**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 13 02:59:58 2010 Dec 13 05:50:01 Is it possbile to develop on meego netbook directly Dec 13 05:55:51 Jaffa: pong Dec 13 06:01:26 Is it possbile to develop on meego netbook directly Dec 13 06:01:40 harryhe, of course Dec 13 06:14:00 morning Dec 13 06:15:36 dm8tbr: about the images, the release management wants image files to be compressed with .bz2 IIRC. They do not want to use .tar.bz2 because then people would not be able to read logs and see packages lists before uncompressing. Dec 13 06:16:27 Sage__: um so yeah, why is it a tar.bz2 then? Dec 13 06:16:51 oh and huomenta Dec 13 06:20:08 dm8tbr: where? Dec 13 06:20:21 so .tar.bz and .bz2 both together? Dec 13 06:20:35 yes Dec 13 06:20:40 matroska style Dec 13 06:20:49 let me find you the link Dec 13 06:20:53 someone is using a wrong optinos for mic then Dec 13 06:21:05 http://mirrors3.kernel.org/meego/builds/trunk/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32-qemu/meego-netbook-ia32-qemu-1.1.80.9.20101207.1-raw.tar.bz2 Dec 13 06:21:06 it sound like someone is using --package=tar.bz2 with --release Dec 13 06:21:52 they should use --package=tar instead so it does not compress that twice. --release= does automatic .bz2 for images if not separately said otherwise with (--compress-disk-image=none for example) Dec 13 06:23:21 *nod* Dec 13 06:24:11 will you follow up with them or should we file a bug? Dec 13 06:29:27 Let me check one thing first Dec 13 06:30:48 http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/image-configurations/blobs/master/scripts/create.sh <- the problem is in this and I could chaneg it but because I don't know what is reason (if there is one) for double .bz2 I will not do that. Dec 13 06:32:08 I can continue this with the person responsible of that. Dec 13 06:43:46 thp: ping Dec 13 08:12:49 Hi guys, I got a problem to display QT or Xlib based app on my device Dec 13 08:12:58 Stskeeps: For MWKN, why did the h/w adaptation meetings stop? Dec 13 08:13:39 I can run MTF based application, but QT based application seems always transparent Dec 13 08:13:50 Jaffa: long story short: we were doing the majority of our work in the open on the irc channel anyway Dec 13 08:13:52 I am setting up local obs environment, downloaded master image, after unpacking, it is a .raw file, but virtualbox didn't recognize it as disk file Dec 13 08:14:11 Jaffa: but it was appearant again that we lost a synchronisation point when not having it Dec 13 08:15:18 it=meetings in general Dec 13 08:15:47 actually my QT application has run, if I kill the Home and the other app, I can see my QT application normally Dec 13 08:16:24 leo0916: it's Qt. QT = QuickTime :) Dec 13 08:16:33 :) Dec 13 08:16:40 morning Dec 13 08:16:56 Hi thp, what is it? Dec 13 08:17:17 : ( Dec 13 08:17:35 leo0916: the ui toolkit that you use is called Qt, not QT. Dec 13 08:17:45 Stskeeps: Can I quote that (rather than paraphrasing it)? Dec 13 08:18:08 Yes, Qt, correct Dec 13 08:18:24 Jaffa: sure Dec 13 08:18:46 Stskeeps: Ta Dec 13 08:19:24 we have a fairly big size team so things just go lost and sync meetings with status go a long way :P Dec 13 08:19:35 I really puzzled for that MTF can be displayed, but Qt app can not Dec 13 08:21:37 leo0916: have you considered using QML for the ui? Dec 13 08:21:57 yes, QML also has the same problem Dec 13 08:22:13 leo0916: file a bug on bugs.meego.com Dec 13 08:22:24 On my device, only the MTF work fine Dec 13 08:23:02 Xlib based, Qt based, QML application have the same problem Dec 13 08:23:12 what meego version? Dec 13 08:23:26 If I kill the all ui app, my app can be displayed Dec 13 08:28:24 : ( Dec 13 08:29:45 leo0916: file a bug on bugs.meego.com describing the exact version and filename of the meego image you were running Dec 13 08:29:51 leo0916: check what version you're using from /etc/meego-release Dec 13 08:30:48 Ok thp, I will do that Dec 13 08:31:15 MeeGo release 1.1.80 (MeeGo) BUILD: meego-handset-armv7l-beagle-daily Dec 13 08:31:28 Hi timoph, version is 1.1.80 Dec 13 08:31:38 need a more specific version :) Dec 13 08:31:45 you're running on beagle board? Dec 13 08:32:15 yes, devkit8000, same as the beagle board Dec 13 08:32:47 doesn't it display something like this: MeeGo release 1.1.80 (MeeGo) Dec 13 08:32:48 BUILD: meego-n900-autotest-1.1.80.20101212.2301 Dec 13 08:33:08 in the older versions of mcompositor, normal apps were fairly broken Dec 13 08:33:47 Stskeeps I think it should be 1.1.80.6.20101116.1/ Dec 13 08:34:13 that's almost a month old Dec 13 08:35:02 please upgrade Dec 13 08:35:26 I'm just use the old way to update to lastest version, but it seems problem still exist Dec 13 08:35:45 make a new image Dec 13 08:35:47 I update last week, it runs really slow Dec 13 08:35:54 yes, 1.2's like that Dec 13 08:36:09 So I go back to the old version Dec 13 08:36:57 Is there any kernel update? Dec 13 08:38:31 meego-n900-autotest-1.1.80.20101212.2301 may be fix for the N900, not for my device Dec 13 08:38:40 fit for the N900 Dec 13 08:39:23 I meant only to highlight the 1.1.80.20101212.2301 bit from the image Dec 13 08:39:54 that image is created by me for automated testing.. Dec 13 08:43:35 oh, I got it, is there any other suggestion, I can try it Dec 13 08:45:12 you can create a new image or check if there's newer images for beagle available somewhere Dec 13 08:45:20 Hi, I have installed meego sdk in windows xp and my qemu starts from qtcreator IDE, however when i click in the window it grabs the cursor from my desktop, but doesn't move the pointer that shows up in the qemu window Dec 13 08:45:44 any idea to resolve this prob ? Dec 13 08:46:09 ctrl+alt Dec 13 08:46:50 @leo0916: ctrl+alt gets the mouse back to my desktop.. I want the mouse to be moved inside qemu Dec 13 08:47:15 @leo0916: currently the mouse stays at the center of qemu window Dec 13 08:48:40 move mouse into the window and press Dec 13 08:49:26 @leo0916: no help :( Dec 13 08:50:14 I did not meet this problem - _ -! Dec 13 08:51:11 anybody else have faced this prob ? Dec 13 08:53:42 harryhe: I think I wrote that you need to use qemu-img to convert it Dec 13 09:02:23 dm8tbr: thanks Dec 13 09:03:06 and I even linked to its manpage Dec 13 09:03:51 dm8tbr, I saw it, it says "convert to raw file or use qemu-img", I didn't recognize that Dec 13 09:04:10 Unpacking it will give you a raw file to use or convert with qemu-img to fit with your virtualization software. Dec 13 09:05:37 * dm8tbr adds a comma to that sentence Dec 13 09:05:59 :) Dec 13 09:08:12 moin Dec 13 09:09:29 huomenta Myrtti Dec 13 09:10:51 now that I have a camera I've got an urge to go and take pictures, but perhaps I'll just stay indoors and drink tea Dec 13 09:11:31 Myrtti, if you are in Finland, please don't go out Dec 13 09:11:53 daystar just showed up over h-town, should make for some nice pictures. Dec 13 09:12:09 Only if you are frost proof though. Dec 13 09:12:21 dm8tbr: went out yesterday, got some http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/archives/date-posted/2010/12/12/ Dec 13 09:12:35 I ♥ my new camera Dec 13 09:13:09 the pc looks a bit out of place in this set ;) Dec 13 09:13:15 hehe Dec 13 09:13:32 there's also pet rock pictures on Saturday :-D Dec 13 09:15:26 * dm8tbr tries to spot the great tits in the photos Dec 13 09:15:40 dm8tbr: too cold to zoom properly :-P Dec 13 09:16:29 ah, there's one, cuuute Dec 13 09:17:42 some pictures that are titled with the birds undoubtedly have no bird because they flew away too soon Dec 13 09:18:10 or they're behind branches Dec 13 09:21:37 mhhh, that ammount of dust qulifies for overheating Dec 13 09:22:04 at least I've cleaned a laptop once that was constantly 'switching of spontaneously' Dec 13 09:22:26 dm8tbr: the CPU still halts randomly after the cleanup :-/ Dec 13 09:22:49 it's not my work lappy so it's not too important but it would be lovely if it would work without a hitch Dec 13 09:23:23 I'd try to monitor the cpu temperature in real-time. e.g. gkrellm Dec 13 09:29:03 dm8tbr, what's the user/password to login in Suse image? Dec 13 09:30:51 root/opensuse Dec 13 09:31:03 thanks Dec 13 09:32:39 Myrtti, nice ones! Dec 13 09:33:36 Myrtti, I'm proud of this one: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs265.snc4/39598_438003058050_627373050_5179428_4239491_n.jpg Dec 13 09:33:55 winters just aren't for me Dec 13 10:04:38 Hi. If I want to test Meego on a Poulsbo, can I do it with Meego-netbook, or would I have to switch to IVI? Dec 13 10:04:54 ... and why is Ivi further ahead with poulsbo? Dec 13 10:14:03 Anyone got Meego and X11 running on anything CE4100 like? :) Dec 13 10:16:11 people have gotten MeeGo running on GMA500 Dec 13 10:16:19 no idea how tho Dec 13 10:16:42 CosmoHill: dead gots ina fridge and sacrifice of maidens? Dec 13 10:16:46 goats Dec 13 10:20:07 it was possible at some point Dec 13 10:21:01 dneary, hey, last night on the mailing list regarding project naming, you arbritarily removed the ongoing mail from one ML and changed it to another Dec 13 10:21:04 CosmoHill: Going for an IVI trunk image now.. It appears the IVI image from 1.1 has 'NOEMGD' Dec 13 10:21:14 which prevents someone from reading the cache in one chunk! Dec 13 10:21:22 .. which I believe is needed for GMA500 Dec 13 10:21:31 yes Dec 13 10:21:33 i understand offering to other ML, but please don't remove things Dec 13 10:21:44 the EMGD driver is intel's open source GMA500 driver Dec 13 10:22:23 CosmoHill: And this appears only to be in IVI for now, as far as I can see? Dec 13 10:22:31 i think that's right Dec 13 10:22:55 CosmoHill: Allright, thanks. .No need to fool around with the Netbook images then :) Dec 13 10:23:08 GMA500 is an SGX535 IIRC - closed, nda ridden crap :/ Dec 13 10:23:26 that's why intel are making their own driver Dec 13 10:23:35 CosmoHill: emgd != oss Dec 13 10:23:36 :P Dec 13 10:23:44 dammit Dec 13 10:23:48 but it is intel Dec 13 10:23:51 http://edc.intel.com/Software/Downloads/EMGD/#download Drivers from intel Dec 13 10:23:58 True, not OSS it seems Dec 13 10:25:39 But are there any other alternatives? Dec 13 10:35:26 is it the IEGM that is OSS? Dec 13 10:36:50 where did I read about emgd and meego release synchronisation? Dec 13 10:37:00 was it just a comment in here over the weekend? Dec 13 10:37:22 Phornix? There was something about Intel not being able to "release their own driver" with MeeGo Dec 13 10:38:17 Well, the dropdown on the download page lets me choose 'MeeGo 1.0 IVI Linux (Kernel 2.6.33.3, X.server 1.8.0)' so it is against a pretty new kernel Dec 13 10:39:15 http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/latest.log.html#t2010-12-13T02:07:36 Dec 13 10:39:17 it was here Dec 13 10:39:31 very late last night between TSCHAKeee and vgrade Dec 13 10:41:40 lcuk: So EMGD is planed for Meego 1.2? If I read bug 6863 correct? Dec 13 10:41:43 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6863 enh, Undecided, 1.1.80.10, joel.clark, ACCE, [FEA] Integrate EMGD 1.0 update kernel components Dec 13 10:41:56 I seem to be a terminator for that conversation Dec 13 10:41:59 lyager, dont just read the bug Dec 13 10:42:03 vote for it Dec 13 10:42:16 discuss it where you can, shake random intel people and tell them about it and stuff Dec 13 10:42:30 lcuk: Ohh :) Sure.. I guess I thought it was comon sence to put it in Meego? Dec 13 10:42:32 things dont happen without reminders :P Dec 13 10:43:35 lcuk: Sadly no :) Dec 13 10:45:09 theres a lot of devices requiring that driver Dec 13 10:45:57 including the Nokia notebook Dec 13 10:47:04 lcuk: You haven't by chance played around with the driver (ie. getting it to work) :) Dec 13 10:47:26 no lyager, different layer to my work Dec 13 10:47:56 lcuk: 10-4 :) Dec 13 10:48:47 I wonder, why did nokia release a netbook using the GMA500 graphics card 6 months before they announced MeeGo Dec 13 10:49:15 CosmoHill, it runs the OS it was released with Dec 13 10:49:58 and Nokia are big enough that teams working on one OS may not have been aware of the coming crossover with other OSes down the line Dec 13 10:50:32 even if they did, they may not have been aware of the impact the drivers may have on that also Dec 13 10:50:41 CosmoHill: Guess they had to have goals for MeeGo to get somewhere? Dec 13 11:01:49 "8. Diskette: Please include, with your Seminar Paper assignment, a non-virused clearly labelled diskette " Dec 13 11:01:59 that's an odd requirement for my assignment Dec 13 11:02:08 ha-ha Dec 13 11:02:09 :> Dec 13 11:02:25 bring a 5 1/4 floppy Dec 13 11:02:29 I mean 1. did they need to specify that and 2. shouldn't it be "virus-free" ? Dec 13 11:03:00 up until last year we had a 1.44MB floppy disk vending machine in the library Dec 13 11:03:12 Heh Dec 13 11:05:00 heh CosmoHill Dec 13 11:05:01 http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1905900&cid=34519888 Revival of the floppy disk! Dec 13 11:05:19 (on topic: Military Bans Removable Media After WikiLeaks Disclosures) Dec 13 11:05:19 lol Dec 13 11:05:38 whats the best way to install meego as dualboot? Dec 13 11:05:55 abstract3d___, which device flavour? Dec 13 11:05:58 microSD Class 10 or an external HDD connected via microUSB? Dec 13 11:06:02 n900 Dec 13 11:06:03 it's incredibly stupid to allow a computer to have both access to government secrets and a DVD burner Dec 13 11:06:10 lcuk: sorry, n900 :) Dec 13 11:06:55 abstract3d___, plenty of instructions http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#Installing_MeeGo_on_N900 Dec 13 11:08:59 alterego, have you been liaising with MohammadAG btw, afaik he is working towards a maemo uboot upgrade Dec 13 11:09:31 lcuk: sure i know about that. lcuk but it tells lcuk NFS-Root lcuk over usb networking. that i was thinking about is to connect an external HDD (5400rpm or 7.200 rpm) via microUSB which supports usb2.0 speeds Dec 13 11:09:33 lcuk: no, thanks for the heads up, I'll talk to him later Dec 13 11:09:57 ". lcuk but it tells lcuk NFS-Root lcuk over usb networking. " Dec 13 11:10:07 competition for how many times you can ping me per sentence? Dec 13 11:10:45 lcuk: :$ soz, it was an advantage of +2 times :$ Dec 13 11:11:01 Hah Dec 13 11:12:35 i am thinking that microUSB with an WD Passport would be like killing my phone battery. so i am thinking of a 7.200rpm with external power supply of disk, and n900 connected via usb to that. but it will kill battery again because of file-transfers etc Dec 13 11:13:17 abstract3d___, Dec 13 11:13:29 why not just use what other people do and insert a little microsd card? Dec 13 11:13:38 I thought the end game was to get usb charging working at the same time :) Dec 13 11:13:44 Which would be fun. Dec 13 11:13:50 because of it speeds? :$ Dec 13 11:13:51 end game? no way Dec 13 11:13:55 thats just one step alterego Dec 13 11:14:11 i would like my meego device to do a lot more than just sit there charging battery :P Dec 13 11:14:11 Heh, what is the end game then? :) Dec 13 11:14:26 I mean as far as usb host Dec 13 11:14:38 (which wont ever officially be in meego btw) Dec 13 11:14:44 hi Dec 13 11:14:50 usb host is not in the spec, if it were going to come to meego Dec 13 11:15:00 it would come via clean patches being upstreamed to the kernel? Dec 13 11:15:02 so I thought Dec 13 11:15:05 alterego: what won't ever be officially in meego? Dec 13 11:15:10 Ok, unpacking IEMGD drivers for Linux, from a nice Windows executable :/ Dec 13 11:15:12 Venemo_N900, ^^ Dec 13 11:15:18 Venemo_N900: see lcuks statgements Dec 13 11:15:20 it could if someone got the patches into kernel Dec 13 11:15:35 hacks are unlikely to be included upstream. Dec 13 11:15:37 but that would take incredible dedication by the host mode people Dec 13 11:15:47 sorry I'm late from the discussion Dec 13 11:15:57 good morning btw :) Dec 13 11:16:06 you too lcuk :) Dec 13 11:17:04 alterego: whole meego project is a hack :D Dec 13 11:17:21 lol abstract3d___ Dec 13 11:17:29 abstract3d___: no, we're just talking about host mode :P Dec 13 11:17:33 On the N900 Dec 13 11:18:20 it should be included at least in the meego for n900's kernel Dec 13 11:19:29 no Venemo_N900 Dec 13 11:19:42 it needs to work properly first Dec 13 11:19:47 and be cleaned up Dec 13 11:19:53 hm Dec 13 11:19:58 but if its not actually applying the usb spec correctly Dec 13 11:20:02 it cannot be upstreamed Dec 13 11:20:03 so, i will buy a cheap mobile phone for about 40$ to be sure that i won't lost any phonecall or sms etc and i will use my n900 as slave and development/testing platform Dec 13 11:20:03 yeah Dec 13 11:20:13 and so cannot be included Dec 13 11:20:22 I like the fact Dexter has an N98 Dec 13 11:20:24 ~N8 Dec 13 11:20:44 also TRON include a N8 device iirc Dec 13 11:20:47 isn't dexter a hacker? Dec 13 11:21:08 abstract3d___: yup - they've been doing a biiig push about the n8 and the tron involvement :) Dec 13 11:21:56 * lcuk is enjoying increased nipple sensitivity Dec 13 11:22:56 for all you dirty minded people, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint Dec 13 11:24:42 smeegol (meego suse edition) will use meego core? Dec 13 11:25:03 it doesn't, it's based on opensuse Dec 13 11:25:08 in fact, it's not meego :P Dec 13 11:25:16 and suse meego is something different Dec 13 11:25:42 so what the f**k :$ Dec 13 11:25:54 what they are trying to do? Dec 13 11:26:05 they're putting the netbook ux on top of opensuse basically Dec 13 11:26:15 aha Dec 13 11:26:56 i can see, maemo 6 (not based on meego core but on meego ~generally~) smeegol and i am waiting more like that Dec 13 11:27:28 and i am wondering if that is good for building a solid community, or it will destroy everything Dec 13 11:27:33 well Dec 13 11:28:00 i think there's more damage to having multiple things based on various things that's called meego but is in fact not based on meego core Dec 13 11:28:49 if you want to call anything meego, it has to be meego compliant Dec 13 11:28:50 :P Dec 13 11:29:02 Stskeeps: +1 Dec 13 11:29:28 smeegol got denied using meego name, so Dec 13 11:29:36 it is a trademark afterall Dec 13 11:29:42 "net start kqemu" disables mouse movement in qemu (in windows), any idea why it happens ? .. If i stop kqemu, then poweron emulator, the mouse pointer moves eventhough the homescreen UI doesnt appear. Dec 13 11:29:57 it's stupid to serve "meego" distros if it's not using meego-core Dec 13 11:30:04 agreed Dec 13 11:30:26 also nokia has to understand this one. and after that community will grow more and more Dec 13 11:30:27 which is why a number of things got denied the use of the trademark :P Dec 13 11:30:32 lcuk, I just tied it with kernel-power Dec 13 11:30:40 nokia understands it but the timing for meego was really off.. Dec 13 11:30:40 :P Dec 13 11:31:07 meego api apps should work on top of m6 though Dec 13 11:31:09 now, what parts of the meego website don't use the single signon password? Dec 13 11:31:24 * Myrtti wasn't on the gawker list but is changing her passwords all the same Dec 13 11:31:40 dunno, if you have hundreds of suse installations it is probably easier to manage laptops with "meego ux on suse" rather than build everything from scratch... Dec 13 11:32:03 rauli: yeah, but it isn't meego or shouldn't be confused with that :P Dec 13 11:32:07 rauli: thats not a meego distro Dec 13 11:32:10 +and Dec 13 11:32:20 meego ux is like KDE Dec 13 11:36:39 also, KDEteams want to participate in meego project. but i am thinking that it would be better to create a solid KDE environment with less bugs. kde is like running on the road, and it's alone. it's better than gnome but it tries to serve more apps and features but it also serves more bugs and problems.. Dec 13 11:37:14 how well does kde work on handset itself? Dec 13 11:40:59 g2g, bb all Dec 13 11:48:31 this should work on meego right? http://i53.tinypic.com/qqtv6s.jpg :) Dec 13 11:48:52 MohammadAG, I dont see how since that is maemo :P Dec 13 11:49:22 lcuk, it's in Qt Dec 13 11:50:18 MohammadAG: only if the API it uses is present in MeeGo Dec 13 11:50:53 Venemo_N900, it's generic Qt Dec 13 11:51:17 MohammadAG, then sure you can make a list of a few buttons Dec 13 11:51:29 but how it ties in with the OS is presumably what you were asking Dec 13 11:52:10 lcuk, surely there's a dbus launcher in meego Dec 13 11:52:16 MohammadAG: then my guess is yes Dec 13 11:52:42 MohammadAG, its not the launcher part Dec 13 11:52:54 its how it fits with the desktop Dec 13 11:53:42 lcuk, it's not handled by the window manager, at all Dec 13 12:15:30 anyone here? Dec 13 12:15:39 depending on definition Dec 13 12:15:49 understood Dec 13 13:16:31 hi people Dec 13 13:16:48 hi Dec 13 13:17:22 this is the meego chat right? Dec 13 13:17:37 pretty much Dec 13 13:18:21 did anybody succeed in installing meego 1.1 in virtualbox? Dec 13 13:18:27 i could install 1.0 Dec 13 13:18:30 but not 1.1 Dec 13 13:19:56 ? Dec 13 13:20:30 * Stskeeps hasn't Dec 13 13:20:59 i see Dec 13 13:21:16 can I instal lmeego on my notebook? Dec 13 13:21:19 my laptop? Dec 13 13:21:22 its a dell vostro? Dec 13 13:23:18 http://wiki.meego.com/Devices Dec 13 13:24:55 thanks andre Dec 13 13:24:58 let me see Dec 13 14:08:40 * Mek wonders how OBS decides to order scheduled builds, as somehow my packages get built before a whole lot of other packages that have been scheduled for a long time before I pushed these new sources... Dec 13 14:09:18 Mek: I updated MeeGo:current today. Dec 13 14:09:39 Mek: it is... not deterministic ;) Dec 13 14:09:40 Mek: So everything which builds against that is obviously triggered. Dec 13 15:21:19 Stskeeps: you play open ttd right? Dec 13 15:21:41 not as often anymore Dec 13 15:21:57 now it's mostly alien arena to take out agressions ;) Dec 13 15:22:37 you can't really take out your aggression on a transport system Dec 13 15:22:54 SimCity is better on that regard :) Dec 13 15:23:17 I like making awesome train networks Dec 13 15:24:00 CosmoHill, I think what Stskeeps is actually saying when he says take out aggressions is - shoot people in the head Dec 13 15:24:02 ... virtually Dec 13 15:26:26 I heard Intel staff play a lot of Alien Arena Dec 13 15:26:30 Pu pu Dec 13 15:26:33 Joking :p Dec 13 15:30:06 CosmoHill, Syndicate had trams and lots of aggression removal :P Dec 13 15:30:17 \\ Dec 13 15:31:55 lcuk: agression removal in trams is socially excusable, while it is frouned upon in cars Dec 13 15:32:11 frowned upon even Dec 13 15:32:39 berndhs, IRL its not excusable anyway Dec 13 15:32:59 and for driving games, I find a decent f1 simulator and driving the opposite way to be an amusing mechanism Dec 13 15:33:06 its not? oh man Dec 13 15:36:09 driving the wrong way is an experiment in turbulent particle flow Dec 13 15:36:42 * lcuk knows all about that :) Dec 13 15:40:00 hi. is someone here involved in the packaging of the meego sdk? Dec 13 15:41:49 andre: -> #meego-sdk Dec 13 15:41:57 andre: i'd usually try earlier hours though Dec 13 15:41:58 Stskeeps: thanks ;-) Dec 13 15:43:07 Stskeeps: as in "South Asian business hours"? Dec 13 15:43:13 well Dec 13 15:43:16 finnish helps too Dec 13 15:43:21 the combination of those :) Dec 13 15:43:25 ok Dec 13 17:36:18 Hi alls, anyone experienced meego doing nothing on an n900? for some strange reason it is not recognising touch input (Fresh install, worked fine this morning), but after a reboot, back to maemo etc... i've started looking at it again tonight, but touch is doing nothing. Dec 13 17:38:19 hi, all, quick question: where is the meego app distribution/packaging guide? Dec 13 17:40:04 unclewerner, ask the people that are involved in the community porting Dec 13 17:40:07 and ITP list stuff Dec 13 17:40:16 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP Dec 13 17:40:26 to writeup some notes around ease of starting :) Dec 13 17:40:42 but obviously it involves OBS stuff and thats already documented Dec 13 17:41:02 but from an "already got applications and wanting to bring them over" is a useful case Dec 13 17:41:06 lcuk: thx, for the link Dec 13 18:24:43 How come Qt Creator is in the handset image for the qemu runtime :D Dec 13 18:35:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ia49TKfblM Dec 13 19:48:59 Possible Koln meet this week http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2189 Dec 13 20:12:29 sweet, new personal best for uptime :) Dec 13 20:38:13 CosmoHill, regular people need to sleep. Dec 13 20:38:20 if your uptime is over 24hours, go get some ;) Dec 13 20:38:41 I get ple...oh you mean sleep? Dec 13 20:39:02 :P Dec 13 20:41:45 BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys Dec 13 20:41:49 Any idea? Dec 13 20:42:21 I'd imagine it would be something about the GPG keys and a lack of them Dec 13 20:42:28 lol Dec 13 20:42:33 :) Dec 13 20:42:52 kp lol Dec 13 20:42:53 yeah but I dnt undestand what GPG keys its talking about Dec 13 20:42:57 number of people have had same issue Dec 13 20:42:58 http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/search?q=GPG Dec 13 20:43:24 but I cannot recall how it was solved, perhaps you could dig and we can add to a FAQ/factoid about it Dec 13 20:44:20 Thanks .. Dec 13 21:11:55 Has anyone managed to successfully build a madde sysroot for armv7l using mic-image-creator? Dec 13 21:56:29 X-Fade, lbt_away: so... what's the plan w.r.t. packages being SR'd from home:* projects to MeeGo:current:Extras? Dec 13 21:57:24 I find it hard to believe I'm still the only one with an SR still... yet there's been no movement on it (accepted/rejected) for two weeks now Dec 13 21:58:37 and related... is there (or will there be) a ML for commits (SR's) and any ensuing debates, like there is for build.meego.com? Dec 13 22:05:22 sabotage: I'm thinking that they are both most likely asleep :) Dec 13 22:06:20 * alterego tries to build a core Dec 13 22:08:45 DawnFoster: nod, but they also (I'm hoping) check the backlog ;) Dec 13 22:09:28 sabotage: I have no doubt that they'll see the pings when they wake up (just like I do with stuff from them while I'm sleeping) :) Dec 13 22:16:00 Great, can't even build a core madde sysroot Dec 13 22:17:12 time for some debugging I guess .. Dec 13 22:25:11 Wow, the mic log is really rubbish .. Dec 13 22:25:19 It misses all of the stderr output. Dec 13 22:26:54 file-a-bug? :) Dec 13 22:28:12 I'm more concerned as to why I can't build a madde sysroot :/ Dec 13 22:28:29 Even in verbose the exception generated seems pointless. Dec 13 22:30:31 This is with -verbose: http://www.pastie.org/1374461 Dec 13 22:30:39 Trying to build a core madde sysroot Dec 13 22:30:50 Using daily. Dec 13 22:31:53 Do you, per chance, want to see if you can build one dm8tbr ? :) Dec 13 22:32:28 alterego: I'm about to fall asleep. you could poke me tomorrow morning :) Dec 13 22:32:39 Cool, Dec 13 22:32:46 Have a good night :) Dec 13 22:33:39 I tried meego on a laptop a while ago.... and at the time there were issues with the i7 procs.. has that been fixed? Dec 13 22:34:02 i7 should never have issues Dec 13 22:35:05 csgeek: what graphics card do you havve? Dec 13 22:35:57 nvidia something or other.. I forget the exact model Dec 13 22:36:03 that is the issue Dec 13 22:36:07 not your CPU, it's your GPU Dec 13 22:36:08 that would be your problem Dec 13 22:37:26 GeoForce 320M according to nvidia-settings Dec 13 22:37:52 it's the nvidia part that is the problem Dec 13 22:37:59 meego doesn't support nvidia drivers? Dec 13 22:38:08 nope, not yet Dec 13 22:38:08 the other way around Dec 13 22:38:18 nvidia drivers don't support the GL requirements that MeeGo has Dec 13 22:38:37 Nvidia also don't plan to support wayland Dec 13 22:38:40 hmmm... so ATI/Intel is okay though? Dec 13 22:38:46 no Dec 13 22:38:48 just Intel Dec 13 22:38:52 Intel (non GMA500) Dec 13 22:39:52 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt Dec 13 22:39:53 hmmm.. that's too bad.. I was hoping it'd be more universal... Dec 13 22:40:24 CosmoHill, :) Dec 13 22:42:56 lcuk: I have to get some things right :) Dec 13 22:43:17 lcuk: do you have mic setup on your system? Dec 13 22:49:29 Error Message: "IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor" Dec 13 22:49:29 Cause: mic-image-creator does not work on Debian Dec 13 22:49:30 Fix: Use Ubuntu Dec 13 22:50:00 That makes me angry Dec 13 22:50:22 Would be nice to have a bit more information rather than "does not work on Debian" because I'm bloody using ubuntu :/ Dec 13 22:53:58 alterego: ha I caught one, an ubuntu user :) Dec 13 22:54:36 alterego: tell me, how do I get my launchpad ppa to accept packages for a different "series" :) Dec 13 22:59:34 berndhs: not sure what you mean :P Dec 13 23:00:02 berndhs: what are you actually trying to do? Dec 13 23:00:09 i make soem debs and put them in a launchpad.net repo, called a "PPA" Dec 13 23:00:19 I have some packages for lucid Dec 13 23:00:31 and now truying to put them there for maverick Dec 13 23:00:43 and it wont let me Dec 13 23:01:45 i asked in #ubuntu, and they just ignore me over there Dec 13 23:02:27 evening Dec 13 23:04:16 berndhs: sorry, not got any experience with personal repos on ubuntu, well, except using them :) Dec 13 23:04:36 alterego: that's all right Dec 13 23:05:21 I wish they had stats on them, so I could tell if anyone uses mine Dec 13 23:05:33 Heh Dec 13 23:06:28 Well, used the latest mic out of gitorious, completely different error :D Dec 13 23:27:56 berndhs: try asking in #ubuntu-motu instead of the generic noob-help channel... Dec 13 23:28:17 Hopefully I have a working sysroot now, but pressing CTRL+C before it had the opportunity to die and cleanup :) Dec 13 23:28:36 or maybe #launchpad Dec 13 23:28:44 if you're building rpms you can tell rpmbuild to not clean up afterwards Dec 13 23:31:01 ali1234: thanks Dec 14 00:03:05 what is actually an FEA? Dec 14 00:03:10 e.g. the exact acronym Dec 14 00:03:31 FEAture Dec 14 00:04:26 andrei1089: ? Dec 14 00:04:28 err Dec 14 00:04:32 andyross: you sure? Dec 14 00:04:47 not Feature Enhancement Addition? Dec 14 00:06:07 Fragile Elephant Appendage? No idea. I thought you were just asking what it meant, but you apparently already knew. :) Dec 14 00:10:41 hey auke Dec 14 00:13:16 andyross: Well, I am not sure this is the acronym, I want to make sure :) Dec 14 00:13:22 andyross: thanks for the suggestion anyhoo Dec 14 00:18:31 hi folks Dec 14 00:34:27 hey auke Dec 14 00:40:13 by Dec 14 00:40:14 bye Dec 14 02:27:03 morning Dec 14 02:42:52 hi, guys, who knows how use rsync behind a http proxy? Dec 14 02:52:41 who knows how use rsync behind a http proxy? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 14 02:59:57 2010