**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 10 02:59:57 2010 Dec 10 03:00:46 there is no - in chroot Dec 10 03:00:57 also morning Termana Dec 10 03:02:26 evening Dec 10 03:02:47 are there an good large multi touch screens out there Dec 10 03:02:56 under 800 Dec 10 03:03:02 any* Dec 10 03:35:19 It's 3:30am and my friend has just left Dec 10 03:35:29 I have 400 words left to do until my assignment Dec 10 03:35:33 is finished Dec 10 03:41:05 append the log of #meego? that should make for interesting reading Dec 10 03:42:12 Dude that's horrible, nobody should ever have to read that. It's just SO wrong! Dec 10 03:43:38 hehe Dec 10 03:45:03 find a nice babble generator Dec 10 03:54:57 I'm chilly Dec 10 03:55:03 * CosmoHill goes on youtube Dec 10 04:59:42 * CosmoHill goes to sleep Dec 10 05:47:08 hi, where can i find the SRPM for stuff installed in the handset image? or just the spec files? or just the build logs? Dec 10 05:50:23 zecke: repo.meego.com Dec 10 05:52:24 timoph: anything more specific? all sources/ i have found only contain meego-*.srpm Dec 10 05:53:08 what you're looking for? Dec 10 05:54:04 timoph: the spec file for Qt4.7 and the qtwebkit release Dec 10 05:54:24 timoph: libqtwebkit4.armv7l 2.1~week37-1.6 Dec 10 05:54:28 I'd look for it in the core repos Dec 10 05:54:30 search the SRPM for this one Dec 10 05:55:06 oops.. i get fooled by the bomb symbol of the apache.. I assumed these are coredumps. :) Dec 10 05:55:14 :) Dec 10 05:56:40 zecke: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/source/qt-4.7.0-1.53.src.rpm Dec 10 05:57:01 timoph: thanks, the hint that 'core' is a directory helped Dec 10 05:57:10 webkit stuff is in a separate srpm Dec 10 05:57:32 but it's in the same directory Dec 10 05:57:32 timoph: would you know where to find build logs? they should be available on build.meego.com but that requires a login. :( Dec 10 05:57:47 already downloading both, and the web-runtime Dec 10 05:57:54 dunno if they're visible anywhere else Dec 10 06:57:27 Hmm, is there any coding convention documentation for contributions to meego components? (obviously following existing style, but is there anything written down...) Dec 10 07:17:23 g'moaning Dec 10 07:19:40 "Get an image or tarball (with a UX) from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/; either a netbook or handset image." but wich one do i need for aava? Dec 10 07:19:48 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/ from here i suppose Dec 10 07:20:00 but what is, mtf & mtf-devel Dec 10 07:20:02 For 1.1 yup Dec 10 07:20:13 neego touch framework Dec 10 07:20:19 meego .. Dec 10 07:20:28 bbl Dec 10 07:21:03 alterego: so i need mtf-devel or just mtf? Dec 10 08:00:02 alterego: ping Dec 10 08:00:46 it's "saying Get an image or tarball (with a UX) from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/; either a netbook or handset image.", into this guide http://wiki.meego.com/Building_a_MeeGo_chroot_on_Linux Dec 10 08:01:01 but wich one file is that i have to download? :/ Dec 10 08:01:26 aren't those guides fairly old? Dec 10 08:02:26 i want to build qemu from source Dec 10 08:03:08 and i have to do that, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools @Build and install kernel and modules Dec 10 08:10:21 also, when trying to do "extlinux --install /tmp/handset/boot/extlinux" it drops me a segmetation fault Dec 10 08:10:26 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Building_QEMU_Tools Dec 10 09:48:22 Hello, how should I use gstreamer with openmax on N900? I mean, it seems that there was no openmax impl in the binaries, right? Dec 10 10:31:13 yay both assignments are printed off :D Dec 10 10:50:19 bug 7790 concerns me. Dec 10 10:50:22 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot Dec 10 10:51:03 meh, we have to use upstream kernel so omap3 pm is next step Dec 10 10:51:06 we're working on it, honest Dec 10 10:54:13 I do not doubt it Stskeeps and I am not trying to focus on specific work for you, theres 505 people here and if they knew the components and actual issues required to be worked on, perhaps one of them could help Dec 10 10:54:48 lcuk: OMAP3 PM enabling, basically Dec 10 10:54:49 in kernel Dec 10 10:58:05 Stskeeps, are the modules there, but broken, at the moment? what prevents using the same modules that maemo on n900 uses? (are kernels *that* different? Dec 10 10:58:12 It should already be "being worked on" by the linux-omap guys Dec 10 10:58:37 Moin Dec 10 10:58:55 Why wouldn't people package the MeeGo netbook UX under a brand unrelated to MeeGo? Dec 10 10:59:03 Like Ubuntu & Unity Dec 10 10:59:14 seems like that would solve most of these trademark issues Dec 10 10:59:15 lcuk, in answer to "are kernels that different" - yes they are - you can't just transplant old modules to a new kernel Dec 10 10:59:33 dneary: i opened a policy bug regarding meego 'sub-projects'.. sec Dec 10 10:59:43 (actually, replacing MeeGo with Ubuntu or Unity respectively really helps understand the trademark issue for me) Dec 10 10:59:58 Imaging if Unity *were* called Ubuntu Desktop or something Dec 10 11:00:02 :nod: Dec 10 11:00:04 lcuk, also, if your talking about modules for OMAP3 PM, you don't get modules built for this part of the functionality since it's built into board support parts of the kernel Dec 10 11:00:04 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11105 Dec 10 11:00:07 Or Ubuntu Netbook Dec 10 11:00:37 Then of course Canonical would get antsy about having "Debian Ubuntu Netbook", "Red Hat Ubuntu Netbook", "Suse Ubuntu Netbook" Dec 10 11:00:46 or "Ubuntu Netbook for SuSe" Dec 10 11:00:48 or whatever Dec 10 11:01:05 But by branding it Unity, the origin issue & conflation with OS is avoided Dec 10 11:01:17 Unity for Debian is still Unity, but it's also Debian Dec 10 11:01:37 dneary: the trademark policy in place isn't so much different from what other projects use, yeah.. Dec 10 11:01:45 The request from smeegol & debian-meego is about packaging software Dec 10 11:01:58 Not making a total system Dec 10 11:02:27 dneary: so if the netbook UX had a name != MeeGo, it could be so-called on non-MeeGo systems Dec 10 11:02:37 Stskeeps, I just think that branding the UX software the same as the underlying system was a mistake, and one we can still fix Dec 10 11:02:52 Robot101, Zacly Dec 10 11:03:00 dneary: yeah, but it isn't going to stop there.. remember MeeGo Touch Dec 10 11:03:02 ? Dec 10 11:03:03 :P Dec 10 11:03:09 Robot101, In the Moblin days it used to be called MyZone Dec 10 11:03:14 hence we need a policy going forward Dec 10 11:03:31 Stskeeps, Then we have to start knocking heads & say "your software is for MeeGo, it's not MeeGo" Dec 10 11:03:46 The software can run on any distro Dec 10 11:04:03 And "MeeGo Touch on Ubuntu Netbook Edition" is just horrible Dec 10 11:04:16 You want to give credit where due, without consumer confusion Dec 10 11:04:21 So avoid brand extension Dec 10 11:04:32 MeeGo the brand = an entire system Dec 10 11:05:00 software written for it can be "...for MeeGo" or "MeeGo certified" if it meets the conditions Dec 10 11:05:03 i agree Dec 10 11:08:03 dneary: bzzzzt, not correct Dec 10 11:08:17 we had EXACTLY the same problem with Moblin as we do with MeeGo Dec 10 11:08:26 Moblin == Whole OS Dec 10 11:08:35 Moblin UX == Netbook UI Dec 10 11:09:12 Ubuntu Moblin Remix == Ubuntu netbook wth Moblin UX Dec 10 11:10:19 slaine, Ah Dec 10 11:10:28 slaine, Not MyZone Dec 10 11:10:45 No, MyZone was and still part of the UX Dec 10 11:10:50 It's the main panel Dec 10 11:11:44 Or the home panel I guess would be a better name given the icon Dec 10 11:11:56 I was surprised they made the same mistake Dec 10 11:12:22 We're already starting to see some of the issues as a community that I spent a lot of time dealing with on #moblin Dec 10 11:13:05 namely, someone joins the channel for support of their os, Says its moblin or meego but it turns out they're running Fedora or Ubuntu with the UX on Dec 10 11:14:20 :) Dec 10 11:14:31 slaine, That's when you know you have brand dilution Dec 10 11:14:50 slaine, What'd you make of shy developer syndrome article, if you read it? Dec 10 11:16:51 They get sent back and forth between the #fedora channel and the #meego Dec 10 11:17:07 Sorry, meant to press return on that a few mins back, was distracted my shiney things Dec 10 11:17:35 dneary: It's on my open tabs but I've not had a chance to read over it full ( I think I got about half way before a meeting) Dec 10 11:25:32 Ooh shiny things Dec 10 11:26:14 kyb3R_: ping Dec 10 11:27:38 pong Dec 10 11:27:43 oops Dec 10 11:27:52 sorry, reflex ;) Dec 10 11:28:30 lordy :-P Dec 10 12:10:54 lardman, hey, question - does matlab integrate with c# and .net? I thought it had its own language Dec 10 12:11:23 (just spotted a design engineer job posting which made me curious) Dec 10 12:13:02 lcuk: MATLAB can call external code, whatever Java can call basically, and likewise can be embedded Dec 10 12:16:49 reboot time, ff has gone mad Dec 10 12:36:25 announcement: Former Meegolandia is now MeeGo Network Finland, the first regional MeeGo Network. More information can be found from the old domain: http://meegolandia.com/ Dec 10 12:37:08 new domain is http://meegonetwork.fi and for the summit: http://summit.meegonetwork.fi Dec 10 12:37:29 * kyb3R ends spamming here Dec 10 12:44:29 in the ancient ruins of hervanta? Dec 10 12:44:54 who what? Dec 10 12:58:11 Hi, is there any chance to gain access to bugzilla rest api at bugs.meego.com? is this resource public? (that question could be repeated because of xchat timeout) Dec 10 13:04:51 lardman, didn't know, anyway the job I saw was posted from ARM guy Alban Rampon earlier today on twitter http://twitter.com/AlbanRampon/status/13196919299899392 perhaps you know people who may be interested Dec 10 13:06:43 cheers lcuk Dec 10 14:04:44 hi, found a tweet about meego images now being build daily. Is there a mail or something with more info to link from @meegocom? thanks http://twitter.com/jukkaeklund/status/13213513686196224 Dec 10 14:08:38 yeah sure Dec 10 14:08:52 one moment qgilN900 Dec 10 14:09:46 What's the diff between ia32 and ia32-pinetrail ? Dec 10 14:11:21 qgilN900, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/ Dec 10 14:11:58 I think it touch framework slaine Dec 10 14:12:12 lolloo thanks, but I'm asking for an email of someone explaining the change, reasons, whether this is a test or new process... Dec 10 14:12:13 right Dec 10 14:12:23 there is a log qgilN900 Dec 10 14:12:37 Stskeeps might know qgilN900 Dec 10 14:12:50 look for changelog in repo Dec 10 14:13:02 qgilN900, daily trunks have been available for at least hte last 3 months Dec 10 14:13:06 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1900 Dec 10 14:13:17 you thanked osmeone who mentioned how to get it on their device Dec 10 14:13:25 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/ Dec 10 14:13:47 or is that last month, hmm checking date format Dec 10 14:15:22 still can't if this daily-trunk was indeed created now, why, if it's going to stay, some explanations of a maintainer Dec 10 14:15:56 last date is 10 december Dec 10 14:19:54 qgilN900, actually, bug 8502 will be related Dec 10 14:19:57 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8502 nor, Undecided, ---, michael.r.shaver, NEW, Publishing daily .ks files with the daily repos Dec 10 14:21:42 lcuk: has the gfx accel stuff been merged w/ trunk yet? Dec 10 14:22:39 also bug 9208 Dec 10 14:22:42 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9208 nor, High, ---, vivian.zhang, VERI FIXED, As of Oct 29th Trunk:Testing and Trunk:Daily do not build for N900 Dec 10 14:22:45 tybollt, not sure Dec 10 14:30:58 I keep wanting to install software thta's not in the meego repositories. Is there a safe way of adding more? I tried adding the suse oss repo, but it looks like it's going to break a lot of things (and the software I wanted still doesn't work :/) Dec 10 14:32:55 magius_pendragon: get a community obs account and become a packager? ;) Dec 10 14:33:04 magius_pendragon, get involved in the ITP/request queue Dec 10 14:33:21 Chani,lcuk: not sure what either of those mean / entails Dec 10 14:33:30 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP Dec 10 14:33:32 ITP? Dec 10 14:33:34 then read Dec 10 14:34:01 ah, neat Dec 10 14:36:26 Alright then, thanks Dec 10 15:04:07 hahaha lol, son saying his web data allowance is being used up very quickly Dec 10 15:04:31 he said "he was only going on facebook and not downloading anything" Dec 10 15:04:44 * lcuk facepalmed and explained Dec 10 15:17:21 * CosmoHill has handed in his assignments :D Dec 10 15:27:07 Anyone attending FOSS.in ? :) Dec 10 15:36:10 aaahhh Dec 10 15:36:15 that reminds me of structsa Dec 10 16:16:41 does there exists updated guidie of this http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vljn for meego v1.1? Dec 10 16:18:17 okay, i've found something: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2117 ..... Dec 10 16:19:37 can't wait when i'll get ssd and install MeeGo v1.1 on it, i just can't stand windows any more Dec 10 16:26:49 hello all, can i install meego os on LG mobile? Dec 10 16:27:31 gnugr: maybe Dec 10 16:27:43 depends on how much effort you're willing to put into it ;) Dec 10 16:28:31 full installing Dec 10 16:31:59 is there any statement of MeeGo developers telling when nvidia (ion) will be officially supported by MeeGo? Dec 10 16:32:21 when nvidia releases documentation? Dec 10 16:32:24 hrrhrr Dec 10 16:35:14 tho1: Really it comes down to when Ion will be supported by the X.org project. MeeGo is just a downstream consumer. It may be that particular hardware vendors will include support for any given Ion device (I have no knowledge). But core MeeGo is limited to shipping stuff from the upstream projects. Dec 10 16:35:36 users vljn and gordons had successfully installed proprietary nvidia drivers and they confirmed that hardware acceleration is working, so for what do we need nvidia documentation? (I guess for noveau) Dec 10 16:36:56 so, it's a matter of time... Dec 10 16:38:03 anyway, i'm going to make use of existing tutorials how to install meego with nvidia. Dec 10 16:40:55 tho1, the key is getting the proprietary drivers to match the currently shipping MeeGo X version, we have similar issues even with Intel EMGD drivers Dec 10 16:41:51 tho1, another part of Intel I must say, not the MeeGo chaps Dec 10 16:49:14 Hi Dec 10 16:49:34 Anyone know of any devices shipping with MeeGo already? Dec 10 16:49:55 amino's STBs? Dec 10 16:50:11 and the tablet with the crazy UI and they're really proud how it's not meego Dec 10 16:50:14 nothing that qualifies as "compliant" yet Dec 10 16:50:15 ('s UX) Dec 10 16:51:39 Robot101, you mean the weetab thingy? Dec 10 16:51:46 tripzero: yeah Dec 10 16:51:50 lol Dec 10 16:51:58 weetab and amino STBs are meego core compliant Dec 10 16:52:46 * odin_ grumbes about lack of meego-dev participation in IPv6 Dec 10 16:52:59 * alterego wonders if more maemo devs would be willing to hack on meego if some of the stock apps ran on maemo. Dec 10 16:53:38 alterego, a lot of them could... if the maemo devs fixed meegotouch Dec 10 16:53:39 dm8tbr, I hope you are putting a reply together? :) Dec 10 16:54:31 berndhs, and you Bernd! Dec 10 16:55:29 odin_: ipv6 is old and boring Dec 10 16:55:46 indeed but non-function in MeeGo at this time Dec 10 16:55:58 s/function/functional/ Dec 10 16:55:59 odin_ meant: indeed but non-functional in MeeGo at this time Dec 10 16:56:25 tripzero: it doesn't work? Dec 10 16:56:34 err, why does infobot do translations for people to stupid to understand basic regex? Dec 10 16:56:45 alterego, not in any way people can actually build things against it Dec 10 16:57:04 Urgh Dec 10 16:57:21 i must say i haven't tried it in a couple months though Dec 10 16:57:26 maybe it's fixed by now Dec 10 16:57:53 I can't even find it in the repositories .. Dec 10 16:58:04 it's in extras-devel iirc Dec 10 16:58:12 nope Dec 10 16:58:23 does meego-netbook have specific optimizations for intel atom/c2d processors? Dec 10 16:59:06 (i mean, does meego runs faster on these machines because of that it's only for atom or c2d) Dec 10 17:03:25 tho1, it should be optimized Dec 10 17:03:30 for the atom Dec 10 17:03:35 is there any control to the sleep/hinbernate/whatever... I want to maybe re-purpose the IdeaPad mute button, for double/triple click to screen blank, and to screen blank and disable lid-close shutdown Dec 10 17:04:22 odin_, pm-utils? Dec 10 17:08:38 thanks noted for laters, and is the little button above the escape,with the "Return" or "back/previous" looking icon also on the regular keymap Dec 10 17:11:05 odin_: seemingly not Dec 10 17:11:32 I think it can be read by directly accessing the EC, but that sounds a bit dangerous and potentially unportable to me. Dec 10 17:12:10 is any debian based meego available ? Dec 10 17:12:13 hmm yes what I suspected or a kernel driver tweak can make is visible? Dec 10 17:12:45 is it used for the Lenovo BIOS/management-partition quick restore function Dec 10 17:13:08 Heh, mtf doesn't compile because a load of files don't have a new line at the end of them .. Dec 10 17:14:34 Which is fun Dec 10 17:14:39 Found three files with this issue. Dec 10 17:14:59 Probably why mtf failed to build in maemo builder Dec 10 17:18:29 it generates a keyboard interrupt, only if you hold it down a moment :) so I guess it maybe possible to see it Dec 10 17:22:12 would be good to hold the mute button down, and use the touch screen to drag, to alter volume Dec 10 17:22:57 maybe up/down for brightness Dec 10 17:23:40 odin_: ah, that's nice to know (having to hold it) Dec 10 17:24:27 no I'm just thinking out load, it does not do that at this time Dec 10 17:27:13 it does Dec 10 17:27:20 holding generates F8 scancode here Dec 10 17:28:06 it is aliased to F8 in X11, but is really a unique scancode further up input stack ? Dec 10 17:28:11 yep Dec 10 17:28:18 66 at linux input layer Dec 10 17:28:32 ok good Dec 10 17:28:33 (which is F8 on usual PC) Dec 10 18:58:17 jchang: always good to ask in here rather than /msg Dec 10 18:58:47 so ... just checking, that's opensource code? Dec 10 18:59:02 Yes. Dec 10 18:59:37 ok.... Dec 10 18:59:52 Thanks. Dec 10 19:01:10 mmm we're having sync issues and the only guy who can fix it isn't about right now .... sorry Dec 10 19:18:09 jchang: sorted Dec 10 20:01:42 what password I require to login into https://api.meego.com/? Is ti same as https://build.pub.meego.com? Dec 10 20:04:55 what password I require to login into https://api.meego.com/? Is it same as https://build.pub.meego.com? Dec 10 20:24:32 kaushik: api.meego.com is the api for build.meego.com. I would think it would be api.pub.meego.com or something similar Dec 10 20:25:07 ok ..let me try Dec 10 20:33:02 Sage: that works Dec 10 20:33:06 thanks Dec 10 20:50:00 kaushik: np Dec 10 21:16:04 is the source code available for the nokia youtube uploader app ( http://store.ovi.com/content/39065?clickSource=publisher+channel ) Dec 10 21:18:42 npm, this is #meego, is that app available here? Dec 10 21:20:32 lcuk -- i know that, i want to do my homework before reinventing the wheel for http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com Dec 10 21:21:31 the answer in #maemo was "probably not" Dec 10 21:22:07 npm, wasnt the question about that to build it in qml? Dec 10 21:22:14 yes Dec 10 21:22:29 but it's gotta be a hybrid of qml and c++ Dec 10 21:22:41 and as for reinventing the wheel, hasn't the uploader app been already written in multiple language and platforms Dec 10 21:22:51 so if i can take existing c++ code ... Dec 10 21:22:52 is there already a qt generic open imple,entation? Dec 10 21:22:53 yes it has Dec 10 21:23:21 if so, try building that direct on meego? Dec 10 21:23:31 not that i know of, and there's a diff between http://youtube-direct.googlecode.com and regular youtube uploading Dec 10 21:24:14 pass, you are seemingly more knowledgable than I, contact the app developer/maintainer and see whether its open (for the ovi one you noticed) Dec 10 21:24:38 the app developer is "Nokia" Dec 10 21:24:53 which is why i asked here, since Nokia people Dec 10 21:24:56 are here Dec 10 21:25:23 is there any twitter client that works on meego? the built in one won't cut it, and I can't get any of the other ones i"ve found to build Dec 10 21:31:47 world leaders setting you all up right now to get microchipped by RFID microchips with identity/healthcare/credit information into their new world order why they are folding the economy , their solution to the problem they are causing is the RFID microchip http://www.scribd.com/doc/44997148/The-Mark-of-the-Beast Romans 10:13 all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Dec 10 21:32:04 I should package my twitter client, so that people like magius_pendragon can complain about it :) Dec 10 21:33:09 sigh, more spam Dec 10 21:34:19 Hmm, what's the difference between the n900 and n900-devel images? Dec 10 21:34:45 debug rpms and headers are installed on -devel Dec 10 21:35:00 berndhs: the problem with meego's is i need multiple twitter accounts. The problem with most web-based oens I've seen is te same, and hootsuite was way too slow Dec 10 21:35:26 auke, ta Dec 10 21:36:47 magius_pendragon: I had tweetdeck installed on 1.0 Dec 10 21:36:56 haven't tried it with 1.1 Dec 10 21:42:01 DawnFoster: I've been avoiding air, but I'll check it out Dec 10 21:42:33 magius_pendragon: yeah, not ideal, but might be good enough until we get more native apps Dec 10 21:43:10 DawnFoster: thanks, I'll try that and see if it's good enough Dec 10 21:45:51 odin_: mh, need to look at the ml. currently I'm mainly using mutt without threading and only one mailbox. need to change that asap Dec 10 21:49:32 dm8tbr, ok no worries I'm just trying to press for some response, ideas and consensus Dec 10 21:50:11 odin_: sure, some decisive ipv6 movement won't hurt :) Dec 10 21:52:22 dm8tbr, Carsten suggested a working group but would be good to have mailing list discussion first to mark out the corners in discovering requirements Dec 10 21:54:37 odin_: well, I guess we won't get around doing it bottom up, start with the kernel, then libc (including resolving, preverences, gaia.conf etc), then all other userspace Dec 10 21:56:04 odin_: and we better stick to the RFCs, else we'll get burnt pretty well. that is we should do ipv6 > ipv4 not the other way around. if a vendor wants it different, they should change it, we should do it according to standards. Dec 10 21:58:40 dm8tbr, I don't understand the context i your reference to RFCs, as in.... we don't have to write an IPv6 implementation (i.e. the RFC mandated stuff is already created), we just need to massage it into the MeeGo platform in a usable way Dec 10 21:58:54 s/i /in / Dec 10 22:02:33 o_O Dec 10 22:02:42 running handset on ideapad Dec 10 22:02:54 using the trackpad moves the cursor Dec 10 22:02:59 but cannot click anything Dec 10 22:03:04 :o Dec 10 22:03:16 lcuk, is it disabled in bios Dec 10 22:03:32 lcuk, your clicker? Dec 10 22:03:36 AndyBleaden, but switching back to netbook.. Dec 10 22:04:00 i can click things Dec 10 22:04:31 not vital since I have been using handset on screen to test Dec 10 22:04:32 Bostik: well now i can understand why you love vim :P Dec 10 22:04:33 lcuk, Dec 10 22:04:34 but amusing Dec 10 22:04:47 lcuk http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/IdeaPad-S-series-Netbooks/how-to-disable-touchpad-on-lenovo-s10-3-under-ubuntu-10-10/td-p/317439 Dec 10 22:05:00 lcuk any use? Dec 10 22:05:27 lcuk, sorry wrong link http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/how-to-discard-the-touchpad-in-Linux/m-p/317407#U317407 Dec 10 22:06:10 lcuk, i know we are not on ubuntu but some things cross over Dec 10 22:08:17 AndyBleaden, sure, thats similar to the getting right mouse button tweak Dec 10 22:08:51 but am curious as to why using same meego core on same system the left tap action is not being responded to, will file a proper bug about it Dec 10 22:09:06 lcuk, remember fartin around with this in ubuntu when Icould not get used to the trackpad and tried a mouse Dec 10 22:09:30 lcuk, bout as useful as trying to smoke a pipe in the end :) Dec 10 22:09:36 odin_: yes, but IIRC the RFC mandates that IPv6 > IPv4 and this _can_ be changed in /etc/gai.conf usually. So we should make sure that we ship sane and compliant defaults. Dec 10 22:09:47 hmm AndyBleaden ? whats about as useful? Dec 10 22:11:23 anyway, I just came back from Tieto pikkujoulu - time to head to sleep. :) Dec 10 22:11:24 lcuk, turning off the trackpad.remember I did it too with my work lenovo t61 and then forgot and nearly filed an IT support job for a er broken um trackpad Dec 10 22:12:11 lcuk, felt a bit silly.vowed not to turn things off again...til I accidently turned off the ideapad wifi that is... Dec 10 22:12:38 eep Dec 10 22:12:58 lcuk, need a sudo / su block on manual switches for me :) Dec 10 22:13:00 AndyBleaden, generally I prefer to look before I leap with system config stuff Dec 10 22:13:38 lcuk, hmm ...might try that one time. ;) Dec 10 22:13:51 lcuk, nearly learnt my lesson Dec 10 22:13:57 :) yes, saves much time afterwards Dec 10 22:14:59 lcuk, mind you would have stuck with Internet Explorer Dec 10 22:15:13 lcuk, and Microsoft Office Dec 10 22:15:28 lcuk, and Norton Antivirus Dec 10 22:15:39 lcuk, and Outlook Dec 10 22:16:07 stooop Dec 10 22:16:47 lcuk, and Windows too..enough! the worst though was the wifi switch incident.felt a right plonker Dec 10 22:22:06 dm8tbr, what does "IPv6 > IPv4" mean to you ? please use a technical term Dec 10 22:23:50 IPv6 addresses are preferred over IPv4 Dec 10 22:23:59 and it's also bigger :-) Dec 10 22:23:59 dm8tbr, prioritization of applications select using one version 4 or 6 over the other ? sure but its more complex than this, when you take into account the concept of multiple defined "locations" and each location might want a different scheme Dec 10 22:25:16 dm8tbr, i.e. some locations might advertise IPv6 on WLAN but it is actually broken, so I might want to instruct the MeeGo location setup to use "4 in priority to 6" Dec 10 22:26:42 odin_, is that where connman-testing comes in? Dec 10 22:27:37 yeah maybe... I'm just trying to explain my view point (i.e. all the IPv6 location to come online over the next 3 years might not work as well as each other) and the device user just wants stuff to work Dec 10 22:31:08 odin_: connman applet doesn't know if you are connected in ipv6 or not Dec 10 22:31:19 i filed a bug for that Dec 10 22:31:28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 for people like me who don't understand ipv4 or 6 Dec 10 22:32:34 berndhs, please attach it as a Depends On for buug#10984 (i.e. edit 10984) Dec 10 22:32:44 ipv6 will be mandatory in 2011 Dec 10 22:32:52 many network operators are demanding it Dec 10 22:33:09 damn just 3 weeks left :P Dec 10 22:34:12 berndhs, odin_ thiago using connman test-services I get IPv4 = { Netmask=255.255.255.0 Gateway=192.168.1.254 Method=dhcp Address=192.168.1.75 } Dec 10 22:34:12 IPv6 = { Method=off } Dec 10 22:34:12 2011 will be a big year... Dec 10 22:34:55 thiago, what ..bigger than a leap year? Dec 10 22:35:15 I don't know much about the "mobile IPv6" parts of specifications at this time, but I guess it only affected Mobile Network Operator based connectivity (which is an important _PART_ of MeeGo) Dec 10 22:35:18 no, just the regular size :-) Dec 10 22:35:33 hey thiago_home \o Dec 10 22:35:44 still big though Dec 10 22:36:00 we could theoretically adjust the earth orbit Dec 10 22:36:03 thiago, oh gawd thought the banking crisis meant we now had to have more days too Dec 10 22:36:06 and make it a REALLLLLLY big year Dec 10 22:36:39 we can add seconds to the year... Dec 10 22:36:41 lcuk, thiago hey or maybe I could go into the bios and reset the time and date stuff Dec 10 22:37:04 like I did way back in 2011 Dec 10 22:37:16 maybe if we through a bunch of heavy things into the sun, the earth will move outward Dec 10 22:37:22 2008 was 366 days and 1 second long, for example Dec 10 22:37:28 AndyBleaden, i am sensing your faffing gets you into more hassle than it cures Dec 10 22:37:44 thiago_home, sure, leap seconds are added at various years Dec 10 22:37:49 berndhs, maybe if we move public debt there Dec 10 22:38:07 lcuk, faff is a strong word. Break is better Dec 10 22:38:13 1972 was 366 days and 2 seconds long Dec 10 22:38:24 how about private debt :) Dec 10 22:38:35 berndhs, I am clean Dec 10 22:39:10 berndhs, maybe tax avoidance is larger Dec 10 22:39:43 its easy to lower tax avoidance, just lower taxes Dec 10 22:39:54 berndhs, Nooo! Dec 10 22:42:56 lcuk, I must have bored you stupid with the 3g story too? Dec 10 22:45:17 lcuk, it makes the wifi switch look innocent Dec 10 22:46:18 lcuk, you have a card insert at the back of your battery casing? Dec 10 22:47:05 AndyBleaden, no Dec 10 22:47:19 since theres no modem I dropped that line of enquiry Dec 10 22:47:45 but having no adhoc networking is a pita for actually Connecting this ideapad to my n900 Dec 10 22:48:53 lcuk, I saw a hole Dec 10 22:49:18 just because theres a hole does not mean you HAVE to push something into it. Dec 10 22:49:25 lcuk, when I took off the battery and realised you could put a sim card in there Dec 10 22:49:39 lcuk, what.lifes not like that! Dec 10 22:49:39 i saw it too and asked about it Dec 10 22:49:43 theres no modem tho Dec 10 22:49:47 lcuk, ah Dec 10 22:49:49 so a bit pointless Dec 10 22:49:55 lcuk, worse Dec 10 22:50:25 lcuk, sim card..says in book..hole is for sim card..I thought Dec 10 22:50:38 lcuk, it was a hole Dec 10 22:50:49 lcuk, I was on a train Dec 10 22:50:57 lcuk, I had a hole Dec 10 22:51:09 lcuk, i had a phone Dec 10 22:51:57 * lcuk goes watching tv Dec 10 22:51:59 lcuk, hole-phone-sim card-hole-stuck-no sim-no phone Dec 10 23:29:46 Hmm, is there a reason I get Wrong Image format for the uImage included in the dec 07 raw image? Dec 10 23:36:44 still? Dec 10 23:36:57 isn't it related to the mkimage tool used? Dec 10 23:38:00 i think it's related to kernel-power's uboot being retarded Dec 10 23:38:51 possibly, i heard it's broken Dec 10 23:39:06 however i don't really see how oyu could break it Dec 10 23:40:16 i never really thoroughly checked the memory layout used by u-boot and which areas a re actually safe to load stuff Dec 10 23:40:27 i just picked a high number Dec 10 23:41:04 Umm, rotation isn't done by rotating the whole X server? Dec 10 23:41:11