**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 06 02:59:57 2010
Dec 06 04:17:58 <Termana> morning
Dec 06 04:21:54 <berndhs> night
Dec 06 04:52:39 <ljp> afternoon
Dec 06 05:05:42 <Alison_Chaiken> githogori, kimitake and I will hold with night.
Dec 06 05:37:17 <kimitake> hi, Alison, do you have meego pub obs account?
Dec 06 06:12:42 <npm> re: <thiago_home> QTDIR means nothing at all ... --> does QTDIR not exist on Meego's Qt??
Dec 06 06:13:36 <npm> for example http://qtjambi.sourceforge.net/development/building/ "QTDIRYou need to set a few environment variables for this: On Linux modifying compile.sh is most likely the easiest way, on Windows you can add the needed paths in the correct order to have proper Qt- and other tools"
Dec 06 06:15:30 <Stskeeps> ljp: there's 'daily' repos now
Dec 06 06:16:47 <ljp> I saw that but see no mention of removal of the preview repos on the mailing list/forum, but I could have easily missed it
Dec 06 06:17:45 <Alison_Chaiken> Hey, kimitake, I didn't create an obs account.   I've been failing with mic2 today instead.
Dec 06 06:18:43 <Stskeeps> Alison_Chaiken: the good thing about failing with mic2 is that once you get over that hurdle, everything else seems easy :P
Dec 06 06:18:57 <Stskeeps> ljp: yeah, they forgot to mention that one, but since preview is basically 'daily image on friday'..
Dec 06 06:22:03 <Stskeeps> Alison_Chaiken: what errors are you getting?
Dec 06 06:39:41 <Alison_Chaiken> Stskeeps, I spent pretty much all day mulling over panda.ks, looking through the repos, reading mic2 docs, etc.   Finally I compiled and made a new SD card and booted the Panda.   The Panda said /boot was unreadable!   So then I reformatted the card and started all over, resulting in the same error.    This is all amazing since when I put the stock Panda image on a card, it went smoothly.   Maybe the stupid SD card is bad.
Dec 06 06:41:50 <Alison_Chaiken> But at least my new filesystem, even though it can't be booted, has emacs rather than vim.  Tomorrow is another day.
Dec 06 06:43:22 <Alison_Chaiken> By the way, if you have upgraded to Fedora 14, mic-image-creator no longer works, because F14 has python-2.7 rather than python-2.6.   F14 repos don't have a new mic2 rpm, but it's easy to get mic2 from git repo and build it (make, make install).
Dec 06 06:43:23 <Stskeeps> Alison_Chaiken: so, you took the raw output of mic2 and wrote it to sd?
Dec 06 06:44:37 <Stskeeps> if so, i can explain why
Dec 06 06:44:47 <Alison_Chaiken> Stskeeps, I carefully followed the instructions on the OMAP4/MeeGo website.   The first time, it worked like a charm with the stock image.   Not sure why my new image has a broken /boot unless the chip is bad.   I changed the ext3 filesystem, not /boot.
Dec 06 06:45:08 <Stskeeps> Alison_Chaiken: url?
Dec 06 06:45:30 <Stskeeps> so the problem is that omap bootloaders need a bizarre partition support
Dec 06 06:45:43 <Stskeeps> support/setup
Dec 06 06:45:55 <Alison_Chaiken> Stskeeps, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/OMAP4_Panda
Dec 06 06:46:14 <Stskeeps> we are working to have mic2 auto generate that, so you take .raw image and write straight to sd
Dec 06 06:46:41 <Alison_Chaiken> And http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/SD_Configuration
Dec 06 06:47:19 <Alison_Chaiken> Hmm, the first time I went through the procedure exactly as outlined on those pages.
Dec 06 06:48:06 <Stskeeps> make bootable sd in first guide?
Dec 06 06:49:17 <Alison_Chaiken> Yep, I used fdisk to make first partition bootable and VFAT as per instructions.   I'll check tomorrow that first SD card still boots and then try again with third one.
Dec 06 06:49:40 <Stskeeps> ah, you need the bizarre cylinder stuff too
Dec 06 06:50:26 <Alison_Chaiken> Yep, I used fdisk to format 480 cylinders on a 4GB card.   Our local electronics store is infamous for rewrapping returns and reshelving them.    I am suspicious!
Dec 06 06:51:30 <Stskeeps> so 255 heads/63 sectors/480 cylinders? as in 'configure sd card'?
Dec 06 06:52:28 <Alison_Chaiken> Precisely Stskeeps.    Worked for 1st SD card, not for second.   If first and third work tomorrow, second goes in trash!   Thanks for your help and encouragement too.
Dec 06 06:52:35 <Alison_Chaiken> G'night all.
Dec 06 06:53:14 <Alison_Chaiken> Soitelaan huomenta, or something like that.
Dec 06 06:53:20 <Stskeeps> nite
Dec 06 06:54:05 <kimitake> Alison_Chaiken: good night
Dec 06 07:49:24 <lardman> morning
Dec 06 07:49:54 <dm8tbr> gm
Dec 06 07:50:24 <Jay_BEE> gn (ugt)
Dec 06 07:51:18 <lardman> n=night?
Dec 06 08:03:55 <kismeter> who know how to build a debug qt, meego provide release qt by default
Dec 06 08:08:05 <lardman> you probably add something like QT_DEBUG as a flag
Dec 06 08:08:23 <lardman> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/debug.html says how to disable it using the QT_NO_DEBUG flag
Dec 06 08:17:20 <thiago_home> kismeter: recompile it
Dec 06 08:17:36 <thiago_home> but you don't need to unless you want to debug inside Qt
Dec 06 08:17:46 <thiago_home> if you want to debug your own code only, do what lardman said
Dec 06 08:19:10 <kismeter> thiago_home:I know need recompile it, but where should I change the release to debug
Dec 06 08:21:19 <kismeter> lardman:I want to recompile the qt core to be debug. when I debug meego application, I can deep into qt code
Dec 06 08:22:25 <lardman> Well you need to recompile Qt itself with that flag then
Dec 06 08:22:36 <lardman> why do you need to look deep into Qt anyway?
Dec 06 08:24:13 <kismeter> just for fun
Dec 06 08:25:03 <kismeter> anybody done that before? should I modify the spec file?
Dec 06 08:25:42 <lardman> edit the pro file probably
Dec 06 08:25:54 <lardman> or does it need to bootstrap
Dec 06 08:26:24 <thiago_home> just modify the spec file
Dec 06 08:26:30 <thiago_home> change "-release" to "-debug"
Dec 06 08:26:54 <kismeter> thiago_home:but I can't find it
Dec 06 08:27:00 <thiago_home> what can't you find?
Dec 06 08:29:56 <kismeter> thiago_home:http://pastebin.com/H3cqZFzj
Dec 06 08:31:47 <kismeter> thiago_home:it's my qt.spec no -release
Dec 06 08:33:32 <thiago_home> add -debug to the configure (line 580)
Dec 06 08:33:42 <thiago_home> -release is the default
Dec 06 08:34:14 <kismeter> thiago_home:thanks
Dec 06 08:37:57 <zinit> morning
Dec 06 09:23:33 <Mek> lbt: is there any progress on Team: projects on the community obs? Anything I can do to get that moving forward?
Dec 06 09:23:45 <lbt> there isn't yet
Dec 06 09:23:49 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Dec 06 09:23:55 <lbt> hey Jaffa
Dec 06 09:24:08 <lbt> Mek: we need to get some policy discussions going
Dec 06 09:24:31 <lbt> I'm hoping the holiday season will see some community tasks getting attention
Dec 06 09:24:39 <dm8tbr> Stskeeps: http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS&diff=23153&oldid=19979
Dec 06 09:25:10 <Stskeeps> thanks
Dec 06 09:25:14 <dm8tbr> np
Dec 06 09:25:56 <dm8tbr> I skipped the example qemu-img command-line as a person setting up obs should be able to comprehend and apply the linked man page :)
Dec 06 09:27:19 <Stskeeps> that's much to ask
Dec 06 09:27:20 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 09:27:33 <dm8tbr> 'built in security feature' ;)
Dec 06 09:28:58 <dm8tbr> lbt: aard told me about boss, is the source public yet? I'm considering to propose a setup for our internal meego competence development project.
Dec 06 09:29:24 <lbt> yes it is public and open
Dec 06 09:29:33 <lbt> we're using it in production
Dec 06 09:29:41 <lbt> but it is not 'productised'
Dec 06 09:29:53 <lbt> there are rpms
Dec 06 09:30:14 <dm8tbr> they would go onto an obs install?
Dec 06 09:30:16 <lbt> but documentation and initial setup is not "trivial"
Dec 06 09:30:21 <lbt> alongside
Dec 06 09:30:23 <dm8tbr> *nod*
Dec 06 09:30:41 <lbt> we'd be happy to assist though
Dec 06 09:30:49 <dm8tbr> I'll try to propose this and will come back asking for pointers and help if it gets a go-ahead
Dec 06 09:30:50 <lbt> just setting expectations
Dec 06 09:30:56 <dm8tbr> sure
Dec 06 09:31:06 <lbt> it is being deployed RSN in meego core and community
Dec 06 09:31:20 <lbt> and I've had interest expressed from a couple of vendor type
Dec 06 09:31:21 <lbt> s
Dec 06 09:31:42 <lbt> so getting those "kickstart" shortcomings addressed is in the plans
Dec 06 10:34:45 <Venemo_N900> is it now possible to have a phone call on MeeGo using the earpiece and not the loudspeakers?
Dec 06 10:35:11 <Stskeeps> we're working on policy rules still afaik
Dec 06 10:35:36 <Venemo_N900> what are these policy rules?
Dec 06 10:35:58 <Stskeeps> basically what handles let's say "plug in headset -> route audio to headset
Dec 06 10:35:59 <Stskeeps> tc
Dec 06 10:36:12 <Venemo_N900> ah
Dec 06 10:36:23 <alterego> Control logic for pulse
Dec 06 10:36:32 <Venemo_N900> understandable
Dec 06 10:36:44 <Stskeeps> and everything else
Dec 06 10:36:47 <Venemo_N900> is there an ETA for this component?
Dec 06 10:36:52 <Stskeeps> 'in works'
Dec 06 10:37:00 <Stskeeps> it has to work on several platforms, verticals and devices, so
Dec 06 10:37:47 <Venemo_N900> ok
Dec 06 10:38:06 <Venemo_N900> my other question is, how are the drivers for the N900?
Dec 06 10:38:46 <Venemo_N900> are they complete now or there are things still missing?
Dec 06 10:39:13 <alterego> Camera, GPS aren't in yet
Dec 06 10:39:23 <Stskeeps> camera's in works
Dec 06 10:39:29 <alterego> Oh, okay.
Dec 06 10:39:50 <Venemo_N900> and all others are done?
Dec 06 10:39:50 <Stskeeps> \\\
Dec 06 10:39:51 <alterego> CIR is untested, but I was gonna look into that this afternoon or tomorrow.
Dec 06 10:40:17 <Venemo_N900> eg. leds, vibra, fmtx, modem, etc?
Dec 06 10:40:24 <Stskeeps> modem works
Dec 06 10:40:26 <zinit> has anyone put a 3g card in the S10 and got it working yet?
Dec 06 10:40:47 <Stskeeps> leds do
Dec 06 10:40:54 <alterego> fmtx is probably not available yet, or fmrx for that matter :)
Dec 06 10:40:59 <Stskeeps> Venemo_N900: best thing to do is to just try it out. it's an ongoing project
Dec 06 10:41:02 <tybollt> Stskeeps: how does the meego project deal w/ binaries such as the graphics etc? Will they be stored in a separate "vendor secific" tree or?
Dec 06 10:41:24 <zinit> only been trying with a vodafone usb so far, and that one I got working
Dec 06 10:41:42 <Venemo_N900> Stskeeps: I would, but I don't have a spare N900 :(
Dec 06 10:41:48 <zinit> (mini pci 3G cards cost more than my budget so far)
Dec 06 10:42:28 <Stskeeps> tybollt: we have a 'non-oss' section which contains royalty-free redistributable binaries
Dec 06 10:42:32 <Venemo_N900> Stskeeps: anyway, I'm happy there's progress :)
Dec 06 10:42:43 <tybollt> Stskeeps: in the same tree? Nice.
Dec 06 10:43:40 <tybollt> Stskeeps: also do you get intel/nokia legal dept support for the binaries, so there's no BS down the road wrt licensing etc (you know, the usual drama)?
Dec 06 10:44:28 <Stskeeps> tybollt: it's in Trunk:non-oss, nothing in Trunk depends on it, so it's not mixed
Dec 06 10:44:47 <Stskeeps> tybollt: and do you think we'd get permission to put things there without lawyers looking at it? :P
Dec 06 10:44:59 <tybollt> Stskeeps: No, of course not :)
Dec 06 10:45:11 <Stskeeps> so things should be fine
Dec 06 10:45:42 <tybollt> Stskeeps: But as for all things open source - if you don't focus a bit on those issues right at the start they are bound to come back and bit you in the ass later on. :)
Dec 06 10:45:48 <tybollt> But, that sounds reassuring...
Dec 06 10:46:06 <Stskeeps> tybollt: of course
Dec 06 10:46:43 <Venemo_N900> Stskeeps: talking about the N900, what drivers are closed and which are open?
Dec 06 10:47:28 <alterego> Venemo_N900: closed, mainly, SGX driver
Dec 06 10:48:08 <Stskeeps> Venemo_N900: BME, SGX and two pulseaudio modules and that's about it, i think
Dec 06 10:48:09 <alterego> Probably firmware for bluetooth and wireless
Dec 06 10:48:11 <Stskeeps> and firmwar
Dec 06 10:48:12 <Stskeeps> e
Dec 06 10:48:25 <alterego> What pa modules?
Dec 06 10:48:48 <Stskeeps> some related to speaker protection and 3gpp stuff
Dec 06 10:48:59 <alterego> Hrm
Dec 06 10:49:00 <Stskeeps> it's to avoid 'trouble on the gsm network'
Dec 06 10:49:01 <Stskeeps> so
Dec 06 10:49:26 <Venemo_N900> Stskeeps: and are these drivers rebuilt for each new kernel release?
Dec 06 10:49:40 <alterego> Venemo_N900: they're rebuilt for every build
Dec 06 10:49:41 <Stskeeps> Venemo_N900: userspace, kernel drivers are oss
Dec 06 10:49:57 <Stskeeps> no closed bits in kernel
Dec 06 10:50:06 <Venemo_N900> so no need to rebuild them either?
Dec 06 10:50:34 <Stskeeps> pretty much
Dec 06 10:51:02 <Venemo_N900> that's even better than my Linux desktop
Dec 06 10:51:33 <alterego> Well, not as much hardware to support ;)
Dec 06 10:53:44 <Venemo_N900> for my desktop, I have to rebuild my wlan driver each time the kernel is updated
Dec 06 10:54:02 <Venemo_N900> also the akmod has to rebuild the nvidia graphics driver for me
Dec 06 10:55:08 <Stskeeps> even xorg driver is open, so it's 'as good as it gets'
Dec 06 10:55:09 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 10:55:18 <Venemo_N900> nice
Dec 06 10:58:48 <Venemo_N900> Stskeeps: what's the situation with Gtk/Hildon? Who won the €50000?
Dec 06 11:02:28 <Stskeeps> Venemo_N900: no clue - i haven't heard of any work going on
Dec 06 11:02:47 <Venemo_N900> Stskeeps: has there been any applications at all?
Dec 06 11:05:03 <Stskeeps> Venemo_N900: i think the weighing is really effort of making hildon+gtk work nicely vs just recoding things in qml+qt
Dec 06 11:05:06 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 11:05:30 <lcuk> different groups of people
Dec 06 11:05:33 <Venemo_N900> hehe, yeah
Dec 06 11:05:46 <Venemo_N900> still, I could use the cash :P
Dec 06 11:06:18 <lcuk> Venemo_N900, i told you when it was published, review your logs and speak with the people I mentioned then about a proposal
Dec 06 11:06:39 <Venemo_N900> lcuk, I have no logs, but I remember you telling me
Dec 06 11:06:59 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: I had no free time at all for this kind of thing back then.
Dec 06 11:07:14 * lcuk nods
Dec 06 11:07:22 <Venemo_N900> lcuk, but approx. in a week, my free time'll increase a lot
Dec 06 11:07:38 <lcuk> yup as you said
Dec 06 11:09:13 <Venemo_N900> so, did those guys start working on it?
Dec 06 11:09:47 <lcuk> idk i have other things to take my time
Dec 06 11:10:13 <rumohr> which devices are already sold with meego? any?
Dec 06 11:10:44 <Venemo_N900> rumohr: I don't think so, but would be surprised if there's any
Dec 06 11:11:02 <rumohr> k, thx
Dec 06 11:11:23 <rumohr> and it is, by now, only possible to get it running on N900?
Dec 06 11:11:51 <rumohr> and netbooks, etc..
Dec 06 11:11:56 <rumohr> i mean mobile devices
Dec 06 11:12:17 <Venemo_N900> rumohr: nope, there's the aava handset, a bunch of netbooks, and some people're also making ports for htc devices
Dec 06 11:12:22 <rumohr> i am writing an essay about meego.. thats why i am asking such dumb ;)
Dec 06 11:12:37 <rumohr> ok
Dec 06 11:12:50 <Venemo_N900> rumohr: there is also a porting guide, so anyone can start their port any time
Dec 06 11:13:19 <rumohr> yes, i saw. thx
Dec 06 11:13:42 <Venemo_N900> rumohr: you can find more info on meego.com's articles
Dec 06 11:15:00 <rumohr> yes, i know. i nearly live on that page for days ;)
Dec 06 11:15:10 <Venemo_N900> rumohr: okay
Dec 06 11:15:28 <Venemo_N900> rumohr: what kind of essay is it that you're writing?
Dec 06 11:16:16 <lbt> DawnFoster: ping ... is anything being done about the lost mail archives?
Dec 06 11:16:27 <rumohr> i am studiyng economical informatics and we got an seminar with the topic "mobile OS".. i got meego, some others android, iOS, RIM, etc...
Dec 06 11:16:59 <Stskeeps> lbt: the double-gzip archive problem?
Dec 06 11:17:00 <rumohr> should become a presentation of an hour..
Dec 06 11:17:09 <lbt> Stskeeps: no http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-packaging/2010-October/thread.html
Dec 06 11:17:20 <lbt> many are missing
Dec 06 11:17:52 <Stskeeps> lbt: we probably need to file a bug for that
Dec 06 11:23:12 <lbt> http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10909
Dec 06 11:27:50 <Stskeeps> CC\ed
Dec 06 11:30:37 <lbt> I'm back on the "meego version numbering is broken"
Dec 06 11:31:10 <lbt> you simply can't tell when a bug was fixed
Dec 06 11:31:26 <Stskeeps> well, that's why people start referring to SR#'s nw
Dec 06 11:31:55 <lbt> seriously?
Dec 06 11:32:17 <lbt> we don't care that we can't locate which rpm a bugfix appears in?
Dec 06 11:33:08 <lbt> the changelog doesn't tell us
Dec 06 11:38:34 * CosmoHill is kinda stuffed >.<
Dec 06 11:41:44 <lcuk> Stskeeps, SR# ?
Dec 06 11:42:28 <lcuk> lbt do you have a bug relating to the versioning?
Dec 06 11:42:49 <CosmoHill> can anyone point me in the direction of a good tutorial for internet sockets
Dec 06 11:42:51 <lbt> lcuk: No... not yet
Dec 06 11:42:57 <lbt> I think I'll have to
Dec 06 11:43:07 <lcuk> yes
Dec 06 11:43:14 <CosmoHill> I need to program a hybrid ftp / chat program but I'm kinda stumped :(
Dec 06 11:43:33 <lbt> lcuk: it's something I bump into ... not sure who else does
Dec 06 11:43:45 <ptl> ftp/chat?
Dec 06 11:43:50 <lbt> it should be a high level release overview thing
Dec 06 11:43:59 <lbt> and a QA issue
Dec 06 11:44:07 <CosmoHill> yeah, not I can kinda do the chat bit
Dec 06 11:44:16 <CosmoHill> but the sever crashes whenever the client disconnects
Dec 06 11:46:56 <lcuk> lbt http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-10-29.log.html#t2010-10-29T20:03:02
Dec 06 11:47:43 <lcuk> it effects more than you
Dec 06 11:48:04 <lbt> http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-packaging@meego.com/msg00415.html
Dec 06 11:48:33 <lbt> there is also an issue that we need to support changes to packages in 1.1 when 1.2 is out
Dec 06 11:48:48 <lbt> I wonder if auke has a solution there?
Dec 06 11:49:00 <lcuk> of course, backporting is essential for any production system
Dec 06 11:49:11 <CosmoHill> right I'm gonna go into uni and panic
Dec 06 11:49:23 <lbt> but how do you manage the versioning of the package?
Dec 06 11:50:16 <lcuk> lbt in simpler times, we had enough leeway with our packages that could commit a whole range of changes between the 2 major releases and not conflict
Dec 06 11:50:45 <lbt> yeah
Dec 06 11:51:14 <lbt> OK .... a new question: What does package versioning need to do?
Dec 06 11:51:30 <MoL0ToV> hi to all! i have a n97-mini. someone know if exist a way to run linux kernel on nokia N-series? i can help testing
Dec 06 11:52:27 <captainigloo> hi, I see on the meego wiki that it's possible to install meego on an HTC Desire, (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD#HTC_Desire)
Dec 06 11:52:47 <captainigloo> but i can't find any infos about the kernel use and the modifications done on the meego rootfs
Dec 06 11:52:58 <captainigloo> somebody have infos about it ?
Dec 06 11:53:22 <lcuk> MoL0ToV, not sure, its not our specific focus here, please try internet search and once you know more you could come and report back
Dec 06 11:53:53 <lcuk> captainigloo, goto #meego-arm as said on that page
Dec 06 11:53:55 <lcuk> lbt
Dec 06 11:54:01 <ali1234> N95 N97 etc were never hacked to my knowledge
Dec 06 11:54:10 <lcuk> package should be differentiated in a way the update manager knows
Dec 06 11:54:11 <captainigloo> lcuk: oh ok thanks sorry
Dec 06 11:54:13 <lcuk> ie, greater
Dec 06 11:54:41 <lcuk> users rarely know/care about packaging versions unless they have cute release names
Dec 06 11:55:09 <ali1234> and of course anything the user doesn't care about isn't worth doing
Dec 06 11:55:38 <lcuk> ali1234, read a bit about the scrollback :P
Dec 06 11:56:09 <lbt> I'm thinking "Identify a reproduceable unit of software with known features/bug-fixes"
Dec 06 11:56:24 <lbt> "support release to release upgrades"
Dec 06 11:56:53 <lbt> "permit maintenance updates of a stable branch"
Dec 06 11:57:35 <ali1234> package version number should clearly relate to a git tag somewhere (or similar)
Dec 06 11:57:59 <lbt> well. that's one technical solution to that point
Dec 06 11:58:07 <ali1234> ie upstream
Dec 06 11:58:09 <txithihausen> Hi guys, I'm dealing with a doubt about power consumption in the Meego OS that I want to ask you.
Dec 06 11:58:27 <txithihausen> I have conducted a set of experiments among different netbook-based distros, including MeeGO Os, Jolicloud, WattOS, Ubuntu Netbook so on, aiming to determine what ditros presents the better behaviors and why.
Dec 06 11:58:31 <lcuk> ali1234, git tags can and do vary wildly but since git is not the sole SCM it cannot be relied upon
Dec 06 11:58:34 <txithihausen> All distros but MeeGo have presented a similar behavior regarding to power consumption parameter. Such distributions had an average consumption of about 950 mA.
Dec 06 11:58:39 <txithihausen> In turn, the meego had presented a average consumption of 700 mA. Could you give any clues about why the meego distribution have presented a better behavior?
Dec 06 11:58:40 <ali1234> or similar
Dec 06 12:00:29 <lcuk> txithihausen, its built with a sprinkling of awesome.
Dec 06 12:00:56 <dm8tbr> txithihausen: you don't even state your hardware, nor what usage pattern or measurement methodology was applied...
Dec 06 12:01:49 <lbt> txithihausen: in general it's a design objective. Hence it is considered during implementation, measured (somehow) and regressions are fixed
Dec 06 12:03:16 <ali1234> jolicloud, wattos, ubuntu netbook... all ubuntu derivatives. why is it surprising they all use the same amount of power?
Dec 06 12:04:13 <txithihausen> hum... thanks for you replies! :) Regarding to measurement methodology, I ran a script that write the current power consumption
Dec 06 12:04:34 <txithihausen> for a certain amount of time...
Dec 06 12:05:09 <lcuk> damn, thats a nifty trick.  i used a stop watch and a clicker and counted the electrons as they passed along the cable :P
Dec 06 12:05:46 <txithihausen> lcuk,  :P
Dec 06 12:49:55 <sivang> what's the email or name of the guy working on the compliance spec?
Dec 06 12:50:06 * sivang looks into Quality section of meego.com
Dec 06 12:53:31 <thiago> sivang: his first name is Mats
Dec 06 12:53:36 <thiago> surname starts with W
Dec 06 12:54:14 * Stskeeps points to mwichmann
Dec 06 12:54:40 <sivang> thiago: yes, I'm trying to find the email address , perhaps here http://meego.com/about/governance/quality-assurance or here : http://meego.com/about/governance
Dec 06 12:54:54 <sivang> Stskeeps: right, do you know the exact title and email?
Dec 06 12:55:27 <Stskeeps> just search on meego-dev mails
Dec 06 12:55:31 <sivang> can someone please pretty please fill this at least with a contact person? :) http://meego.com/about/compliance-program
Dec 06 12:55:52 <Stskeeps> well, mark skarpeness is the one in charge, while mats does the real editing, i think
Dec 06 12:56:11 * sivang thanks for having an Stskeeps 
Dec 06 12:56:44 <Stskeeps> check governance - quality, i think
Dec 06 12:59:01 <sivang> Stskeeps: yes, mark's name is in here: http://meego.com/about/governance/quality-assurance
Dec 06 12:59:42 <sivang> Stskeeps: email found in -dev
Dec 06 13:00:51 <jeremiah_> What is the best way to reset my xorg screen resolution?
Dec 06 13:01:26 <jeremiah_> I think Ibrahim is also involved in compliance
Dec 06 13:01:46 <jeremiah_> But I don't think we've come to the final compliance definition.
Dec 06 13:02:02 <Stskeeps> enforcement, maybe
Dec 06 13:03:58 <Stskeeps> i just hope 1.1 compliance comes out before 1.2 one..
Dec 06 13:05:07 <jeremiah_> Where does MeeGo hide the Xorg.conf file? Anyone?
Dec 06 13:05:37 <Stskeeps> most is autodetection
Dec 06 13:06:00 <Stskeeps>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
Dec 06 13:06:22 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: There are a bunch there.
Dec 06 13:06:29 <jeremiah_> But not the default
Dec 06 13:08:31 <sivang> jeremiah_: far far from being complete, yes.
Dec 06 13:08:53 <thiago> jeremiah_: what do you want to do?
Dec 06 13:13:35 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: basically xorg.conf.d is only for when autodetect goes wrong .. xorg 1.9 does things differently
Dec 06 13:19:29 <jeremiah_> thiago: I was hoping to get the XTerm fonts a bit bigger
Dec 06 13:20:24 <jeremiah_> And then I hoped to change the full screen resolution of an app I'm working on for MeeGo IVI.
Dec 06 13:20:43 <thiago> jeremiah_: what does xterm have to do with xorg.conf?
Dec 06 13:20:59 <thiago> or the resolution? If you want to change the resolution, replace the monitor.
Dec 06 13:22:36 <jeremiah_> Never mind. I'll dig into it myself.
Dec 06 13:23:56 <Stskeeps> jeremiah_: dpi?
Dec 06 13:26:35 <jeremiah_> meh?
Dec 06 14:16:10 <altini> hello people
Dec 06 14:16:40 <altini> i need some help on b43 drivers meego 1.1 has anyone any idea how can i install them ?
Dec 06 14:17:45 <erstazi> altini: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=288 << you need to install b43-fwcutter
Dec 06 14:18:23 <erstazi> altini: althought CONFIG_B43 might not be compiled into the kernel for meego.
Dec 06 14:18:58 <altini> hhmm
Dec 06 14:19:08 <altini> b43-fwcutter
Dec 06 14:19:41 <altini> how is that installed i remember when i used meego on 1.0 thought i used yum install
Dec 06 14:25:18 <jeremiah_> Is anyone else having trouble with the ARM repos? I'm getting a "Media exception" when I try to update
Dec 06 15:38:20 <rumohr> someone bored and up to write a 20-30 lines app? :)
Dec 06 15:38:47 <MohammadAG> depends what the app is :)
Dec 06 15:38:51 <thiago> GNU Hello
Dec 06 15:40:19 <rumohr> nearly.. :) should be an app with 2 dices. 1 dropdown (number of dices) and a button to roll the dices.. (no grafics needed).. and than a field (label perhabs) with the number the diced say...
Dec 06 15:40:57 <leinir> So... YADR ;)
Dec 06 15:41:34 <thiago> Yet Another Development Request?
Dec 06 15:41:45 <lcuk> rumohr, http://qt.nokia.com/products/
Dec 06 15:42:02 <rumohr> already got Qt
Dec 06 15:42:04 <jonnor> rumohr: is this your homework? :)
Dec 06 15:42:34 <leinir> thiago: Yet Another Dice Roller ;)
Dec 06 15:42:38 <rumohr> not a homework. should show how meego apps look like in my seminar..
Dec 06 15:42:49 <lcuk> rumohr, then why cant you write a 20-30 line app yourself
Dec 06 15:43:05 <rumohr> not a c++ fan
Dec 06 15:43:21 <lcuk> plenty of other languages in the sea.
Dec 06 15:43:36 <rumohr> is it possible to write in java?
Dec 06 15:43:45 <rumohr> haven't found smth about
Dec 06 15:44:18 <jonnor> http://qtjava.sourceforge.net/ second link with google
Dec 06 15:44:31 <lcuk> sigh
Dec 06 15:44:34 <jonnor> Unsupported afaik on Meego though ;)
Dec 06 15:44:47 <ali1234> lol java
Dec 06 15:45:13 <berndhs> be adventurous, learn something nre
Dec 06 15:45:18 <v_zaitsev> i saw someone running some form of Java on N900... kaybe that work could be extended towards MeeGo
Dec 06 15:45:23 <berndhs> s/nre/new/
Dec 06 15:45:24 <infobot> berndhs meant: be adventurous, learn something new
Dec 06 15:45:26 <thiago> you can try writing it in Java
Dec 06 15:45:26 <v_zaitsev> k=m
Dec 06 15:45:30 <rumohr> my seminar is on thursday.. ;)
Dec 06 15:45:38 <thiago> but you'll miss the point if you wanted to show how MeeGo apps looked like
Dec 06 15:45:39 <berndhs> lots of time
Dec 06 15:45:51 <ali1234> why not just use one of the examples?
Dec 06 15:46:22 <rumohr> the dice-app-task is given by my prof...
Dec 06 15:46:32 <v_zaitsev> for showing something on Thursday, java is not your option
Dec 06 15:46:34 <ali1234> ah, so it *is* homework...
Dec 06 15:46:47 <rumohr> in some way..
Dec 06 15:47:10 <rumohr> not my school-homework.. study-project-homework
Dec 06 15:51:26 <rumohr> http://meego.com/developers/getting-started/create-basic-meego-application  <- this application will run on mobile devices too? even if it is not esspecially written for it? or do i have to use the meego touch framework? the one used is Clutter, i suggest?
Dec 06 15:52:36 <jonnor> That application is using Qt, and that will run on all device profiles
Dec 06 15:53:04 <rumohr> okay. because of the menu i thought.. but okay..
Dec 06 16:22:00 <qgil> lcuk: ping
Dec 06 16:22:50 <lcuk> hey qgil \o
Dec 06 16:22:54 <qgil> about http://wiki.meego.com/News.meego.com#.40meegocom_at_Twitter - did you say you preferred to "forward" tweets to meegocom by using @meegocom instead of #meegocom?
Dec 06 16:23:10 <qgil> hi there  :)
Dec 06 16:24:03 <lcuk> qgil, I believe thats the way I have seen it done in other places, like mwkn and other shared accounts (group WOM projects)
Dec 06 16:24:52 <lcuk> qgil, it gives the impression of passing on a tip
Dec 06 16:25:06 <lcuk> then the people maintainin the account can then action it and do whatever is needed
Dec 06 16:25:20 <qgil> lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News says that @, # or even "d" are good - I'd prefer to offer a single way
Dec 06 16:26:12 <qgil> lcuk: then again, anybody searching #meegocom can see all the status proposed, while at twitter.com/meegocom only the selected will be retweeted
Dec 06 16:26:51 <qgil> lcuk: also, at least for starters we are letting people the chance to send questions using @meegocom (and get a reply, if feasible)
Dec 06 16:27:10 <qgil> this way we have to uses separate: # for forwarding statuses and @ for a direct communication
Dec 06 16:27:20 <qgil> does this make sense lcuk ?
Dec 06 16:27:20 <lcuk> sure, as a quick test I just checked #mwkn and @mwkn in searches
Dec 06 16:27:40 <lcuk> the hashtag was unused whilst it seems at least one tip was passed to the account
Dec 06 16:28:47 <qgil> Jaffa: hi, any preferences / insights?
Dec 06 16:29:07 <qgil> same for other Twitter insiders in the room
Dec 06 16:30:15 <qgil> mmm ok, let's start with @ only, then  lcuk - thanks for the feedback!
Dec 06 16:30:37 <lcuk> \o
Dec 06 16:31:50 <lcuk> qgil, perhaps an idea to discuss with @WomWorldNokia
Dec 06 16:32:11 <qgil> lcuk: meh  :)
Dec 06 16:32:18 <lcuk> hah
Dec 06 16:35:29 <abstract3d> for meego development, its better to install ubuntu or fedora 32bit?
Dec 06 16:36:17 <abstract3d> i am not between those two. i am gentoo 64bit user and i am wondering if i have to install an additional distro for meego development
Dec 06 16:37:12 <berndhs> shouldn't make much difference
Dec 06 16:37:27 <berndhs> teh lib names in meego now look more like opensuse stuff
Dec 06 16:48:13 <abstract3d> is it safe to develop on a virtual machine?
Dec 06 16:48:16 <thiago> yes
Dec 06 16:48:55 <abstract3d> vmware or vbox?
Dec 06 16:48:56 <abstract3d> :$
Dec 06 16:49:19 <Bostik> vbox seems to work nicely
Dec 06 16:49:53 <Bostik> I've seen some rather alarming comments here that starting the .vmx image somehow corrupts it
Dec 06 16:50:00 <Bostik> ..in vmware player, that is
Dec 06 16:50:17 <abstract3d> hm nice so i will go with vbox
Dec 06 16:50:37 <abstract3d> thanks Bostik & thiago and berndhs :)
Dec 06 16:50:57 <Bostik> but anyhow, you get the same package selection in vm as you get in any native setup, get to tweak packaging for your own needs as long as you need and then finally build the "ready" packages in OBS :)
Dec 06 16:51:31 <Bostik> (it also helps that OBS can trivially build the ARM packages too, you don't need to do anything other than enable a build target)
Dec 06 16:52:12 <abstract3d> it's better to go with opensuse?
Dec 06 16:52:49 <Bostik> whatever you want to use as your host, just pick a meego netbook image for your vm install media
Dec 06 16:54:40 <abstract3d> ehm... sorry for all that questions i am just little unsure and i want to do that with the right way :$
Dec 06 16:55:41 <abstract3d> i am with gentoo. i will install propably opensuse or fedora cause of rpm package managers. i suppose that i will go with opensuse. that will be my development environment right? or it's better to install meego netbook edition?
Dec 06 16:56:43 <Bostik> abstract3d: meego is simply "just another" linux distro - it just has very specific target market
Dec 06 16:56:52 <Bostik> so you install it like any other linux inside a VM
Dec 06 16:57:05 <Bostik> then develop on that, for the specified target itself
Dec 06 16:57:16 <abstract3d> yeah i know that it's an
Dec 06 16:57:29 <Bostik> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox
Dec 06 16:57:39 <Bostik> just use 1.1 image and you should be all set
Dec 06 16:57:48 <abstract3d> yeah i know that it's another linux distro. so my development environment will be meego_netbook right?
Dec 06 16:58:13 <Bostik> yep
Dec 06 16:58:28 <Bostik> or more to the point, your local *build* environment will be that
Dec 06 16:58:37 <Bostik> there's nothing to prevent you from writing the code on host
Dec 06 16:58:42 <Bostik> ..I do that :)
Dec 06 17:00:17 <Bostik> [write code] --> scp to VM --> [build code] --> [install RPM packages] --> [execute for smoketesting] --> iterate as needed
Dec 06 17:01:05 <abstract3d> so i will install all meego-sdk etc inside meego_netbook right?
Dec 06 17:01:32 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: if I'm reading Bostik right, you're just giong to install your toolchain in the vm
Dec 06 17:01:46 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: and build code from there
Dec 06 17:02:01 <Bostik> you should know that I have never used QtDesigner (in any form) for my development
Dec 06 17:02:02 <abstract3d> ah nice :)
Dec 06 17:02:48 <abstract3d> Bostik: hm.. but u are using Qt-Creator IDE right? :$
Dec 06 17:02:55 <Bostik> abstract3d: nope :D
Dec 06 17:03:00 <abstract3d> :$
Dec 06 17:03:12 <Bostik> my development is more on system-level, I utterly suck at UI stuff
Dec 06 17:03:29 <Bostik> and I've yet to find anything to surpass vim as my editor
Dec 06 17:03:40 <abstract3d> aaaaaah nice :P
Dec 06 17:03:51 <Myrtti> Bostik: butterflys
Dec 06 17:04:22 <Bostik> Myrtti: please elaborate
Dec 06 17:04:29 <abstract3d> for developing graphical apps, qt-creator will be on my host right? and after that scp source and build inside vm
Dec 06 17:04:40 <abstract3d> hope so that i got the point :p
Dec 06 17:05:29 <magius_pendragon> I've got meego on a netbook that I'm converting to a slate. I have 2 questions: 1) How's the Tablet UX coming? Is it possible to get ahold of it? Not afraid to do soem devel. 2) Is there any extra framework I should be aware of to make the UI (multi) touch-aware? I know about xorg 7.5 and the evdev patch.
Dec 06 17:05:39 <Myrtti> Bostik: http://xkcd.com/378/
Dec 06 17:05:53 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: no need for qt-creator in that cycle
Dec 06 17:06:24 <abstract3d> if i want to create GUI is there another way to do that?
Dec 06 17:06:32 <Bostik> blegh, I'll repay yo for that one on Friday my dear Myrtti
Dec 06 17:06:47 <Myrtti> Bostik: love you too ♥ ♥ ♥
Dec 06 17:06:52 <iekku> :o
Dec 06 17:06:59 <Bostik> something like that
Dec 06 17:07:15 <berndhs> abstract3d: qt designer is helpful
Dec 06 17:08:02 <iekku> could someone please kick me?
Dec 06 17:08:12 <abstract3d> ?!
Dec 06 17:08:27 <iekku> need to open my work laptop and start to do some work
Dec 06 17:08:40 <iekku> interested [ ] , not einterested [×]
Dec 06 17:08:46 <iekku> l-e
Dec 06 17:08:49 <iekku> pojdslkgj saglkfhölkghasg
Dec 06 17:08:52 <Myrtti> iekku: but it's... 6th
Dec 06 17:09:01 <iekku> Myrtti, I know
Dec 06 17:09:08 <Myrtti> although I should book in my hours too...
Dec 06 17:09:10 <Myrtti> *cough*
Dec 06 17:09:27 <iekku> Myrtti, but my boss said he wants his report tomorrow....
Dec 06 17:10:09 <iekku> maybe he gets light version...
Dec 06 17:11:38 <iekku> Myrtti, problem solved, thanks for the help :D
Dec 06 17:12:22 <iekku> now I just lay on the livingroom the rest of the evening :)
Dec 06 17:14:09 <abstract3d> Bostik: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox since it's out 1.1 i will go with that right? (v1.1)
Dec 06 17:14:46 <berndhs> 1.1
Dec 06 17:15:06 <abstract3d> ok thanks
Dec 06 17:17:31 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: if you want to get 1.1 netbook running in vbox don't use the 1.0 guide
Dec 06 17:17:37 <lbt> o/  qgil ... was thinking that the OBS and Extras and such-like people need to get together with the CO and coordinate
Dec 06 17:17:40 <dm8tbr> let me try to remember what I did...
Dec 06 17:18:04 <lbt> we're starting to see the QA process taking shape
Dec 06 17:18:42 <iekku> lbt, in what area?
Dec 06 17:18:50 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg06270.html
Dec 06 17:18:54 <abstract3d> is that the solution?
Dec 06 17:18:59 <lbt> community promotion of packages to "Extras"
Dec 06 17:19:15 <lbt> which is still not properly named or branded
Dec 06 17:19:21 <qgil> lbt: that's an innovative idea that I shared with you before the summer  ;)
Dec 06 17:19:39 <lbt> qgil: :P
Dec 06 17:19:46 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: no that whole guide is redundant
Dec 06 17:20:00 <dm8tbr> at least most of it is misleading
Dec 06 17:20:04 <lbt> well we have a live OBS now ... and xmas hols are nearly here
Dec 06 17:20:28 <dm8tbr> later you install the vbox additions yes, but you start completely different
Dec 06 17:20:37 <iekku> lbt, huh, I was scares you are waiting something from the core or ux side
Dec 06 17:20:51 <qgil> lbt: where in the MeeGo project is all this OBS-Extras activity organized?
Dec 06 17:20:52 <lbt> iekku: hehe .... nah
Dec 06 17:20:53 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: IIRC what I did was to start with an raw or qemu image and convert that for vbox
Dec 06 17:21:08 <lbt> qgil: it's not organised ... we're just doing it
Dec 06 17:21:09 <qgil> lbt: and what kind of coordination are you willing to have with the CO
Dec 06 17:21:12 <iekku> lbt, immediately after I had desided not to work today :D
Dec 06 17:21:43 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: hm.. u installed meego inside qemu, and u convert that image to vbox?
Dec 06 17:22:01 <lbt> qgil: I honestly don't know what we need to do or how best to coord
Dec 06 17:22:09 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: no, I just took an image and put it into vbox
Dec 06 17:22:23 <abstract3d> and where did you find the raw image? :$
Dec 06 17:22:24 <lbt> qgil: this is part of making meego a great place to develop
Dec 06 17:22:41 <qgil> lbt: sure, I'm just trying to guess what you have in mind when you say "was thinking that the OBS and Extras and such-like people need to get together with the CO and coordinate"
Dec 06 17:22:42 <lbt> and a way to bring the lessons from the maemo community over
Dec 06 17:23:12 <qgil> lbt: I still think that all the community-obs, Extras etc fits perfectly under the CO umbrella
Dec 06 17:23:15 <lbt> yeah... so maybe see how you're scheduling things... just participate in the meetings
Dec 06 17:23:26 <abstract3d> anyway, if for 1.1 doesnt work this guide, if i go with 1.0 meego version, i will be ok? i just want to learn how to develop applications etc
Dec 06 17:23:44 <lbt> I'm happy about that at this point :)
Dec 06 17:24:10 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: http://meego.com/downloads/releases/netbook - just take one of those. now that I look at it I should have used one of them... instead what I did
Dec 06 17:24:20 <qgil> lbt right on time for http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings/Brainstorming_12-7-10 ?
Dec 06 17:24:29 <lbt> yes... that was on my mind
Dec 06 17:25:01 <lbt> this fits the review of scope/structure/approach
Dec 06 17:25:03 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: if you can't directly use it with vbox you can use the qemu-img command to convert it to vdi
Dec 06 17:25:17 <qgil> lbt: agreed
Dec 06 17:25:54 <lbt> I'll prod tekojo and X-Fade too
Dec 06 17:26:20 <qgil> lbt:  it would be great if the CO would be useful for the OBS-Extras without adding unnecessary "structure" and "organization", if you know what I mean
Dec 06 17:26:55 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: so did you do that thing with libglx.so and clutter-xvisual?
Dec 06 17:27:01 <lbt> *nod* ... just thinking via my fingers :)
Dec 06 17:27:06 <qgil> lbt: having the ongoing tasks visible would be helpful - I have been trying to get bi-weekly updates from tekojo and even that was difficult...
Dec 06 17:27:13 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: none of that was necessary
Dec 06 17:27:14 <lbt> yes... we also have ad-hoc things like "managing secret bugs for meego-it"
Dec 06 17:27:26 <qgil> lbt ?
Dec 06 17:27:39 <lbt> we have a bug area for meego-it
Dec 06 17:27:45 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: I didn't get vbox 3d accel working though back then. didn't really spend much time trying though
Dec 06 17:27:47 <thp> DawnFoster: ping. any news wrt the meego-python mailing list?
Dec 06 17:28:00 <lbt> but it's all "secret" (and rightly so)
Dec 06 17:28:00 <dm8tbr> the vbox guest additions installed cleanly though
Dec 06 17:28:01 <qgil> lbt you mean out of bugs.meego.com ?
Dec 06 17:28:15 <lbt> we have one on b.m.o
Dec 06 17:28:17 <DawnFoster> thp: I should be able to finish configuring it later today
Dec 06 17:28:19 <lbt> a component
Dec 06 17:28:23 <abstract3d> i am little confused again of what to choose :$
Dec 06 17:28:30 <qgil> lbt then what's the secret?
Dec 06 17:28:41 <thp> DawnFoster: thanks :)
Dec 06 17:29:07 <lbt> we need to find a way to track internal task/bugs in a way that doesn't expose potential infra issue
Dec 06 17:29:20 <lbt> and yet allow more 'normal' bugs to be seen
Dec 06 17:29:31 <lbt> the easy "get started" was to make it all secret
Dec 06 17:30:02 <qgil> lbt doesn't Bugzilla allow you to set groups and permissions for bugs? Why not using that?
Dec 06 17:30:15 <qgil> lbt: any, this is really out of my turf  :)
Dec 06 17:30:18 <iekku>  it does
Dec 06 17:31:01 <iekku> lbt, I have been also thinking about that issue
Dec 06 17:31:03 <lbt> yes... but we need to raise and address these issues. And the group needs to 'sit' somewhere in the CO
Dec 06 17:31:52 <lbt> oh DawnFoster http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10415
Dec 06 17:31:56 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: I'd just go with an regular netbook image. I can try it if you're afraid. I'm half bored enough to do that...
Dec 06 17:31:58 <lbt> iekku: ?
Dec 06 17:32:22 <iekku> lbt, about the internal tasks and bugs and reviews etx
Dec 06 17:32:28 <iekku> etc even
Dec 06 17:32:36 <DawnFoster> lbt: hmmm, I should be able to see everything, and I'm getting unauthorized on that one
Dec 06 17:33:32 <qgil> lbt me neither, and this is something new  :)
Dec 06 17:33:33 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: i want to learn to develop applications for meego.. if i succeed with 1.1 install @vbox i will be fully able to follow any guide for meego development etc, right?
Dec 06 17:33:49 <iekku> i can't access that one also :o
Dec 06 17:33:50 <qgil> lbt but if it's about some security stuff then I'm happy not seeing it  :)
Dec 06 17:33:57 <lbt> just spam
Dec 06 17:34:02 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: It would give you a target to try your apps on I guess
Dec 06 17:34:11 <lbt> not sure why it's hidden
Dec 06 17:34:18 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: hope so :D
Dec 06 17:34:45 <lbt> heh ... because it's on the MeeGo IT component
Dec 06 17:35:19 <qgil> lbt are you aware of this bug to track non-public bugs without a clear reason? http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9943
Dec 06 17:35:56 <lbt> not specifically
Dec 06 17:36:05 <lbt> but we were aware
Dec 06 17:36:39 <lbt> This section is bugs (and tasks) relating to infrastructure deployment
Dec 06 17:36:49 <qgil> lbt: anyway, I think this is something you need to discuss with Stefano and Mike - who are in charge of the IT stuff
Dec 06 17:37:00 <lbt> Yes - I'm on that team
Dec 06 17:37:21 <DawnFoster> lbt: that bug was miscategories
Dec 06 17:37:30 <DawnFoster> ugh. can't type
Dec 06 17:37:30 <lbt> we all want it to be integral to the community generally though
Dec 06 17:37:36 <qgil> lbt I know, and that's why  :)  Agree on something and probably problem solved
Dec 06 17:37:36 <lbt> DawnFoster: it was
Dec 06 17:37:38 <DawnFoster> anyway, Mike is fixing it now
Dec 06 17:38:24 <lbt> so just understanding our (meego IT) task list and working on prioritising and supporting us
Dec 06 17:39:07 <lbt> so the fact that you've asked Tero is cool - we should be 'reporting' to the CO or to irc meetings on a regular basis I think
Dec 06 17:39:26 <lbt> so you know we're working on getting control of our DNS
Dec 06 17:39:35 <lbt> that we have the LDAP up and working
Dec 06 17:39:40 <DawnFoster> lbt: ok, that bug is open now
Dec 06 17:40:57 <lbt> OK ... can I tell that bugs that I can see are closed?
Dec 06 17:53:30 <lbt> mmm who can add a Product to bugs.meego.com ?
Dec 06 17:53:50 <lbt> we need pub.meego.com OBS on there
Dec 06 17:55:44 <andre__> lbt: file a bug in bugs.meego.com against bugzilla
Dec 06 17:55:51 <iekku> i think eric does it
Dec 06 17:55:52 <andre__> Eric can
Dec 06 17:56:06 <lbt> thanks ... was just seeing that :)
Dec 06 17:56:10 <lbt> http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?classification=MeeGo%20Community%20Infrastructure&query_format=advanced&component=MeeGo%20bugzilla&product=bugs.meego.com
Dec 06 18:31:51 <rumohr> is there a MeeGo Roadmap? Something where i can see, when the first devices are planned, or when there is planned to have the first television on the market..
Dec 06 18:38:18 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: i downloaded meego 1.1 now i have to convert it with qemu right?
Dec 06 18:39:11 <rumohr> you want to install it on a netbook?
Dec 06 18:39:53 <abstract3d> no on vbox
Dec 06 18:40:07 <abstract3d> @ rumohr:
Dec 06 18:40:17 <rumohr> windows or linux system?
Dec 06 18:40:24 <abstract3d> linux
Dec 06 18:40:35 <rumohr> ah, ok. then i'm out ;)
Dec 06 18:40:39 <abstract3d> :$
Dec 06 18:41:12 <Jaffa> qgil: Most of the @mwkn stuff comes from DM from trusted contributors; however the script looks for @mwkn as well. Can't remember about hashtag.
Dec 06 18:41:30 <niala> abstract3d: just launch like another linux no?
Dec 06 18:41:37 <Jaffa> qgil: However, since process for @meegocom is (AIUI) manual; searches for @meegocom and #meegocom are pretty much similar.
Dec 06 18:42:08 <qgil> Jaffa: thanks
Dec 06 18:42:32 <Jaffa> qgil: The advantage of the hashtag approach is that you'll drop the hashtag when tweeting it from meegocom; whereas @meegocom searches will include people doing old-school retweets. This may make it harder to find new contributions if popular news get retweeted lots.
Dec 06 18:43:12 <abstract3d> niala: well @ http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox#Installation it says "1. Download the MeeGo v1.0 for netbooks image and change its extension (simple rename) to ISO. "
Dec 06 18:43:28 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: you can just use the file like it is
Dec 06 18:43:42 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: vbox will allow you to add an .img file as a CD image
Dec 06 18:44:15 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: ah ok.. i was thinking that you told me before that it needs to convert it with qemu
Dec 06 18:44:16 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: I'm doing the same right now. some weird stuff happening though if I try to boot it like that. will keep you posted.
Dec 06 18:44:30 <niala> abstract3d: yes and ? you boot on it and install
Dec 06 18:45:23 <niala> abstract3d: you must convert if you want chroot your image
Dec 06 18:46:10 <abstract3d> niala: ok thanks
Dec 06 18:46:18 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: me 2 i am going to install it right now
Dec 06 18:47:06 <abstract3d> hm.. first failure "drm_i915" related
Dec 06 18:52:24 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: yes, you can ignore that it seems. just make sure you have an >3GB virtual drive to install to
Dec 06 18:53:36 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: i have created 1 x 10GB vdi
Dec 06 18:53:56 <abstract3d> and till now all are going fine
Dec 06 18:54:02 <rumohr> gnarf. meego is not made for dualboot? if i got windows on my netbook first and afterwards install meego, it doesn't add meego to OS-list, it says, it is the only one :/
Dec 06 18:55:14 <dm8tbr> rumohr: hum? which boot manger are you talking about?
Dec 06 18:56:04 <rumohr> i had only windows installed and installed meego from usb... now i don't have the possibility to boot windows
Dec 06 18:56:25 <rumohr> i think it is the standard-meego-bootmanager, don't know which one meego uses
Dec 06 18:57:46 <merlin_1991> maybe you have to add the chainload entry for the win bootmanager? (I'm not a meego user though)
Dec 06 18:57:48 <dm8tbr> HATINK!
Dec 06 18:58:03 <dm8tbr> ok, who wrote the meego netbook installer? eh? eh?
Dec 06 18:58:16 <dm8tbr> 3000MB is apparently not 3000MB...
Dec 06 18:58:43 <dm8tbr> first mistake: I made an partition 2GB in size, ok. np.
Dec 06 18:59:05 <dm8tbr> then I made one 3,01GB in size, well you know to make sure it's larger than the 3000MB required
Dec 06 18:59:30 <dm8tbr> now this crappy installer tells me that an 3082MB partition is _SMALLER_ than 3000MB
Dec 06 18:59:44 * dm8tbr goes to file a bug
Dec 06 19:01:32 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: rofl
Dec 06 19:02:07 <dm8tbr> I suspect an MiB MB mixup
Dec 06 19:02:12 <dm8tbr> still, FFS
Dec 06 19:04:53 <auke> someone call me?
Dec 06 19:07:21 <abstract3d> when trying to boot from local disk, when i have .img loaded up to virtual box it can't boot
Dec 06 19:07:49 <abstract3d> when i umount disk and reboot vbox all are fine
Dec 06 19:08:22 <CosmoHill> auke: no body called you
Dec 06 19:08:23 <CosmoHill> ever
Dec 06 19:08:48 <CosmoHill> but whilst you're here, do you know anything about msgrcv or internet sockets?
Dec 06 19:09:04 <abstract3d> lol
Dec 06 19:12:30 <abstract3d> and now i am waiting.. for what? :$ we'll see :D (after creating 1st user etc)
Dec 06 19:14:17 <CosmoHill> I have no idea what you're on about but I can smell pizza :D
Dec 06 19:14:30 * lpotter sniffs
Dec 06 19:15:11 <auke> CosmoHill: lol
Dec 06 19:15:26 <auke> CosmoHill: enough to be extremely dangerous :D
Dec 06 19:15:37 <CosmoHill> awesome
Dec 06 19:15:58 <CosmoHill> I have two tutorials I'm stuck on >.<
Dec 06 19:17:03 <abstract3d> CosmoHill: please.. i have to eat from yesterday :$
Dec 06 19:17:21 <abstract3d> hm.. stucked @ this black screen??
Dec 06 19:19:15 <CosmoHill> do you have an underscore flashing?
Dec 06 19:20:34 <abstract3d> i shutted down vm. and boot it again. now i see this 'art screen
Dec 06 19:20:47 <GAN900> rumohr, no such roadmap exists.
Dec 06 19:21:29 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: just fyi - my experience led to bug 10917 being filed ;)
Dec 06 19:21:31 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10917 nor, Undecided, ---, yan.yin, NEW, Netbook installer fails to partition drives slightly larger than required minimum size.
Dec 06 19:21:33 <GAN900> rumohr, given that that'd generally be considered privileged information by the manufacturers involved. ;)
Dec 06 19:23:57 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: it seems that i have that problem just fyi - my experience led to bug 10917 being filed ;
Dec 06 19:24:00 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10917 nor, Undecided, ---, yan.yin, NEW, Netbook installer fails to partition drives slightly larger than required minimum size.
Dec 06 19:24:01 <abstract3d> oops
Dec 06 19:24:09 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=310
Dec 06 19:25:06 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: tl;dr no context
Dec 06 19:26:21 <qgil> dneary: ping
Dec 06 19:26:39 <dneary> qgil, Pong
Dec 06 19:26:47 <dneary> But on my way home :}
Dec 06 19:26:52 <qgil> hi dneary I was looking at your comment at http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Marketing/MeeGo_vs_Android&diff=0&oldid=20719
Dec 06 19:26:53 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: i am having that now http://oi54.tinypic.com/1zlrqxu.jpg
Dec 06 19:27:02 <abstract3d> wtf :$
Dec 06 19:27:14 <qgil> I wonder though how that wiki page can be heavily influenced by your article when (if I recall correctly) the wiki page came first  :)
Dec 06 19:27:22 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: boot without quiet
Dec 06 19:27:34 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: hm.. quiet? :$
Dec 06 19:27:38 <dneary> qgil, I started working on the page, and then had to switch
Dec 06 19:27:48 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: press TAB during boot to edit the kernel cmdline
Dec 06 19:27:58 <abstract3d> aha
Dec 06 19:28:03 <dneary> qgil, So that can be taken to be a comment at the top of a future version of the page, heavily influenced by the article :)
Dec 06 19:28:12 <qgil> dneary: but most of the beef you can read there is mine
Dec 06 19:28:21 <dneary> qgil, I didn't use that page as a source
Dec 06 19:28:24 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: and vga=vesa?
Dec 06 19:28:40 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: you could try that but most important remove quiet!
Dec 06 19:28:46 <abstract3d> ok :D
Dec 06 19:28:49 <dneary> qgil, I added the link only as a reference... I didn't mean to take credit for your work. Will reword now
Dec 06 19:28:51 <qgil> dneary: not that I'm claiming anything - I'm just saying that the text I wrote before your article can't be influenced by your article, for an obvious reason  :)
Dec 06 19:29:06 <dneary> qgil, Just trying to be a good task owner & move it forward inch by inch :)
Dec 06 19:29:41 <qgil> dneary: it's good to have the link to your article
Dec 06 19:30:37 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: and now i can see a blank screen but i can write whatever i want
Dec 06 19:30:37 <abstract3d> :P
Dec 06 19:30:40 <dneary> qgil, Reworded. I apologise - as it was, it gave a false impression.
Dec 06 19:30:48 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: press alt-f1
Dec 06 19:31:02 <dm8tbr> anyway, gtg, bbl
Dec 06 19:31:36 <qgil> dneary: clear now, thanks!
Dec 06 19:31:49 <abstract3d> dm8tbr: yy i did and i logged into
Dec 06 19:31:55 <abstract3d> bb and thanks for all your help :)
Dec 06 19:35:58 <rumohr> GAN900: thx.
Dec 06 19:40:19 <abstract3d> i have a meego-power-ico proccess that its repeating
Dec 06 19:49:17 <abstract3d> i cannt boot meego 1.1 netbook inside a vbox
Dec 06 19:49:29 <abstract3d> i have meego-power-ico problem allways
Dec 06 19:50:21 <abstract3d> any idea?
Dec 06 19:55:14 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: I wasn't able to boot it either, but I was also getting complaints about ia32 support I think
Dec 06 19:55:26 <magius_pendragon> or just a black screen
Dec 06 19:55:31 <magius_pendragon> I tried a few things, can't remember what
Dec 06 19:56:18 <abstract3d> why noone can't remember what :P
Dec 06 19:56:38 <abstract3d> please next time write it down so we can use those info :P
Dec 06 19:57:02 <magius_pendragon> haha I never got it working, I just started with meego a week ago (went out and bought a netbook)
Dec 06 19:57:12 <magius_pendragon> but I feel your pain
Dec 06 19:57:40 <abstract3d> :$
Dec 06 19:58:25 <magius_pendragon> my intended use requires more poking, but I'm not sure where to start :/
Dec 06 20:01:14 <abstract3d> are you fucking kiding me ? :P
Dec 06 20:01:18 <abstract3d> thats DWM?
Dec 06 20:01:20 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: what?
Dec 06 20:01:53 <abstract3d> ah now its TWM
Dec 06 20:02:00 <abstract3d> i did startx
Dec 06 20:02:04 <abstract3d> and now i am @TWM
Dec 06 20:02:24 <magius_pendragon> ah
Dec 06 20:02:26 <abstract3d> where is meego GUI? :$
Dec 06 20:02:57 <abstract3d> what do i have to do?
Dec 06 20:04:17 <CosmoHill> auke: would you mind helping me and my friend with msgrcv?
Dec 06 20:04:23 <magius_pendragon> no idea :/
Dec 06 20:06:58 <auke> abstract3d: if your VM doesn't support GL, you're screwed
Dec 06 20:07:12 <abstract3d> auke: i am using vbox
Dec 06 20:07:28 <auke> does it support GL?
Dec 06 20:07:49 <abstract3d> brb i have to move my seat :/
Dec 06 20:09:32 <babsher_> so there are plans for a tv version of meego?
Dec 06 20:09:41 <babsher_> has anyone seen google tv
Dec 06 20:17:20 <timeless_mbp> babsher_: err
Dec 06 20:17:44 <timeless_mbp> babsher_: like http://meego.com/devices/connected-tv ?
Dec 06 20:23:10 <abstract3d> auke: i am trying to go with 1.1 netbook into vbox
Dec 06 20:26:26 <lbt> auke: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10910
Dec 06 20:29:08 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: does your proc support vmx?
Dec 06 20:29:33 <abstract3d> i have intel c2d t9400 2.53 i suppose that yes
Dec 06 20:30:49 <magius_pendragon> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep --color vmx, not all modorn cpus support it
Dec 06 20:31:19 <abstract3d> magius_pendragon: y its been supported
Dec 06 20:32:01 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: Might only be the mobile ones, but I know for e.g. my netbook doesn't
Dec 06 20:35:22 <abstract3d> magius_pendragon: the problem is that i am seeing only TWM
Dec 06 20:35:35 <merlin_1991> hm what are the chances of running meego on the acer revo 3600? I'm getting one as htpc and might leave some space on it's hdd for playing with meego
Dec 06 20:36:19 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: if they're worried about 3d support, I think it's basically either virtualization extensions or your driver
Dec 06 20:36:31 <magius_pendragon> so I'm trying to eliminate one
Dec 06 20:36:53 <abstract3d> well i didnt do the part with gl @guide because someone posted that he solve his problem with passing over this step
Dec 06 20:36:59 <abstract3d> but i think that i have to do that also
Dec 06 20:37:05 <magius_pendragon> I would try it
Dec 06 20:38:24 <abstract3d> magius_pendragon: hm.. @guide it has a step "enable PAE"
Dec 06 20:38:29 <abstract3d> what is that?
Dec 06 20:39:53 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: I'm not at the right computer, but I think that's one of the optinos in the virutal box menu, under System?
Dec 06 20:44:31 <abstract3d> y
Dec 06 20:44:34 <abstract3d> magius_pendragon: y
Dec 06 20:44:46 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: couldn't tell ya
Dec 06 20:44:52 <abstract3d> i am trying to do scp user@host:~/Downloads/libglx.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions but it cannot find hostname
Dec 06 20:46:06 <magius_pendragon> you're doing that from inside the vm?
Dec 06 20:46:26 <abstract3d> y
Dec 06 20:46:43 <magius_pendragon> is that a yes or a why?
Dec 06 20:46:51 <magius_pendragon> lol
Dec 06 20:47:32 <abstract3d> yes*
Dec 06 20:48:02 <magius_pendragon> do you have networking working in the vm?
Dec 06 20:48:15 <abstract3d> yy
Dec 06 20:48:16 <abstract3d> yes*
Dec 06 20:48:43 <magius_pendragon> and user@host is your desktop, the one that's running the vm?
Dec 06 20:48:52 <magius_pendragon> try the ip if hte hostname doesn't work
Dec 06 20:49:26 <abstract3d> hm yes nice idea :P
Dec 06 20:50:41 <abstract3d> wtf
Dec 06 20:50:50 <abstract3d> why not aint it there any wget for meego?
Dec 06 20:51:01 <magius_pendragon> zypper install wget
Dec 06 20:51:09 <magius_pendragon> erm as root
Dec 06 20:56:51 <abstract3d> magius_pendragon: is it better to have emulated netbook install into VBox or having MeeGo_SDK inside opensuse etc?
Dec 06 20:57:48 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: sounds like the Vm is the "easier" route, unless you're working on UI stuff.
Dec 06 20:58:11 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: you're on linux anyway, aren't you? I think qemu might be easier / better documented
Dec 06 20:58:23 <dm8tbr> no 3d accel there though IIRC
Dec 06 20:58:58 <magius_pendragon> dm8tbr: if no 3d accel, then cdan't use the vm
Dec 06 20:59:04 <magius_pendragon> doesn't boot into the UI
Dec 06 20:59:17 <dm8tbr> magius_pendragon: there are qemu images. I've used one
Dec 06 20:59:26 <magius_pendragon> I stand corrected
Dec 06 20:59:53 <dm8tbr> regular netbook image seems to swear and curse though :/
Dec 06 21:00:59 <abstract3d> omg :P
Dec 06 21:01:06 <abstract3d> i want to build GUI apps :P
Dec 06 21:01:17 <magius_pendragon> poor abstract3d, everyone's giving him bad/wrong info
Dec 06 21:01:22 <abstract3d> so i am messed up with vm without any special reason for me :$
Dec 06 21:01:43 <abstract3d> hm :/ i did and libglx thing but nothing happened
Dec 06 21:01:50 <abstract3d> still TWM -.-
Dec 06 21:03:10 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: if it makes you feel better, i haven't gotten anything on my question(s) :p
Dec 06 21:03:12 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: just ditch it then for now and focus on getting your dev environment going
Dec 06 21:03:24 <magius_pendragon> dm8tbr: that's what he's been trying ot do all day
Dec 06 21:03:31 <magius_pendragon> dm8tbr: focusing on getting dev environment going
Dec 06 21:03:54 <dm8tbr> I'd have expected the test target VM to come last :)
Dec 06 21:04:17 <dm8tbr> I'll try to dig out the qemu image
Dec 06 21:04:27 <magius_pendragon> dm8tbr: it might have. Started with wondering about switching distributions to get qt designer, and then people suggested vm instead
Dec 06 21:04:35 <magius_pendragon> dm8tbr: or at least that's where I started listening
Dec 06 21:04:42 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: sound right?
Dec 06 21:05:47 <abstract3d> well, i can have qt-creator @gentoo but not meego_sdk
Dec 06 21:06:05 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: then why not just check the git repos?
Dec 06 21:06:13 <abstract3d> so a nice solution is to build dev env inside vm and write the ocde @gentoo_host
Dec 06 21:06:36 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: you can always go one more level removed (run sdk inside fedora inside gentoo (chroot | vm))
Dec 06 21:06:56 <abstract3d> crap
Dec 06 21:07:02 <magius_pendragon> I'm not suggesting it
Dec 06 21:07:04 <abstract3d> the only thing needed to move on from TWM
Dec 06 21:07:04 <magius_pendragon> that was more out of jest
Dec 06 21:07:09 <abstract3d> /usr/sbin/firstboot
Dec 06 21:07:12 <magius_pendragon> haha
Dec 06 21:07:17 <magius_pendragon> well you found it
Dec 06 21:07:26 <magius_pendragon> glad to know that works, I'm gonna have to figure it out
Dec 06 21:07:28 <magius_pendragon> eventually
Dec 06 21:07:31 <abstract3d> but its kinda ungly
Dec 06 21:07:37 <abstract3d> its like a window inside TWM
Dec 06 21:07:46 <magius_pendragon> yeah probably
Dec 06 21:07:56 <magius_pendragon> why not drop out of x and try it from the terminal?
Dec 06 21:08:28 <abstract3d> its an idea i will try that too
Dec 06 21:09:20 <abstract3d> omg.. i have allready done with firstboot why am i doing that again? :$
Dec 06 21:09:32 <magius_pendragon> because that's wwhat the command does?
Dec 06 21:10:40 <abstract3d> 4 sure
Dec 06 21:12:47 <abstract3d> FINALLY
Dec 06 21:12:54 <abstract3d> because startx its a crap
Dec 06 21:13:03 <abstract3d> /usr/sbin/uxlauncher is the way to go
Dec 06 21:16:49 <magius_pendragon> huh
Dec 06 21:16:52 <magius_pendragon> good to know
Dec 06 21:17:13 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: so you've blogged about this whole thing right? ;)
Dec 06 21:18:19 <rumohr> what is MADDE good for?
Dec 06 21:18:32 <rumohr> a core emulator?
Dec 06 21:19:57 <rumohr> got it..
Dec 06 21:20:09 <abstract3d> magius_pendragon: well i dont know whats the big problem :$
Dec 06 21:20:26 <abstract3d> the biggest problem is that that there is not any real big problem with 1.1 :$
Dec 06 21:20:30 <abstract3d> just the startx thing
Dec 06 21:20:39 <abstract3d> and there is no need for .img -> .iso
Dec 06 21:20:46 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: yeah, but you were complaining that nobody had written it down, so write it!
Dec 06 21:20:49 <abstract3d> i will write a post after if i am allive :p
Dec 06 21:20:53 <abstract3d> ok ok :D
Dec 06 21:21:12 <dm8tbr> abstract3d: did you get the release image working?
Dec 06 21:21:16 <abstract3d> yeap
Dec 06 21:21:22 <abstract3d> i just want one more thing to do
Dec 06 21:21:24 <dm8tbr> nice job
Dec 06 21:21:29 <abstract3d> startx to use /usr/sbin/uxlaunch
Dec 06 21:21:58 <dm8tbr> umm wasn't that stuff started via inittab?
Dec 06 21:22:07 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: ~/.xinitrc?
Dec 06 21:22:11 <abstract3d> i tried
Dec 06 21:22:23 <magius_pendragon> dm8tbr: it didn't launch into x for some reason
Dec 06 21:22:30 <abstract3d> nevermind
Dec 06 21:22:37 <abstract3d> u can do /usr/sbin/uxlaunch
Dec 06 21:22:40 <abstract3d> and no startx :p
Dec 06 21:22:47 <abstract3d> but thats a kinda lame
Dec 06 21:23:01 <abstract3d> because it doesnt get up whole X server with the right way
Dec 06 21:23:07 <dm8tbr> magius_pendragon: yeah, well it's too much geared at some atom netbook with intel gfx...
Dec 06 21:23:32 <magius_pendragon> dm8tbr: indeed
Dec 06 21:26:29 <auke> .xinitrc is not supported on meego
Dec 06 21:26:43 <auke> period (my decision)
Dec 06 21:27:10 <magius_pendragon> oh
Dec 06 21:27:12 <magius_pendragon> well
Dec 06 21:29:47 <magius_pendragon> sorry
Dec 06 21:30:46 <abstract3d> i think that i got it
Dec 06 21:37:55 <magius_pendragon> is there a way to suspend without the hotkey/lid?
Dec 06 21:38:06 <magius_pendragon> there should be, just can't remember what it is
Dec 06 21:39:17 <abstract3d> oh my god i gotta find a way to change that startx thing -.-
Dec 06 21:40:10 <auke> echo mem > ... ?
Dec 06 21:41:06 <magius_pendragon> sounds familiar, what's the file? somewher ein /proc right?
Dec 06 21:43:18 <auke>  /sys/power/state
Dec 06 21:43:55 <magius_pendragon> ah thanks
Dec 06 21:49:25 <abustany> hello there. I was wondering if there's a way to check the closed package requests for a given project
Dec 06 21:51:08 <abustany> or "my closed requests" for that matter
Dec 06 21:51:11 <abustany> (in the build service)
Dec 06 21:57:52 <abstract3d> wtf
Dec 06 21:57:58 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: ?
Dec 06 21:58:02 <abstract3d> the only thing that i am stucked
Dec 06 21:58:12 <abstract3d> is to make startx launch UX
Dec 06 21:58:13 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: lucky you, I'm stuck in a lot of things :p
Dec 06 21:58:25 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: xinitrc is apparently not supported
Dec 06 21:58:28 <abstract3d> i will right a blog post after that
Dec 06 21:58:37 <abstract3d> yeah but there are many other files
Dec 06 21:58:37 <lolloo> does U-boot work with other meego releases found the repoes?
Dec 06 21:58:43 <abstract3d> BUT NONE OF THEM IS SUPPORTED!
Dec 06 21:59:28 <abstract3d> i am trying to find the solution from /etc/X11
Dec 06 22:03:41 <abstract3d> i ll smack that :D
Dec 06 22:07:17 <abstract3d> twm is failsafe mode
Dec 06 22:07:20 <abstract3d> and for some reason
Dec 06 22:07:38 <abstract3d> the only check that it does is for kde, gnome, moblin & xfce desktop
Dec 06 22:07:45 <abstract3d> and failsafe is TWM
Dec 06 22:07:50 <abstract3d> if i understand it good
Dec 06 22:08:08 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: this sounds like a pain
Dec 06 22:09:03 <abstract3d> it is
Dec 06 22:09:12 <abstract3d> but it seems that it can listen .xsession
Dec 06 22:09:39 <abstract3d> but it is not supported as file of Startx(1)
Dec 06 22:10:12 <magius_pendragon> abstract3d: you know, I was giong to do this as well. This sounds like a bad idea now :(
Dec 06 22:12:42 <abstract3d> i will try to find the solution to that one, if not i will make a post where i will say that there is that problem
Dec 06 22:12:49 <abstract3d> maybe some1 else know the way to fix that
Dec 06 22:12:51 <abstract3d> or any meego dev
Dec 06 22:13:56 <auke> uxlaunch partially supports /etc/X11/xsession stuff, but that support will be removed in the future
Dec 06 22:14:37 <abstract3d> how can we change the behaviour of startx?
Dec 06 22:14:39 <abstract3d> god damn :$
Dec 06 22:14:48 <auke> startx is not supported
Dec 06 22:15:19 <abstract3d> hm
Dec 06 22:15:23 <abstract3d> startx is supported
Dec 06 22:15:30 <auke> no, it is not
Dec 06 22:15:34 <auke> not in MeeGo
Dec 06 22:15:38 <abstract3d> well
Dec 06 22:15:44 <abstract3d> startx goes to failsafe mode always
Dec 06 22:15:48 <abstract3d> and its loading twm
Dec 06 22:15:50 <abstract3d> thats because
Dec 06 22:16:02 <abstract3d> there is no option for uxlaunch
Dec 06 22:16:16 <auke> the fact that startx is present, doesn't mean that it (1) works or (2) is supported
Dec 06 22:16:16 <abstract3d> it's only checking for kde/gnome/xfce/moblin DE
Dec 06 22:16:47 <abstract3d> /etc/X11/xinit files shows that startx its not supported
Dec 06 22:16:56 <auke> startx is not supported
Dec 06 22:17:04 <abstract3d> ok well :$
Dec 06 22:17:07 <auke> the only thing supported is ... uxlaunch ...
Dec 06 22:17:52 <abstract3d> kk
Dec 06 22:17:59 <abstract3d> so i am ready to make the blogpost -.- :P
Dec 06 23:58:47 <kaushik> Anyone using rpmbuild for building meego kernel?
Dec 06 23:59:04 <kaushik> ~/rpmbuild/SPECS$ rpmbuild -ba /home/kaushik/rpmbuild/SPECS/kernel-mrst.spec
Dec 06 23:59:04 <kaushik> error: Failed build dependencies:
Dec 06 23:59:04 <kaushik> 	module-init-tools is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src
Dec 06 23:59:04 <kaushik> 	bash >= 2.03 is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src
Dec 06 23:59:04 <kaushik> 	sh-utils is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src
Dec 06 23:59:05 <kaushik> 	findutils is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src
Dec 06 23:59:07 <kaushik> 	make >= 3.78 is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src
Dec 06 23:59:09 <kaushik> 	linux-firmware is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src
Dec 06 23:59:11 <kaushik> 	elfutils-libelf-devel is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src
Dec 06 23:59:15 <kaushik> 	binutils-devel is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src
Dec 06 23:59:17 <kaushik> 	newt-devel is needed by kernel-mrst-2.6.35.3-12.1.src
Dec 06 23:59:31 <auke> using a pastebot would be preferred to pasting a ton of lines....
Dec 06 23:59:31 <kaushik> This dependencies are not found. I tried installing using yum
Dec 06 23:59:41 <kaushik> but yum says
Dec 07 00:00:44 <kaushik> ok
Dec 07 00:01:20 <auke> other than that, I have no idea... I let OBS do my package building for me usually :)
Dec 07 00:02:28 <kaushik> ok thanks
Dec 07 00:11:58 <CosmoHill> hey auke
Dec 07 00:12:07 <CosmoHill> kaushik: pastebin ftw
Dec 07 00:13:26 <kaushik> http://pastebin.com/embed_js.php?i=AzMgfefK
Dec 07 00:15:23 <auke> hehe
Dec 07 00:15:49 <CosmoHill> hehe ');
Dec 07 00:16:21 <CosmoHill> why not just install the ...why is bash listed?
Dec 07 00:16:38 <CosmoHill> I think my bash.rpm lists bash as a dependancies
Dec 07 00:17:33 <kaushik> i am trying to install them using yum but it says " Nothing to do"
Dec 07 00:17:57 <CosmoHill> try
Dec 07 00:18:01 <CosmoHill> rpm -q make
Dec 07 00:18:33 <kaushik> package make is not installed
Dec 07 00:19:07 <CosmoHill> what does "zypper install make" do?
Dec 07 00:19:55 <kaushik> I dnt have zypper installed
Dec 07 00:20:25 <CosmoHill> you must do, zypper is the default package manager for meego
Dec 07 00:21:08 <kaushik> ok
Dec 07 00:22:09 <kaushik> I m using ubuntu 10.04 ...what package i shud install
Dec 07 00:22:28 <CosmoHill> ooohh
Dec 07 00:22:50 <CosmoHill> in that case most dependancies will fail because they are not in the rpm database
Dec 07 00:23:30 <kaushik> yeah
Dec 07 00:24:46 <kaushik> what shud i do for that?
Dec 07 00:25:19 <CosmoHill> I'd ignore them
Dec 07 00:32:46 <kaushik> ok
Dec 07 00:33:12 <kaushik> then it won't build source code properly
Dec 07 00:33:34 <CosmoHill> i mean force rpm to build, ignoring the depentances
Dec 07 00:33:47 <CosmoHill> I'm assuming you have met the dependancies via apt-get
Dec 07 00:33:57 <kaushik> how can i do that?
Dec 07 00:34:13 <kaushik> how can i force it to build w/o dependencies
Dec 07 00:34:17 <CosmoHill> --force ?
Dec 07 00:37:42 <msvb1> —nodeps.
Dec 07 00:38:02 <kaushik> --nodeps is the right onw
Dec 07 00:38:04 <kaushik> one*
Dec 07 00:38:08 <CosmoHill> dman
Dec 07 00:38:11 <CosmoHill> damn*
Dec 07 00:42:27 <kaushik> thanks all ..its building
Dec 07 00:42:30 <kaushik> :)
Dec 07 00:42:48 <CosmoHill> things always work better when you just ignore the problems :)
Dec 07 00:43:35 <kaushik> ha ha
Dec 07 00:43:46 <kaushik> thanks .. i must note down that
Dec 07 00:46:10 <CosmoHill> "the car's on fire" "no it's not" *drives away with the car on fire*
Dec 07 01:04:25 <CosmoHill> bonne nuit
Dec 07 01:46:43 <kaushik> any one has any idea about this rpmbuild error?
Dec 07 01:46:45 <kaushik> http://pastebin.com/dT3CziRV
Dec 07 01:52:03 <abstract3d> http://abstract3d.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/meego_1-1_netboook_vbox/ just a way to see meego UX (with meego 1.1 installed inside a VM)
Dec 07 02:14:22 <kaushik> what is Clutter and MX for meego application framework?
Dec 07 02:16:07 <abstract3d> wtf.. whats the alternative yumdownloader for meego 1.1 (zypper) ?
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