**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 05 02:59:58 2010
Dec 05 05:28:42 <rpanwala> when do we see first meego device
Dec 05 05:31:25 <Termana> Thankfully he left before I had to answer him
Dec 05 05:31:39 <theplic> lol
Dec 05 06:20:04 <Haro> Hi all , I would like to create a account for Meego OBS .. May i know procedure for that ???
Dec 05 06:21:34 <Haro> Hi all , I would like to create a account for Meego OBS .. May i know procedure for that ???
Dec 05 06:23:54 <berndhs> make an account on meego.com, and then ask lbt when he's awake
Dec 05 06:24:47 <Haro> berndhs : thank you
Dec 05 07:31:20 <theplic> whats OBS?
Dec 05 08:26:24 <Tili> can I not boot into meego using uboot?
Dec 05 08:26:39 <Tili> i got uboot working already on n900
Dec 05 08:28:46 <Stskeeps> you can boot the images from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php
Dec 05 08:32:54 <Tili> thanks
Dec 05 09:24:18 <Stskeeps> lo Meizirkki, how goes?
Dec 05 09:24:39 <Meizirkki> Hey Stskeeps
Dec 05 09:24:53 <Meizirkki> all well thanks
Dec 05 09:25:01 <Meizirkki> How are you?
Dec 05 09:26:01 <Stskeeps> i'm good, having a relaxing sunday :)
Dec 05 09:27:25 <Meizirkki> huh, it's been long since I was around here the last time...
Dec 05 09:27:31 <Meizirkki> :)
Dec 05 09:29:02 <Termana> morning Stskeeps and Meizirkki
Dec 05 09:29:33 <Meizirkki> good morning Termana
Dec 05 09:29:49 <andre__> morn morn!
Dec 05 09:30:16 <Termana> morning andre__
Dec 05 09:38:30 <Stskeeps> watching meego base packages build without cross compilation is about as much fun as watching wallpaper dry
Dec 05 09:39:40 <notabugs> hello, Can I download via torrent meego?
Dec 05 09:39:57 <notabugs> version 1.1
Dec 05 09:40:32 <Stskeeps> no, but mirrors.kernel.org/meego/ might be faster for you
Dec 05 09:43:38 <notabugs> thanks
Dec 05 09:45:13 <Meizirkki> Hmm, out of curiosity: Has someone looked at running Meego on ZTE Blade yet?
Dec 05 09:45:46 <Meizirkki> It's very cheap phone.. too slow maybe?
Dec 05 09:46:33 <Stskeeps> is it hackable?
Dec 05 09:46:46 <Meizirkki> I heard it is
Dec 05 09:47:21 <Meizirkki> There are a bunch of custom android roms out there, but I can't find anything non-android
Dec 05 09:47:38 <Meizirkki> *is
Dec 05 09:50:03 <Meizirkki> Seems to be the same CPU the HTC legend has
Dec 05 11:06:24 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Dec 05 11:07:11 <Stskeeps> morn jaffa
Dec 05 11:15:40 <sivang> morning
Dec 05 11:15:48 * CosmoHill stretches and waves
Dec 05 11:15:52 <sivang> hey ColKilkenny
Dec 05 11:15:56 <sivang> ops :)
Dec 05 11:16:01 <sivang> CosmoHill, et al
Dec 05 11:16:26 <Stskeeps> morn sivang
Dec 05 11:16:46 <sivang> anybody know of a good web collaboration suite ? like having a good docs sharing and sahred working, web mail , calendar, sync, etc?
Dec 05 11:16:53 <sivang> hey Stskeeps , how's it going?
Dec 05 11:17:29 <Stskeeps> it's going fine - sunny day here
Dec 05 11:17:43 <sivang> Stskeeps: that's nice, although I wish we had some rain to take off this dreadful fire
Dec 05 11:17:52 <sivang> well, we need a lot of rain, not jus tsome
Dec 05 11:17:54 <sivang> *some
Dec 05 11:29:29 * CosmoHill staples microstic to the channel
Dec 05 12:04:55 <niala> hello
Dec 05 12:05:38 <CosmoHill> polp
Dec 05 12:05:41 <CosmoHill> plop*
Dec 05 12:06:21 <niala> hello CosmoHill
Dec 05 12:29:24 * CosmoHill changes assignments when he works out how much they are worth
Dec 05 13:02:21 <thp> where do i report a segfault in QtMobility on MeeGo Netbook? bugs.meego.com or the Qt bugtracker or somewhere else?
Dec 05 13:39:13 <thp> nm, filed as http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10886
Dec 05 13:41:11 <thiago_home> we're almost at the Dune years
Dec 05 13:54:28 <Stskeeps> thp: cool @ qml hildon widgets
Dec 05 14:19:24 <lcuk> thp if the bug occurs on meego, report it on bmc
Dec 05 14:33:58 <lcuk> thp, is this related to what we discussed the other day  and did you try running it as root (because of the strange wanrings on your console output)
Dec 05 14:38:40 <thp> Stskeeps: it's much faster than "real" hildon widgets.. which is a shame (for hildon) :p
Dec 05 14:39:49 <thp> lcuk: also segfaults when running with "sudo"
Dec 05 14:40:50 <thp> Stskeeps: and as this only requires the theme images, this would run on any qml-capable platform as well
Dec 05 14:43:01 <Stskeeps> thp: wonder if it'd be useful as a backend to qt components
Dec 05 14:43:08 <Stskeeps> to have those have a 'native' view on m5
Dec 05 14:44:23 <Stskeeps> i wonder if this in some way could be useful for bringing hildon apps to meego
Dec 05 14:45:27 <lcuk> Stskeeps, no.
Dec 05 14:46:08 <thp> i guess it's more useful for newly-written apps
Dec 05 14:46:11 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Dec 05 14:46:24 <lcuk> but you are right about native look on m5
Dec 05 14:46:55 <lcuk> thp, if someone were to start building qml apps using these
Dec 05 14:47:23 <lcuk> will things get complex if they wanted to change the look/feel to switch between style/ux feeling
Dec 05 14:48:07 <lcuk> or is this just a bit of fun proof of concept
Dec 05 14:51:25 <Stskeeps> or the fact hildon is possible to remake in 200 lines of qml
Dec 05 14:51:25 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 05 14:51:29 <Stskeeps> (basis)
Dec 05 14:52:32 <thp> i've just done basic components (buttons, etc..) - these are pretty straightforward
Dec 05 14:52:44 <thp> combo boxes, etc.. are most likely more complex
Dec 05 14:53:10 <thp> but then, the example includes parts of the window manager as well - dialogs, ...
Dec 05 14:56:59 <thp> http://www.flickr.com/photos/thp4/5234681136/
Dec 05 14:57:49 <thp> what license does the hildon "alpha" theme have, btw? any chance to get it opened up?
Dec 05 14:58:15 <Stskeeps> closed, i think
Dec 05 14:58:49 <Stskeeps> use any themes in extras that's based off hildon-theme-layout-5 instead, those are cc sa i think
Dec 05 14:58:55 <lolloo> hey thp, this way better
Dec 05 14:58:56 <lolloo> http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5234681136_857b3564e6.jpg
Dec 05 14:59:56 <lolloo> by the what phone is that?
Dec 05 15:00:41 <thp> n8
Dec 05 15:02:16 <thp> Stskeeps: yep, one could use e.g. marina on non-maemo platforms and the currently selected theme on maemo
Dec 05 15:02:44 <lolloo> thp, awesome
Dec 05 15:03:14 <Jaffa> thp: That's very cool.
Dec 05 15:03:30 <lolloo> thp, is it maemo?
Dec 05 15:04:01 <thp> lolloo: symbian^3. on the photo it's running qmlviewer from qt 4.7 in fullscreen mode with the hildon-qml example loaded
Dec 05 15:04:10 <lolloo> wow
Dec 05 15:04:44 <lolloo> Qt rulezzzz
Dec 05 15:06:02 <lcuk> Stskeeps, if the qml can actually run hildon apps then its good, until then its an impressive mockup (great example of flexibility of qml)
Dec 05 15:07:59 <thp> it's not meant to make existing hildon apps runnable on qml
Dec 05 15:08:50 <thp> it's more like "when somebody wants to create a new app for their n900, they could use this, and it will work on all qml platforms, but still look "at home" on n900
Dec 05 15:08:59 <npm> thp -- is that the new gpodder using QML -- got source? [[ need to look/learn/copy from some significant application coding in QML for http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com ]]
Dec 05 15:09:18 <thp> (the idea came when i was wondering whether or not qt quick components would provide a maemo 5 look and feel)
Dec 05 15:09:41 <thp> npm: no, it's not the new gpodder qml ui. it's just a demo/mockup/example
Dec 05 15:10:25 <lcuk> thp, sure thing, what happens if the ui expects different interactions, for instance its not just the theme but the whole feel of the ui to fit in with platform
Dec 05 15:10:26 <npm> what happens when you run the mockup/example on meego instead of maemo?
Dec 05 15:15:15 <thp> npm: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5248/5234731634_947bbcb7df.jpg
Dec 05 15:15:32 <thp> lcuk: what do you mean with "different interactions"?
Dec 05 15:16:15 <lcuk> thp dialogs and stuff look/feel differently on different systems and even just differences between landscape/portrait
Dec 05 15:16:46 <thp> lcuk: it's just one canvas, so i don't really care.
Dec 05 15:16:49 <lolloo> awesome
Dec 05 15:17:54 <thp> lcuk: even on MTF, dialogs are not "real" dialogs anymore - just some visual things inside a single QGraphicsView
Dec 05 15:19:43 * CosmoHill headbangs desk
Dec 05 15:20:11 <thp> npm: "real" gpodder qml is not here yet. will look much different from the maemo 5 ui probably.
Dec 05 15:20:41 <thp> npm: a very early demo with overused effects, but the real python backend: http://youtu.be/JuA0qRRpwHI
Dec 05 15:21:35 <npm> thp: neat... looking forward to being able to use it
Dec 05 15:47:04 <sivang> thp: you created hildon qml theme?
Dec 05 16:01:38 <Stskeeps> how's QML like anyway with focus and so on (use cursor keys to move to elements)
Dec 05 16:01:38 <Stskeeps> ?
Dec 05 16:02:43 <thp> sivang: i didn't create the theme. just some qml components (gitorious.org/hildon-qml/demo)
Dec 05 16:03:06 <thp> Stskeeps: there's focus support, but it has to be enabled manually i think
Dec 05 16:03:34 <Stskeeps> i'm thinking that'd be useful for let's say meego tv or dumbphones :P
Dec 05 16:03:56 <Stskeeps> (cursor movement, etc)
Dec 05 16:03:59 <thp> Stskeeps: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qdeclarativefocus.html
Dec 05 16:04:21 <thp> Stskeeps: afaik dumbphones (at least from nokia) are probably going to have a touchscreen, anyway
Dec 05 16:04:26 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Dec 05 16:04:56 <thp> for meego tv.. something like the wiimote maybe? ;)
Dec 05 16:05:26 <Stskeeps> that's my plan
Dec 05 16:05:26 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 05 16:05:34 <Stskeeps> at least for my home project
Dec 05 16:06:17 <thp> Stskeeps: you just need a wiimote + bt + a "wireless sensor bar" (aka a piece of plastic, powered by batteries, with 2 ir leds on each side)
Dec 05 16:06:34 <Stskeeps> thp: yeah, i thought a wireless sensor bar
Dec 05 16:06:44 <Stskeeps> thp: just didnt have time to find a seperate wiimote yet
Dec 05 16:07:09 <Stskeeps> er, bought
Dec 05 16:07:17 <Stskeeps> man, my spelling engine is broken tonight :)
Dec 05 16:08:39 <sivang> thp: nice, you're adding it to qt-components?
Dec 05 16:09:30 <Stskeeps> thp: any good guides for pyside + qml yet?
Dec 05 16:11:39 * CosmoHill grows at internet sockets
Dec 05 16:11:41 <CosmoHill> growls*
Dec 05 16:13:25 <thp> Stskeeps: lots!
Dec 05 16:13:40 <Stskeeps> hmm, i must not be looking enough then
Dec 05 16:13:40 <thp> as in "9"
Dec 05 16:13:50 <thp> Stskeeps: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/PySideDocumentation
Dec 05 16:14:00 <thp> "Application Component Tutorials"
Dec 05 16:14:07 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 05 16:14:19 <thp> i've written them throughout the week to check out what works and what does not
Dec 05 16:14:36 <Alison_Chaiken> BTW, some discussion about Python support from MeeGo at http://tinyurl.com/37d4rq3  I hope that we can get the Community folks to support outreach to pythonistas, although I'm a bit busier figuring out why my Pandaboard doesn't recognize its display or create an eth0 device.
Dec 05 16:14:54 <thp> Stskeeps: the qtmobility one is pretty nifty: http://youtu.be/DpVpSZSOcGM
Dec 05 16:16:08 <thp> Alison_Chaiken: i'll be giving a talk about pyside + qml at the pyugat meeting next sunday, let's see if there is some feedback then
Dec 05 16:19:02 <lcuk> thp, that pyside one looks similar to the beyond portrait vid :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q&NR=1
Dec 05 16:19:17 <Alison_Chaiken> thp, we have a giant and active Python community here in SF.   It's a big opportunity to get MeeGo talking to Python at May's meeting, but I haven't figured out how to make it happen.
Dec 05 16:21:34 <dnltea> cool vid ;-)
Dec 05 16:43:51 <berndhs> Alison_Chaiken: free beer, they wil start talking
Dec 05 17:00:31 <rumohr> hey there... one quetstion.. the hardware minimum to match me meego compliance is only given for Netbooks (1024x600-screen, keyboard, etc).. is there one for smartphones?
Dec 05 17:02:03 <Alison_Chaiken> berndhs, too early for beer here, I'm having coffee and cereal.
Dec 05 17:02:25 <berndhs> yeah :)
Dec 05 17:02:48 <berndhs> i mean of course, if they are local, consider starting in a social setting
Dec 05 17:09:08 <rumohr> aren't there hardware requirements for meego-compliance for smartphones?
Dec 05 17:12:41 <berndhs> rumohr: there will be, the compliance spec isn't finalized
Dec 05 17:15:23 <rumohr> ah, okay. thx...
Dec 05 17:24:03 <lcuk> Alison_Chaiken, since when is beer and cereal mutually incompatible?
Dec 05 17:33:44 <thp> lcuk: yes, like http://youtu.be/-hjh8Or9b2s
Dec 05 17:35:40 * lcuk nods indeedy
Dec 05 17:35:48 <ali1234> it's so laggy
Dec 05 17:35:55 <ali1234> what's the point of it?
Dec 05 17:41:38 <npm> thp: attempting to get your hildon-qml/demo -- "fatal: http://gitorious.org/hildon-qml/demo/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?"
Dec 05 17:42:18 <npm> never mind operator error
Dec 05 17:42:41 <npm> dealing w/ too many rev control systems
Dec 05 17:43:08 <thp> git clone http://git.gitorious.org/hildon-qml/demo.git :)
Dec 05 17:43:31 <thp> npm: you also need to run it in a n900, as the artwork isn't included in the demo, but referenced from the system
Dec 05 17:43:43 <thp> (or copy the data and/or change the paths in hildon/hildon.js)
Dec 05 17:43:48 <npm> n900 maemo or meego?
Dec 05 17:44:31 <thp> maemo
Dec 05 17:45:34 <npm> can it run on meego too?
Dec 05 17:46:36 <thp> npm: yes, copy /etc/hildon/theme/images/ and /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon/ from a live maemo 5 system into meego
Dec 05 17:55:52 <berndhs> should there be a more prominent link to this page http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP ?
Dec 05 18:03:30 * CosmoHill gives up with his assignments for now and goes to kill people on the PS3
Dec 05 18:03:56 <lcuk> berndhs, sure
Dec 05 18:04:13 <lcuk> i just updated the ITP page with the forum thread link also for package requests
Dec 05 18:05:00 <morci> hi
Dec 05 18:48:25 <Alison_Chaiken> lcuk, what kind of cereal goes with beer?   I prefer hoppy beers, but have only ever had Miller Genuine Draft for breakfast, while water-skiing.   I suppose a sweeter beer (a porter?) is okay.    Meanwhile, framebuffer and network problems of meego on panda remained unsolved, although panda.ks is under careful scrutiny.
Dec 05 19:04:44 <lcuk> Alison_Chaiken, it doesnt matter what beer as long as the cereal floats and you can eat it with a spoon its a win
Dec 05 19:06:08 <Alison_Chaiken> lcuk, I did see several aMeegos coming into the hotel as I left for the airport on the morning after the conference at 3:30 AM.   They must have been outing having breakfast.
Dec 05 19:15:51 <berndhs> Alison_Chaiken: they were already on their work schedule for their home timezone, no doubt
Dec 05 19:24:52 <Stskeeps> Alison_Chaiken: feel free to ask about panda/meego problems in #meego-arm as well :)
Dec 05 19:27:18 <lcuk> RevdKathy, i actually like the more friendly messages
Dec 05 19:27:48 <RevdKathy> Really? It faintly creeped me out to hear the computer refer to itself as 'I'
Dec 05 19:28:07 <RevdKathy> I like friendly messages but does it really have a sense of self?
Dec 05 19:28:50 <w00t> I'm sorry Kathy, I'm afraid I can't do that
Dec 05 19:28:55 <lcuk> well make a poll and suggest alternatives for that case
Dec 05 19:29:08 <brik> haha, I thought it was amusing "I'm running out of battery, I'll be shutting down soon!"
Dec 05 19:29:34 <lcuk> "scanning for nearby electrical outlets"
Dec 05 19:29:50 <lcuk> "identified active biomass, preparing interface"
Dec 05 19:29:50 <w00t> lcuk: let's hope they don't realise they can use humans as an energy source
Dec 05 19:29:54 <w00t> (matrix here we come)
Dec 05 19:30:48 <lcuk> w00t, its actually an area of tech that would be really practically useful for pacemakers etc
Dec 05 19:30:56 <w00t> sure
Dec 05 19:31:07 <w00t> until they switch off if they don't like you and burst out of your chest and into someone else
Dec 05 19:31:14 <w00t> :p
Dec 05 19:31:16 <lcuk> o_O :D
Dec 05 19:31:26 <RevdKathy> When it reaches the stage or Orac or Data, it can talk to me. ;)
Dec 05 19:33:24 <lcuk> RevdKathy, o_O orac sounds as miserable as marvin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoHkaFDTiD8
Dec 05 19:34:00 <RevdKathy> Orac wasn't so much miserable as irascible. And Data was lovely. ;)
Dec 05 19:35:04 <lcuk> holly was better
Dec 05 19:35:46 <Jay_BEE> howdy
Dec 05 19:36:01 <RevdKathy> Point of view, that one, lcuk
Dec 05 19:37:37 <lcuk> did linux get ported to positronix matrix?
Dec 05 19:38:45 <RevdKathy> Dunno... Data was known to occasionally require a reboot.
Dec 05 19:56:31 <berndhs> is anyone using telepathy-qt4 ?
Dec 05 19:59:16 <thp> RevdKathy: the low battery message is a good example of bad ui strings / wording =)
Dec 05 20:00:00 <RevdKathy> lcuk likes it, apparently. I'm all for informal messages, but was uneasy about the computer refering to itself in the first person
Dec 05 20:00:05 <thp> other examples were given in sivang and timeless' talk, although i can't find the link right now
Dec 05 20:00:20 <timeless_mbp> conference2010.meego.com/session/creating-first-choice-open-source-mobile-platform-learning-mistakes-past-and-beyond
Dec 05 20:00:36 <thp> ..that was fast :)
Dec 05 20:00:42 <timeless_mbp> urlbars are my friend
Dec 05 20:00:47 <ali1234> my files/your files was another example
Dec 05 20:01:16 <timeless_mbp> but yeah the low battery warning in meego is supposedly impressive
Dec 05 20:01:19 <timeless_mbp> i haven't seen it yet
Dec 05 20:02:01 <RevdKathy> It makes me think of Noel Coward.. I say Old chap, I've noticed your battery is running a tad low
Dec 05 20:02:17 <thp> "Your pages" / "Me and my computer" (slides, pg. 34/35)
Dec 05 20:02:32 <Cotueur> hello
Dec 05 20:02:54 <ali1234> i saw a whole manual written in the first person the other day "first i will plug in the computer..." etc
Dec 05 20:03:03 <RevdKathy> I don't mind it addressing me as 'you'. But I never met one that referred to itself as 'i' before.
Dec 05 20:03:06 <timeless_mbp> ali1234: AYIE
Dec 05 20:03:32 <timeless_mbp> RevdKathy: i really object to conversations logs using 'you' instead of 'me'
Dec 05 20:03:32 <Cotueur> Can I found some support for meego here ? (Sorry for my bad english ^^)
Dec 05 20:03:50 <timeless_mbp> Cotueur: s/found/find/
Dec 05 20:04:42 <Cotueur> oups... I wrote a little too fast :)
Dec 05 20:05:01 <timeless_mbp> Cotueur: it's ok
Dec 05 20:05:07 <timeless_mbp> you indicated your English isn't perfect
Dec 05 20:05:15 <timeless_mbp> i wasn't correcting as a complaint, merely a helping hand
Dec 05 20:07:20 <Cotueur> ok, thank. But it's the good place for some help ?
Dec 05 20:07:39 <Cotueur> Or it's just a chan for general purpose ?
Dec 05 20:07:40 <RevdKathy> Depends what you're looking for :)
Dec 05 20:08:12 <Stskeeps> Cotueur: just ask :)
Dec 05 20:08:34 <Cotueur> I have a little bug when I try to update Meego with the application
Dec 05 20:09:01 <thp> Cotueur: which meego (netbook i presume?)? which application?
Dec 05 20:09:28 <Cotueur> I try to traduct the message
Dec 05 20:09:45 <Cotueur> yes Meego on MSI Wind
Dec 05 20:11:19 <Cotueur> The message talk about a problem with a security "signature"
Dec 05 20:12:05 <Cotueur> So, then the update of list of software never finish
Dec 05 20:12:30 <Cotueur> And I can't do any action on update soft
Dec 05 20:17:26 <timeless_mbp> Cotueur: are you using wifi?
Dec 05 20:17:30 <Cotueur> Yes
Dec 05 20:18:23 <timeless_mbp> if you visit https://secure.google.com what happens?
Dec 05 20:18:51 <timeless_mbp> hrm, not secure
Dec 05 20:18:57 <timeless_mbp> https://encrypted.google.com/
Dec 05 20:18:58 <timeless_mbp> sorry :)
Dec 05 20:19:58 <Cotueur> I can visit this page
Dec 05 20:20:03 <timeless_mbp> hrm, ok
Dec 05 20:20:21 <timeless_mbp> what version of meego netbook are you using?
Dec 05 20:20:43 <Cotueur> good question...
Dec 05 20:20:51 <Cotueur> the latest :)
Dec 05 20:22:41 <Cotueur> 1.1
Dec 05 20:24:51 <Cotueur> How can I see the number version ?
Dec 05 20:27:35 <timeless_mbp> dunno
Dec 05 20:27:52 <berndhs> Cotueur: cat /etc/meego-release
Dec 05 20:29:36 <Cotueur> meego release 1.1
Dec 05 20:30:01 <Cotueur> BUILD: meego-netbook-ia32-1.1
Dec 05 20:39:37 <rumohr> "MX Libraries" -> what does MX stand for? UX stands for "user experience", i suggest?
Dec 05 20:40:06 <rumohr> it occurs in the wik article about MeeGo Architecture Layer View
Dec 05 20:42:36 <lcuk> rumohr, MX is Moblin user eXperience
Dec 05 20:42:37 <lcuk> http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2009/11/18/a-new-clutter-widget-toolkit/
Dec 05 20:43:23 <rumohr> ah, okay...
Dec 05 20:44:24 <Cotueur> erf
Dec 05 20:44:32 <Cotueur> RTFM for me
Dec 05 20:44:41 <Cotueur> I found this : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=360
Dec 05 20:45:40 <lbt> haroun: pong
Dec 05 20:46:09 <timeless_mbp> Cotueur: glad you found it
Dec 05 20:46:11 <timeless_mbp> that sucks though
Dec 05 20:46:17 <timeless_mbp> terrible ue, very sorry about it
Dec 05 20:46:50 <timeless_mbp> it doesn't look like there's a useful intrastructure bug on file to avoid repeating that disaster
Dec 05 20:47:22 <lbt> mmm infra bugs?
Dec 05 20:47:27 <timeless_mbp> lbt: so..
Dec 05 20:47:38 <timeless_mbp> somewhere between 1.1 original and today, it looks like the repo cert changed
Dec 05 20:47:40 <timeless_mbp> afaict
Dec 05 20:48:05 <timeless_mbp> repo certs shouldn't be allowed to change w/o a process for updating deployed users
Dec 05 20:48:09 <lbt> meego core ?
Dec 05 20:48:15 <timeless_mbp> http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2562
Dec 05 20:48:38 <timeless_mbp> i wonder if it's actually better to endoflife a server and replace it w/ a new dns name
Dec 05 20:48:55 <timeless_mbp> and have the old server merely have one package which updates the cert and path
Dec 05 20:49:00 <lbt> ryan ware is the bod to ask
Dec 05 20:49:31 <timeless_mbp> does he appear on irc?
Dec 05 20:49:46 <lbt> not sure
Dec 05 20:49:51 <CosmoHill> there is a ryan on IRC but I don't know if he's your guy
Dec 05 20:50:20 <X-Fade> CosmoHill: No, that is GeneralAntilles ;)
Dec 05 20:50:27 <Cotueur> yes, instruction on the post works :)
Dec 05 20:50:41 <CosmoHill> probably
Dec 05 20:51:48 <X-Fade> CosmoHill: Well, I have met both of them and they are not the same :)
Dec 05 20:52:20 <CosmoHill> that would be creepy if there were doubles, i mean they're from different parts of the world
Dec 05 20:53:06 <X-Fade> CosmoHill: Not really. Both US based, which from our EU view is all the same.
Dec 05 20:53:07 <haroun> lbt: I sent you an email.. Did u have a chance to look at it ?
Dec 05 20:53:24 <lbt> haroun: yes - you're enabled
Dec 05 20:53:27 <CosmoHill> ah fair enough
Dec 05 20:53:32 <haroun> lbt: thanks
Dec 05 21:02:36 <npm> is there an image/repo for n900 that includes QtMobility 1.1, which seems to be the first version that supports camera ... http://code.google.com/p/ytd-meego/issues/detail?id=1#c3
Dec 05 21:04:18 <npm> or is there  an easy way to deliver a statically linked app containing qtmobility 1.1 onto a working n900/meego ?
Dec 05 21:05:03 <npm> or... would installing qtmobility 1.1 over existing meego 1.1 handset image break anything?
Dec 05 21:05:13 <thiago_home> it might, but it shouldn't break
Dec 05 21:06:46 <npm> i guess i could install mobility and qt 4.7.1 in a separate dir and use QTDIR and QTLIB env-vars when running my app?
Dec 05 21:16:06 <thiago_home> npm: LD_LIBRARY_PATH
Dec 05 21:16:09 <thiago_home> QTDIR means nothing at all
Dec 05 21:20:30 <markinfo> Hallo. I have nokia n810. There is now os2008. But some programs are no more updated. I have found http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0    "Boot into XFCE4 on N810 with working keyboard"   it seems great because on desktop i user also XFE. But wenn it will be available?
Dec 05 21:22:38 <markinfo> Stskeeps, hi, you know probably?
Dec 05 21:25:11 <Stskeeps> markinfo: currently there are no armv5 builds for meego so project stalled a bit
Dec 05 21:26:28 <markinfo> Stskeeps, will it be usable practically?  due to CPU and RAM power?  Runs it smooth enough?
Dec 05 21:30:38 <ali1234> considering that it doesn't run "smooth" on an n900 i wouldn't get my hopes up
Dec 05 21:30:52 <Stskeeps> markinfo: wasnt half bad on xfce :P handset ux def not
Dec 05 21:34:17 <markinfo> hm - I have installed XFCE on Celeron 366, 96MB RAM and 4GB HDD a few days ago and it was quite slow. But wenn was opened only one programm it was still usable.
Dec 05 21:35:06 <ali1234> the ram in a celeron would be super slow
Dec 05 21:35:13 <ali1234> its not just about cpu speed
Dec 05 21:35:26 <thiago_home> now try running something with OpenGL hardware acceleration
Dec 05 21:35:36 <thiago_home> smooth 60fps animations
Dec 05 21:35:57 <ali1234> 60 fps on meego?
Dec 05 21:36:41 <thiago_home> yes
Dec 05 21:37:11 <ali1234> cool
Dec 05 21:37:17 <ali1234> it was never possible on maemo...
Dec 05 21:40:12 <markinfo> the question is - will it be available sometime?   I do not know what to do with my nokia n810 - if to keep it or not.
Dec 05 21:41:26 <ali1234> what is "it"?
Dec 05 21:41:50 <thiago_home> meego for n810? not really planned...
Dec 05 21:41:59 <thiago_home> the server infrastructure is offline
Dec 05 21:42:44 <Stskeeps> markinfo: only thing done is some hobbyists working on it but since meego.com doesnt build for the cpu arch in n8x0 its a bit hopeless
Dec 05 21:43:06 <Stskeeps> markinfo: a recompile is possible but if its worth it..
Dec 05 21:45:43 <haroun> Need help. how to setup a standalone OBS setup for Meego ??? Can someone point me a exact procedure or Url ?
Dec 05 21:47:23 <markinfo> Stskeeps, is there some principal Problem that blocks it or is this a question of compilation only?
Dec 05 21:47:38 <markinfo> i mean some problem with hardware.
Dec 05 21:48:23 <Stskeeps> markinfo: well, cant be meego compliant since we dont have glesv2
Dec 05 21:49:07 <thiago_home> I think there are drivers for OMAP2
Dec 05 21:49:11 <thiago_home> it's an SGX anyway
Dec 05 21:49:25 <Stskeeps> nop, MBX
Dec 05 21:49:32 <Stskeeps> glesv1
Dec 05 21:49:50 <thiago_home> ah
Dec 05 21:49:52 <thiago_home> useless then
Dec 05 21:50:22 <ali1234> markinfo: the problem is that meego is optimized for hardware that doesn't currently exist, anything you can buy today is too old
Dec 05 21:51:04 <markinfo> nokia n900 too?
Dec 05 21:51:21 <ali1234> yes, it runs like a dog
Dec 05 21:51:48 <markinfo> hm - some dogs are running very fast - some very slow.
Dec 05 21:51:53 <Stskeeps> ali1234: thats not really cos of whatever its optimized for, more like not optimized :P
Dec 05 21:52:09 <ali1234> it is
Dec 05 21:52:11 <thiago_home> n900 is an OMAP3, it has GLESv2
Dec 05 21:52:32 <ali1234> meego is optimized for end to end 3d acceleration
Dec 05 21:52:32 <Stskeeps> ali1234: new sgx drivers make a world of difference as well as the usual boosting tricks
Dec 05 21:54:06 <markinfo> hm - i see Nokia n900 can be buyed for 190€ .... i payed in spring for n810 150€
Dec 05 21:54:35 <Stskeeps> anyhow, sleep time
Dec 05 21:57:24 <ali1234> i must say that i find the rotation effect on handset quite comical
Dec 05 21:57:37 <markinfo> will it be easyier/possible to have XFCE on nokia n900?
Dec 05 21:57:42 <ali1234> it rotates the display 90 degrees... but then it is the wrong aspect ratio to fit on the screen
Dec 05 21:57:48 <thiago_home> markinfo: compile and run it
Dec 05 21:57:50 <ali1234> and then it just jumps to the new version
Dec 05 21:58:00 <ali1234> what is the point? just change it instantly
Dec 05 22:00:08 <thiago_home> the effect you see must not be the final version then
Dec 05 22:00:46 <ali1234> what does the final version do?
Dec 05 22:02:06 <thiago_home> can't tell you
Dec 05 22:02:11 <ali1234> heh
Dec 05 22:02:19 <ali1234> "something really good, honest"
Dec 05 22:02:41 <ali1234> i hope it does what symbian^3 does
Dec 06 00:22:12 <CosmoHill> cyas
Dec 06 00:22:54 <niala>  night CosmoHill
Dec 06 00:23:10 <CosmoHill>  backup && sudo shutdown -h now
Dec 06 00:23:21 <CosmoHill> bye
Dec 06 00:23:32 <Jay_BEE> l8rz
Dec 06 00:32:49 * ljp wonders how connman can consistantly fail to configure a wired network..
Dec 06 00:37:03 <berndhs> ljp: its easy
Dec 06 00:51:42 <ljp> easy for connman
Dec 06 02:06:29 <magius_pendragon> I've got meego on a netbook that I'm converting to a slate. I have 2 questions: 1) How's the Tablet UX coming? Is it possible to get ahold of it? Not afraid to do soem devel. 2) Is there any extra framework I should be aware of to make the UI touch-aware?
Dec 06 02:48:18 <ljp> hmm.. the 'preview' repo does not seem to be there anymore
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