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Dec 29 06:23:43 <reethu> hi. when i am trying to do a meego-sdk-chroot on the meego sdk image[.raw file], i am getting error "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory". Can somebody help me with this?
Dec 29 10:13:40 <voyager_za> anyone have any luck with realtek 8192 wifi driver?
Dec 29 10:14:35 <voyager_za> I can modprobe it and there's some output in dmesg, but then iwconfig does not show it
Dec 29 10:53:33 <Stskeeps> lbt_away: you're going on holiday? wow
Dec 29 10:57:54 <lbt_away> Stskeeps: amazing ... but yes... and I don't think there's any connection!
Dec 29 10:58:19 <lbt_away> back to the net on the 6th though
Dec 29 10:58:37 <lbt_away> taxi's here
Dec 29 10:58:46 <lbt_away> Happy New Year everyone ;)
Dec 29 11:01:01 <sandst1> happy new year
Dec 29 12:30:02 <tcs-meego> Hi, I am trying to place a transparent overlay widget over an existing widget, but its opening in a different DISPLAY than the main widget.. what am i missing?
Dec 29 13:24:29 <CosmoHill> yay, Reading are in the playoffs :D
Dec 29 13:37:59 <megabast> hi all, someone has alreayd had this problem when compiling nbtk : Couldn't find include 'PangoCairo-1.0.gir' (search path: ['/usr/share/gir-1.0', '/usr/share/gir-1.0', '/usr/share/gir-1.0']) ?
Dec 29 13:38:28 <megabast>  I Have gobject-introspection-devel installed on my systeme
Dec 29 16:03:37 <Iraqi> is can install meego on htc desire a8181?
Dec 29 16:03:56 <CosmoHill> not yet
Dec 29 16:04:17 <CosmoHill> the only way at the moment is the very hard way of porting MeeGo to it
Dec 29 16:04:18 <Iraqi> to be double boot with android
Dec 29 16:05:14 <Iraqi> so is there any OS can install on htc desire?
Dec 29 16:05:45 <CosmoHill> not that I'm aware of but I'm not really a phone person
Dec 29 16:08:21 <lcuk> Iraqi, its not that it cannot be installed: its that nobody has attempted it yet.  if you are skilled enough, perhaps you can :)
Dec 29 16:10:25 <Iraqi> how much size meego for  phone?
Dec 29 16:11:01 <Iraqi> let me test it if work or damage my phone ;)
Dec 29 16:12:04 <Iraqi> meego is installing by pc or online or offline on phone?
Dec 29 16:33:48 <lcuk> CosmoHill, are you going anywhere for New Year?
Dec 29 16:34:03 <lcuk> likewise others? any decent parties going on near you?
Dec 29 16:34:08 <CosmoHill> nope, family are coming over for my dad's 50th birthday
Dec 29 16:35:18 <lcuk> birthday on Jan 1st?
Dec 29 16:39:01 <CosmoHill> yep
Dec 29 17:17:14 <flavio> how can I add missing libraries to my local meego sdk? I can install these libraries into the emulator using zypper but I would like to be able to build my program also on my development machine
Dec 29 17:24:23 <lcuk> flavio, exactly the same way
Dec 29 17:24:36 <lcuk> "zypper se [package]"  should tell you whether its available
Dec 29 17:24:44 <lcuk> dev packages are [package]-devel
Dec 29 17:25:00 <lcuk> "sudo zypper in [package]-devel" usually gets it added :)
Dec 29 17:30:05 <flavio> lcuk: I want to install the development package inside of the development chroot
Dec 29 17:30:17 <flavio> I do not want to install it inside of the emulator
Dec 29 17:30:27 <flavio> I want it on the host system
Dec 29 17:39:00 <flavio> lcuk: do you know what I mean? maybe I just confused you...
Dec 29 17:46:17 <lcuk> flavio, you did not confuse me
Dec 29 17:46:23 <lcuk> what prevents you doing what I just said
Dec 29 17:46:30 <lcuk> I build libmeegotouch directly on my meego install
Dec 29 17:46:43 <lcuk> and other things
Dec 29 17:47:14 <flavio> lcuk: I do not want to build it inside of the emulator, I want to build it on my host machine, so that I can also package the final app
Dec 29 17:48:13 <flavio> lcuk: I could package the app using meego's obs but I don't have an account. Unfortunately lbt_away is away (according to the wiki he's the one in charge of obs)
Dec 29 17:48:21 <lcuk> flavio, packing for other systems is different to building
Dec 29 17:48:40 <berndhs> flavio: you want to install lib-meego-something on a host that is not meego ?
Dec 29 17:48:50 <flavio> berndhs: yep
Dec 29 17:50:02 <flavio> berndhs: I need to install both qjson-devel and marble-devel inside of the chroot of my host machine. So that I can work on my code using meego-qtcreator, build the code and run/debug it inside of the emulator
Dec 29 17:50:24 <berndhs> qjson is available on pretty much everything I think
Dec 29 17:50:29 <berndhs> I don't know about marble
Dec 29 17:51:16 <flavio> berndhs: I'm using openSUSE 11.3 and they are both available but they are not visible to meego-sdk-qmake
Dec 29 17:51:59 <berndhs> i doint have experience with the SDK, its weird :P
Dec 29 17:52:22 <flavio> it seems that developing inside the emulator is the best solution
Dec 29 17:52:48 <berndhs> yeah but that is separate from host stuff you wanted
Dec 29 17:52:58 <berndhs> inside the emulator is outside the host
Dec 29 17:53:42 <flavio> berndhs: yeah, I know but it seems the only solution
Dec 29 18:42:10 <balor> Fun install issue - My superblock was mounted at UTC, the system time was then subsequently set to UTC-1.  Now, on boot, you go into maintainence mode.
Dec 29 18:42:28 <thiago> huh?
Dec 29 18:42:34 <thiago> times are always stored in UTC
Dec 29 18:43:09 <balor> thiago: hmm....I wonder where the issue is coming from then
Dec 29 18:43:24 <DocScrutinizer> ~ping
Dec 29 18:43:27 <thiago> you can change the clock backwards
Dec 29 18:43:32 <thiago> but times are always stored in UTC
Dec 29 18:43:38 <thiago> DocScrutinizer: what was that supposed to do?
Dec 29 18:43:42 <thiago> there shouldn't be bots here
Dec 29 18:43:43 <smoku> http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10260 - "It's broken by desing and it will stay like this".  Cool.
Dec 29 18:44:03 <DocScrutinizer> test if infobot aka apt aka ibot is actually here
Dec 29 18:44:14 <balor> thiago: So the timestamp (in UTC) is being compared to the clock (UTC-1) and it has only been 10 mins since install..thus the superblock is timestamped in the future
Dec 29 18:44:22 <thiago> balor: no, the clock is UTC
Dec 29 18:44:27 <DocScrutinizer> there's a problem with the bot since some 2 days
Dec 29 18:44:46 <thiago> balor: like I said, everything is UTC
Dec 29 18:44:46 <balor> thiago: Ah.  I wonder where the timestamp came from then
Dec 29 18:44:53 <RST38h> smoku: You can write "hates meego ui" in the meego bugtracker. It is negative and non-constructive.
Dec 29 18:45:04 <RST38h> s/ca/cannot
Dec 29 18:45:04 <DocScrutinizer> thiago: there shouldn't be bots here?
Dec 29 18:45:20 <thiago> balor: it can be that you store your hardware clock in local time (due to legacy operating systems) and your local time setting is wrong
Dec 29 18:45:24 <thiago> balor: or the clock is wrong
Dec 29 18:45:28 <thiago> DocScrutinizer: not that I know of
Dec 29 18:45:36 <smoku> RST38h, this is exactly how I felt dealing with netbook ui
Dec 29 18:45:39 <Stskeeps> smoku: writes or sends a message?
Dec 29 18:45:44 <DocScrutinizer> I doubt that applies to infobot, as it tries to join channels only when chanop applies for that with Tim Riker
Dec 29 18:45:57 <RST38h> smoku: Out of academic curiosity,what is wrong with notifications?
Dec 29 18:46:10 <smoku> RST38h, read my last comment
Dec 29 18:46:44 <RST38h> smoku: the last comment is written by rbradford and appears to indicate that notifications will still be visible to you
Dec 29 18:46:53 <smoku> RST38h, F5
Dec 29 18:47:00 <DocScrutinizer> thiago: can loggong also relies on a bot
Dec 29 18:47:01 <RST38h> sorry?
Dec 29 18:47:10 <thiago> DocScrutinizer: what's a loggong?
Dec 29 18:47:19 <DocScrutinizer> logging
Dec 29 18:47:27 <thiago> DocScrutinizer: then please rephrase
Dec 29 18:47:28 <smoku> RST38h, reload the page ;-)
Dec 29 18:47:33 <thiago> the sentence doesn't make sense
Dec 29 18:47:38 <RST38h> smoku: I see
Dec 29 18:47:55 <RST38h> smoku: The next comment will be with a suggestion for you to hack at it and commit back the changes
Dec 29 18:48:22 <smoku> RST38h, I already hacked it by installing Ubuntu Netbook UI :)
Dec 29 18:49:08 <RST38h> smoku: {funny, that was the suggestion I had in mind next :)}
Dec 29 18:57:20 <balor> Looks like the 1.1 release doesn't like my wireless :(  And why was yum replaced with zypper?
Dec 29 18:58:11 <thiago> because the architects felt zypper was better
Dec 29 18:58:32 <balor> thiago: Out of interest, why might one be better than the other?
Dec 29 18:58:44 <thiago> ask the architects
Dec 29 18:58:53 <balor> thiago: will do, thanks.
Dec 29 18:59:12 <timoph> at least zypper is faster
Dec 29 18:59:39 <smoku> where is the meego OBS repository located?
Dec 29 18:59:54 <thiago> repo.meego.com
Dec 29 19:03:41 <smoku> thiago, and where are the OBS built packages?
Dec 29 19:04:04 <thiago> that's where OBS puts the packages it builds
Dec 29 19:04:04 <smoku> ie. /MeeGo:/current:/Core/standard
Dec 29 19:04:16 <thiago> obs.meego.com
Dec 29 19:04:59 <smoku> > host obs.meego.com
Dec 29 19:04:59 <smoku> Host obs.meego.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
Dec 29 19:05:17 <thiago> build.meego.com then
Dec 29 19:05:32 <smoku> this is a web interface to OBS
Dec 29 19:05:36 <thiago> yes
Dec 29 19:05:39 <smoku> I'm looking for a repo
Dec 29 19:06:01 <thiago> then I need to read up on OBS lore before I can answer the question
Dec 29 19:06:05 <thiago> I don't know what you're looking for
Dec 29 19:06:11 <timoph> where currently literally hundreds of repos there..
Dec 29 19:06:17 <timoph> s/where
Dec 29 19:06:24 <timoph> /there's/
Dec 29 19:06:27 <timoph> :)
Dec 29 19:06:52 <smoku> thanks for delaying me then. I already found the answer myself
Dec 29 19:06:57 * timoph is trying to get used to a new keyboard
Dec 29 19:07:12 <thiago> smoku: what is it?
Dec 29 19:09:17 <flavio> thiago: do you know how can I get an account on meego obs server? lbt_away is away
Dec 29 19:09:40 <lcuk> X-Fade also has magic wand
Dec 29 19:10:11 <lcuk> but he may also be away at this time, he needs your meego.com account name (thats been active for a while)
Dec 29 19:10:13 <thiago> flavio: talk to lbt when he's not lbt_away
Dec 29 19:10:25 <thiago> flavio: for now, try build.pub.meego.com
Dec 29 19:11:01 <flavio> thanks
Dec 29 19:13:51 <flavio> thiago: unfortunately registration is broken, there's an exception at the end of the process
Dec 29 19:14:20 <timoph> flavio: you need to request the account from X-Fade or lbt_away
Dec 29 19:15:35 <timoph> see what lcuk said a few lines earlier
Dec 29 19:26:44 <DocScrutinizer> thiago: (rephrasation) the webpage you can see under http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/search?q=infobot is *about* a bot always been on #meego, and it is created *by* a bot also in #meego obviously (povbot?)
Dec 29 19:27:49 <DocScrutinizer> thiago: infobot needs *invitation* by chanops or chan-owner, to initially join any channel. So it's been here by invitation
Dec 29 19:28:21 <thiago> there's no nickname infobot
Dec 29 19:28:37 <thiago> if you mean povbot`, anyone could have brought it in
Dec 29 19:30:05 <lcuk> povbot` is awesome and existed for many years around maemo offering complete searchable logs :$ mgedmin is his wrangler and maintainer of mg.pov.lt
Dec 29 19:30:06 <povbot`> lcuk: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
Dec 29 19:31:20 <RST38h> Do Nokia and/or Intel have control of povbot?
Dec 29 19:31:47 <DocScrutinizer> thiago: sorry, I don't know how to utter my point more clearly. Sorry for my poor english, and sorry I wasn't able to explain to you why I did ~ping
Dec 29 19:32:38 <javispedro> doesn't matter because infobot is not yet up aiui
Dec 29 19:32:41 <thiago> DocScrutinizer: no, I understood why you did ~ping
Dec 29 19:32:59 <thiago> DocScrutinizer: I just didn't understand the part about logging. The sentence didn't make sense.
Dec 29 19:33:14 <thiago> anyone can log. So a log existing doesn't mean a bot is here.
Dec 29 19:33:16 <lcuk> RST38h idk, what does it matter
Dec 29 19:33:16 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: "we" (this chan can get infobot's sister apt
Dec 29 19:33:31 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: "we" (this chan) can get infobot's sister apt
Dec 29 19:33:32 <javispedro> ah
Dec 29 19:33:57 <RST38h> lcuk: Well #meego is an official Meego channel, and it must have an official bot, and mgedmin's bot is notofficial
Dec 29 19:34:31 <lcuk> then what does t matter about nokia or intel in this case, for official it should be LF shouldn't it?
Dec 29 19:34:31 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: I *know* infobot is "down", that's why I did a ~ping as ~chaninfo tells me apt thinks she joined #meego, which evidently she didn't
Dec 29 19:34:35 <RST38h> lcuk: Major interest holders in the Meego project should be administering the bot, officially
Dec 29 19:34:44 <lcuk> RST38h, its a log
Dec 29 19:34:57 * RST38h cackles evilly
Dec 29 19:35:00 <lcuk> mgedmin is a major interest holder in the project
Dec 29 19:35:26 <lcuk> as are each and every one of us here.
Dec 29 19:35:35 <RST38h> lcuk <-- bought it
Dec 29 19:45:48 <mikecomputing> is woifi WL driver broken in weekly build of meego-netbook
Dec 29 19:45:54 <mikecomputing> ?
Dec 29 19:48:58 <Stskeeps> meh - the bots in here serve their purpose. known to me: povbot (official logs), MeeGoBot (bug lookup, etc), infobot (many freenode channels) and meegomeetbot (custodian of the meeting room)
Dec 29 19:49:31 <Stskeeps> povbot and meegomeetbot will merge when we have a shell at infra
Dec 29 19:52:28 <lcuk> Stskeeps, you forgot merbot exists
Dec 29 19:52:40 <lcuk> (which is on your account afaik)
Dec 29 19:53:12 <Stskeeps> ah, yes
Dec 29 19:53:18 <Stskeeps> that one too merge
Dec 29 19:53:41 <Stskeeps> there's a wiki page
Dec 29 19:54:06 <lcuk> where?
Dec 29 19:55:07 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/Web_infrastructure/IRC
Dec 29 19:55:27 <Stskeeps> actually, another one
Dec 29 19:55:53 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/Web_infrastructure
Dec 29 19:55:59 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: would you like to have back infobot with a different name? (just until I sort things out with Tim/infobot)
Dec 29 19:56:27 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: same db?
Dec 29 19:56:30 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Dec 29 19:56:34 <DocScrutinizer> same instance
Dec 29 19:56:37 <RST38h> Told you, folks, #meego needs an official bot!
Dec 29 19:56:39 <Stskeeps> possibly
Dec 29 19:57:02 <DocScrutinizer> ~ping
Dec 29 19:57:03 <apt> ~pong
Dec 29 19:57:04 <javispedro> apt: hello
Dec 29 19:57:05 <apt> Howdy Bub
Dec 29 19:58:03 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: if any time infobot resurrects, you might want to /kick apt - they don't act nicely when same time same room ;-D
Dec 29 21:02:30 <lcuk> anyone with meego netbook on something that is not the ideapad?
Dec 29 21:02:48 <lcuk> i would like to know if the adhoc networking bug we have there is generic or specific to lenovos
Dec 29 21:03:05 <mwichmann> what would be a reproducer?
Dec 29 21:03:27 <lcuk> have an adhoc network around and try to connect to it
Dec 29 21:03:28 <mwichmann> I've got an acer
Dec 29 21:03:33 <lcuk> the n900 can setup one easily
Dec 29 21:03:47 * lcuk uses adhoc often but the ideapad simply does not see them
Dec 29 21:04:26 <lcuk> http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440   Bug 440 - Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi
Dec 29 21:04:36 <lcuk> actually, its going to be a global issue with such a low bug number
Dec 29 21:04:37 <lcuk> damn
Dec 29 21:07:17 <mwichmann> yeah, that's really old, sez it was a moblin bug before it
Dec 29 21:07:21 <lcuk> yeah
Dec 29 21:07:31 <mwichmann> I've had no end of trouble with wireless on the acer
Dec 29 21:08:04 <lcuk> do you have specific bug numbers?
Dec 29 21:08:18 <mwichmann> any kind of serious data transfer does something so weird it reboots my access point
Dec 29 21:08:36 <mwichmann> two different ones in fact (a linksys and a netgear)
Dec 29 21:08:46 <lcuk> access points are notorious for needing kicking and rebooting
Dec 29 21:08:58 <lcuk> i think thats not related to the OS in use
Dec 29 21:09:04 <lcuk> mine used to break on windows only
Dec 29 21:09:33 <lcuk> hang on
Dec 29 21:09:37 <mwichmann> other linux notebooks and windows don't see to have this
Dec 29 21:09:39 <lcuk> that bug 440 in meego
Dec 29 21:09:44 <lcuk> is marked fixed in moblin
Dec 29 21:09:45 <lcuk> http://bugzilla.moblin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=537
Dec 29 21:10:12 <mwichmann> there was a moblin bug at least for this, but nobody else could reproduce, never went anywhere
Dec 29 21:10:27 <lcuk> yeah
Dec 29 21:10:39 <lcuk> networking bugs are frustrating
Dec 29 21:10:43 <CosmoHill> http://dev.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/install.log :)
Dec 29 21:10:44 <lcuk> even qt has had its share of things
Dec 29 21:10:51 <CosmoHill> (I wrote the install script)
Dec 29 21:10:51 <lcuk> QTBUG-7 just got fixed too
Dec 29 21:13:26 <lcuk> CosmoHill, install script for what?
Dec 29 21:13:41 <CosmoHill> my distro :)
Dec 29 21:13:57 <lcuk> isn't that offtopic then :P
Dec 29 21:14:17 <CosmoHill> isn't everything I say?
Dec 29 21:14:35 <iekku> :D
Dec 29 21:14:52 <lcuk> good point
Dec 29 21:14:53 <lcuk> MODSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Dec 29 21:21:11 <lcuk> CosmoHill, does your dad know hes having a party?
Dec 29 21:21:24 <CosmoHill> I assume so
Dec 29 21:23:03 * lcuk closes twitter for a bit
Dec 29 22:07:16 <lcuk> Venemo, which linux are you putting on your machine?
Dec 29 22:09:58 <Venemo> lcuk: haven't decided yet. so far I've been using Fedora, but since many people like Ubuntu too, I think I may give that a try too
Dec 29 22:10:13 <Venemo> lcuk: if Ubuntu supports my hw better, then that may be my choice
Dec 29 22:10:37 <lcuk> Venemo, have you actually tried meego netbook on it?
Dec 29 22:10:57 <Venemo> lcuk: it is not a netbook.
Dec 29 22:11:25 <lcuk> Venemo, sure :)
Dec 29 22:11:46 <Venemo> lcuk: as much as I like MeeGo, I would prefer a fully featured desktop rather than a netbook interface
Dec 29 22:11:49 <lcuk> but my ideapad is a bit bigger than a phone but still runs handset ;)
Dec 29 22:14:30 <Venemo> lcuk :)
Dec 29 22:16:22 <lcuk> <zer00> bye
Dec 29 22:16:23 <lcuk> <mpng> now Linux or any other software can run on PS3
Dec 29 22:16:23 <lcuk> <mpng> haha
Dec 29 22:16:23 <lcuk> <ThorZeen> I'm still trying to get it to run on my PS2
Dec 29 22:16:23 <lcuk> <lcuk> mpng, i heard linux was the best game on ps3
Dec 29 22:16:23 <lcuk> <lcuk> cross platform MMORPG
Dec 29 22:16:25 <lcuk> <lcuk> getting to the end of level boss on kernel.org was a bitch
Dec 29 22:16:47 * CosmoHill blinks
Dec 29 22:16:56 <CosmoHill> shame sony killed linux support on the PS3
Dec 29 22:17:21 <lcuk> well theres a story about it on slashdot at the moment
Dec 29 22:30:14 <lcuk> MohammadAG, meego netbook has a border for your albumart test program
Dec 29 22:31:25 <MohammadAG> lcuk, probably the way the WM handles it, try overriding the WM :)
Dec 29 22:32:44 <lcuk> well MohammadAG just booting to handset to see there
Dec 29 22:32:54 <lcuk> but my system is a bit borkened atm
Dec 29 22:33:19 <lcuk> after updating to latest testing build
Dec 29 22:33:48 <lcuk> araujo, speaking of which, did you get any further with repositories, I notice timoph community repo is also in the same state
Dec 29 22:34:50 <lcuk> hmmm MohammadAG
Dec 29 22:34:53 <lcuk> still gets borders
Dec 29 22:35:07 <lcuk> because the handset window is offset by a couple of pixels from top/left
Dec 29 22:35:18 * lcuk looks at it sideways
Dec 29 22:35:27 <MohammadAG> lcuk, got a screenshot handy?
Dec 29 22:37:32 <lcuk> will have in a minute MohammadAG
Dec 29 22:37:36 <lcuk> just trying something
Dec 29 22:37:41 <lcuk> i think the offset is global
Dec 29 22:37:58 <lcuk> and not related to the UX window manager
Dec 29 22:38:39 <lcuk> hmm
Dec 29 22:47:07 <araujo> lcuk, repo is working fine for me now
Dec 29 22:47:10 <araujo> :P
Dec 29 22:57:04 <CosmoHill> what are you up to?
Dec 29 23:00:48 <CosmoHill> sorry, wrong window
Dec 30 01:45:16 <lcuk> meego handset ux people.  please can I turn OFF icons and leave me with just the name of the application.
Dec 30 01:45:29 <lcuk> i find icons confusing sometimes.
Dec 30 01:47:39 <lcuk> or at least let me customise them easily
Dec 30 01:48:00 * lcuk grins and runs off to draw stuff
Dec 30 02:20:00 <Termana> morning
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