31:48 just wondered what you were planning on building there... Nov 23 14:31:49 I want to get an authority to access ob Nov 23 14:31:59 yep.. Nov 23 14:32:25 lbt: now you know :) Nov 23 14:32:45 I would like to build a meego to armv6 (s3c6410 board) Nov 23 14:33:05 OK - sounds interesting Nov 23 14:33:11 yep Nov 23 14:33:11 are you talking to Stskeeps ? Nov 23 14:33:37 does anyone know how is qt application rotated on meego? does it use the transformed driver or something else? Nov 23 14:33:41 we have very limited resources right now so I would like to make sure that things like complete rebuilds are co-ordinated Nov 23 14:33:51 mm Im sorry i don't know its means Nov 23 14:34:01 stskeeps Nov 23 14:34:08 I'm trying to play scummvm things with ideapad's touch screen :) Nov 23 14:34:11 he is the MeeGo arm maintainer Nov 23 14:34:20 it is his irc name Nov 23 14:34:22 aha Nov 23 14:34:41 stskeep? Nov 23 14:34:49 +s Nov 23 14:35:01 lbt: no, n900 maintainer, arm is just a dream :P Nov 23 14:35:02 so ... the answer is "yes" ... but I'd like you to work with him Nov 23 14:35:03 csw_ocube: have you joined #meego-arm yet? Nov 23 14:35:14 Stskeeps: if we say it often enough ;) Nov 23 14:35:14 :p Nov 23 14:35:45 close your eyes and click your heels Nov 23 14:35:47 currently, I ported ivi on armb6 Nov 23 14:35:56 not completely Nov 23 14:36:02 so csw_ocube you are "swcho" Nov 23 14:36:02 armv6 Nov 23 14:36:08 yep Nov 23 14:36:18 done Nov 23 14:36:36 this is the *community* OBS ... yes? not core. Nov 23 14:36:40 csw_ocube: what armv6 build of meego did you use? Nov 23 14:36:44 ah.. no.. i haven't Nov 23 14:36:59 I am irc beginer Nov 23 14:36:59 Stskeeps: over to you ;) Nov 23 14:37:30 oh.... and welcome to #meego csw_ocube :) Nov 23 14:37:36 does anyone know how is qt application rotated on meego? does it use the transformed driver or something else? Nov 23 14:37:49 ^^ Nov 23 14:38:08 anyway, can i get it? Nov 23 14:38:17 csw_ocube: meego isn't currently built for armv6+vfp Nov 23 14:38:31 yep.. i know. Nov 23 14:38:51 and it isn't trivial to do a build for it :P Nov 23 14:38:53 in repo. there is armv5 Nov 23 14:38:59 meego ivi Nov 23 14:39:11 not anymore, we stopped building it in middle of 1.1 Nov 23 14:39:12 it is difficult to find it. Nov 23 14:39:20 yep.. so.. Nov 23 14:39:30 but.. Nov 23 14:39:48 currently we are porting armv6.. Nov 23 14:40:01 who is "we" ? Nov 23 14:40:23 me and my people Nov 23 14:40:27 s Nov 23 14:40:56 we will porting meego to armv7 using beagle Nov 23 14:41:45 we will start it when we get beagle. Nov 23 14:42:00 but it will take a much time Nov 23 14:42:03 ok, what method are you using to port to armv6? Nov 23 14:43:21 mm. from repo, i took its ivi armv5 version..(it is rare) Nov 23 14:43:24 #meego-arm, anyone....? Nov 23 14:43:44 and Nov 23 14:43:54 csw_ocube: let's discuss in the #meego-arm channel :) Nov 23 14:44:10 go? Nov 23 14:44:22 csw_ocube: /join #meego-arm Nov 23 14:47:34 lbt: hi! I would like to have an account in the community OBS Nov 23 14:48:30 I want to make a mirror of the MeeGo project (to build my own OBS) Nov 23 14:49:08 felipexil: Why would you need a community obs account for that? Nov 23 14:49:19 I mean, I have installed an OBS instance Nov 23 14:50:10 and I would like to make a mirror to start playing with the OBS system Nov 23 14:50:39 hmm, I was wondering : where is located the broadcom ethernet module on the meego ideapad image we got. Since I got a atheros version, I don't need it and I'd prefer to not keep a tainted kernel.. Nov 23 14:50:54 felipexil: You can just download all the packages from the repository and import those in your OBS? Nov 23 14:50:54 (but I confess I didn't spend a lot of time searching for it ;) Nov 23 14:52:29 felipexil: should be under non-oss somewhere, if there at all Nov 23 14:52:32 X-Fade: I am a noob, but I read somewhere that an easy way to start is by cloning a repository Nov 23 14:52:52 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS1.8_setup_openSUSE112#Mirror Nov 23 14:53:04 felipexil: I try to understand what you are trying to do :) Nov 23 14:53:44 X-Fade: I want to learn about MeeGo (for academic purposes) Nov 23 14:53:58 * CosmoHill is very pleased with his bash script :) Nov 23 14:54:19 and I would like to have my own infrastructure to build the whole system Nov 23 14:54:21 felipexil: Somehow I think you are starting off in the wrong direction ... Nov 23 14:55:18 X-Fade: I would like to modify/add low level components Nov 23 14:55:41 felipexil: Ah, that is already a more concrete goal :) Nov 23 14:55:49 :) Nov 23 14:56:07 For that you can do what we have done in community OBS. Nov 23 14:56:37 felipexil: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/Installation Nov 23 14:57:29 X-Fade: I followed the steps in http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_private_instance Nov 23 14:58:10 felipexil: For community obs, we don't like with MeeGo core obs. We just download released repositories and import those in our obs. Nov 23 14:58:19 s/like/link/ Nov 23 14:59:14 You can fetch our project configs through the web interface as that is readable for everybody. Nov 23 14:59:32 X-Fade: ok, I will try that. Thanks! Nov 23 15:07:38 would meego run on: http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/23/asus_eee_note_ea800/ Nov 23 15:09:38 Stskeeps: around? Nov 23 15:09:45 what's the status of Meego on n810? Nov 23 15:10:00 AstralStorm: rebuilding armv6+vfp still Nov 23 15:10:16 OpenGL? Nov 23 15:10:21 nah Nov 23 15:10:31 darn, so it will be slow? Nov 23 15:10:35 right now a bit stalled since my server system disk decided to kamikaze, so getting that working first Nov 23 15:10:39 dunno Nov 23 15:10:44 either way, can't run meego without a instruction set port, so Nov 23 15:10:49 we'll see :) Nov 23 15:12:40 if an application adds an icon to the menu in netbook (for instance) if that application is installed on handset, will the icon appear Nov 23 15:15:18 lcuk, if both of them use the same app folder yes Nov 23 15:15:56 though that's an obvious answer, but I never looked into the netbook version of MeeGo since... well, I have no atom based netbook Nov 23 15:17:15 hey about garage.. do i need to manually update yum cache or it does it automatically to refresh the packages for the apps? Nov 23 15:17:23 MohammadAG, that was the question really :) i know between (for example) maemo and ubuntu the icons/menus don't work the same :) with meego it should be, but since nobody had tried building and installing same apps on different uxes.. Nov 23 15:18:59 bergie: news.meego.com seems broken in terms of CSS (too small) and content on news.meego.com/blogs/ Nov 23 15:19:29 lcuk: Last time I looked there was a special properties file which defined which icons appeared where Nov 23 15:20:22 Jaffa: yep, Reggie and Niels also reported that. We'll look at it tomorrow Nov 23 15:20:52 ahhh jaffa cool, like the .desktop files then, just meegoised? Nov 23 15:23:43 dammit that's two connections I've crashed Nov 23 15:24:30 lcuk: Something like that. Dunno what happens if something's missing. Nov 23 15:24:44 lcuk: Technically, the way Fremantle does it isn't *too* far from the fd.o spec Nov 23 15:30:21 hmm Nov 23 15:30:24 hey w00t__ Nov 23 15:30:31 et lcuk Nov 23 15:30:48 the other day tero mentioned on twitter tuxpaint works with 2 finger painting ( which it sort of does) Nov 23 15:30:55 but it does the interleaved pattern Nov 23 15:32:19 lcuk: quick! put that cable back! Nov 23 15:32:35 irc runs on wireless now Nov 23 15:43:37 any one here that is able to help me enable wifi on msi wind u135dx with meego 1.1 netbook Nov 23 15:50:52 any one here that is able to help me enable wifi on msi wind u135dx with meego 1.1 netbook Nov 23 15:55:36 bart__: not me, but describing your problem here would be a first step so people can see whether they might be able to help Nov 23 15:56:28 lspci shows my card i just cant fins/ get drivers that work for it its based on the r3090 chipset Nov 23 15:56:36 find* Nov 23 16:12:38 lcuk: well, it quickly switches between the two points, so one could theoretically come up with a fancy mouse handler that detects the two real points (one isn't able to do the same pattern with a mouse or with a single filger) Nov 23 16:12:54 where filger means finger Nov 23 16:14:21 thp, yeah, I already know, I worked out even why boobie test fails too! Nov 23 16:14:23 http://liqbase.net/liq.20101123_111740.liqsketchedit.scr.png Nov 23 16:14:43 (it does not fail on the ideapad, but on large format devices it does) Nov 23 16:15:29 lcuk: boobie test? Nov 23 16:15:55 http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 Nov 23 16:15:58 for amusement Nov 23 16:17:02 pretty much all the large format panels fail in the same way Nov 23 16:17:43 especially frustating when playing 2 player airhockey on surface games ;) Nov 23 16:18:32 got it :) Nov 23 16:18:53 so the ideapad is affected by this was well? Nov 23 16:19:15 nope :) Nov 23 16:19:35 i tried it on the windows 7 install that the qt people had at their ovi stand Nov 23 16:19:50 obviously in linux we have driver issues of a different sort Nov 23 16:20:10 but thankfully the actual lower level appears to not have the issue :) Nov 23 16:20:25 so putting win7 (> starter) on it and qt >= 4.7 (??) will allow me to utilize the mt support in qt already? Nov 23 16:20:49 idk, i opened paint on it, but I assume so Nov 23 16:23:11 thp, theres a hacker who hangs around maemo and liqbase called merlin1991, he is also in Vienna, I mentioned you and the metalab you go to :) Nov 23 16:24:46 seanvk: morning Nov 23 16:26:06 lcuk: great :) not online right now? Nov 23 16:26:34 no,I just said to watch out for you since you know where the meetings might be Nov 23 16:32:35 http://xkcd.com/619/ Nov 23 16:33:27 hahahah Nov 23 16:34:07 * thiago doesn't even have fullscreen flash, much less smooth Nov 23 16:34:15 flash is too stupid to understand Xinerama Nov 23 16:34:31 I'm stuck at 360p on youtube Nov 23 16:34:51 if I want 480p I have to download it and play it via VLC Nov 23 16:35:14 you can switch to it with that drop-up thing Nov 23 16:35:23 then mplayer /tmp/Flash* Nov 23 16:35:38 who needs full-screen flash when we have full-screen mplayer? :-) Nov 23 16:36:11 note: be careful about what /tmp/Flash* left-overs you might have before you use this trick with other people Nov 23 16:36:18 I mean my laptop isn't able to handle more than 360p on youtube Nov 23 16:36:59 that sounded like experience talking there... Nov 23 16:39:17 it doesnt have to be fullscreen video, normal ui will make many happy :P Nov 23 16:39:35 CosmoHill: yes Nov 23 16:39:47 slightly embarrassing experience at that Nov 23 16:40:10 only slightly? could have been a lot worse Nov 23 16:40:26 yes, it could've Nov 23 16:40:45 I was very quick at pressing q Nov 23 16:41:30 one time I very quickly tugged the HDMI cable out of my laptop Nov 23 16:41:49 "look at this" "look at what?" NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL Nov 23 16:56:19 http://xkcd.com/340/ :) Nov 23 16:56:29 * CosmoHill 's code is compiling Nov 23 17:06:27 * qgil wonders what Attachmate thinks about MeeGo, OBS, Netbook UX, even Qt - if anything at this point Nov 23 17:10:39 well, OBS is a opensuse function mostly and the backbone of the suse project, so i'm not worried there Nov 23 17:10:53 CPTN holdings has bought 450 million dollars worth of Novell's Intellectual Property (tm) Nov 23 17:11:16 * berndhs still wonders who Attachmate is Nov 23 17:11:31 berndhs: they made terminal emulators, so maybe they wanted ncurses patents ;) Nov 23 17:11:48 ah yes, a possibility Nov 23 17:12:26 also I see that my irc client doesn't echo CTCP locally Nov 23 17:12:39 have to fix that Nov 23 17:13:59 who remembers the stty for that? Nov 23 17:14:45 how about the AT command? Nov 23 17:25:23 so, supposing an app has a bug. where would I find out where its bugtracker is so I can report it? (ie not everything is on bmc) Nov 23 17:25:51 maemo had the concept of the bugtracker field in the package Nov 23 17:31:08 hey about garage.. do i need to manually update yum cache or it does it automatically to refresh the packages for the apps? Nov 23 17:35:50 lcuk: if there is an equivalent of debian/changelog (or just the Maintainer: field), you could write there and ask for the bug tracker Nov 23 17:35:54 lcuk: which package? Nov 23 17:36:25 xchat, its ok I headed for their homepage and theres already a bug filed there about moblin at the netbook screen resolution Nov 23 17:36:47 cnanot save preferences because the button is offscreen Nov 23 17:36:59 hi RevdKathy_ Nov 23 17:37:10 Hi lcuk. Hi everyone Nov 23 18:04:24 * lcuk curses bug 440 Nov 23 18:04:27 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, ASSI, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi Nov 23 18:06:10 hm Nov 23 18:06:42 Ha! I am on quest to get everyone cursing bug #440 till it's fixed. :p Nov 23 18:06:45 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, ASSI, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi Nov 23 18:07:30 RevdKathy_, Nov 23 18:07:42 well, I managed to get the UI to *say( its connected to my adhoc network Nov 23 18:07:42 It's all my fault. I know Nov 23 18:07:50 which is more than I was before Nov 23 18:07:56 Mine hangs at 'associating' Nov 23 18:08:01 but now no packets are flowing Nov 23 18:08:12 yeah, mine did too until I filled in the addresses Nov 23 18:08:21 the adhoc here uses fixed ips and stuff Nov 23 18:08:42 I did that and still got nowhere Nov 23 18:08:57 yeah I know the expected addresses of my network Nov 23 18:09:06 It's the top open enhancement request by votes in the project jar Nov 23 18:09:19 normally it will be using dhcp, but since thats not allocating things Nov 23 18:09:23 its just bailing out Nov 23 18:09:25 its odd tho Nov 23 18:10:07 yeah I just voted for it too, I want to maintain an ahdoc network between my handset and netbook whilst out and about Nov 23 18:10:18 keep netbook in my bag and send stuff from phone back to it Nov 23 18:10:27 bluetooth is too heavy for video :( Nov 23 18:10:47 errr video is too heavy for bluetooth Nov 23 18:11:48 * lcuk also stuck trying to get handset image ontop of the ideapad Nov 23 18:11:52 err not image, packages Nov 23 18:15:21 anyone know a good channel to whine and complain about telepath-qt4 ? Nov 23 18:16:38 berndhs, well you could complain all you want, but that package doesn't exist Nov 23 18:16:42 :P Nov 23 18:16:51 telepathy-qt4 then Nov 23 18:17:32 Do we need a #bitch-and-whine channel? Nov 23 18:18:11 We have that already Nov 23 18:18:14 you could just have a discussion, check if theres bugs already filed based on that discussion, then follow/file them and watch and see how they get fixed Nov 23 18:18:34 I think i'm just using it wrong Nov 23 18:18:36 * lcuk notices things which arent always bugs Nov 23 18:18:54 i issue a request to get something, and it never comes back Nov 23 18:19:02 tho, my battery saying its being used and is about 0% full (for the whole afternoon) worries me somewhat Nov 23 18:19:09 until I close the whole thing, then it comes back failed Nov 23 18:19:32 berndhs, so this is with actual code use of the library, not with an existing application using it Nov 23 18:20:05 yes its with my new code, on 2 different versions of the library, on 2 platforms Nov 23 18:20:28 I think i'm doing it wrong because of the 2 platforms with the same bad result Nov 23 18:20:50 ok, is the code small and encapsulated Nov 23 18:20:56 or buried inside your bigger system? Nov 23 18:21:16 its just an experiment, coupld hundred lines maybe Nov 23 18:21:57 berndhs: contact info is stated in the README Nov 23 18:22:21 http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=telepathy-qt4.git;a=blob;f=README;h=91adc334884d2dd7031502e302e7a1a9f4563a08;hb=refs/heads/master Nov 23 18:23:29 hmm Nov 23 18:26:49 qgil: hey, I was wondering, could we get a mailing list created for the Context Framework and context discussions? Nov 23 18:27:25 qgil: we managed to get a bunch of relevent people together at the conference and it'd be good to enable the discussion to continue in the open Nov 23 18:29:23 hi robtaylor , Dawn is the listmaster , please wait a week until she is back from holidays Nov 23 18:29:54 qgil: awesome, thanks for the pointer :) Nov 23 18:30:14 robtaylor: youn know, the US is busy this week giving thanks to each other ;) Nov 23 18:30:42 qgil: hah, 'thanks for killing all the indians' ;) Nov 23 18:30:51 robtaylor: file a bug under community infrastructure + lists.meego.com , on bugs.meego.com Nov 23 18:31:11 qgil: do you have turkey-related plans or are you still over in europe? Nov 23 18:31:38 Stskeeps: ah, cool. Might be good if that info could make it onto a wiki page! Nov 23 18:32:15 Stskeeps: ah, it is, just not an obvious one :) Nov 23 18:32:35 Stskeeps: well, kind of http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines#Requesting_a_New_Mailing_List Nov 23 18:33:50 I'm back. Turkey in Catalan is called "Gall Dindi" = "Cock from Indians". The aftermath continues Nov 23 18:34:24 qgil: hah! awesome =) Nov 23 18:34:35 righty, anyhoo, all sounds doable. Time for me to go catch a train... Nov 23 18:35:10 robtaylor: my last sensible chat in Dublin was with aruiz (really late at night) - best wishes for your projects! Nov 23 18:36:32 tripzero: ping ! Nov 23 18:37:17 hi thebootroo_ Nov 23 18:37:23 i tripzero Nov 23 18:37:40 sry for the time you waited at me the other dsay Nov 23 18:37:44 *day Nov 23 18:38:06 i still need help for using libconnman-qt in a plain Qt project Nov 23 18:40:04 i'm downloading the lastest trunk from gitorious Nov 23 18:45:11 tripzero: there ? Nov 23 18:45:17 ok downloaded the lib Nov 23 18:45:40 NetworkListModel * theNetworksModel = new NetworkListModel(this); Nov 23 18:45:47 yeah, i'm here Nov 23 18:47:29 i don't understand the fonctionning of the lib Nov 23 18:47:51 in my window i do the following Nov 23 18:48:00 new NetworkListModel Nov 23 18:48:12 qDebug() << "Before" Nov 23 18:48:22 mylist->setModel(theModel) Nov 23 18:48:34 qDebug() << "After" Nov 23 18:48:42 and in the debug i have : Nov 23 18:48:46 before Nov 23 18:48:48 after Nov 23 18:48:58 and then a bunch of debug from the lib Nov 23 18:49:54 thebootroo_, if you actually end up looking in connman yourself and notice a reason why adhoc networks arent functioning, ping people ;) Nov 23 18:50:15 lcuk: wut ? Nov 23 18:50:44 did you file a bug against the component? Nov 23 18:50:54 you were in the other night and had a test case Nov 23 18:50:58 was it filed? Nov 23 18:51:02 luck: not sure its a bug Nov 23 18:51:09 thebootroo_, the lib needs a bit of love. for one, it doesn't support the default listmodel roles. Nov 23 18:51:44 thebootroo_, my suggestion is to file a bug against it, tar up your source and attach it to the bug Nov 23 18:51:58 then I can test and make it work with your src Nov 23 18:52:41 my quick solution is using a part of the lib source and recode the rest myself without model because i need only a few qstringlist in response Nov 23 18:53:44 tripzero: you say the lib doesn't support model, so why do it use a model ? Nov 23 18:54:08 it is a list model Nov 23 18:54:22 can i have a simple using like QStringList availableTechnologies(); Nov 23 18:54:28 it just doesn't support the roles that QWidget things expect Nov 23 18:54:38 QString currentTechnology() Nov 23 18:54:50 yes, those should work Nov 23 18:55:11 hm. i'm building a package that has a pkg-config file. i can't build because of this file, so i put it in a -devel package (only file in the package). now i get an error because the base package is noarch, and pkg-config packages can't be in noarch packages. what should i do here? Nov 23 18:57:13 is it possible the base package to be noarch but the devel package use the obs defaults? Nov 23 18:57:16 for the* Nov 23 19:48:23 kaushik: we can talk in here... Nov 23 19:50:38 How can I get access to OBS? Nov 23 19:51:44 lbt: Nov 23 19:51:57 how can i get access to obs? Nov 23 19:52:08 hey kaushik.... so.. what are you planning to use it for ? Nov 23 19:52:42 I want to use it for our project Nov 23 19:52:52 which one? Nov 23 19:53:22 We are a company and we are trying to port meego on atom hardware Nov 23 19:53:39 and make some changes to middlelayer and UI framework Nov 23 19:53:43 on our own Nov 23 19:53:53 is that all opensource ? Nov 23 19:54:32 * CosmoHill growls at MPI for leakign Nov 23 19:54:47 not all of them ... the code that we put in might not be opensource ... need to confirm that from superiors Nov 23 19:55:06 OK ... you can ONLY do opensource on the community OBS Nov 23 19:55:14 kaushik: if you deal with closed source, set up your own OBS - it's simple, http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS Nov 23 19:55:15 kaushik: why don't you set up your private OBS then? Nov 23 19:55:50 Stskeeps and Bostik : thanks for your suggestion. Nov 23 19:55:51 well, it seems sensible for the open parts to be done on the community OBS Nov 23 19:55:53 I will do that Nov 23 19:56:36 hi, can I ask a stupid question? :) Nov 23 19:56:45 shoot Nov 23 19:56:47 no unless you googled it first Nov 23 19:57:02 don't shoot him yet Stskeeps Nov 23 19:57:28 shoot him after he asks, yeah Nov 23 19:57:30 my meego conference laptop stopped recognizing any wireless routers Nov 23 19:57:58 I can't switch on the bluetooth either for some reason Nov 23 19:58:04 did you know it has a physical wifi switch Nov 23 19:58:17 just recently, but it seems to be on Nov 23 19:58:54 is there anyone knows about logging messages on Meego? Nov 23 19:59:05 kaushik: install sysklogd and friends, i think Nov 23 19:59:17 Thanks .. Nov 23 19:59:29 I think I pressed the hotkey Fn+F5 at some point but now that I press it again it won't do anything Nov 23 19:59:57 I've seen something about windows drivers .... do you dual boot ? Nov 23 20:00:26 no, I destroyed my windows partition :) Nov 23 20:00:26 http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad Nov 23 20:00:30 good ;) Nov 23 20:05:19 lbt: ok, seems like the same problem, I also had issues with displaying the battery status Nov 23 20:07:09 jgrr_, fiferboy's wireless died on reboot at the conf Nov 23 20:07:22 Evidently a few had bad wireless. Nov 23 20:08:34 jgrr_: Check this: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=13321 Nov 23 20:08:52 Depending on whether it is broadcom or athereos, but apparently there is a work around for either Nov 23 20:09:11 fiferboy, I have broadcom Nov 23 20:09:36 anyway now I know where the problem is, time to get creative Nov 23 20:09:39 thank you Nov 23 20:09:53 jgrr_: That looks like the harder one that requires a windows install to turn it back on Nov 23 20:09:56 how do you tell the difference? Nov 23 20:10:07 lcuk: lspci will list the device Nov 23 20:10:53 let's see about that :) Nov 23 20:11:00 awesome, cool beans Nov 23 20:11:40 jgrr_: It looks like there is a kernel update that fixes the issue, so maybe you could dual-boot with Ubuntu instead of Windows to fix it Nov 23 20:11:54 confused at issue Nov 23 20:12:01 * lcuk files bugs about the ux instead Nov 23 20:13:24 * CosmoHill stabs the freaking cluster Nov 23 20:13:56 ssh connection cuts out when I dump a load of output to the screen Nov 23 20:14:48 reporting back, BIOS reset works also for broadcom Nov 23 20:16:00 jgrr_: What did you do in BIOS? Turn off wifi and then turn it back on? Nov 23 20:16:23 just "load factory defaults" and "save and exit" Nov 23 20:16:30 Because I made usre wifi was enabled in BIOS for my dead athereos Nov 23 20:16:44 jgrr_: Probably a good thing to add to the wiki page Nov 23 20:16:47 whats dead about it ? Nov 23 20:17:09 lcuk: It isn't dead anymore, but my first netbook lost wifi abilities after reboot Nov 23 20:17:22 The Intel guys just replaced it, saying there were a couple problems like that Nov 23 20:17:37 how odd Nov 23 20:17:45 fiferboy, will do (if I find it again) Nov 23 20:19:03 the only DOA machine spotted I believe was texrats :P Nov 23 20:19:13 and that was only DOA because of the lockswitch :P Nov 23 20:20:52 lcuk: that got me too Nov 23 20:21:23 slaine, but texrat has a run of bad luck with devices previously so was concerned lol Nov 23 20:21:33 hehe Nov 23 20:21:43 ETOOMANYSWITCHES Nov 23 20:25:19 put this to wiki now, next time I'll google less and come here sooner :) Nov 23 20:25:33 but thanks guys Nov 23 20:30:48 o2 offered me home broadband for cheaper the other day :) Nov 23 20:41:43 pupnik, do you have a netbook at your place? Nov 23 20:44:37 yes, a broken psion and a broken acer aspire one Nov 23 20:44:58 dont break all you things, kid Nov 23 20:45:52 do you know which music modtracker type software might be buildable for meego? i have seen a few in the last week but I cannot find the links at all Nov 23 20:46:15 milkytracker perhaps Nov 23 20:46:36 search t.m.o for the two trackers i built for n900 Nov 23 20:48:54 pupnik, will have a look, this was thinking on the larger scale, n900 is awesome for actual instrument (onedotzero and all the shakey twangy stuff) but the large device is better for composing and laying out the results Nov 23 20:52:31 its a bit fruitless tho if adhoc networking isnt allowed. hard to setup a jamming session if infrastructure only is the only method Nov 23 20:53:27 pupnik, i guess with the extra horsepower on the netbooks the data from the handhelds around could be mixed into an awesome group recording in realtime Nov 23 20:55:44 lcuk_idea: there definitely should be some collaborative music-making displayed for meego Nov 23 20:55:53 but no, no .mod trackers Nov 23 20:56:20 ok fair enough :) Nov 23 20:56:27 * lcuk_idea ponders writing a spec out Nov 23 20:58:39 what is the right way to do multiple ad-hoc connections in 2011 and 2012? Nov 23 20:58:41 is it necessary to have 90 GB space for local obs setup? Nov 23 20:58:59 pupnik, multiple? Nov 23 20:59:08 and at the moment, meego netbook has a bug Nov 23 20:59:10 yes lcuk_idea - more than one Nov 23 20:59:14 it might actually be core Nov 23 20:59:14 hmm Nov 23 20:59:15 i would really like to see something like a Tenori-On for meego... Nov 23 20:59:25 pupnik, you make an adhoc network Nov 23 20:59:38 then can connect to all the machines on the same network Nov 23 20:59:45 just like regular networking Nov 23 20:59:46 that's doable with one wlan card per device? Nov 23 20:59:49 yes Nov 23 20:59:59 is it necessary to have 90 GB space for local obs setup? Nov 23 21:00:13 i spent a good part of the year with all my n900s connected together and used adhoc often whilst travelliung Nov 23 21:00:19 kaushik, 90gb Nov 23 21:00:21 ???? Nov 23 21:00:26 but possibly Nov 23 21:00:32 for a full complete OBS perhaps Nov 23 21:00:41 but for OCS which is the local client for obs Nov 23 21:00:56 the footprint is less and actually is just to the dependencies you request Nov 23 21:01:00 it says so on wiki Nov 23 21:01:05 full OBS builds for MANY MANY arches and OSes Nov 23 21:01:46 space is always good - you need 5gb per meego release Nov 23 21:01:57 ok ... Nov 23 21:02:01 makes sense Nov 23 21:02:05 thanks Nov 23 21:02:05 eek Nov 23 21:02:17 thats a lot anyway Stskeeps! Nov 23 21:03:12 The sort of stuff you can do with a tenori-on: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1775408 Nov 23 21:04:18 lcuk_idea and pupnik ^ that was related to your talk about music, by the way, in case that wasn't quite clear ;) Nov 23 21:04:46 Stskeeps, on second thoughts Nov 23 21:04:53 that 5gb doesnt sound all that unappealing Nov 23 21:05:03 how large is a full binary completed build then from that source Nov 23 21:05:20 that's binary packages alone Nov 23 21:05:20 :P Nov 23 21:05:48 Stskeeps, but the download for n900 fits on a 2gb stick you say Nov 23 21:06:14 either I am going senile or theres some difference Nov 23 21:06:26 yes, because not all stuff in a meego release goes into a image Nov 23 21:06:45 what is stripped? Nov 23 21:07:41 fair bunch of stuff, including docs Nov 23 21:08:35 is the same stripping occuring for netbook also, or is that easier and not so troublesome size wise? Nov 23 21:08:58 also, you don't need -devel packages and other crap on a device Nov 23 21:08:58 :P Nov 23 21:09:01 at least, initially Nov 23 21:09:50 its entirely possible tho :) but the 5gb goes into the repo after being split up Nov 23 21:09:51 all the dev and dbg packages are not in an image Nov 23 21:09:59 and tools Nov 23 21:10:29 we *really* need a better mechanism to distribute images Nov 23 21:10:39 it's called mirrors.kernel.org Nov 23 21:10:40 :P Nov 23 21:11:18 bbl sleep Nov 23 21:11:21 lbt I was being told this by a wise debian developer Nov 23 21:11:25 gnite carsten \o Nov 23 21:11:39 'night Nov 23 21:11:51 how much io would it consume to actively build images on download time Nov 23 21:11:56 to not require storing them Nov 23 21:12:05 or are they heavily compressed etc Nov 23 21:12:11 or is this the whole .ks thing Nov 23 21:12:31 apparently it's a user problem Nov 23 21:13:16 reasonable, we users sometimes need teaching Nov 23 21:14:51 the image is something like an iso image with 2 squashfs inside. in the big squashfs is an ext3 img Nov 23 21:15:00 qgil: thanks! Nov 23 21:15:56 lbt, ok, are squashfs actually compressed as the name implies? Nov 23 21:16:10 hey robtaylor \o Nov 23 21:16:21 they are .... Nov 23 21:16:40 does the camera trigger any sort of observeable event in software when you take a picture on e.g. a n900? Nov 23 21:16:57 use the dbus-monitor Nov 23 21:17:08 mortenmj, which os, i haven't seen the camera working on meego handset yet Nov 23 21:17:15 it broadcasts on dbus? splendid Nov 23 21:17:21 oh good point ;) Nov 23 21:17:32 in n900 I just use an INotify Nov 23 21:17:46 ugh. inotify makes me sleep poorly at night Nov 23 21:18:06 yeah its the bane of many peoples lives Nov 23 21:18:31 but in absence of better methods :P (if the dbus were there, I believe lardman would have hooked to it with the barcode Nov 23 21:19:10 well, i'll take lbt's word when he says it broadcasts on dbus Nov 23 21:19:19 and if he's wrong, i'll submit a request that it start doing just that Nov 23 21:19:33 sounds like a good plan Nov 23 21:19:33 heh... Nov 23 21:21:24 lbt, so whats the rest of the user problem portion Nov 23 21:26:00 lcuk: finding a reliable way to distribute the images as not a blob Nov 23 21:26:52 we (well, adam and stephano) had a go at xdelta at the conference Nov 23 21:27:21 but the nesting of all the images means it won't work Nov 23 21:27:26 lbt, lbt now, are you talking about it from a flash image perspective or an incremental update? Nov 23 21:27:32 both Nov 23 21:27:50 ok, so someone has an image already (lets say 1.1.80) Nov 23 21:27:56 users need a flash image and we need to save bandwidth sending out all the invrementals Nov 23 21:27:58 and they now want the latest Nov 23 21:28:03 yup Nov 23 21:28:38 are we pushing specific known version filename/md5 sum of thir currently available image up? Nov 23 21:28:58 ie, are we expecting an app on the client side to handle/manage this Nov 23 21:29:47 that would need multi-platform support too Nov 23 21:29:53 it's a non-trivial problem Nov 23 21:30:18 the multiplatform part at least should be least of issues Nov 23 21:30:38 and actually... Stskeeps is kinda right ... but the 'complaint' comes from mirrors.kernel.org Nov 23 21:31:16 ok, so this is also in a way related to what we have discussed in the past Nov 23 21:31:47 is this essentially what OCS does? Nov 23 21:32:09 ocs? Nov 23 21:32:18 err the local obs client thing Nov 23 21:32:22 osc Nov 23 21:32:23 no Nov 23 21:32:27 apologies Nov 23 21:32:42 ocs is open collaboration services... also at meegoconf Nov 23 21:32:55 lbt, but doesn't the osc download all the dependencies required Nov 23 21:33:13 yep... but mic won't run locally Nov 23 21:33:16 lbt, yeah easy typo Nov 23 21:33:17 and they need the img Nov 23 21:33:31 why wouldn't mic run locally? Nov 23 21:33:49 is it technical or limited to specific OS itself Nov 23 21:33:57 bbias Nov 23 21:34:01 gk Nov 23 21:35:09 either I've missed out a zero or my laptop is faster than the uni cluster Nov 23 21:38:12 whois x-fade Nov 23 21:38:22 doh! Nov 23 21:43:16 mic needs to make btrfs loopback iirc Nov 23 21:43:23 ahh Nov 23 21:43:33 btrfs causes issues in my ubuntu atm ;) Nov 23 21:44:18 lbt, its a shame it wasn't able to pack up an image from source files Nov 23 21:44:32 errr source files in that context == binaries Nov 23 21:44:49 yup... userspace btrfs generator Nov 23 21:44:52 but to just build it without needing os level drivers Nov 23 21:46:24 lbt, or do the packages need installing into the image itself Nov 23 21:46:34 (different to binary copy into place) Nov 23 21:46:42 correct Nov 23 21:47:12 bleugh :P Nov 23 21:47:16 yeah Nov 23 21:48:25 that was also the same in other places too. even scratchbox has similar I believe when installing Nov 23 21:48:40 ie, it doesnt give images, it just rootstraps then installs things into it Nov 23 21:49:12 meego conference? http://xkcd.com/364/ Nov 23 21:49:39 lol CosmoHill Nov 23 21:49:56 hmm lbt that is complex indeed Nov 23 21:50:50 I have to vanish, but will talk more about it soon Nov 23 21:50:58 CosmoHill: lol Nov 23 21:51:04 o/ Nov 23 21:51:36 and lbt, thanks :) Nov 23 22:40:30 thiago_home: you about ? Nov 23 22:41:06 slaine: nope :-) Nov 23 22:41:08 go ahead Nov 23 22:41:16 lol Nov 23 22:41:43 I'm going on a trip tomorrow, wanted to use the time to try out Qt and Qt Quick. I've been promising to do it for ages now Nov 23 22:42:36 I'll be using my macbook and I've installed Qt sdk/tools etc. But I don't see Qt Quick Nov 23 22:42:45 heh Nov 23 22:42:46 Do I need to pull down the 2.1 beta to get that ? Nov 23 22:43:19 2.1 of what? Nov 23 22:43:24 what did you download? Nov 23 22:43:27 qt quick is in 4.7.1 according to nokia.com :) Nov 23 22:43:28 the Nokia Qt SDK? Nov 23 22:43:47 well, you couldn't have because there was no Mac version Nov 23 22:44:02 if you have Qt Creator 2.0 and Qt 4.7.x, you have what you need Nov 23 22:44:04 heh Nov 23 22:44:37 Qt Creator 2.0 contains an experimental version of the Qt Quick Designer -- most people aren't using it yet Nov 23 22:44:51 sorry, kids, be back in a sec Nov 23 22:44:54 you can just create a new Qt Quick project and start from there Nov 23 22:47:59 back Nov 23 22:48:08 Yeah, I got the 2.0.1 version of Qt Creator Nov 23 22:48:42 but when I got to create a project, there's no Qt Quick option like there is on the Qt Creator version i installed on MeeGo Nov 23 22:48:53 Should I get this, http://get.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator/qt-creator-mac-opensource-2.1.0-beta2.dmg Nov 23 22:49:42 I don't think so. The 2.0 version should have the QML editor. Nov 23 22:49:55 but I would install that. I always use bleeding-edge stuff. Nov 23 22:50:44 It's to keep me occupied on a 3 hour train journey tomorrow morning and another one home again tomorrow evening :( Nov 23 22:51:08 I'll grab the beta Nov 23 22:51:17 install the latest and try the experimental designer too Nov 23 22:51:30 keep a text editor open and write down your impressions Nov 23 22:51:35 send them to me afterwards Nov 23 22:52:00 cool, will do Nov 23 22:52:12 am a total Qt noob, so should be fun Nov 23 22:52:44 follow the tutorial from the documentation on how to get started Nov 23 22:52:53 * slaine rubs hands with glee Nov 23 22:53:15 I'm gonna try and use it to mock up some UI ideas I have for our products Nov 23 22:53:39 I assume the 2.1 beta will install over the 2.0.1 I have installed earlier Nov 23 22:53:47 might be faster if done on paper Nov 23 22:54:01 the UI mockup part Nov 23 22:54:03 I've never installed Qt on Mac, so I don't know Nov 23 22:54:37 mikhas: I have rought pencil drawings Nov 23 22:54:46 will be working from that Nov 23 22:55:42 nice, good luck then Nov 23 22:58:03 cool, that's working Nov 23 22:58:07 thanks Nov 23 23:11:13 lbt, does the problem scope become simpler if it was only considered inside meego instances - ie with known package set and availability? we have solved chicken and egg for many things and people working around meego now have the dedicated system for meego itself Nov 23 23:11:36 i know it doesnt help everyone, but for the dailies etc, the majority of people using it will be working on meego anyway? Nov 23 23:12:40 well I'd say that providing a virtualbox image that can spit out imgs from repos would be a way to go Nov 23 23:13:32 the re team did ask for some help to solve the problem though Nov 23 23:13:52 anyhow... tomorrow ... need to finish some test cases b4 bed Nov 23 23:14:09 \o gnite Nov 23 23:16:30 * CosmoHill wrote a 3 lines program that leaks memory Nov 23 23:22:38 how is that possible? Nov 23 23:24:22 1003 31977 1.6 6.5 137437321956 532800 pts/9 S+ 00:15 0:01 ./a.out Nov 23 23:24:36 only couple T of ram Nov 23 23:25:31 only... Nov 23 23:26:35 lol Nov 23 23:27:01 jacekowski: if you don't write to the memory you allocate, linux will give you as much as you want Nov 23 23:27:27 not with overcommit disabled Nov 23 23:28:24 true. have you disabled it? Nov 23 23:42:00 morning Nov 23 23:58:03 hey niala Nov 23 23:59:43 hello sivang , have you change meego to 'daily' ? Nov 24 00:03:02 I have an update in gpk-update-viewer but he tell me "a security signature is not present" Nov 24 00:03:59 I was going to, yes, but was too tied up with work before I could Nov 24 00:04:09 still handling the bcacklog there Nov 24 00:04:18 and it is production ssystems so it suck a bit Nov 24 00:04:29 e.g. has a lot of backlog and stuf Nov 24 00:04:33 s/and// Nov 24 00:04:34 sivang meant: e.g. has a lot of backlog stuf Nov 24 00:04:43 ~feed Nov 24 00:04:43 * infobot cooks a succulent, tender, slightly moist steak Nov 24 00:05:00 ~botsnack Nov 24 00:05:00 aw, gee, sivang Nov 24 00:05:20 niala: I will go back to mre meego stuff doing the weekend Nov 24 00:05:29 niala: can you not ignore this waring? Nov 24 00:05:48 niala: and just go ahead with the upgrade? Nov 24 00:07:02 nop and if I try in a term "zypper update" he tell me nothing.. Is like if i have 2 rpm manager Nov 24 00:10:18 ok sivang " failed to get updates: gpg-failure, Signature verification for Repository netbook-trunk failed". Maybe my solution to add a repos is not good :) Nov 24 00:24:24 Looking to compile a network driver for meego (needs kernel source). Is OBS the way to go? Nov 24 00:24:51 * qgil finally put together the main ideas around the MeeGo project News section http://wiki.meego.com/News.meego.com Nov 24 00:40:19 Meego conferences are playable without flash - just view page source and search for .flv to get the url http://conference2010.meego.com/program/schedule Nov 24 00:40:29 for example, mplayer http://meego_conference2010.s3.amazonaws.com/meego_conference2010_357.flv Nov 24 00:41:00 s/conference/presentations Nov 24 00:54:15 cyas Nov 24 01:20:25 I would like access to OBS. Nov 24 01:27:04 join #hardware Nov 24 01:33:26 akadaedalus: I guess both lbt & X-Fade are asleep right now Nov 24 01:34:01 akadaedalus: Grab them in the morning (European time), they need your meego.com account name and a brief sentence or two explaining what you're planning on doing with it. Nov 24 01:36:22 OK. Nov 24 01:36:45 Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, I'm just trying to compile a network driver for my touchscreen. I did it for v.1.0 but I can't remember how! Nov 24 01:36:58 Thanks, Jaffa. Nov 24 02:00:58 w00t! Nov 24 02:01:10 * sabotage gets SR#1 from community OBS Nov 24 02:01:26 lbt ^^ Nov 24 02:13:38 gaaaa... using the SDK requires yum, and I don't run a yum-based distro. Nov 24 02:19:35 apt-cache search yum akadaedalus ? Nov 24 02:20:43 I use gentoo. It has yum ported but I'm reluctant to pollute my system with it. Nov 24 02:21:05 My website: http://dangeraware.weebly.com/ Nov 24 02:21:10 http://dangeraware.weebly.com/ Nov 24 02:30:20 akadaedalus: check up to be sure, but i think you just need it to handle locally-installed packages, not your system repo Nov 24 02:31:13 akadaedalus: just make a chroot... Nov 24 02:31:36 I can't seem to make a chroot without mic2, and mic2 depends on yum. Nov 24 02:31:49 make a fedora chroot, install SDK in that Nov 24 02:31:53 oh, got it. Nov 24 02:32:05 thanks for the tips, guys. Nov 24 02:32:06 it sucks if you really have to do that though Nov 24 02:32:14 Yeah, I'm sucking it up and installing yum. Nov 24 02:32:17 the SDK should include yum if it needs it, imo Nov 24 02:32:53 would have helped if I could run in VirtualBox with a non-Intel graphics card. Nov 24 02:33:21 lots of funny circles. I don't remember having this much trouble with the 1.0 sdk. I'm wishing I went the upgrade path instead of the rebuild. Nov 24 02:44:30 so is anyone working on getting the ideapad accelerometer to work? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 24 02:59:58 2010