**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 16 02:59:57 2010 Dec 16 03:38:33 hi. Dec 16 04:20:48 hello. Dec 16 04:21:02 How can I hide the mouse cursor on MeeGo Handset? Dec 16 04:24:58 my understanding is that it is only briefly displayed during startup Dec 16 04:27:50 it seems to be always visible for me Dec 16 04:28:36 and this is running on a N900? Dec 16 04:38:14 nop, netbook/tablet Dec 16 04:45:01 nice... google tells me there are some ways people generally do this in linux Dec 16 04:55:21 beford: this may be related http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=13548&highlight=mouse+cursor#post13548 Dec 16 04:56:19 thanks let me see Dec 16 06:25:48 hello Dec 16 06:26:01 morning Dec 16 06:31:42 I'm trying to compile the latest release src rpms as armv5 on my own OBS. It's working well with single rpms (w/o dependency). But not for the whole src rpms, 82 rpms are going to 'unresolvable', 2 for broken, 44 for excluded and it's repeating to start over again after 8 of succeeded rpms. Anybody has tried this work?? Dec 16 06:34:29 those which are unresolvable should display a "nothing provides FOO" message for each missing dependency; resolve those by adding the required packages to repo and you're set Dec 16 06:36:42 JunJi: you're pretty much doing a bootstrap as we moved on to a new compiler, so starting over is OK Dec 16 06:39:20 hmm.. but when I type dmesg, it's saying that I had a few of segfault and the times are very similar to the points it restarted. Dec 16 06:40:28 got things set up properly, like vdso disabled etc? Dec 16 06:40:33 Stskeeps: you mean that the starting over is generally happening to finish this work?? Dec 16 06:40:44 yes, it's normal Dec 16 06:40:45 . Dec 16 06:40:50 aha.. Dec 16 06:40:58 there's a build cycle at some base packages, we saw that when porting to hardfp Dec 16 06:41:26 I've got Androis but prefer Debian. Dec 16 06:41:36 ok,, so it's building same things again and again when it needs Dec 16 06:41:56 Where's the howto for Dell Streak Dec 16 06:42:21 then, how many starting over does it need? do you remember?? Dec 16 06:42:32 JunJi: basically it's triggering a rebuild if the package changed to those that depends on it Dec 16 06:43:16 yes, that's right but I'm afraid that the rpm is 1138 and if that means it will restart 1138 times.. Dec 16 06:43:17 JunJi: it'll take a bit, let it chew - a rebuild for armv5 isn't a fast process initially :) Dec 16 06:43:36 right. very slow in my virtual box Dec 16 06:43:56 it isn't very fast on real hardware either :) Dec 16 06:44:33 so could I just ignore the segfault messages from the dmesg and have more patient until it gets done? Dec 16 06:44:41 *hint* ccache *hint* distcc/icecream Dec 16 06:45:00 JunJi: pretty much - what kind of segfault messagesa re you getting? Dec 16 06:45:21 qt for armv7 takes around 80h in single worker :) Dec 16 06:45:37 readelf[xxxx] : segfault at llcf ip b76bbf09 sp bfffdlac error 4 in libc-2.11.90.so[b87xxx-xxx] Dec 16 06:45:56 (and something like 9h on mx51, iirc) Dec 16 06:46:31 JunJi: what kind of processor are your compiling on? Dec 16 06:46:56 just an usual intel x86 process :) Dec 16 06:47:28 SSSE3 or non-SSSE3? Dec 16 06:47:34 SSSE3 Dec 16 06:47:46 it's a kind of new Dec 16 06:47:52 ok Dec 16 06:48:45 brb breakfast Dec 16 06:49:07 How governments behave is controlled by the people. They're scared as shitless. As ever in histrory. The most powerfull are being killed. Dec 16 06:49:31 dfhsd: please keep politics out of here, this is a work channel Dec 16 06:50:30 so while it's rebuilding rpms, the things in the 'unresolvable' or 'broken', 'excluded' are supposed to be corrected, is it right? because the source rpm from the meego mirrors shouldn't have any missing dependency problems. Dec 16 06:51:28 it'll be corrected over time Dec 16 06:51:33 broken is usually a problem though Dec 16 06:51:37 excluded is OK Dec 16 06:51:50 awesome thank you so much for your help always, Stskeeps. Dec 16 06:53:00 now i need some more coffee Dec 16 06:53:01 :P Dec 16 07:06:13 AN AUSTRALIAN online electronics retailer has launched what he calls the business world's answer to WikiLeaks. Dec 16 07:06:13 The site, Tradeleaks.com, allows internet users to post documents and tip-offs about dodgy business practices anonymously. Dec 16 07:06:19 How to go for a meego community OBS account? Dec 16 07:07:21 as far as I know we should talk to lbt, x-fade but I coudln't have a chance so far Dec 16 07:08:28 I talked about the obs in private level. (there are two meego obs I guess) :) Dec 16 07:31:19 As all we know, meego can be for phone, netbook, tv, vehicle.. etc, which area do you think MeeGo will be competitive? Dec 16 07:31:55 all of them! :) Dec 16 07:32:19 sure I hope too :) but the most competitive? Dec 16 07:33:56 I'm only working for phones so wondering other areas Dec 16 07:34:36 i think it's a pretty compelling phone platform too, or even tablet Dec 16 07:36:43 I like the nScreen concept so really hope MeeGo to get the tv, vehicles first before google expands Android for them.. (or by other platform..) Dec 16 07:37:25 QML should make tv interfaces really easy to make at least Dec 16 07:37:37 agree Dec 16 07:37:46 i've seem really shameful user interfaces on high end stb's Dec 16 07:38:14 what's the stb? Dec 16 07:38:30 I've yet to see a good ui on any set-top box Dec 16 07:38:48 set top boxes Dec 16 07:38:56 or media centres, for that sake Dec 16 07:40:03 I've been trying to be doubleplusgood so the wife would agree to me rolling my own once the current dvr dies Dec 16 07:40:31 really true.. I used a number of set top boxes during many countries but all they were really confusing, slow Dec 16 07:44:33 does the Encript data option require the /home to be on a different partition? Dec 16 07:44:45 (during the firstboot execution) Dec 16 08:50:06 fuck you bitches meego sucks big time Dec 16 08:50:18 r2ev: so what don't you like about it? Dec 16 08:50:18 :P Dec 16 08:51:15 r2ev: so what don't you like about it? Dec 16 08:51:21 sorry for the previous update, it was a spam by one of my friends. Dec 16 08:51:45 riight Dec 16 08:51:45 :P Dec 16 08:52:10 Stskeeps: :) Dec 16 09:03:09 Hello @all Dec 16 09:03:28 hello Dec 16 09:03:33 yo Dec 16 09:03:38 I love Meego, except that my 3g modem does not work Dec 16 09:05:11 I notice that there is already an /dev/ttyACM0 device. So the meego kernel already finds my 3g modem. Dec 16 09:05:54 but connman/ofono does not recognice it Dec 16 09:07:09 May someone help me Dec 16 09:07:23 I found /lib/udev/rules.d/97-ofono.rules Dec 16 09:07:41 But I don"t know how to edit it correctly Dec 16 09:07:47 chris81: trying your luck on forums might work Dec 16 09:09:01 http://ofono.org/community tells me to use #ofono or ofono@ofono.org Dec 16 09:09:23 maybe I should use the meego forum Dec 16 09:09:24 forum.meego.com possibly too Dec 16 09:09:33 be sure to give enough info Dec 16 09:09:34 chris81: what 3g modem? Dec 16 09:09:57 The Internal one of my netbook Samsung NC10 Dec 16 09:10:19 lsusb tells me ID 04e8:6773 Dec 16 09:11:09 97-ofono.rules does not list it. Dec 16 09:12:10 Its manufactor is apparently Samsung itself Dec 16 09:12:40 * Sage tries to find the ofono.rules file from ofono git Dec 16 09:13:57 I already installed the latest release of ofono/connman Dec 16 09:14:29 I doubt that in git there is an rulkes that fits but I"ll try it Dec 16 09:15:01 ATTRS{idVendor}="04e8" ATTRS{idProduct}="6773" ENV{OFONO_DRIVER}="at" <- maybe this? Dec 16 09:15:11 adding that to the ofono.rules that is Dec 16 09:15:56 Wow Dec 16 09:16:22 I tried Dec 16 09:16:27 I try it now Dec 16 09:16:29 so whats the way to get any os runnig the gma500 sort of fine ??? Dec 16 09:17:13 Does I matter where I add the rule? Dec 16 09:17:27 I would add that to then end but I guess not. Dec 16 09:17:50 Because there are those labels und some sort of goto-commands Dec 16 09:20:59 I yesterday I tried editing the ofono.rules, but I didn"t knew the correct driver I used mbm or atgen Dec 16 09:21:21 well atgen or at or what ever it is is the generic one Dec 16 09:22:06 then there are some vendor specific drivers Dec 16 09:22:21 on worst case the modem in your nc10 requires a new driver implementation :/ Dec 16 09:24:00 "at" seems wrong now the whole connman does not see any device Dec 16 09:24:31 As far as I know nc10 modem speaks AT except for two commands or so Dec 16 09:32:22 do you know where I can get a list of all drivers names? Dec 16 09:33:46 AFAIK these are those, not sure about the exact names though: http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/ofono.git;a=tree;f=drivers;h=f144f1256d8a082fb5d3474f2b6abe9e80c2db4f;hb=HEAD Dec 16 09:36:58 \ Dec 16 09:39:07 chris81: you did reload the udev rules and replug the device after the change? Dec 16 09:39:59 I rebooted Dec 16 09:40:19 I switch off and on Dec 16 09:41:12 ok Dec 16 09:42:27 I'd consider taking this to a ofono mailinglist then Dec 16 10:06:03 Can anyone tell me how to catch orientation change with Qt when you turn a MeeGo handset? Dec 16 10:43:59 vgrade: I see you have done work on getting Meego on GMA500, but the Wiki i found doesn't work after Meego droppede the EMGD drivers. Dec 16 10:44:23 vgrade: Trying to boot any Meego kernel from my system just hangs Redboot straight away.. Dec 16 10:46:58 vgrade: Thought you might be able to help? Dec 16 11:02:07 Hello @all Dec 16 11:02:19 I want to activate my modem with ofono Dec 16 11:03:20 I just managed to see my modem see listed by the ofono script list-modem but connman does not seem to find it Dec 16 11:57:01 hi Dec 16 11:57:53 hi xMolatzen_dux Dec 16 12:36:17 anyone here? Dec 16 12:37:08 yeah Dec 16 12:37:11 I'm here Dec 16 12:37:21 just about Dec 16 12:40:05 barely Dec 16 13:02:28 hi everyone, i've a mobile LGS290, can i install meego OS? Dec 16 13:04:11 gnugr, flip it around Dec 16 13:04:23 have you looked to see if its listed on the devices list? Dec 16 13:04:42 have you any idea why it should work? heard rumours from others about it etc? Dec 16 13:04:46 show me where Dec 16 13:05:12 http://wiki.meego.com/Devices Dec 16 13:05:14 firstly Dec 16 13:05:22 okay m8 ty Dec 16 13:45:11 timeless_mbp: ping Dec 16 13:45:26 pong Dec 16 13:45:55 * timeless_mbp grumbles Dec 16 13:45:57 they banned me? Dec 16 13:46:28 "they"? Dec 16 13:46:50 timeless_mbp: looks like chanser is set up wrong there Dec 16 13:46:57 leinir: tekojo knows Dec 16 13:47:09 right :) Dec 16 13:47:26 anyway, to get mxr in you need to open a bug at http://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=General%20Requests Dec 16 13:47:33 and describe the need Dec 16 13:48:03 more what you need exactly.. Dec 16 13:48:30 Disk space, typical load are most interesting for planning. Dec 16 13:52:29 hi Dec 16 13:52:31 prasanna left for the day? Dec 16 14:45:17 Hi! Dec 16 14:45:48 I was thinking about installing Meego on my Kendo.........all I need is a USB-stick? Dec 16 14:54:26 * andre__ wonders what a Kendo is Dec 16 15:01:05 * lardman too Dec 16 15:01:42 how to select data bearer as data call in symbian s60 v5 mobiles? eg nokia 5230 Dec 16 15:03:25 not really a symbian kernel sorry :) Dec 16 15:03:54 where is symbian karnel....plz help Dec 16 15:04:34 err.. symbian channel, i mean Dec 16 15:04:42 i'd ask google, personally Dec 16 15:07:55 Me too, dunno why you chose this channel simon34 Dec 16 15:08:34 He may have been asking about symbian charnel though Dec 16 15:09:05 There's a symbian channel?!?!? :D Dec 16 15:09:08 others refereed me to come here Dec 16 15:09:16 they were fooling with you Dec 16 15:09:49 Maybe #qt-mobility ... Dec 16 15:09:59 simon34: try #symbian here or #symbian.dev at irc.efnet.net. Dec 16 15:10:07 here meaning freenode Dec 16 15:12:47 simon34: but finding actual symbian devs in IRC might be bit of a needle-in-a-haystack process : D Dec 16 15:14:06 Yeah, Dec 16 15:19:59 isn't there #qt-symbian? Dec 16 15:20:23 oh, symbian kernel Dec 16 15:20:32 I thought all sources are going down tomorrow Dec 16 16:18:06 groan Dec 16 16:18:16 "I farted on a crowed lift today" Dec 16 16:18:23 "it was wrong on so many levels." Dec 16 16:18:54 like spelling? Dec 16 16:19:20 sp3000, shhh :P Dec 16 16:19:33 crowded then :P Dec 16 16:19:47 i blame my keyboard Dec 16 16:20:46 it's wrong on so many levels Dec 16 16:20:51 PC_FN_LEVEL2 included Dec 16 16:23:33 lcuk: did you hear the joke about rock climbing? Dec 16 16:24:04 no CosmoHill? Dec 16 16:25:07 no wonder you PMed that CosmoHill Dec 16 16:25:15 it was the same guy Dec 16 16:25:27 the same guy as? Dec 16 16:25:37 the one who told the joke about the lift Dec 16 16:25:51 he did both those jokes on live at the appollo Dec 16 16:26:02 :D Dec 16 16:26:05 * MohammadAG needs help with kernel sources Dec 16 16:26:13 ahhh CosmoHill I got a txt from eldest Dec 16 16:26:26 MohammadAG, I think you might be able to find a guy who can help Dec 16 16:26:27 I got the kernel to build, and it boots fine, but shouldn't the exact same patches produce the same kernel distributed? Dec 16 16:26:34 I think hes called Linus or something :P Dec 16 16:26:56 lcuk, we had an argument over C and C++, apparently, he hates C++ Dec 16 16:27:10 MohammadAG, if you have same source + same buildoptions + same toolchain, then yes Dec 16 16:27:16 what is he, a mozbot? Dec 16 16:27:51 lcuk, another thing that puzzles me, why do the patches fail to apply against 2.6.35.3 when that's the kernel being distributed? Dec 16 16:28:34 MohammadAG, ok, firstly, is it operator error. Dec 16 16:29:09 be specific and show which sources you are working from and where the binaries you are comparing against are Dec 16 16:29:42 what are you breaking again? Dec 16 16:29:42 :P Dec 16 16:29:42 probably wrong fuzz level Dec 16 16:29:54 you see, with RPMs, the patches do not have to cleanly apply to the source Dec 16 16:29:55 and what source Dec 16 16:30:09 and each distro uses a different fuzz level to make things extra confusing Dec 16 16:30:19 so you wont actually see the fuzz level specified in the RPM Dec 16 16:30:21 um, sure, patches are from http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source/blobs/master/kernel-n900.spec#line442 till the end of the N900 section Dec 16 16:30:28 you have to do research to find out what it is, and then manually specify it Dec 16 16:30:32 kernel is a vanilla source from kernel.org Dec 16 16:30:43 MohammadAG: ah, give up on that git tree, i plan to have a bug filed to remove it Dec 16 16:30:53 hm? Dec 16 16:31:04 Stskeeps, well, that's not exactly stated there is it :P Dec 16 16:31:10 no, but it should Dec 16 16:31:18 so where do I get the sources? Dec 16 16:31:19 it's put there by a bot and the bot is broken Dec 16 16:31:26 ali1234, I'm using quilt Dec 16 16:31:29 you rpm2cpio *.src.rpm | cpio -id the source rpm Dec 16 16:31:41 err, what? Dec 16 16:31:48 where's the .src.rpm then? Dec 16 16:31:58 on the sources section of a given release? Dec 16 16:32:00 but where is the tracking history kept if not in git? Dec 16 16:32:23 Stskeeps, so.. it's not on git then... Dec 16 16:32:25 lcuk: OBS and seen on meego-commits Dec 16 16:32:42 quilt won't save you unless you use the exact correct RPM version on the exact operating system, because fuzz level lives in some arcane RPM config file (or possibly and environmental variable) Dec 16 16:32:57 MohammadAG: i think it's idiotic myself but so it goes.. Dec 16 16:33:14 Stskeeps, so, git the application written by the kernel god himself to manage updates to his kernel is not actively tracking kernel developement over here on meego anymore? Dec 16 16:33:41 lcuk: we're not doing kernel development, we're doing kernel packaging Dec 16 16:33:42 :P Dec 16 16:33:54 kernel development should go in upstream Dec 16 16:34:52 only package I see related to kernels is this http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.10.20101214.1/handset/repos/source/rar-kernel-headers-0.0.1-2.2.src.rpm Dec 16 16:34:53 or put another way, if you're porting the kernel to a new board, meego is not a good distro to test your work, because it's too complicated to package the kernel for it Dec 16 16:35:38 MohammadAG: core/ Dec 16 16:36:40 Stskeeps, so upstream == lkml? Dec 16 16:36:52 linux tree Dec 16 16:37:18 I suppose this is the one then? http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.10.20101214.1/core/repos/source/kernel-2.6.35.3-13.5.src.rpm Dec 16 16:37:33 right Dec 16 16:37:43 bug 11423 submitted Dec 16 16:37:46 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11423 nor, Undecided, ---, yong.y.wang, NEW, Git repository http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source is very often broken and shoul Dec 16 16:38:03 so I wasted a week trying to get a kernel working and it's because it wasn't documented, nice Dec 16 16:38:26 Stskeeps, can't you put a comment on the git source or something? Dec 16 16:38:32 would it have worked if the bot had been pushing latest changes to core kernel back into gitorious? Dec 16 16:38:56 MohammadAG: what do i look like, an admin? Dec 16 16:38:56 :P Dec 16 16:39:03 ie, simplest option to allow people to hack from gitorious if they feel most comfortable using git Dec 16 16:39:29 Stskeeps, no, the N900 adaptation ___________ <-- forgot the word Dec 16 16:39:46 lcuk: except if you went to look at the source, what's stored there is the package itself, not the unfolded kernel. Dec 16 16:39:47 distmaster? :P Dec 16 16:40:02 what? *points at cloak* Dec 16 16:40:11 ali1234: ERR re fuzz level Dec 16 16:40:14 that totally sucks Dec 16 16:40:31 ali1234: so um, how do i find the fuzz level? Dec 16 16:40:36 timeless_mbp: rpmrc usually or macros Dec 16 16:40:55 Stskeeps, funny thing is, arjan told me to use the git page :/ Dec 16 16:40:58 right Dec 16 16:41:09 if it was up to me i would enforce fuzz level = 0 everywhere Dec 16 16:41:11 this is such a mess Dec 16 16:41:14 MohammadAG: in what bizarre universe? Dec 16 16:41:15 :P Dec 16 16:41:32 Dec 16 00:44:45 MohammadAG: fwiw the meego kernel package is also just a quilt patch series Dec 16 16:41:32 Dec 16 00:45:57 arjan, are we looking at the same sources? Dec 16 16:41:32 Dec 16 01:12:33 MohammadAG: if you're talking abuot the meego kernel yeah then very likely we're looking at the same stuff Dec 16 16:41:52 MohammadAG: i think he meant the source package, not that place :) Dec 16 16:42:03 * MohammadAG stabs a trout Dec 16 16:42:09 yay packaging Dec 16 16:42:12 MohammadAG: i got hit by this problem too, hence me filing this problem Dec 16 16:42:19 Stskeeps, is there any way to mount the .raw file? Dec 16 16:42:24 MohammadAG: kpartx Dec 16 16:42:32 ali1234: the packaging isn't the problem, the problem is that some bot was sending broken patches to git :) Dec 16 16:42:34 starts with k, kde? Dec 16 16:42:46 MohammadAG: no, just like kill isn't a kde tool Dec 16 16:43:00 Stskeeps: so fix the bot, don't force people to use the annoying srpm Dec 16 16:43:03 or not Dec 16 16:43:42 Stskeeps, thanks Dec 16 16:46:46 MohammadAG: what are you actually trying to do with the source anyway? Dec 16 16:47:00 Stskeeps, lol Dec 16 16:47:12 what? Dec 16 16:47:12 :P Dec 16 16:47:18 Stskeeps / ali1234 : is there a certain package that is known to have the rpmrc/rpmmacros that i want? Dec 16 16:47:19 i Dec 16 16:47:20 .e. Dec 16 16:47:30 timeless_mbp: rpm + meego-rpm-config usually Dec 16 16:47:43 if i were to try to do this stuff properly, should i bootstrap by grabbing those packages first and grabbing bits from them? Dec 16 16:47:55 ali1234, editing CMDLINE so I don't have to use flasher-3.5 each time is a start ;) Dec 16 16:48:06 timeless_mbp: since i assume you're doing mxr, did you find a new hosting? Dec 16 16:48:17 ah, ok Dec 16 16:48:21 Stskeeps: i just filed a bug asking for OSU hosting Dec 16 16:48:24 booting maemo w/ 2.6.35 is dream Dec 16 16:48:31 we agreed a while ago in principal that i'd have it Dec 16 16:48:38 MohammadAG: oh man, you're in for a lot of hurt Dec 16 16:48:39 :P Dec 16 16:48:39 and it was confirmed @MeeGo Conf Dec 16 16:48:43 oh and a proper recovery initrd, the current one lacks UBIFS and a keymap :P Dec 16 16:49:37 Stskeeps: anyway you can read the bug to see my stats Dec 16 16:49:48 i don't get it, CMDLINE is not a problem, just use u-boot to override it? Dec 16 16:49:58 but basically the current mxr.meego.com host had a 100gb volume for mxr stuff Dec 16 16:50:10 and it had 727mb free before my latest attempt to build a new repo Dec 16 16:50:21 sadly the sources cost 12GB Dec 16 16:50:24 which means it didn't work :) Dec 16 16:50:57 timeless_mbp, bug number for the mxr hosting? Dec 16 16:51:28 Stskeeps, another question, how do I mount /dev/loop0 after using kpartx? :) Dec 16 16:51:51 ali1234, what about UBIFS support in the vmlinuz image ;) Dec 16 16:51:53 MohammadAG: you don't, look at /dev/mapper/loop* Dec 16 16:52:00 kpartx -a is what i use Dec 16 16:52:21 lcuk: 11422 Dec 16 16:53:57 MohammadAG: yes, ok , that's a tougher problem. probably harder than just enabling the right module too Dec 16 16:53:59 cool, ty Dec 16 16:54:15 bug 11422 Dec 16 16:54:18 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11422 nor, Undecided, ---, michael.r.shaver, NEW, allocate vm at OSU for mxr.meego.com Dec 16 16:54:32 ali1234, actually, UBIFS is enabled, but as a module, I need it in the kernel image Dec 16 16:55:02 timeless_mbp, fwiw, I just voted for it Dec 16 16:55:10 others should too if they use mxr Dec 16 16:56:26 * timeless_mbp pokes lcuk in /msg Dec 16 18:10:32 Stskeeps, what exactly does rpm2cpio kernel-2.6.35.3-13.5.src.rpm | cpio -vid src/* do? Dec 16 18:11:31 MohammadAG: converts rpm to cpio format and unpacks it? Dec 16 18:11:53 Stskeeps, so where does it end up? I was expecting a directory in . Dec 16 18:12:43 i didn't tell you to use src/* Dec 16 18:12:48 it'd end up in same dir, afaik Dec 16 18:12:53 your command didn't work Dec 16 18:12:58 neither did mine Dec 16 18:13:03 anyways, used file-roller Dec 16 18:22:15 Stskeeps, do I need any patches other than the N900's? A readme would be appreciated tbh :/ Dec 16 18:23:12 MohammadAG: if you can wait, we're transfering to an adaptation kernel which means upstream + only n900 patches Dec 16 18:24:23 Stskeeps, yes, I read the meeting's logs, still, do I need anything other than the N900's kernel (like the Direct Backport patches)? Dec 16 18:25:38 MohammadAG: i can't say without having tried :) Dec 16 18:26:40 Stskeeps, wait wait, so you're not the one who handles this stuff? Dec 16 18:27:53 MohammadAG: no, we have a kernel maintainer Dec 16 18:28:03 for n900 Dec 16 18:31:06 Stskeeps, I see, but tbh, the sources seem to be the same, Applying patch linux-2.6-n900-modem-support.patch Dec 16 18:31:06 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED Dec 16 18:31:06 Patch linux-2.6-n900-modem-support.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) Dec 16 18:32:37 MohammadAG: ok, so walk me through what you're doing.. Dec 16 18:34:10 got the vanilla kernel 2.6.35.3 from kernel.org, unpacked it, got the source you pointed me at, applied all patches in the N900 section of the series file Dec 16 18:34:47 with quilt, but it always fails at the modem patch Dec 16 18:35:04 did you remember to unpack the patch-*.bz2 file too? that always gets me Dec 16 18:35:19 ah, .3.. Dec 16 18:35:21 err? Dec 16 18:35:22 nm Dec 16 18:35:26 sorry, i'm a bit tired Dec 16 18:35:28 thought so :) Dec 16 18:35:47 it's the fuzz level............. Dec 16 18:36:09 ali1234, what fuzz level? I'm not using RPM Dec 16 18:36:13 ali1234: well, that's easy to easy, but at least at my last look, we had fuzz=0 Dec 16 18:36:24 it doesn't matter, fuzz level is a parameter of patch which is *set* by RPM Dec 16 18:36:24 easy to say, i mean Dec 16 18:37:23 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aQS21YeG I'm only applying the patches listed in the N900 section here Dec 16 18:37:28 at my last look, while attempting to build meego rpms, they all failed because the default level is 2, all other distros use 2, but meego uses 3 Dec 16 18:37:50 ok, could you do a run with all patches instead? Dec 16 18:38:15 wow that's a lot of patches Dec 16 18:38:37 backports mostly Dec 16 18:38:55 should I comment out Aava's patches? Dec 16 18:39:06 no, just make a run with the entire series Dec 16 18:39:55 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED Dec 16 18:39:55 Patch linux-2.6.36-PM-Runtime-Lenient-generic-runtime-pm-callbacks.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) Dec 16 18:40:05 how are you applying the patches? Dec 16 18:40:13 quilt Dec 16 18:40:22 so they're applied from top to bottom Dec 16 18:40:25 exact line? Dec 16 18:40:48 QUILT_PATCHES=patches quilt push -a -q Dec 16 18:40:59 patches/ is the directory Dec 16 18:41:25 there's no patches/ in the srpm :P Dec 16 18:41:41 I know, I symlinked it there Dec 16 18:41:55 that doesn't matter anyways ;) Dec 16 18:42:45 isn't there some kind of like, "prepare" command from rpm, that unpacks the source and applies all patches? Dec 16 18:43:08 -bp, yeah Dec 16 18:43:16 it applies patches specified in the .spec Dec 16 18:44:20 technically nothing *prevents* you from running quilt magic after unpack in the setup stage (or just before configure) Dec 16 18:44:36 and the patches specified in the .spec file are the same as the ones in series :) Dec 16 18:45:09 MohammadAG: i gotta get away from the computer, but good luck with it - http://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel also exists for n900 stuff Dec 16 18:45:27 tbh, I don't care how the patches are applied, I just want the source meego uses right before a "make" is done Dec 16 18:45:34 then do rpmbuild -bp Dec 16 18:45:35 :P Dec 16 18:45:41 I don't have rpm :) Dec 16 18:45:46 get it Dec 16 18:45:46 :P Dec 16 18:46:15 I'm using scratchbox as a toolchain :P Dec 16 18:46:31 ouch++ Dec 16 18:46:37 scratchbox?! Dec 16 18:46:42 indeed Dec 16 18:46:43 ok, the moment you said that i can't help you anymore Dec 16 18:46:43 :P Dec 16 18:47:15 good luck then Dec 16 18:47:18 why scratchbox? why not code sourcery cross compilers? Dec 16 18:47:47 sidestepping all the damage sbox impinges on its user is hideously tricky Dec 16 18:47:48 Hi, looking at the meego.com homepage, I can see lots of references to git repositories and SDKs. How do I go about build meego from scratch? Are the instructions hidden in the wiki or a git repository somewhere? Dec 16 18:48:25 Meep: the short answer is no, the long answer is noooooooooooo..... Dec 16 18:48:30 is arm-2009q1 good enough? Dec 16 18:48:42 MohammadAG: i prefer the 2008Q1 or 2008Q3 Dec 16 18:48:57 any reason for that? Dec 16 18:48:59 i had problems with newer toolchains, especially with uboot Dec 16 18:49:32 ali1234 Are there any instructions, or you do you just fumble around until you get something built? Dec 16 18:49:33 but with kernels too (but not meego kernel, but other kernels on arm...) Dec 16 18:49:49 you're probably going to end up with badly broken binaries, whatever you do Dec 16 18:49:59 Meep: there are "instructions" for building meego from scratch, unfortunately none of them is fully complete Dec 16 18:50:13 Meep: so, why would you want to build it from scratch? Dec 16 18:50:20 Okay... Voyage of discovery kind of thing eh? Dec 16 18:50:44 Meep: someone asks this question every day, nobody seems to have figured out how to do it yet Dec 16 18:50:49 some sbox toolchains manage to generate versioned symbols in libc/libstdc++ that are not present on device Dec 16 18:51:12 still nurturing my wounds due to that Dec 16 18:51:18 Bostik: but we're compiling kernels and bootloaders... no worries about libraries... Dec 16 18:51:58 hi Dec 16 18:52:02 ah, the easy way out ;) Dec 16 18:52:45 Meep: the partially complete answer is you have to set up an OBS server, then somehow import all the meego rpms and srpms into it, then set it off, and hopefully, by some kind of magic that few people understand, it will build meego from scratch for you Dec 16 18:52:58 ali1234: i've done that with hardfp, i'll document it in the new year.. Dec 16 18:53:11 ie, a new arch port, too Dec 16 18:53:39 Okay. Continuum builds. Fair enough Dec 16 18:53:44 Is that how meego releases are made? Dec 16 18:54:22 pretty much - meego's a package based system, source packages turn into binary packages :) Dec 16 18:54:31 i'm not sure what "continuum build" means Dec 16 18:55:06 It means that each package is independent, and so a distribution is made an aggregation of an ongoing set of build of components that should work together. Dec 16 18:55:30 A release is a collection of the packages at a particular point in time. Dec 16 18:55:42 yeah, sounds about right Dec 16 18:55:45 well, i wouldn't say independent, as they might depend on eachother Dec 16 18:55:45 :P Dec 16 18:55:49 but yeah Dec 16 18:55:49 But there is no such thing as "checkout the code"; "make the code"; "ship the code". Dec 16 18:56:04 Meep: pretty much - you can check out individual packages and rebuild those and the ones that depend on it Dec 16 18:56:04 stskeeps; yes - at a package level. Dec 16 18:56:08 yeah, the main problem with "meego from scratch" is that tonnes of packages won't compile correctly unless you build them on meego Dec 16 18:56:19 NP, it's been helpful. Dec 16 18:56:20 which isn't really "from scratch" - chicken and egg situation Dec 16 18:56:31 ali1234: the trick is to start out with ~80 base packages Dec 16 18:56:51 which are fairly friendly Dec 16 18:57:11 Yup: 80 packages, some spices, a rare flower, an incantation in some ancient language :). Dec 16 18:57:28 right :) Dec 16 18:57:35 sacrificing 12 nubile virgins works too Dec 16 18:57:54 They are harder to find these days than the rare flower :0. Dec 16 19:18:00 hi guys Dec 16 19:18:01 * auke not around enough Dec 16 19:26:29 shoulda used linux/meego :-) : http://failblog.org/2010/12/14/epic-fail-photos-atm-fail/ Dec 16 19:27:44 npm: lol... :D Dec 16 20:40:07 hmm, did anyone look at where we're actually having next conference? damn close to sf bay bridge :) Dec 16 20:41:29 ok, and i'm showing as an european not being able to tell two bridges apart :) Dec 16 20:42:34 npm: :D Dec 16 20:44:01 Stskeeps: Found the link for conference yesterday, but lost it again. Could you help me out? Dec 16 20:44:17 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011 Dec 16 20:44:23 Stskeeps: Thanks Dec 16 20:45:32 Looks nice. Dublin was great too Dec 16 21:02:16 Hi I am looking for smartphone hardware the meego can run on? All I know is the Nokia n500. I s there a list of more deices? thanks Dec 16 21:02:44 n500? Dec 16 21:02:49 hurrrrrrr Dec 16 21:03:02 Moo Myrtti Dec 16 21:03:08 moo RST38h Dec 16 21:03:11 How is suffering tonight? Dec 16 21:03:55 is that wroing. I ve seen the n500 but like to know if ther is more smartphones that work with meego Dec 16 21:04:13 I've never heard of such Nokia device Dec 16 21:04:44 latenite: did you mean the n900? Dec 16 21:04:52 Myrtti, http://www.areamobile.de/news/15793-meego-smartphone-nokia-zeigt-neues-handy-system-im-video Dec 16 21:04:57 * timeless_mbp hasn't seen a 9 confused w/ a 5 in the past Dec 16 21:06:05 latenite: where in that is it called n500? Dec 16 21:06:43 Myrtti, you re right this video shows the n900. but my friend phone (he called it n500) Dec 16 21:06:46 the handset on the video is the aava protodevice Dec 16 21:06:54 as it says on the youtube description Dec 16 21:07:04 your friend... right. Dec 16 21:07:06 rumours. Dec 16 21:07:22 oh well thats 2 pones. Are there any sonyerriccson or apple devices supported Dec 16 21:07:56 Myrtti, I did hold it in my hand yesterday...but did ot check if it was a n500 or n900. he might be mistaken Dec 16 21:08:46 he also said it does not use "meego" but some OS called "mogo" or "moogo"...have you ever heard of hat? os Dec 16 21:08:56 latenite: maemo? Dec 16 21:09:50 Myrtti, no "mOgo" mybe with doulbe oo Dec 16 21:10:05 right Dec 16 21:10:07 meego is totaly open source right? Dec 16 21:10:16 good night kids Dec 16 21:10:23 night Dec 16 21:18:55 gnite Myrtti \o Dec 16 21:20:13 join #meego-bar Dec 16 21:20:39 ahh well, it didn't exist it was worth a shot for an after work pint Dec 16 21:39:33 WARNING: Cannot find root file system! Dec 16 21:39:33 -------------------------------------- Dec 16 21:39:33 Create symlink /dev/root and then exit this shell to continue the boot sequence Dec 16 21:39:41 Any idea about this? Dec 16 21:48:37 [A Dec 16 21:49:23 eh Dec 16 21:49:28 s/[A/up-arrow enter/ Dec 16 21:58:42 hello Dec 16 21:59:49 nice split Dec 16 22:01:51 repo.meego.com is down Dec 16 22:03:34 connman seems to have become flaky and cannot configure a wired connection Dec 16 22:03:56 Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! Dec 16 22:04:07 I sucessfully rooted my Kendo M7! Dec 16 22:07:47 CosmoHill: pan Dec 16 22:10:22 huh? Dec 16 22:10:51 CosmoHill: sorry repo.meego.com is up now :) Dec 16 22:11:04 * CosmoHill smiles and nods Dec 16 22:11:09 CosmoHill: you can watch tv :) Dec 16 22:11:16 awesome Dec 16 22:12:19 what is awesome CosmoHill? Dec 16 22:12:27 watching tv? Dec 16 22:13:19 who? Dec 16 22:13:33 what? Dec 16 22:13:45 when? Dec 16 22:13:50 why? Dec 16 22:14:27 cannot find root file system. Create a symlink /dev/root Dec 16 22:14:36 any idea? Dec 16 22:14:44 that isn't what root file system means Dec 16 22:15:02 so what does it mean? Dec 16 22:15:04 no root fie system? do you have a hard disk ? Dec 16 22:15:10 it's the file system that / is Dec 16 22:15:16 for example my / is ext3 Dec 16 22:15:49 I have a livecd image written to USB stick using mic-image-writer Dec 16 22:15:57 and i m trying to boot from there Dec 16 22:16:20 ah ah not so far :) Dec 16 22:16:22 hmm, you know the meego.img can be writen to a USB Dec 16 22:16:34 is that what you've done? Dec 16 22:17:13 image from .ks file or from meego.com ? Dec 16 22:17:15 i have wrote .iso to USB Dec 16 22:17:23 image from .ks file Dec 16 22:18:06 do you burn a candle when you write your image on usb ? Dec 16 22:18:33 I mean you can write "meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img" to a USB stick Dec 16 22:18:39 * niala1 kick himself Dec 16 22:18:42 what's candle? how do i check that? Dec 16 22:19:29 it involves a goat, you don't wanna know Dec 16 22:20:04 is .img a preffered format for USB ? Dec 16 22:20:31 the meego .img files are preformated so they will work on both DVD and USB Dec 16 22:20:35 so, I appear to have accidentally opened #meego-bar and a couple of people wandered in following me, dawnfoster isnt here qgil either, Stskeeps can you remember in the morning to ask Dec 16 22:21:04 lcuk: cool Dec 16 22:22:02 * MohammadAG suggests it becomes an "offtopic" channel ;) Dec 16 22:23:18 lcuk: is the beer expensive in your bar ? Dec 16 22:23:54 niala1, not at all Dec 16 22:24:02 but it is a work free zone :) Dec 16 22:24:08 kaushik: how did you write your usb? which image? Dec 16 22:24:51 work work always work.... Dec 16 22:26:47 CosmoHill: by .img did u mean i should create liveusb image? or convert iso into .img? Dec 16 22:27:02 no, just download the meego one Dec 16 22:27:58 I am trying to create my own image from ks file Dec 16 22:28:00 and then boot it Dec 16 22:28:45 I can boot the one which is online Dec 16 22:28:54 I am able to* Dec 16 22:30:55 so the error is in your image. Dec 16 22:33:26 heh connman keeps setting /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 Dec 16 23:30:23 while creating the image from ks files. I see this log in the end Dec 16 23:30:25 Your new image can be found here: Dec 16 23:30:25 /home/kaushik/meego/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.80.9.20101207.1-1.1.80.20101213.2056.iso Dec 16 23:30:25 Finished. Dec 16 23:30:25 close failed in file object destructor: Dec 16 23:30:25 IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor Dec 16 23:30:33 is anything wrong in ti? Dec 16 23:30:38 it* Dec 16 23:40:33 yes, probably Dec 17 00:22:20 #meego-bar is 24/7 open bar free beers and nibbles. Dec 17 00:28:00 they dont ship, do they Dec 17 00:41:42 http://i.imgur.com/sqXWT.png Dec 17 00:41:42 "want a byte to eat? come to #meego-bar" Dec 17 00:41:47 hi CosmoHill Dec 17 00:41:52 click Dec 17 00:41:59 CosmoHill, should go in the /topic :P Dec 17 00:42:09 pupnik: http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldj64e3DtL1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg Dec 17 00:42:24 CosmoHill: you don't understand Dec 17 00:42:31 intel is behind meego Dec 17 00:42:37 intel is involved with genocide Dec 17 00:43:12 pupnik, sometimes you creep me out :P Dec 17 00:43:26 is the 'community obs' https://build.pub.meego.com/?? Dec 17 00:43:36 JunJi: yes Dec 17 00:43:46 all *.pub.meego.com subdomains are Dec 17 00:44:03 :) yesterday I asked an account but it's not working yet Dec 17 00:44:12 thanks Dec 17 00:44:49 MohammadAG: I thought what I said was kinda cheesey Dec 17 00:45:16 I was always wondering how to show my nickname red Dec 17 00:45:18 MohammadAG: the 8088 was developed in an israeli research facility built on the graves of a palestinian town Dec 17 00:45:31 and the 8088 was the most evil processor ever released into the computing world Dec 17 00:45:39 JunJi: it's called "highlight" it happens when someone else says your name Dec 17 00:45:59 CosmoHill: do you see me as red? :) Dec 17 00:46:04 i do now Dec 17 00:46:13 but enough about my anger issues Dec 17 00:46:14 aha~~~~ nice. Thanks a lot Dec 17 00:47:00 intel has done good and bad things Dec 17 00:47:30 but you can't trust them Dec 17 00:47:40 8088 Dec 17 00:48:20 that is why we stuck with the 8086 Dec 17 00:48:32 that was developed in texas Dec 17 00:48:37 not so bad Dec 17 00:48:39 s/8086/80386/ Dec 17 00:48:41 CosmoHill meant: that is why we stuck with the 80386 Dec 17 00:49:07 MohammadAG: you know PROMIS software? Dec 17 00:49:22 pupnik: clearly the best processor is ARM because it was made in england Dec 17 00:49:51 watch your six Dec 17 00:51:06 it's almost 1, I have another 5 hours before I should worry Dec 17 00:55:47 cyas Dec 17 00:56:52 nn CosmoHill Dec 17 01:02:37 night CosmoHill Dec 17 01:02:40 and morning lcuk :P Dec 17 01:02:47 I've been distracted by youtube Dec 17 01:03:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2jEM5aHHJc&feature=related Dec 17 01:03:23 night CosmoHill Dec 17 01:04:42 CosmoHill: big big rats! Dec 17 01:05:28 i dont want to sleep in this bed! Dec 17 01:09:53 is twitter a mess atm? Dec 17 01:10:18 looks about like it always does to me Dec 17 01:10:38 http://i.imgur.com/qQWHY.jpg Dec 17 01:10:39 I shouldn't click the youtube link :(((((((((( Dec 17 01:12:15 JunJi: but they're cool :) Dec 17 01:12:51 http://i.imgur.com/eTfsq.png Dec 17 01:13:02 rts invent rap Dec 17 01:13:05 rats Dec 17 01:14:39 okay I'm actually going now Dec 17 01:14:40 bye Dec 17 02:07:13 how to create .img files using kickstart? I am able to create .iso and .usbimg Dec 17 02:13:09 i find it really shitty that Obama thinks he can kill people like me Dec 17 02:14:23 if Obama says that, then i have to defend myself Dec 17 02:18:38 Obama hasn't talked to me about you Dec 17 02:19:13 lol Dec 17 02:43:44 obama has called for killing of american citizens without trial Dec 17 02:45:54 Anyone did meego on Oaktrail? Dec 17 02:48:19 kaushik_: .img or .iso is not very important Dec 17 02:50:04 --format=livecd even if it's for an usb stick Dec 17 02:50:28 yeah I did livecd only Dec 17 02:51:04 but it tells that please create a symlink /dev/root Dec 17 02:51:30 have you change url repo in kickstart ? Dec 17 02:51:34 "In late January, I wrote about the Obama administration's "presidential assassination program," whereby American citizens are targeted for killings far away from any battlefield, based exclusively on unchecked accusations by the Executive Branch that they're involved in Terrorism. " http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations Dec 17 02:51:45 why are we working with intel? Dec 17 02:51:56 1.1 or trunk image ? Dec 17 02:51:57 they are part of a genocidal regime Dec 17 02:52:05 btw ..i tried the to take image from repo.meego.com and it worked fine on my PC but its not working fine in my intel oaktrail boarf Dec 17 02:52:18 trunk image and 1.1 both Dec 17 02:52:21 I tried both Dec 17 02:53:06 ahh oaktrail boarf ? what is that? Dec 17 02:53:38 that's intel's board very similar to moorestown in architecture Dec 17 02:54:11 so I am currently trying the moorestown to get working Dec 17 02:54:28 I have moorestown hardware as well Dec 17 02:55:09 Same case in moorestown ... repo.meego images also fails for moorestown hardware Dec 17 02:56:58 morning Dec 17 02:58:44 gtg **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 17 02:59:59 2010