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Nov 29 04:53:19 <JunJi> a
Nov 29 05:00:22 <JunJi> do we have somebody who knows how to set the eth0 on a linux kernel??
Nov 29 05:01:59 <Alison_Chaiken> What do you mean, "set eth0"?   Can't remember, do we have "ifconfig" on meego?
Nov 29 05:03:01 <pupnik> i would hope so
Nov 29 05:07:03 <Alison_Chaiken> pupnik, in that case I recommend that JunJi read "man ifconfig" in order to figure out how to setup eth0.   It's easier to understand than editing the files in /etc by hand.
Nov 29 05:07:26 <JunJi> yes we have ifconfig on meego
Nov 29 05:08:47 <JunJi> on the meego kernel, I can't assign my network card to the eth0
Nov 29 05:09:29 <JunJi> I'm using virtual box
Nov 29 05:19:19 <JunJi> somebody knows how to assign a network card to 'eth0' on the meego kernel??
Nov 29 05:19:51 <JunJi> I don't see any 'eth x' when I type ifconfig
Nov 29 05:19:56 <JunJi> there is just 'lo'
Nov 29 05:20:04 <pupnik> it's not always "eth*" btw
Nov 29 05:20:09 <pupnik> almost always
Nov 29 05:20:36 <JunJi> but at least ifconfig should show something with an IP
Nov 29 05:21:46 <JunJi> so I guess my meego kernel doesn't recognize any network card
Nov 29 05:31:10 <Alison_Chaiken> JunJi, if you do "lsmod" or "modprobe -l", do you see that the driver of your card is loaded?    You need to figure out if you really do have a driver (kernel-level) problem or a configuration (user-level) problem.
Nov 29 05:34:08 <JunJi> thanks for the help, let me check it
Nov 29 05:41:46 <JunJi> well, I can see several files under the directory 'kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia' so I would say these are for the network card.
Nov 29 05:42:15 <JunJi> What should I do for the user-level configuration??
Nov 29 05:43:59 <JunJi> and when I run 'dmesg | grep eth0
Nov 29 05:44:25 <JunJi> I see pcnet32: eth0: registered as PCnet/FAST III 79C973
Nov 29 05:44:30 <JunJi> etho0 renamed to eth1 by udevd[304]
Nov 29 05:44:39 <JunJi> udev : renamed network interface eth0 to eth1
Nov 29 05:45:03 <JunJi> but ifconfig eth1 isn't showing any ip address too
Nov 29 05:47:30 <Alison_Chaiken> JunJi, you certainly have the drivers in the filesystem, but you need to see if the kernel is loading them.    That's why I suggested the lsmod and modprobe commands.   Also try "dmesg | grep eth".
Nov 29 05:48:38 <Alison_Chaiken> Ooops, I see now you did the dmesg.    For user-level, try just plain "ifconfig".    Does it show anything besides lo?
Nov 29 05:49:11 <Alison_Chaiken> Odd that eth0 is renamed to eth1.    I don't know why that would happen.   Two ethernet cards?   One card with two ports?
Nov 29 05:51:12 <JunJi> hmm..
Nov 29 05:51:43 <JunJi> I'm not sure but is it happening because I have another lan card for bluetooth??
Nov 29 05:52:25 <JunJi> I'm running this meego kernel through virtual box, do I need to set any configuration about network adapters??
Nov 29 05:53:18 <Alison_Chaiken> JunJi, can you temporarily shut down, remove the other card, reboot and see if things are different?    I'd still do the "lsmod" or "modprobe -l" by the way; the driver you need may not be loaded by the kernel.    If so, you can try loading it by hand.
Nov 29 05:54:10 <JunJi> hmm...
Nov 29 05:54:41 <JunJi> actually it's a laptop so hard to dettach only the network card :(
Nov 29 05:55:01 <timoph> can you disable it from bios?
Nov 29 05:55:05 <Alison_Chaiken> While I've run qemu-kvm and qemugl, I have no experience with Virtual Box.    There was a good talk at the MeeGoCon by Haitao Zheng, Ian Molton and Zhiyuang Lv.   Lv is the developer of Virtual Box for MeeGo, if all else fails.   You can watch the video at the web site.
Nov 29 05:55:17 <JunJi> great idea, timoph thanks
Nov 29 05:55:34 <JunJi> Lv?
Nov 29 05:55:48 <Alison_Chaiken> JunJi, I thought you could eject your card since you mentioned pcmcia.   If internal, not pcmcia!
Nov 29 05:57:03 <JunJi> aha..
Nov 29 05:57:10 <JunJi> I
Nov 29 05:57:22 <JunJi> I'm not good at these hardware level at all :( sorry about that
Nov 29 05:58:02 <JunJi> I can see eth1 named 'Ethernet' without ip address, if I type 'ifconfig -a'
Nov 29 06:00:01 <JunJi> Can I know their web site address about Virtual box for meego?
Nov 29 06:07:16 <Alison_Chaiken> By the way, on my Fedora 14 desktop (meego not booted this instant), dmesg | grep eth0 shows "[   21.585067] sky2 0000:02:00.0: eth0: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex, flow control both" so I can see that sky2 is the driver for my network card.   lsmod then shows that the driver is loaded.   For the talk about Virtual Box (and Xephyr and qemugl), look at http://conference2010.meego.com/session/opengl-acceleration-meego-sim
Nov 29 06:07:17 <Alison_Chaiken> ulator-and-emulator
Nov 29 06:19:31 <JunJi> hey Alison_Chaiken, thank you so much for the help, I appreciate it.
Nov 29 06:21:11 <Alison_Chaiken> Good luck JunJi, network drivers can be a headache.
Nov 29 06:25:45 <dm8tbr> JunJi: weren't you the one playing with OBS?
Nov 29 06:26:18 <JunJi> right
Nov 29 06:26:44 <dm8tbr> well I played with those images etc. bottom line: the vmdk is broken
Nov 29 06:27:00 <dm8tbr> you can use the raw image though and convert it using qemu-img
Nov 29 06:27:14 <JunJi> so I got an old version somehow
Nov 29 06:27:29 <JunJi> and, I'm on step in the manual
Nov 29 06:28:45 <JunJi> step 3
Nov 29 06:29:02 <JunJi> but this kernel doesn't give me the eth0
Nov 29 06:29:56 <Stskeeps> morning
Nov 29 06:30:16 <copyleft_> morning
Nov 29 06:30:48 <dm8tbr> JunJi: the renaming thing happens because of udev rules. you can just flush those and it will then stay eth0
Nov 29 06:31:03 <dm8tbr> morning, indeed
Nov 29 06:31:12 <dm8tbr> JunJi: which 'old' image did you use?
Nov 29 06:32:28 <JunJi> ok
Nov 29 06:32:29 <JunJi> I'll se
Nov 29 06:33:04 <JunJi> obs-server-i686-2.1.62-Build.1.1-vmx
Nov 29 06:33:12 <dm8tbr> Stskeeps: btw - any idea what's meego specific in this? http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools:/MeeGo/images/
Nov 29 06:33:24 <JunJi> how can I do the 'flush'?
Nov 29 06:34:06 <Stskeeps> dm8tbr: i think they branched for a little while to help meego along, but im unsure
Nov 29 06:34:17 <dm8tbr> ah, ok
Nov 29 06:35:12 <dm8tbr> JunJi: delete the lines in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
Nov 29 06:35:25 <JunJi> thanks I'll do right now
Nov 29 06:35:32 <dm8tbr> then reboot
Nov 29 06:35:43 <JunJi> gotcha
Nov 29 06:38:21 <JunJi> dm8tbr thanks it's working
Nov 29 06:39:00 <dm8tbr> :)
Nov 29 06:42:54 <hlzxy> if I want to use 'build' to create a rpm with local source code , how I should  do?
Nov 29 06:44:53 <hlzxy> It seems that it always get source code package from net
Nov 29 06:45:47 <Stskeeps> it needs to get dependancies
Nov 29 06:46:38 <hlzxy> yes, but I want to change the code I want build
Nov 29 06:46:38 <JunJi> http://git.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config.git is not available now
Nov 29 06:47:34 <Stskeeps> hlzxy: build takes .spec files too
Nov 29 06:48:14 <JunJi> Stskeeps/ could I get the file? Actually I guess this is the final step to start the obs..
Nov 29 06:48:20 <JunJi> I really want to see that in today :)
Nov 29 06:48:30 <JunJi> your manual is awesome.. thanks for the great work
Nov 29 06:48:46 <copyleft> hlzxy: You will still need to have a repository that create the base build environment. The repository can be on the local or the Internet.
Nov 29 06:49:22 <Stskeeps> JunJi: http://git.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config.git
Nov 29 06:49:29 <Stskeeps> that really should work
Nov 29 06:49:43 <Stskeeps> JunJi: 'git clone http://git.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config.git'
Nov 29 06:49:47 <JunJi> it's showing Not Found  The requested URL /meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config.git was not found on this server. Apache Server at git.gitorious.org Port 80
Nov 29 06:50:02 <Stskeeps> yes, but try to run it with git
Nov 29 06:50:06 <hlzxy> Stskeeps: er,I want to build a rpm package like rpmbuild ,use the local  code package,and the dependancies  still be got from network
Nov 29 06:50:37 <Stskeeps> hlzxy: show me your command line
Nov 29 06:50:50 <RST38h> morning, Stskeeps
Nov 29 06:50:56 <JunJi> error: while accessing .... fatal: HTTP request failed
Nov 29 06:51:00 <JunJi> it's what it says
Nov 29 06:51:13 <Stskeeps> JunJi: ok, that's a bit weird
Nov 29 06:51:17 <Stskeeps> hlzxy: http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment
Nov 29 06:51:20 <JunJi> hmm...
Nov 29 06:51:46 <Stskeeps> JunJi: how about git clone git://gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/obs-project-config.git ?
Nov 29 06:52:05 <JunJi> let me give it a shot
Nov 29 06:52:34 <JunJi> works
Nov 29 06:52:57 <Stskeeps> good
Nov 29 06:53:51 <JunJi> I'm so excited that I'm just about the last step
Nov 29 06:58:56 <copyleft> BTW, where is the prjconf of MeeGo:1.1:Core? just use the Trunk file right?
Nov 29 07:00:17 <Stskeeps> take the Trunk, i think it was forgotten to copy it to MeeGo:1.1:Core
Nov 29 07:00:20 <Stskeeps> please file a bug
Nov 29 07:00:57 <copyleft> Stskeeps: got it :)
Nov 29 07:06:11 <kismeter> any body can explain the difference between meego image *.sda.bin and *.img
Nov 29 07:16:26 <hlzxy> Stskeeps: can  it  build a package to the specified arch  with rpmbuild ?
Nov 29 07:16:57 <Stskeeps> yes
Nov 29 07:19:17 <JunJi> Stskeeps // if i got the OBS, it's re-building every packages for a certain architecture simply. is it right?
Nov 29 07:19:54 <Stskeeps> JunJi: the default guide will build a package for both x86 and ARM if you ask it to
Nov 29 07:20:17 <JunJi> I don't need any re-compiling by hand, huh?
Nov 29 07:20:27 <JunJi> yes, I want ARM
Nov 29 07:21:01 <Stskeeps> JunJi: if you need to recompile the system, you can import all source packages, but that's not automatic :)
Nov 29 07:21:31 <JunJi> ok, I'll try. Thanks, your manual really saves me
Nov 29 07:21:40 <JunJi> I'm at downloading a release
Nov 29 07:21:56 <JunJi> by /usr/sbin/import-meego-release.sh 1.0.99.0.20101005.1 rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.0.99/ obs-project-config/Trunk
Nov 29 07:22:07 <Stskeeps> yes
Nov 29 07:22:22 <JunJi> fantastic
Nov 29 07:22:31 <JunJi> are you working at Nokia or intel closely?
Nov 29 07:23:02 <timoph> he's working from his sofa :)
Nov 29 07:23:15 <JunJi> you told me that you're related with them somehow
Nov 29 07:23:37 <Stskeeps> i have my own company and working from home, but nokia pays me to fullfill my role as nokia n900 hardware adaptation maintainer
Nov 29 07:23:43 <copyleft> Sounds cool, I didn't know that there is a import-meego-release.sh script.
Nov 29 07:23:45 <JunJi> I guess in this channel, some people are working together in the same company
Nov 29 07:23:49 <JunJi> aha
Nov 29 07:23:54 <JunJi> awesome
Nov 29 07:24:31 <JunJi> I'm in the asia time zone so this is afternoon, what about you guys??
Nov 29 07:24:34 <Stskeeps> 8am
Nov 29 07:24:40 <JunJi> I just came from America..
Nov 29 07:24:40 <JunJi> aha
Nov 29 07:24:44 <JunJi> so early morning
Nov 29 07:24:49 <JunJi> early birds you guys are
Nov 29 07:25:39 <timoph> 9.15am in Finland
Nov 29 07:26:01 <JunJi> how do you guys think about North Korea?
Nov 29 07:26:05 <JunJi> I'm not north korean though,
Nov 29 07:26:06 <SwedeMike> 08:17 <    timoph> 9.15am in Finland
Nov 29 07:26:24 <JunJi> actually in a country very very near
Nov 29 07:27:21 <Kubuntiac> Anyone know if there are any 7" Meego devices planned?
Nov 29 07:27:40 <JunJi> ok nobody is interested in this topic haha
Nov 29 07:27:59 <Kubuntiac> What topic?
Nov 29 07:28:08 <JunJi> about north korea
Nov 29 07:28:21 <hhurtta> why #meego should be interested in that subject?
Nov 29 07:28:26 <JunJi> cool
Nov 29 07:28:38 <Kubuntiac> Heh. I'd say North Korea is the US Government's next target... after Iran. </political rant>
Nov 29 07:28:40 <JunJi> I didn't say it should be
Nov 29 07:28:46 <Stskeeps> JunJi: generally we try to avoid politics here as there's many different countries and opinions - difficult not to get into an argument
Nov 29 07:28:57 <Stskeeps> we try to let everyone work together in a happy family ;)
Nov 29 07:28:59 <JunJi> reasonable
Nov 29 07:29:00 <timoph> I tend to keep myself out of any polical, etc. discussion. IMO those things are really not relevant topics here
Nov 29 07:29:03 <Kubuntiac> oops. I'll drop it. :)
Nov 29 07:29:22 <JunJi> just popped in my head cause they did something very recently
Nov 29 07:29:29 <JunJi> I applogize this
Nov 29 07:29:33 <Stskeeps> hehe, it's ok :)
Nov 29 07:30:07 <copyleft> Yeah even hard to define and create a local MeeGo Network in some place. *sigh*
Nov 29 07:30:26 <Kubuntiac> copyleft: ouch
Nov 29 07:30:42 <Kubuntiac> Meego's using ConnMan aren't they?
Nov 29 07:30:52 <timoph> yep
Nov 29 07:30:58 <JunJi> just bored to wait downloading a meego release with under 100kb/s internet speed :(
Nov 29 07:31:18 <Kubuntiac> Can you dual boot MeeGo like other Linux distro's?
Nov 29 07:31:26 <Kubuntiac> Like from Grub2
Nov 29 07:31:38 <mihero> yes
Nov 29 07:31:45 <JunJi> I guess netbook will be supporting that
Nov 29 07:31:46 <Kubuntiac> cool
Nov 29 07:31:51 <Stskeeps> JunJi: you'll be pleased to know it's about 3-4gb then
Nov 29 07:32:09 <JunJi> haha..
Nov 29 07:32:36 <JunJi> before it's done, can I see the web interface? actually I didn't check its IP
Nov 29 07:33:13 <Stskeeps> http://ip/
Nov 29 07:33:38 <hlzxy> Stskeep:do it not add to the end of commands,why I run 'rpmbuild -ba  .spec  --target=armv7l',it  create a  i386 rpm? something wrong with my commands?
Nov 29 07:34:12 <Stskeeps> hlzxy: use 'build', not 'rpmbuild/
Nov 29 07:35:18 <zinit> morning
Nov 29 07:35:28 <JunJi> hallo
Nov 29 07:35:36 <zinit> how's it going?
Nov 29 07:36:53 <JunJi> if I stopped the import-meego-release.sh and restart it, does it have to work from the very beginning again?
Nov 29 07:37:50 <JunJi> I want to see its IP right now @@
Nov 29 07:38:29 <Stskeeps> JunJi: it's restartable
Nov 29 07:38:39 <JunJi> awesome
Nov 29 07:39:00 <JunJi> with just ctrl+z
Nov 29 07:39:01 <JunJi> ?
Nov 29 07:39:26 <hhurtta> ctrl-z is not stoppin
Nov 29 07:39:30 <hhurtta> but suspending
Nov 29 07:39:31 <hlzxy> Stskeep: if I have a src.rpm that I have changed , 'build' will  use it  or  use the code from net?
Nov 29 07:39:45 <hhurtta> it starts again with command fg
Nov 29 07:39:56 <hhurtta> which starts it on foreground
Nov 29 07:39:59 <JunJi> ok, I'm not gonna try this. thanks hhurtta
Nov 29 07:40:13 <hhurtta> and command bg should put it on background
Nov 29 07:40:31 <JunJi> I'll stay safe :)
Nov 29 07:40:48 <hhurtta> ctrl-c is the brutal way of trying to stop the process
Nov 29 07:41:21 <zinit> I prefer a kill. that one usually works no matter what the process is doing
Nov 29 07:41:35 <hhurtta> even more brutal :)
Nov 29 07:41:37 <duno> hi
Nov 29 07:42:05 <zinit> ctrl-z doesnt always work
Nov 29 07:42:15 <copyleft> hlzxy: build will use the local spec file you give it.
Nov 29 07:42:44 <hhurtta> zinit: ctrl-z suspends the process
Nov 29 07:42:57 <duno> i have a question about meego, will it work with a x220 proz. ?
Nov 29 07:44:37 <copyleft> hlzxy: and srcrpm of cause.
Nov 29 07:44:52 <hlzxy> copyleft:yes, but if I use local path to set the source ,it could not find the path, it just find  /var/tmp/build-root/$path,how I could do
Nov 29 07:45:48 <duno> nobody here who can answer my question?
Nov 29 07:47:42 <hhurtta> duno: be patient, you only asked it like 5 mins ago
Nov 29 07:47:50 <duno> k
Nov 29 07:50:07 <copyleft> hlzxy: normally it copy the source rpm or spec into /var/tmp/build-root and then create chroot on it and build it. Did you give it a specific path?
Nov 29 07:50:12 <zinit> http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/Symbian_Foundation_web_sites_to_shut_down
Nov 29 07:50:52 <zinit> hmm.... this should have come out before the meego conference... bet it would give the nokia peoope some interesting questions to answer
Nov 29 07:51:27 <poutsi> anybody been working with qt-components from the forumnokia ppa in ubuntu?
Nov 29 07:52:08 <poutsi> got this strange problem where apps work 2-3 times after a reboot but then start hanging before displaying any windows
Nov 29 07:52:24 <hlzxy> copyleft: I write the Source0 as:/root/rpmbuild/SOURCE/hello-2.5.tar.gz,  and run it as root
Nov 29 07:53:03 <tybollt> zinit: what the ...?
Nov 29 07:53:12 <copyleft> hlzxy: just use hello-2.5.tar.gz in Source0, not the full path.
Nov 29 07:54:02 <zinit> tybollt: interesting that nokia is shutting down symbian as opensource.. (at least making it less availeable..)
Nov 29 07:54:26 <zinit> has zip to do with meego, but still interesting
Nov 29 07:54:40 <tybollt> zinit: Oh that was fairly expected - why do you think they hired that microsoft guy after all?
Nov 29 07:55:04 <zinit> true... still they should have stuck to it when they released symbian as opensource
Nov 29 07:55:30 <tybollt> zinit: it's like all the crybabies about mysql right now - like WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING? Larry Ellison is at the helm of course it was about shutting down and making money off of it. :)
Nov 29 07:56:06 <hlzxy> copyleft:fail, it could not find the code
Nov 29 07:56:34 <zinit> like when oracle bought sun... slowly killing the company off by cutting the support to the customers, and when its fucked enough, kill the company and make a buck or 2
Nov 29 07:56:40 <tybollt> zinit: yeah... but then nokia is going through a pretty major shuffle right now...
Nov 29 07:56:44 <zinit> true
Nov 29 07:56:55 <tybollt> zinit: I'm actually surprised they didnt kill off the meego project just yet :)
Nov 29 07:57:21 <zinit> tybollt: they cant do that, they invested too much time, effort and promises in it
Nov 29 07:57:27 <Fansy> Stskeeps: Good afternnon.
Nov 29 07:57:39 <zinit> tybollt: as did intel and several other companies
Nov 29 07:57:45 <Fansy> Stskeeps: It seems we need deliver all Meego packages(hundreds of) to OBS to build. How did you do that? By scripts?
Nov 29 07:57:51 <tybollt> zinit: heh well... I _hope_ you're right but realistically, naw, I think they can. :)
Nov 29 07:57:57 <zinit> so I think meego is safe
Nov 29 07:58:15 <tybollt> but still why kill symbian?
Nov 29 07:58:21 <duno> as i was reading meego is working on arm based cpu, the x220 is a arm11, so could it fit?
Nov 29 07:58:22 <tybollt> what's w/ that decision?
Nov 29 07:58:25 <zinit> they can pull out of the project, but they can kill it off for legal reasons
Nov 29 07:58:32 <thiago_home> oracle is (trying to) make money by selling sun's stuff
Nov 29 07:58:40 <tybollt> I mean symbian was going to take the lead in the nokia portfolio, no?
Nov 29 07:58:40 <thiago_home> nokia isn't going to make money by licensing symbian
Nov 29 07:58:57 <thiago_home> tybollt: was going to? Do you mean it wasn't the lead?
Nov 29 07:59:09 <zinit> they killed off the support in norway, so the norwegian universities are slowly leaving sun after 15 years of only using sun for critical systems
Nov 29 08:00:02 <thiago_home> zinit: use norwegian technology then
Nov 29 08:00:16 <zinit> they did the same in several other countries, all developement support and enterprise support they wont uphold their contracts
Nov 29 08:00:39 <zinit> dont think there is any norwegian companies that deliver that kind of hardware and SW solutions
Nov 29 08:01:03 * thiago_home was thinking of Qt
Nov 29 08:01:10 <Stskeeps> Fansy: investigate 'osc importsrcpkg'
Nov 29 08:01:54 <zinit> sont think univercities would do that for critical systems like student and employee databases, login systems and other critical systems.
Nov 29 08:02:49 <zinit> got a feeling they will go over to the itanium platform with hp-ux (short leap in the rewriting of all the software)
Nov 29 08:04:05 <Fansy> Stskeeps: OK. thanks
Nov 29 08:04:18 <thiago_home> zinit: Qt runs on that :-)
Nov 29 08:04:38 <thiago_home> we have not just one but *two* itaniums running HP-UXi in the office
Nov 29 08:04:57 <thiago_home> they come in quite handy this time of the year
Nov 29 08:05:27 <dm8tbr> space heaters?
Nov 29 08:05:34 <thiago_home> yep
Nov 29 08:05:51 <hlzxy> have any idea
Nov 29 08:06:25 <JunJi> do we have any public-official OBS for meego?
Nov 29 08:06:51 <zinit> ux in qt?
Nov 29 08:06:57 <zinit> or the qt on ux?
Nov 29 08:07:16 <zinit> I dont have any itaniums to screw with here, but got some PA's with ux
Nov 29 08:07:30 <copyleft> hlzxy: I think you will need to copy the spec file and the source tarball into the same directory first before running build.
Nov 29 08:07:42 <Stskeeps> JunJi: build.meego.com is where the project is built, we're working on making it more transparent
Nov 29 08:07:46 <zinit> one with ux 11.23 thats not being used for squat at the moment...(has no vga)
Nov 29 08:07:58 <Stskeeps> JunJi: build.pub.meego.com is for application devel and experiments, only open source, but has very little build power atm
Nov 29 08:07:59 <copyleft> hlzxy: but don't specify the absolute path in the spec file.
Nov 29 08:08:53 <JunJi> As far as I know, I have to make an account here? who is in charge of that?
Nov 29 08:08:54 <copyleft> Stskeeps: will build.pub.meego.com have a MeeGo:Trunk build target someday?
Nov 29 08:08:56 <thiago_home> zinit: we stopped supporting PA
Nov 29 08:09:04 <hlzxy> copyleft:er,I will try
Nov 29 08:09:06 <thiago_home> zinit: we have some clients using Qt for the backend servers
Nov 29 08:09:30 <zinit> ok
Nov 29 08:09:44 <Stskeeps> copyleft: dunno
Nov 29 08:09:53 <Stskeeps> copyleft: it should be possible, OBS linking is open now
Nov 29 08:10:01 <zinit> PA is getting old, but I still see alot of cusomers that has it. stable little fuckers....
Nov 29 08:10:06 <tybollt> anyway
Nov 29 08:10:15 <tybollt> close sourcing symbian...
Nov 29 08:10:28 <tybollt> what impact will that have on the shared QT infrastructure etc?
Nov 29 08:10:37 <thiago_home> tybollt: what do you mean?
Nov 29 08:10:38 <duno> k
Nov 29 08:10:44 <zinit> not close sourcing, they are just making it harder to get the source....
Nov 29 08:11:08 <zinit> http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/Symbian_Foundation_web_sites_to_shut_down
Nov 29 08:11:23 <zinit> thiago_home: reading material:P
Nov 29 08:11:49 <tybollt> well the point was to easily make programs run on either symbian or meego
Nov 29 08:12:00 <tybollt> will that be as easy/possible granted this last change?
Nov 29 08:12:29 <JunJi> who do I have to contact to get an OBS account??
Nov 29 08:12:45 <Stskeeps> JunJi: for which one?:
Nov 29 08:12:55 <thiago_home> tybollt: run on symbian != get symbian's source code
Nov 29 08:13:16 <JunJi> hmm.. are they different? then i would need build.meego.com thing
Nov 29 08:13:49 <tybollt> thiago_home: well...
Nov 29 08:14:46 <Ford_Prefect> "Reason: Hi, baby, i really love you very much\!\!\!"
Nov 29 08:14:47 <Ford_Prefect> lol?
Nov 29 08:15:35 <Fansy> Stskeeps: How many workers available on build.meego.com OBS now? Never login to see the performance.
Nov 29 08:16:05 <JunJi> Fansy, how did you get the account?
Nov 29 08:16:40 <kismeter> JunJi:ask x-fake
Nov 29 08:16:46 <Stskeeps> JunJi: build.meego.com is only for people with commit bit to meego, build.pub.meego.com is for 'community obs'
Nov 29 08:16:49 <Stskeeps> Fansy: ~463
Nov 29 08:17:00 <JunJi> hmm..
Nov 29 08:17:18 <Fansy> JunJi: No, I never gained the account.
Nov 29 08:17:39 <JunJi> ok, so common users can get pub's account.
Nov 29 08:17:43 <Stskeeps> yes
Nov 29 08:17:57 <Stskeeps> build.meego.com will hopefully be more transparent eventually
Nov 29 08:17:57 <JunJi> from x-fake
Nov 29 08:18:01 <Stskeeps> so you can see things
Nov 29 08:18:04 <JunJi> understand
Nov 29 08:18:04 <Stskeeps> x-fade and lbt
Nov 29 08:18:59 <copyleft> lol x-fake
Nov 29 08:19:06 <hlzxy> copyleft: so good  ,I  want to know the reason.
Nov 29 08:19:42 <copyleft> hlzxy: about what?
Nov 29 08:20:04 <hlzxy> copyleft:why it can work ,
Nov 29 08:21:15 <copyleft> hlzxy: build search the spec file, patches and source tarball in the same directory.
Nov 29 08:23:36 <hlzxy> copyleft:o,thanks,I shuould go to see the 'build' script
Nov 29 08:33:47 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 29 08:33:59 <Stskeeps> morn jaffa, how's stuff?
Nov 29 08:34:58 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Good, thanks. Should get dressed for taking Jaffa Jr. to doctors.
Nov 29 08:36:50 <Termana> Jaffa Jr.... sounds like some kind of chocolate bar :p
Nov 29 08:42:30 <hlzxy> is there 'build' tools  for meego1.1？
Nov 29 08:46:43 <cuishuping> Hi, buddy
Nov 29 08:47:06 <hlzxy> I get the 'build' tool,and find it can build a meego1.0 rpm ,but not to meego1.1,where I can find the tool for meego1.1
Nov 29 08:51:25 <copyleft> hlzxy: are you using MeeGo 1.1 SDK? Then what's the error message
Nov 29 08:54:25 <hlzxy> copyleft:yes,  the error:           rpm: error while loading shared libraries: liblua-5.1.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Nov 29 08:56:04 <hlzxy> copyleft:when use 'build' tools i got  to create a rpm package,it show that error
Nov 29 08:56:31 <Stskeeps> full command line please
Nov 29 08:56:47 <copyleft> hlzxy: that's a known issue, you will need to preinall liblua in the build config file.
Nov 29 08:57:33 <copyleft> hlzxy: the original one is lua, should modify to liblua. I'm looking for the web page of this issue.
Nov 29 08:58:03 <hlzxy> copyleft:I wiil try
Nov 29 08:59:27 <copyleft> hlzxy: /usr/lib/build/configs/meego-1.0.conf, modify lua to liblua
Nov 29 09:00:10 <copyleft> this config may be already updated in MeeGo 1.1 or trunk in some package, I'm not sure. But the OBS prjconf has fixed it.
Nov 29 09:00:48 <copyleft> may need a document about it.
Nov 29 09:02:43 <hlzxy> copyleft:I am trying ,why it show meego1.0.conf,not meego1.1.conf?
Nov 29 09:04:25 <copyleft> hlzxy: Because MeeGo guys run "osc build" not "build" I guess :p. Which osc build runs a correct project config via MeeGo 1.1 in OBS. So the one in "/usr/lib/build/" may be forgotten.
Nov 29 09:04:46 <copyleft> I'm not sure, just guess :)
Nov 29 09:05:25 <hlzxy> everything maybe
Nov 29 09:06:37 <copyleft> anyway it should work after modify to liblua and you may file a bug if the config is still incorrect in MeeGo 1.1 Tool repository
Nov 29 09:07:01 <copyleft> Haven't checked it recently.
Nov 29 09:07:45 <hlzxy> I will do it if not
Nov 29 09:31:56 <timeless_webchat> so, after compression, my disk has 14gb of free space :) -- 34%, up from ~200mb :)
Nov 29 09:32:42 <fcrozat> this reminds me of stacker
Nov 29 09:33:03 <fcrozat> when I had a ISA card to handle file compression on my i386
Nov 29 09:35:42 <vilvo_> Stskeeps: ping?
Nov 29 09:36:02 <Stskeeps> pong
Nov 29 09:36:22 <vilvo_> do you happen to be #meego channel admin ?
Nov 29 09:36:36 <Stskeeps> yes - along with dawnfoster
Nov 29 09:37:09 <vilvo_> so my problem is described at http://pastebin.com/NERzNSiL , line 27 and I need your help, please
Nov 29 09:37:46 <Stskeeps> sec
Nov 29 09:40:59 <dm8tbr> vilvo_: the right thing to do is contact freenode staff
Nov 29 09:41:35 <dm8tbr> ah you already got staff involved
Nov 29 09:44:44 <hlzxy> copyleft:it seems OK now,when I do it first time ,error exist,second time,ok.
Nov 29 09:50:52 <Jay_BEE> gn
Nov 29 09:51:34 <copyleft> hlzxy: great
Nov 29 10:06:24 <hlzxy> how I can load all packages  on http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/
Nov 29 10:07:38 <Stskeeps> rsync them from rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/
Nov 29 10:09:42 <dm8tbr> whee, meego booted on my PB
Nov 29 10:09:48 <Stskeeps> woo
Nov 29 10:10:20 <dm8tbr> that hdmi/dvi adapter was a good investment
Nov 29 10:11:38 <lcuk> timoph, your mentioning about #meego-qa-tools channel, I believe the process is started by stskeeps and dawnfoster
Nov 29 10:13:33 <tyson_> Stskeeps: help.....
Nov 29 10:14:15 <timoph> lcuk: ack
Nov 29 10:15:32 <hlzxy> Stskeeps: rsync rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/      and  it show  a list  of  them ,seems nothing happened.
Nov 29 10:16:12 <Stskeeps> hlzxy: look in 'source' now
Nov 29 10:17:38 <Stskeeps> tyson_: how did you install the old mic2?
Nov 29 10:18:41 <tyson_> Stskeeps: i cann't add my package to my meego image...i update my mic tools. remove the old mic use the command: apt-get remove mic..
Nov 29 10:19:16 <Stskeeps> ok, so you can generate now?
Nov 29 10:19:54 <tyson_> Stskeeps: log :http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870012
Nov 29 10:20:13 <Stskeeps> tyson_: ignore the last error, i get the same problem
Nov 29 10:20:42 <Stskeeps> if it says 'Finished', it's all good ;)
Nov 29 10:20:43 <tyson_> Stskeeps: i can generate the image. but my package hadn't add to my iamge..
Nov 29 10:22:02 <Stskeeps> tyson_: well, in that particular log you were generating our old .ks, sure it has your package?
Nov 29 10:22:31 <tyson_> Stskeeps: if my package can install, i can see the "Installing:  helloworld          ##################### [530/530]"... but i haven't see this..
Nov 29 10:22:43 <Stskeeps> tyson_: pastebin your .ks please
Nov 29 10:23:05 <tyson_> Stskeeps: OK, wait a moment..
Nov 29 10:25:40 <tyson_> Stskeeps: the website:http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870013 ..  and you paticular see the 22th and 46th lines...thanks..
Nov 29 10:26:10 <Stskeeps> tyson_: could you ls /home/administrator/myrepo ?
Nov 29 10:26:45 <tyson_> Stskeeps: OK .wait..
Nov 29 10:27:25 <tyson_> Stskeeps:   hello-2.5-9.1.armv7l.rpm  LICENSE.txt  repodata ..  there are three files..
Nov 29 10:29:29 <tyson_> Stskeeps:   is it right?
Nov 29 10:30:10 <Stskeeps> tyson_: well, you'd see 'Installing: hello' instead
Nov 29 10:31:36 <tyson_> Stskeeps:   write this to ks file?
Nov 29 10:32:09 <Stskeeps> no, your .ks looks fine
Nov 29 10:32:15 <Stskeeps> paste whole build log please
Nov 29 10:33:50 <tyson_> Stskeeps:    the website http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870012  is  my whole log. i think...
Nov 29 10:34:43 <Stskeeps> well, not all the Installing: line
Nov 29 10:35:47 <tyson_> Stskeeps:  OK. no "Installing  hello ########### [530/530]" line...i promise..
Nov 29 10:36:15 <Stskeeps> try to rm LICENSE.txt from your repo
Nov 29 10:39:57 <tyson_> Stskeeps: this time. i don't need to type "enter" "yes" and ":q".
Nov 29 10:40:13 <Stskeeps> tyson_: good
Nov 29 10:41:43 <tyson_> Stskeeps: but i think maybe i also cann't add my package to my meego image ...because the [530/530]...i think if i can install my package..it will change to [531/531]
Nov 29 10:42:45 <Stskeeps> tyson_: try to re-run createrepo maye
Nov 29 10:43:40 <tyson_> Stskeeps: OK, i try it...
Nov 29 10:47:03 <hlzxy> Stskeeps:I see it  .  thanks
Nov 29 10:48:09 <tyson_> Stskeeps: 530 packages to be installed, 530 packages gotten from cache, 0 packages to be downloaded....cann't install my package...
Nov 29 10:49:42 <Stskeeps> tyson_: mic-chroot the image afterwards and rpm -qa | grep hello
Nov 29 10:54:10 <tyson_> Stskeeps: OK. and wait a moment.. i'm coping the whole log....
Nov 29 11:03:19 <tyson_> Stskeeps: the whole log: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870030...please see it. thank you very much...
Nov 29 11:04:29 <tyson_> Stskeeps: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870030
Nov 29 11:04:43 <Stskeeps> tyson_: there's something weird there for sure
Nov 29 11:05:41 <zinit> tyson_: are you behind a proxy? those can make that problem
Nov 29 11:05:57 <Stskeeps> zinit: it's a local repo, file:///
Nov 29 11:06:26 <tyson_> zinit: no..Stskeeps is right..
Nov 29 11:06:28 <zinit> ok. then it should work... is it on a local linux partition? or ntfs?
Nov 29 11:06:42 <zinit> ntfs can be anoying
Nov 29 11:06:48 <Stskeeps> tyson_: could you zip/tar the 'myrepo' directory and mail it to carsten.munk@gmail.com ?
Nov 29 11:06:54 <tyson_> ubuntu 10.04
Nov 29 11:07:00 <Stskeeps> tyson_: i think you're genuinely hitting a bug now, so
Nov 29 11:07:11 <zinit> ext3 or ext4?
Nov 29 11:07:16 <zinit> meego doesnt support ext4
Nov 29 11:07:23 <Stskeeps> tyson_: i would recommend you use a fedora 12 or 13 virtual machine for generating images
Nov 29 11:07:25 <zinit> (yet)
Nov 29 11:07:33 <Stskeeps> less weird experiences
Nov 29 11:13:16 <zinit> my expwerience with meego and ext4 is that it can list the files, but cant access them. so if you got ext4 on that partition, that could cause the problem with access problems to the repo.
Nov 29 11:13:45 <Stskeeps> zinit: not related, we aren't running the meego kernel when making images
Nov 29 11:14:28 <zinit> strange that it doesnt work though....
Nov 29 11:14:51 <tyson_> sorry,, i'm taring the file of myrepo....
Nov 29 11:15:37 <tyson_> OK, Stskeeps,zinit, thank you...and i mailed it to you.Stskeeps..
Nov 29 11:16:29 <Stskeeps> tyson_: while i'm looking at that, consider to get a fedora 12 virtual machine
Nov 29 11:16:31 <tyson_> Stskeeps: i have two pc. one installed ubuntu10.04, the other installed fedora13...
Nov 29 11:16:33 <Stskeeps> ok
Nov 29 11:19:14 <Stskeeps> tyson_: cd ~/myrepo
Nov 29 11:19:17 <Stskeeps> createrepo .
Nov 29 11:20:11 <Stskeeps> then verify by checking zcat repodata/primary.xml.gz lists the 'hello' package
Nov 29 11:21:03 <Stskeeps> the one you just sent me didn't have any packages there
Nov 29 11:21:42 <tyson_> Stskeeps: see this website: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870034
Nov 29 11:22:07 <Stskeeps> looks correct, and now zcat repodata/primary.xml.gz
Nov 29 11:24:43 <tyson_> Stskeeps: see this website: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870035
Nov 29 11:25:10 <Stskeeps> looks correct, now try to make a image
Nov 29 11:26:01 <tyson_> Stskeeps: OK...
Nov 29 11:28:29 <lcuk> laptops without touch are frustrating :P
Nov 29 11:28:43 <tyson_> Stskeeps:   maybe this time can succeed..
Nov 29 11:30:26 <odin_> where are the slides and other auxiliary information (to go with meego conference videos?)
Nov 29 11:31:00 <Stskeeps> odin_: people are (slowly) uploading them
Nov 29 11:31:13 <Stskeeps> on conference2010.meego.com
Nov 29 11:31:21 <odin_> will they be attached as files under the videos, when they appear ?
Nov 29 11:31:36 <dm8tbr> on the left side
Nov 29 11:31:37 <Stskeeps> no, conference2010.meego.com sessions should show a flash player
Nov 29 11:31:44 <Stskeeps> i guess
Nov 29 11:32:06 <odin_> I've been looking from video.linuxfoundation.org/video/###
Nov 29 11:32:11 <tyson_> Stskeeps:  Installing: hello                        ##################### [224/531]
Nov 29 11:32:16 <Stskeeps> tyson_: finally
Nov 29 11:32:39 <tyson_> Stskeeps: but i don't know why?
Nov 29 11:32:42 <odin_> is there a conman issue, with the lenovo meego build ?  I had to manually edit /etc/resolv.conf to make DNS work
Nov 29 11:32:51 <dm8tbr> odin_: look at this example - http://conference2010.meego.com/session/meego-security-what-it-and-why-do-we-care
Nov 29 11:32:59 <odin_> the outbound query goes out and reply comes back but the application (ping/ssh/whatever) doesn't get resolution
Nov 29 11:33:26 <Stskeeps> tyson_: ~/myrepo didn't have proper repository information that contained hello rpm information
Nov 29 11:33:31 <odin_> so I had to change the nameserver 127.0.0.1 to one on my network
Nov 29 11:33:37 <leolei> Who can tell me where I can  found ck-connector lib used by meego? I want to complie uxlaunch.Thanks.
Nov 29 11:33:43 <tyson_> Stskeeps: because i need write the mikipeada. you tell me do this..
Nov 29 11:34:17 <Stskeeps> tyson_: basically i think you ran 'createrepo' before putting in hello rpm
Nov 29 11:35:05 <tyson_> Stskeeps:  OK, i understand.. it is my fault...
Nov 29 11:36:57 <tyson_> Stskeeps: I hadn't follow the website(http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment#Including_your_packages_in_a_MeeGo_image)..it's my fault..
Nov 29 11:37:44 <Stskeeps> tyson_: ah, well at least we have a solution now :)
Nov 29 11:38:30 <tyson_> Stskeeps: thank you...you are my teacher....ah....
Nov 29 11:39:12 <Stskeeps> just be helpful to others asking same questions and i'm happy, less work for me
Nov 29 11:39:13 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 29 11:39:59 <tyson_> Stskeeps: and i have another question: how should i see the package in my meego image? if  i install it to my N900..
Nov 29 11:40:54 <Stskeeps> tyson_: in X-terminal, type 'hello'
Nov 29 11:41:59 <tyson_> Stskeeps: OK..and i found the meego os run my N900 very slowly...
Nov 29 11:42:28 <Stskeeps> tyson_: yes, our graphics drivers are bad, we are working on it in 1.2
Nov 29 11:43:51 <tyson_> Stskeeps: when i click the icon of "xterm Terminal", i need wait one or two minitues...:)
Nov 29 11:44:13 <Stskeeps> tyson_: that's a little high .. meego 1.1 or 1.1.80?
Nov 29 11:45:21 <tyson_> Stskeeps: that is my first time. and now just 5 or 10 seconds...:)
Nov 29 11:45:34 * timeless_mbp frowns
Nov 29 11:45:40 <timeless_mbp> someone really needs to change the conference site
Nov 29 11:45:49 <timeless_mbp> showing 'Status: Accepted' *after* the fact is kinda useless
Nov 29 11:46:00 <timeless_mbp> if you're going to show a status, it should be 'Presented' :)
Nov 29 11:46:51 <timeless_mbp> err wtf
Nov 29 11:47:00 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: i don't get it
Nov 29 11:47:07 <timeless_mbp> we *did* upload our slides
Nov 29 11:47:15 <timeless_mbp> why aren't they visible on the conference page?
Nov 29 11:47:21 <timeless_mbp> we did it before we went to present
Nov 29 11:47:27 * timeless_mbp grumbles
Nov 29 11:47:31 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: did you press 'apply'?
Nov 29 11:47:36 <timeless_mbp> um
Nov 29 11:47:40 <Stskeeps> i did same mistake
Nov 29 11:47:45 <timeless_mbp> dunno?
Nov 29 11:47:53 <timeless_mbp> i wasn't on camera when i did it
Nov 29 11:48:02 <timeless_mbp> but i'm not going to do anything about it now
Nov 29 11:48:10 <timeless_mbp> since i don't have credentials to make changes
Nov 29 11:48:13 <timeless_mbp> only presenter#1 can
Nov 29 11:48:27 <timeless_mbp> because no one fixed the stupid site to not discriminate against copresenters
Nov 29 11:48:39 <Stskeeps> i was presenter #2 and i could
Nov 29 11:48:49 <timeless_mbp> really?
Nov 29 11:48:58 <Stskeeps> yeah
Nov 29 11:49:03 <Stskeeps> then again, i'm admin..
Nov 29 11:49:06 <Stskeeps> so may not apply
Nov 29 11:49:12 <timeless_mbp> ...
Nov 29 11:49:21 * timeless_mbp offers Stskeeps  a 4 letter word
Nov 29 11:49:26 <timeless_mbp> and a 3 letter word
Nov 29 11:49:38 <timeless_mbp> not all of us are gods
Nov 29 11:49:43 <tyson_> Stskeeps:  now meego 1.1.80 needs 2-3 seconds..:)
Nov 29 11:49:45 <timeless_mbp> well, that could be fixed
Nov 29 11:50:25 <Stskeeps> yes
Nov 29 11:50:31 <Stskeeps> do you have a bug report?
Nov 29 11:50:50 <tyson_> Stskeeps:  i'm off now. thank you. Stskeeps...my teacher.....
Nov 29 11:51:06 <Stskeeps> tyson_: see you
Nov 29 11:51:52 <tyson_> Stskeeps: byebye....
Nov 29 11:52:04 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: after i miss lunch
Nov 29 11:52:08 <timeless_mbp> and i think i filed one
Nov 29 11:52:17 <timeless_mbp> i know i reported it to various people and mentioned it on the mistakes page
Nov 29 11:52:34 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 29 12:28:31 <linuxcentos> Where is the config file for TCP/IP /network?
Nov 29 12:28:55 <linuxcentos> trying to manually configure eth0, but getting connection failed from GUI
Nov 29 12:32:58 <lcuk> question about dmesg, is it possible for a userspace script to echo and add to the log or is there only a special kernel function available for writing new lines into it?
Nov 29 12:33:31 <thiago> linuxcentos: there isn't one. It's auto-configured from connman.
Nov 29 12:33:47 <thiago> lcuk: dmesg is a kernel buffer. You can't write to it.
Nov 29 12:34:07 <ohmy> Hello
Nov 29 12:34:10 <thiago> you can use logger to write to the syslog though
Nov 29 12:34:15 <Stskeeps> morning lbt
Nov 29 12:34:20 <lcuk> thiago, thanks \o
Nov 29 12:34:46 <lcuk> Stskeeps, you recall my issue with 2gb memory stick not being enough for the 2gb n900 image?
Nov 29 12:35:07 <Stskeeps> yes, i recall a headache about that
Nov 29 12:35:07 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 29 12:35:19 <lcuk> heh
Nov 29 12:35:39 <lcuk> well spyro was cloning the 4gb netbook install from my 4gb card to his on friday night
Nov 29 12:35:43 <lcuk> and it ran out of space
Nov 29 12:35:47 <ohmy> I haven't find Automotive Center Console HMI requirements documents anywhere, are they publically accessible?
Nov 29 12:35:55 <linuxcentos> thiago, i see
Nov 29 12:36:15 <lcuk> just reminded me :)
Nov 29 12:36:54 <linuxcentos> thiago, i had a beta meego image on my pc, now installing 1.1
Nov 29 12:37:01 <spyro> lcuk: yeah people making images need to make them a couple meg short of the max size
Nov 29 12:37:06 <spyro> IMHO
Nov 29 12:37:17 <spyro> stick vary a little under 4GB a lot of the time.
Nov 29 12:37:30 <linuxcentos> thiago, i see that Meego is actually very different than Fedora
Nov 29 12:37:55 <thiago> linuxcentos: it wasn't meant to look like fedora
Nov 29 12:37:59 <linuxcentos> thiago, dunno why i though i was quite similar to Fedora, maybe Meego uses RPM
Nov 29 12:38:10 <thiago> Mandriva and SUSE also use RPM
Nov 29 12:38:13 <thiago> as do most distros
Nov 29 12:38:18 <linuxcentos> mm
Nov 29 12:38:48 <linuxcentos> was Meego as OS new from scratch?
Nov 29 12:38:52 <thiago> yes
Nov 29 12:38:58 <linuxcentos> i see
Nov 29 12:39:00 <thiago> bootstrapped with components from Fedora and SUSE
Nov 29 12:39:11 <ohmy> thiago: Do you know if the "Automotive Center Console HMI requirements documents" are publically accessible please?
Nov 29 12:39:30 <thiago> ohmy: I have no idea what documents those are.
Nov 29 12:40:09 <linuxcentos> thiago, Meego looks far more native 'Linux' than Android
Nov 29 12:40:18 <thiago> linuxcentos: that's the intention
Nov 29 12:40:22 <ohmy> thiago: i was reading 1.1 release include and they made reference to some specifiations http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-in-vehicle-infotainment-ivi
Nov 29 12:40:27 <thiago> whereas Android's intention is to be nowhere close to native Linux
Nov 29 12:41:15 <linuxcentos> mm
Nov 29 12:41:39 <linuxcentos> i've Andoid phone - Nexus One- but looking forward to a Meego phone
Nov 29 12:41:50 <thiago> 2011
Nov 29 13:03:39 <tybollt> linuxcentos: look forward to waiting. There will be no usable meego phone in a looooooooooooooooooong time (lest they are way way way ahead of DEMO)
Nov 29 13:04:12 <toadpole> hey will the dual boot instructions for n900 be okay to use with meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.8.20101126.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 instead of meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.8.20101101.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2?
Nov 29 13:04:36 <Stskeeps> toadpole: u-boot instructions only work with those off tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php
Nov 29 13:05:16 <toadpole> that's where i got that file
Nov 29 13:06:34 <toadpole> was just wondering if its okay to use a later release than the one mentioned in the meego.com dual boot instructions
Nov 29 13:07:33 <toadpole> they mention meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2
Nov 29 13:07:58 <toadpole> i mean the instructions here - http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot
Nov 29 13:08:48 <Stskeeps> toadpole: not yet
Nov 29 13:09:02 <Stskeeps> and there shouldn't be 1.1.80 versions on tablets-dev
Nov 29 13:10:58 <toadpole> oh crap, wait sorry, i got that one from meego.com
Nov 29 13:11:08 <toadpole> i guess i'll just download the other one
Nov 29 13:11:14 <toadpole> thanks
Nov 29 13:20:56 <lcuk> a group of celebs say they will sign off social networks until the charity "Keep a child alive" raises a million dollars.
Nov 29 13:21:14 <linuxcentos> tybollt, why? No plans to release Meego phone?
Nov 29 13:21:24 <lcuk> my question, how will they hear about whether its been raised if they dont have social network logged in?
Nov 29 13:21:40 <linuxcentos> tybollt, what's Nokia and Intel doing with regard to phones?
Nov 29 13:23:01 <timeless_mbp> linuxcentos: vendors don't like making announcements until they're ready to make announcements
Nov 29 13:23:05 <timeless_mbp> it's a standard practice
Nov 29 13:23:36 <timeless_mbp> linuxcentos: and we as a community ask that people not ask questions which would make employees of companies uncomfortable
Nov 29 13:23:49 <timeless_mbp> (just as we ask everyone not to ask other questions which would make others uncomfortable)
Nov 29 13:24:22 <niala> timeless_mbp:
Nov 29 13:24:23 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: they'll rely on reporters to ask them :)
Nov 29 13:24:35 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, indeed
Nov 29 13:24:40 <lcuk> and well put btw :)
Nov 29 13:24:53 <niala> timeless_mbp: i have an uncomfortable question for christmas.... plasma or lcd ?
Nov 29 13:25:03 <Stskeeps> don't buy stuff in xmas
Nov 29 13:25:03 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 29 13:25:07 <timeless_mbp> niala: i'm not christian
Nov 29 13:25:11 <timeless_mbp> so please don't ask here. thanks :)
Nov 29 13:25:29 <ohmy> Hi again :)
Nov 29 13:26:25 <timeless_mbp> niala: thanks for the example of another uncomfortable question :)
Nov 29 13:26:37 <niala> timeless_mbp: i m not christian, but price are great actually :) .... sorry just a joke I don't wan't make you uncomfortable
Nov 29 13:27:08 <ohmy> As you acn guess, i'm quite new to meego and i'd like to understand some of it's components without downloading megabytes of binaries yet. i was reading "Integrity Protection Framework" for example, is there any document describing what it stands for ?
Nov 29 13:27:31 <timeless_mbp> niala: it's ok, especially as it underscores the point :)
Nov 29 13:29:08 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: offhand, http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7095 is related
Nov 29 13:29:48 <sx0n_> ohmy, maybe there is something: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/session-videos
Nov 29 13:30:15 <timeless_mbp> that really should include slide links
Nov 29 13:30:40 <ohmy> sx0n_: thank you
Nov 29 13:30:41 <timeless_mbp> oh, i guess in theory the slides are in the page once you load it
Nov 29 13:31:15 <sx0n_> i am not sure that every presentation includes those
Nov 29 13:32:02 <lcuk> sx0n_, I believe each presentor can upload slides given at their talk and they remain with the info and video etc
Nov 29 13:33:14 <timeless_mbp> sx0n_: well, i *tried* to upload our slides
Nov 29 13:33:28 <ohmy> Are the slides stored in a a central area (backup/recovery one for example)?
Nov 29 13:33:29 <timeless_mbp> but they were apparently eaten by a Grue
Nov 29 14:02:30 <lbt> o/ Stskeeps
Nov 29 14:07:18 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: did bug 6375 ever get resolved to your satisfaction?
Nov 29 14:07:20 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6375 nor, Undecided, ---, michael.r.shaver, RESO FIXED, Add bio to sponsored attendees report
Nov 29 14:14:54 <pinchartl> is the obs client available for gentoo ? google doesn't return any meaningful result :-S
Nov 29 14:15:42 <odin_> obs client, as in the "osc" tool ?
Nov 29 14:16:48 <pinchartl> odin_: yes
Nov 29 14:17:00 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: hey, can you walk me through how to upload slides?
Nov 29 14:17:02 <odin_> well it is a collection of python scripts
Nov 29 14:17:42 <pinchartl> odin_: I'll get the source and install that then. I was looking for a gentoo ebuild in an overlay
Nov 29 14:18:14 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: "edit" on the session
Nov 29 14:18:47 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: i don't see that
Nov 29 14:18:51 <timeless_mbp> you mean <http://conference2010.meego.com/session/creating-first-choice-open-source-mobile-platform-learning-mistakes-past-and-beyond> right?
Nov 29 14:18:56 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: right
Nov 29 14:19:00 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: if you don't get that, ask sivang
Nov 29 14:19:07 <pinchartl> odin_: do you know where I can find the osc source ?
Nov 29 14:19:18 <odin_> just looking it up one set, getting back into my openSuSE box
Nov 29 14:19:38 <pinchartl> thanks
Nov 29 14:19:47 <odin_> git://gitorious.org/opensuse/osc.git
Nov 29 14:20:40 <pinchartl> odin_: thanks
Nov 29 14:21:34 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: Yes, we got bios on conference reports which made doing the sponsorship task easier
Nov 29 14:21:52 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: can you mark that bug as 'verified'?
Nov 29 14:24:55 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: done
Nov 29 14:27:27 <ohmy> Ahh i would like to have backup slides :)
Nov 29 14:29:33 <ohmy> i meant, backup/restore presentation from meego conf 2010
Nov 29 14:37:44 <thiago> I'm getting this error from mad-admin:
Nov 29 14:37:55 <thiago> Can not find '/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/cache/meego-sdk-i586-toolchain-1.1-linux_i686.tar.gz' -- no such file.
Nov 29 14:38:04 <thiago> indeed, the file doesn't exist
Nov 29 14:38:21 <thiago> how do I get it?
Nov 29 14:47:15 <vilvo> lbt: pong
Nov 29 14:59:56 <GAN900> Why isn't the MeeGo planet heading on meego.com a link to Planet?
Nov 29 15:01:40 <vilvo> lbt: gotta go now but when you have time - do we have BOSS to orchestrate between build.meego.com and ots.meego.com?
Nov 29 15:27:04 <tybollt> GAN900: that'd imply there's anything meego that works... we can't have that, now can we? :)
Nov 29 15:27:55 <Stskeeps> tybollt: you're being excessively negative - could you point to specific reports of things you'd like fixed?
Nov 29 15:30:28 <GAN900> tybollt, indeed.
Nov 29 15:31:06 <GAN900> tybollt, but it'll be better soon--we promise!
Nov 29 15:49:48 <timeless_mbp> so...
Nov 29 15:49:51 <timeless_mbp> about the videos
Nov 29 15:49:57 <timeless_mbp> they're *awesome* for presenters to learn from their mistakes
Nov 29 15:50:01 <timeless_mbp> (fidgeting, etc)
Nov 29 15:50:01 <Stskeeps> yep
Nov 29 15:50:08 <timeless_mbp> but they're totally crap for watching at home
Nov 29 15:50:09 <Stskeeps> i look scared on my keynote one
Nov 29 15:50:09 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 29 15:50:31 <timeless_mbp> yeah, but you were able to interact w/ your co-presenter
Nov 29 15:50:35 <timeless_mbp> that worked
Nov 29 15:50:41 <timeless_mbp> and it helps to see things like that
Nov 29 15:51:03 <timeless_mbp> but... really, this form sucks for actually watching presentations :(
Nov 29 15:51:31 <odin_> both you guys presented well IMHO
Nov 29 15:51:44 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, the thing from the videos which most people have said is the lack of a PIP or bigger view of the presentation screen during
Nov 29 15:52:03 <lcuk> and Stskeeps :) you were awesome in yours
Nov 29 15:52:11 <timeless_mbp> PiP if presenters would be *awesome*
Nov 29 15:52:20 <berndhs> lcuk: just needs more cameras
Nov 29 15:52:22 <timeless_mbp> but yeah, the bottom line is that you need two cameras
Nov 29 15:52:35 <berndhs> view of presenter, view of slides, view of audience
Nov 29 15:52:37 <lcuk> berndhs, sure, its just the observation from watching them
Nov 29 15:52:43 <odin_> PiP of the presentation?  just need a feed from the projectors
Nov 29 15:52:51 <timeless_mbp> view of audience would be helpful for presenters to learn from things
Nov 29 15:52:54 <Jaffa> berndhs: Then they need editing... if you want audience shots.
Nov 29 15:52:56 <timeless_mbp> and they're useful for the large views
Nov 29 15:53:04 <timeless_mbp> but i wouldn't demand it as a small presenter for the other rooms
Nov 29 15:53:10 * timeless_mbp tries not to be too demanding
Nov 29 15:53:19 <Jaffa> Unless you have three videos for each stream and all three embedded & synced in the web page :-)
Nov 29 15:53:24 <lcuk> berndhs, mobile camera are something which would be good, it would be awesome to actually realworld map the interior of the aviva stadium based on photos taken and re build the timeline :)
Nov 29 15:53:35 <lcuk> Jaffa, much harder
Nov 29 15:53:41 <berndhs> Jaffa: well it is a public space, so people shouldn't do embarassing things
Nov 29 15:53:56 <berndhs> but sure, with multiple views they need to be combined
Nov 29 15:54:12 <Jaffa> berndhs: I mean edit in terms of having a single video. Unless you just PiP the audience too. But then they're too small to be useful, probably
Nov 29 15:54:49 <berndhs> Jaffa: true. So this is an opportunity to develop nice tools
Nov 29 15:55:24 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: they're useful to show audience response at times
Nov 29 15:55:28 <timeless_mbp> or attentiveness
Nov 29 15:55:33 <timeless_mbp> both can be seen in small form
Nov 29 15:55:41 <lcuk> certainly for the questions it would be useful
Nov 29 15:55:43 <timeless_mbp> but yeah, you'd typically switch to them at certain points
Nov 29 15:55:52 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: Indeed
Nov 29 15:55:56 <timeless_mbp> questions are different, in general the slide camera should be able to change to a question camera
Nov 29 15:56:01 <timeless_mbp> since you shouldn't need it for slides anymore
Nov 29 15:56:05 <Jaffa> lcuk: Some of the rooms would need a *really* wide angle lens...
Nov 29 15:56:17 <timeless_mbp> please remember that some rooms had *no* cameras
Nov 29 15:56:24 <timeless_mbp> so i'm not going to ask for 20 cameras per room
Nov 29 15:56:34 <timeless_mbp> asking for a second per room seems like a reasonable thing
Nov 29 15:56:59 <timeless_mbp> oh, before people think i'm not grateful, i'd like to note that the widget they gave speakers was great
Nov 29 15:57:07 <timeless_mbp> it had forward, back, and laser pointer
Nov 29 15:57:16 <timeless_mbp> unfortunately i have no idea if laser pointer worked
Nov 29 15:57:25 <lcuk> did anyone lose an eye?
Nov 29 15:57:25 <timeless_mbp> because while i could see the laser, the camera didn't record the slides
Nov 29 15:57:26 <berndhs> there are some nice approaches that combine multiple cameras into selectable views from a combined stream
Nov 29 15:57:34 <timeless_mbp> so i can't see how it looked to the audience
Nov 29 15:57:50 <berndhs> so you could record the multi-stream and pick the view later
Nov 29 15:59:42 <lcuk> sounds like the kind of high bandwidth logistics that meego image creation requires
Nov 29 16:01:14 <berndhs> probably yes
Nov 29 16:02:07 <berndhs> I forget how its done, it is a mathematical transformation of the streamed data
Nov 29 16:02:28 <berndhs> so it is predictable, constant requirements
Nov 29 16:04:29 <lcuk> hm berndhs ? i thought that kind of processing and at stream time selection requires decoding and reencoding, unless the streams are available individually and timesynced for remixing at client side
Nov 29 16:05:29 <berndhs> If I remember this right, the selction was done on the display end, not at the source
Nov 29 16:05:52 <berndhs> so if you record the combined stream, you can select any view you want later
Nov 29 16:06:08 <berndhs> the selected view is not any of the individual camera views
Nov 29 16:06:48 <berndhs> this is stuff from 6 or 7 years ago, i don't know where they went with it
Nov 29 16:06:50 <lcuk> wouldnt that increase bandwidth required to be stream*availableviews ?
Nov 29 16:07:10 <lcuk> or would they just accept its lower bandwidth and hit the LP button on the vhs
Nov 29 16:07:41 <berndhs> well, upper bound for bandwidth would be N times normal for N cameras
Nov 29 16:08:36 <berndhs> I think its smaller than that, but I don't remember
Nov 29 16:18:08 <slaine> Is there an ETA for MeeGo 1.1.1 ?
Nov 29 16:18:28 <Stskeeps> was released already, but noone bothered to tell about it
Nov 29 16:18:28 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 29 16:18:33 <Stskeeps> mostly netbook fixes
Nov 29 16:18:46 <Stskeeps> at least if you mean update1
Nov 29 16:18:47 <slaine> Ah, so those small few fixes that are pending are what is in effect 1.1.1
Nov 29 16:18:56 <slaine> yeah, that's what I meant
Nov 29 16:23:02 <GAN900> We needs Jobsian setups for the Keynote room next conference.
Nov 29 16:30:36 <GAN900> Stskeeps, you need to do more podium banging next time. :P
Nov 29 16:30:52 <Stskeeps> it was fairly unstable podium and there was a wetab laying there
Nov 29 17:01:27 <anttu> how can i mount an ntfs disk to meego?
Nov 29 17:07:09 <dm8tbr> anttu: I guess that will need ntfs3g
Nov 29 17:07:37 <dm8tbr> but the linux kernel used to have a driver for read-only access too
Nov 29 17:10:17 <anttu> ntfs3g is not available with zypper
Nov 29 17:11:05 <anttu> when connecting the disk meego says unknown file system ntfs
Nov 29 17:19:20 <notmart> uhm, mesa-libGL-devel isn't part of core? (at least on arm)
Nov 29 17:19:41 <notmart> i'm getting an error on obs, but here http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/ i see that package uhm.. existing
Nov 29 17:20:30 <Stskeeps> notmart: well, GLESv2 is the only one guaranteed on both
Nov 29 17:20:41 <Stskeeps> but it should exist
Nov 29 17:21:42 <notmart> yeah, glesv2 is found
Nov 29 17:21:52 <notmart> uhm, i'l try to modify configure scripts :)
Nov 29 17:27:17 <anttu> dm8tbr: i downloaded and installed ntfs3g from tuxera.com and it works great on meego
Nov 29 17:27:35 <anttu> also write access is ok
Nov 29 17:30:16 <notmart> ah, is available on the meego obs the build monitor service the opensuse one has? http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/01/27/hot-off-the-opensuse-build-service-press/
Nov 29 17:32:30 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: ok, i'm told my slides are actually up
Nov 29 17:41:26 <timeless_mbp> oh, more camera notes
Nov 29 17:41:37 <timeless_mbp> the cameras were often "far left" ?
Nov 29 17:41:56 <timeless_mbp> and the presenters stood on the left and faced to their left (i.e. away from the camera)
Nov 29 17:42:42 <timeless_mbp> in some cases w/ multiple people, one person ended up in the lighting shadow of the next :(
Nov 29 17:42:47 * timeless_mbp is watching http://conference2010.meego.com/session/state-community
Nov 29 17:53:34 * andre__ wondering whether Wednesday video footage will be available too
Nov 29 17:55:36 <berndhs> timeless_mbp: is the bottleneck the number of cameras, or the number of operators ?
Nov 29 17:55:51 <timeless_mbp> wednesday?
Nov 29 17:56:00 <Stskeeps> andre: i think they posted day two just before thanksgiving, so i would assume soon ..
Nov 29 17:56:00 <timeless_mbp> berndhs: generally both cost money
Nov 29 17:56:14 <andre__> ah, holidays. I see
Nov 29 18:00:24 <rousing> hi
Nov 29 18:13:27 <timeless_mbp> hey
Nov 29 18:13:34 <timeless_mbp> has anyone tried 'scrubbing' through the videos?
Nov 29 18:13:50 <timeless_mbp> the meegoconf player seems to break when i try :(
Nov 29 18:14:59 <pupnik> ffwd/rev works in mplayer
Nov 29 18:16:17 <timeless_mbp> pupnik: eh? does mplayer support meegoconf videos?
Nov 29 18:16:52 <pupnik> timeless_mbp: i've been watching downloaded videos from the conference in mplayer
Nov 29 18:17:19 <timeless_mbp> "how do i do that?"
Nov 29 18:17:36 <pupnik> find the .flv url from the page source, then wget it
Nov 29 18:18:31 <pupnik> thankfully you don't need to run the javascript in your head to reconstruct the url
Nov 29 18:18:46 <Stskeeps> there's a download link on the page
Nov 29 18:19:20 <pupnik> what page are you talking about ?
Nov 29 18:19:30 <Stskeeps> for the conference video(s)
Nov 29 18:20:34 * timeless_mbp wonders how to play flv files on os x
Nov 29 18:21:09 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, :P install a real os
Nov 29 18:21:32 <timeless_mbp> is there a Flash OS?
Nov 29 18:21:38 <mwichmann> speaking of that, does anyone know if the intent was to do ogg videos too?
Nov 29 18:21:45 <mwichmann> the ogg links are audio-only
Nov 29 18:22:31 <tmzt_g2root> timeless_mbp: vlc
Nov 29 18:25:07 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, VLC?
Nov 29 18:25:30 <GAN900> Adobe's also got a standalone play, but I don't remember what it's bundled with.
Nov 29 18:25:32 * timeless_mbp was hoping for something slightly less buggy or more QT (not Qt) friendly
Nov 29 18:25:40 <timeless_mbp> i grabbed http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/video/swfflvplayer.html
Nov 29 18:25:54 <GAN900> QT 10 broke a lot of that stuff.
Nov 29 18:26:03 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, with your transition to qt c++, did you also have to rebuild all the packaging, or was it available direct from qt-creator for maemo?
Nov 29 18:26:30 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk, 1/2 and 1/2
Nov 29 18:27:02 <lcuk> hm NooBmonk3y ?
Nov 29 18:27:55 <Jaffa> lcuk: Qt Creator can currently spit out binary debs. Apparently source tarballs, debian/ patches, dsc files and spec files for autobuilders/OBS are "on their way"
Nov 29 18:28:28 <lcuk> as well they should
Nov 29 18:28:33 <lcuk> thanks jaffa
Nov 29 18:28:40 <NooBmonk3y> but it doesnt seem to do the whole lot yet
Nov 29 18:28:54 <NooBmonk3y> holding out for the next version
Nov 29 18:29:08 <lcuk> no and its going to add more complexity if qt apps have to have differences in packaging for the different uxes
Nov 29 18:29:24 <NooBmonk3y> yeah, but having a menu in qt creator that spits them all out will help ;)
Nov 29 18:29:39 * lcuk trying to use qtcreator on ideapad is somewhat frustrating but rewarding at same time :)
Nov 29 18:30:00 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: have you filed bugs?
Nov 29 18:30:03 <timeless_mbp> (with patches)
Nov 29 18:30:09 * timeless_mbp has started filing bugs on Qt*
Nov 29 18:30:21 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, well the font experience is in progress
Nov 29 18:30:32 <lcuk> but theres some things that bugs wont handle
Nov 29 18:30:40 <townxelliot> NooBmonk3y: recent Qt Creator builds provided by MeeGo SDK can generate and deploy RPMs, providing you set up the right runtime targets (i.e. project is confiugred to use MADDE runtimes/toolchains)
Nov 29 18:30:49 <lcuk> like having to drag/drop elements from the widget panel onto your new ui
Nov 29 18:31:04 <NooBmonk3y> ty townxelliot  ;) - but not packaging for maemo hehe
Nov 29 18:31:09 <lcuk> drag drop is a bad experience
Nov 29 18:31:17 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk, ?
Nov 29 18:31:30 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, in the ui designer
Nov 29 18:31:39 <lcuk> theres a palette with all the widgets you can add
Nov 29 18:31:42 <NooBmonk3y> oh lol
Nov 29 18:31:45 <lcuk> and a window showing your new ui window
Nov 29 18:31:48 <NooBmonk3y> yeah :P
Nov 29 18:31:53 <lcuk> you cant double tap to add a widget
Nov 29 18:32:02 <NooBmonk3y> meh it kinda works, unless you have loads of layouts etc, gets a bit confused at times
Nov 29 18:32:06 <lcuk> it has to be drag/drop and its fiddly and not rewarding
Nov 29 18:32:38 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, trying to understand some issues before filing some bugs
Nov 29 18:32:56 <timeless_mbp> ok, that player *sucked*
Nov 29 18:32:59 <lcuk> to know whether they are bugs or just things which could be tweaked etc
Nov 29 18:33:01 * timeless_mbp wonders about this VLC thing
Nov 29 18:48:33 <timeless_mbp> tmzt_g2root, GAN900 : so... i just installed VLC
Nov 29 18:48:44 <timeless_mbp> it came with an extra folder called "Goodies"
Nov 29 18:48:45 <timeless_mbp> http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/vlc-goodies.png
Nov 29 18:48:49 <tmzt_g2root> jasper-initramfs (0.33) maverick; urgency=low
Nov 29 18:48:50 <tmzt_g2root>   * make sure we use the VOLID from the actually specified root= kernel
Nov 29 18:48:50 <tmzt_g2root>     parameter in case a user modifies the initial boot.scr (LP: #652143)
Nov 29 18:48:50 <tmzt_g2root>  -- Oliver Grawert   Sat, 02 Oct 2010 02:08:13 +0200
Nov 29 18:49:07 <timeless_mbp> tmzt_g2root: urgency=low?
Nov 29 18:49:17 <tmzt_g2root> why does that look like an X application?
Nov 29 18:49:24 <tmzt_g2root> you might want to install the OSX version
Nov 29 18:49:31 <tmzt_g2root> ?
Nov 29 18:49:32 <tmzt_g2root> oops
Nov 29 18:49:49 <tmzt_g2root> no select issue
Nov 29 18:49:50 <timeless_mbp> oh, it really is the OS X version
Nov 29 18:49:54 <timeless_mbp> but they really are idiots
Nov 29 18:50:01 <timeless_mbp> 6/7 files have no extension
Nov 29 18:50:10 <timeless_mbp> which means they look stupid and are unlikely to work well
Nov 29 18:50:35 <ali1234> sounds like a good description of VLC in general
Nov 29 18:50:49 <timeless_mbp> ali1234: well, i had 0.9.8 installed before
Nov 29 18:51:04 <timeless_mbp> which i only remember as "that crashy plugin w/ really crappy code"
Nov 29 18:51:11 <timeless_mbp> (i specifically remember that version number)
Nov 29 18:51:12 <ali1234> mplayer ftw
Nov 29 18:51:18 <tmzt_g2root> I'm talking about the X logo in the top left corner
Nov 29 18:51:56 <tmzt_g2root> you guys have awesome screenshots though
Nov 29 18:54:44 <timeless_mbp> tmzt_g2root: ?
Nov 29 18:54:59 <timeless_mbp> oh, that means "readonly"
Nov 29 18:55:03 <tmzt_g2root> Apple
Nov 29 18:55:06 <tmzt_g2root> hah, ok
Nov 29 18:55:08 <timeless_mbp> it's a pencil with a slash through it
Nov 29 18:55:28 <timeless_mbp> "you can't write here"
Nov 29 18:55:40 <timeless_mbp> which actually makes perfect sense to *humans*
Nov 29 18:55:54 <timeless_mbp> fwiw, VLC can seek
Nov 29 18:56:03 <timeless_mbp> its responsiveness for the initial seek is *awful*
Nov 29 18:56:22 <timeless_mbp> and its full screen behavior leaves proper dual display handling to be desired :(
Nov 29 18:56:29 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, designed for network streams
Nov 29 18:56:37 <GAN900> Seeking is not what it's intended for.
Nov 29 18:56:45 <timeless_mbp> oh, and it helpfully tells me the current time
Nov 29 18:56:49 <timeless_mbp> not time remaining and not total
Nov 29 18:56:56 <timeless_mbp> obviously i don't care about those :)
Nov 29 18:57:09 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, there's a setting for both the multiscreen behavior and the HUD numbers.
Nov 29 18:57:12 <timeless_mbp> n.b. the maemo6 media player initial requirements didn't include anything useful either
Nov 29 18:57:34 <timeless_mbp> (maemo6 won't ship, and hopefully the replacement media player will be less stupid)
Nov 29 18:58:13 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: wow, that actually works!
Nov 29 19:20:12 <fiferboy> Gah, why isn't there a libqtsql4-mysql package for MeeGo?!
Nov 29 20:11:38 * lcuk taps his microphone
Nov 29 20:11:44 * lcuk realises its broken
Nov 29 20:11:49 <lcuk> bug 10532
Nov 29 20:11:52 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10532 nor, Undecided, ---, yan.i.li, NEW, No audio input from microphone on meegoconf netbook
Nov 29 20:12:40 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, do you develop on a netbook or is it just on your big machine
Nov 29 20:13:46 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk, laptop, and pc, but i prefer the pc
Nov 29 20:14:05 <NooBmonk3y> and by big, you mean small form factor old hp lol
Nov 29 20:18:49 <lcuk> i am vanishing anyway, headfunk is making eyes hurt
Nov 29 20:19:50 <NooBmonk3y> lol
Nov 29 20:19:54 * CosmoHill has a headcahe
Nov 29 20:20:15 <GAN900> CosmoHill, take something.
Nov 29 20:23:34 <CosmoHill> I won't
Nov 29 20:24:57 <NooBmonk3y> ok figured out how to sort the qlist widget.... but not the qlistwidgetitem, grrrrrrrrrrrrr
Nov 29 20:48:47 <lcuk> wat?  vgrade ping
Nov 29 20:52:42 <lcuk> http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=14068&postcount=16
Nov 29 20:52:47 <lcuk> that does not sound/look right to me
Nov 29 20:52:52 * lcuk goes again
Nov 29 20:55:15 <Stskeeps> lcuk: well, it just shows we have a image problem
Nov 29 20:56:29 <Stskeeps> lcuk: which is kinda silly, considering i've actually been in touch with most major ARM vendors regarding meego and generally they don't seem to see a problem with intel being involved..
Nov 29 20:56:34 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 29 20:56:49 <lcuk> sure, and that was also the impression I got too
Nov 29 20:57:15 <pupnik> sounds to me like someone who would rather not be the go-to person for that project.  seek another contact perhaps.
Nov 29 20:57:18 <lcuk> with all the activity in the #meego-arm with n900s and beagle and panda boards and whatever else people pop in with :S
Nov 29 20:57:24 <lcuk> pupnik, sure
Nov 29 20:57:40 <lcuk> theres *LOTS* of potential meego people in Cambridge
Nov 29 20:57:59 <lcuk> theres lots of actual ones too
Nov 29 20:59:04 * lcuk is switching this machine off tho for tonight and going curling up in bed with a lemsip
Nov 29 20:59:12 <pupnik> for me a UI revolution would be not having to look at the screen to accomplish many of my tasks
Nov 29 20:59:28 <pupnik> adding items to a shopping list could be a brief spoken conversation with my phone
Nov 29 21:00:08 <pupnik> removing time that's "frozen" in front of a screen
Nov 29 21:19:37 <lbt> vilvo: pong
Nov 29 21:20:17 <lbt> that is certainly where BOSS is intended to work - and how we use it in Nokia
Nov 29 21:34:20 <dsample> lcuk, just saw the messages from an hour ago... yep, Cambs is popular :)
Nov 29 21:43:44 <Myrtti> I'm too frustrated to reply to the Cambs thread
Nov 29 21:43:58 <CosmoHill> ?
Nov 29 21:44:16 <CosmoHill> I should read that since it has my name on it
Nov 29 21:45:03 <Myrtti> yes, yes you should
Nov 29 21:46:13 <Stskeeps> actually, reading the post again doesnt make it sound that bad
Nov 29 21:46:15 <CosmoHill> as long as nobody asks me for directions or anything
Nov 29 21:46:23 <CosmoHill> which post?
Nov 29 21:46:42 <Myrtti> GODDAMMIT SKYPE
Nov 29 21:47:00 <Myrtti> http://developer.skype.com/Docs "helpful"
Nov 29 21:47:10 <Stskeeps> but i suppose there is a lot of us vs them feeling to be broken down..
Nov 29 21:47:44 * auke gently pats Myrtti 
Nov 29 21:48:16 <Stskeeps> lo auke, had a good thanksgiving?
Nov 29 21:48:34 <auke> very
Nov 29 21:51:20 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: how was your thursday?
Nov 29 21:53:43 <Stskeeps> unproductive, had a bit of a slow week last week
Nov 29 22:27:27 <vgrade> re, cambridge meet, the reply I got from Alban was from September (missed his reply in my inbox) but he has been in contact with qgil recently.  I did not read the reply as negative as he did say he would do promote internally (he is the community ARM man).  I said in my reply that ARM was a popular platform with meeGo at the moment with beagle, panda, MSM/QSD, N900 and tegra.  Lets see what comes back.
Nov 29 22:27:28 <CosmoHill> god dammit redhat, everytime I click on "buy online" to see the price it takes me from the european website to the US
Nov 29 22:28:07 <CosmoHill> would now be a bad time to meantion that I've only been to cambridge once and it wasn't the best experience
Nov 29 22:28:45 <vgrade> CosmoHill, Hi, good draw at the weekend
Nov 29 22:28:53 <vgrade> Leeds vs Reading
Nov 29 22:28:56 <CosmoHill> :)
Nov 29 22:29:10 <CosmoHill> I've not seen the video yet, should be on the bbc website soon
Nov 29 22:30:14 <Myrtti> vgrade: I kinda got the idea that he was thinking we were looking for official representation, which wasn't what I personally were expecting at all - just some of their people coming up if they're interested
Nov 29 22:30:25 <Myrtti> the problem at the moment is that nobody seems to give a shite
Nov 29 22:31:22 <vgrade> Things get lost in emails, lets see what the reply is
Nov 29 22:32:16 <vgrade> He has been contacted on a more offical level, maybe at conference, I don't know as I could not make it
Nov 29 22:32:25 <vgrade> see, http://twitter.com/AlbanRampon
Nov 29 22:33:23 <vgrade> nobody gives a *****, what makes you say that?
Nov 29 22:40:49 <Myrtti> vgrade: that there is only a handful of people actually interested in attending anything
Nov 29 22:42:50 <CosmoHill> awesome, the two people I promoted to ops don't like each other >.<
Nov 29 22:47:43 <vgrade> Myrtti, I must take some of the blame here for not getting off my butt and organising a Cambridge local network meet.  I'm hopefull that ARM will host an event and in the meantime I will redouble the effort of finding a suitable venue for a pre Xmas meet.
Nov 29 22:50:51 <vgrade> night al
Nov 29 22:50:54 <vgrade> l
Nov 29 22:51:05 <CosmoHill> bye vgrade
Nov 29 22:51:09 <CosmoHill> sleep well
Nov 29 23:01:55 <slaine> hmmm, that reminds me, must check back if anyone signed up to my dublin ameegos request
Nov 29 23:06:26 * auke flings stuff at people posting surveys to open source mailinglists in general
Nov 29 23:06:51 <CosmoHill> hehe
Nov 29 23:06:57 <auke> I've seen it before
Nov 29 23:07:11 <CosmoHill> I'm not on the mailing list
Nov 29 23:07:35 <auke> it irks me that the entire academic society generally thinks it's okay to intrude into communities and have those communities do their work for them
Nov 29 23:09:42 <CosmoHill> have a video to cheer you up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKB4h9gvmm0
Nov 29 23:28:44 * slaine yawns and stretches
Nov 29 23:28:46 <slaine> time for bed
Nov 29 23:28:49 <CosmoHill> cyas
Nov 29 23:50:12 <sivang> so, I've given meego netbook ux a try over the last weeks since Dublin, but given right click is disabled and the screen takeover nature of apps
Nov 29 23:50:21 <sivang> I cannot really find it usable for everyday life,
Nov 29 23:50:24 <sivang> and I tried
Nov 29 23:50:50 <sivang> I mean, what\s the use of having a netbook if the UX is more closely to that of a handset?
Nov 29 23:52:08 <sivang> I wonder if I'm not using it right.
Nov 29 23:52:34 <sivang> oh anyway, time to do some reading
Nov 30 00:02:59 <JunJi> hi
Nov 30 00:03:37 * CosmoHill jumps on JunJi 
Nov 30 00:03:38 <CosmoHill> hello
Nov 30 00:03:44 <JunJi> do we have Stskeeps now?
Nov 30 00:04:18 <CosmoHill> maybe, can I have some context?
Nov 30 00:05:43 <JunJi> I'm getting an error 'Failed to reach a server: [ Errno 111] connectoin refused' at the step6 of his OBS manual which is using the command '/usr/sbin/import-meego-release.sh...'
Nov 30 00:08:03 <JunJi> do I need to modify 'localhost' in the script to my real IP?
Nov 30 00:09:35 <lcuk> JunJi, wheres the instructions you are following?
Nov 30 00:09:48 <JunJi> http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS
Nov 30 00:10:12 <JunJi> I'm at the Step 6
Nov 30 00:10:55 <JunJi> I guess I got a meego release through this command but something wrong at the end
Nov 30 00:13:14 <lcuk> JunJi, the command line you ran and complete error message and progress it did do is important, could you pastebin them :)
Nov 30 00:14:04 <JunJi> V-box isn't supporting cut-paste :( I'm gonna type in my hand
Nov 30 00:14:17 <JunJi> I ran /usr/sbin/import-meego-release.sh 1.0.99.0.20101005.1 rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/builds/1.0.99/ obs-project-config/Trunk
Nov 30 00:14:28 <JunJi> and the error messages I got are
Nov 30 00:15:10 <JunJi> Sending meta data... WARNING: SSL certificate checks disabled. Connectoin is insecure! Failed to reach a server: [Errno 111] Connection refused
Nov 30 00:15:25 <JunJi> twice of this error message..
Nov 30 00:15:29 <CosmoHill>  5
Nov 30 00:20:49 <lcuk> hm CosmoHill do you know if rsync uses ssl?
Nov 30 00:21:11 <CosmoHill> erm, I use rsync over ssh all the time
Nov 30 00:21:34 <CosmoHill> I'd imagine you could use it over https so yes, it should be capable of using ssl
Nov 30 00:21:47 <lcuk> the document includes a note "You'd then need to (please note the http to rsync change)"
Nov 30 00:21:55 <lcuk> there is no https on that server
Nov 30 00:22:01 <lcuk> that I could see anyway
Nov 30 00:22:39 <JunJi> hmm?
Nov 30 00:22:53 <JunJi> is it an easy thing to fix?
Nov 30 00:22:58 <CosmoHill> could it be a bad configuration
Nov 30 00:23:10 <CosmoHill> like rsync it trying to use https instead of http?
Nov 30 00:23:20 <JunJi> a bad configuratoin from a file?
Nov 30 00:23:26 <JunJi> that I can modify?
Nov 30 00:24:18 <CosmoHill> I could just be making stuff up again
Nov 30 00:24:53 <JunJi> oh you wrote a part of this manual
Nov 30 00:25:45 <CosmoHill> no no
Nov 30 00:26:14 <JunJi> so my questoin is acutally I spent 7~8 hours yesterday to get the step6 (mostly spent to download a meego release..), do I need to do it again with the new configuration?
Nov 30 00:27:47 <CosmoHill> what step did you get the issue? step 6?
Nov 30 00:28:33 <lcuk> JunJi, it may have to wait until tomorrow as I believe most of the people who have run through that script will be dozing
Nov 30 00:28:58 <lcuk> johnx, ping, did you by chance get this far (I notice you have edited it) and have any idea why hes stuck?
Nov 30 00:29:30 <CosmoHill> JunJi: what version of rsync do you have?
Nov 30 00:29:33 <JunJi> ;;
Nov 30 00:30:29 <JunJi> how can I check it? actually the obs-server.i686-XXXXXX-vmx.tar.bz2 of the current server has broken so I got an old version from my co-worker
Nov 30 00:30:41 <JunJi> maybe this image version is 1.1
Nov 30 00:30:47 <CosmoHill> you should be able to just type "rysnc --version"
Nov 30 00:31:20 <JunJi> it's 3.0.7, protocol versoin 30
Nov 30 00:32:25 <CosmoHill> what time zone are you in?
Nov 30 00:35:56 <cnsmin> hi
Nov 30 00:36:01 <CosmoHill> hi
Nov 30 00:36:17 <CosmoHill> JunJi: I'd say come back between 10am and 10pm CET
Nov 30 00:36:27 <JunJi> CET
Nov 30 00:36:32 <JunJi> I'm in Asia
Nov 30 00:36:37 <JunJi> so it's 9am
Nov 30 00:36:41 <CosmoHill> Central European Time
Nov 30 00:36:46 <JunJi> aha
Nov 30 00:36:59 <cnsmin> I want to gain meego account.
Nov 30 00:37:10 <CosmoHill> it's between 00:30 and 02:30 for most of us
Nov 30 00:37:24 <CosmoHill> cnsmin: on the website or obs?
Nov 30 00:37:29 <JunJi> right i just googled it
Nov 30 00:37:38 <JunJi> obs, me also need it
Nov 30 00:37:50 <JunJi> and tried to talk to x-fade but no response
Nov 30 00:38:00 <CosmoHill> ask lbt_away very very nicely
Nov 30 00:38:31 <JunJi> what does the '_away' mean? lol
Nov 30 00:38:35 <kismeter> lbt_away maybe still have a break
Nov 30 00:38:45 <JunJi> I agree
Nov 30 00:38:54 <JunJi> away from everthing
Nov 30 00:39:11 <CosmoHill> he means he might break your arm off for waking him
Nov 30 00:39:16 <CosmoHill> *it
Nov 30 00:39:33 <JunJi> nice joke
Nov 30 00:39:42 <CosmoHill> speaking of sleep
Nov 30 00:39:43 <CosmoHill> cyas
Nov 30 00:39:46 <JunJi> usually I'm not touching anybody sleeping
Nov 30 00:40:29 <CosmoHill> "usually"?
Nov 30 00:40:38 <JunJi> ok, definitely
Nov 30 00:40:41 <JunJi> lol
Nov 30 00:40:42 <JunJi> never
Nov 30 00:40:46 <CosmoHill> heh
Nov 30 00:40:47 <CosmoHill> bye
Nov 30 00:40:54 <lcuk> gnite CosmoHill \o
Nov 30 00:41:00 <JunJi> gnight
Nov 30 00:41:28 <JunJi> hmm........
Nov 30 00:41:34 <cnsmin> talk to lbt for gain obs account.. right?
Nov 30 00:41:54 <JunJi> lcuk: could you give me any hint for my problem?
Nov 30 00:42:05 <JunJi> is It about the script?
Nov 30 00:42:15 <lcuk> no JunJi, myself and cosmo have done all we can do for this evening.
Nov 30 00:42:30 <JunJi> ok
Nov 30 01:21:31 <Termana> morning
Nov 30 01:21:38 <JunJi> morning
Nov 30 01:23:27 <hlzxy> morning
Nov 30 01:23:32 <JunJi> morning
Nov 30 01:29:56 <JunJi> anybody tried Stskeeps' OBS manual?
Nov 30 01:37:10 <cnsmin> junji: i tried.
Nov 30 01:37:49 <JunJi> did you get done?
Nov 30 01:40:10 <cnsmin> no. I'm importing meego release rpms.. and adding home project..
Nov 30 01:40:20 <cnsmin> but build fail.
Nov 30 01:40:27 <JunJi> build failed..
Nov 30 01:40:28 <JunJi> hmm
Nov 30 01:40:35 <JunJi> which step are you at?
Nov 30 01:40:55 <JunJi> what do you mean by adding home project?
Nov 30 01:41:01 <cnsmin> step 9?
Nov 30 01:41:34 <JunJi> I'm stuck at 6, it's saying 'Failed to reach a server:[Errno 111] Connectoin refused'..
Nov 30 01:41:34 <cnsmin> add home project to my OBS.
Nov 30 01:41:44 <JunJi> have you ever seen it
Nov 30 01:41:48 <JunJi> ?
Nov 30 01:42:08 <cnsmin> you can ping to google in OBS?
Nov 30 01:42:15 <JunJi> yes it's possible
Nov 30 01:42:26 <JunJi> but http://my address is not working
Nov 30 01:42:57 <JunJi> I'm using this kernel through virtual box on windows
Nov 30 01:43:32 <cnsmin> i think ..
Nov 30 01:43:44 <cnsmin> you retry step 3
Nov 30 01:44:00 <JunJi> actually it also says 'WARNING: SSL certificate checks disabled. Connectoin is insecure!'
Nov 30 01:44:28 <JunJi> step3 is what I just did again ;;
Nov 30 01:45:31 <cnsmin> do you have a FQDN?
Nov 30 01:45:36 <JunJi> sending meta data.. WRNING: SSL certificate checks disabled. Connection is insecure! Failed to reach a server: [Errno 111
Nov 30 01:45:38 <JunJi>  Connection refused
Nov 30 01:45:45 <cnsmin> domain name?
Nov 30 01:45:46 <JunJi> no actually i'm not sure
Nov 30 01:45:50 <JunJi> how can I see that?
Nov 30 01:46:16 <JunJi> I typed echo 'FQHOSTNAME="fqdn"' >> /etc/sysconfig/obs-server
Nov 30 01:46:30 <cnsmin> that is wrong.
Nov 30 01:46:41 <JunJi> !!
Nov 30 01:46:50 <JunJi> how?
Nov 30 01:46:57 <cnsmin> you just type FQHOSTNAME=[your VM IP address]
Nov 30 01:47:07 <JunJi> wow........
Nov 30 01:47:14 <JunJi> thanks a lot I'm gonna try this right now
Nov 30 01:47:31 <cnsmin> ok..
Nov 30 01:48:23 <JunJi> do i need a reboot?
Nov 30 01:48:33 <JunJi> still I can't access http://my_IP_addess
Nov 30 01:49:21 <JunJi> do I type just ip without " " ?
Nov 30 01:49:54 <cnsmin> no. with ""
Nov 30 01:50:54 <JunJi> that's what I did T_T
Nov 30 01:53:41 <JunJi> now I'm not getting an error message about dns at the very first screen when I log in to kernel
Nov 30 01:54:24 <JunJi> but it's saying 'welcome to opensuse build service.. connect to the web interface via: ... ' but this address isn't accessiable too
Nov 30 01:55:18 <cnsmin> ping to OBS in windows..
Nov 30 01:56:48 <JunJi> well, it's responding
Nov 30 01:58:21 <cnsmin> edit /usr/lib/obs/server/BSConfig.pm
Nov 30 01:58:37 <cnsmin> my$hostname = 'IP ADDRESS';
Nov 30 01:59:47 <cnsmin> chown -R lighttpd.lighttpd /srv/www/obs/{api, webui}
Nov 30 02:01:13 <cnsmin> then check lighttpd ..
Nov 30 02:01:18 <cnsmin> and reboot.
Nov 30 02:01:19 <JunJi> chwon: cannot access '/srv/www/obs{api,' : no such files or directory
Nov 30 02:01:24 <cnsmin> nono
Nov 30 02:01:33 <cnsmin> and
Nov 30 02:01:35 <JunJi> without the last one?
Nov 30 02:01:44 <cnsmin> "/srv/www/obs/api"
Nov 30 02:01:48 <JunJi> ok
Nov 30 02:01:58 <cnsmin> and "/srv/www/obs/webui"
Nov 30 02:03:02 <JunJi> when i typped 'lighttpd', server.c.581 No configuratoin available. Try using -f option.
Nov 30 02:03:41 <cnsmin> chkconfig -a lighttpd
Nov 30 02:03:57 <JunJi> chown -R lighttpd.lightpd /srv/www/obs/api
Nov 30 02:04:00 <JunJi> chown -R lighttpd.lightpd /srv/www/obs/webui
Nov 30 02:04:06 <JunJi> chkcojnifg -a lighttpd
Nov 30 02:04:19 <JunJi> lighttpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:off 5:on 6:off
Nov 30 02:04:24 <JunJi> it's the answer
Nov 30 02:04:34 <JunJi> looking fine?
Nov 30 02:04:39 <cnsmin> chown -R lighttpd.lighttpd /srv/www/obs/api
Nov 30 02:04:49 <cnsmin> chown -R lighttpd.lighttpd /srv/www/obs/webui
Nov 30 02:05:04 <JunJi> yes, those are what I did :)
Nov 30 02:05:14 <JunJi> oops..
Nov 30 02:05:17 <JunJi> I dropped t
Nov 30 02:05:36 <JunJi> but actually I typped correct things in console
Nov 30 02:05:53 <cnsmin> ok.
Nov 30 02:05:58 <JunJi> do I reboot?
Nov 30 02:05:59 <cnsmin> reboot.
Nov 30 02:07:00 <JunJi> something is added at the login
Nov 30 02:10:35 <JunJi> oops.. the api part looks working
Nov 30 02:10:46 <JunJi> but webui is making a bunch of error messages..
Nov 30 02:12:21 <JunJi> erubis 2.6.6
Nov 30 02:12:40 <JunJi> mysql:eeor:unkown dayabse
Nov 30 02:12:57 <JunJi> once I log in with root
Nov 30 02:13:03 <JunJi> these are showing up
Nov 30 02:13:13 <cnsmin> i don't know about mysql error..
Nov 30 02:13:17 <JunJi> ** erubis 2.6.6 /srv/www/obs/webui/lib/custom_logger.rb
Nov 30 02:14:15 <JunJi> anyway thanks a lot, really appreciate it cnsmin.
Nov 30 02:14:33 <JunJi> how did you know these things? these are not written in the manual..
Nov 30 02:15:14 <cnsmin> you just chek this wiki.. http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS_setup_openSUSE112
Nov 30 02:15:47 <JunJi> aha..
Nov 30 02:15:56 <JunJi> I'm gonna try this.. appreciate it again.
Nov 30 02:19:20 <cnsmin> anybody knows how to get OBS account?
Nov 30 02:20:17 <JunJi> I heared that there are two kinds of OBS and common user only can use one that for only application level
Nov 30 02:20:27 <JunJi> x-fade, lbt are in charge of the account work
Nov 30 02:21:55 <cnsmin> oh.. ok.
Nov 30 02:22:01 <berndhs> cnsmin: yes the idea is to ask lbt or x-fade reasonably politely
Nov 30 02:22:15 <berndhs> during hours when normal people in their time zone are away :)
Nov 30 02:22:28 <berndhs> s/away/awake/
Nov 30 02:22:29 <infobot> berndhs meant: during hours when normal people in their time zone are awake :)
Nov 30 02:43:57 <hlzxy> anybody know how to build rpm without obs on http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/,  everytime it show 'nothing provides'
Nov 30 02:49:48 <niala> rpmbuild ?
Nov 30 02:49:58 <hlzxy> build
Nov 30 02:51:00 <hlzxy> command like: build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/repos/armv7l/packages/ --arch armv7l  meego-handset-people-0.2.30-2.1.src.rpm
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