**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 30 02:59:57 2010
Nov 30 03:13:00 <kismeter> when I build MeeGo package on my own obs, 2 workers are busy working, 1k+ packages blocked. does any body meet this problem
Nov 30 03:17:23 <kismeter> Stskeeps: did you meet this problem? -->when I build MeeGo package on my own obs, 2 workers are busy working, 1k+ packages blocked
Nov 30 03:18:18 <JunJi> Hi kimeter, did you install your own OBS by Stskeeps' manual?
Nov 30 03:19:07 <kismeter> JunJi:no
Nov 30 03:19:23 <JunJi> then, did you do yourself?
Nov 30 03:19:56 <JunJi> Can I get any advice on it?
Nov 30 03:20:15 <kismeter> JunJi:FYI http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service
Nov 30 03:22:00 <JunJi> hmm.. I'm not sure what I should change to make it for MeeGo, instead of the Maemo
Nov 30 03:22:36 <johnx> lcuk pinged me earlier, but I never quite got OBS working perfectly either ...
Nov 30 03:26:59 <hlzxy> anybody know how to build rpm without obs on http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/,  everytime it show 'nothing provides'
Nov 30 03:27:06 <hlzxy> command like: build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/repos/armv7l/packages/ --arch armv7l  meego-handset-people-0.2.30-2.1.src.rpm
Nov 30 04:17:46 <Jay_BEE> howdy
Nov 30 04:54:38 <hlzxy> anybody know how to build rpm without obs on http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/,  everytime it show 'nothing provides'
Nov 30 04:54:44 <hlzxy> command like: build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/repos/armv7l/packages/ --arch armv7l  meego-handset-people-0.2.30-2.1.src.rpm
Nov 30 04:59:23 <cnsmin> I'm import MeeGo project from mirrors.kernel.org on my own OBS. And this project build status is "broken". anybody know about this problem?
Nov 30 05:02:23 <bubble> I am trying to install an automated testing system on meego. I installed LDTP and Dogtail but both failed to work properly, while LDTPv1 crashes on opening ldtpeditor , LDTPv2 doesn't have ldtpeditor and Dogtail recorder fails to  record anything. Is there a tool present for automated testing of meego. I recently heard about TADEK but dont know much about it.
Nov 30 05:10:34 <JunJi> hmmm
Nov 30 05:29:52 <timoph> bubble: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/OTS
Nov 30 05:54:40 <hlzxy> how to solve the problem : 'rpm verify failed'
Nov 30 06:29:53 <hlzxy> what should i do  if meet 'rpm verify failed'
Nov 30 06:49:01 <hlzxy> <hlzxy> what should i do  if  meet problem:'rpm verify failed
Nov 30 07:06:23 <hlzxy> <hlzxy> what  i should do  if meet the problem: 'rpm verify failed'
Nov 30 07:07:16 <Stskeeps> add --nogpgcheck, check build --help
Nov 30 07:09:17 <hlzxy> Stskeeps:sorry, what'mean?
Nov 30 07:10:04 <Stskeeps> hlzxy: add --no-verify
Nov 30 07:10:15 <Jun> hallo
Nov 30 07:11:52 <Jun> I wanna use the latest vmx file on the server; http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools:/Unstable/images/obs-server.i686-2.1.66-Build2.2-vmx.tar.bz2 but I'm still having a problem to extract it
Nov 30 07:12:17 <Stskeeps> there seems to be a problem with that file yes
Nov 30 07:12:28 <dm8tbr> actually looks like it has changed
Nov 30 07:12:36 <Jun> ;(
Nov 30 07:12:51 <Stskeeps> try from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools:/2.0/images/ maybe?
Nov 30 07:13:26 <dm8tbr> timestamp says 30th, that's today
Nov 30 07:13:27 <Jun> ok thanks
Nov 30 07:13:46 <dm8tbr> and it's build2.2 and no longer 1.7
Nov 30 07:14:51 <hlzxy> Stskeeps:add it after build command?  it show the same error.
Nov 30 07:15:15 <Stskeeps> hlzxy: in start of
Nov 30 07:17:34 <hlzxy> Stskeeps:build --no-verify --repository.......?  it seems no change
Nov 30 07:18:34 <Stskeeps> hlzxy: don't know, check out build --help a bit and see if you can find anything
Nov 30 07:18:58 <hlzxy> Stskeeps:em
Nov 30 07:20:40 <tyson_> Stskeeps:  teacher...online? waiting for you....
Nov 30 07:20:59 <Stskeeps> tyson_: well, probably easier to ask me questions instead
Nov 30 07:23:45 <tyson_> Stskeeps:  yeah...i can not build ubi image..  for this option "--format=ubi". last time i use "--format=raw"...
Nov 30 07:24:20 <Stskeeps> tyson_: the n900 image doesn't fit in ubi, you'll have to use raw
Nov 30 07:25:39 <tyson_> Stskeeps: but i see this : "including live CD images, live USB images, raw images for KVM, VMDK images for Vmware, vdi images for VirtualBox, loop images for IVI platforms, NAND images for Moorestown platforms, ubi images for N900, fs image for MeeGo developers."
Nov 30 07:26:07 <tyson_> Stskeeps: so i want to bulid ubi image...
Nov 30 07:26:16 <Stskeeps> tyson_: yes, but that text is old :P you can generaqte ubi images but the OS doesn't fit anymre to 256m
Nov 30 07:27:48 <tyson_> Stskeeps: could you see this website: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/870817        ?
Nov 30 07:28:00 <tyson_> Stskeeps: my whole log...
Nov 30 07:29:58 <tyson_> Stskeeps: the 620th line...i think it isvery improtant..
Nov 30 07:30:11 <tyson_> Stskeeps: the 620th line...i think it is very improtant..
Nov 30 07:30:26 <Stskeeps> yes, you're running out of space as i told you :)
Nov 30 07:30:33 <Stskeeps> don't bother with ubifs for n900 handset images
Nov 30 07:34:15 <dm8tbr> Jun: so you got the tarball unpacked but the vmdk didn't work with virtualbox?
Nov 30 07:34:37 <Jun> true..
Nov 30 07:34:46 <Jun> can't believe
Nov 30 07:34:52 <dm8tbr> Jun: just use the raw image and qemu-img to convert it to vdi
Nov 30 07:35:37 <hlzxy> seems I have no idea
Nov 30 07:38:19 <tyson_> Stskeeps:" max_leb_cnt too low", I want to change it. but i can not see this command "mkfs.ubifs". ah, OK, let's finish it. and i will write the wikipeada as soon as possible.
Nov 30 07:38:51 <Stskeeps> tyson_: how big is your NAND?
Nov 30 07:38:56 <Jun> dm8tbr: my co-worker just made it working with tar ver.1.22
Nov 30 07:39:09 <Jun> I was using with the latest tar 1.3.x
Nov 30 07:39:26 <Jun> no..
Nov 30 07:39:29 <Jun> not true -_-;
Nov 30 07:39:30 <Jun> sorry
Nov 30 07:39:34 <Jun> mine is also 1.22
Nov 30 07:39:43 <Jun> latest :( weired..
Nov 30 07:39:54 <Jun> just please don't mind
Nov 30 07:40:45 <hlzxy> Stskeeps: I change the 'lua' to 'liblua' in meego1.0.conf  to  build meego1.1,but after that the problem  appeared
Nov 30 07:42:19 <dm8tbr> Jun: I don't see 1.22 in the unstable directory
Nov 30 07:42:38 <tyson_> Stskeeps: i don't know..N900 default configure...buy it and never change its configure.
Nov 30 07:42:46 <Jun> I meant tar 1.22
Nov 30 07:42:51 <Jun> not the vmx
Nov 30 07:43:02 <Stskeeps> tyson_: ok, then you shouldn't change the ubifs parameters,the resulting image is too big for nokia n900
Nov 30 07:43:06 <tyson_> Stskeeps: i search it by net... wait a moment..
Nov 30 07:43:07 <Stskeeps> tyson_: use microsd deployment
Nov 30 07:43:08 <dm8tbr> oh, ok
Nov 30 07:47:40 <hlzxy> Stskeeps:other, it works  on fedora,    not works on ubuntu10.04
Nov 30 07:48:09 <Stskeeps> hlzxy: ok, well, do it on fedora then
Nov 30 07:48:23 <tyson_> Stskeeps: what's the mean?..i don't understand.. you mean i should use raw image, not ubi image?
Nov 30 07:48:39 <Stskeeps> tyson_: yes, NAND is a too small target
Nov 30 07:50:31 <hlzxy> doing, and I want to find the reason  to make it also can work  on ubuntu
Nov 30 07:51:06 <thiago_home> put the boot fs on the NAND and the swap
Nov 30 07:51:17 <thiago_home> the rest in the internal SD or eMMC
Nov 30 07:51:43 <kyb3R-fin> Myrtti: ping
Nov 30 07:51:47 <Stskeeps> thiago_home: definition of boot fs?
Nov 30 07:51:57 <thiago_home> /boot
Nov 30 07:52:19 <thiago_home> where the kernel and initrd images are
Nov 30 07:53:30 <Stskeeps> ah, - generally meego doesn't operate with a initrd
Nov 30 07:53:39 <Stskeeps> but we do have kernel there to some extent
Nov 30 07:53:47 <Macer> omg nitdroid is awesome
Nov 30 07:53:50 <Macer> :)
Nov 30 07:55:21 <Stskeeps> Macer: this is #meego, nitdroid isn't marginally attached to here :P try #maemo instead as that's more just-device centric
Nov 30 07:56:10 <tyson_> Stskeeps: but i just want to generate the image. have not install it to N900... if i just want to generate the ubi image.  what should i do?
Nov 30 07:57:02 <Stskeeps> tyson_: well, i'm telling you the problem: too much data is being installed, it does not fit in the limits of 256m compressed data
Nov 30 07:57:14 <Stskeeps> tyson_: n900 images hasn't fit there for a good while
Nov 30 07:58:39 <Macer> heh
Nov 30 07:59:50 <Jun> hmm.. I'm trying the OBS manual again with the latest vmx 2.1.66 but 'zypper install qemu-svn git' is getting the following error; Download (curl) error for 'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:11.3/standard/repodata/repomd.xml': Error code: Unrecognized error Error message: Failure when receiving data from the peer
Nov 30 08:00:11 <Jun> asking me Abort, retry, ignore?
Nov 30 08:00:47 <Stskeeps> Jun: able to access normal network?
Nov 30 08:00:56 <thiago_home> the file has moved. Maybe you have to update the URL?
Nov 30 08:01:09 <tyson_> Stskeeps: i got it..assume it can do. how to install the ubi image to n900? use flasher3.5 tool?
Nov 30 08:01:12 <Jun> like ping command? yes it's working
Nov 30 08:02:43 <dm8tbr> does name resolution work?
Nov 30 08:03:00 <Jun> yes, ping www.google.com is working
Nov 30 08:04:36 <Macer> sts... how is the hw coming along for meego?
Nov 30 08:05:11 <thiago_home> what HW>
Nov 30 08:05:15 <Stskeeps> Macer: quite decently, we have people working actively on camera side and our first policy is working (ie, plug in headset -> route audio ther), etc
Nov 30 08:05:23 <thiago_home> or do you mean the HW adaptation?
Nov 30 08:13:17 <Jun> even just at the step3, can I really see the web interface by http://IP?? I can't now :(
Nov 30 08:13:44 <Stskeeps> Jun: ifconfig shows right ip?
Nov 30 08:13:52 <Jun> yep
Nov 30 08:14:00 <Stskeeps> check the logs
Nov 30 08:14:04 <hlzxy> when I use command:'rpm --import repomd.xml.key', it  show 'error: repomd.xml.key: import failed'  ,does rpm import  work only first time?
Nov 30 08:14:11 <Jun> where is the log files?
Nov 30 08:14:18 <Stskeeps>  /obs somewhere
Nov 30 08:14:40 <Stskeeps> ok, time for me to do some work
Nov 30 08:15:47 <Fansy> Could anybody give me some suggestions about how to access the source code of Meego middleware services, something like multimedia. I have no ideas how to start reading the **** source code.
Nov 30 08:16:18 <Stskeeps> Fansy: most authorative is the srpms
Nov 30 08:16:37 <Jun> is there somebody else
Nov 30 08:16:46 <Jun> who tried the OBS manual
Nov 30 08:17:02 <Stskeeps> Jun: spend some time poking around and then ask additional questions :) that's what we did too
Nov 30 08:17:06 <Stskeeps> we don't know all the answers
Nov 30 08:19:16 <Fansy> Stskeeps: I don't know how to start. Another period of hard trial.
Nov 30 08:19:52 <thiago_home> Fansy: multimedia is alsa + pulseaudio + gstreamer + qt multimediakit
Nov 30 08:20:05 <blitztide> can you install virtualbox on the meego os for netbooks so you can use a minimalistic OS thn run windows in a virtual environment for other tasks like CAD?
Nov 30 08:20:24 <blitztide> i'm not sure how the applications work on the OS
Nov 30 08:20:26 <thiago_home> why would you run CAD on a netbook? :-)
Nov 30 08:20:28 <blitztide> is there a terminal?
Nov 30 08:20:44 <thiago_home> yes
Nov 30 08:20:54 <blitztide> noo i want to install the meego netbook OS on my pc as i don't want to do work all the time and it makes it look easier XD
Nov 30 08:21:00 <slaine> Applications->System->Terminal
Nov 30 08:21:19 <blitztide> can you install virtual box?
Nov 30 08:21:26 <blitztide> and what is meego based on
Nov 30 08:21:31 <thiago_home> meego
Nov 30 08:21:32 <blitztide> does it have apt?
Nov 30 08:21:34 <thiago_home> no
Nov 30 08:21:45 <blitztide> hmm okay
Nov 30 08:21:51 <slaine> blitztide: there's no virtualbox packages in the repository
Nov 30 08:21:59 <slaine> atm, it's geared towards netbooks
Nov 30 08:22:02 <Stskeeps> Fansy: /obs/log
Nov 30 08:22:03 <blitztide> ahh allright thanks
Nov 30 08:22:06 <slaine> http://help.meego.com/
Nov 30 08:22:07 <Stskeeps> Fansy: look at that dir
Nov 30 08:22:12 <slaine> for an overview
Nov 30 08:22:19 <blitztide> any ideas on what OS i would need for what i'm trying to achieve?
Nov 30 08:22:28 <slaine> Windows
Nov 30 08:22:41 <Fansy> thiago_home: Thanks. I know a little about alsa and gstreamer, came from android project. Any other advices?
Nov 30 08:22:44 <blitztide> haha yeahh i'm trying for something more minimalistic though :/
Nov 30 08:23:01 <thiago_home> Fansy: yes, "it's hard" :-)
Nov 30 08:23:13 <blitztide> oh well thanks anyway guys
Nov 30 08:23:35 <Stskeeps> Fansy: wiki.meego.com/MPG might be good in the future
Nov 30 08:24:41 <Fansy> Stskeeps: hope so
Nov 30 08:30:50 <sandst1> Fansy: srpms in http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk/standard/src/, you can extract the package contents with 'rpm2cpio <xyz.rpm> | cpio -idmv'
Nov 30 08:30:52 <kismeter> Stskeeps: I build meego packages on my own obs, but 1k+ packages blocked. did you meet this problem
Nov 30 08:31:13 <Stskeeps> kismeter: did you import all packages? if so, 1k+ packages blocked is a healthy sign
Nov 30 08:31:27 <Stskeeps> sandst1: probably better to use repo.meego.com
Nov 30 08:31:35 <kismeter> Stskeeps: yes I import all packages
Nov 30 08:32:00 <Stskeeps> kismeter: as long as so of them are building
Nov 30 08:32:15 <sandst1> Stskeeps: ah, true
Nov 30 08:32:25 <sandst1> Fansy: so use http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/source/ instead
Nov 30 08:32:41 <kismeter> Stskeeps: some packages build many times, is that normal?
Nov 30 08:34:07 <Stskeeps> yes
Nov 30 08:34:12 <Fansy> sandst1: yeah,  I see. thanks
Nov 30 08:34:19 <kismeter> Stskeeps:thanks
Nov 30 08:35:07 <Fansy> sandst1: Should I extract all 1124 packages ^_^
Nov 30 08:35:52 <Stskeeps> Fansy: if you want to look at all of them
Nov 30 08:35:58 <sandst1> Fansy: ^^ you mentioned gstreamer, so grab that and e.g. the gst-plugins -packages
Nov 30 08:36:17 <sandst1> Fansy: taking a look at the tutorials in gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation is also quite useful
Nov 30 08:37:10 <Fansy> sandst1: Okay, thanks.
Nov 30 08:37:53 <kismeter> does meego use wayland with x-server?
Nov 30 08:38:04 <Stskeeps> kismeter: no, but people are looking at wayland
Nov 30 08:40:27 <dm8tbr> whoa, opensuse is pushing builds faster to the obs unstable directory than I can reload pages ;)
Nov 30 08:40:37 <dm8tbr> build is now at 2.3
Nov 30 08:43:36 <csj> Hi, if I have one package which has many version rpms in my repo pool, why 'build' can not choose the latest one to use?
Nov 30 08:45:08 <Stskeeps> csj: may be a bug in build then
Nov 30 08:45:49 <csj> Stskeeps, oops, I have the same answer in mailing list, and the script is written in perl :(
Nov 30 08:45:57 <csj> know none about perl :(
Nov 30 08:49:30 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 30 08:53:55 <copyleft> csj: It's likely a bug in "build --repository", but osc build pre-prase BuildRequires and generated a correct rpmlist for build :p
Nov 30 08:54:08 <copyleft> csj: obs won't have this bug.
Nov 30 08:55:02 <csj> copyleft, ok, thanks :)
Nov 30 08:57:01 <copyleft> csj: you gotta send a patch to opensuse build service. hehe
Nov 30 09:00:23 <Jun> ok, I figured out some facts. In the Virtual Box, I can get an external files through 'wget' with NAT network adapter but if I use Bridged Adapter to get a real IP, wget isn't working. Could I stay with a real IP which is accessible from outside and also is able to get outside?
Nov 30 09:01:59 <timeless_mbp> Jun: how Bridged works depends on how your physical network works
Nov 30 09:02:10 <Jun> hmm..
Nov 30 09:02:32 <Jun> but my Ubuntu with the bridged adapter is working correctly..
Nov 30 09:02:54 <Jun> I will try more
Nov 30 09:02:55 <Jun> thanks
Nov 30 09:03:16 <timeless_mbp> you can try using ping first :)
Nov 30 09:03:24 <timeless_mbp> to see how much of your stack is there
Nov 30 09:03:34 <timeless_mbp> wget might be trying to honor a proxy or something similarly funny
Nov 30 09:31:52 <zzaross> rangerkarl??
Nov 30 09:33:02 <Myrtti> right
Nov 30 10:01:35 <RST38h> and moo here too
Nov 30 10:09:04 <hlzxy> anybody meet the problem 'rpm verify failed'  when use 'build'
Nov 30 10:09:37 <csj> hlzxy, maybe you should import gpg key
Nov 30 10:10:22 <csj> rpm --import http://xxxxxxxx/repomd.xml.key
Nov 30 10:11:11 <hlzxy> csj:em, yes,I use command:'rpm --import repomd.xml.key', it  show 'error: repomd.xml.key: import failed'   ,
Nov 30 10:11:18 <kedz> hlzxy, or if you using zypper then zypper can do it for you automatically for all repositories: zypper --gpg-auto-import-keys refresh
Nov 30 10:12:18 <csj> hlzxy, I fixed the issue by doing that and I successfully imported it, don't know why you get error :(
Nov 30 10:13:03 <hlzxy> csj:I think  I have done it , and it may be done first time, and you  use it again?
Nov 30 10:13:33 <hlzxy> kedz: I am on ubuntu10.04,and I don't know how to that
Nov 30 10:13:36 <csj> hlzxy, no, I did once, then build runs ok
Nov 30 10:14:18 <hlzxy> csj: you sue which package? I want to build a meeg1.1 rpm
Nov 30 10:14:27 <hlzxy> csj: you use which package? I want to build a meeg1.1 rpm
Nov 30 10:15:12 <hlzxy> csj: ' rpm --import ',  I could  not use it  second time, all show falied
Nov 30 10:15:51 <csj> hlzxy, I modified xorg package, but I use Fedora to use build. not in ubuntu
Nov 30 10:16:49 <hlzxy> csj: it woeks normal in my fedora host ,but I want to make it work on my ubuntu host
Nov 30 10:17:51 <csj> hlzxy, that's sound wierd, maybe I'll try ubuntu later
Nov 30 10:18:21 <kismeter> hlzxy: your company have firewall, you need proxy
Nov 30 10:18:50 <hlzxy> kismeter: so why it can work  on fedora?
Nov 30 10:19:58 <kismeter> hlzxy:I mean import key
Nov 30 10:20:02 <hlzxy> csj: I am puzzled to 'rpm --import ', could you use it import the same key many times?
Nov 30 10:20:57 <hlzxy> kismeter: but I success sometime
Nov 30 10:22:24 <csj> hlzxy, I reboot to fedora and try it.
Nov 30 10:22:26 <bradass> any hot polk county girls
Nov 30 10:22:34 <bradass> or near there
Nov 30 10:22:59 <Stskeeps> bradass: wrong channel to ask for that, sorry
Nov 30 10:27:35 <csj> hlzxy, no, I can not import twice in Fedora.
Nov 30 10:28:00 <hlzxy> csj: en , It seems normal
Nov 30 10:28:20 <csj> hmm, I go ubuntu to try if the same with you.
Nov 30 10:55:10 <copyleft> hlzxy: You got a "import read failed" or just "import failed"?
Nov 30 10:56:02 <hlzxy> copyleft:import failed
Nov 30 10:56:53 <copyleft> hlzxy: try -vv?
Nov 30 10:58:06 <hlzxy> copyleft:you mean :rpm --import  -vv key?
Nov 30 10:58:17 <hlzxy> copyleft:seems  the same
Nov 30 10:59:04 <hlzxy> copyleft:same error,  and  show many  other  information
Nov 30 11:01:25 <hlzxy> copyleft: I think I have imported  it  successful  first time
Nov 30 11:04:10 <hlzxy> copyleft: I just changed the 'lue' to 'liblua' in meego1.0.conf  to build 1.1 rpm.  and the error appeared
Nov 30 11:11:22 <Macer> so is meego worth trying out yet?
Nov 30 11:11:28 <Macer> on the n900
Nov 30 11:12:02 <Stskeeps> try it out, grab the demo image, make your own opinion but don't bitch about it until you've submitted bug reports ;)
Nov 30 11:13:02 <lolloo> hehehe
Nov 30 11:14:06 <Macer> hahaha
Nov 30 11:16:54 <Macer> Stskeeps: the modem works?
Nov 30 11:17:01 <hlzxy> so pity,I must go back
Nov 30 11:17:05 <Macer> :)
Nov 30 11:17:17 <Macer> i was shocked to see the nitdroid modem worked so well
Nov 30 11:17:50 <Cui_> how could I get the account of OBS system?
Nov 30 11:18:00 <Stskeeps> Macer: yes it does, if you have a pin-less SIM - you can make calls (with audio) and send/recv SMS but 3G data isn't supported by the UI yet
Nov 30 11:18:32 <Stskeeps> Macer: and their stuff works cos of our work to open source the telephony bits and make it work :)
Nov 30 11:18:48 <Cui_> i am contacting Ibt
Nov 30 11:18:58 <Stskeeps> Macer: shame nitdroid seems half dead nowadays, central developer seems to have moved on to new pastures
Nov 30 11:22:31 <Macer> whoah now
Nov 30 11:24:36 <tyson_> Stskeeps: online?
Nov 30 11:24:50 <Stskeeps> tyson_: a little
Nov 30 11:25:24 <tyson_> Stskeeps:   see this website: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Tyson/Adding_a_package_to_a_MeeGo_Image
Nov 30 11:25:49 <Stskeeps> looks nice :)
Nov 30 11:25:51 * Stskeeps bookmarks
Nov 30 11:26:12 <tyson_> Stskeeps: i'm off now..  go home...
Nov 30 11:26:17 <Stskeeps> have a good evening
Nov 30 11:26:39 <tyson_> Stskeeps: see you
Nov 30 11:55:18 <GF911> Hi, guys. I have a Congatec IVI Kit based on Spartan 3E (Russelville) and trying to install Meego 1.1 IVI. Well, it runs, but it's deadly slow (bacause of absense of drivers) and it randomly hangs on. Can anybody give me some guidelines how to properly install Meego 1.1 IVI on Russelville?
Nov 30 11:57:06 <copyleft> hlzxy: yeah, I can't import it twice on Debian either.
Nov 30 11:59:06 <tcs-meego> I am doing the following QEMU_NOGRAPHIC=yes mad remote -r meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2037-sda-runtime poweron
Nov 30 11:59:10 <tcs-meego> i have virtualization enabled
Nov 30 11:59:14 <tcs-meego> ssh: connect to host 127.0.0.1 port 6666: Connection refused
Nov 30 11:59:17 <tcs-meego> [ 458.885747] qemugl[1700]: segfault at 4d0 ip 002372e7 sp bffab700 error 4 in libX11.so.6.3.0[208000+119000]
Nov 30 11:59:24 <tcs-meego> my dmesg gives me
Nov 30 11:59:26 <tcs-meego> has anybody else come across this issue?
Nov 30 12:03:03 <uhef> dayod meeting <3
Nov 30 12:04:04 <vilvo> meego-qa-tools weekly meeting @ #meego-meeting in 5 minutes. welcome!
Nov 30 12:11:29 <GF911> I have a Congatec IVI Kit based on Spartan 3E (Russelville) and trying to install Meego 1.1 IVI. Well, it runs, but it's deadly slow (bacause of absense of drivers) and it randomly hangs on. Can anybody give me some guidelines how to properly install Meego 1.1 IVI on Russelville?
Nov 30 13:11:11 * Stskeeps is really surprised to see so many irc meetings ongoing
Nov 30 13:26:05 <techman> hi can enybody help?  :)
Nov 30 13:27:26 <techman> i install meego 1.1 on my asus eepc, but nothing seems to work
Nov 30 13:30:06 <CosmoHill> Atom or Celeron processor?
Nov 30 13:31:04 <techman> celeron processor
Nov 30 13:31:12 <achipa> bazinga
Nov 30 13:31:17 <CosmoHill> ah, your laptop isn't supported by MeeGo
Nov 30 13:31:34 <achipa> ~ssse3
Nov 30 13:31:54 <techman> :(
Nov 30 13:37:42 <CosmoHill> techman: MeeGo currently requires a processor with SSSE3 support such as the Intel Atom or Intel Core 2 or newer
Nov 30 13:38:19 <GF911> I have a Congatec IVI Kit based on Spartan 3E (Russelville) and trying to install Meego 1.1 IVI. Well, it runs, but it's deadly slow (bacause of absense of drivers) and it randomly hangs on. Can anybody give me some guidelines how to properly install Meego 1.1 IVI on Russelville?
Nov 30 13:47:06 <slaine> techman: closest you could get would be to try out the Smeegol release or the Fedora 14 install with Meego UX
Nov 30 13:47:21 <slaine> Smeegol = OpenSuse + Meego UX
Nov 30 13:47:54 <lcuk> GF911, did you try speaking to your vendor about this issue (was it purchased specifically for meego sdk usage from them?)
Nov 30 13:48:22 <Stskeeps> slaine: you're a device porter aren't you? what is your initial reaction when seeing http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/AdaptationIF ?
Nov 30 13:49:05 <slaine> Stskeeps: it's big and I'm in a meeting would be my initial reaction ;)
Nov 30 13:49:16 <slaine> I'll check it out later, give me a poke
Nov 30 13:49:20 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 30 13:50:06 * slaine nods and smiles approvingly as if he heard what was just said
Nov 30 13:50:31 <jonnor> Stskeeps: since each section has the same structure, you might want to consider using a table
Nov 30 13:51:12 <Stskeeps> maybe - layout can be improved for sure, was more in terms of conent
Nov 30 13:51:13 <Stskeeps> content
Nov 30 13:55:52 <GF911> lcuk, yes, it was purchased for meego and now it looks like this system is so damn unstable and weak. It can't even hold wifi right. I don't know, maybe it's really a hardware problem... but on meego page there's a statement that Russelville is 100% supported.
Nov 30 13:57:38 <lcuk> ok GF911 back up the things you say with links, it helps to add context.  now, what did your vendor say about your experience with the kit, is it the same as they know or are they also investigating this?
Nov 30 13:58:18 * lcuk has a burning throat
Nov 30 13:58:34 * CosmoHill gives lcuk some hot black current
Nov 30 13:58:58 <lcuk> \o ta
Nov 30 14:01:25 <CosmoHill> you're welcome
Nov 30 14:01:40 <CosmoHill> I'm sat in my duvet watching the snow fall
Nov 30 14:16:17 <GF911> lcuk, it's the same kit. For example, meego can't update itself due to "security signature not found" message. What's that? There are no security settings as I see.
Nov 30 14:17:59 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: +1 on the bug number thing, btw
Nov 30 14:18:29 <lcuk> GF911, you are talking like everyone also has the kit and software versions infront of them, slow down - did your vendor say they were also having the same issues
Nov 30 14:18:53 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: ignoring the case at hand, i think that a golden rule should be "if you open source a project, do it completely, have bugtracker in public and only that one"
Nov 30 14:18:57 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 30 14:19:31 <jedix> and only that one?
Nov 30 14:19:34 <lcuk> Jaffa, Stskeeps - i can understand his issue, it will be the same for many vendors.  take something as simple as Qt itself
Nov 30 14:19:34 <slaine> Stskeeps: content looks good from a starting ref point of view
Nov 30 14:19:39 <lcuk> they have their own bugtracker
Nov 30 14:19:40 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Indeed; my reaction was largely one of "why do I, as a consumer of the MeeGo project give a damn about your internal bug tracker - I want to know why stuff is changing; not just what"
Nov 30 14:20:09 <Jaffa> lcuk: Perhaps a problem with mixing roles of developers, maintainers and packagers.
Nov 30 14:22:18 <lcuk> Jaffa, supposing hermes was in meego, its not just the thing about private tracker
Nov 30 14:22:25 <Stskeeps> i think we're mainly seeing transitional problems as there's a lot of harmattan content being dragged in
Nov 30 14:22:39 <lcuk> hermes has bugs already on bugs.maemo.org
Nov 30 14:22:54 <Jaffa> lcuk: Indeed; but you're assuming that as Hermes maintainer I'll also be packaging it for MeeGo
Nov 30 14:22:57 <lcuk> and may infact be fixed based on those bugs
Nov 30 14:23:06 <Jaffa> lcuk: Which isn't how "most" things work in other distros
Nov 30 14:23:44 <Jaffa> lcuk: I haven't checked the guidelines in question in detail, but from the bit snipped it would seem *any* public bug tracker (with sufficient information) could meet the guidelines
Nov 30 14:24:12 * Jaffa has been dealing with similar issues at work recently with different JIRA projects contributing to the same codebase.
Nov 30 14:33:03 <GF911> lcuk, ok, I'll start from the far. Is there any way to download Meego updates and install them offline?
Nov 30 14:38:59 <Stskeeps> mwichmann: quick comment: ARM doesn't qualify for OpenGL 2.1 requirement
Nov 30 14:39:10 <Stskeeps> mwichmann: so in practice no ARM impls can be compliant - can we fix this?
Nov 30 14:39:22 <Stskeeps> OpenGL 2.1 on X86 and OpenGL ES 2.0 on ARM
Nov 30 14:39:39 <mwichmann> I guess can do this
Nov 30 14:39:52 <mwichmann> the data I got was the only thing supported now was OGL,
Nov 30 14:40:07 <mwichmann> but I guess that info came from "Atom people" only :)
Nov 30 14:40:14 <Stskeeps> that's why reviews are good ;)
Nov 30 14:40:45 <Stskeeps> as an example, X86 qt is built against GL, ARM one is built against GLES2
Nov 30 14:40:49 <Stskeeps> so that's the basis
Nov 30 14:44:23 <mwichmann> okay
Nov 30 14:44:45 <mwichmann> sheesh, get comments before I even get the email out :)   (guess the wiki watch feature actually works)
Nov 30 14:45:35 <Stskeeps> worst part was that i didn't even use wiki watch
Nov 30 14:45:35 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 30 14:48:13 <Jaffa> mwichmann: Where's the drafting done, btw? Mark Skarpness said meego-dev, but I can see feedback there but no internal discussion as to the new wording; and - from above - it doesn't sound like new drafts are being collaborated on in the wiki; instead if being used as a way of publicising the current draft.
Nov 30 14:48:51 <mwichmann> drafting done in the doc;
Nov 30 14:49:08 <mwichmann> more work-in-progress stuff on the wiki (there's one link there now)
Nov 30 14:49:38 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: as i understand it there's one editor and many comments both publically and privately, with state of document being published often
Nov 30 14:50:02 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: along with 'diff' in the document indicating changes
Nov 30 14:50:09 <mwichmann> once we get this one out I'd like to look at getting this thing out of @%#$$@! ms-word so it's a little more accessible, and maybe can have "sources in version control"
Nov 30 14:50:17 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: there's an initiative to do this on wiki, like handset section
Nov 30 14:51:02 <mwichmann> or maybe move the whole "next version" stuff to wiki, although I like that less as it's harder to turn into a finished "book"
Nov 30 14:51:22 <Stskeeps> LaTeX ;)
Nov 30 14:51:27 <Jaffa> mwichmann: Parsing MediaWiki syntax and/or book-like CSS isn't too hard.
Nov 30 14:53:49 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: out of curiousity, what'd be a proper way in your opinion for such a spec?
Nov 30 14:54:17 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Tricky.
Nov 30 14:54:37 <Stskeeps> i mean, ultra-open is git and merge requests
Nov 30 14:54:37 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 30 14:54:43 <Stskeeps> but that's just annoying
Nov 30 14:54:49 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: I'd be tempted to go for a markup-format with limited capabilities (maybe Markdown, for example) which was version controlled in git; with patches in bug tracker
Nov 30 14:54:52 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Why?
Nov 30 14:55:04 <Stskeeps> high bar of participation
Nov 30 14:55:18 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: The spec should have a limited number of maintainers, just like any artefact - a wiki doc is a bit too wild and unstructured to my mind
Nov 30 14:55:50 <Stskeeps> like, let's say, a business manager at some random vendor wants to propose a wording.. he would have to check out git, learn merge requests, etc
Nov 30 14:55:52 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Doesn't preclude any other feedback channels, and ensures you don't get blatting of changes when someone copies & pastes their complete copy into the wiki.
Nov 30 14:55:54 <Stskeeps> and submit change
Nov 30 14:56:13 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: True. There must be good, controlled, workflow-driven DMS systems
Nov 30 14:56:22 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Not to say one couldn't be built on top of git
Nov 30 14:56:42 <Jaffa> But the Compliance Spec is, arguably, the single most important part of the MeeGo project.
Nov 30 14:56:58 <Jaffa> Well, it will be when more apps are compliant than not, but that's a different matter ;-)
Nov 30 14:57:35 * Jaffa goes to get on a flight.
Nov 30 15:03:57 <GF911> Guys, is there any way to download Meego updates and install them offline?
Nov 30 15:04:30 <Stskeeps> rsync them?
Nov 30 15:04:47 <dm8tbr> Stskeeps: the VMX tarball of obs consistently fails to work for me. even the newest one. I have no idea what the OBS guys are using, but it's certainly not regular Virtualbox. I'd strongly recommend to use the bzip2 raw image and convert it with e.g. 'qemu-img convert -O vdi obs-server.i686-2.1.66-Build2.3.raw obs-server.i686-2.1.66-Build2.3.vdi'
Nov 30 15:05:19 <Stskeeps> dm8tbr: could you add that to the wiki page?
Nov 30 15:05:38 <dm8tbr> it's your private page, so I didn't want to mess with it
Nov 30 15:05:52 <Stskeeps> ah, it's edit-able :P
Nov 30 15:06:27 <dm8tbr> I'll edit it from home. don't have my meego.com credentials stored in the orkplace browser yet
Nov 30 15:08:09 <barisione> the meego chroots bind mount /var/lib/dbus and /var/run/dbus into their own /var/lib/dbus and /var/run/dbus. what is the point of doing that?
Nov 30 15:31:25 <pexi_> http://cgi.ebay.de/NOKIA-PROTOTYPE-C-N00-N86-12-Megapixels-Phone-N87-/290506017331?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item43a3820a33
Nov 30 15:32:49 <Myrtti> "Dieses Angebot (290506017331) wurde entfernt oder der Artikel ist nicht verfügbar."
Nov 30 15:51:42 <Stskeeps> mwichmann: thanks for changing :)
Nov 30 17:05:25 <CosmoHill> oh dear, MS are dropping IA-64 support
Nov 30 17:05:53 <luisbg> CosmoHill, O_O
Nov 30 17:06:15 <CosmoHill> good thing you guys talked me out of buying that server
Nov 30 17:06:17 <Stskeeps> CosmoHill: [citation needed]
Nov 30 17:06:58 <mwichmann> as one who has an Itanium box, and lives in a place with cold winters, I can tell you they /are/ useful :)
Nov 30 17:07:09 <CosmoHill> http://www.techeye.net/chips/microsoft-kills-off-itanium-server-support
Nov 30 17:07:55 <mwichmann> the announcement is old news, really (april if I recall)
Nov 30 17:08:26 <CosmoHill> yes but I only read it today
Nov 30 17:11:35 <CosmoHill> oo decreased boot time for R2, I could do with that
Nov 30 17:12:27 <lcuk> CosmoHill, does your cluster software work on meego? did you once say there was a linux implementation?
Nov 30 17:13:00 <CosmoHill> my cluster will be running openmpi
Nov 30 17:14:40 <CosmoHill> the software I have been writing for my assignment uses openmpi
Nov 30 17:14:53 <CosmoHill> actually it uses MPI so any implementation should work
Nov 30 17:15:32 <lcuk> cool beans CosmoHill
Nov 30 17:15:43 <CosmoHill> atm it's mostly running this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_HPC_Server_2008
Nov 30 17:18:32 <lcuk> CosmoHill, how come you didnt use the linux version mostly, especially thinking about your lfs roots
Nov 30 17:18:52 <CosmoHill> it's meant to be dual boot
Nov 30 17:19:04 <CosmoHill> but rocks seems to fall over at little things
Nov 30 17:19:06 <lcuk> dual boot is always hard for real usage
Nov 30 17:19:15 <CosmoHill> atm it can't connect to the DNS so it doesn't boot
Nov 30 17:19:25 <CosmoHill> the idea is that the two head nodes are always on
Nov 30 17:20:01 <CosmoHill> towards the end of the semester you can have more linux slaves than windows slaves as this is what is required by the students
Nov 30 17:20:36 <CosmoHill> next semester when a linux cluster isn't required you can have 2 or 3 slaves for the students to play on and the rest are windows for the engineering student's software
Nov 30 17:21:43 <lcuk> CosmoHill, what happens in a power/network outage, does it respond like domain election process?
Nov 30 17:22:13 <CosmoHill> in a power outage it will just turn off
Nov 30 17:22:34 <CosmoHill> I'll tell you about the network later since the switch needs a new fan
Nov 30 17:22:42 <Myrtti> I need to drink less coffee in the evenings
Nov 30 17:23:15 <CosmoHill> Myrtti:
Nov 30 17:23:16 <CosmoHill> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLQVZvGoMaQ
Nov 30 17:23:22 <CosmoHill> the intro is really loud for some reason
Nov 30 17:26:19 <Myrtti> I feel like an idiot now, really
Nov 30 17:28:24 <CosmoHill> why?
Nov 30 17:28:54 <Myrtti> bug 10443
Nov 30 17:28:57 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10443 maj, Undecided, ---, henri.bergius, NEW, Thumbs up/down to news doesn't work as expected
Nov 30 17:29:12 <CosmoHill> oo
Nov 30 17:34:10 <Myrtti> oh lord
Nov 30 17:34:20 <CosmoHill> yes my child?
Nov 30 17:54:37 <npm_> Q: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS says "Host must support SSSE3 instructions" --> does that mean i can't use my 3.4G Phenom II 965 ?? (sse4a)
Nov 30 17:55:19 <npm> or can this be worked around?
Nov 30 17:55:38 <lcuk> hmm missed call, wasnt from round here was it
Nov 30 17:57:26 <CosmoHill> lcuk: either that or you didn't like them
Nov 30 17:58:00 <CosmoHill> npm: at the moment I don't think you can since parts of meego require SSSE3 to run
Nov 30 17:58:53 <Stskeeps> npm: it may manifest itself in build errors, hence the warning
Nov 30 17:58:55 <jonnor> npm: if you CPU has SSE4a, it will have SSE3 instruction set as well
Nov 30 17:59:05 <jonnor> well, in all cases I've seen
Nov 30 17:59:19 <CosmoHill> jonnor: three Ss
Nov 30 17:59:21 <lcuk> CosmoHill, was foreign number and I was eating mashed potato at the time :P
Nov 30 17:59:35 <CosmoHill> okay sod that, now I want mash
Nov 30 18:00:12 <npm> thanks for the infos CosmoHill & jonnor .... i guess i should just use the public obs then
Nov 30 18:00:19 <lcuk> luke came downstairs nice and calm, got his tea, sat down and said "your phones ringing" :@
Nov 30 18:00:54 <CosmoHill> lols
Nov 30 18:01:46 <jonnor> CosmoHill: ah, indeed. And AMD does not support them on anything before Bobcat and Bulldozer
Nov 30 18:02:24 <npm> bobcat and bulldozer being which products?
Nov 30 18:02:53 <Stskeeps> new ones
Nov 30 18:03:10 <CosmoHill> they're 6 core aren't they?
Nov 30 18:05:02 <odin_> they target mobile, I think its integrated gfx and a few cores at most
Nov 30 18:05:18 <npm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Phenom_microprocessors#.22Deneb.22_.28C2.2FC3.2C_45_nm.2C_quad-core.29 ... "All models support: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4a, Enhanced 3DNow!, NX bit, AMD64, Cool'n'Quiet, AMD-V"
Nov 30 18:05:36 * odin_ wonders that happens when AMD release incompatible binaries to intel hardware
Nov 30 18:06:06 <npm> bobcat/bulldozer aka athlon II neo k625  ??
Nov 30 18:07:38 <auke> geesh
Nov 30 18:07:55 <auke> what's with people this morning?
Nov 30 18:08:22 <CosmoHill> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer_%28processor%29
Nov 30 18:08:35 <CosmoHill> auke: "omg snow" was my morning's thought
Nov 30 18:09:16 <auke> omg bikeshed was my though :(
Nov 30 18:09:27 <CosmoHill> go on...
Nov 30 18:09:32 * npm is glad amd finally joined meego
Nov 30 18:10:01 <CosmoHill> lcuk, oh yeah, our ukalipus (spelling?) tree is 1m shorter than it was yesterday because of the snow
Nov 30 18:10:03 <CosmoHill> maybe 2m
Nov 30 18:11:49 <lcuk> terrible spelling CosmoHill
Nov 30 18:11:56 <lcuk> and I didnt know you moved to Aus?
Nov 30 18:12:24 <CosmoHill> huh?
Nov 30 18:12:29 * Stskeeps glares at sensor framework
Nov 30 18:12:44 <Stskeeps> Environment.IsDark , Environment.IsBright
Nov 30 18:12:55 <lcuk> Stskeeps, shades of grey?
Nov 30 18:12:57 <Stskeeps> so i guess if both are no, Environment.Emo?
Nov 30 18:18:50 <Tili> got meego on sdcard but flasher doesn't detect n900 when connected without turning on. using windows
Nov 30 18:19:01 <Tili> windows complains that usb connected in incomptable mode
Nov 30 18:19:11 <Tili> i got nokia pc suite installed fyi
Nov 30 18:19:11 <npm> so it appears the diff between meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 and the daily snapshots is that i need to run flasher or follow instructions like http://wiki.meego.com/User:Tyson/Adding_a_package_to_a_MeeGo_Image and create my own from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.8.20101126.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/
Nov 30 18:19:44 <npm> howcome the daily builds don't include the /boot sector so that the mmc card boots w/o flashing?
Nov 30 18:20:10 <Stskeeps> we didnt get that implemented in official release process yet
Nov 30 18:20:37 <npm> and what happens when i run the 11/26 version on my n900 ? will it be worth the effort?
Nov 30 18:23:07 * npm hoping it resolves the n900 hard crashes after a few hours of displaying 'ssh -f -Y meego@192.168.0.101 "exec emacs >/dev/null 2>&1 </dev/null"'
Nov 30 18:23:28 <Stskeeps> 1.2 isnt exactly stable yet :)
Nov 30 18:23:50 <npm> isn't 1.1.80 an updated/patched/latest 1.1?
Nov 30 18:23:54 <npm> or is it 1.2?
Nov 30 18:24:26 <Stskeeps> its 1.2
Nov 30 18:24:31 <npm> i guess the best question to ask is what's the latest and greatest most stable 1.1 image for my n900
Nov 30 18:25:02 <Stskeeps> tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php - 'demo' image
Nov 30 18:25:40 <npm> and yes i'll file a bug report as soon as i figure out whether the issue came from SSH, xauth, X, emacs or some other aspect of running X over an "ssh -Y" connection
Nov 30 18:26:02 <Stskeeps> high usb traffic has a problem yea
Nov 30 18:26:44 <npm> Stskeeps: ah, i hadn't tried the demo image. thanks for the suggestion. i'll give it a go.
Nov 30 18:27:16 <npm> Stskeeps: i was using wireless networkig
Nov 30 18:27:40 <npm> for the ssh&tunneled x connections
Nov 30 18:31:48 <Stskeeps> npm: hmm
Nov 30 18:32:20 <david001> Hi, I wanna configure a meego image to run a custom QT application after startup, Can I do that by just configuring the .ks file ?
Nov 30 18:32:55 <auke> you'll have to modify the startup scripts
Nov 30 18:33:00 <auke> those are in packages
Nov 30 18:33:32 <auke> of course, you can always edit your image to add a custom uxlaunch config file to do that
Nov 30 18:34:00 <npm> Stskeeps: stskeeps -- aka i just booted meego straight off mmc card w/ meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 ... i was then surprised that the other images had no /boot and didn't boot automaticlaly in uboot
Nov 30 18:34:38 <david001> auke: ok, i'll try that, thanks
Nov 30 18:35:12 <npm> no usb networking setup, only wireless. and sshd ...
Nov 30 18:35:41 <npm> and of course zypper install emacs
Nov 30 18:44:54 <david001> auke: for the second option, would i have to rebuild  uxlaunch os base package?
Nov 30 18:45:19 <Stskeeps> the kickstart language allows you to specify your own session script, afaik
Nov 30 18:47:19 <auke> david001: you could just make a package that adds only a config file, yes
Nov 30 18:47:41 <auke> or even do it in the kickstart, but I personally don't know how
Nov 30 18:47:46 * auke never makes images
Nov 30 18:48:34 <Stskeeps> desktop --autologinuser=meego  --defaultdesktop=DUI --session="/usr/bin/mcompositor"
Nov 30 18:48:37 <Stskeeps> for example
Nov 30 18:48:59 <david001> auke: ok
Nov 30 18:50:40 <centoslinux> is it possible to playback DVD in Meego 1.1?
Nov 30 18:51:28 <auke> you may have to install additional codecs
Nov 30 18:52:01 <centoslinux> oky
Nov 30 18:52:11 <msvb> Codecs are lacking alot.
Nov 30 18:52:31 <msvb> I tried making a gst-plugins-ugly package...
Nov 30 18:52:55 <msvb> But there are too many missing dependencies (no x264 in the repos.)
Nov 30 18:53:06 <auke> msvb: we can't legally provide those codecs on meego.com
Nov 30 18:53:25 <msvb> auke: Yes I know and understand the reasons.
Nov 30 18:53:58 <msvb> …but there is no good reason to not provide x264 and other nonencumbered formats so that a 3rd party developer could package the ugly plugin.
Nov 30 18:54:19 <auke> I'll ask our lawyer about x264
Nov 30 18:54:23 <auke> how is that?
Nov 30 18:54:32 <msvb> That's great, thanks.
Nov 30 18:54:43 <msvb> We'll have to sort this with codecs out in some way.
Nov 30 18:54:46 <auke> but in general, meego policy is not to package "unused" items
Nov 30 18:55:07 <auke> if it's legal to provide just that component, we can package it in the community OBS though
Nov 30 18:55:42 <Stskeeps> auke: you obviously missed the opencv discussion ;) (re "unused")
Nov 30 18:55:53 <msvb> We're inching a long of course, but everybody saying no its not possible will not help to get codecs in some place (unofficially.)
Nov 30 18:56:25 <msvb> No way to play DVD or H.264 video, MP3 audio and so on is going to piss off a lot of people who expect that.
Nov 30 18:56:36 <auke> Stskeeps: read it but... what was the conclusion?
Nov 30 18:56:42 <Stskeeps> auke: i'm not sure, really
Nov 30 18:56:55 <msvb> There is no conclusion yet.
Nov 30 18:56:57 <Stskeeps> msvb: well, we're delivering a platform, not a end-user experience
Nov 30 18:57:00 <auke> Stskeeps: hehe that
Nov 30 18:57:06 <auke> Stskeeps: hehe that's what I thought
Nov 30 18:57:36 <msvb> Stskeeps: Not sure what you mean 'we', because this IRC channel has a few folks like me.
Nov 30 18:57:52 <msvb> …loose developers who package gst-plugsins-ugly for example.
Nov 30 18:58:02 <Stskeeps> msvb: as in what's shipped off repo.meego.com
Nov 30 18:58:29 <Stskeeps> it's up to someone else to create a product/productize it, with all those nice bits
Nov 30 18:59:16 <ali1234> you do realise that that's going to make meego certification (or whatever you're calling it) worthless...
Nov 30 18:59:18 <msvb> Stskeeps: Okay, that right. I already know that the official repo is very good even without enough codecs.
Nov 30 18:59:23 <ali1234> because everyone will package a different set of codecs
Nov 30 18:59:45 <CosmoHill> there's a meego cert?
Nov 30 18:59:48 <msvb> Yes, ali1234 that's just what I'm doing now.
Nov 30 19:00:00 <Stskeeps> ali1234: if they stick to gstreamer interfaces, how will apps tell the difference?
Nov 30 19:00:09 <msvb> Packaging things unofficially and signing the packages with my private key.
Nov 30 19:00:11 <Stskeeps> i mean, gst-dsp makes sense on OMAP3 but not on moorestown
Nov 30 19:00:42 <Stskeeps> auke: oh, now i remember what i was going to be asking you about: what would be a reason why bootchart would start ignoring the entire startup sequence of uxlaunch + xorg?
Nov 30 19:00:52 <ali1234> Stskeeps: gstreamer has nothing to do with it, if my meego TV has only mpeg2 and my meego phone has only h.264 and my meego fridge has only ogg theora, they're not going to work together
Nov 30 19:01:09 <Stskeeps> ali1234: win for vorbis and theora ;)
Nov 30 19:01:14 <Stskeeps> works everywhere ;p
Nov 30 19:01:28 <Stskeeps> (yes, i know that's now how the world works)
Nov 30 19:01:32 <ali1234> itym everywhere except places that rely on DSP for decoding
Nov 30 19:01:33 <Stskeeps> not, i mean
Nov 30 19:01:39 <lcuk> ali1234, the point was made clearer by lack of mp3 on the meego image for the ideapad
Nov 30 19:01:59 <ali1234> well the point is not about any single codec
Nov 30 19:02:02 <Stskeeps> auke: i have a svg example where we're pretty certain xorg actually started up
Nov 30 19:02:29 <ali1234> it doesn't just lack mp3 btw, it also lacks pretty much any kind of mpeg afaict
Nov 30 19:02:46 <ali1234> that means it also doesn't work with tv tuners, dvds...
Nov 30 19:03:00 <lcuk> well ali1234 that was the first observation from folks since many have music with them on other devices in that format
Nov 30 19:03:17 <lcuk> since it has neither a tvtuner nor a dvd drive that was less of an issue
Nov 30 19:03:18 <Stskeeps> ali1234: well, is there a good and legal way to do it? i mean, we can't do compliance with stuff everyone can't have
Nov 30 19:03:39 <ali1234> but the problem is if you dodge the issue by saying "well vendors have to make the complete experience" then you will end up with every vendor using a different codec, and meego devices won't work together like they are supposed to... and i thought that was the whole point
Nov 30 19:03:53 <lcuk> ++
Nov 30 19:04:01 <jonnor> ali1234: how would that make them "not work together"?
Nov 30 19:04:09 <ali1234> jonnor: i just described how
Nov 30 19:04:21 <ali1234> video recorded on your meego phone won't play on your meego tv
Nov 30 19:04:28 <ali1234> because they use different codecs
Nov 30 19:05:00 <jonnor> You're right, that is a problem.
Nov 30 19:05:24 <Stskeeps> ali1234: i think that might be worth a discussion on meego-dev
Nov 30 19:06:01 <ali1234> i don't have any answers unfortunately
Nov 30 19:06:18 <lcuk> ali1234, but you have a very clear problem statement.
Nov 30 19:06:30 <lcuk> that is a good place to start a discussion from :)
Nov 30 19:06:53 <jonnor> and raising issues can be useful even if there are no immediate answers
Nov 30 19:07:14 * Stskeeps 's with lcuk on that one
Nov 30 19:07:46 * CosmoHill lols at his neighbour trying to park
Nov 30 19:08:19 <lcuk> CosmoHill, ice?
Nov 30 19:08:24 <lcuk> or just bad driver? :D
Nov 30 19:09:09 <Stskeeps> ali1234: well, if they're all networked devices somehow, technically all devices can grab a codec from online repositories
Nov 30 19:09:13 <Stskeeps> and solve issue that way
Nov 30 19:09:35 <ali1234> only if someone creates such a repository :)
Nov 30 19:09:41 <Stskeeps> usually people do
Nov 30 19:09:54 <ali1234> even then, it is a bit iffy...
Nov 30 19:10:10 <csdb> I think one thing that compounds this problem is that, while it is said that repo.meego.com is platform not product - it is also the place people are told to download Netbook UX images from
Nov 30 19:10:15 <csdb> which makes it a product...
Nov 30 19:10:20 <Myrtti> Canonical sells fluendo gst plugins.
Nov 30 19:10:43 <Stskeeps> csdb: yeah, marketing has been a bit personality split in that area..
Nov 30 19:10:50 <ali1234> csdb: yep, i agree
Nov 30 19:10:55 <CosmoHill> compacted ice
Nov 30 19:10:58 <CosmoHill> made by his car :p
Nov 30 19:11:05 <Myrtti> so perhaps if the vendors don't ship with the codecs, they could be bought by the users in a similar way
Nov 30 19:11:12 <CosmoHill> he gets close then his wheels spin and he goes side ways
Nov 30 19:11:19 <csdb> I didn't hear anyone saying at the conference "here's the platform on the usb, not get your product somewhere else" :-)
Nov 30 19:11:24 <Stskeeps> csdb: but was there any other way to start platform hype with no products on market, is the other side of the coin
Nov 30 19:11:29 <ali1234> also, yeah, meego store can just have all the codecs in it, thne people can see what this stuff actually costs, and decide if they want to buy it
Nov 30 19:12:16 <csdb> Stskeeps, I understand the conflict - but the fact is people are told to download their netbook UX images from Meego.
Nov 30 19:12:19 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Nov 30 19:12:29 <Stskeeps> i wonder where the promised netbook products are :)
Nov 30 19:12:54 <csdb>  to me "images==product"
Nov 30 19:12:56 <jonnor> ali1234: That is a nice solution for several reasons. If tied in with an easy installer solution (which is possible with gstreamer), the user experience is pretty good
Nov 30 19:12:57 <ali1234> i think most people are wondering where the promised handset products are :)
Nov 30 19:13:12 <jonnor> "this video requires codec X, you can get it here for X money"
Nov 30 19:13:46 <lcuk> csdb, hardware products are bought from a shop and entail complete end to end experience.
Nov 30 19:13:56 <ali1234> jonnor: yes, the only problem is when annoying_company_X makes a meego camcorder which only uses their proprietary codec, and sell the codec for a ridiculous amount (or not at all)
Nov 30 19:14:06 <csdb> lcuk, SW products have been available online for ages...
Nov 30 19:14:07 <Stskeeps> csdb: maybe we should start shipping in tar.gz'es to drive the point home
Nov 30 19:14:41 <jonnor> ali1234: one could require that the used codecs are from a certain set for compliance
Nov 30 19:14:43 <Stskeeps> but yeah, it's a challenge :/
Nov 30 19:14:49 <Myrtti> ali1234: is your point "proprietary codecs are bad"?
Nov 30 19:14:59 <ali1234> Myrtti: no, not at all
Nov 30 19:15:10 <Myrtti> just checking
Nov 30 19:15:26 <lcuk> csdb, then enjoy it now :) but in general a product coming from the largest handset/silicon manufacturers in the world would include a box
Nov 30 19:16:06 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i wouldn't mind buying a touchscreen for my wall without OS contents, personally
Nov 30 19:16:11 <ali1234> Myrtti: but what i don't want to see is the situation like we have today with upnp devices, where they can all see each other, but they can't play the files due to codec issues
Nov 30 19:16:30 <Stskeeps> ali1234: i thought upnp had transcoding though
Nov 30 19:16:47 <Stskeeps> i mean, many tv's only does for example mpeg2 over dlna
Nov 30 19:17:03 <lcuk> Stskeeps, thats because that is what you do.  but for the other 99.9999999% of the population that wouldnt be useful
Nov 30 19:17:05 <ali1234> Stskeeps: no, it is just a http server with autodiscovery and a xml api for controlling playback
Nov 30 19:17:18 <ali1234> the files that are served up are just... the files
Nov 30 19:17:39 <ali1234> some devices may implement transcoding with some tricks but there is nothing in the upnp spec about it, or what codecs you should support
Nov 30 19:17:42 <ali1234> so it is just free for all
Nov 30 19:17:48 <csdb> lcuk, agree on HW product. But if you compare to Ubuntu, FC, etc... Meego is a product like they are (at least its being marketed as such). Look at www.meego.com "Meego v1.1 for Netbooks" on the front has a "download" link to the img
Nov 30 19:18:02 <ali1234> and so different brands rarely work together, even though that was the whole point
Nov 30 19:18:03 <lcuk> csdb, sure
Nov 30 19:18:05 <lcuk> and it works
Nov 30 19:18:14 * lcuk was running it on eee the other night happily
Nov 30 19:18:17 <csdb> as a platform :-)
Nov 30 19:18:31 <lcuk> apart from the single annoyance: touch screen didn't react ;)
Nov 30 19:18:42 <jonnor> As an end-user experience I find the Meego Netbook image sadly lacking
Nov 30 19:19:56 <jonnor> The expectations of end-users needs to match what they get. I'm not quite sure if the current Meego Netbook image download solution lives up to that
Nov 30 19:28:47 <lcuk> jonnor, in what regard, and are these things which can be put into bug reports or general observations
Nov 30 19:29:12 <Stskeeps> hrm, interesting - acer wants to make meego handsets
Nov 30 19:29:30 <lcuk> good
Nov 30 19:29:47 <lcuk> about time, they have a nice dual touchscreen laptop
Nov 30 19:30:00 <lcuk> Iconia
Nov 30 19:30:14 <lcuk> once we get meego into shape it will be nice on there :)
Nov 30 19:31:47 <lcuk> RevdKathy, hi, do you have any lemsip?
Nov 30 19:32:42 <RevdKathy> I have some tescos own flu remedy if you need it
Nov 30 19:32:52 <RevdKathy> are you and TeeBee feeling any better?
Nov 30 19:32:58 * lcuk puts his skis on
Nov 30 19:33:15 * RevdKathy is huddles under a blankie with a hottie bottle and shivering
Nov 30 19:33:33 <lcuk> not really, mine came on worse today to the point i cant open mouth
Nov 30 19:33:48 <lcuk> luke is happy tho :)
Nov 30 19:33:53 <RevdKathy> Ouch. That's rough
Nov 30 19:33:59 <RevdKathy> Glad Luke is happy
Nov 30 19:34:05 <RevdKathy> did he have a good birthday?
Nov 30 19:34:16 <Stskeeps> evening kathy, how goes?
Nov 30 19:34:31 <lcuk> yeah, sorting out money with him and setting up accounts for last few days
Nov 30 19:34:37 <RevdKathy> Evening Stskeeps
Nov 30 19:34:44 <RevdKathy> You well?
Nov 30 19:34:55 <RevdKathy> Now he's an adult, eh? lcuk
Nov 30 19:34:56 <Stskeeps> yeah, long day and a lot of snow outside
Nov 30 19:35:09 <RevdKathy> Mostly ice here.
Nov 30 19:35:21 * RevdKathy hates being cold all the time
Nov 30 19:35:30 <lcuk> yeah RevdKathy, plus some investments made matured along with it
Nov 30 19:35:51 <RevdKathy> That's nice for him :D Teach him early on the value of saving
Nov 30 19:36:11 * pupnik is heating up with a hair dryer
Nov 30 19:36:19 <pupnik> lol
Nov 30 19:36:30 * RevdKathy passes pupnik a hot water bottle
Nov 30 19:36:39 <pupnik> ty :)
Nov 30 19:36:39 <RevdKathy> Hmmm my meego wants to do an update
Nov 30 19:36:45 <RevdKathy> Should I let it?
Nov 30 19:37:00 <pupnik> lcuk: you have a joggler?  i was thinking of one as a meego device
Nov 30 19:37:01 <msvb> Not sure about the update.
Nov 30 19:37:12 <msvb> I did it and nothing really bad happened.
Nov 30 19:37:29 <msvb> …but I'm still trying to find out why my meego-panel-myzone is hanging.
Nov 30 19:37:35 <RevdKathy> Ok, I'll risk it
Nov 30 19:37:41 <msvb> …and think that maybe it was a updated package.
Nov 30 19:37:58 <msvb> So if you can't see the meego myzone panel after the update then you know why.
Nov 30 19:38:14 <msvb> Actually it only happens when you have a live network connection during boot.
Nov 30 19:38:49 <RevdKathy> I missed the nag box and need to look for it.
Nov 30 19:38:52 <lcuk> pupnik, theres a joggler around, but at house it has problems since its got no battery backup, once you unplug it everything vanishes
Nov 30 19:42:44 <jonnor> lcuk: one specific thing; GNU/Linux users expect a rich and comprehensive package repository. This does not currently exist for Meego
Nov 30 19:44:00 <jonnor> This is not communicated anywhere I've seen on the path to downloading a Meego image
Nov 30 19:44:01 <lcuk> jonnor, make enough GNU/Linux apps that run happily to fill the repository on handhelds and I will agree
Nov 30 19:44:26 <Mikho> rich and comprehensive package repositories weren't built in a day, you know?
Nov 30 19:45:52 <lcuk> jonnor, you will note that making apps that actually work happily at the lower spec/resolution is not the same as using apps that work on desktop spec machines.
Nov 30 19:46:47 <jonnor> lcuk: Mikho: I am very aware. It is just that I think it would be wise to inform the user of the current state
Nov 30 19:47:31 <lcuk> jonnor, it does.
Nov 30 19:47:33 <lcuk> the front page
Nov 30 19:47:34 <lcuk> Today we are announcing the project release of MeeGo 1.1. It provides a solid baseline for device vendors and developers to start creating software for various device categories on Intel Atom* and ARMv7 architectures.
Nov 30 19:47:41 <lcuk> "start creating software"
Nov 30 19:48:12 <Mikho> I agree to a degree, but am a bit unsure how to measure the maturity of the repositories
Nov 30 19:48:14 <lcuk> so open up qt creator and make happy apps that work on the smallest up
Nov 30 19:48:35 <Mikho> one could argue the current ones are pretty far already
Nov 30 19:49:22 <jonnor> lcuk: hmm, you're right, this is pretty good
Nov 30 19:50:15 * lcuk creates helloworld in qt creator
Nov 30 19:50:27 <lcuk> and then wonders who will package it and push it to appup and ovi for him
Nov 30 19:50:34 <townxelliot> jonnor: if there are specific packages which are missing, there is always the option of building them yourself on the community OBS, or requesting they be added (via a bug report)
Nov 30 19:50:50 <lcuk> ITP exists
Nov 30 19:50:56 <lcuk> ~ITP
Nov 30 19:50:56 <infobot> it has been said that itp is Intent To Package
Nov 30 19:51:09 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP
Nov 30 19:51:36 <townxelliot> lcuk: even better
Nov 30 19:51:37 <lcuk> needs the other way round, Request for package too..
Nov 30 19:54:29 * lcuk spoke with vlad and Tanya at the conf about looking for live wallpapers and stuff
Nov 30 19:55:12 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, whats the giturl for healthcheck, i will try and build it on netbook
Nov 30 19:55:24 <NooBmonk3y> there isnt one :P
Nov 30 19:55:28 <lcuk> !!
Nov 30 19:55:32 <NooBmonk3y> git figuring out is happenning later
Nov 30 19:55:34 * lcuk slaps you
Nov 30 19:55:45 <NooBmonk3y> qt creator would not let me upload to git after i create dthe project
Nov 30 19:55:56 <NooBmonk3y> and i really dont wanna know the terminal git stuff
Nov 30 19:55:58 <NooBmonk3y> too geeky for me
Nov 30 19:56:11 * lcuk flies to Finland, finds an unforzen lake with trout in, catches one, hands it to frals and puts him on a flight to the souf
Nov 30 19:56:19 <NooBmonk3y> lol!
Nov 30 19:56:19 <lcuk> unfrozen of course :P
Nov 30 19:56:34 <lcuk> git is easy!
Nov 30 19:56:42 <NooBmonk3y> no its not it fails!
Nov 30 19:56:53 <NooBmonk3y> if it did it in qt creator then i can ignore it and let it go :P
Nov 30 19:56:59 <CosmoHill> won't the frozen ones be just as fresh?
Nov 30 19:57:09 <lcuk> http://help.github.com/git-cheat-sheets/
Nov 30 19:57:33 <lcuk> CosmoHill, of course it would have more impact on NooBmonk3y's head, but its harder to cut them out of the lake initially
Nov 30 19:58:01 <NooBmonk3y> haha
Nov 30 19:58:08 <Myrtti> frozen lakes would be easier, you can walk on them
Nov 30 19:58:16 <CosmoHill> just use a chain swa
Nov 30 19:58:19 <CosmoHill> saw*
Nov 30 19:58:44 <lcuk> Myrtti, sure, but the fish tend to sit at the bottom of the lake in the subzero compressed water that remains under the ice
Nov 30 19:59:14 <lcuk> and frankly, ice fishing just to whap NooBmonk3y is a bit too energetic
Nov 30 19:59:21 <CosmoHill> drill a hole, drop a gernade in and stand back
Nov 30 19:59:29 <CosmoHill> take home whatever fish comes out the whole
Nov 30 19:59:32 <NooBmonk3y> !!
Nov 30 19:59:38 <lcuk> CosmoHill, you sure you want to drop a grenade under the ice you are standing on?
Nov 30 19:59:47 <NooBmonk3y> ooo lcuk !!!
Nov 30 19:59:53 <Myrtti> dynamite fishing is illegal in most of the countries... AFAIK
Nov 30 19:59:54 <NooBmonk3y> as i'm on the new RC qt creator now
Nov 30 19:59:58 <NooBmonk3y> it may be your lucky day!
Nov 30 20:00:00 * RevdKathy steals lcuk's fish, adds a bit fo bread and feed the whole community
Nov 30 20:00:01 * lcuk does not think you have thought this through
Nov 30 20:00:02 <Mikho> how does this infobot work?
Nov 30 20:00:04 <NooBmonk3y> git menu seems to have woken up!
Nov 30 20:00:05 <lcuk> !!
Nov 30 20:00:12 <lcuk> lcuky day
Nov 30 20:00:21 <NooBmonk3y> ooo now to remember what to do and figure that menu out
Nov 30 20:00:22 <NooBmonk3y> darn!
Nov 30 20:00:24 <CosmoHill> the idea is that you hook it up to some string so it doesn't go off until you tug it
Nov 30 20:00:30 <lcuk> RevdKathy, but you arent a carpenter!
Nov 30 20:00:30 <CosmoHill> and that you are standing far away
Nov 30 20:00:33 <CosmoHill> maybe in a boat
Nov 30 20:00:40 <Myrtti> Mikho: what do you want to know
Nov 30 20:00:43 <RevdKathy> lcuk: no, I'm a lady
Nov 30 20:00:50 * RevdKathy suddenly feels very old
Nov 30 20:00:54 <Mikho> how to ask stuff etc. and the interface
Nov 30 20:01:08 <Myrtti> ~bot
Nov 30 20:01:09 <infobot> I ain't no stinkin' bot.  I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool.  Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
Nov 30 20:01:16 <Mikho> ~lmgtfy
Nov 30 20:01:17 <infobot> it has been said that lmgtfy is http://lmgtfy.com/
Nov 30 20:01:17 <CosmoHill> the last person that I heard say "I'm lady" was a cross dresser
Nov 30 20:01:22 <Myrtti> Mikho: ~ is the trigger, try it in PM
Nov 30 20:01:43 <lcuk> CosmoHill, did you find out before or after you had kissed him?
Nov 30 20:01:43 <centoslinux> sorry for asking again: did someone manage to watch dvd in Meego 1.1?
Nov 30 20:01:56 <RevdKathy> It's an old song, CosmoHill "If I were a carpenter and you were a lady". Hence the point about feeling old
Nov 30 20:01:59 <lcuk> centoslinux, my meego 1.1 install does not have a dvd drive
Nov 30 20:02:04 <lcuk> so not able to test
Nov 30 20:02:12 <CosmoHill> lcuk: it was that damn hailfax advert i think
Nov 30 20:02:17 <Mikho> can I get a list or something about all the stuff it knows?
Nov 30 20:02:29 <lcuk> hailfax?  the mightest snowflake in the world!
Nov 30 20:02:46 <centoslinux> lcuk, mm
Nov 30 20:05:02 <Myrtti> ^___o
Nov 30 20:05:02 <lcuk> RevdKathy, how did you cure mp3isms
Nov 30 20:05:53 <RevdKathy> what are mp3ism? Do you take lemsip?
Nov 30 20:06:08 <Myrtti> huurrrrr, don't talk about lemsip
Nov 30 20:08:16 <lcuk> RevdKathy, you could not play mp3s
Nov 30 20:08:24 <lcuk> and no, i havent had lemsip in a few hours
Nov 30 20:08:28 <RevdKathy> I installed the codecs
Nov 30 20:08:49 <RevdKathy> ask the bear :-)
Nov 30 20:08:52 <RevdKathy> http://www.revdkathy.com/wordpress/?p=25
Nov 30 20:09:03 * lcuk asked the bear
Nov 30 20:10:22 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk,  how do i cd to a linux folder with spaces?
Nov 30 20:10:43 <w00t> escape\ the\ spaces\ with\ slashes
Nov 30 20:10:47 <lcuk> reformat your drive and ensure you don't include spaces next time.
Nov 30 20:10:50 <NooBmonk3y> ty!
Nov 30 20:10:56 <NooBmonk3y> its the external hdd lol
Nov 30 20:11:34 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, easier to degauss then I suppose.
Nov 30 20:11:51 <Myrtti> NooBmonk3y: or quotes
Nov 30 20:12:00 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk,  erm http://gitorious.org/healthcheck/healthcheckv3/trees/master
Nov 30 20:12:09 <NooBmonk3y> seems to be missing alot though
Nov 30 20:12:13 <NooBmonk3y> so i need to work on that!
Nov 30 20:12:25 <Myrtti> NooBmonk3y: or start typing the name and use tabulator to autofill ;-)
Nov 30 20:12:29 <NooBmonk3y> ahhhh
Nov 30 20:12:33 * NooBmonk3y likes that word!
Nov 30 20:12:39 <NooBmonk3y> tabulator... genius
Nov 30 20:12:55 <Myrtti> works on IRC too usually ;-)
Nov 30 20:13:02 <centoslinux> does Meego repo have libdvdcss?
Nov 30 20:15:02 <adeus> no
Nov 30 20:15:19 <centoslinux> ':(
Nov 30 20:15:45 * lcuk looks at hc on his netbook
Nov 30 20:16:28 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, qsystemdeviceinfo.h qsysteminfo.h
Nov 30 20:16:31 <lcuk> which lib are they from?
Nov 30 20:16:44 <NooBmonk3y> lol youve noticed my cheating ;)
Nov 30 20:17:15 <NooBmonk3y> things like <QSystemInfo> does not work for me, so i stole the header files and used them directly in my project folder ;)
Nov 30 20:17:30 <NooBmonk3y> from qt mobility systeminfo
Nov 30 20:18:29 <lcuk> ok lemme see now, someone has built preliminary qtmobility 1.1 package for meego
Nov 30 20:18:38 <xMOLATZEN-DUx> aupa,
Nov 30 20:18:39 * lcuk tries to remember who and which obs its on
Nov 30 20:18:40 <NooBmonk3y> ooo yay
Nov 30 20:18:52 <lcuk> Bostik, !!
Nov 30 20:19:00 <lcuk> pingles
Nov 30 20:20:19 <lcuk> w00t, your latest blog post isnt about indentation its about code flow
Nov 30 20:20:54 <Myrtti> hrm.
Nov 30 20:23:52 <lcuk> ov 22 15:44:54 <Bostik>	but anyhow... as part of work we needed qt-mobility 1.1 on meego; I took the .spec from 1.0.2 and modified it enough to get packages built from 1.1
Nov 30 20:24:03 <lcuk> but damn, no mentioend of where it was stored
Nov 30 20:28:44 <Bostik> oi
Nov 30 20:29:01 <lcuk> Yo! Bostik \o hiya
Nov 30 20:29:13 <lcuk> and hi AndyBleaden how is the other end of manchester doing?
Nov 30 20:29:14 <Bostik> lcuk: I'll try to find a location for it tomorrow, probably put it up on gitorious
Nov 30 20:29:22 <lcuk> awesome stuff dude :)
Nov 30 20:29:33 <Bostik> been far too busy to even consider anything other than pure work
Nov 30 20:29:34 <AndyBleaden> bleaden is bleedin freezin
Nov 30 20:29:45 <lcuk> Bostik, yeah everyone has
Nov 30 20:29:50 <lcuk> and the snow does not help
Nov 30 20:29:51 <AndyBleaden> lcuk, damn cold up here in the peak district
Nov 30 20:30:04 <lcuk> yeah we have snow too :)
Nov 30 20:30:17 <Bostik> lcuk: spent yesterday in Helsinki, again on Thursday... 2h+ each way
Nov 30 20:30:32 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, once I find out, I will test out healthcheck on the ideapad :)
Nov 30 20:30:37 <AndyBleaden> lcuk, luckily I was working from home again
Nov 30 20:30:45 <lcuk> Bostik, thats not that bad then at only 2 hours
Nov 30 20:30:53 <NooBmonk3y> lol lcuk it will fail :P
Nov 30 20:30:57 <lcuk> i think I got it down to 6 hours house to hotel now
Nov 30 20:31:01 <NooBmonk3y> haven't sorted out all the ifdef maemos yet
Nov 30 20:31:03 <AndyBleaden> lcuk, so I could stay and watch winter wonderland .......
Nov 30 20:31:17 <NooBmonk3y> just trying to package the bugger before i move on
Nov 30 20:31:18 <AndyBleaden> lcuk, helsinki must have been nice
Nov 30 20:31:19 <Bostik> lcuk: when my usual "trip" to work is the distance from bedroom to study, it sure is ;)
Nov 30 20:31:26 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, thats ok i just want to see how a "complex" qt application copes with coming from maemo
Nov 30 20:31:41 <NooBmonk3y> good point
Nov 30 20:31:46 <NooBmonk3y> it has maemo specifics though :p
Nov 30 20:31:49 <NooBmonk3y> still *
Nov 30 20:31:54 <NooBmonk3y> until i change them all to mobility etc
Nov 30 20:32:05 <NooBmonk3y> worth trying i spose
Nov 30 20:32:10 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, thats ok, relaly
Nov 30 20:32:16 <lcuk> really *
Nov 30 20:33:05 * lcuk wonders when Miniature will come over and maesheep 
Nov 30 20:33:08 <NooBmonk3y> hmmm would  /home/greg/ be noexec?
Nov 30 20:33:19 <NooBmonk3y> trying to figure out why my rules file will not run :|
Nov 30 20:33:21 <lcuk> i will execute you if you like
Nov 30 20:33:34 * lcuk will wear splash proof clothes
Nov 30 20:33:43 <NooBmonk3y> i wonder if nokia will give me an ideapad? :0
Nov 30 20:33:45 <thiago_home> NooBmonk3y: what error do you get?
Nov 30 20:33:57 <NooBmonk3y> Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474.
Nov 30 20:33:57 <NooBmonk3y> Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 13
Nov 30 20:34:29 <Bostik> and debian/rules is +x ?
Nov 30 20:34:50 <NooBmonk3y> yup
Nov 30 20:34:56 <Bostik> (wouldn't be the first time it's dropped with 0644 mode from a broken source package)
Nov 30 20:35:19 <thiago_home> NooBmonk3y: anything in dmesg?
Nov 30 20:35:24 <NooBmonk3y> ?!
Nov 30 20:35:42 <thiago_home> NooBmonk3y: if debian/rules is a script, what is the script interpreter?
Nov 30 20:36:49 <msvb> Seems that building kernel-netbook takes about 70 minutes on the ideapad.
Nov 30 20:37:08 <NooBmonk3y> thiago, no idea lol its in qt creator when packaging for the device
Nov 30 20:40:01 <MohammadAG> does uboot take normal vmlinuz files?
Nov 30 20:40:33 <ali1234> no
Nov 30 20:40:38 <MohammadAG> thiago_home, perl, afaik
Nov 30 20:41:22 <Bostik> NooBmonk3y: what does "head -n 1 debian/rules" say?
Nov 30 20:41:25 <Ford_Prefect> MohammadAG: it takes a uImage file which is basically vmlinuz with some additional header information, including a checksum
Nov 30 20:41:43 <MohammadAG> k, I guess I'll have to use dd for that
Nov 30 20:41:46 <ali1234> actually it's not like zImage - it has no decompressor code
Nov 30 20:41:55 <Ford_Prefect> There's an mkimage script in the u-boot sources iirc
Nov 30 20:42:22 <ali1234> you're supposed to run it on a uncompressed kernel, although i think it can handle zImage too
Nov 30 20:42:37 <MohammadAG> I thought meego's kernels weren't zImages
Nov 30 20:42:38 <ali1234> if you have mkimage installed you can just do "make uImage" in the kernel tree
Nov 30 20:42:41 <NooBmonk3y> Bostik,  #!/usr/bin/make -f
Nov 30 20:42:45 <MohammadAG> (i.e, this, meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.0.99.0.20101001.1-vmlinuz-2.6.35.3-8.7-n900
Nov 30 20:42:59 <ali1234> vmlinuz is the same as zImage afaik
Nov 30 20:43:17 <Bostik> okay, that is at it should be then
Nov 30 20:43:23 <Ford_Prefect> I grow rusty :|
Nov 30 20:43:40 <berndhs> Bostik: so it is whatever you say it is
Nov 30 20:45:04 <NooBmonk3y> :|
Nov 30 20:45:06 <Bostik> berndhs: not really, but debian/rules is an executable makefile and that's the standard shebang for it
Nov 30 20:45:31 <berndhs> right if you put #!/bin/sh there its a shell script
Nov 30 20:46:00 * NooBmonk3y is still confuuuuused
Nov 30 20:46:08 <berndhs> its a makefile because it says so in the first line
Nov 30 20:46:21 <MohammadAG> ali1234, which partitions does the kernel have to be on?
Nov 30 20:46:26 <MohammadAG> partition even
Nov 30 20:46:49 <MohammadAG> actually, ignore that, where's uboot's documentation?
Nov 30 20:47:18 <Bostik> ummmmm, no... if you change the shebang to #!/bin/sh you have a makefile that will be run with /bin/sh and naturally fail
Nov 30 20:47:28 <ali1234> u-boot documentation is the source, pretty much
Nov 30 20:47:40 <NooBmonk3y> what i dont get is... it is executable, ie i double click and it asks me to run it......
Nov 30 20:47:43 <ali1234> kernel can be anywhere you want, just edit the boot scripts (compiled into u-boot_
Nov 30 20:47:48 <NooBmonk3y> it has read and write access.....
Nov 30 20:48:02 <berndhs> usually the first line #!/foo/bar means run the program /foo/bar on the content of this file
Nov 30 20:48:06 <NooBmonk3y> ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Nov 30 20:48:12 * NooBmonk3y has possibly figured this out!
Nov 30 20:48:44 <ali1234> the default scripts look for uImage on partition 3 or a boot.scr on partition 1
Nov 30 20:48:58 <ali1234> boot.scr can have any custom commands in it that you want, without recompiling
Nov 30 20:49:13 <ali1234> it's just a textfile run through mkimage again
Nov 30 20:49:22 <NooBmonk3y> i moved the project from a non-exec place, i think there is legacy folder names in the project!
Nov 30 20:49:33 <NooBmonk3y> just looking through
Nov 30 20:50:18 <ali1234> all the scripts are in include/configs/nokia_rx51.h
Nov 30 20:50:19 <NooBmonk3y> Muhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaha!
Nov 30 20:50:20 <NooBmonk3y> it runs
Nov 30 20:50:23 <NooBmonk3y> thank you alls :)
Nov 30 21:02:28 <msvb> Does anybody know why ACPI resume sometimes crashes?
Nov 30 21:02:38 <msvb> …on Meego 1.1 that is.
Nov 30 21:02:51 <msvb> …Netbook ideapad.
Nov 30 21:04:28 <msvb> There was some discussion chez Ubuntu about that, and the bug they had was solved by the Linux kernel 2.6.35.16.
Nov 30 21:04:42 <msvb> …So I guess I'll keep on trying to build a newer kernel than on repo.
Nov 30 21:07:06 <lcuk> msvb, did you give it upto 5 minutes to actually try and come back to life
Nov 30 21:07:23 <lcuk> theres been a few times i have cursed, then looked back around and its come back waiting for password eventually
Nov 30 21:07:34 <msvb> Probably not, I don't remember. Maybe so.
Nov 30 21:07:51 <msvb> So you recommend just waiting a long time, okay I'll try that.
Nov 30 21:08:06 <msvb> lcuk: But do you even know about the problem I'm describing?
Nov 30 21:08:20 <msvb> lcuck: Have you ever slept the netbook and not been able to wake it?
Nov 30 21:08:27 <lcuk> well people experience it not resuming after reopning lid
Nov 30 21:08:52 <msvb> Yes that's what I'm talking about. But I don't know how long I've waited.
Nov 30 21:08:53 <Shapeshifter> huh
Nov 30 21:09:39 <Shapeshifter> I see some people complain about how "meego is dead" and that there's nothing much about it. Wth is this. It's not even shipped on devices yet, is it?
Nov 30 21:09:55 <Shapeshifter> there's not even much of a purpose to running it on anything yet, is there.
Nov 30 21:10:18 <Shapeshifter> Why are they complaining?
Nov 30 21:10:19 <Termana> morning
Nov 30 21:11:26 <tripzero> Shapeshifter, maybe they think meego is "dead" because it isn't yet on a device?
Nov 30 21:12:16 <Shapeshifter> tripzero: http://www.techeye.net/software/nokias-meego-is-doomed
Nov 30 21:12:50 <CosmoHill> do they say that meego will be doomed if the N9 fails?
Nov 30 21:14:07 <lcuk> msvb, it just took ~2 minutes from reopening lid to coming back to password
Nov 30 21:14:10 <lcuk> well outside the norml
Nov 30 21:17:19 <CosmoHill> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-11873593
Nov 30 21:17:54 <lcuk> CosmoHill, "meanwhile, in finland"
Nov 30 21:18:01 <CosmoHill> lols
Nov 30 21:18:27 <CosmoHill> I'm not in finland and the army and navy is a very important part of my own
Nov 30 21:20:22 <berndhs> is meego doomed again, or still ? I lose track
Nov 30 21:21:59 <CosmoHill> every day of the week that is a prime number
Nov 30 21:23:23 <tripzero> Shapeshifter, just read the article.  the short: meego is doomed because it's not mature
Nov 30 21:24:22 <tripzero> he alluded to the n9 being delayed
Nov 30 21:24:46 <tripzero> he noted that developers complain a lot
Nov 30 21:25:25 <tripzero> ...which is probably more of a "developers are more vocal about problems than they are complimentary"
Nov 30 21:25:35 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk, i've baffled lint and x-fade in one go, this not be good for healthcheck ;)
Nov 30 21:25:37 <tripzero> phenomena
Nov 30 21:26:27 <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, ok your healthcheck did not pass this round, but you made a start and you have it on git now and know more than you did before :)
Nov 30 21:26:40 <NooBmonk3y> hahaha no idea how to update it, oh well ;)
Nov 30 21:27:04 <lcuk> git commit -m "blah";  git push;     afaik :P
Nov 30 21:27:32 <lcuk> but those nice cheatsheets I linked to earlier will help
Nov 30 21:28:18 <ali1234> they had a U2 tribute band? seriously?
Nov 30 21:28:41 <MohammadAG> ali1234, I'm getting wrong image format on the second kernel I converted with mkimage
Nov 30 21:28:53 <ali1234> what about the first?
Nov 30 21:29:01 <MohammadAG> it worked fine
Nov 30 21:29:07 <ali1234> so, what's the difference?
Nov 30 21:29:54 <MohammadAG> was hoping you could tell me :P
Nov 30 21:30:08 <ali1234> well there must be some difference, where did you get the kernels from?
Nov 30 21:30:10 <lcuk> ali1234, personally I think it was really bono :O
Nov 30 21:30:22 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk,  gui's ftw
Nov 30 21:30:42 <MohammadAG> ali1234, *.meego.com
Nov 30 21:30:53 <GAN900> lcuk, U2 is bad, but not THAT bad.
Nov 30 21:31:50 <ali1234> MohammadAG: ok, and which ones?
Nov 30 21:32:23 <MohammadAG> ali1234, I PM'd you a link
Nov 30 21:42:56 <npm> now we need qtmobility furry-touch support :-) http://www.techeye.net/hardware/scientists-develop-furry-touchscreen
Nov 30 21:43:53 <NooBmonk3y> npm, genius
Nov 30 21:44:38 <npm> i bet the first product using this isn't going to be a pet cat of the feline variety
Nov 30 21:51:00 <npm> it's basically like the n900's proximity sensor (an ir led and sensor pair) except there's one for each fiber-optic
Nov 30 21:52:13 <npm> which would actually be an interesting way of doing a touchscreen (multi&pressure) -- optical
Nov 30 21:53:56 * NooBmonk3y has run out of ideas :(
Nov 30 21:54:43 <CosmoHill> NooBmonk3y: then drink more
Nov 30 21:55:17 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk, found the sensors package i think? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libqtm-sensors/1.0.0-beta1-maemo1/
Nov 30 21:56:21 <NooBmonk3y> package removed :P
Nov 30 21:56:22 <NooBmonk3y> lol
Nov 30 21:56:38 <NooBmonk3y> so they removed the old qtm.... with sensors, added a new one, without........
Nov 30 21:57:57 <NooBmonk3y> http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-sensors/
Nov 30 21:58:00 <NooBmonk3y> ooo maybe not
Nov 30 21:58:02 <NooBmonk3y> they are there!
Nov 30 22:16:05 <CosmoHill> NooBmonk3y: see, he has an idea
Nov 30 22:16:42 <NooBmonk3y> CosmoHill, ?
Nov 30 22:17:20 <CosmoHill> [22:07]  * lcuk_idea (~lcuk@stuff.virginmedia.com) has joined #meego
Nov 30 22:17:34 <NooBmonk3y> loL!
Nov 30 22:17:40 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk 's ideas involve bacon
Nov 30 22:17:54 <CosmoHill> only the tasty ones
Nov 30 22:18:07 <NooBmonk3y> lcuk_idea, http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-dev/ does not include http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-sensors/ is my theory......
Nov 30 22:20:37 <CosmoHill> anyone on msn using adium?
Nov 30 22:30:17 <Shapeshifter> meego handset dialer works on the n900?
Nov 30 22:30:19 <MohammadAG> is there any SDK out for meego yet?
Nov 30 22:30:46 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, yes, last one I tried was 1.0.99, it output audio through loudspeakers though
Nov 30 22:30:53 <Shapeshifter> at least from the 1.1 description, it sounds like meego would be usable on the n900. Problems? I'm guessing battery and/or performance
Nov 30 22:30:59 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: mhh
Nov 30 22:31:27 <odin_> MohammadAG,  sure... what is your development platform? and what do you want to develop?   MeeGo itself, Qt GUI application ?
Nov 30 22:31:33 <MohammadAG> it's usable, I'd prefer M5 for 911 though :)
Nov 30 22:32:00 <Shapeshifter> 911?
Nov 30 22:32:07 <MohammadAG> Ubuntu, I usually like to have a look at all aspects of an OS, so both:P
Nov 30 22:32:58 <Shapeshifter> I can't seem to find the application repos for meego. Doesn't rpm stuff have browsable repos?
Nov 30 22:33:47 <berndhs> Shapeshifter: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/
Nov 30 22:34:15 <Shapeshifter> berndhs: thank you
Nov 30 22:35:19 <odin_> MohammadAG, http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux  and for Qt application lookup "Qt Creator"
Nov 30 22:36:29 <MohammadAG> I have Qt Creator, I'm assuming there's a target I need to install?
Nov 30 22:37:11 <MohammadAG> nvm, found it in the link, thanks :)
Nov 30 22:38:11 * CosmoHill beats MSN with a branch until it connects
Nov 30 22:38:53 <CosmoHill> brb
Nov 30 23:08:28 <berndhs> anyone know how to set the camera for cheese to something outlandish like /dev/video0 ?
Nov 30 23:09:03 <thiago_home> outlandish
Nov 30 23:09:04 <thiago_home> :-)
Nov 30 23:09:11 <berndhs> yeah
Dec 01 00:39:05 <hlzxy> moring
Dec 01 00:39:12 <CosmoHill> hi
Dec 01 00:41:37 <hlzxy> anybody use 'build' to create 1.1 rpm on ubuntu?
Dec 01 00:41:59 <CosmoHill> you mean the MeeGo SDK?
Dec 01 00:42:49 <hlzxy> no,just 'build' rpm package with src.rpm without obs
Dec 01 00:43:31 <CosmoHill> in theory you should be able to as long as all the dependancies of that RPM are met and you are able to compile rpms
Dec 01 00:43:42 <CosmoHill> by default ubuntu doesn't support rpm so you will have to install stuff
Dec 01 00:47:06 <hlzxy> em,something go well , 'build' will  create a build system to build them ,so that may be not the ploblem
Dec 01 00:53:04 <berndhs_meego> what does the problem look like ?
Dec 01 01:02:54 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:'rpm verify failed'
Dec 01 01:03:06 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:the error.
Dec 01 01:03:27 <berndhs_meego> thats nbot too bad, it probably built the rpm, just finds something wrong with it
Dec 01 01:03:49 <berndhs_meego> so at least it looks like you have all the tools to make it
Dec 01 01:05:13 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:I don't know,I can build version 1.0
Dec 01 01:05:59 <berndhs_meego> a bunch of names changed, and naming standards, from 1.0 to 1.1
Dec 01 01:06:15 <berndhs_meego> so the verify perhaps checks those things
Dec 01 01:06:28 <berndhs_meego> but i'm just guessing
Dec 01 01:07:29 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:yes, but the same command can work on fedora,so that may be not the problem.
Dec 01 01:07:56 <berndhs_meego> the naming on meego is different than on fedora for 1.1
Dec 01 01:09:29 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:em, what should I do?
Dec 01 01:10:10 <berndhs_meego> try to get more detailed error messages than "verify failed"
Dec 01 01:10:26 <berndhs_meego> find out what it doesn't like about the rpm that it just made
Dec 01 01:11:59 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:thanks ,I will go on finding..
Dec 01 01:12:17 <berndhs_meego> you can put edbug messages in some parts of the .spec file
Dec 01 01:12:49 <berndhs_meego> where it looks like normal shell commands, you can print out messages
Dec 01 01:14:57 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:seems diffcult.how I  can put debug messages,  you mean  add some message in  .spec file?
Dec 01 01:15:05 <berndhs_meego> yes
Dec 01 01:15:16 <berndhs_meego> where it says things like "make install"
Dec 01 01:15:28 <berndhs_meego> you can echo some interesting stuff
Dec 01 01:15:38 <berndhs_meego> to see what its doing, where it is putting things
Dec 01 01:16:00 <berndhs_meego> but that may not be the problem in your case
Dec 01 01:18:37 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego: could you give me some sentences for that ,I really don't how to write it and where put it
Dec 01 01:18:55 <CosmoHill> cyas
Dec 01 01:19:07 <berndhs_meego> night
Dec 01 01:19:55 <berndhs_meego> look for the sections %build and %install and %setup
Dec 01 01:20:08 <berndhs_meego> there you see normal shell commands
Dec 01 01:20:21 <berndhs_meego> like "make" or "install"
Dec 01 01:20:30 <berndhs_meego> you can put any shell command there that you want
Dec 01 01:20:48 <berndhs_meego> those parts are just shell scripts
Dec 01 01:21:19 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego: em , I see them
Dec 01 01:21:55 <berndhs_meego> but like I said, this may not have anuything to do with your problem
Dec 01 01:22:08 <berndhs_meego> it looks like it finishes the building of the rpm
Dec 01 01:23:42 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego: no,  I think the problem in start of build because of  just one dependency  loades
Dec 01 01:24:30 <berndhs_meego> hmm i thought it failed on verify
Dec 01 01:24:41 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego: and then it show 'verify failed' , nothing loaded down
Dec 01 01:26:17 <berndhs_meego> hard to tell without seeing it
Dec 01 01:30:02 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:  could you see http://pastebin.mozilla.org/871675  please
Dec 01 01:31:10 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:  that is the information when the command run
Dec 01 01:31:33 <berndhs_meego> oh i see
Dec 01 01:31:51 <berndhs_meego> yes you're right it is complaining about the downloaded rpm, not the one you are building
Dec 01 01:33:33 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:  have any idea about it?
Dec 01 01:34:17 <berndhs_meego> no it doesnt say anything about whats wrong
Dec 01 01:34:37 <berndhs_meego> what is acl ?
Dec 01 01:35:57 <berndhs_meego> access control lists, i wonder why bison needs that
Dec 01 01:37:04 <berndhs_meego> oh wait i missed something
Dec 01 01:37:33 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:what'mean?
Dec 01 01:38:12 <berndhs_meego> it says /usr/sbin/qemu-binfmt-conf.sh is missing
Dec 01 01:38:26 <berndhs_meego> don't know what that is, but its not there apparently
Dec 01 01:39:51 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:I see it  so many times ,and can not find it anywhere,so I ignore it ,because also the warning when build version 1.0
Dec 01 01:41:18 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:and I also want to know the role of it
Dec 01 01:44:08 <berndhs_meego> i didnt know you could do a cross-build with these tools
Dec 01 01:44:17 <berndhs_meego> for another architecture
Dec 01 01:44:35 <berndhs_meego> this is running on an intel architecture, right ?
Dec 01 01:45:06 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:right
Dec 01 01:45:26 <berndhs_meego> and the only thing different is that its for meego 1.1
Dec 01 01:45:29 <berndhs_meego> so...
Dec 01 01:46:19 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:em..
Dec 01 01:47:21 <berndhs_meego> maybe the rpm for acl is just bad
Dec 01 01:47:30 <berndhs_meego> i dont know how to test that
Dec 01 01:48:50 <berndhs_meego> or maybe the rpm is not signed
Dec 01 01:48:57 <berndhs_meego> could be something silly like that
Dec 01 01:50:15 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:I will try to  donwload it first.
Dec 01 01:50:36 <berndhs_meego> you have an arm machine wehre you can test it ? that would be worth trying
Dec 01 01:51:55 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:I can works on othe host,so it may have no problem..but I will try in the simulator.
Dec 01 01:52:51 <berndhs_meego> could be just checksum of signature of hte acl thing
Dec 01 01:54:03 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:I have no idea,
Dec 01 01:54:10 <berndhs_meego> me neithre
Dec 01 01:58:23 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:I download it first, and when the command run ,it skip that package loading to the next package,and also failed,so it could not load   packages
Dec 01 01:58:40 <berndhs_meego> ah
Dec 01 01:59:00 <berndhs_meego> so its not that package in particular, its any package, apparently
Dec 01 02:00:13 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:yeah ,maybe   'rpm --import  key' have somehing wrong.  I failed to import it anyway now
Dec 01 02:00:37 <berndhs_meego> yes quite possible
Dec 01 02:02:11 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:but it is also that  on other hosts,why they can build normal.
Dec 01 02:02:57 <berndhs_meego> setup or environment on this host could be bad
Dec 01 02:03:06 <berndhs_meego> it is complaining about that early on
Dec 01 02:03:48 <berndhs_meego> when it asks to rebuild it, maybe something is not complete
Dec 01 02:04:56 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:looks right
Dec 01 02:07:48 <ezjd> I am requesting to create community OBS account. Is lbt online? or Can I just email him?
Dec 01 02:09:48 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:I remove the build-root , and it will not  ask that,so that not complete  is  just not  complete 'clean'last time ,it stop at the start
Dec 01 02:10:52 <berndhs_meego> i'm lost on that one hizxy, I dont remember how "build" has to be installed
Dec 01 02:13:15 <hlzxy> berndhs_meego:  thanks anyway  :)
Dec 01 02:13:29 <berndhs_meego> i only installed it once, on a fedora machine that's gone now
Dec 01 02:21:01 <berndhs> anyone know why the /etc/rpm/macros.qt4 file isn't there on meego ?
Dec 01 02:29:16 <hlzxy> copyleft: online?
Dec 01 02:48:03 <Jun> hallo
Dec 01 02:51:15 <Jun> On the obs manual, I can't use http://IP and actually also can't see the portnumber 81 or 82 through netstat -antuwp | egrep "(^[^t])|(^tcp.*LISTEN)"
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