**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 01 02:59:57 2010 Dec 01 03:00:48 Jun: is lighttpd running? Dec 01 03:01:18 csj:hi Dec 01 03:02:20 seems like.. Dec 01 03:02:32 lighttpd 0:off 1:off 2;off 3:on 4:off 5:on 6:off Dec 01 03:02:50 does it mean it's working? Dec 01 03:03:59 Jun: on Opensuse? rclighttpd restart get any errors? Dec 01 03:04:35 well, it might be openSUSE based. Dec 01 03:05:13 yes.... it's getting an error at 'Starting lighttpd' Dec 01 03:05:17 it's failed. Dec 01 03:06:07 but successed at my second try Dec 01 03:08:01 I don't know if this vmx is really working though somebody says yes Dec 01 03:10:46 hola! Dec 01 03:11:21 or not Dec 01 03:16:32 Texrat, its the middle of the night! Dec 01 03:16:47 * lcuk is only awake because of flu Dec 01 03:57:03 is there a wish list for packages? or do I file a bug for each one that I would like in core ? Dec 01 03:57:13 and deal with the rejection Dec 01 04:01:00 here you go berndhs: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2020 Dec 01 04:01:22 Texrat: thanks Dec 01 04:02:33 actually i'm doing the same thing Dec 01 04:02:52 putting stuff in my home: so later they can be promoted, and I can have them now Dec 01 05:06:41 hello Dec 01 05:06:59 how can i gain access to https://build.pub.meego.com Dec 01 05:18:27 iedey: you can ask lbt for it Dec 01 05:40:55 timoph: thanks Dec 01 06:15:57 when I remove /usr/lib/madde ,and remove meego-sdk on fedora,I want to install again ,how could I do,It show error:/usr/sbin/mad-admin: line 23: /usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/madlib/madlib.sh: No such file or directory Dec 01 06:20:40 hi does anyone know if the meego-netbook live image supports Atheros network cards Dec 01 06:24:06 I remove /usr/lib/madde ,and remove meego-sdk on fedora,and I cannot install again, help me. Dec 01 06:31:20 wintige: seems like mad-admin is trying to use those files you removed.. Dec 01 06:37:18 tcs-meego: using a live image would be the best way to find out http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook Dec 01 06:37:53 Jay_BEE: well i am downloading one.. Dec 01 06:39:19 awesome.. I see references to success with Atheros on the forums Dec 01 06:40:40 oh good.. 50% downloaded.. i am on a rather slow network Dec 01 06:40:49 timoph: i am trying a way ,seems ok Dec 01 06:56:39 morn lbt, did you manage to survive the cold? Dec 01 07:08:34 morning, Stskeeps Dec 01 07:08:52 morn copyleft Dec 01 07:12:55 Stskeeps:hi Dec 01 07:13:44 hi Dec 01 07:15:43 Stskeeps: qemu-arm in fedora must be statically linked ,and I see it on ubuntu , it's dynamically link ,, could you tell me why? Dec 01 07:16:44 stupid packaging, probably Dec 01 07:16:45 file a bug Dec 01 07:17:54 Stskeeps:what'mean? Dec 01 07:18:06 means that it was packaged in a bad way in ubuntu Dec 01 07:18:13 it should be statically linked or it's partly useless Dec 01 07:23:25 Stskeeps: em ,understand, thanks Dec 01 07:48:26 how do i turn on the ssh on a meego netbook live image Dec 01 07:49:50 I reinstall a meego sdk ,and can not open qt-creator ,anybody know it Dec 01 07:50:19 tcs-meego: ensure that sshd is installed and running Dec 01 07:50:21 tcs-meego: that's all Dec 01 07:50:25 wintige: what was the error? Dec 01 07:50:45 thiago_home: i dont think sshd is running Dec 01 07:51:08 tcs-meego: then run it Dec 01 07:51:15 thiago_home: i dont see sshd in init.d Dec 01 07:51:37 tcs-meego: then it isn't installed. Install it. Dec 01 07:51:51 thiago_home: ok Dec 01 07:51:52 thiago_home:QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current GTK+ theme. Qt: Session management error: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator: symbol lookup error: /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator: undefined symbol: _Z34QBasicAtomicInt_fetchAndAddOrderedPVii Dec 01 07:52:17 that last one is a build error Dec 01 07:52:37 hmm... what version of Qt does your distribution have? Dec 01 07:53:57 is there a file called /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/lib/libQtCore.so.4 ? Dec 01 07:55:03 thiago_home: no Dec 01 07:55:53 can you find a libQtCore.so.4 somewhere in /opt/meego ? Dec 01 07:56:25 thiago_home: no. Dec 01 07:56:44 there has to be one for it to work Dec 01 07:56:50 how did you install that Qt Creator? Dec 01 07:57:29 thiago_home: I install it with meego-sdk, what lead this? Dec 01 07:58:21 did you follow the instructions in the wiki? Or did you force the installation of anything? Dec 01 07:59:30 thiago_home: may be, I don't know ,,I try again. Dec 01 08:16:12 thiago_home: I failed again. Dec 01 08:19:08 thiago_home: I failed at step import the key Dec 01 08:33:43 Will you be able to login as root on the smartphone? Dec 01 08:57:05 hi all is there a terminal zypper type command that lists all installed packages Dec 01 08:58:36 rpm -qa Dec 01 08:58:56 Stskeeps, ta very much Dec 01 09:00:59 how do i install sshd on meego netbook live image? Dec 01 09:01:04 running on the netbook Dec 01 09:01:07 Morning, all Dec 01 09:01:53 tcs-meego: zypper in openssh-server Dec 01 09:02:06 stskeeps: thanks Dec 01 09:02:40 is zypper the pkg-tool of choice in meego? that is - not yum? Dec 01 09:03:09 yum is in fedora... zypper is in meego Dec 01 09:03:42 tyson_: zypper's way faster, so Dec 01 09:03:46 Stskeeps: morning, teacher... Dec 01 09:03:48 yum is in most things redhat derivative IIRC, but fair enough, zypper it is then. :) Dec 01 09:06:54 I reinstall meego-sdk ,and find QT could not work,anybody know it? Dec 01 09:07:13 ./meego-sdk-qtcreator:QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current GTK+ theme. Qt: Session management error: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator: symbol lookup error: /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator: undefined symbol: _Z34QBasicAtomicInt_fetchAndAddOrderedPVii Dec 01 09:08:57 thiago_home: that file can be found now Dec 01 09:09:40 if i want to add package group to my meego imatge, should i write .xml file for define the package group in my repo? Dec 01 09:09:49 wintige: does it start? Dec 01 09:09:52 or still the same error? Dec 01 09:10:18 thiago_home: could not start the same error Dec 01 09:10:24 tyson_: createrepo take a '-g' parameter for those xml yes Dec 01 09:10:28 can you ldd /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator | grep QtCore ? Dec 01 09:11:40 thiago_home: ldd /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator | grep QtCore shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory libQtCore.so.4 => /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4 (0x023e7000) Dec 01 09:11:56 wintige: huh... first of all cd somewhere Dec 01 09:12:14 it's picking up the wrong QtCore Dec 01 09:12:18 Stskeeps: createrepo -d myrepo -g xxxx? Dec 01 09:12:31 can you pastebin the result of: objdump -p /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator ? Dec 01 09:12:43 tyson_: right Dec 01 09:13:49 Hi. Guys, where can I configurate LAN in meego? It just doesn't want to see my ethernet. WiFi is available, but a wire... Dec 01 09:13:56 thiago_home: yes ,http://pastebin.mozilla.org/872116 Dec 01 09:14:52 wintige: where did you say the other libQtCore is? Dec 01 09:16:16 Stskeeps: for example, if i had a package group named "helloworld", and it include three package like this : hello, testhelio, seehello..what should i do about the command "createrepo"? :) Dec 01 09:16:24 thiago_home: I find one in /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt/lib Dec 01 09:17:56 tyson_: i don't remember right now, sorry Dec 01 09:18:09 surprisingly when i am trying to build using QtCreator i get the message :: error: Cannot open MADDE config file '/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/tools/qt-tools-4.7.0-linux_i686/config.sh'... it doesnt exist.. but why am i getting this error? Dec 01 09:18:45 thiago_home: the directory./opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt didn't conatain the bin directory Dec 01 09:19:59 wintige: well, this is a build error Dec 01 09:20:05 wintige: please report it to bugs.meego.com Dec 01 09:20:34 wintige: include the error message you get, the libQtCore.so.4 line from the ldd output and the readelf output Dec 01 09:20:51 include also the name and version of the distribution you're using Dec 01 09:21:54 Stskeeps: never mind..thank you...i think i need write a .xml file for define the package group with package. and then follow your mean, use the "createrepo" with the option "-g (xml name)"..yes or no? Dec 01 09:22:19 yes Dec 01 09:23:02 thiago_home: really, no other method? Dec 01 09:23:23 ah...i remeber need write the .xml file....so.... Dec 01 09:24:38 wintige: well, yes, but you still have to report the bug to get it fixed Dec 01 09:24:52 wintige: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt/lib Dec 01 09:26:47 thiago_home: I will do it later, and after exporting ,./meego-sdk-qtcreator ./meego-sdk-qtcreator: line 4: meego-sdk-qmake: command not found ./meego-sdk-qtcreator: line 5: meego-sdk-qmake: command not found ./meego-sdk-qtcreator: line 6: meego-sdk-qmake: command not found /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin/qtcreator: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtNetwork.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv Dec 01 09:28:10 thiago_home: I think it lack many things Dec 01 09:30:30 that's the style now Dec 01 09:30:36 try starting qtcreator -style plastique Dec 01 09:30:50 thiago_home: ls Dec 01 09:30:55 ls? Dec 01 09:31:04 thiago_home: wrong window... Dec 01 09:32:39 thiago_home:not work. Dec 01 09:37:11 thiago_home:I have create target,.. is that ok? Dec 01 09:37:12 ok, please report the issue Dec 01 09:37:18 what distribution are you running this on? Dec 01 09:37:47 thiago_home:sorry ,I haven't create target,.. is that ok? Dec 01 09:38:03 what target? Dec 01 09:39:52 thiago_home:mad-admin create -f meego-handset-ia32-1.1 Dec 01 09:40:01 follow the instructions to the letter Dec 01 09:40:52 thiago_home:I think qt can run before do it ,,right? Dec 01 09:41:23 it's a bug Dec 01 09:41:26 have you reported already? Dec 01 09:42:15 thiago_home:no.. Dec 01 09:42:42 what distribution are you running this on? Dec 01 09:44:42 thiago_home:you mean my host? fedora13 Dec 01 09:44:56 yes, thanks Dec 01 09:45:02 it should be supported, so please report Dec 01 09:46:45 where can i get 'qt-tools-4.7.0-linux_i686/config.sh'. It seems to have gone and is stopping my build Dec 01 09:51:40 sorry people was pointing to the wrong qmake Dec 01 09:53:27 thiago:I think I should do it carefully,and report it at the end , I often make some error for myself , Dec 01 10:00:25 I just have a meego live image running on a netbook with openssh-server running on it.. I configured it as a device succesfully in qt-creator and am getting no errors on hitting RUN for the project. How do i see the screen on the netbook.. I cant see any popup on the meego netbook Dec 01 10:08:00 greeting Dec 01 10:08:10 s Dec 01 10:09:10 hello . i am trying to create meego image to install it to nand of n900 means ubi image. i get following errors ." error: max_leb_cnt too low (4196 needed). any help on this Dec 01 10:09:51 pls Dec 01 10:10:09 Indianlastvendet: the N900 image does not fit in NAND anymore Dec 01 10:10:20 Indianlastvendet: make a -f raw image like we write in our guides Dec 01 10:10:34 error means 'file system too big for image' Dec 01 10:12:37 ooh it means that i will not be able to flash it natively on n900. i will have to use mmc or chroot. right? Dec 01 10:12:58 yes Dec 01 10:13:07 use a microsd like the rest of us poor souls :) Dec 01 10:13:35 hm. I wonder would it be any better with MeeGo http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/30/dell-inspiron-duo-review/ Dec 01 10:15:02 :) thnk you very much folk. just to introduce my self I am yasir new to linux and meego just first time with irc :) Dec 01 10:15:11 good luck with n900 then :) Dec 01 10:16:05 thnks. just purchased week back Dec 01 10:16:23 but enjoying every bit of it Dec 01 10:19:09 meego is nice Dec 01 10:19:30 im running it on my dell mini 1012 Dec 01 10:49:28 Phew Dec 01 10:49:42 had a hard sell defending MeeGo on the lug channel there Dec 01 10:50:14 which one of the discussions, trademark, rpm vs deb, intel teh evil corporation, or? Dec 01 10:50:17 :P{ Dec 01 10:50:32 Stskeeps: the !android one Dec 01 10:50:36 :) Dec 01 10:50:57 Given that most of them are googlers, it wasn't hard to imagine anything else being the basis of it. Dec 01 10:51:09 I think I did well though Dec 01 10:51:38 that techeye article is getting way too much attention Dec 01 10:53:10 yeah Dec 01 10:53:26 the only piece I've seen that was negative about the conf Dec 01 10:53:36 texrats comment was spot on too Dec 01 10:57:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=885600&postcount=63 was my reaction Dec 01 10:58:51 Stskeeps: care to verify bug 10652 ? Dec 01 10:58:54 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10652 nor, Undecided, ---, ville.p.ilvonen, RESO FIXED, Acceptance URLs has a trailing space in them Dec 01 10:59:44 vilvo: yes, if you'll take a look at http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Handset/Key%20Basic%20/N900 too ;) Dec 01 11:01:12 * vilvo so happy when bugs get fixed without "management" and "triaging" Dec 01 11:01:26 Stskeeps: i'm off now. it's time to go home..byebye.. see you. Dec 01 11:01:44 tyson_: bye Dec 01 11:02:03 vilvo: i'm more happy that i without bad conciousness can tell people to report a bug, knowing they'll be handled Dec 01 11:02:13 and not just ignored Dec 01 11:04:18 Stskeeps: I had to reopen #10652, thanks for your input - I really appreciate it and your way to give it Dec 01 11:05:52 should you have defined the title of bug to something like "qa-reports.meego.com URLs have trailing spaces in them" it would have been more generic ;) Dec 01 11:06:08 i just noticed the second one when verifying :) Dec 01 11:36:53 thp: http://meego.com/developers/requirements basically - and bugs.meego.com -> file a bug -> meego features. http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?classification=MeeGo%20Features&query_format=advanced&version=1.2&product=MeeGo%20Core%20OS%20Features for examples Dec 01 11:48:24 Stskeeps: thanks :) Dec 01 11:48:45 Stskeeps: so i can just reassign the bug to features? Dec 01 11:48:57 thp: possibly Dec 01 11:51:04 Stskeeps: "You can't move a bug to a feature product, or a feature to a bug product, unless you are a Feature Administrator or Feature Editor." Dec 01 11:51:17 probably easier to make one then Dec 01 11:57:24 It is not a bug - it's a feature. Dec 01 12:08:32 hi all Dec 01 12:09:00 hey thp Dec 01 12:09:18 morn sivang Dec 01 12:10:02 hey Dec 01 12:14:08 hi Stskeeps , slaine :) Dec 01 12:14:51 Stskeeps: morn Dec 01 12:14:58 Stskeeps: should become IRC's generic hello Dec 01 12:15:02 :) Dec 01 12:15:17 it is Dec 01 12:15:18 ~ugt Dec 01 12:15:18 rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Dec 01 12:16:29 sivang: hey :) Dec 01 12:16:59 thp: how's it going ? Dec 01 12:17:12 haha Dec 01 12:17:17 Chani: ? Dec 01 12:17:25 UGT. :) Dec 01 12:17:32 fine, thanks :) the holidays are "near". how's it going for you? Dec 01 12:18:28 infobot: <3 Dec 01 12:18:29 I love you. <3 Dec 01 12:21:12 hmm thp just went away Dec 01 12:21:16 so I guess ti is late Dec 01 12:21:57 ~botsnack Dec 01 12:21:57 :), sivang Dec 01 12:22:00 ~botsnack Dec 01 12:22:00 hey sivang Dec 01 12:22:04 hey Termana :) Dec 01 12:22:18 don't feed the bot too much, he's been getting a little puffy lately Dec 01 12:22:19 :P Dec 01 12:23:54 thp: oh, there you are, I'm recovering from a very bad flu and throat infection, but otherwise good Dec 01 12:24:06 thp: wish I had some holidays coming :) Dec 01 12:24:19 Termana: well, it's a she no? Dec 01 12:24:46 sivang, err.. I suppose Dec 01 12:24:52 that's what I meant Dec 01 12:24:54 She Dec 01 12:25:12 infobot, hide me Dec 01 12:25:12 * infobot gets a huge black sheet and covers termana with it so that nobody can see what termana is doing! Dec 01 12:26:11 * sivang goes to build a g729 modules for freeswitch Dec 01 12:28:03 thp: there's an app (+ some little framework) I'm working on, but I'm now just researching a good backend. Dec 01 12:30:23 hey Stskeeps .... I shivered myself warm :) Dec 01 12:30:49 hello lbt Dec 01 12:33:35 sitting in Henri's place and playing with community BOSS Dec 01 12:33:38 hey Termana Dec 01 12:33:45 lbt: are you on a finnair flight this time around? Dec 01 12:34:20 (as they're striking) Dec 01 12:42:44 luckily I fly out Finnair and back BA Dec 01 12:42:55 so should be airborne tonight Dec 01 12:54:02 anbaldwi: ping Dec 01 12:54:27 sturvey: pong Dec 01 12:55:00 anbaldwi: Do you have any experience with meego 1.1 handset on qemu? Dec 01 12:55:13 sturvey: no Dec 01 12:55:40 anbaldwi: darn. general shout it is then. Dec 01 12:57:28 lbt: BA had some problems out of Heathrow last night. Dec 01 12:58:27 Jaffa: cargo issues? Dec 01 12:58:48 anbaldwi: arrggh. It's just started working. Dec 01 12:58:50 Jaffa: they had some delayes when I flu with them to dublin, the cargo tunnels jammed and there was a delay Dec 01 12:59:23 Jaffa: also fuel leaked onto a part of the taxi runway contributing to a slight delay afterwards Dec 01 12:59:31 they are great otherwise Dec 01 12:59:32 sivang, so THATS why the ideapads were delayed! Dec 01 12:59:38 lcuk: heh Dec 01 12:59:56 its a series of cargo tunnels Dec 01 13:00:05 ah Dec 01 13:00:43 sivang: Brits are not used to snow Dec 01 13:00:54 bunk: oh they aren't? Dec 01 13:01:00 I was sure they were Dec 01 13:01:32 sivang, we are used to stopping when it snows Dec 01 13:01:47 http://www.heathrowairport.com/portal/page/Heathrow%5EGeneral%5EOur%20business%20and%20community%5EMedia%20centre%5EPress%20releases%5EResults/7d31c2264879c210VgnVCM20000039821c0a____/a22889d8759a0010VgnVCM200000357e120a____/ Dec 01 13:02:03 lcuk: heh, like when it drops a bit here :) Dec 01 13:02:11 lcuk: everything stands still for a couple of rain drops Dec 01 13:02:39 sivang: we even stockpiled 20 kilotonnes of salt in London to make sure the humilation was complete when the completely predictable snow finally fell. Dec 01 13:03:34 hey how can i connect to a ieee8021x wlan ? Dec 01 13:03:51 when i klick on connect nothing happens Dec 01 13:04:13 sturvey: at least they planned for it Dec 01 13:04:46 sivang: planning vs. execution - as always Dec 01 13:06:11 sturvey: imagine there's no planning at all and things happen at random :) Dec 01 13:06:59 I think heathrow is going to be a pretty airport after the rebuilding works. But even while at work, it was pleasent to be in Dec 01 13:07:11 if only it had free wifi :) Dec 01 13:07:21 * bunk is used to seeing a bagger a few times a day carrying away the snow in the courtyard when it snows Dec 01 13:07:30 sivang: It takes great skill to spend months planning and still give the impression of chaos. I salute my London city overlords for their snow-fu. Dec 01 13:08:31 oh, false friend, s/bagger/excavator/ Dec 01 13:09:37 argh i cant connect to ieee8021x secured netowrks :((((( Dec 01 13:27:45 could someone advise as to the location of the srpms for 1.0.5 please? Dec 01 13:31:09 Guys, my Meego doesn't see USB sticks when I insert them. Maybe there's something I need to do before inserting?.. or after. Dec 01 13:35:41 Anyone? Dec 01 13:38:23 GF911, sorry I don't know much about the netbook version myself, but check to make sure it appears with dmesg and if it does and the usb sticks aren't accessible like they should be normally or the netbook UX, file a bug. And if it doesn't show up in dmesg, you'll probably want to file a bug anyway Dec 01 13:38:37 normally for the* Dec 01 13:49:21 Is there releqased some Meego-based phones yet? Dec 01 14:04:47 halvors: no Meego-based phones have been released, nor announced. Dec 01 14:06:17 You can make it run with minimal hassel on the Nokia N900 or the Intel Aava platform Dec 01 14:12:42 I got under-steer AND over-steer on my road Dec 01 14:15:00 CosmoHill, fun Dec 01 14:15:09 kinda Dec 01 14:15:17 I had oversteer whilst coming up to a parked car :/ Dec 01 14:15:28 fyi my car is front wheel drive Dec 01 14:23:27 http://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2010/11/26/the-biology-of-sloppy-code/ <-- good article Dec 01 14:23:51 * CosmoHill looks at Chani to see if he's seen him before Dec 01 14:24:07 I've clicked to many random links in here >.< Dec 01 14:30:40 CosmoHill: it's just a blog post, nothing umb :) Dec 01 14:30:59 Chani, one of the examples (about catching exceptions) isnt always avoidable, it depends on the library you are using Dec 01 14:31:00 no flash even, afaik Dec 01 14:31:37 CosmoHill, its a decent article Dec 01 14:31:51 meh, examples.. it's hte comparison to the big bang that's cool :) Dec 01 14:32:13 and sciences. I nevre really thought about chem and bio from that perspective Dec 01 14:32:30 * lcuk smiles Dec 01 14:32:53 i hadnt gotten that far down page Dec 01 14:33:43 OK.. so I accidentally booted the Moblin 2.1 image... how do I turn the computer off? Dec 01 14:33:55 rmd_, power button Dec 01 14:33:55 Ah, the power button. Dec 01 14:34:04 hehe Dec 01 14:34:09 took me a while to get that too :) Dec 01 14:34:13 it's a little counter-intuitive, from other Linux distros. :-P Dec 01 14:34:29 * rmd_ downloads meego netbook to replace this mobline image. Dec 01 14:34:34 rmd_: press it twice and it'll override the countdown as well Dec 01 14:35:07 Chani, sitting on a beach, no tools or libraries or code around, but you can still build a cool sand castle :) Dec 01 14:35:31 hey everyone, new to meego. 1) is it possible to use lvm? 2) how can I move stuff between zones? 3) how do i set ctrl:nocaps? Dec 01 14:35:47 magius_pendragon, spyro was looking at lvm for debian stuffs Dec 01 14:35:48 magius_pendragon: for 2) drag and drop Dec 01 14:36:00 in the zones panel Dec 01 14:36:21 nedrichards: cool thanks Dec 01 14:36:43 * lcuk dislikes drag and drop (especially fiddly things) on touch devices Dec 01 14:37:03 guys, another question. When I try to update the system I get "security signature not found" error. What's that? Dec 01 14:37:45 fair point. That was actually a tertiary concern, happened as soon as I started typing the other questions. Came here mostly for #3 :p Dec 01 14:38:00 lcuk: agreed, although netbook was designed specifically for keyboard and touchpad devices Dec 01 14:38:16 GF911: it means you don't have the sig for that RPM repo Dec 01 14:38:29 so your computer doesn't know if the packages are legitimate or not Dec 01 14:38:52 nedrichards, are you really sure.. Dec 01 14:38:57 Oh, shi... teach the lamer how to get that sig? Dec 01 14:39:00 Please. :) Dec 01 14:39:04 lcuk: I designed it. I'm pretty sure. Dec 01 14:39:04 since keyboard input does not work when you use superkey ;) Dec 01 14:39:59 lcuk: really? I wouldn't thought touchscreens make d&d easier. Dec 01 14:40:21 unless you've got stuff competing for the drag. I hate drag-to-scroll Dec 01 14:40:29 * Chani wants a hardware scrollwheel :) Dec 01 14:41:46 nedrichards, \o/ Dec 01 14:41:58 lcuk: ;-) Dec 01 14:42:02 nedrichards, press superkey, then "m" or something to get to media tab Dec 01 14:42:10 or even just left/right to show the different tabs Dec 01 14:42:18 lcuk: yeah, that's actually something we wanted to do for *ages* Dec 01 14:42:25 yeah its a bug report now Dec 01 14:42:26 but it's more complicated than you'd think Dec 01 14:42:37 of course, it always is Dec 01 14:42:43 to do with the keyboard grabs etc. and not stealing focus Dec 01 14:42:56 the one shortcut i use all the time is alt+f2 Dec 01 14:43:03 but you brought the topbar up, it is taking keyboard anyway Dec 01 14:43:03 which opens the applications panel Dec 01 14:43:20 then you can type and hit enter to launch Dec 01 14:43:44 nice tip :) Dec 01 14:44:21 lcuk: sure, now I am not the author of that code but having a keyboard activation and a mouse activation path wasn't seen as ideal, amongst other stuff Dec 01 14:44:28 but yeah, it's a weakness Dec 01 14:45:44 nedrichards, you just happily given folks a workaround for some aspects of it Dec 01 14:46:22 nedrichards, can the topmenubar be made to appear at the bottom Dec 01 14:46:32 anyone have tips on getting rid of caps lock? I've always either set it in xorg config (not working), or gnome keyboard settings (doesn't exist?) Dec 01 14:46:53 magius_pendragon, WHY DO YOU WANT TO GET RID OF CAPSLOCK? Dec 01 14:47:14 magius_pendragon: I just pry the key out of the keyboard, usually Dec 01 14:47:35 lcuk: might not matter in a few weeks, but i make it an additional ctrl, and my finger gets confused Dec 01 14:48:52 lcuk: nope, it's fixed at the top Dec 01 14:49:20 nedrichards, shame, its at the wrong end for combined keyboard use (makes it an extra stretch to reach on the touchscreen) Dec 01 14:49:47 lcuk: are you working on touchscreen devel or something? Dec 01 14:50:22 magius_pendragon, i dabble. Dec 01 14:52:08 lcuk: I got pointed to meego because this is going on a modded slate. I'm eventually gonna want to try that out :p Dec 01 14:52:57 magius_pendragon: the setings in xorg.conf just do stuff with xkb, I would suggest downloading xkeyboard-config and modifying it that way if the defaults don't work for you Dec 01 14:53:37 okay Dec 01 14:55:13 hmm, how do I run said program? zypper says I already have it Dec 01 14:55:51 cool magius_pendragon Dec 01 15:07:17 hello...i was experimenting with meego-1.0 on my desktop machine running it under vbox...now i'm considering to buy dell's 1018 and have meego as the only OS. has situation with drivers for 3g/wifi improved in 1.1? Dec 01 15:14:30 tmzt_g2root: how do I use this? Dec 01 15:15:05 what are you trying to do? Dec 01 15:15:17 set the option ctrl:nocaps Dec 01 15:20:35 how were you doing it before? Dec 01 15:20:55 what line in xorg.conf I mean Dec 01 15:21:16 tmzt_g2root: never did it in meego. My desktop uses gnome (2.30.2), it's in the keyboard layout settings. Used to be you could set Options "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" in xorg.conf. Dec 01 15:21:44 I tried it here, and it caused X to fail to load, and I can't see logs so I dunno what went wrong Dec 01 15:22:15 (or at lest, logs aren't where I expected them to be) Dec 01 15:22:34 magius_pendragon: you might want to try in #xorg then Dec 01 15:22:56 I had a way to set the defaults, but I can't find the options Dec 01 15:24:07 tmzt_g2root: about which part? setting options, or missing logs? Dec 01 15:24:26 the option is still in evdev according to /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst Dec 01 15:24:45 magius_pendragon: I can't remember if the gnome keyboard settings are just hidden or if they're not installed, but they may be in the repo or launchable from the command line Dec 01 15:25:05 nedrichards: there's keyboard settings in the settings panel, but it doesn't have the extra layout options Dec 01 15:26:02 right-o, that won't help then Dec 01 15:26:28 nedrichards: that's why I came in here :) Dec 01 15:26:57 sure, apologies for not reading more closely Dec 01 15:27:14 none needed Dec 01 15:36:57 thp ping Dec 01 15:47:12 hi Dec 01 15:47:25 Is lbt around? Dec 01 15:47:38 Ibt Dec 01 15:47:39 a little but don't say that infront of him Dec 01 15:47:59 harris, lbt (its an L) is normally around Dec 01 15:48:25 I'm guessing you'd like an account on the MeeGo COBS? Dec 01 15:48:46 you guessed it Dec 01 15:49:01 * CosmoHill pokes X-Fade Dec 01 15:49:43 So what do I need to do get an account in Meego COBS Dec 01 15:50:26 you just need to ask X-Fade or lbt very nicely Dec 01 15:50:30 and be registerd on meego.com Dec 01 15:51:24 can one use stick using rt2870 driver on meego? Dec 01 15:53:21 hi X-Fade Dec 01 15:55:41 lcuk: pong Dec 01 15:56:03 gour: Meego uses a stock 2.6.35, so if you can use it with that then yes Dec 01 15:56:21 The easiest might be to try-it-and-see Dec 01 15:56:42 jonnor: ta Dec 01 15:56:59 i'm researching prior to buying netbook :-) Dec 01 16:04:37 hi APARNA Dec 01 16:11:45 hi harris Dec 01 16:13:15 I have a question for you Aparna? Dec 01 16:13:59 Does Meego support USB Mouse ? Dec 01 16:14:15 lcuk: 40mph is the magic number, that is when the snow blows off my car and onto the car behind me :p Dec 01 16:14:23 of course I didn't clear the bonnet so that back fired Dec 01 16:14:37 harris: you mean any USB mouse connected to the computer/ Dec 01 16:15:21 I meant USB mouse connected to the Meego Dev board Dec 01 16:16:16 I'm assuming meego will support any usb mouce Dec 01 16:16:37 i tried it today but it didnt work Dec 01 16:16:49 did the mouce light up? Dec 01 16:17:53 harris u mean USB connected to laptop? Dec 01 16:22:56 CosmoHill, always remember to steer into a skid. Dec 01 16:23:14 Hi I've got a N800 and I'm new in meego.. I've seen Stskeeps on youtube with a N8x0 device and meego running on it. Question is whether it is possible to run the IVI on it.. Dec 01 16:23:26 Alison_Chaiken: that was so weird, I just asked for tips on snow driving in another channel Dec 01 16:23:27 Probably nor Dec 01 16:23:38 I'd bet IVI needs OpenGL. Dec 01 16:23:44 I heard "kickstarter" makes images for the different targets.. Dec 01 16:23:50 :| Dec 01 16:24:05 isn't the IVI x86? Dec 01 16:24:28 yep the prebuild image on the website Dec 01 16:24:43 a kickstart assembles the rpm files Dec 01 16:25:09 GAN900, it's my understanding that OpenGL is integral to MeeGo and will be needed for all the images. Dec 01 16:26:38 Alison_Chaiken, you need openGL if you want to run meego core? I dont think so Dec 01 16:27:05 arfoll: gl or gles2.0 is baseline to be compliant Dec 01 16:27:12 you do on netbooks Dec 01 16:27:24 qt is built against gl there Dec 01 16:27:43 gles on arm, as is about to get pointed out Dec 01 16:27:46 Stskeeps, really? So you cant be meego core compliant without GL support... Dec 01 16:29:20 arfoll: i think there's room for a embedded meego initiative, leveraging same tools/ability, but not meego compliant.. Dec 01 16:29:40 arfoll: where 'emgo' apps will run on meego too Dec 01 16:30:20 and provide a lesser api for modern embedded target Dec 01 16:30:29 Stskeeps, i read your post Dec 01 16:30:50 :nod: Dec 01 16:31:33 anyone tried installing MeeGo on Intel Dev board? Dec 01 16:31:38 not sure i think it'll work. most ISVs are fine with 'based on meego' and dont give a damn abou tbeing compliant Dec 01 16:31:55 aparna, theres quite a few of them... Dec 01 16:31:56 aparna, i have meego on an intel/lenovo ideapad if that counts as devboard *grin* Dec 01 16:32:47 lcuk/arfoll which image from the repo was used for it. I mean the link from repo.meego.com Dec 01 16:32:52 arfoll: well, its still a win to some extent, more users of platform, but if we can avoid major fragmentation before it happens.. Dec 01 16:32:58 arfoll, the question of the size of the minimal MeeGo core is not decided for sure I think. But if (for example), you wanted to run MeeGo kernel and middleware on a feature phone without graphics, do you care about "MeeGo compliance" Dec 01 16:33:04 aparna, not sure tbh! i was using the usb key we got at the conf Dec 01 16:33:15 Stskeeps, do you know which stable image it was from the conf? Dec 01 16:33:21 ah ok. Dec 01 16:33:23 lcuk: no Dec 01 16:33:25 aparna, which dev board? Dec 01 16:33:40 Stskeeps, because that usb is awesome, it just works on different things too Dec 01 16:34:21 It concerns me that the MeeGo spec has no minimum HW requirements. I think Microsoft's definition of minimally compliant HW for Windows Phone 7 is a good idea. "Minimum" could be fairly low. HW below that level could be shipped, but not with label "MeeGo compliant." Dec 01 16:34:52 Alison_Chaiken, you seem to think meego == phone Dec 01 16:34:59 Alison_Chaiken, hmm? Dec 01 16:35:07 there was a whole list of requirements Dec 01 16:35:18 Stskeeps: how is meego running on the N8x0's? any chance to get IVI running.. Dec 01 16:35:19 at the conf Dec 01 16:35:31 I use my N800 almost in my car, so.. Dec 01 16:35:48 http://www.intomobile.com/2010/11/18/meego-1-2-will-require-minimum-specs-600-mhz-cpu-512-mb-ram/ Dec 01 16:35:57 Alison_Chaiken, ^ Dec 01 16:36:01 arfoll, not all. I am mostly not concentrating on phone in my work, as it happens. But same comments go for tablet, tv, etc. Really lousy HW can ruin the MeeGo brand for consumers no matter what form factor it takes. Dec 01 16:36:23 lcuk, how is that official? Dec 01 16:36:24 Alison_Chaiken: This is in progress, AIUI. See the "profiles" Dec 01 16:36:37 arfoll, thats reporting on what official people stood in a keynote and said Dec 01 16:36:42 i just found first link Dec 01 16:36:45 Aha, lcuk and Jaffa. Thanks! Dec 01 16:37:07 but those are estimates, like saying i think meego needs 512MB of ram to run Dec 01 16:37:23 Hello all -- I have a basic Meego question -- I'm hoping someone might know. Dec 01 16:37:37 I've got a scratchbox environment set up for meego, and have apt-get updated my packages so I'm using libqt4-dev packaged release from git 20101118 Dec 01 16:38:05 arfoll, and what do you expect them to say? we require 511.465Mb of memory when using a single application which rises to 511.466 after a single extra? Dec 01 16:38:29 Its a sooke harbour board. We have tried http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.8.20101130.1/handset/images/meego-handset-ia32-mtf/ on it. Dec 01 16:38:56 lcuk, one of the keynotes said you needed 1gb to run. since the UI/apps are going to take most of the ram and thats nearly always going to be custom it's not like they can really impose minimum specs Dec 01 16:39:07 lo dawn, had a nice vacation? Dec 01 16:39:22 arfoll/lcuk any idea if it the right image to try that on board? Dec 01 16:39:34 Stskeeps: I had a lovely vacation :) Dec 01 16:39:44 aparna, whats the chipset? Dec 01 16:40:31 arfoll its an intel moorestone board Dec 01 16:40:38 and tbh intel should be able to answer that question better. Some boards have images that arent on repo.meego.com Dec 01 16:40:50 the mtf build would seem ok then Dec 01 16:41:22 lcuk, you link gives "tweets from the conference" as the source for minimum MeeGo HW specs. Did anyone hear a Grownup announce those specs from a podium? I'd like to see them in the Compliance doc myself. And I'd like to see OMAP4 instead of OMAP3 too . . . ! Dec 01 16:41:55 Alison_Chaiken: view handset ux roadmap talk Dec 01 16:41:59 they're intended for the spec, but I've not heard any finalized yet Dec 01 16:42:04 Alison_Chaiken, just relaying what I remember Dec 01 16:42:04 arfoll touch doesnt seem to be working on it. anyone faced this problem Dec 01 16:42:15 and the only current profile is netbook, a lot less "interesting" in this regard Dec 01 16:42:27 that article doesnt actually specify but presumably those requirements only apply to the handset flavour Dec 01 16:42:37 and the week before the conference, this spec was noted as being still being discussed Dec 01 16:42:39 aparna, no idea on aava touchscreen works Dec 01 16:42:43 i still 256m should be more than enough if we were more clever re memory usage on handset :) Dec 01 16:42:56 * lcuk agrees with Stskeeps Dec 01 16:43:09 Stskeeps, i agree with that too - and i dont think we should have hardware specs Dec 01 16:43:09 but so it goes Dec 01 16:43:16 it will be better in the long run to actively consider this Dec 01 16:43:34 if i want meego on my washing machine maybe i only need 128mb of ram Dec 01 16:43:37 mwichmann and lcuk, do I understand that these specs are being discussed for the MeeGo 1.2 compliance document? Or is there a separate parallel HW spec in the works? Dec 01 16:44:01 I'd expect to see several profiles for 1.2, yes Dec 01 16:44:16 as to hdw minimums... we'll see what people eventually agree should go in, Dec 01 16:44:24 but that was mentioned as an intent Dec 01 16:44:27 arfoll, I agree with you that you can run MeeGo on any device you want, but what we are discussing is whether you can call a device "MeeGo Compliant" Dec 01 16:44:36 you know, so we can have one Angry Birds binary instead of two :) Dec 01 16:45:57 if "compliant" is defined just right, there will be a big market for "non-compliant" products :) Dec 01 16:46:15 Alison_Chaiken, maybe i want to make a meego compliant washing machine? Dec 01 16:46:57 either way it looks like armv5 is going to be meego compliant.... Dec 01 16:47:09 hm? Dec 01 16:47:26 arfoll, do you think consumers would care about MeeGo compliance on a washing machine? Don't they only care about price? Of course HP is putting WebOS on printers. Dec 01 16:48:11 Alison_Chaiken, my point is that you're making assumption. it's fully possible people want a smart washing machine that tells them when their clothes are dry via twitter and that connect to the net Dec 01 16:48:14 Alison_Chaiken: they may not care about "compliance" but if their neighbour has a flashier UI which doesn't lag, they do care about that Dec 01 16:48:41 Stskeeps, the armv5 was just meant as in they used to build it i'm guessing they'll start again sometime Dec 01 16:48:46 Alison_Chaiken: one concern it that "compliant" does not end up saying "limited" Dec 01 16:48:47 Alison_Chaiken, it depends on what restrictions end up being placed on devices that arent compliant. Those supposed minimum specs require a GSM modem, consumers wont be too impressed if they get the same lame-ass restrictions as the android market, in that their wifi-only meego tablet cant access proper app stores because its not "compliant" Dec 01 16:49:02 Bostik, what I fear is consumers saying, "MeeGo barely works" because they have purchased an underpowered device. Dec 01 16:49:07 nidO, gsm modem would suck if you want a CDMA phone Dec 01 16:49:07 arfoll: my coworker already enjoys a bluetooth-enabled washing machine - it prevents him from forgetting that he put the thing on when his phone beeps Dec 01 16:49:41 arfoll: i doubt v5 is making a return, personally Dec 01 16:49:50 nidO, it wont be "MeeGo" if it's not compliant. Dec 01 16:50:25 Stskeeps, maybe not but there is definately at least one person using armv5 with meego - do you think he wont be allowed to apply for meego compliance? Dec 01 16:50:37 LTE and CDMA were discussed as 1.3 things at the conference. Dec 01 16:50:49 GAN900: well, those supposed specs require a GSM/HSPA/CDMA modem. if thats going to be a genuine requirement, whats the use-case supposed to be for a gsm/cdma modem in a meego television? Dec 01 16:51:00 Bostik, thats kinda cool. btw washing machine is just a silly example I dont want a meego washign machine. although i might be warming up to the idea Dec 01 16:51:46 nidO, i dont think they need gsm/cdma modems as part of compliance. if you want to sell a phone you put them in. otherwise you dont... seems fairly simple Dec 01 16:52:05 guys, am trying to install meego sdk on windows xp, I folowed instruction, when I reach the part saying Run Mad-admin and some huge file will be downloaded... it succefully downloads but the problem is my connection always resets and I have to download again Dec 01 16:52:08 nidO, think those are the Handset specs. Dec 01 16:52:15 arfoll: that is not a bad question Dec 01 16:52:29 arfoll: I can think of people actually wanting some kind of integrated and "smart" thing on their fridges; I for one would love to just to see what wife has put on shopping list and then simply flash my phone next to it and get it transferred via NFC Dec 01 16:52:41 GAN900: ah okay, that isnt specified in the article so wasnt clear whether it's just for a specific ux or not Dec 01 16:52:56 Bostik, lol O2 tried and failed. but maybe its possible. Dec 01 16:52:59 I need the file meego-handset-ia32-w32-qemu-1120101031.2201 Dec 01 16:53:09 mwichmann: was gles/egl part of platform or meego api? Dec 01 16:53:12 where can I find it so I can download it aneully Dec 01 16:53:14 ? Dec 01 16:53:20 manuelly* Dec 01 16:53:29 magius_pendragon, i don't generally discuss stuff in PM, so please talk out here Dec 01 16:53:40 Stskeeps: because we know the gl story is changing, it had to be platform Dec 01 16:53:40 I need the file meego-handset-ia32-w32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201 Dec 01 16:53:51 mwichmann: k Dec 01 16:53:56 I want to download it manualy Dec 01 16:54:20 mad-admin runs slow when downloading also doesnt have resume download Dec 01 16:54:35 so I always have to restart the download Dec 01 16:54:43 also the file is huge about 700mb Dec 01 16:55:28 can some one link me a direct link for me to download Dec 01 16:55:36 nidO, I'd assume, anyway. Dec 01 16:55:57 nidO, but I can't say I've been super impressed with the specs or the process around them so far, so. . . . Dec 01 16:56:46 arfoll: i guess my main thought is that in a year, those systems you would normally target meego and qt on, will typically have gles2 too Dec 01 16:58:06 I need the file meego-handset-ia32-w32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201 Dec 01 16:58:46 Stskeeps, you're probably right but it seems like a shame to limit what is possible by arbitrary "requirements" Dec 01 16:59:02 can someone upload it for me please? Dec 01 16:59:23 maybe Dec 01 16:59:31 arfoll: well, capability such as gles2 i can understand, MB .. not so much Dec 01 16:59:42 mb is for handset profile though Dec 01 16:59:48 I wanted now to install the image creator, but apt says that the meta-index is malformed.. Dec 01 16:59:56 * Ubuntu 10.04 Dec 01 17:00:08 lolloo: give me the link to the file Dec 01 17:00:30 I'm using 10.10 and I think the 10.04 repo should work fine for me, too Dec 01 17:00:55 wiki.meego.com/SDLK/MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows Dec 01 17:01:04 wiki.meego.com/SDK/MeeGo_SDK_for_Windows Dec 01 17:01:05 Stskeeps, we'll see. so far linpus get away with using networkmanager instead of connman and call it meego Dec 01 17:01:24 4th part step 3 CosmoHill Dec 01 17:01:42 where it says launch MADDE Dec 01 17:02:11 arfoll: Do we *know* Linpus are actually using networkmanager, rather than just *saying* they do. Dec 01 17:02:21 arfoll: that one was a bit of a wtf Dec 01 17:02:50 I need direct link for it please because MADDE TERMINAL is slow very slow Dec 01 17:02:55 when downloading Dec 01 17:02:56 Jaffa, its a good point. maybe their marketing got it wrong... Dec 01 17:03:00 mwichmann: do we have any products using meego trademark legally atm? Dec 01 17:03:30 (can only recall suse meego discussion) Dec 01 17:03:57 and i dont mean smeegol :P Dec 01 17:04:41 lolloo: I can't find it Dec 01 17:05:00 Stskeeps: I'm not privy to that info as things stand... LF would know (ibrahim) Dec 01 17:05:14 mmm you shouldnt thats the point Dec 01 17:05:24 mwichmann: alright Dec 01 17:05:28 I need it as a download link not as a command to input Dec 01 17:06:23 i guess it wouldnt be a bad TSG discussion Dec 01 17:09:34 * Stskeeps wonders what is on agenda for TSG tonight Dec 01 17:10:35 very specific today: Dec 01 17:10:36 Agenda Dec 01 17:10:53 Stskeeps: The same thing which was supposed to be on the last time the meeting was postponed? Dec 01 17:11:47 Jaffa: i dont recall it being postponed, but backlog looks like i should attend if hardfp is on there.. Dec 01 17:14:55 so anyone would kindly upload this file for me Dec 01 17:15:00 I need the file meego-handset-ia32-w32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201 Dec 01 17:55:55 Is lbt online? I'd like to apply to access Community OBS? Dec 01 17:56:23 ~lbt Dec 01 17:56:35 ~seen lbt Dec 01 17:56:40 lbt <~david@84.20.132.113> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 5h 13m 42s ago, saying: 'so should be airborne tonight'. Dec 01 17:56:45 you took your time Dec 01 17:57:13 thopiekar@linux-ng26:~/meego> sudo mic-image-creator --config=handset-armv5tel-n810.ks --format=vmdk --cache=mycache Dec 01 17:57:13 ['/usr/bin/mic-image-creator', '--config=handset-armv5tel-n810.ks', '--format=vmdk', '--cache=mycache'] Dec 01 17:57:13 [main] Dec 01 17:57:13 use_comps=1 Dec 01 17:57:13 default_ks=default.ks Dec 01 17:57:32 numpty Dec 01 17:58:13 ezjd: you can ping X-Fade as well Dec 01 17:58:33 thopiekar: wait! use pastebin.org Dec 01 17:58:40 sorry Dec 01 17:58:42 ~seen X-Fade Dec 01 17:58:44 x-fade is currently on #maemo (9h 3m 53s) #meego (9h 3m 53s), last said: 'I don't know the dirty details of qtm coding, so I can't help you.'. Dec 01 17:58:56 just passed my outputs to the wrong window :( Dec 01 17:59:00 sorry!! Dec 01 17:59:13 no problem, you got kicked before it became annoying Dec 01 18:00:04 Thx! Is X-Fade here? Dec 01 18:01:03 got problems making a image for N8x0's: http://pastebin.com/RXxkF8dJ <- Stskeeps Dec 01 18:02:29 thopiekar: did you use arm5le? Dec 01 18:03:46 you mean because I'm making a vmdk? uhm.. does it matter which output I take? just wanted to test whether the creator works.. Dec 01 18:03:53 thopiekar: the problem seems to be that there is no armv5tel repo on the server Dec 01 18:04:14 in case to use it later for my n800 I'll need to choose jffs2 right? Dec 01 18:04:19 aah Dec 01 18:04:58 but how could I use then the image for the n8x0? these devices use the armv5tel arch Dec 01 18:05:10 IIRC Stskeeps' N8X0 work was done privatly, I.E not on the meego server Dec 01 18:05:18 hello. Do you know if there's any chance that the nokia C7 will ever run meego ? Dec 01 18:05:29 seeing how close symbian and meego are Dec 01 18:05:37 (at least at high level) Dec 01 18:05:39 slim to none Dec 01 18:05:50 ah? :( Dec 01 18:06:02 which package to install on meego netbook to get the /lib/modules/.../build symlink working? Dec 01 18:06:10 I have kernel-headers, yet the symlink is broken Dec 01 18:06:34 javispedro: it will never work Dec 01 18:06:46 . = current, .. = parent ... = wtf? Dec 01 18:06:59 er.. Dec 01 18:07:11 "zypper in /my/file"? Dec 01 18:07:13 unless that was a typo you made on irc Dec 01 18:07:15 CosmoHill: so as I can see there is no interest in N8x0 devices(, maybe because of the missing oGL support?) Dec 01 18:07:21 there is Dec 01 18:07:26 s/.../$(uname -r) Dec 01 18:07:33 but there is nothing official at the moment Dec 01 18:07:48 thopiekar: you can try looking on here: http://repo.pub.meego.com/ Dec 01 18:09:57 Just compiled the latest linux kernel (2.6.36) for kernel-netbook Dec 01 18:10:08 …and it's running fine right now on Meego 1.1. Dec 01 18:10:13 yay Dec 01 18:10:30 But I had to strip out all the patches from the official kernel package. Dec 01 18:10:44 i thought meego was upstream first!? Dec 01 18:10:49 …most were integrated into the new kernel sources anyway probably. Dec 01 18:11:17 Mornin' Dec 01 18:11:18 Upstream yes, but there are hundreds of patches in the kernel package. Dec 01 18:11:38 I guess because of the different natures of hardware, handset, TV, netbook... Dec 01 18:12:07 Does anyone know how to change the font size in Empathy? :C This whole 32 point thing kind of gets old after a while... Dec 01 18:12:11 It might have even sorted out the wireless driver problem I was having. Dec 01 18:12:21 …atheros 9K on the ideapad seems to work better now. Dec 01 18:12:34 …but I'll have to keep testing that (the opensource driver I mean.) Dec 01 18:12:50 Heh. I'm still waiting for the rtl8187se to actually do WPA. WEP? Fine. Open? Sure! WPA? Silent fail. :C Dec 01 18:12:59 Hopefully the new kernel fixes the sleep/resume problems as well. Dec 01 18:13:29 That's too bad, where do you think the WPA? Dec 01 18:13:33 msvb1: it doesn't here. Dec 01 18:13:49 Where do you think the WPA problem lies? Dec 01 18:14:48 msvb1: No idea. I think they're using outdated drivers/packages... Since it works fine under Ubuntu and has for a long time. Since like 8.x I think... Dec 01 18:15:27 CosmoHill: check your link and the different repos.. so n8x0 relevant software there.. Dec 01 18:15:33 * I think Dec 01 18:15:48 there may be Dec 01 18:15:51 if someone builds it Dec 01 18:15:54 msvb1: it's pretty much the only thing keeping me from using Meego more often. Well, that and the whole IM text size issue and not being able to change it, although that's more of a just visual issue Dec 01 18:16:16 SineOt: Where are the sources for the defective driver you're talking about. Dec 01 18:16:48 msvb1: I'm not sure, I've never really looked. They're somewhere out there though, since Ubuntu is using them! Dec 01 18:18:07 SineOt: Too bad, I don't know much about the RTL wireless drivers either. Dec 01 18:18:30 SineOt: Most are using the atheros or broadcom chips. Dec 01 18:18:43 So does Meego have a place to adjust power settings? i find it odd that this netbook-centric release leaves my screen at full brightness and doesn't adjust cpufreq when I'm unplugged... Dec 01 18:18:45 msvb1: I think there's modules in the kernel staging stuff right now. I think what it is is that Ubuntu is including the staging modules and Meego isn't Dec 01 18:18:54 SineOt: …but I don't think many are using realtek wireless chips. Dec 01 18:20:48 Does anyone know how to use the SIM card slot of the ideapads? Dec 01 18:20:54 …or any netbook for that matter? Dec 01 18:21:12 I'm running Meego 1.1 and would like to try at connecting over GSM. Dec 01 18:21:32 I guess that's called 'mobile broadband IP' or something like that. Dec 01 18:21:33 msvb1, sim slot is readable in code, but is pretty useless without a modem Dec 01 18:21:58 lcuk: but don't the ideapads have 3G modems? Dec 01 18:22:13 if it has a SIM card slot, wouldn't it... Have a 3G modem Dec 01 18:22:15 lcuk: or any modems to connect to even GPRS networks? Dec 01 18:22:17 well i asked the same thing but it seems theres no modem in there Dec 01 18:22:41 so it has a sim slot, with hardware in it to connect a sim, but no modem? Dec 01 18:22:42 maybe it's one of those things where the slot it there but you have to pay extra for the moderm Dec 01 18:22:44 wtf Dec 01 18:23:09 What is the procedure for installing a modem then? Dec 01 18:23:20 to be fair, it does lead to further questions if the modem exists Dec 01 18:23:25 …open the battery and HD door and plug in a mini-PCI card? Dec 01 18:23:30 like how do you hold your ideapad to make a call :P Dec 01 18:23:35 msvb1: I'd imagine it would be like wifi, there's a load of cables leading to the mini pci-e compartment Dec 01 18:23:50 i believe that it does CosmoHill Dec 01 18:23:56 and the antenna is already embedded Dec 01 18:23:59 and has a connector etc Dec 01 18:24:09 just no actual mini board to use it Dec 01 18:24:20 sounds like wifi in older macs Dec 01 18:24:32 everything is there apart from the actual wifi card Dec 01 18:25:01 * javispedro maps the first ideapad front button to the Windows key Dec 01 18:25:31 javispedro, :) Dec 01 18:25:34 so it now shows/hides the meego top toolbar :) Dec 01 18:26:06 Wait. So... is there a way to navigate the top toolbar with keyboard? Dec 01 18:26:28 rmd_, you can bring it on screen with superkey Dec 01 18:26:28 on any platform the windows key triggers the meego top toolbar Dec 01 18:26:50 on the ideapad, this key was hidden when in "tablet mode" Dec 01 18:27:22 yeah bringing it on screen is good.. but what about navigating once I bring it up? Dec 01 18:28:26 javispedro, add the tweak onto the ideapad page please? Dec 01 18:30:11 lcuk: it's a kernel module :) Dec 01 18:30:43 javispedro, ? Dec 01 18:32:51 lcuk: that the "tweak" is to install a kernel module Dec 01 18:33:04 for key remapping Dec 01 18:33:05 ? Dec 01 18:33:18 it's not exactly remapping, the key doesn't send any events without it Dec 01 18:33:39 it's just that officially that key should be KEY_PROG1 (aka "User Program 1") Dec 01 18:33:51 but I remapped it to KEY_LEFTMETA Dec 01 18:33:56 for test purposes Dec 01 18:34:58 can someone confirm for sure... is there a GSM/3G/whatever modem built into the Lenovo ? or is it just a sim slot under the battery with no modem ? Dec 01 18:35:10 no modem here Dec 01 18:35:23 hello Dec 01 18:35:39 it's just a slot Dec 01 18:35:40 if there is a SIM slot then there might be an empty pci-express slot inside waiting for a modem :) Dec 01 18:35:47 yes there is both Dec 01 18:35:51 ok thanks for confirmation Dec 01 18:36:02 ok anyone with a link to such a devicd? Dec 01 18:36:14 they tend to be expensive Dec 01 18:36:16 there are two PCIe slots in the ideapad, one is half height and has the wifi card, the other is empty Dec 01 18:36:29 there is a page on the internet listing working modems Dec 01 18:36:34 also need to eye up a carry case :P the ones I saw don't seem great in the pics Dec 01 18:36:37 other modems can be made to work with a BIOS hack Dec 01 18:37:03 could be thinkwiki then? Dec 01 18:37:54 other modems ? (other as in, not PCIe ?) Dec 01 18:38:30 lenovo takings days to randomize the hdd data Dec 01 18:38:45 other modems as in not official lenovo ones Dec 01 18:39:18 ok ic, thanks I'll research some more, laters Dec 01 18:40:04 javispedro: Did you build your own 2.6.36 and apply the module? Dec 01 18:40:47 fiferboy: no, for testing I'm now using latest kernel-netbook, 2.6.35.3-12.1-netbook Dec 01 18:41:20 There is a 2.6.35.3-13.4-netbook now Dec 01 18:41:41 javispedro: Where did you get the proper module? Dec 01 18:42:44 fiferboy: its' the one I was making on the f.m.o thread Dec 01 18:42:45 odin_: http://www.netbooks.ph/forums/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2220 Dec 01 18:43:07 based on what the platform-x86 guys discovered by reading the DSDT Dec 01 18:43:08 javispedro: Excellent work! Dec 01 18:44:14 hm.. Dec 01 18:44:50 I ponder if reading the DSDT for interoperability purposes is OK from a Linux kernel developer PoV? Dec 01 18:45:32 ... or from a lawyer PoV. Dec 01 18:45:58 (if I'd like it to be eventually merged, for example). Dec 01 18:47:51 DawnFoster: so will there be a TSG tonight? Dec 01 18:48:10 javispedro: Good question. I take it your module isn't available anywhere yet? Dec 01 18:50:45 * javispedro thinks it's OK, as half of the platform-x86 modules couldn't have been made otherwise. Dec 01 18:53:24 Stskeeps: yep. Quim is running it Dec 01 18:53:31 I'm still catching up :) Dec 01 18:54:51 DawnFoster: hehe, good luck then Dec 01 19:02:04 ah, there the agenda was Dec 01 19:03:56 fiferboy: it's now available ;) : http://gitorious.org/iaps/lsrot Dec 01 19:04:18 javispedro: Nice! I will be checking that out shortly Dec 01 19:08:18 hi DawnFoster Dec 01 19:08:28 hey timeless_mbp Dec 01 19:10:57 have a good vacation? Dec 01 19:15:43 javispedro: Brilliant! I have it working. Dec 01 19:16:12 thanks! Dec 01 19:16:57 javispedro: Do you have any plans for changes? Dec 01 19:17:07 I like the show/hide functionality Dec 01 19:17:17 But hinge events might be nice Dec 01 19:17:47 so far I only found the tablet mode one Dec 01 19:18:00 it is already exported, as SW_TABLETMODE Dec 01 19:18:16 javispedro: you should make that a contexkit plugin Dec 01 19:18:25 +t Dec 01 19:19:05 javispedro: SW_TABLETMODE triggers when the hinge is rotated and the screen is "closed"? Dec 01 19:19:10 yep Dec 01 19:19:29 But there is no trigger when it is reversed? Dec 01 19:19:34 yes yes Dec 01 19:19:50 SW means "switch" Dec 01 19:19:53 it has two position Dec 01 19:19:53 s Dec 01 19:19:59 Ah, gotcha Dec 01 19:20:05 it's a reed switch :) Dec 01 19:20:23 on windows, tablet mode rotates the screen 180 degrees, it sucks, and you can't stop it Dec 01 19:20:41 And apparently the middle button on the bezel triggers only when in tablet mode? Dec 01 19:20:48 fiferboy: yep, enforced by hw Dec 01 19:20:52 weird reasons. Dec 01 19:21:11 Interesting Dec 01 19:22:08 Of course, it was a miracle I noticed that.... Dec 01 19:22:57 ali1234: I think you will be able to disable it by uninstalling the lenovo touch sth application Dec 01 19:23:35 or the lenovo rotation application. or all of the lenovo applications :) Dec 01 19:23:48 windows has built in "tablet mode" Dec 01 19:24:10 the lenovo app just enables rotation by accelerometer, which is even worse due the the accelerometer chip being crap Dec 01 19:24:14 ali1234: it didn't happen when I was installing windows, it started happening after I reinstalled the lenovo stuff Dec 01 19:24:20 (I mean the 180º rotation) Dec 01 19:24:38 perhaps... i suspect the only way to disable it would lead to no rotation at all though Dec 01 19:24:59 gma3150 driver does it iirc Dec 01 19:25:15 surely not from the accelerometer though Dec 01 19:25:22 the accelerometer is another story. Dec 01 19:25:26 no, you need the special lenovo app for that Dec 01 19:27:31 personally i would like it to go directly to portrait mode instead of the 180 degree rotation, but there is no way to configure this in windows, that i can see Dec 01 19:27:47 prolly not. stuff is very hardcoded on this thing. Dec 01 19:28:03 for ex. the hw masking of the power button when the lock is enabled, or the rotate button when not in tablet mode Dec 01 19:28:32 well... you expect that from a lock switch Dec 01 19:28:41 the rotation button thing does suck though Dec 01 19:29:13 sal Dec 01 19:29:23 i'm quite sure windows just listens to the "new orientation" events the DSDT sends to it Dec 01 19:29:49 my driver currently prints those to dmesg as I'm yet to understand what the actual new orientation is from them Dec 01 19:29:58 romenian ?? Dec 01 19:30:16 server is on ?? Dec 01 19:30:38 ;) Dec 01 19:32:06 javispedro: I see the orientation message in dmesg Dec 01 19:32:20 I have only found three different values, and tried four orientations... Dec 01 19:32:21 try to guess what the value means :) Dec 01 19:33:15 in the windows settings there is a part where you specify the order of rotations Dec 01 19:33:18 0x0 looks like "normal", 0x20 looks like 90 degrees clockwise, and 0x60 90 degrees counter-clockwise Dec 01 19:33:28 hum? Dec 01 19:33:36 are you in "tablet mode"? Dec 01 19:33:47 But I don't see an upside down, (unless it is also 0x60) Dec 01 19:33:54 No, in laptop mode Dec 01 19:34:07 I haven't tried tablet mode yet :) Dec 01 19:34:23 I realize the values are less useful in laptop mode Dec 01 19:34:48 no, it's just that you're getting quite different values from what I get, which are more random Dec 01 19:35:01 * javispedro powers off Dec 01 19:35:22 javispedro: In tablet mode I get the same 0x0, 0x20, 0x60 Dec 01 19:37:08 I'm now getting perpetual 0x60 Dec 01 19:38:18 I can get 0x40 by tilting the keyboard upwards =) Dec 01 19:40:04 something's amiss. I think it's reading the previous value or sth. Will look later on it. Dec 01 19:40:05 I have yet to see a 0x40 Dec 01 19:41:48 either way, I think the way to go would be to read the accelerometer values as rawest as possible, because as I said I quit sure believe this is what windows uses to autorotate and it sucks at it. Dec 01 19:41:58 *I quite sure Dec 01 19:42:19 too sensitive. Dec 01 19:42:28 Yeah, the orientation data doesn't look all that useful Dec 01 19:42:46 javispedro, autorotation is always sensitive and annoying Dec 01 19:42:56 especially if its locked to 90deg Dec 01 19:45:35 javispedro: iaps.c is your accelerometer module? Dec 01 19:47:19 fiferboy: yep -- don't look at the source though, it might not be "clean" Dec 01 19:47:46 * javispedro is yet to understand the kernel policies on that regard :P Dec 01 19:48:04 Is the current state reporting accelerometer information through dmesg? Dec 01 19:48:14 nope, input device Dec 01 19:48:47 so you need a tool to read it that hasn't been meego-packaged, yet Dec 01 19:49:03 Stskeeps or anybody with MeeGo handset UX at hand: is there a dialer in landscape mode or only portrait? Dec 01 19:49:06 Ok, I'll hold off on that one Dec 01 19:49:12 qgil: only portrait Dec 01 19:49:18 Stskeeps: thanks! Dec 01 19:49:40 qgil: if you mean the dialer showing only in portrait Dec 01 19:49:59 and not talking about the application launcher, in which some icons disappear from occasionally :) Dec 01 19:50:15 Stskeeps: the dialer to make calls Dec 01 20:06:35 Hi, I need help to build libmeegotouch Dec 01 20:07:14 I got libmeegotouch/mgen/mgen: symbol lookup error : undefined symbol: _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii Dec 01 20:09:28 version? Dec 01 20:10:04 nbrouard: seems that you're mixing Qt versions Dec 01 20:11:49 bah. Dec 01 20:12:04 next step, trying to understand what makes the s10-3t unable to resume from suspend Dec 01 20:12:35 as it just hanged on me again :( Dec 01 20:12:55 +1 for jarvispedro Dec 01 20:13:27 BTW, TSG meeting starting now in #meego-meeting Dec 01 20:13:42 agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings Dec 01 20:14:02 fiferboy, all the potential freeagents are turning down arbitration. :( Dec 01 20:14:07 thanks DawnFoster ! Dec 01 20:14:24 GAN900: One Blue Jays pitched accepted Dec 01 20:14:38 Our bullpen is gone. Dec 01 20:18:22 oh!! Dec 01 20:18:30 the s10-3t doesn't actually hang while resuming Dec 01 20:18:34 it just resumed on me Dec 01 20:18:44 it just takes a long time Dec 01 20:18:50 interesting.. Dec 01 20:19:38 http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/12/01/women_want_apples_iphone_men_prefer_google_android_nielsen_finds.html Dec 01 20:20:01 it looks like the available market for meego is clearly the 55+ range :) Dec 01 20:20:18 Sorry andre_, I just did a fresh git clone git://gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch.git Dec 01 20:20:29 then I did a ./configure and make Dec 01 20:20:44 timeless_mbp, get it right and you have an extremely large audience Dec 01 20:21:26 note also desired!=bought Dec 01 20:21:34 I desire a lunar module. I will never buy it. Dec 01 20:21:40 I changed my PATH to have /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt/bin in first in order to use Qt4.7 which is inside meego-sdk Dec 01 20:22:20 lcuk: that get it right thing is hard Dec 01 20:23:00 as always. Dec 01 20:24:08 thanks timeless ( re #meego-meeting ) Dec 01 20:25:46 lcuk: so um Dec 01 20:25:53 jake-k: your background is broken Dec 01 20:26:05 background should include "and the last time we did a toolchain upgrade we screwed the browser teams" Dec 01 20:26:12 "this time we've been more careful by testing " Dec 01 20:26:18 note that i don't see that in your proposal Dec 01 20:26:20 re Dec 01 20:26:31 timeless_mbp: we're going to be doing a slow changeover, softfp alongside Dec 01 20:26:42 Stskeeps: i don't really care Dec 01 20:26:50 i want people to show that they're learning from their mistakes Dec 01 20:27:05 saying "we're doing a change" or "we want to do a change" "because ooh shiny" Dec 01 20:27:10 isn't learning from mistakes Dec 01 20:27:12 timeless_mbp: there's a lot of information not in the proposal, but it could end up being a huge technical report otherwise :) Dec 01 20:27:24 the mistake you made last time was not testing the compiler against stuff Dec 01 20:27:34 i want to see that you learned from this Dec 01 20:27:42 note that i want you to do the upgrade Dec 01 20:27:53 but i object to you not showing that you did your homework Dec 01 20:28:59 andre__ you're right. If I rename /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4.6.2 , I got libmeegotouch/mgen/mgen: error while loading shared libraries: libQtCore.so.4. What should I do to have libmeegotouch using LibQtCore.so.4.7 which is in my meego-sdk intallation? Dec 01 20:30:17 * timeless_mbp grumbles Dec 01 20:30:18 nbrouard, oh, I don't know, I just asked the question that came to my mind first :) please ask to public Dec 01 20:30:39 meego being aimed at at least the 40+ market seems about right actually, i mean who under 40 could actually afford to buy all the junk you need to make the whole "connected everything" actually worthwhile? Dec 01 20:31:00 ok thanks andre__ Dec 01 20:31:28 timeless_mbp: we'll have time for questions in just a minute Dec 01 20:31:29 DawnFoster: that's fine and dandy Dec 01 20:31:33 but totally impractical Dec 01 20:31:42 timeless_mbp: but also procedure as usual Dec 01 20:31:44 i'm about to physically walk out a door Dec 01 20:31:46 ali1234, which marketing plan (URL?) was this written in, or what is your impression based on? Dec 01 20:32:00 timeless_mbp: these meetings are tightly structured to keep them on track Dec 01 20:32:13 DawnFoster: please tightly structure proposals so they don't suck Dec 01 20:32:18 andre__: it wasn't written anywhere, my impression is based on no one i know under 40 being able to afford more than 1 computer and a dumbphone Dec 01 20:32:21 misspelling "Softwarwe" Dec 01 20:32:30 is not a tightly structured proposal Dec 01 20:32:30 question time Dec 01 20:32:32 it's *CRAP* Dec 01 20:32:47 ali1234: my impression is different Dec 01 20:33:24 ali1234: my impression is that teenagers are buying a lot of stuff with their parents money Dec 01 20:33:51 yeah, and guess what, their parents are 40+ Dec 01 20:33:57 lcuk: only code changes you'll need is if you have stuff directly related to softfp, which people usually don't Dec 01 20:34:15 lcuk: or assembly code calling stuff Dec 01 20:34:22 Stskeeps, we have spoken about these changes often Dec 01 20:34:26 aka if you wrongly try to do a function prologue in assembler Dec 01 20:34:31 but not everyone has, its something lots of folks thought about Dec 01 20:34:56 * javispedro is more worried about potential compiler bugs other than the actual change Dec 01 20:35:06 s/other/more/ Dec 01 20:35:10 javispedro: 4.5.0 was a crappy compiler Dec 01 20:35:14 as usual for .0 releases Dec 01 20:35:21 4.5.1 is a slightly less crappy compiler Dec 01 20:35:48 but we're going to use it in a "slightly less common" configuration. Dec 01 20:37:36 Hi all, I try to compile libmeegotouch (fresh clone from git) and it cannot link with libQtCore.so.4. I got: libmeegotouch/mgen/mgen: error while loading shared libraries: libQtCore.so.4. What should I do to have libmeegotouch using LibQtCore.so.4.7 which is in my meego-sdk intallation? I looked at libmeegotouch/src/corelib/Makefile and LIBS seems correct. Dec 01 20:38:22 nbrouard: I think libmeegotouch requires 4.7 Dec 01 20:38:28 so I'd purge 4.6 from your system Dec 01 20:38:52 nbrouard, getting the source from git is bleeding edge and has a symbiotic relationship with the latest bleeding edge code for whole of qt and other libraries Dec 01 20:38:54 javispedro: yeah, slightly less crappy doesn't imply bugfree Dec 01 20:39:00 especially on strange configurations :) Dec 01 20:39:13 if you are using the git version and trying to link with standard generic installed qt, these problems may arise Dec 01 20:39:13 hehe Dec 01 20:39:19 ecially on strange configurations :) Dec 01 20:39:20 if you are using the git version and trying to link with standard generic installed qt, these problems may arise Dec 01 20:39:23 uops Dec 01 20:39:23 lcuk, where should I get libmeegotouch? Dec 01 20:39:27 sorry. Dec 01 20:39:44 nbrouard, from your os repository of course :) Dec 01 20:40:17 mwichmann: certain vendors are in a hurry to get performance Dec 01 20:40:22 and they can't wait for a 1.3 Dec 01 20:40:29 timeless_mbp: no, that's not the reason Dec 01 20:40:35 because the release window on 1.3 is too far from when they might hypothetically want to ship a product Dec 01 20:40:37 timeless_mbp: the thing is we have to make the break now, or never. Dec 01 20:40:47 nbrouard, look at the -testing respositories on obs Dec 01 20:41:09 mwichmann: jump from 4.5.0 -> 4.5.1 should/can't be as bad as from 4.4 -> 4.5.0 Dec 01 20:41:24 yes, agree; I think it's got its own justification, Dec 01 20:41:36 and that argument maybe shouldn't be conflated with the arm abi question Dec 01 20:41:39 mwichmann: both abi tree's will be built for a grace time side-by-side Dec 01 20:41:45 lcuk, thank, going to try that Dec 01 20:42:03 so its separated to continue development while stabilizing hardfp Dec 01 20:42:24 and not like in 4.5.0 changeover where most of ARM broke Dec 01 20:42:39 and we were stuck for weeks on end Dec 01 20:42:43 Has someone practical experience on this performance benefit (60%) in MeeGo N900? Dec 01 20:42:59 the "wait until last question is answered before asking" rule in pretty much non-enforceable on irc. Dec 01 20:43:07 with random lags, etc. Dec 01 20:43:32 DawnFoster: you need to hire Zakim Dec 01 20:43:42 DawnFoster: http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html Dec 01 20:43:51 the primary syntax you care about here is roughly: Dec 01 20:43:54 Zakim open the queue Dec 01 20:43:54 V-PV: it's not 60% system-wide, but in functions that pass floats.. so very localized performance improvements Dec 01 20:43:58 q+ to ask about <...> Dec 01 20:43:59 q? Dec 01 20:44:04 q+ Stskeeps Dec 01 20:44:06 q- lcuk Dec 01 20:44:09 ack DawnFoster Dec 01 20:44:15 Zakim: close the queue Dec 01 20:44:20 roughly Dec 01 20:44:37 when someone is acked, zakim reminds the acked person about the topic the person queued for Dec 01 20:44:44 q? lists the queue Dec 01 20:44:56 q- drops someone from the queue (w/o a someone, it drops yourself) Dec 01 20:45:14 q+ [someone] [point to discuss] Dec 01 20:45:28 (w/o someone, it queues the person making the action) Dec 01 20:45:53 Or we could get Jim Zemlin to moderate and not have to worry about any questions. *eg* Dec 01 20:46:10 GAN900: he was the guy who left no time for questions? Dec 01 20:46:16 i think i finally saw that video this week Dec 01 20:46:25 note that zakim can also manage agendas Dec 01 20:47:05 oh, and zakim can enforce time limits :) Dec 01 20:47:25 keltsi: Understood that from proposal, but in practice hs this been tried out? Can you see the difference? Dec 01 20:48:04 V-PV: (I presume kaltsi).. yes Leonid M has run performance tests on hardware Dec 01 20:48:12 kaltsi: so... Dec 01 20:48:16 technically that's a bogus answer Dec 01 20:48:22 *yes* Dec 01 20:48:30 the correct answer is "yes, see where Leonid M's report shows this" Dec 01 20:48:40 it's nokia internal url :-/ Dec 01 20:48:43 nre Dec 01 20:48:46 or , re Dec 01 20:48:49 kaltsi: duh Dec 01 20:48:56 hey timeless_mbp Dec 01 20:49:08 the correct version is "sorry, I'll get Leonid M's report published, probably to " Dec 01 20:49:21 timeless_mbp: hanset performance? Dec 01 20:49:24 *handset Dec 01 20:49:28 kaltsi: i can physically smack Leonid M, he's one wing over Dec 01 20:49:35 timeless_mbp: Something like that, I was waiting for :-) Dec 01 20:49:35 but that's not relevant in an open source context Dec 01 20:49:47 kaltsi: so, _repeat_after_me_ :) Dec 01 20:49:57 * timeless_mbp looks for a quote Dec 01 20:50:35 Westley: Then you're not married. If you didn't say it, you Dec 01 20:50:35 didn't do it. Wouldn't you agree, Your Dec 01 20:50:36 Highness? Dec 01 20:50:42 Hi all Dec 01 20:50:54 DawnFoster, Welcome back :) Dec 01 20:51:03 dneary: thanks! Dec 01 20:51:08 hey dneary , 'sup? thanks for forwarding folks over for the qt cross symbian/meego, lots of stuffto explore there Dec 01 20:51:19 kaltsi: roughly, if you're driving a proposal, you actually have to make promises and stuff Dec 01 20:51:23 sivang, no problem! Dec 01 20:51:36 it isn't sufficient for me to know stuff, it's your job to promise everyone that you'll show them those things Dec 01 20:51:38 dneary: I am only now getting to this after a nice week of flu Dec 01 20:51:51 timeless_mbp: cool down :) Dec 01 20:52:03 kaltsi: it's 10:43pm, i haven't had breakfast Dec 01 20:52:07 It's good to have things to point people at when people say "I'm new, I'd like to help" Dec 01 20:52:21 We're missing some meaty code tasks, though Dec 01 20:52:39 cross symbian/meego is relevant to my interests, where is this stuff? Dec 01 20:52:50 Like "This library here is slow, see this bug number, can you have a look & see if you can figure it out?" Dec 01 20:52:55 dneary: agreed. there's nothing to tell the skilled developer where to cheap in Dec 01 20:53:03 dneary: I talked about this months ago Dec 01 20:53:09 well, 'wrote' Dec 01 20:53:27 discussing it with Stskeeps , but we were either too short in time or resources to follow on with it Dec 01 20:53:56 sivang, A list of bugs & feature requests that no-one is working on would be useful Dec 01 20:54:17 sivang, The thing is the doubt... plus, all the high priority meaty stuff gets assigned early Dec 01 20:54:28 v-pv here are some perf results not related to meego/nokia in any way, but related to hardfp vs softfp http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1821 Dec 01 20:54:28 dneary: it is extremely hard to really know if a bug or feature is benig worked on, judging by assignees etc Dec 01 20:54:38 sivang: s/cheap/chip/ Dec 01 20:54:43 timeless_mbp: thank you Dec 01 20:54:59 kaltsi++ Dec 01 20:55:14 timeless_mbp: I guess that's how you say high after not having breakfast all day long ;-) Dec 01 20:55:32 timeless_mbp: s/high/hi/ Dec 01 20:55:35 sivang: chewing people out does vaguely make up for not having breakfast Dec 01 20:55:41 timeless_mbp: lol Dec 01 20:55:42 but it isn't a good substitute Dec 01 20:56:02 timeless_mbp: it is not as tasty as pizza or the food in the cantonese restaurant Dec 01 20:56:12 (albeit somewhat too spicy for me) Dec 01 20:56:21 well... people aren't kosher Dec 01 20:56:25 So, stupid question: Does MeeGo going hard fp have any impact on the plan to have compiling community apps for Maemo 5 be something akin to a OBS submission checkbox? Dec 01 20:56:26 which is a minor problem Dec 01 20:56:40 timeless_mbp: neglected this altogether :) Dec 01 20:56:41 sjgadsby: it shouldn't Dec 01 20:56:51 the new compiler will support both Dec 01 20:56:59 we are going harfp? Dec 01 20:57:03 and for maemo5 you'd probably select the old compiler anyway Dec 01 20:57:11 jake-k: we already bootstrap'ed ~ 700 packages and the remaining are currently just blocked by dependency cycles Dec 01 20:57:12 you *need* to select the old libc Dec 01 20:57:16 otherwise you're screwed Dec 01 20:57:16 timeless_mbp: Thanks. Dec 01 20:57:20 mozilla discovered that Dec 01 20:57:21 dl9pf_: nice Dec 01 20:57:29 sjgadsby: so, technically "barely" Dec 01 20:57:42 in that the maemo5 obs config will need to be pinned to not do that stuff Dec 01 20:57:48 new compiler being gcc bootstraped to hardfp I suppose? Dec 01 20:58:16 the new compiler and the hard v. soft are technically distinct Dec 01 20:58:30 they should be distinctly selectable things in obs Dec 01 20:58:36 i don't speak obs so i couldn't say how Dec 01 20:58:45 on maemo5, you were using gcc 4.5? Dec 01 20:58:48 no way Dec 01 20:59:46 no Dec 01 21:00:07 the fremantle toolchain was already being used then, and that won't change Dec 01 21:00:11 mozilla tried to use the 2009 compiler instead of the 2007 compiler iirc Dec 01 21:00:25 (codesourcery versions) Dec 01 21:00:33 what bit them though wasn't technically the compiler Dec 01 21:00:36 that would have worked Dec 01 21:00:40 what bit them was the libc Dec 01 21:00:50 which "seemed" to work if you had an updated toolchain Dec 01 21:01:00 but didn't work deployed because people didn't have the newer libc Dec 01 21:01:27 note that this is from memory from a while ago Dec 01 21:01:46 was there just a TSG meeting that ended? Dec 01 21:02:03 no, it's still alive Dec 01 21:02:04 Hi, sjgadsby. :) Dec 01 21:02:05 kinda Dec 01 21:02:06 no, it's ongoing Dec 01 21:02:16 the TSG people themselves got stuck in think() Dec 01 21:02:18 Heya, GAN900. Dec 01 21:02:54 mwichmann++ for asking a useful documentation question Dec 01 21:03:12 timeless_mbp: note that Imad said he approved it Dec 01 21:03:36 DawnFoster: that part isn't interesting ;-) Dec 01 21:03:46 what's interesting is when no one speaks for a while :) Dec 01 21:03:53 i like the fact we have subarchs in the works too, that might be useful in future even for x86 Dec 01 21:04:12 Stskeeps: is !atom a subarch? :) Dec 01 21:04:36 i still think ssse3 should have been an rpm subarch, but that's a discussion better taken over beer Dec 01 21:05:41 but hey, it made amd get ssse3 too :) Dec 01 21:05:52 really? wow Dec 01 21:05:58 the weird stuff will start when we get to talk about sse4 Dec 01 21:08:36 mwichmann: do you have any idea what sort of quality 'specs' or guidelines are being included into the spec? Dec 01 21:08:42 mwichmann: or plans, there of Dec 01 21:08:57 waiting for someone to make suggestions Dec 01 21:09:42 dneary, plenty of meaty code tasks ahead. Dec 01 21:10:11 lcuk, If you see someone saying "Hi, I'm new!" point them at one, would you please? Dec 01 21:10:24 lcuk, I'll catch on after the first couple :) Dec 01 21:10:52 mwichmann: I see, so should I just email the meta-suggestions to the ML and cc you then? Dec 01 21:11:18 lcuk, Hoestly, right now I don't really know what to point at which wouuld be small enoughh to allow someone new to get into it, and consequential enough to provide a satisfying end result - siomething they can point to at the end & say "I did that" Dec 01 21:11:26 Anyway - must go Dec 01 21:11:27 Night Dec 01 21:11:39 for now Dec 01 21:12:26 dneary, :) sure thing. just trying to get a grasp now and it somehow doesnt feel right pushing people to code tasks when we dont know everything ourselves Dec 01 21:12:55 dneary: hey Dec 01 21:12:57 lcuk, That's when it's the most fun :) Dec 01 21:13:04 dneary, was saying to someone last night, theres some apps which are lacking in features but those which exist work Dec 01 21:13:06 dneary++ Dec 01 21:13:20 i believe one of them was the office presentation/powerpoint app Dec 01 21:13:28 i'lll file bugs about meego ui if someone gives me a tutorial for how to install meego onto my ideapad such that it shrinks my existing ntfs volume instead of killing it Dec 01 21:13:29 lcuk: let's start a wiki page for that, and link it from a "want to contribute: code" ? Dec 01 21:13:33 s/i'lll/i'll/ Dec 01 21:13:33 timeless_mbp meant: i'll file bugs about meego ui if someone gives me a tutorial for how to install meego onto my ideapad such that it shrinks my existing ntfs volume instead of killing it Dec 01 21:13:39 something as silly as that to see if people can add new features to it Dec 01 21:13:41 lcuk, What would you rather be doing: exploring unknown space, or following signposts to get to the beach? Dec 01 21:13:45 which obviously doesnt break the existing Dec 01 21:13:57 dneary: so if someone asks for a task, offer "non destructive install by shrinking" both in "document" and "code" Dec 01 21:13:58 lcuk: andI'm in for being the guinne pig for that Dec 01 21:14:05 dneary, the great unknown. Dec 01 21:14:08 timeless_mbp: LOL Dec 01 21:14:21 timeless_mbp, Why would you want to keep ntfs around? ;) Dec 01 21:14:28 timeless_mbp: lucky bastard, you got to save that wonderful shared touch based authoring app! Dec 01 21:14:36 Night Dec 01 21:14:37 I'm so technocratic Dec 01 21:14:48 dneary: because it gives me the ability to see what is possible Dec 01 21:14:57 sivang, hes not the only one http://liqbase.net/20101123_003.jpg Dec 01 21:14:57 it's a reference platform for the hardware Dec 01 21:15:05 and for UX Dec 01 21:15:39 * timeless_mbp rebases a patch queue of 217 items Dec 01 21:15:42 lcuk: :) Dec 01 21:17:06 lcuk: so th lacking apps are on handset/netbook or both? Dec 01 21:17:18 sivang, both Dec 01 21:18:06 lcuk: you have a list of features per app? I can scatch someting uner my user Dec 01 21:19:14 sivang, not in a format I can give you right now Dec 01 21:19:46 yesterday, i tried to connect my facebook acc with moblin and meego but cant find a way to do it, can somebody help? Dec 01 21:19:52 lcuk: so, I can ask you question and put my findings on the page, and dogfood the experience and feedback if it is too deep rabbit hole Dec 01 21:19:58 but I would love to see frals working with the SMS guys and some designers to build open mms/sms app :) Dec 01 21:20:28 lcuk: his app is not open at the moment? Dec 01 21:20:36 it was, last time I checked Dec 01 21:20:39 sure it is Dec 01 21:20:50 but do you know about the complexities of MMS? Dec 01 21:20:58 qlength -= upstreamed_count()/* == 7 */; Dec 01 21:21:35 lcuk: I had the pleasure to discuss this, and read longly about it after he kindly provided his online resources he used learning the subject Dec 01 21:21:50 lcuk: but I would need to review it now Dec 01 21:22:23 sivang, many of us around maemo had the pleasure to talk with frals whilst he did investigation on the subject Dec 01 21:22:26 it was a community development win Dec 01 21:22:27 :) Dec 01 21:22:33 lcuk: I got a general understanding for what it does to send them, from the Python code Dec 01 21:22:45 lcuk: indeed :) Dec 01 21:23:39 * lcuk thanks him every time I send/recv MMS :) Dec 01 21:25:46 sivang, put your findings on which page? Dec 01 21:25:56 * lcuk just read scrollback a bit and did not understand Dec 01 21:27:51 lcuk: how often do you do that? Dec 01 21:28:16 timeless_mbp, do what? MMSes? Dec 01 21:28:25 or not understanding Dec 01 21:28:26 yeah Dec 01 21:29:07 MMSes about 2-3 times a week, why? Dec 01 21:29:20 wow Dec 01 21:29:29 useful to know how often things are used Dec 01 21:29:31 which reminds me Dec 01 21:29:41 i need to file a bug about calendar screwing up an .ics import Dec 01 21:30:46 depends what I am doing Dec 01 21:30:47 and who I am talking to Dec 01 21:31:46 timeless_mbp, its easier to send direct phone-phone for somethings :) Dec 01 21:32:27 but in Dublin it didn't work to send or recv :( because it uses data channel Dec 01 21:32:48 * timeless_mbp beats the **** out of share Dec 01 21:33:17 i open file manager, type filter for a file, select the share view, type filter to the file (again), select the file, click share Dec 01 21:33:40 i'm given a choice of timeless-mbp and timeless-mbp , so i pick timeless-mbp Dec 01 21:34:22 that fails, so it dismisses: 1. the select a target device and 2. the filtered share view Dec 01 21:46:22 oh, someone should tell the proposer that the timeline was bogus Dec 01 21:46:28 http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Toolchains/ToolchainChangeProposal Dec 01 21:46:34 Timeline> Toolchain version must be agreed during 11/2010 and it must be available to testing in OBS at the beginning of 12/2010. Dec 01 21:46:42 we aren't in november :) Dec 01 21:48:10 no mention of codesourcery? has it been considered before? Dec 01 21:48:48 DesktopMM: nokia has used codesourcery historically Dec 01 21:48:54 DesktopMM: linaro is really where its at now Dec 01 21:49:42 I see Dec 01 21:50:01 something we also should look into? we use codesourcery for arm linux targets :P Dec 01 21:50:09 probably Dec 01 21:55:45 I assume I don't have a vote but by god please upgrade the toolchain :) Dec 01 21:57:12 DesktopMM: why? what are you missing? Dec 01 21:57:54 hmm just installed meego handset is there no IRC client in the repository? :-S Dec 01 21:57:55 not changing at the last opportunity to do so for great speed improvements sounds like a no brainer to me Dec 01 22:00:27 whoops I meant I installed meego-netbook (cant find an IRC client in repo) Dec 01 22:03:13 mikecomputing, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=13437 Dec 01 22:04:11 telepathy/empathy supports IRC Dec 01 22:04:25 just use the people panel -> IM settings -> add IRC server Dec 01 22:04:48 auke, I did but didnt find a wayt to join channels Dec 01 22:04:59 add chat Dec 01 22:05:21 people panel -> open messenger -> chat Dec 01 22:19:18 auke: now It works thanks :) Dec 01 22:19:29 yw Dec 01 22:22:42 anyone here who has tesed meego on an HP 210 I dont know if my problem is related to kernel but the damn fan sound kinda wierd even if top says CPU is idle. Dec 01 22:24:44 tongue in cheek question: Dec 01 22:25:09 has anyone asked RMS whether we should be GNU/MeeGo? Dec 01 22:25:51 lol Dec 01 22:26:09 shouldn't it technically be GNU + Linux Dec 01 22:26:23 cuz the '/' operator means something entirely different here Dec 01 22:26:28 GNU/Linux/MeeGo? Dec 01 22:26:41 tripzero, its all C++ so the operator can be anything he likes. Dec 01 23:03:55 lcuk, how much GNU are we actually using. :P Dec 01 23:04:12 i don;t GNU, do you? Dec 01 23:05:28 GNU. Dec 01 23:12:54 $75 x 3 months for a Windows Phone 7 banner at http://www.meetup.com/SFBay-MeeGo-Network/ - what to do, what to do... ;) Dec 01 23:14:22 qgil: go for it :) Dec 01 23:14:39 3 months is a lot ;) Dec 01 23:19:48 qgil, I dig the squinty-face profile picture. Dec 01 23:21:52 GAN900: comes from an automated email from meetup.com - looks like we are generating some interesting stats, at least worth $225 to someone. ;) Dec 01 23:22:32 Competition is good, right? ;) Dec 01 23:23:00 take the money and donate it to linux foundation ;-) Dec 01 23:23:12 GAN900: yeah, let me add the WP7 add for $225 and then ask MeeGo for a better bid Dec 01 23:23:35 Myrtti: also an idea Dec 01 23:24:01 Ha Dec 01 23:24:07 or donate it to other meego meetups to cover their meetup.com costs :-P Dec 01 23:24:10 Donate it to the meetup beer fund. Dec 01 23:24:45 Everyone enjoys irony. Dec 01 23:25:20 although ours is taken care of now by others than my personal credit card Dec 02 00:03:59 Can someone point me out to a wiki that will tell me how to compile the n900 meego kernel. Dec 02 00:03:59 I've been here: http://wiki.meego.com/Recompile_kernel Dec 02 00:03:59 and got the kernel-2.6.35.3-10.3.src.rpm file. Dec 02 00:03:59 I'm sure you guys have a way of automatically applying the pathes. Dec 02 00:20:09 hi Dec 02 00:20:33 ali1234, thanks for the link Dec 02 00:27:11 Hello, Is lbt online? Dec 02 00:27:39 Jet_: try /whois lbt Dec 02 00:27:42 or /whois lbt lbt Dec 02 00:27:49 I'm trying to add a meego core to an obs repository but it's saying 'Failed to add build targets: ... ... : does not exist'. I believe I typed a correct directory name, can anyone give any adivce? Dec 02 00:42:43 timeless_mbp: how's your doomed support case going Dec 02 00:42:52 my mac ran out of power Dec 02 00:42:58 heh Dec 02 00:43:06 when i got home i downloaded iTunes 10.1 dmg and installed it Dec 02 01:03:37 morning Dec 02 01:45:13 In OBS, how can I start it to build? Dec 02 01:45:47 It doesn't seem like doing automatically. Dec 02 01:51:11 Jun, when you commit changes it will start automatically Dec 02 01:52:07 Yes, it sould but my obs isn't.. the Build Status is still 'no build result available' Dec 02 01:53:09 I've never seen that status - have you build anything in this project? Dec 02 01:53:25 No, that's what I'm trying to do now.. Dec 02 01:53:35 do you have a repository for the project? Dec 02 01:53:44 sure, a meego Dec 02 01:54:03 hmm.. Dec 02 01:54:15 I added a rpm at the 'Source Files' Dec 02 01:54:32 and in the repository page do you see the build flag set? Dec 02 01:54:37 so you mean, now it should build it automatically and the result will be shown in the 'build status', right? Dec 02 01:54:44 absolutely yes. I can see Dec 02 01:55:11 yes, as soon as it sees any change (assuming that the repositories are set and all that) then it triggers a rebuild Dec 02 01:55:24 adding files/modifying files all trigger rebuilds Dec 02 01:56:54 what do you mean that you added rpm to source files? Dec 02 01:57:10 You need a spec file + tarball + possibly some patches in the source files, not an rpm Dec 02 01:57:25 aha! Dec 02 01:57:39 are those meego specific? Dec 02 01:58:12 nope - that's how you build rpms. Your input is the tarball + the specfile which tells it what to do, and the output is the binary rpm(s) + source rpm Dec 02 01:59:11 ok I'll look at it, thank you so much for the help Dec 02 01:59:23 at the bottom of obs webui there's usually a couple of links with info: "Building packages" and "Writing spec files" Dec 02 01:59:32 hm.. Dec 02 01:59:45 you probably want to read through those if you don't have experience with rpm building/specfile writing Dec 02 02:00:01 do I need to write the spec file by hand? acutally what I'm trying to test is just one of a meego core Dec 02 02:00:23 if it is a public package then there probably already is a specfile for it Dec 02 02:00:38 true.. Dec 02 02:00:41 so it's werid Dec 02 02:00:43 :( Dec 02 02:00:50 it should be built automatically Dec 02 02:00:51 If you have a source rpm you can use osc (the command-line interface to obs) to extract the tarball+specfile+patches from the sources Dec 02 02:01:09 you need to give it instructions on how to build it... Dec 02 02:01:51 hmm.. so if the rpm already has the tarball + spec + patches inside of itself, I just need to upload only the file? Dec 02 02:02:11 or even though, do I need to extract it and upload separatly? Dec 02 02:02:18 nope - the output of obs is rpms, both binary and source rpms. Dec 02 02:02:35 For input it only accepts the tarball+specfile+patches Dec 02 02:02:45 but you can get those if you have the source rpm Dec 02 02:03:02 by extracting it, right? Dec 02 02:03:12 just extract it locally (if you don't have osc installed) using rpm, something like "rpm -i file-src.rpm" Dec 02 02:03:21 and upload the files that it extracts into obs Dec 02 02:03:39 if you got the source rpm from meego it should just work Dec 02 02:03:49 if you got it from somewhere else you might have to tweak the specfile Dec 02 02:12:26 is it possible to run QtMobility 1.2 Video Capture on n900/Meego 1.1 ?? ( http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-mobility-snapshot/multimedia.html#video-clips ) and if so, how? Dec 02 02:14:30 (alternately, how would I do video or still camera capture with existing Meego 1.1 on n900 ?) Dec 02 02:22:06 hello? Dec 02 02:22:08 anyone there? Dec 02 02:22:10 npm: I think multimedia support in terms of camera stuff was added to Mobility in 1.1 Dec 02 02:22:26 I am having a problem running the KQEmu in windows 7 Dec 02 02:22:32 would there be someone here that can helpo? Dec 02 02:22:45 when I run QTCreator, I get "Can't connect to QEMU" Dec 02 02:22:53 even though I started the KQEmu server Dec 02 02:23:27 would there be anyone here who has installed the meego SDK for windows ? Dec 02 02:23:31 npm: so if you follow instructions on building and installing 1.1 you could probably get it working (via the GStreamer backend) in MeeGo Handset on N900 - although I've never tried, and it might not work I dunno. http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1/ Dec 02 02:24:23 well I think my problem might be with the installation of KQEmu Dec 02 02:24:25 i see that http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/multimedia.html#video-clips indicates it's supported in 1.1, so that's good. Does it work in practice? Dec 02 02:24:56 I changed the ".NT" with nothing, because I am using windows 7 Dec 02 02:25:11 then I use net start to start the service, and it indiciates that it started successfully Dec 02 02:25:15 is gstreamer backend on meego handset the right way to go, given that qtmobility claims to support it directly? Dec 02 02:26:07 but in QT creator, it says it cant connect to KQEMU. I'm wondering if this could be a permissions problem? or maybe where I have placed KQEmu is not the right spot? Dec 02 02:28:53 I'm sure if I met someone who had a working copy of QT creator with the Meego emulation, I could compare installation locations and make it work. Dec 02 02:31:11 how can there be so many people in here and no one saying a dam thing. lol. Dec 02 02:31:11 chriadam: would i invoke gstreamer backend via http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/service-frameworks.html#out-of-process-services in a Qt application for Meego/n900? ... also, http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/358 states "Currently there are two gstreamer camera backends on linux:the camerabin based one (you have to install gst-plugins-bad and gst-photography, this backend is used on N900), and the mediacapture backend which Dec 02 02:31:12 builds capture pipeline itself. The advanced camera controls like QCameraExposureControl require gst-photographyand are available only in the camerabin case." Dec 02 02:33:26 rowjelio: sorry, but i only know linux/unix well enough to help... Dec 02 02:36:35 no worries. thanks for the acknowledgement. I posted on the forum.meego.com too, but it's pretty dry there too. Dec 02 02:37:05 I guess the most frustrating part is I followed the instructions to the T, and it just doesnt work Dec 02 02:37:30 and I have yet to encounter someone with the same problem, but at the same time I have yet to encounter someone that even uses it at all Dec 02 02:38:12 when in doubt, reboot :-) (esp on windows) ... ok off to dinner Dec 02 02:43:30 rowjelio, you can hop on #gstreamer for help on using camerabin/photography. Camerabin usage should be simple. But I guess your problem is still on the setting up bits Dec 02 02:43:49 is csdb still here? Dec 02 02:44:02 I just want to get the darn KQEMU working, so I can buil an APP and TEST it Dec 02 02:44:22 do you happen to have a windows machine with the working Meego SDK on it? Dec 02 02:44:56 Sorry, I don't Dec 02 02:45:21 csdb: I extracted a rpm file and got a tar.gz and .spec and a directory. Which is the 'fatches'? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 02 02:59:58 2010