**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 24 02:59:58 2010 Dec 24 03:25:38 npm - looks great, really well written, clear and understandable. I'm looking forward to seeing the results :) Dec 24 06:17:01 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11688 Dec 24 07:23:52 Morning Dec 24 07:26:36 morning khertan Dec 24 07:46:35 I want to try obs on build.pub.meego.com, but I simply cannot register an account. Does anyone know how can I get access to meego build service? Dec 24 08:01:42 haoxu: you need to poke lbt or x-fade about this and also explain why you want it Dec 24 08:05:14 thanks. Dec 24 08:08:23 lbt: No didn't see that. Dec 24 08:08:24 haoxu: hi .... sure.... what are you planning on doing? Dec 24 08:09:20 Jaffa: I'm gobsmacked at how casual it seems to be Dec 24 08:10:37 lbt: Indeed. Presumably that is more of the fuss about providing auditability and trackability for *why* a change is being made? Dec 24 08:11:27 For now I just want to be familiar with the OBS system, so it's not available for public use? Dec 24 08:11:34 lbt, think there is a disconnect in communication somewhere Dec 24 08:11:34 yes Dec 24 08:12:26 (that program office doesnt seem too terribly efficient is part of that..) Dec 24 08:13:27 So if I want to try out some meego modules such as QMF, how do I build it without OBS system? Dec 24 08:14:29 haoxu: the community OBS is for building OSI apps ... just making sure you weren't planning on doing closed stuff Dec 24 08:14:40 or on trying to rebuild all of meego or something like that Dec 24 08:19:15 haoxu: ? Dec 24 08:19:59 Thank you for answering, but I'm still no sure how to build QMF though. Dec 24 08:20:27 are you doing opensource development? Dec 24 08:23:01 Stskeeps: how on earth are we supposed to make effective use of QA around the world if these guys thing BZ is a waste of time? Dec 24 08:23:08 I'm new to this, not sure I'm right or not, but to build a module like QMF, there's a lot dependency to other packages, OBS seems a good way to deal with that. Dec 24 08:23:28 haoxu: fairly simple question: are you doing opensource development? Dec 24 08:23:39 not yet Dec 24 08:23:56 so you can't use the community OBS for it Dec 24 08:24:00 lbt: i think there hasnt been a good explanation of the reasons and whys.. keep in mind QA in intel hasnt been terribly strong Dec 24 08:24:22 Stskeeps: hence the title of my email Dec 24 08:26:53 wow i knocked my head real hard today and man did that suck Dec 24 08:26:54 Is it because I'm not a member of opensource project, so I dont Dec 24 08:27:23 haoxu: basically community OBS is for open source development, everyone can see your source code in there :) Dec 24 08:27:35 Is it because I'm not a member of opensource project, so I dont have right to use it, or it's simply not correct to build modules like QMF using OBS? Dec 24 08:27:47 haoxu: so if you intend to do closed source development on there, its not the right place Dec 24 08:28:03 haoxu: no, it's not that. We get people trying to build closed code for their company on the OBS. That's not the right thing to do. Dec 24 08:28:03 haoxu: qmf should be built in obs :) Dec 24 08:28:35 If you want to develop code in public with an open license then you can use the OBS Dec 24 08:30:13 Ok, I get it, thank you. And if i get some idea on maybe some opensource module of meego, how do I try it out? Dec 24 08:30:34 haoxu: get srpm from repo.meego.com :) Dec 24 08:31:20 lbt, but basically this conversation can't proceed without program office, releng and QA people coming in and slamming a fist on the table.. Dec 24 08:31:44 lbt, current $DATE makes that difficult Dec 24 08:34:26 lbt, but this whole fea#-submission checklist-qa chain doesn't work with a slow program management :/ there should be a 24hour turnaround on simple sub-fea's Dec 24 08:34:36 yes Dec 24 08:34:57 but if this communication is happening itrw then we're doomed Dec 24 08:35:09 and that does appear to be the case Dec 24 08:38:27 itrw? Dec 24 08:40:08 morning Dec 24 08:40:30 lbt, according to some mails it goes on by mailing people directly to push things ahead, which isnt a sign of a sound process.. Dec 24 08:41:00 in the real world Dec 24 08:41:14 http://wiki.meego.com/Product_Management - came in 1-2 days ago, so maybe things will change Dec 24 08:42:02 oh great another core person on the same continent Dec 24 08:42:24 I think there should be a rule that the top 4 people in each area must live in different TZs Dec 24 08:42:34 and have their phones taken away Dec 24 08:42:35 hehe Dec 24 08:46:02 i think there should be a midway between efficient evolvment of distro and release engineering/qa/product management cos process is too damn slow atm :P Dec 24 08:47:03 and identifying the bottleneck early is important, or 1.2 is screwed Dec 24 08:50:04 a picture of how everything is glued together is important, cos we only see parts of the whole picture atm Dec 24 08:55:15 *nod* Dec 24 08:55:54 it struck me in Dublin that the RE meeting was held in a room before the conference Dec 24 08:56:10 it should have been streamed Dec 24 08:56:17 not locked away Dec 24 08:56:30 communication is still the biggest issue Dec 24 08:56:39 and frankly the fragmentation doesn't help Dec 24 08:58:11 rarely does Dec 24 08:58:16 Jaffa: thanks ... I find eloquence in email really hard Dec 24 09:00:23 lbt: I'm just pontificating, though Dec 24 09:01:03 I don't think so :) Dec 24 09:04:52 lbt, fragmentation: having the code for meego specific apps in one place (with public merge requests and collaborative features available via gitorious) is good, but then let down drastically by having packaging in a seperate non web linkable collaborative fragmented location is saddening Dec 24 09:06:06 anyone can easily anonymously get the gitorious stuff and with a bit of will can build the apps themselves Dec 24 09:06:30 but they cant generate rpms for them to test install on even their own system without the massive uphillness Dec 24 09:07:39 meego netbook + gcc + some sprinkling of -devel libraries is practically same as a normal linux system and understandable to most hackers out there who will happily fix stuff Dec 24 09:22:14 lcuk: I know Dec 24 09:22:24 * lbt -> coffee Dec 24 09:51:33 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11589 is the gplv3 bug fwiw Dec 24 09:58:33 Stskeeps: ta Dec 24 09:59:49 which seems fairly reasonable Dec 24 10:04:05 Stskeeps, can you really take gpl3 code and include it in gpl2 applications without breaking the license ? Dec 24 10:04:20 or do patches for backports have to be reimplemented? Dec 24 10:09:20 lcuk: no you can't - yes they do Dec 24 10:09:31 roger Dec 24 10:11:59 * lcuk does like the ]note] section on that bug report though :) Dec 24 10:12:04 [note] even Dec 24 10:16:12 lcuk, IMO you can. GPLv3 is compatible with GPLv2 and you can link this code together. of course imported part have to keep their GPLv3 license, so you wull end up with mixed GPLv2 + GPLv3 code. you will have to distribute both licenses with your software, etc. Dec 24 10:18:34 smoku, read the bug Dec 24 10:18:40 that Stskeeps just highlighted Dec 24 10:19:20 lcuk, I wasn't here at the moment, so I don't have that history Dec 24 10:19:26 oh joys of irc :) Dec 24 10:19:40 we have fixed that in Jabber ages ago ;-) Dec 24 10:20:02 lol Dec 24 10:20:09 bug 11589 Dec 24 10:20:12 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11589 enh, Undecided, ---, yan.i.li, ACCE, [FEA] Using GPLv2 variants for base packages Dec 24 10:48:38 lcuk, and what exactly is the problem with GPLv3? (the bug does not mention this) Dec 24 10:49:21 Stskeeps: Yup, that seems like a very sensible bug to do simple reverts of various packages. It should then have a list of affected packages and if any backport-rework is required a more specific bug raisedl Dec 24 10:49:36 smoku: People like Nokia don't like it for products Dec 24 10:50:03 smoku: Especially products which may need a security framework for DRM video content Dec 24 10:50:04 Jaffa, because? Dec 24 10:50:09 smoku: problem is that there isnt enough legal analysis/case law about the more anti drm things.. Dec 24 10:50:30 anti-patent clauses? Dec 24 10:50:34 And company lawyers' default position is paranoid Dec 24 10:50:47 Anti-Tivoisation stuff too, IIRC Dec 24 10:50:59 anti security might make IVI difficult as well cos there is very hard regulation Dec 24 10:51:50 so, people are a bit 'wary' Dec 24 10:52:07 oh right. this is about stuff that prevents "here's the source, but you won't be able to put it on the device anyway because of crypto"? right? Dec 24 10:52:11 merry xmas people: http://xkcd.com/ Dec 24 10:53:13 smoku: except it blocks other things too Dec 24 10:54:28 it is a complex matter and i cant blame companies of being careful Dec 24 10:54:38 Dec 24 10:54:49 moo all Dec 24 10:54:59 yes. understandable. Dec 24 10:55:33 GPLv3 is very young in company terms. v2 is a known old beast Dec 24 10:55:41 so to allow people to adapt meego with less fear, gplv2 is saner :P Dec 24 11:00:27 hello there Dec 24 11:00:53 is it possible to run a meegotouch application on meego netbook release Dec 24 11:01:13 I get strange crashes with theme deamon stuff and dbus Dec 24 11:03:04 CosmoHill: :-D Dec 24 11:31:33 jbos: you probably want to install the handset ux and test there Dec 24 11:32:43 i have a ideapad Dec 24 11:33:37 so, well but i thought that this just works also on netbook Dec 24 11:34:27 i mean if not this is really crap. (I try to get firefox mobile, from hg.meego.com) on netbook working Dec 24 11:34:41 install fennec-qt Dec 24 11:35:28 ?jbos, specifically which applications are oyu installing (apart from ff mobile) ? any specific limeegotouch apps? Dec 24 11:35:29 sure i could just use plain qt version, but then its missing most of the stuff Dec 24 11:36:19 none appart from that yet Dec 24 11:37:11 jbos, try one of the simpler bugs, try best to diagnose exactly whats missing and file a bug is best advice I can give Dec 24 11:37:20 one of the simpler apps ^ Dec 24 11:37:25 :D Dec 24 11:37:55 yes, well seems like the way to go, well at least non of the important stuff is running in netbook release Dec 24 11:38:06 like meego-im-uiserver Dec 24 11:38:12 #you can put the handset UX on the ideapad Dec 24 11:38:18 themedeamon Dec 24 11:38:30 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops Dec 24 11:38:50 specifically tailored instructions for ideapad users :) Dec 24 11:40:33 well yea. But i actually wanted to explicitly also have it running on netbook. But I see, that is not even useing libmeegotouch? Dec 24 11:40:53 jbos, yes Dec 24 11:40:55 bit confusing, i must say... Dec 24 11:40:58 that uses lmt Dec 24 11:41:14 its possible that after you install those extra packages then your bug will be cured Dec 24 11:41:20 even on the netbook ux Dec 24 11:41:31 ok i will check Dec 24 11:41:34 so may help identify and rectify your issue Dec 24 11:43:37 thanks and hey merry xmas :) Dec 24 11:44:23 \o merry xmas to you, hope it works Dec 24 11:44:35 ah another issue, the wireless does not work on the ideapad Dec 24 11:44:43 its a S10-3t Dec 24 11:44:48 yeah Dec 24 11:44:58 theres 2 models of wifi cards in them Dec 24 11:45:01 i assume that there are different hardware versions of the same series Dec 24 11:45:12 one works with OSS drivers (atheros card afaik) Dec 24 11:45:19 and theres another which needs other drivers Dec 24 11:45:31 but IDK where to get them from, hold on it might already be documented on the wiki Dec 24 11:45:37 did you get your ideapad from meegoconf? Dec 24 11:45:48 no Dec 24 11:46:04 http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad Dec 24 11:46:18 well lots of meego devs did, so happily theres a lot of documentation and tips Dec 24 11:46:57 and you can expect any niggles to be ironed out asap :) Dec 24 11:47:06 wasn't there, well some of my colleges did get one, but i assume this little dude is one we bought our self. I borrowed it over the holidays Dec 24 11:47:18 heh Dec 24 11:47:27 they are certainly nice machines :) Dec 24 11:47:33 great little sporty convertable Dec 24 11:50:05 yep i like it. Well i wanted actually to kickoff a little private project (open source) over the holydays... but as always i kept hanging on trying and checking how best to compile and such stuff :) Dec 24 11:50:26 cool Dec 24 11:50:40 I don't know but i miss my scratchbox :D Dec 24 11:51:25 jbos, on the ideapad itself you can of course just ssh into it and pretend its a scratchbox ;) Dec 24 11:51:37 https://wiki.mozilla.org/HowToMeegoFennecDraft Dec 24 11:51:50 just took fennec/xulrunner as a testcase Dec 24 11:52:29 to see if stuff works. Well, i mount the image and changeroot with some intel script into it Dec 24 11:52:31 :D Dec 24 11:52:58 issue was the images provided (partions on it) are to small to hold the sources Dec 24 11:53:13 and build data of xulrunner Dec 24 11:54:08 of course, and thats why i stay first on non arm. ... arm compiling is still a mystery - doing it that way. Dec 24 11:54:27 you dont want to compile that monster on an ideapad ;) Dec 24 11:54:31 yeah once you are happy submit it onto obs and build for all :) Dec 24 11:55:08 for handset my colleges already do Dec 24 11:55:51 i think ;) Dec 24 11:56:32 heh Dec 24 11:56:38 duno, its essential to get this running on normal public open source stuff in order to get mozilla working and fixing for meego Dec 24 11:57:10 (but some people might like qtwebkit more) Dec 24 12:02:35 i will take a look on that changing desktops, its surely not very usefull needing that, as i would have expected that libmeegotouch actually works just out of the box in netbook release too Dec 24 12:04:40 a bit disapointing.Mostlike it sound that its the best to kick all that meegotouch stuff and use qt only, in order to be really meego compatible. Dec 24 12:05:01 is there a onscreen keyboard for netbook? Dec 24 12:05:23 yes Dec 24 12:05:43 does it work like the libmeegotouch one? Dec 24 12:05:50 or better, is it the same? Dec 24 12:07:06 ahh misread question Dec 24 12:07:22 netbook itself doesnt have one OOTB afaik Dec 24 12:07:48 mhm ok. Dec 24 12:08:50 thats all pretty strange, do you know whats the plan with this netbook release, will this become libmeegotouch? Dec 24 12:09:36 qt/qml eventually prolly Dec 24 12:11:02 i see so using libmeegotouch is like a dead end. and will only work on handset? Dec 24 12:11:40 but not useing it means less good integration into handset (lookalike, consistency) Dec 24 12:13:14 :nod: agreed - qt quick components will allow integration Dec 24 12:13:27 well jbos to answer your first question, no - in my eyes its a bug that lmt applications are not running on netbook Dec 24 12:14:12 ok, i will place some bugs i think against lmt. Dec 24 12:14:50 i will first make some simple test apps, otherwise they wont listen ;) Dec 24 12:14:55 whatever the future and alternatives and stuff, having lmt running and working is important as you say :) Dec 24 12:15:13 yep. Dec 24 12:15:17 thanks jbos if you ping me and highlight any bugs you file along that basis I will vote and try to follow them through Dec 24 12:16:31 hey i started a little blog about meego development, a bit sidetracked of the usual "qtcreator" Dec 24 12:16:53 its www.jeremias-bosch.de Dec 24 12:17:54 Its just one post though ;) next will follow these days. I think this desktop switch is a good topic too Dec 24 12:20:27 so, my girlfriend is grabbing me away from the keyboard. Thanks so far and again, happy xmas. Dec 24 12:22:18 \o jbos Dec 24 12:52:59 lol @ bug 11688 Dec 24 12:53:01 <_MeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11688 maj, Undecided, ---, markus.lehtonen, NEW, [Trunk : testing] Orientation has wrong direction on N900. Dec 24 12:53:11 * lcuk considers filing a related bug for neck breakage Dec 24 13:50:37 MERRY CHRISTMAS! Dec 24 13:51:14 hey Termana, merry christmas to you too :) Dec 24 13:51:19 merry xmas Dec 24 13:53:31 CosmoHill, Stskeeps - doing much for today/tomorrow? (I think it's still tomorrow for the both of you, though I don't exactly know CosmoHill's timezone :p) Dec 24 13:53:44 today Dec 24 13:53:51 it's xmas eve Dec 24 13:54:19 yeah, anyway doing much for Christmas day? :p Dec 24 13:54:45 having dinner at home with my parents and then going round my uncle's in the evening Dec 24 13:56:30 Stskeeps, you've flown to somewhere obviously, because in Poland it should still be the 24th shouldn't it? :p Dec 24 13:56:50 merry christmas to everyone Dec 24 13:56:52 .dk, and we celebrate on 24th Dec 24 13:56:59 berndhs, merry christmas Dec 24 13:58:41 Merry Christmas!!! Dec 24 13:59:18 Stskeeps, ah ok :p Is that just something your family does specifically or am I just silly and never realised it was celebrated on the 24th there? Dec 24 13:59:25 lcuk, Merry Christmas :) Dec 24 14:00:15 Termana: latter Dec 24 14:00:22 xmas eve Dec 24 14:02:58 Ah well, no better day than today to learn something new hey? :p Dec 24 14:03:15 like how to unwrap a kids present Dec 24 14:03:34 the ones that have many wires holding it into the packaging Dec 24 14:04:42 heh Dec 24 14:05:44 I remember round my cousins one year, it was awesome cos the whole family that lived in town was there Dec 24 14:06:11 I turned to my cousin at the xmas table and he was wearing a ninjamask Dec 24 14:37:55 :o Dec 24 14:38:32 indeed Dec 24 14:46:26 :'( Dec 24 14:47:20 * CosmoHill hugs MindWarper Dec 24 14:47:34 fag Dec 24 14:47:38 queer Dec 24 14:47:51 :@ Dec 24 14:48:02 are you trying to eat your keyboard again? Dec 24 14:48:17 is FAQ and insult too ? Dec 24 14:49:15 I watch a program called Game FAQs and they pronounce is "Game Facts" Dec 24 14:49:24 :( Dec 24 14:49:54 gtfo Dec 24 14:50:23 MindWarper, play nice with the other children. Dec 24 14:50:46 most FAQ authors have never seen a question Dec 24 14:51:14 berndhs: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/faq.txt >.> Dec 24 14:51:27 epic fail Dec 24 14:51:34 CosmoHill: Better than game-fuck-yous though Dec 24 14:51:55 did I mention it was on a kids TV channel? Dec 24 14:52:05 * lcuk stores up MindWarper's entries for QOTD Dec 24 14:52:23 CosmoHill, your faw should be on the wiki Dec 24 14:52:25 RST38h: as long as their first item isn't the wii Dec 24 14:52:30 and then we can all add things if required Dec 24 14:52:43 Cosmo: Now, when you mention it...=) Dec 24 14:52:53 lcuk: I'll tell you what, I'm have a shower and then I'll add it afterwards Dec 24 14:53:02 RST38h: just now but in the form of a question Dec 24 14:53:04 awesome :D Dec 24 14:53:20 The fascination of shooting as a sport depends almost wholly on whether you are at the right or wrong end of the gun. Dec 24 14:54:53 For a list of all the ways technology has failed to improve the quality of life, please press three. Dec 24 14:55:46 shooting requires a great deal of self discipline and self control Dec 24 14:57:22 berndhs, no it doesn't, but to be anywhere near accurate and safe etc.. Dec 24 14:57:47 lcuk:well sure, doing it wrong is usually easy Dec 24 14:59:16 We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails. Dec 24 15:01:00 MindWarper: sailing directly downwind is slow, it takes the wind out of your sails Dec 24 15:01:24 Keep cool and you command everybody. Dec 24 15:02:17 You cannot be really first-rate at your work if your work is all you are. Dec 24 15:02:50 Knowledge is power. Dec 24 15:03:47 However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. Dec 24 15:04:26 Human beings have an inalienable right to invent themselves. Dec 24 15:04:48 The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance. Dec 24 15:05:14 Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared. Dec 24 15:06:03 Follow your inclinations with due regard to the policeman round the corner. Dec 24 15:06:29 If you want your life to be more rewarding, you have to change the way you think. Dec 24 15:06:50 Toughness doesn't have to come in a pinstriped suit. Dec 24 15:07:35 I must create a system, or be enslaved by another man's. Dec 24 15:08:01 Be wary of the man who urges an action in which he himself incurs no risk. Dec 24 15:09:17 Givers have to set limits because takers rarely do. Dec 24 15:09:56 It's funny how dogs and cats know the inside of folks better than other folks do, isn't it? Dec 24 15:10:22 Please give me some good advice in your next letter. I promise not to follow it. Dec 24 15:10:45 Seek freedom and become captive of your desires, seek discipline and find your liberty. Dec 24 15:11:10 Silence is a text easy to misread. Dec 24 15:11:36 Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any one thing. Dec 24 15:12:12 Be neither too remote nor too familiar. Dec 24 15:13:20 When you have a number of disagreeable duties to perform, always do the most disagreeable first. Dec 24 15:13:54 right Dec 24 15:13:59 When a thing is done, it's done. Don't look back. Look forward to your next objective. Dec 24 15:14:08 is the ramdom quorm Dec 24 15:14:20 quote hour over soon? Dec 24 15:14:26 A friend is a gift you give yourself. Dec 24 15:15:08 Friends are born, not made. Dec 24 15:15:46 Often the best way to overcome desire is to satisfy it. Dec 24 15:15:52 MindWarper: hi Dec 24 15:16:08 Silence is golden when you can't think of a good answer. Dec 24 15:16:56 You should not live one way in private, another in public. Dec 24 15:17:15 hi, MindWarper Dec 24 15:17:41 I trust that everything happens for a reason, even when we're not wise enough to see it. Dec 24 15:17:50 troll? Dec 24 15:17:54 yes Dec 24 15:18:34 spouted smileys on another channel earlier in similar fasion Dec 24 15:18:34 * CosmoHill kicks his computer Dec 24 15:18:37 I've never quite believed that one chance is all I get. Dec 24 15:18:46 huh, violence can solve problems Dec 24 15:19:05 MindWarper: what is 3 + 3? Dec 24 15:19:14 A weapon is a device for making your enemy change his mind. Dec 24 15:19:14 7, 8... Dec 24 15:19:40 he's using correct grammar, he can't be human Dec 24 15:19:41 Man's main task is to give birth to himself. Dec 24 15:20:00 Never regret something that once made you smile. Dec 24 15:20:15 can someone get rid of him? Dec 24 15:20:37 Never regret. If it's good, it's wonderful. If it's bad, it's experience. Dec 24 15:21:17 It's better to be a pirate than to join the Navy. Dec 24 15:22:31 sadkjg Dec 24 15:22:34 I show up. I listen. I try to laugh. Dec 24 15:22:48 what is meego Dec 24 15:22:54 welfg: www.meego.com Dec 24 15:23:05 i wont go there Dec 24 15:23:08 There is no security on this earth, there is only opportunity. Dec 24 15:23:10 welfg: ok Dec 24 15:23:17 welfg: google is your friend Dec 24 15:23:18 welfg: then you'll never know what meego is Dec 24 15:24:00 To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong. Dec 24 15:24:06 ok that is some linux trash Dec 24 15:24:09 welfg: try this: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. Dec 24 15:24:09 _mm_set_epi32 (__Z=-2830136, __Y=-2830136, __X=-2830136, __W=-2830136) Dec 24 15:24:10 at C:/MinGW/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/3.4.5/include/emmintri Dec 24 15:24:10 n.h:609 Dec 24 15:24:17 aah... wrong clipboard Dec 24 15:24:22 thiago: firefox get you too? Dec 24 15:24:23 never mind, you're a troll Dec 24 15:24:42 If an idea's worth having once, it's worth having twice. Dec 24 15:24:44 someone advertised of this channel in #freenode Dec 24 15:24:52 CosmoHill: no. It was a wrong shortcut. PRIMARY vs CLIPBOARD. Dec 24 15:24:56 complaining of some bot with cooL random quotes Dec 24 15:24:59 where is the spam bot ? Dec 24 15:25:10 how to receive spam ? Dec 24 15:25:24 welfg: please leave and take your bot with you Dec 24 15:26:21 It is wise to apply the oil of refined politeness to the mechanisms of friendship. Dec 24 15:26:26 advertised? hardly Dec 24 15:26:31 Hello. I'm following this guide http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd to restore my n900. I need to edit my etc/shells file, but I'm unable to type any char except litrals+'<'+'>'. Any option I can pass to flasher -b to set another kbd layout? Dec 24 15:26:39 reported s problem. Dec 24 15:27:04 There is only one you? Don't you dare change just because you're outnumbered! Dec 24 15:27:17 how to install meego in WM6.1 phone ? Dec 24 15:27:33 welfg: erase WM6.1 Dec 24 15:27:44 Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Dec 24 15:27:45 welfg: then use the flasher tool to install MeeGo Dec 24 15:28:24 but phone still has 2 months warranty remaining Dec 24 15:28:32 will do after tath Dec 24 15:29:02 how to use phone's GPS as GPS device for PC ? Dec 24 15:29:08 like usb-gps Dec 24 15:29:26 welfg: go to the phone manufacturer's website for more details Dec 24 15:29:50 It is when power is wedded to chronic fear that it becomes formidable. Dec 24 15:30:23 All people want is someone to listen. Dec 24 15:30:41 MindWarper, could you please stop spamming the # Dec 24 15:30:54 can someone turn off MindWarper ? Dec 24 15:30:54 Whoever gossips to you will gossip about you. Dec 24 15:31:15 Stskeeps: ping Dec 24 15:33:22 There is nothing like dream to create the future. Utopia to-day, flesh and blood tomorrow. Dec 24 15:33:59 * CosmoHill pokes jeremiah Dec 24 15:36:04 A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. Dec 24 15:36:09 MindWarper: That'll do. Dec 24 15:36:21 ASIfj Dec 24 15:36:30 so meego is an OS ? Dec 24 15:36:36 ho you didnt liked that last one did you ? Dec 24 15:36:41 welfg: go to meego.com to find out Dec 24 15:36:50 welfg: a Linux distribution for embedded devices Dec 24 15:36:53 MindWarper: what month were you born in? Dec 24 15:37:33 im sagitarian Dec 24 15:37:43 MindWarper: that's not a month Dec 24 15:38:23 MindWarper: which one is not a number: 1, seven, 28, cake Dec 24 15:38:33 meego is google's company/ Dec 24 15:38:48 no Dec 24 15:38:54 pretty much as anti-google as it can be Dec 24 15:38:57 welfg: if you want answers I suggest you get off your arse and look for them Dec 24 15:39:10 Im not a number Dec 24 15:40:02 meego = EPIC FAIL Dec 24 15:40:32 why? Dec 24 15:40:38 araujo: because MindWarper is a troll Dec 24 15:40:43 araujo: don't pay attention Dec 24 15:40:48 im just a fortune teller Dec 24 15:40:55 I see Dec 24 15:41:06 MindWarper: no, you're not. You're just a troll who annoys everyone. Dec 24 15:41:25 it's a bot with an controller who is probably in the channel watching Dec 24 15:42:26 welfg: why are you connected to Freenode's London server when you're IP says your in Australia? Dec 24 15:42:34 you're* Dec 24 15:42:45 CosmoHill: automatic connection Dec 24 15:42:53 i saw that in the site Dec 24 15:42:57 there must be a nearer server Dec 24 15:43:07 CosmoHill: not if you use automatic rotation Dec 24 15:43:23 doesn't really matter anyway Dec 24 15:43:36 all your words are belong to UK Dec 24 15:43:49 Download.MeeGo v1.1 for Netbooks (Google Chrome Browser) Dec 24 15:43:59 This release requires accepting the Google Chrome end user license agreement (EULA). Dec 24 15:44:20 looks like made by google Dec 24 15:44:23 whatever Dec 24 15:44:27 Chrome is made by google Dec 24 15:44:29 MeeGo isn't Dec 24 15:45:04 its an meego is a chromeOS apetizer Dec 24 15:45:27 meego is a chromeOS apetizer Dec 24 15:45:41 :p Dec 24 15:46:47 lukus is a HACKER Dec 24 15:47:32 puffin = HACKER Dec 24 15:47:41 another one Dec 24 15:47:47 ? Dec 24 15:48:02 they are the HACKERS MINIONS Dec 24 15:48:09 ! Dec 24 15:48:22 puffin: troll Dec 24 15:48:27 . Dec 24 15:48:30 :D Dec 24 15:48:32 MindWarper:, not you Dec 24 15:48:44 iHaCkEr Dec 24 15:49:36 i shut down pufin's puter Dec 24 15:49:48 whats meegos irc client ? Dec 24 15:49:59