**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 28 02:59:58 2010 Nov 28 03:29:03 hey w00t Nov 28 03:31:56 hi Nov 28 03:32:25 how are you? Nov 28 03:33:30 insomnia'ing :) Nov 28 03:33:47 I'm round one of my mates having a drink and catching up :) Nov 28 03:34:01 by being on IRC? :-P Nov 28 03:34:18 we're next to each other on our laptops reading qdb.us Nov 28 03:40:37 What the hell time is it there? Nov 28 03:40:47 3:33am :) Nov 28 03:42:36 Old wheelchairs do not OSHA-compliant camera dollies make. Nov 28 03:43:33 -.^ Nov 28 03:43:49 GeneralAntilles: was that directed at me? :-P Nov 28 03:44:00 w00t, dunno, should it be? :P Nov 28 03:44:04 I tend to have periods of not sleeping Nov 28 03:44:15 now is one of them, helped partially by my having a nasty cough Nov 28 03:45:02 w00t: those are known as the "god damn it it's finally quiet and I can get some hacking done" periods ;) Nov 28 03:45:04 You to,, eh? Nov 28 03:45:21 well, first few days of it, then it sucks Nov 28 03:45:23 ferringb: too ill to get much productive done (I've tried) Nov 28 03:45:39 can't concentrate Nov 28 03:46:12 so I've been roughly spending half an hour playing halflife, half an hour reading various amusing cats with funny captions on the internet, and half an hour code/irc/misc Nov 28 03:46:54 http://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill.php Nov 28 03:47:13 hahaha Nov 28 03:47:19 I love theoatmeal Nov 28 03:47:30 and that is *so* goddamn true Nov 28 03:47:33 I just got my Pandaboard booting meego: yahoo! I said I would go on a long bike ride tomorrow. Maybe it will rain. Nov 28 03:47:45 even brik, who is a total crazy cat woman, admits that cats are evil and imperial masters Nov 28 03:47:48 GeneralAntilles: read that but funny :) Nov 28 03:47:51 (but cute, and fluffy and adorable) Nov 28 03:49:12 Alison_Chaiken: yay panda boar Nov 28 03:51:52 CosmoHill, Pandaboard is cool. I'm glad I didn't get that stupid IdeaPad. I didn't want one. Well, not much. Nov 28 03:52:18 lcuk: what do you think of your new ideapad? Nov 28 03:53:28 http://xkcd.com/742/ :) Nov 28 03:55:30 CosmoHill, that's hilarious but maybe none of us should have children. Nov 28 03:56:06 well I don't have any Nov 28 03:56:12 * CosmoHill gets his net Nov 28 04:41:55 hi All, when i use this command:"sudo mic-image-creator --config=/home/administrator/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1.ks --format=raw --run-mode=0 --arch=armv7l --save-kernel --cache=/home/administrator/Downloads/mycache" to build my own image, then some errors arise. like this:Error: failed to create image : ...thank you for your an Nov 28 04:44:01 tyson_: pastebin the error and the command Nov 28 04:44:28 tyson_: irc has limits on how much text you can send in a message (you crossed it)... beyond that, failures like this are best pastebin'd for viewing Nov 28 04:44:32 * ferringb wanders back to his movie Nov 28 04:45:50 ferringb: OK, wait a moment..i will paste it to a website.. thank you.. Nov 28 04:47:31 ferringb: i can read the error here just fine Nov 28 04:47:39 but i don't know what might cause it Nov 28 04:47:53 ferringb: this website:http://pastebin.mozilla.org/868556 Nov 28 04:51:27 * pupnik passes tyson_ the cookies Nov 28 04:51:41 ferringb: the ks file, i modify it, and add my package to it. althought i use the same name of "meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1.ks". Nov 28 04:59:34 On which mailing list would we ask questions about what's in the Compliance specs? Nov 28 05:00:39 tyson_: while you can read it fine, it's a protocol level limit... message got truncated. looking at the logs Nov 28 05:01:19 tyson_: http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-distribution-tools@lists.meego.com/msg00007.html Nov 28 05:01:44 tyson_: check the version you've got locally against the one mentioned in the posting... Nov 28 05:05:50 ferringb: oh, i'm so sorry, i cann't open this website.... Nov 28 05:11:47 tyson_: fixed in git for mic Nov 28 05:13:37 tyson_: http://www.meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/image-creator/commit/f7b4d6248188e87d12020d6bb5e717a7463bfbe8 Nov 28 05:13:52 on a guess mind you, but that's likely the fix you're looking for. Nov 28 05:15:38 ferringb: i created my own repo. and modify the ks file. add my package to them. and then use the mic-image-creator command to build my own image.. Nov 28 05:16:46 ferringb: the "git" command, i cann't use this command in my net. this is my net problem.. Nov 28 05:17:12 tyson_: yeah, I pointed out the patch you need however Nov 28 05:18:30 hmm. that code should be getattr(getattr(oserr, "reason", None), errno, None) == errno.ENOENT: also Nov 28 05:19:40 ferringb: OK, i modify it.. if also some errors arise, i will ask you.OK? thank you very much...ferringb... Nov 28 05:26:42 ferringb: /usr/share/pyshared/mic/imgcreate/yuminst.py. is it ? Nov 28 05:27:06 yep Nov 28 05:37:27 ferringb: i add 5 lines to this file. but the same error arise. like this: Error: failed to create image : Nov 28 05:42:30 tyson_: no clue then. that patch is supposedly to rectify that bug... Nov 28 05:46:05 ferringb: OK, i guess maybe me package has some problem. mayby my repo also has some problem... Nov 28 06:47:07 hi, all. when i use this command:"sudo mic-image-creator --config=/home/administrator/my.ks --format=raw --run-mode=0 --arch=armv7l --save-kernel --cache=/home/administrator/Downloads/mycache" to build my own image, then some errors arise. like this:Error: failed to create image : Nov 28 06:48:00 anybody know?? thank you for your answer.... Nov 28 06:50:32 does that file exist? Nov 28 06:58:28 johnx: no. i hasn't this file.. Nov 28 06:58:58 what does your my.ks say? Nov 28 06:59:05 (pastebin please) Nov 28 06:59:12 OK Nov 28 06:59:16 wait a moment Nov 28 06:59:39 johnx: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/868556 Nov 28 07:00:44 aah. I thought you really had a file called my.ks :) Nov 28 07:01:52 yes, i change the ks file. and no change the name.. Nov 28 07:01:52 maybe try creating myrepo before running the command? Nov 28 07:03:35 i use this command : "createrepo" to create my repo. Nov 28 07:05:03 my.ks equal meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1.ks. because i modify the latter. so i name it as my.ks.. Nov 28 07:05:50 aaah, ok. did createrepo have any errors? Nov 28 07:06:04 no Nov 28 07:06:31 this comman just generate a repodata file.. Nov 28 07:07:47 is there no facebook web account for status panel? Nov 28 07:08:57 i just create my repo, and add my package to it. then use tha command:"mic-image-creator" to build my iamge.. Nov 28 07:10:18 well, does any file in your repo reference the license.txt file? Nov 28 07:10:25 (other than that I don't really have any ideas ...) Nov 28 07:10:27 no... Nov 28 07:10:34 even the repodata file? Nov 28 07:10:40 yes Nov 28 07:10:58 sorry, no idea :| Nov 28 07:11:28 thank you for your answer...johnx Nov 28 07:21:07 i was trying to mount a partition and it is asking for authentication password and im onthe livecd Nov 28 07:21:13 what is the password that i need? Nov 28 08:15:57 hi all, when i use this command:"sudo mic-image-creator --config=/home/administrator/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.7.20101119.1.ks --format=raw --run-mode=0 --arch=armv7l --save-kernel --cache=/home/administrator/Downloads/mycache" to build my own image, then some errors arise. like this:Error: failed to create image : Nov 28 08:16:20 what's the problem? anybody know? thanks.. Nov 28 08:17:29 and the error log you can see this website: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/868556 Nov 28 08:20:00 that looks weird. it's at least not any of the ways mic2 jumped into my face Nov 28 08:49:39 Hello Nov 28 08:50:07 Stskeep:hello Nov 28 08:51:20 Stskeeps:hi Nov 28 08:54:40 Hello? Nov 28 08:54:47 hi hiben75 Nov 28 08:55:00 4 in the morning Nov 28 08:56:07 Nobody talks here Nov 28 08:56:39 as this generally is a technical channel and not a social chat channel that comes to no surprise Nov 28 08:57:15 also, it's weekend Nov 28 08:57:16 :P Nov 28 08:57:16 Stskeeps: in your obs manual, u offer the trunk project-config . but it can only make i586 build target work , what if the armv7el ? Nov 28 08:57:29 it makes both work Nov 28 08:57:49 and my import script imports both into the project Nov 28 08:58:03 no need any modify ? Nov 28 08:58:13 no need for modifications Nov 28 08:58:27 but now i'm off to make some coffee Nov 28 08:58:48 Stskeeps: ok,tks Nov 28 08:58:56 i will try it again Nov 28 08:59:01 helloworld: out of curiosity, which obs disk image did you use? Nov 28 08:59:38 no image, i create it myself Nov 28 08:59:42 I've had problems with the vmdk image. didn't import into vbox and qemu-img didn't convert it into anything bootable Nov 28 09:00:37 so you didn't use any of this: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools:/Unstable/images/ ? Nov 28 09:02:53 dm8tbr:yes , i havn't use Nov 28 09:02:58 thanks Nov 28 09:03:27 I suspect that the vmdk file has some sort of a problem. the raw file worked immediately. Nov 28 09:03:45 one is also labelled build7 and the other build6. Nov 28 09:06:17 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS_setup_openSUSE112 Nov 28 09:06:40 ah, no idea about that one Nov 28 09:06:47 that isn't my obs manual Nov 28 09:07:07 http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS Nov 28 09:14:17 Stskeeps: i found the bug, just in /etc/sysconfig/ i forgot turning on the arm schedual server Nov 28 09:14:42 ah, that makes sense Nov 28 09:16:35 Stskeeps: now the armv7el schedular is dead Nov 28 09:17:04 Stskeeps: any idea about that? Nov 28 09:23:04 helloworld: eh? Nov 28 09:23:33 Stskeeps: ok, now to make sure I've even tried obs-server.i686-2.1.62-Build1.7-vmx.tar.bz2 even on vmware server and no dice. you might want to add a note that the raw image might be the better option in connection with qemu-img for now Nov 28 09:23:58 helloworld: no sorry, consider restarting machine Nov 28 09:24:09 dm8tbr: ok, might be a broken build then Nov 28 09:24:32 bbl Nov 28 09:24:47 Stskeeps: that's what I suspect, yes Nov 28 09:25:09 Stskeeps:now my problem is the pkg can be finished , not succeed , boring Nov 28 09:25:36 give it time Nov 28 09:28:59 Stskeeps:unfortunately faild Nov 28 09:29:29 i don't have any idea about the old guides sorry Nov 28 09:29:37 * Stskeeps goes have a quiet sunday - talk to you later Nov 28 09:31:15 enjoy :) Nov 28 09:32:07 Stskeeps:good day Nov 28 10:04:40 Hmm, my pocket has obviously had something to say last evening :D Nov 28 10:06:05 I definitely need an auto-keylock in my symbian phone =) Nov 28 10:16:45 hey w00t, you just got up? Nov 28 10:17:11 no he just rode the fleanode express like a lot of the other clients here Nov 28 10:18:46 that would explain why I couldn't connect first time, is that still going on? Nov 28 10:25:42 is freenode a UK company? Nov 28 10:26:06 it's part of an US non profit IIRC Nov 28 10:26:14 * odin_ stretches Nov 28 10:26:42 okay cos they ask for donations in UK pounds Nov 28 10:27:33 they detect your IP Nov 28 10:28:58 In August 2008, the PDPC incorporated as a Company limited by guarantee registered in England and Wales. Peer-Directed Projects Center Ltd replaces the US based 501(c)(3) corporation. Nov 28 10:29:02 interesting Nov 28 10:29:15 http://freenode.net/pdpc.shtml Nov 28 10:30:55 dm8tbr: well, lilo kinda died so Nov 28 10:34:21 Stskeeps: yes, I know. still surprising that they moved the whole thing to the uk after that. Nov 28 10:34:44 lilo the boot loader? Nov 28 10:35:15 dm8tbr: new person in charge was living in UK, so Nov 28 10:35:19 you talk of they as if there is some fixed committee folks running freenode for the while time it exist Nov 28 10:35:52 hard to run a US company from the UK ? Nov 28 10:38:01 Stskeeps: i see, if there is easier continuity in the UK Nov 28 10:38:09 hhuh, looking at wikipedia I thought freenode was a lot bigger than it is Nov 28 10:39:25 ah, lilo the person Nov 28 10:39:49 oh there is lilo the person Nov 28 10:40:32 I kinda was wondering how lilo dieing relates to anything :] Nov 28 10:40:36 lilo founded freenode Nov 28 10:40:52 wow Nov 28 10:41:09 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Levin Nov 28 10:42:03 oh, he died in a car crash :( Nov 28 10:42:52 who? Nov 28 10:42:57 omg Nov 28 10:43:11 according to wikipedia David Levin, his brother is now on the freenode board Nov 28 10:44:43 haha his nickname is lilo Nov 28 10:44:48 am lolloo Nov 28 10:45:02 rest in peace Nov 28 10:49:27 mmmm Nov 28 10:51:02 ferringb: X-Fade: I "solved" the problem with the local build Nov 28 10:51:22 with a hammer? Nov 28 10:51:24 urlgrabber doesn't use urllib2 any more, so the osc code to use user-name and pass from config don't work Nov 28 10:51:42 So I manually editted urlgrabber.py to use my netrc Nov 28 10:51:46 And put my user/pass in there Nov 28 10:51:48 hello CosmoHill Nov 28 10:51:50 CosmoHill: ^ so yes :) Nov 28 10:51:58 salut niala Nov 28 10:52:04 Ford_Prefect: did you make a patch? Nov 28 10:52:10 CosmoHill: the star of #meego :) Nov 28 10:52:28 CosmoHill: this is clearly not the Right Way to do it, but I'm not sure what is Nov 28 10:52:36 Ford_Prefect: please say via fire Nov 28 10:52:39 tyson_: ping Nov 28 10:52:53 Ford_Prefect: version of osc? Nov 28 10:52:59 hello other to of course Nov 28 10:53:10 0.125.5-1.16 Nov 28 10:53:15 host os? Nov 28 10:53:19 Meego Nov 28 10:53:22 ah, right Nov 28 10:53:23 1.1, netbook Nov 28 10:54:03 For future reference, urlgrabber dumps debug info if you have URLGRABBER_DEBUG in your environment Nov 28 10:54:47 what bugs me about freenode is why they need money to run an irc network.. ircnet and efnet have been running non-profit for decades Nov 28 10:55:05 Ford_Prefect: and what magic env var makes it implode and stop being a pita? :) Nov 28 10:55:30 ferringb: rm -rf :) Nov 28 10:55:45 rauli_: wrong channel for that discussion... mainly since it's semi equivalent to starting a theological discussion Nov 28 10:56:05 Ford_Prefect: implosion's are easier to visualize Nov 28 10:56:13 and a bit more satisfying Nov 28 10:56:21 Ford_Prefect: filed a bug? Nov 28 10:57:02 ferringb: will do. Trying to come up with a correct solution Nov 28 10:57:25 Preferably something that doesn't require fixing urlgrabber first Nov 28 10:57:48 Ford_Prefect: honestly? file a bug and let 'em solve it Nov 28 10:58:03 Also, kudos to them for not bothering to actually try to make the curl backend feature-wise equivalent to urllib2 Nov 28 11:02:12 my battery is completely drained, unlike all those other times where it panics about low battery then has half battery 20 mins later Nov 28 11:30:50 Morning Nov 28 11:31:33 morning khertan and achipa \o Nov 28 11:31:50 salut lcuk et khertan Nov 28 11:32:00 hello lcuk and CosmoHill Nov 28 11:32:15 hey also CosmoHill \o Nov 28 11:32:28 using uboot on n900 is a bad idea ... Nov 28 11:33:01 khertan: did it do something wrong? Nov 28 11:33:25 Stskeeps, do not charge battery with charger ... :) Nov 28 11:33:33 khertan: ah yes Nov 28 11:33:34 n900 shutdown Nov 28 11:33:40 i thought we had that with a big warning Nov 28 11:34:00 Stskeeps, i know it s writted with a big warning ... but i was thinking it s for using meego Nov 28 11:34:03 what happens? Nov 28 11:34:09 not when you use maemo too Nov 28 11:34:18 khertan: it shouldn't be a problem when booting into maemo? Nov 28 11:34:29 Stskeeps, it s seems it is Nov 28 11:34:41 khertan: we'll have to investigate that - PR1.3? Nov 28 11:34:41 Stskeeps, or maybe my n900 reboot during the night Nov 28 11:34:51 yep 1.3 Nov 28 11:34:55 ok, sounds weird Nov 28 11:35:08 Stskeeps, let me see if the night backup finished Nov 28 11:35:09 lol khertan your khweeteur on desktop looks sweet Nov 28 11:35:25 theres even my #movember tweet :D Nov 28 11:35:29 :) Nov 28 11:35:47 i just test 1 min ago Nov 28 11:36:04 Stskeeps, ok ... the backup is incomplete Nov 28 11:36:18 Stskeeps, so seems that maemo crash and reboot during the night Nov 28 11:36:27 so as by default uboot run meego Nov 28 11:36:41 i think we got the errors :) Nov 28 11:37:10 lcuk, i ve even use it to post :) Nov 28 11:37:12 khertan: it boots it if there's a sd card Nov 28 11:37:23 Stskeeps, yep ... of course :) Nov 28 11:37:29 Sts, lcuk, khertan, moo gentlemen Nov 28 11:37:40 Yo! RST38h Nov 28 11:37:50 Stskeeps, but i ll not remove it everytime :) so i ll use the flasher method instead and remove uboot :) Nov 28 11:38:06 khertan: :nod: Nov 28 11:38:17 Stskeeps, so here the problem is more the chair keyboard interface than the code Nov 28 11:38:53 ferringb: X-Fade: fwiw, bug filed - http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10551 Nov 28 11:39:06 Stskeeps: I think Khertan means that uboot should only boot meego if there is a certain key or button pressed :) Nov 28 11:39:18 Stskeeps: Which should not be difficult to do, I hope Nov 28 11:39:28 RST38h, i mean the problem is me and not the code :) Nov 28 11:43:17 SciTe isn't a bad editor ! Nov 28 12:36:58 does anyone know how redirect the output of "time" into a file? Nov 28 12:37:31 CosmoHill: { time .... ; } &> log Nov 28 12:37:56 or just use the time binary, rather than the bash builtin Nov 28 12:39:31 { time uptime > bar; } &> foo Nov 28 12:39:35 thank you very much ferringb Nov 28 12:39:52 np. Nov 28 12:40:08 next step, write a web server in bash ;) Nov 28 12:40:24 I've heard of this challenge before I think Nov 28 12:40:31 code was interesting Nov 28 12:41:02 awk one I saw a while back was actually more elegant Nov 28 12:45:14 Hi!!!! can you plz VOTE ME in this site??? http://www.lifelessserious.gr/player2.php?id=4AOj1590UKu44syA&t=kallitexnikes_anhsuxies_sto_sxoleio thnx!!! Nov 28 12:46:30 with spelling and grammar like that? I don't think so Nov 28 12:48:17 damn: syntax error near unexpected token `>' Nov 28 12:49:05 CosmoHill: what was the invocation? Nov 28 12:49:16 32 { time -p mpirun -np ${CORES} --hostfile ${HOME}/hostfile.txt \ Nov 28 12:49:17 33 ${PROG}-mpi ${LIMIT} > c${CORES}-${PROG}.log; } &>> times.log Nov 28 12:49:52 just after ${LIMIT} Nov 28 12:54:17 ah I see, &>> can cause issues Nov 28 12:54:48 replacing &>> with 2>> solved my problem Nov 28 12:59:07 thanks again for your help ferringb. now I have a nice looking script that logs the times for me :) Nov 28 12:59:11 cosmo, you are using your cluster to find the exact time? Nov 28 12:59:55 I run the program multiple times with different number of cores enabled, the times are logged to show the speed up (or slow down) Nov 28 13:00:11 coolie Nov 28 13:00:25 yeah I'm very pleased with this script :) Nov 28 13:00:38 the only other scripts I'm pleased with install a freaking distro :D Nov 28 13:01:44 hehe Nov 28 13:02:53 on a side note rpm5 can be a bit twitchy, everything gets installed but it's not all logged in the database Nov 28 13:08:05 CosmoHill: oh oh.... rpm.... mmm... that's funny you talkt about that... Nov 28 13:08:10 TI:14:58:08 FI:gpk-update-viewer.c FN:gpk_update_viewer_error_dialog,218 Nov 28 13:08:10 - Not supported by this backend: nothing provides libtelepathy-glib.so.0(TELEPATHY_GLIB_0.11.13) needed by empathy-2.30.2-2.26.i586 Nov 28 13:08:10 nothing provides libchamplain-0.8.so.1 needed by meego-panel-status-0.3.0-2.3.i586 Nov 28 13:08:13 * CosmoHill flees Nov 28 13:08:20 damn, not fast enough Nov 28 13:09:38 the spec file should define the build and run time libraries required Nov 28 13:09:55 have you a kernel update today ? Nov 28 13:10:07 not unless 10.5.9 is out Nov 28 13:10:38 (Darwin 9.9) Nov 28 13:13:25 niala: do you have the required devel packages? Nov 28 13:13:44 for example I could run gmp programs on my laptop but I couldn't compile any until I installed gmp-devel.rpm Nov 28 13:32:46 CosmoHill: it's just a 'normal' update, a security update from repo.meego. But to be complete i haven't really look why today my netbook make that, maybe he smoked the carpet last night Nov 28 13:36:50 smoked the carpet? what does that mean? Nov 28 13:37:05 yum update --> No Packages marked for Update... Nov 28 13:37:15 you should be using zypper Nov 28 13:37:42 zypper refresh Nov 28 13:40:04 how to explain... french expression, take your carpet rolls like a weed and smoke..... Nov 28 13:40:11 CosmoHill: Nov 28 13:40:23 ah okau Nov 28 13:40:58 I wonder whether you can fit carpet in your pipe and smoke it like that too Nov 28 13:41:00 :P Nov 28 13:41:29 remind me never to take you to carpet world Nov 28 13:41:37 lol Nov 28 13:42:06 as long as you don' do what I've done Nov 28 13:42:23 uname -a ---> 2.6.35.3-12.1-netbook seem already update... Nov 28 13:42:34 I had a box of matches and I'd hold one of them against the box and flick it so it would light and spin in an arc Nov 28 13:42:58 heh Nov 28 13:43:12 probably shouldn't have done that in front of kids Nov 28 13:43:24 CosmoHill, I've seen someone "smart" enough to decide to hold the tip of the match while striking it Nov 28 13:43:44 were they are a filling station at the time? Nov 28 13:43:51 or were they not that "cleaver" Nov 28 13:44:27 heh. No they weren't that "cleaver". "Cleaver" enough to burn their finger though :p Nov 28 13:44:45 CosmoHill, you didn't do that at a fuel station did you? Nov 28 13:44:49 I was cleaver enough to pour boiled water onto my hand yesterday Nov 28 13:45:10 nope Nov 28 13:45:31 I've phoned a friend telling him I was running late cos my fuel light came on...whilst topping up the acr Nov 28 13:45:33 car* Nov 28 13:46:30 CosmoHill, your an arse you know that. Because you originally spelt it CLEAVER I kept spelling it like that. Then I realised it's CLEVER not CLEAVER Nov 28 13:46:43 lol Nov 28 13:46:59 that will teach to to plagiarise my spelling! Nov 28 13:47:00 Not very clever of me :p Nov 28 13:47:16 Or should I say... Not very cleaver of me? Nov 28 13:47:18 :p Nov 28 13:47:21 hehe Nov 28 13:47:45 kudos for using the english spelling of the worse arse tho Nov 28 13:49:00 CosmoHill, :p being in Australia and arse being the official spelling in Australia, I try to spell it properly :p Nov 28 13:49:09 ^.^ Nov 28 13:56:41 holy poop -O3 makes a noticeable difference Nov 28 14:26:03 * timeless_webchat sighs Nov 28 14:26:16 Qt's gui tools toolchain sucks Nov 28 14:26:40 timeless_webchat: whats wrong? Nov 28 14:26:47 they can't spell Exit consistently Nov 28 14:26:56 haha Nov 28 14:26:59 they don't know how to use Windows (and Windows menus) correctly Nov 28 14:27:15 they don't get basic print preview behavior right Nov 28 14:27:21 i have some short lists Nov 28 14:28:26 lol cant spell exit Nov 28 14:29:21 the print-preview dialog was never good Nov 28 14:29:26 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/869098 Nov 28 14:29:31 what's wrong with Exit? Nov 28 14:29:38 they spelled it Quit in Assistant! Nov 28 14:29:41 now you've got me curious, _how_ do you misspell exit Nov 28 14:29:48 Quick rpm question - specify removes the %changelog section, causing rpmlint to generate an ignorable warning Nov 28 14:29:52 how hard is it to spell a 4 letter word the same way in *three* apps? Nov 28 14:29:58 answer: apparently very if you're Qt Nov 28 14:30:08 And I saw on the site that there's supposed to be a .changes file Nov 28 14:30:14 thiago_home: note: i'm posting bugs+patches for this stuff Nov 28 14:30:16 So the warning is okay to leave as is? Nov 28 14:30:28 if you want to be helpful, you can get my previous patch landed :) Nov 28 14:30:28 timeless_webchat: the print preview dialog isn't that easy Nov 28 14:30:32 changing a word is Nov 28 14:30:35 Hm, no warning if there's a .changes. wtf. Nov 28 14:31:05 thiago_home: yeah, i'm not planning to patch print preview eagerly Nov 28 14:31:14 print => wontfix Nov 28 14:31:16 no one in their right mind touches printing, let alone print preview Nov 28 14:31:29 right Nov 28 14:31:38 let's save the planet and remove all print dialogs Nov 28 14:32:11 * timeless_webchat nods Nov 28 14:32:15 we tried that in Maemo Nov 28 14:32:23 i heard rumor that someone objected to it for MeeGo :( Nov 28 14:32:32 Maemo4 had it wrong Nov 28 14:32:36 firefox and flash are hating me today Nov 28 14:32:48 instead of removing the print dialogs, it removed the entire Qt printing subsystem Nov 28 14:32:52 including the PDF generation Nov 28 14:32:56 thiago_home: yeah well Nov 28 14:33:28 maemo started out as a "ifdef EVERYTHING_OUT" Nov 28 14:33:40 because people wanted to save bytes Nov 28 14:33:50 i'm not defending maemo design principles :) Nov 28 14:33:56 * thiago_home remembers one Qt port that started with QT_NO_FILESYSTEM Nov 28 14:34:02 who needs files? Nov 28 14:34:03 lol Nov 28 14:34:11 Palm? Nov 28 14:34:17 can't tell you. The project died. Nov 28 14:34:32 let it rest in peace. The OS was so crappy it would have never worked. Nov 28 14:34:35 is it something i could look up based on the power of Ownership? Nov 28 14:34:52 i did something stupid last week, i installed a Qt commercial license :) Nov 28 14:35:03 (and then i rebuilt Qt and ran out of disk space) Nov 28 14:35:11 6 GB at least Nov 28 14:35:15 so my computer has been compressing things all weekend Nov 28 14:35:23 i got back 10gb of space :) Nov 28 14:35:44 windows build? you probably had debug-and-release mode Nov 28 14:35:50 yeah i did Nov 28 14:36:03 because i need to be able to drop in release-with-pdb into Ovi Suite! Nov 28 14:36:13 because some idiot in the Qt team made debug not interchangable with release Nov 28 14:36:25 and some other one didn't ship pdb's for release (patch already posted) Nov 28 14:36:26 s/Qt team/Redmond/ Nov 28 14:36:31 ? Nov 28 14:36:34 err Nov 28 14:36:42 it's perfectly possible to make debug and release compat Nov 28 14:36:45 the MS Visual Studio C++ assemblies are different from debug and from release Nov 28 14:36:49 you can't mix them Nov 28 14:37:00 * timeless_webchat ponders Nov 28 14:37:05 well, through vc7 it was possible :) Nov 28 14:37:18 as long as you don't use the wrong allocator/free for an object... Nov 28 14:37:19 QtCore4.dll is built with the C++ release, QtCored4.dll is built with the C++ debug assembly Nov 28 14:37:25 yeah, right Nov 28 14:37:28 ever used templates? :-) Nov 28 14:37:40 containers even Nov 28 14:37:40 i try to avoid them... Nov 28 14:37:51 object created in one place, deleted in another => bam! crash Nov 28 14:38:12 every time I see someone in qt-interest saying their application crashes when they use QList, I know it's assembly mixup Nov 28 14:38:34 heh Nov 28 14:39:44 ok, where do bugs in Qt Assistant live? Nov 28 14:39:46 Qt Creator? Nov 28 14:40:13 Qt (for now) Nov 28 14:40:28