**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 26 02:59:56 2010 Dec 26 03:02:28 anythoughts? :D Dec 26 03:05:42 sportman, i have plenty of thoughts. Dec 26 03:06:42 as for tablet ux, the closest is handset ux on my ideapad, but thats WIP too Dec 26 03:09:29 lol lcuk any in regards to if there is a touch specific version of meego? i could have sworn i saw a tablet preview video somewhere Dec 26 03:09:46 sportman, yeah Dec 26 03:09:49 youtube videos Dec 26 03:10:11 no official download it seems, is there public beta? Dec 26 03:10:22 but thats about as useful as a chocolate fireguard for actually building up a public system Dec 26 03:10:55 come back and tell me if you find it Dec 26 03:11:20 i have been looking Dec 26 03:11:26 so im guessing if google doesnt help me Dec 26 03:11:28 nothing will :-p Dec 26 03:11:44 meh Dec 26 03:12:04 but what is a tablet Dec 26 03:12:23 :-p Dec 26 03:12:31 a touch screen netbook / laptop Dec 26 03:12:36 tablet is a netbook without keyboard and with touchscreen ? only more expensive ? Dec 26 03:12:37 :-p Dec 26 03:12:47 pretty much Dec 26 03:12:57 does it have a defined size? Dec 26 03:13:08 nope Dec 26 03:13:16 http://exopc.com Dec 26 03:13:17 i just got the exopc slate Dec 26 03:13:29 I look 4' x 6' tablets Dec 26 03:13:35 s/look/like Dec 26 03:13:42 runs windows 7 pretty damn well, i was surprised, i am just itching for a sexy interface Dec 26 03:13:49 and that meego demo video i saw for tablets Dec 26 03:13:50 nice hw Dec 26 03:13:53 just made me drool Dec 26 03:14:00 yea this thing actually plays back video flawless Dec 26 03:14:05 iw as really impressed Dec 26 03:14:14 screen responds well and is a decent res Dec 26 03:14:34 im considering selling my laptop and just using a keyboard/kickstand with the tablet when i need to Dec 26 03:14:49 * lcuk would prefer consistent ux across the board from handheld to larger devices Dec 26 03:14:57 lcuk: that woudl be nice Dec 26 03:15:06 sportman, i have a lenovo ideapad running meego handset Dec 26 03:15:12 so have best of both Dec 26 03:15:26 keyboard built in and its own "stand" for hte screen :P Dec 26 03:15:27 lcuk: hows meego handset Dec 26 03:16:40 nice, but not perfect yet, with each patch and fix and tweak that people report and fix its getting stronger Dec 26 03:17:02 do you suggest i give that a try over the meego netbook on this thing? Dec 26 03:17:04 its nice to see same stuff running on my n900 as on the ideapad Dec 26 03:17:12 well it came with netbook Dec 26 03:17:26 but because of the way meego is built, switching ux is feasible Dec 26 03:17:30 ah Dec 26 03:17:33 cool Dec 26 03:17:42 and some of the hackers have put together a guide - to put handset alongside the netbook Dec 26 03:17:43 im just trying to get that happy medium Dec 26 03:17:47 im consiering dual boot Dec 26 03:17:54 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops Dec 26 03:18:05 well I didn't consider that an option for a working laptop Dec 26 03:18:10 cause to be honest android / ipad tablets seem too cumbership Dec 26 03:18:16 cumbersome Dec 26 03:18:28 i want something more touch friendly but productive Dec 26 03:18:33 something i can take to a consultation Dec 26 03:18:38 and actually draw out shit for clients Dec 26 03:18:50 and then make a touch friendly crm app for Dec 26 03:19:06 draw out shit? Dec 26 03:19:24 like draw quick sketches or diagrams Dec 26 03:19:25 which app (in any OS) do you use for that Dec 26 03:19:46 hell paint works for quiick stuff Dec 26 03:19:46 lol Dec 26 03:19:55 but one note Dec 26 03:19:59 for widnows works well Dec 26 03:20:18 how do you find finger painting? Dec 26 03:21:33 (or is your slate also stylus enabled?) Dec 26 03:22:19 sportman: if you still have w7starter, upgrade Dec 26 03:22:29 one of the other versions provides much better tablet features Dec 26 03:22:34 * timeless_mbp is too cheap to pay for it Dec 26 03:24:10 timeless_mbp, on the windows 7 allinone here there doesn't appear to be extra tablet oriented features Dec 26 03:24:24 what specifically is added that makes it more tabletesq) Dec 26 03:24:42 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/tablet-pc Dec 26 03:25:47 o_O the handwriting looks to be pen based Dec 26 03:26:00 there's also a better osk Dec 26 03:26:31 timeless_mbp, yeah, but looking at the ideapad specifically i had to change my handwriting style completely Dec 26 03:26:40 http://liqbase.net/20101123_003.jpg Dec 26 03:26:53 make it more like chalkboard Dec 26 03:27:43 * timeless_mbp can't find any good hits for the other keyboard Dec 26 03:27:53 other than a reference that it includes prediction Dec 26 03:28:43 http://res2.windows.microsoft.com/resbox/en/Windows%207/main/a/f/afa47903-5c66-4dc6-aec9-8ce0de843919/afa47903-5c66-4dc6-aec9-8ce0de843919.jpg like that? Dec 26 03:30:17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_9V0_WundA Dec 26 03:30:32 bef0rd: yeah Dec 26 03:38:48 lcuk: stylus enabled Dec 26 03:39:10 sportman, capacitive too? Dec 26 03:39:32 nah Dec 26 03:39:36 yea Dec 26 03:39:46 nice Dec 26 03:39:47 capacitive stylus Dec 26 03:39:52 actually Dec 26 03:39:53 so its not like super sexy Dec 26 03:39:54 * lcuk shudders Dec 26 03:39:57 but it works surprisingly well Dec 26 03:40:04 i can use handwriting recognition with it Dec 26 03:40:23 timeless_mbp: its windows home premium Dec 26 03:40:30 any problems with resting your wrist whilst writing? Dec 26 03:40:44 yes Dec 26 03:40:49 i jsut got it today Dec 26 03:40:54 sportman: ah Dec 26 03:40:55 so im hoping to find some sort of update to fix that Dec 26 03:41:01 or get used to not resting my wrist Dec 26 03:41:10 after a little practice not resting my wrist wasnt too bad Dec 26 03:41:12 sportman, known issue with capacitive of any type Dec 26 03:41:20 but i know some capacitive tablets have a fix Dec 26 03:41:32 so there may be something that can be done Dec 26 03:41:48 cause once the wrist is resting it could just have it register the latest point of contact Dec 26 03:41:58 which would be the stylus Dec 26 03:42:06 * lcuk nods Dec 26 03:42:23 its non trivial though Dec 26 03:43:23 agreed Dec 26 03:43:32 but i believe there must be some sort of 3rd partty windows app Dec 26 03:43:35 that could fix it Dec 26 03:45:18 bbl Dec 26 03:45:21 good talking to u guys Dec 26 03:46:05 * lcuk giggles Dec 26 06:59:31 morning Dec 26 07:07:39 hi Dec 26 10:24:45 hi there Dec 26 10:25:19 my wlan card works (i can scan networks using a terminal), but meego (netbook-1.1) doesn't see it Dec 26 10:25:28 can someone help? Dec 26 10:25:55 hi guys. i read meego uses btrfs. i'm thinking about buying a n900, but as i would have to put customer information on it, i'd really need to crypt it.. anyone here has done that so far? Dec 26 10:27:53 KaZeR: have you checked this one: http://forum.meego.com/archive/index.php/t-1756.html Dec 26 10:29:56 doing right now, thanks kyb3R Dec 26 10:30:39 ahf, i saw it when testing ivi a few weeks ago Dec 26 10:52:00 bluenemo: luks? Dec 26 10:53:00 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=66997 Dec 26 10:53:13 ignoring the fact that you want to use meego instead of maemo.. Dec 26 10:53:33 hmm would entering the luks password from the console work on n900? Dec 26 10:53:49 * dm8tbr just bought one 5min ago on ebay, so doesn't know yet Dec 26 10:54:06 dm8tbr: there is no console Dec 26 10:54:08 so sure Dec 26 10:54:14 entering it on a unicorn would work too Dec 26 10:54:17 and just as well Dec 26 10:54:30 please remember share your unicorn when you get it Dec 26 10:54:54 sorry ate my can of unicorn meat already Dec 26 10:55:04 we had that for x-mas dinner Dec 26 10:55:06 i think it would require a live unicorn Dec 26 10:55:39 n.b. this is only relevant for maemo kernels Dec 26 10:55:44 meego is a different beast Dec 26 10:56:02 meego probably requires leprechauns instead Dec 26 10:56:33 anyway, it's mostly a pointless exercise Dec 26 10:56:48 once a device like the n900 is stolen, you can't trust it Dec 26 10:57:11 imagine i help you design a system where on boot you're asked for your luks passphrase Dec 26 10:57:25 and the system then magically mounts the luks volume Dec 26 10:58:01 it takes an attacker <5mins to borrow your device, root the kernel to install a key logger, and return your device Dec 26 10:58:35 sure physical access is full access Dec 26 10:58:38 the next time you turn on your device to enter your magic passphrase, the "special" kernel helpfully remembers your passphrase and will send it to the attacker eventually Dec 26 10:58:47 right, so, what's the point? Dec 26 10:58:52 why encrypt data on an n900? Dec 26 10:59:12 if you're worried about software from the outside, you're missing something Dec 26 10:59:27 if you're able to use the device, that means the data is already transparently mounted Dec 26 10:59:30 because corporate overlords require. otherwise I agree it's not stopping a determined attacker Dec 26 10:59:47 * timeless_mbp suggests finding better overlords Dec 26 11:00:33 ecryption doesnt help against software from the outside (if you mean while the n900 is running) Dec 26 11:00:40 keylogger: hashes ;) Dec 26 11:01:07 the *only* case encryption handles is the case where you have a random thief instead of an attacker Dec 26 11:01:24 but trust me, if someone wants your data, they're much more likely to go about it as an attacker than as a thief Dec 26 11:01:34 heck, even bank attacks these days are attack driven Dec 26 11:01:37 yeah i was thinking about loosing it - or what when i loose it, not that i want to intentially ;) Dec 26 11:01:48 you don't see a guy with a gun in european countries asking you for your wallet at the atm Dec 26 11:02:00 he just records your credentials for later use Dec 26 11:02:15 bluenemo: =~ s/loos/los/g Dec 26 11:02:25 loose = how would you like the rope around your neck? Dec 26 11:02:54 anyway, a better approach for lost devices is a phone home feature Dec 26 11:03:03 * bluenemo doesnt get a thing :) Dec 26 11:03:07 phone home feature? Dec 26 11:03:10 let them do geotagging, photo sharing Dec 26 11:03:11 yes Dec 26 11:03:16 ah ok Dec 26 11:03:16 exactly Dec 26 11:03:23 let your phone call you and say "hi, i'm hear, come get me" Dec 26 11:03:29 yeah i got that, thx Dec 26 11:03:34 s/hear/here/ Dec 26 11:03:35 if you want your phone to self destruct as part of phone home, go for it Dec 26 11:03:42 dm8tbr: oops, thanks :) Dec 26 11:03:44 xD :) Dec 26 11:03:44 :) Dec 26 11:03:46 np Dec 26 11:03:47 lol Dec 26 11:04:03 hey, i didn't say i was perfect Dec 26 11:04:11 ah, yess the trusty remote triggered HCF instruction ;) Dec 26 11:04:27 * timeless_mbp notes that MfE supports requiring that Dec 26 11:04:39 but anyway, phone home makes a lot more sense Dec 26 11:04:45 it's *useful* instead of overhead Dec 26 11:04:50 do you guys got that on your devices? Dec 26 11:04:57 * timeless_mbp ponders Dec 26 11:04:59 sorta Dec 26 11:05:07 my n900 can log into gmail Dec 26 11:05:11 i'm building a car pc at the moment with that.. Dec 26 11:05:12 and gmail can tell me where it was Dec 26 11:05:21 ah ok i c Dec 26 11:05:28 nice idea to do it via mail Dec 26 11:05:45 well, what i mean is that gmail logs access and gives you a list of ip's Dec 26 11:05:47 I'm most likely going to put an APRSd on mine. that will do pretty much the same Dec 26 11:06:02 possibly SMS as backup? Dec 26 11:06:18 anyway, i'm not selling a specific phone home solution Dec 26 11:06:32 just saying that it's the right solution for the problem someone wants addressed Dec 26 11:07:01 oh, and i do know people who've recovered their n900s by sending messages to them asking for them to come home Dec 26 11:07:03 http://aprs.fi/?call=a%2FDM8TBR-12 - hmm haven't logged in for a while :D Dec 26 11:07:23 dm8tbr: shiny Dec 26 11:08:15 yes, it predates all those internet based solutions and is amateur radio only. still very useful especially as it does gateway to the internet too Dec 26 11:08:42 hm so /home and /home/foo (28gb) can be crypted. thanks for the help :) Dec 26 11:09:22 if I would be the attacker, ones I get the phone, I'll probably would put it offline. Dec 26 11:09:29 btw if its crypted & stolen & the power fails it wont phone home xD Dec 26 11:10:03 * kyb3R can't 'do' English, sorry Dec 26 11:39:32 * alterego takes advantage of his parents broadband and mirrors meego handset and netbook repositories. Dec 26 12:19:24 I was trying to deploy an app on MeeGo using the qemu image.But when I debug it,I get the following error. http://pastebin.ca/2029718 Dec 26 12:25:14 anybody? Dec 26 12:25:32 fish_sticks: does the file exist inside the package? Dec 26 12:32:12 thiago: package meaning? Dec 26 12:32:14 the rpm? Dec 26 12:32:23 yes Dec 26 12:32:50 let me check Dec 26 12:33:16 yes it does Dec 26 12:33:46 do you have that file somewhere out of the rpm? Dec 26 12:34:03 nope Dec 26 12:34:09 only one inside the rpm Dec 26 12:34:21 check your build dir Dec 26 12:34:26 no wait Dec 26 12:34:28 its there Dec 26 12:34:36 its inside my instroot Dec 26 12:36:18 thiago: now it tells me there's a problem with my gdbserver Dec 26 12:36:37 didnt make any changes.it says gdbserver not found Dec 26 12:36:56 -bash: gdbserver: command not found Dec 26 12:38:59 install gdbserver on your target image Dec 26 12:39:10 the raw file? Dec 26 12:40:50 huh? Dec 26 12:40:57 just install gdbserver on the target Dec 26 12:41:09 okay Dec 26 12:41:34 it still says the same thing Dec 26 12:41:37 even after installing Dec 26 12:41:54 readelf -d the binary or gdbserver Dec 26 12:42:12 look at the interpreter line. Does that file exist inside the image? Dec 26 12:42:29 I didnt get you Dec 26 12:42:55 got it Dec 26 12:43:22 what do you mean "file exist inside the image?" Dec 26 12:44:16 I will pastebin the output of readelf -d binary Dec 26 12:44:45 http://pastebin.ca/2029740 Dec 26 12:44:57 i hate snow Dec 26 12:49:05 wrong command, sorry Dec 26 12:49:11 readelf -l Dec 26 12:49:15 okay one sec Dec 26 12:50:05 http://pastebin.ca/2029750 Dec 26 12:51:20 does that file exist inside the image? Dec 26 12:51:39 image meaning the rpm?yes it does Dec 26 12:51:48 no Dec 26 12:51:53 then? Dec 26 12:51:54 does the interpreter exist inside the image? Dec 26 12:52:07 I didnt get you Dec 26 12:52:09 sorry Dec 26 12:52:44 and I'm out of time Dec 26 12:52:46 good bye Dec 26 13:02:24 howdy Dec 26 13:04:50 are there any meego phones available currently? Dec 26 13:08:22 heikki_: No, no phones are shipped with Meego. For development, Nokia N900 and Intel Aava platform is decently supported Dec 26 13:08:26 heikki_: ei varsinaisesti, N900 saa asennettua Dec 26 13:10:21 channel language policy: community related stuff always in English, other issues English/Finnish Dec 26 13:10:38 just to let you know Dec 26 13:10:59 hups Dec 26 13:11:01 :) Dec 26 13:11:15 wrong chan... Dec 26 13:11:58 kanavapoliisin korkki narahtanut joulun kunniaksi Dec 26 13:12:15 I Apologize Dec 26 13:13:23 I don't need alcohol to make mistakes :) it's natural... Dec 26 13:35:01 kyb3R: hey :) Dec 26 13:47:31 sivang: hi Dec 26 13:53:09 hello, how can i upgrade from meego 1.0 to 1.1? Dec 26 14:06:19 hi Dec 26 14:10:12 Does anyone here know how to install the meego's SDK on archlinux ? Dec 26 14:37:20 CHAT ONLINE, PLAY GAME, MAKE MONEY, GO TO http://letikfor.webs.com/ Dec 26 14:38:37 NavBot: GET BANNED FOR FREE ON #MEEGO! Dec 26 15:08:58 hi @ all Dec 26 15:09:16 i just try meego 1.1 on netbook aspire one Dec 26 15:09:25 all works great Dec 26 15:09:55 only one thing, my USB HUAWEI E169 don't recognize Dec 26 15:10:26 can anyone halpme? Dec 26 15:10:31 helpme? Dec 26 15:10:35 ;) Dec 26 15:10:54 is there anybody in there? Dec 26 15:11:03 ;) Dec 26 15:11:08 no one here but us chickens Dec 26 15:12:00 bwwaaaaak Dec 26 15:12:04 ;) Dec 26 15:12:23 guest44444: there is no usb-modem support yet in 1.1 Dec 26 15:13:13 ok, nativetly not, but if we following this: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ Dec 26 15:13:30 I'm sorry for my english Dec 26 15:21:36 thanks kallam Dec 26 15:22:44 when Modem HDSPA will be supported natively Dec 26 15:22:50 ? Dec 26 15:25:23 ;( Dec 26 15:25:58 guest44444: could you /nick something Dec 26 15:26:20 the general answer in open source projects to "when will be implemented?" is "when *you* implement it" Dec 26 15:26:39 (or when someone else gets around to doing it, whichever comes first) Dec 26 15:27:17 my name is Andrea Dec 26 15:27:32 i have never use irc, this is my first time Dec 26 15:27:41 http://irchelp.org/ Dec 26 15:28:23 thanks for your info, Dec 26 15:29:27 but I'm not a developer, but only one sad user of XP for my netbook Dec 26 15:30:13 so today I try this OS Dec 26 15:30:24 very good OS... Dec 26 15:31:56 guest44444: you could find a local MeeGo Network near you and participate/get involved... Dec 26 15:32:43 see http://wiki.meego.com/Local_MeeGo_Networks Dec 26 15:34:16 as always Italy late ;( Dec 26 15:36:43 its still early to join meego, anywhere in the world Dec 26 15:38:22 berndhs: why? Dec 26 15:38:43 not too early, just early Dec 26 15:39:00 ah :) Dec 26 15:39:15 if you join a local meego network, you'll be ahead of the commercial offerings Dec 26 15:39:37 any user experience even in the early stages is always good Dec 26 15:39:50 sure Dec 26 15:41:33 thanks for your help Dec 26 15:41:44 might be painful experience for the developers, but still useful Dec 26 15:41:44 thanks @ all Dec 26 15:42:15 Andrea Dec 26 17:03:53 hi Dec 26 17:06:11 morning Venemo Dec 26 17:06:12 hi or Dec 26 17:06:15 Ofir, Dec 26 17:06:26 good morning lcuk :) Dec 26 17:06:32 what's up? Dec 26 17:07:09 just pondering where to go for a meal tonight Dec 26 17:07:33 refrigerator ? Dec 26 17:08:32 berndhs, :P Dec 26 17:09:43 can any1 assist me regarding to meego netbook app package? Dec 26 17:10:10 Ofir, whats up with it Dec 26 17:11:08 how can i change the the installation path from /usr/local/bin to other? Dec 26 17:13:59 hmm Ofir idk, did you make the package yourself? or is it one on the repositories? Dec 26 17:14:09 hey spyro, how goes christmas for you? Dec 26 17:14:57 anyone got an recent netbook image? I'd need to know something about the kernel cmdline. Dec 26 17:15:13 does it have the keyword 'quiet' twice in it? Dec 26 17:16:38 dm8tbr, how would i know and how recent do you need it to be Dec 26 17:17:00 lcuk: cat /proc/cmdline Dec 26 17:17:18 lcuk: I'll take whatever you have. preferably 1.1.80-... Dec 26 17:17:47 or press tab tab while booting Dec 26 17:18:57 no, quiet is only there once Dec 26 17:19:53 lcuk: ok, what version is it? Dec 26 17:20:12 there is a file in /etc that contains this information Dec 26 17:21:37 might be that only netbook qemu image has that problem Dec 26 17:22:29 dm8tbr, Dec 26 17:22:38 $ cat /etc/meego-release Dec 26 17:22:38 MeeGo release 1.1 (MeeGo) Dec 26 17:22:38 BUILD: meego-netbook-ia32-1110 Dec 26 17:22:44 thats a bit out of date Dec 26 17:22:49 but i havent reflashed since Dec 26 17:22:52 so assume its still right Dec 26 17:22:55 ah, no problem Dec 26 17:33:23 bug 11756 Dec 26 17:33:26 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11756 tri, Undecided, 1.1.80.11, yong.y.wang, NEW, 'quiet' appears twice in the kernel cmdline for ia32-qemu netbook images Dec 26 17:46:26 dm8tbr: cute Dec 26 17:47:53 I admit the impact is rather low, still I noticed it :) Dec 26 17:52:55 dm8tbr: ha, nice Dec 26 17:54:09 .ÚÆËÅ Dec 26 17:54:11 err :) Dec 26 18:24:41 Alexander Stepanovich Popov Dec 26 18:24:56 why did you choose him e-yes? Dec 26 18:26:22 oops wrong channel. Dec 26 18:27:27 he made something really useful using radio:) Dec 26 18:28:37 * lcuk rummages around for a replacement meego image for his ideapad :) Dec 26 18:35:26 lcuk: let me know if the new one has a double-quiet ;) Dec 26 18:35:37 heh will do Dec 26 18:36:13 i have to backup stuff first and make sure I can get this back working Dec 26 18:36:39 oh how I wish there was a reverse flasher available Dec 26 18:36:42 try an usb-stick first? Dec 26 18:37:00 something to take machine contents as they stand now and produce a flashable image of them Dec 26 18:37:23 dm8tbr, the places I am looking may not have usb stick builds available :) Dec 26 18:38:19 an sda image should also work using an usb-stick :) Dec 26 19:03:07 Got an extended-life battery for N900 for Christmas: yeah! Ok, I had to give Santa a little hint that the battery was a better gift than a set of sake glassware. Dec 26 19:04:15 Alison_Chaiken, it will be even better once we get fuel cells in our mobiles that can accept sake or any other alcohol! Dec 26 19:04:27 but what capacity/model of extended battery did you get? Dec 26 19:09:43 lcuk: sake in the battery? that's acohol abuse Dec 26 19:11:58 * timoph waits for fission batteries Dec 26 19:13:40 Indeed lcuk, having a breakdown would become much more bearable if we just needed to carry some mixers in our emergency kit. Dec 26 19:15:15 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Trinity-Audio-Group-Indamixx-2-ships/ Dec 26 19:52:27 lcuk, I got the Mugen extended life battery. Somebody here on meego IRC recommended it. Dec 26 19:53:09 my n900 will come with second battery. that will have to do for now :) Dec 26 19:57:32 does n900 supports 32gb micro sd ? Dec 26 20:00:58 http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/1532657/nokia-n900 ? Dec 26 20:01:04 van_: Yes, IIRC Dec 26 20:01:25 thanks Dec 26 20:01:36 van_: google would have answered that faster than irc... Dec 26 20:02:52 awesome n900 Dec 26 20:26:04 will be posible to install meego in main memory ? Dec 26 20:29:11 currently not recommended Dec 26 20:30:07 wait 1.3 version ? Dec 26 20:41:13 van_: well it's not a full replacement for the original OS so installing it on the emmc is not the best idea. especially as going back would be non-trivial for most users Dec 26 20:41:58 agree Dec 26 20:43:12 I only know it in theory, but flashing a kernel that exports the emmc via usb and doing this using flasher might not be such an easy task Dec 26 20:43:42 i like main os, just wanted chance of this combo Dec 26 20:43:48 thanks Dec 26 20:44:12 if you really want to it is possible somehow. I heard only few people have ever done it though. Dec 26 20:44:54 dont want break my device Dec 26 20:46:36 then better use the µSD card :) Dec 26 20:47:03 but when guarantee will be over Dec 26 20:47:12 maybe i'll try this Dec 26 20:47:26 :) Dec 26 20:52:01 AFAIK you can always recover a n900 Dec 26 20:52:04 using flasher Dec 26 20:53:20 after deleting event.d i know this sw Dec 26 20:53:26 :/ Dec 26 20:56:31 last question-- is any chance for new firmware for this device ? Dec 26 21:02:45 van_: guess not Dec 26 21:03:00 maemo5 is officially dead Dec 26 21:03:13 so bad Dec 26 21:04:37 but then again, community is still very vital Dec 26 21:09:30 but qt provides compatibility between maemo5 and meego ? Dec 26 21:12:04 a carefully written qt application using the qt api is trivially cross compatible yes Dec 26 21:12:44 but just the same as with any cross platform toolkit, once you step outside and start using dedicated OS shortcut methods and break the paradigm Dec 26 21:12:47 it becomes harder Dec 26 21:14:08 this is where something like qt-mobility comes in to provide a standard api that can be carried between devices for many of the important user centric operations Dec 26 21:14:49 yes qt-mobility is the future way to go Dec 26 21:15:06 starting next week maybe ? Dec 26 21:15:15 * lcuk also REALLY pleased to see early qt bugs fixed Dec 26 21:15:24 (which were originally marked out of scope) Dec 26 21:15:29 QT-BUG7 for instance Dec 26 21:15:32 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7 nor, Low, 1.0, robsta, VERI FIXED, the items are not fully scrolled up when the first time a category is clicked Dec 26 21:15:55 QTBUG-7 even Dec 26 21:15:57 http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7 Dec 26 21:16:39 berndhs, start now, and if you encounter a limitation in the available mobility apis, seek out and discuss with the mobility guys Dec 26 21:16:50 and try to find a nice way to deal with it Dec 26 21:17:01 the point actually is that qt-mobility is moving kinda slow into main Qt Dec 26 21:17:11 sure Dec 26 21:17:30 so there is still a fair bit of stuff that you can use from qt-mobility preview type releases that you can't ship right now Dec 26 21:17:36 and thats right thing to do once they are in shape :) Dec 26 21:17:54 yes very true, but you dont know when you can ship any of it Dec 26 21:18:25 when you build a hotel Dec 26 21:18:31 or any construction really Dec 26 21:18:38 theres people working on many aspects Dec 26 21:18:46 hopefully the timing of people will match Dec 26 21:18:52 sure Dec 26 21:18:56 but sometimes the plasterers are idling waiting for the sparks Dec 26 21:19:16 the only problem is that I am not privy to any of the timing from Qt's plans Dec 26 21:19:32 i dont know if stuff will be mainstream in a month or in a year Dec 26 21:19:48 so I can't plan anything Dec 26 21:19:54 well qt is moving towards open governance and has most of the items roadmappd Dec 26 21:20:30 i dont think there is much info about telepathy-qt4 for example Dec 26 21:20:54 there is a really outdated meego rpm that nobody is using Dec 26 21:21:08 there is nothing at all in fedora, no package Dec 26 21:21:38 so many really good things are in the pipeline, and I don't know if I can use them Dec 26 21:22:13 but we'll see Dec 26 21:24:56 hope community don't forget n900 Dec 26 21:24:59 :) Dec 26 21:26:06 berndhs, what specifically are you waiting for in telepathy Dec 26 21:26:45 i want to do basic muti protocol chat Dec 26 21:26:58 and I don't want to pacakge telepathy-qt4 Dec 26 21:27:13 there is no fedora package, and I don't know if there is an opensuse package Dec 26 21:27:36 so its packaging rather than code as far as you know? Dec 26 21:27:51 its pacakging of a reasonable version Dec 26 21:28:03 the meego version is more than a year old I think Dec 26 21:28:25 and its substantially different from more current versions Dec 26 21:29:35 have you brought this up with specific #telepathy devs (or mentioned it to any other collabora guys than me) before now? Dec 26 21:29:57 I asked of there, they don't know anything about it Dec 26 21:30:18 or the people who happened to be in the channel at the time Dec 26 21:30:27 thanks for understanding Dec 26 21:30:32 best regards Dec 26 21:31:22 someone said KDE is using it, but they seem to have telepathy-kde for themselves Dec 26 21:31:50 berndhs, checkbugs.meego and see if any specific requests for later packages are there Dec 26 21:32:30 if not, file a specific bug for what you know is latest possible and requesting packaging thereof and I will try to ensure it ends up with the right person Dec 26 21:32:38 i looked last week, only one person complaining that its too old :) Dec 26 21:32:46 so you make 2 Dec 26 21:32:52 did you vote for the bug? :) Dec 26 21:33:00 thre is a project called "peregrine" that uses it Dec 26 21:33:04 or post links when you mentioned it :P Dec 26 21:33:24 don't remember if I voted last week, its all hazy :) Dec 26 21:33:52 refind the bug and post a link Dec 26 21:33:53 :) Dec 26 21:34:00 i'll go look Dec 26 21:34:04 (helps context for people looking in future also Dec 26 21:34:11 yes Dec 26 21:35:54 so do some people look at votes? Dec 26 21:43:10 dm8tbr, sure Dec 26 21:43:11 http://bugs.meego.com/report.cgi?x_axis_field=votes&y_axis_field=classification&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&deadlinefrom=&deadlineto=&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&vo Dec 26 21:43:11 tes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&format=table&action=wrap&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= Dec 26 21:43:14 arghh Dec 26 21:43:22 http://bugs.meego.com/query.cgi?format=report-table Dec 26 21:43:41 select grid axis including vote in one column Dec 26 21:43:45 and watch your favorite Dec 26 21:44:09 46 people have voted for multiuser support :P Dec 26 21:44:12 all on the same computer :P Dec 26 21:45:40 status/votes is quite informative Dec 26 21:45:46 many bugs still in NEW status Dec 26 21:46:12 i dont understand the status progression Dec 26 21:46:30 does NEW mean the triage people haven't looked at it ? Dec 26 21:46:42 thats what I take it as Dec 26 21:46:47 hmm there's a total of 451 votes Dec 26 21:46:52 because once someone has it in their plate to fix, its ASSIGNED Dec 26 21:47:29 I agree though, there could be a state between new and assigned where its been confirmed as a problem Dec 26 21:47:47 but nobody actively looking at it Dec 26 21:48:39 BMO has 30k votes... Dec 26 21:48:47 there is some stuff where I am sure work is going on in the closed areas Dec 26 21:52:07 is DSME going to be used for process monitoring in MeeGo? Dec 26 22:08:24 idk smoku Dec 26 22:09:07 berndhs, there always is, but if the open bugs are not checked and completed when the closed stuff comes to be released it will not work as expected? Dec 26 22:10:17 its just more missing information, it can look like an "open" bug is ignored, when it may be fixed in a "closed" part Dec 26 22:10:35 then its not fixed. Dec 26 22:10:43 and then the fix timing can be determined by when related "closed" things are released Dec 26 22:11:11 but this is just speculation Dec 26 22:11:43 this is why with bugs you find simple lowest common denominator Dec 26 22:11:50 and reproduce bug in open system Dec 26 22:11:56 or make a test case which does Dec 26 22:12:10 it eases later regression testing Dec 26 22:12:45 see bug 10532 Dec 26 22:12:48 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10532 nor, Medium, ---, yan.i.li, NEW, No audio input from microphone on meegoconf netbook Dec 26 22:12:53 when I first heard about it Dec 26 22:13:01 I thaught that MeeGo is not going to repeat Maemo closed vs. open bugzilla disaster, and all official components are going to be developed in the open only. Dec 26 22:13:03 I heard from people who had skype or other complex methods Dec 26 22:13:25 lowest common denominator is going to the open source control panel and looking at the VU meter it has for verification Dec 26 22:13:48 and I thought it was just my computer that didnt do audio :) Dec 26 22:13:51 smoku, yes that is the intent Dec 26 22:13:55 berndhs, VOTE Dec 26 22:14:15 it got its importance raised already Dec 26 22:14:18 its a release blocker Dec 26 22:14:25 but it needs to be fixed Dec 26 22:14:29 for ALL applications to work Dec 26 22:14:51 yeah including mine :) Dec 26 22:34:33 berndhs, whats your project? Dec 26 22:34:39 and does it have meego rpm available? Dec 26 22:36:25 I have "egalite" which is in my home:earthling repo Dec 26 22:36:30 and some other stuff Dec 26 22:36:54 its based on another library for XMPP now, I want to re-base it on telepathy Dec 26 22:38:09 how would earthlings actually gain access to your earthling repository Dec 26 22:38:27 and are there any other interesting amusing things in there that would be helpful Dec 26 22:38:34 its not public ? Dec 26 22:39:32 https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Aearthling Dec 26 22:39:46 When you create a .spec for the rpm package there is a "Group:" field there. Where do I find a list of valid values for MeeGo? Dec 26 22:40:21 berndhs, the reason why I ask Dec 26 22:40:26 when people in maemo mention projects Dec 26 22:40:33 theres nice web sharable links to information Dec 26 22:40:45 in obs, people merely give repo reference by name :) Dec 26 22:40:49 it makes it less useful Dec 26 22:41:06 i though home:earthling was the name of it :) Dec 26 22:41:13 indeed Dec 26 22:41:36 i have websites for all this stuff on sourceforge Dec 26 22:42:02 http://berndhs.users.sourceforge.net/ Dec 26 22:42:46 cool beans berndhs Dec 26 22:43:46 typically something in the availabel tools annoys me, and I go make one myself Dec 26 22:44:34 * lcuk nods Dec 26 22:46:15 berndhs, how long have you been Qt hacker? (seems a while) Dec 26 22:46:40 a year maybe, I forget Dec 26 23:12:35 Hi. I'm trying to follow the recipe found on the wiki for running meego on an n900. I've installed the image to an mmc and managed to send over the kernel using flasher. now, all I get is "Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p1". Anybody have any idea as to what goes wrong? Dec 26 23:13:25 (the version is meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.11.20101221) Dec 26 23:13:52 what file system does the image have? Dec 26 23:14:12 fdv: you closed the back of the device? Dec 26 23:15:23 dm8tbr: yep, and when I open or close it, I get a message Dec 26 23:16:19 you wrote the image to the raw device? Dec 26 23:16:19 hi Dec 26 23:16:27 does meego have repos? Dec 26 23:16:28 dm8tbr: yep Dec 26 23:16:47 could be something wrong with the card or image, I guess, is there a way to verify that the image / card looks ok? Dec 26 23:16:49 whem will meego tablet will see the light? Dec 26 23:30:13 btw, all checksums came out all right Dec 26 23:45:41 When you create a .spec for the rpm package there is a "Group:" field there. Where do I find a list of valid values for MeeGo? Dec 27 00:10:59 dm8tbr: pebkac. I messed up and only wrote the image to the first partition of the mmc. thanks for your input Dec 27 01:47:12 i find it remarkable that the nokia devices used in the tron movie were using symbian and not the hackers favourite linux/meego o_O Dec 27 01:51:16 * lcuk wants meego tron ux now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 27 02:59:57 2010