**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 06 02:59:58 2011 Jan 06 05:21:31 heliocastro: not entirely sure why, but I had to remove the "QMAKE_LFLAGS += "-Wl,--as-needed"" line from style.pro or otherwise the internal plugin would fail to load because it didn't link against all the needed libraries... Jan 06 06:14:34 hey Jan 06 06:14:59 please let me know latest kernel version of meego Jan 06 06:19:06 hi Jan 06 06:19:08 hel Jan 06 06:23:23 hi Jan 06 06:29:48 Guest82200: 2.6.37 Jan 06 07:15:53 morning Jan 06 07:18:56 morning Jan 06 07:21:25 arvo Jan 06 08:17:08 anyone built OpenCV-2.0.0-5.124.src.rpm with obs? I need some help . this is end of the info: http://pastebin.com/TGHYXZJS Jan 06 08:20:33 that is for ARM? Jan 06 08:21:27 yes, armv7el Jan 06 08:22:05 get from 1.2 OpenCV 2.2, it compiles for arm Jan 06 08:24:01 meego1.2??? Jan 06 08:29:25 yes, or as it's called atm, meego 1.1.80 Jan 06 08:29:29 .something Jan 06 08:32:30 1.1.80.6.20101116.1 version contain 2.0.0, so fast. Jan 06 08:50:56 hlzxy: yeah, it was fixed recently Jan 06 09:43:45 morn andre__ Jan 06 09:43:56 heja Jan 06 10:28:35 morn Jan 06 10:58:19 hmh, chromium seriously sucks the juices out of my lappie Jan 06 11:00:39 couple tabs open and one with plenty of images and load shoots up Jan 06 11:01:27 hena, why dont you try using firefox instead Jan 06 11:01:42 i guess i'll try Jan 06 11:01:45 when I use osc -A url ,how I can out my account. Jan 06 11:02:08 hena, I never let chromium last on this...looks fast but slows everything else down Jan 06 11:02:28 hena, you know how to install it on meego? Jan 06 11:02:53 is there a specific procedure on it? Jan 06 11:03:04 of cource i can do it my way Jan 06 11:03:09 hena did a blog on it here http://andybleadengoeskubuntu.blogspot.com/ Jan 06 11:03:34 no specifics but i was new ish to meego so had to do it this way Jan 06 11:03:44 sweet Jan 06 11:03:54 I dont use chromium now at all Jan 06 11:04:31 what I should do if I want to logout my account with osc?anyone know it . Jan 06 11:04:51 AndyBleaden: thanks Jan 06 11:04:54 hlzxy, what is osc Jan 06 11:05:00 hena, no probs Jan 06 11:05:34 AndyBleaden:command connet to obs Jan 06 11:05:40 hena, let me know if you get stuck..be aware they might have a new version of Firefox and a different language version for you Jan 06 11:06:15 hlzxy, not done that obs thing...anyone else? Jan 06 11:10:25 I use command 'osc -A url commit" ,it show info:http://pastebin.com/VWJcjNM5 , anyone can help me Jan 06 11:12:43 seems like chromium is a memory hog Jan 06 11:13:08 by design, I'd say Jan 06 11:13:46 all that matters is whether it is a bigger memory hog than Fennec Jan 06 11:13:56 it's a tradeoff from its security sandboxing feature (pages for each source domain by default run in their separate subprocess) Jan 06 11:15:25 seems like a weird choice for meego, to m Jan 06 11:15:26 e Jan 06 11:19:06 what's are the differences between maemo and meego? Jan 06 11:19:19 google? wikipedia? Jan 06 11:21:54 I mean if i install meego on n900 it would be fifferent from now? Jan 06 11:22:22 McPels: maemo's occasionally useful, meego is under development and warms your hands Jan 06 11:22:55 Stskeeps++ Jan 06 11:23:19 Stskeeps: Sorry i couldn't get u. can uexplain more? Jan 06 11:23:24 hah Jan 06 11:23:55 McPels: means meego is not really end user ready Jan 06 11:24:00 ie, meego on n900 Jan 06 11:26:02 Stskeeps: So is it easy to install meego on n900 Jan 06 11:26:09 it takes a bit of leg work Jan 06 11:27:38 Stskeeps: Another question, will meego release for PCs too? Jan 06 11:28:52 yes, IA and ARM Jan 06 11:29:57 Stskeeps: And do u know when? Jan 06 11:30:00 MeeGo for x86 netbooks is usable as daily os already Jan 06 11:30:06 McPels: meego.com, please visit :) Jan 06 11:30:26 Stskeeps: thanks :|| Jan 06 11:30:49 more valid questions include: is beowulf clustering software available Jan 06 11:31:21 and does meego boot on cray supercomputers Jan 06 11:31:35 and will it install on the cloud Jan 06 11:31:51 that reminds me of a marvelous riposte a friend's boss and professor once came up Jan 06 11:32:39 some of my friends, in different universities, were all working on cluster computing; a guy asked why the different university clusters aren't combined into a single mega-cluster Jan 06 11:32:54 the response was brilliant: Jan 06 11:33:35 "It would require some major scientific breakthrough (eg. exceeding or raising the speed of light) to get the operation latencies down enough to make it feasible" Jan 06 11:34:09 yes, obviously dataset dependent Jan 06 11:34:24 but there are certain operations which are feasible Jan 06 11:34:33 Bostik: Go explain that to Slashdot crowd. Jan 06 11:34:54 Bostik: Count the number of Beowulf Cluster Of These responses. Jan 06 11:34:58 true, of course if something is highly (or perfectly) parallelizable, you can always split the work into coherent and individual chunks Jan 06 11:35:05 Bostik: Count the number of In Soviet Russia responses. Jan 06 11:35:11 Bostik: Weep. Jan 06 11:35:17 it's hard to count flops when latency is measured in seconds ;) Jan 06 11:35:31 can't be arsed, I value what's left of my questionable sanity Jan 06 11:35:37 Multiple the number of responses by the attempts at first post Jan 06 11:35:43 and dip heartily into some hot grits Jan 06 11:36:02 lcuk: That wouldn't be sporting enough Jan 06 11:36:22 lcuk: The goal is to reach despair by using addition and subtraction only! Jan 06 11:36:33 another friend formulated a statistical law few years back Jan 06 11:37:07 "one /. post in 10k is valuable; within those, one post in a thousand is brilliant" Jan 06 11:37:39 just like with people Jan 06 11:38:06 Seriously, though, http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1193856 Jan 06 11:38:28 Knuth's view of parallelism and the use of multicore archs Jan 06 11:39:20 smoku: I thought the generally accepted view of people has been 1/10, not 1/10k? =) Jan 06 11:39:56 RST38h, political correctnes ;P Jan 06 11:48:56 hey - is there a screenshot gallery containing all the dialogs encountered during netbook install Jan 06 11:49:24 so I can confirm about whether the installer allows dual booting (by leaving some space on the drive) Jan 06 11:49:28 be a hero, run it in vbox and create it! :) Jan 06 11:49:31 timeless_mbp, you have dual boot? Jan 06 11:49:39 dm8tbr, thanks for the offer :D Jan 06 11:49:45 dual boot what? Jan 06 11:50:02 timeless_mbp, do you dual boot the ideapad? Jan 06 11:50:20 not yet Jan 06 11:51:29 lcuk, IIRC it allows for dualboot. But I don't have any proof. ;-) Jan 06 11:51:45 yeah Jan 06 11:51:54 thats why I am thinking the screenshots Jan 06 11:52:03 I am sure someone at meegoconf took a whole set Jan 06 11:54:21 lcuk, timeless_mbp You can dual boot but meego bootloader is greedy and you have to be careful where you put it. Had this trouble in Moblin What you looking to dual boot it with? Jan 06 11:54:36 w7starter Jan 06 11:55:36 but only if someone provides an installer which non-destructively shrinks my ntfs partition Jan 06 11:55:57 doh. how I like the ideapad keyboard... it feels so much bigger than on my 13" laptop Jan 06 11:57:10 timeless_mbp, I always use parted live cd to shrink windows Jan 06 11:57:14 timeless_mbp, oh eck you tried the guide on the forum Jan 06 11:58:15 smoku, the ip keyboard is kinda nice Jan 06 11:58:22 but some keys are in wrong place Jan 06 11:58:34 lcuk, Fn for example ;-) Jan 06 12:00:14 nahh I am used to that smoku Jan 06 12:00:22 i have x200s for normal day/day Jan 06 12:00:48 its home/end/pgup/down surprisingly Jan 06 12:00:54 lcuk, I keep hitting it instead of Ctrl Jan 06 12:02:00 am used to avoiding it Jan 06 12:02:09 the best layout for PgUp/down/home/end I had on sony vaio - it was Fn + up/down/left/right Jan 06 12:02:36 so i was scrolling pages normally with up/down and when i wanted more just press Fn and still use up/down Jan 06 12:02:54 thanks RST38h Bostik Jan 06 12:03:05 * lcuk has "natalie portman" in search bar now for some reason :P Jan 06 12:38:51 ftr, i haven't looked at all Jan 06 12:39:00 i'm waiting for someone to volunteer to walk me through it Jan 06 13:03:57 timeless_mbp, well I actually thought you already had it (hence me asking you) but will watch out for others Jan 06 13:04:14 and possibly also just try to install from the usb key I have and take some pics too Jan 06 13:04:16 i've been "planning" on it for a while Jan 06 13:04:27 i have the usb key Jan 06 13:04:41 but i'm not using it until someone non-distructively repartitions Jan 06 13:04:45 and i'm told the key can't do that Jan 06 13:09:13 well hopefully one of the ~500 people over there might know/have capability to test/compare etc Jan 06 13:09:55 .o/ Jan 06 13:10:03 I'd try but I dont' have one :) Jan 06 13:10:21 dm8tbr, I can send you a usb key Jan 06 13:10:29 but you are on your own for device itself Jan 06 13:10:34 bah! Jan 06 13:10:37 its a very pretty key Jan 06 13:10:41 meego branded Jan 06 13:10:51 * dm8tbr will continue hacking meego onto his Archos 101 then Jan 06 13:13:25 Hi :-) Jan 06 13:14:04 \o hi Zuhaitz Jan 06 13:25:58 * lcuk mutters something Jan 06 13:38:28 * CosmoHill stabs the ovi suite Jan 06 13:39:04 * lcuk watches as 100 ovi suits step out of the elevator and head towards CosmoHill Jan 06 13:39:26 if they can't remember my sent text messages they can f off too Jan 06 13:40:26 wtf is the point of syncing messages if I only have half the conversation Jan 06 13:40:32 CosmoHill: my ideapad stole a copy of my n900's sms's Jan 06 13:40:33 i think Jan 06 13:40:38 * timeless_mbp considers looking Jan 06 13:40:51 are you saying it was "special"? Jan 06 13:41:20 there are some text conversations that were important to me Jan 06 13:42:09 * CosmoHill throws his phone across the room Jan 06 13:42:28 oh fuck you windows, now my keyboard and mouse have stopped working Jan 06 13:42:48 err wtf Jan 06 13:43:00 so, lemme get this straight Jan 06 13:43:03 keyboard, mouce and phone were all connected via a hub Jan 06 13:43:12 ovi suite doesn't show me messages in my phone unless my phone is connected? Jan 06 13:43:30 it shows the messages on your phone yes Jan 06 13:43:40 I synced my messages with the computer Jan 06 13:43:42 how "helpful" Jan 06 13:43:45 so they should be aviable offline Jan 06 13:43:59 it doesn't do that automatically? Jan 06 13:44:04 * timeless_mbp is terribly confused Jan 06 13:44:06 no Jan 06 13:44:09 * timeless_mbp concludes the ui must be terrible Jan 06 13:44:13 I click the sync button at the botto Jan 06 13:46:31 * CosmoHill seeths Jan 06 13:54:58 at least my keyboard and mouse are working now Jan 06 13:57:12 a lot of messages I've sent are missing Jan 06 13:57:59 maybe it's just not synced properly Jan 06 13:58:13 cos I have some recent ones, then there's a gap and then more send messages Jan 06 14:06:53 How could I type ö ä characters in stardict on my n900 ? I tried to copy a file onto the device for instance with those characters but I cannot copy anything from the terminal into the stardict ? What is the easiest way ? Jan 06 14:20:15 ctrl, shift insert magic cannot work either in terminal since there is no insert button. Jan 06 15:00:04 djszapi: Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V? Jan 06 15:32:54 does anyone here have a successful port of meego to the n900? Jan 06 15:33:16 corp769, there exist meego images for N900 already Jan 06 15:34:07 oh i know. i'm just asking if everything works, or if there are still bugs to be worked out Jan 06 15:34:45 plenty of bugs to be ironed out, we're making a hardware adaptation :) Jan 06 15:35:05 yea i know =P Jan 06 15:35:23 i would really like to try it out, but i need full functionality of my phone, ya know.... Jan 06 15:35:57 corp769, tell you what, if you can help fix bugs you will have phone faster! Jan 06 15:38:25 i would like to =P Jan 06 15:38:58 but with the job i have, and only having one n900, thats gonna be hard to do Jan 06 15:39:21 corp769, yes indeed Jan 06 15:41:15 i can help with that bugs Jan 06 15:43:09 shit, i would, but i'm military and can't risk redoing my phone all the time Jan 06 15:43:13 sivang, hmmm "why ideapad got very slow all of a sudden" Jan 06 15:43:55 i thought I was going mad a couple of weeks ago when it did this, i got called away and when it booted back up (I closed the lid) it worked fine Jan 06 15:43:57 lcuk: oh, that's from last night, I gave up on it. the UX is just not usable :/ Jan 06 15:44:09 lcuk: well, no, it also boots slower now Jan 06 15:44:14 lcuk: so I'm out of clue entrily Jan 06 15:44:29 sivang, hm Jan 06 15:44:31 Now I wish I had left window on it Jan 06 15:44:37 at least I could read pdf books on the go Jan 06 15:44:41 with the diaplsy rotated Jan 06 15:44:50 some here were smart enough to do so :-p Jan 06 15:45:17 lcuk: I just wanted to simply read books, check emails, and do some facebook browsing and youtube Jan 06 15:45:43 lcuk, i can help with that bugs,because i have two phones (n900,N95 8GB)so it will be ok if n900 will die :D Jan 06 15:47:58 must be nice to let a n900 die =P Jan 06 15:48:11 Yes, my first successful build of a MeeGo app with OBS! Jan 06 15:48:17 fiferboy: congrats :) Jan 06 15:48:23 Easier than I thought once I figured out spec files :) Jan 06 15:49:54 SharRakorR, technically if it dies I would consider filing a bug. Jan 06 15:50:12 the only dramatic effect at the moment appears to be missed calls when maemo isnt running Jan 06 15:50:36 just curious, can you run maemo and meego side my side? Jan 06 15:50:39 fiferboy: if you use spectacle, most of the hairy spec file stuff goes away Jan 06 15:50:40 side by side* Jan 06 15:50:45 it is not like your n900 will die ... it will get warmer than usual, and not as fully functional yet, but it works :P Jan 06 15:50:59 araujo: what's on it? Jan 06 15:51:05 arjan: I did use spectacle, but it is a bit weird Jan 06 15:51:14 It's like using a spec file to generate a spec file :) Jan 06 15:51:16 sivang, meego Jan 06 15:51:23 (It did make things easier in the end, though) Jan 06 15:51:31 lcuk, it was only a joke :D :) only thing i wanna say,if you will need help,just say :) Jan 06 15:51:34 fiferboy, can I copy it! :) or can you at least make it readable on OBS for others to see it ? I think the default is like hidden. I have not gotten back to resolving why I can't build locally let alone remotely, must be a config issue Jan 06 15:52:03 http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2011/01/three-reasons-creators-should-never.html Jan 06 15:52:11 odin_: I will look into making it public. It was my understanding that everything in OBS was public by default Jan 06 15:52:36 araujo: meego makes your N900 die? Jan 06 15:52:41 fiferboy, I'm not sure since the new OBS version with ACLs, as in... I can't seem to just browse anything via web UI Jan 06 15:53:13 sivang, was answering corp769 :P Jan 06 15:53:40 odin_: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=personal-lexicon&project=home%3Afiferboy Jan 06 15:53:42 =P Jan 06 15:53:43 thanks Jan 06 15:54:04 araujo: ah :) Jan 06 15:54:11 bug #615 Jan 06 15:54:14 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615 enh, Medium, ---, ryan.r.ware, ASSI, Open the access of MeeGo OBS Jan 06 15:54:19 * odin_ sighs Jan 06 15:54:31 fiferboy, does that do partial word suggestions? Jan 06 15:54:46 lcuk: No, not right now Jan 06 15:55:12 lcuk: My main aim was for exact matches, but I will make a future version do partials Jan 06 15:55:15 odin_: meego obs as in pub.build.meego.com ? Jan 06 15:55:56 fiferboy, thanks I'll try and see what I am doing wrong and fix my package now Jan 06 15:56:22 fiferboy, no hassle, cool you got it in obs Jan 06 15:56:24 odin_: Hopefully the packing is a good example to follow, it is my first attempt :) Jan 06 15:56:33 and you reminded me of a word I invented Jan 06 15:56:40 lcuk: Thanks, I just wanted a starter project to get my MeeGo build on Jan 06 15:56:47 and just found out its now in uran dictionary :D Jan 06 15:56:50 lcuk: Ooh, what word? Jan 06 15:56:56 lexicolon Jan 06 15:57:21 Personal Lexicon tells me that is not a real word :P Jan 06 15:57:44 http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=149500&cid=12528947 Jan 06 15:58:02 * lcuk shudders that as little as 5 years ago I was openly discussing apple topics :P Jan 06 15:58:14 Ha, nice! Jan 06 15:58:28 sivang, no this is to allow access to the "MeeGo Core OBS" to lift/copy/replicate data, it might be half useful if I could browse into https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=MeeGo%3A1.1%3ACore (i.e. should there not be a list of packages in there already, all public and branchable? since they (community obs admins) have a MeeGo Core OBS account to do it) Jan 06 15:58:37 Bullshimble is also not valid Jan 06 15:58:48 odin_: there's nothing in there cos of the way OBS works :) Jan 06 15:59:13 (not ACLs) Jan 06 15:59:19 it's imported binaries, they don't show up as packages Jan 06 15:59:26 though it could be interesting to see if it's possible to do a hybrid Jan 06 15:59:42 where srpms are imported too Jan 06 16:01:04 odin_: I did not follow the bug completely, but you say we cannot even browse the repos? Jan 06 16:01:41 odin_: "does nto have any packages yet" Jan 06 16:02:05 I have built that package now for Windows (with installer), Maemo5, MeeGo, and desktop Linux (deb) Jan 06 16:02:58 fiferboy, out of interest can you "osc build personal-lexicon.spec" locally ok? or are you doing 100% remote build and taking commit counter hits (a partial-commit feature to obs would allow users to group/test/batch separate changes remote builds, without bumping the commit id) Jan 06 16:04:13 odin_: I did a rpmbuild locally, but not using osc. When I did remote builds I had to fix some files and re-upload, which took commit hits Jan 06 16:04:20 Stskeeps, yes is the usage to remote branch between MeeGo Core OBS and the MeeGo Community OBS then ? so what / why does the project namespaces like MeeGo:1.1:Core exist on cobs at all ? what is the purpose Jan 06 16:04:53 odin_: imported rpms, quite normal practice - you can't build against them without projects Jan 06 16:04:54 fiferboy, is it possible to try "obs build personal-lexicon.spec" please ? Jan 06 16:05:10 'osc' Jan 06 16:05:19 morning qgil - happy new year! Jan 06 16:05:26 hi Stskeeps :) Jan 06 16:05:36 Stskeeps, is the import process automatic, any pointers to docs on that ? yes 'osc' :) Jan 06 16:05:37 odin_: I don't have osc installed on any machines right now Jan 06 16:05:47 fiferboy, ok no worries Jan 06 16:05:54 odin_: go look at my 10 easy steps to set up obs for an idea Jan 06 16:06:03 has anybody seen/heard/read tekojo X-Fade lbt or bergie lately? Jan 06 16:06:27 hey qgil, X-Fade was floating around this morning Jan 06 16:06:30 qgil: X-Fade's around, tekojo was back at work yesterday, lbt's on vacation Jan 06 16:06:33 bergie is afaik in Africa still Jan 06 16:07:13 yup, judging his flickr pictures Jan 06 16:07:28 RT: @bergie exploring Mombasa. Next two nights will be spent on bus and plane http://qaiku.com/go/aen0/ http://twitter.com/bergie/status/23000874561310720 (a couple of hours ago) Jan 06 16:07:56 thanks - alternatively does anybody know if there is any information about Apps, Extras, Surrounds, Packages, Community OBS development... something I could link at http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update to follow the progress? Jan 06 16:08:04 Stskeeps, ah yes.. the solution is to run a local OBS then ? ok this was my intention all along, but I shall replicate MeeGo Core packages in version control I want to branch, I had heard that cobs could assist in this matter somehow (found wiki page: 10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS ) Jan 06 16:08:16 odin_: no, read the script to understand how release imports work Jan 06 16:08:21 :) Jan 06 16:08:28 ok looking Jan 06 16:11:38 qgil, I would suggest a bug (unless you know of one) Jan 06 16:12:12 yeah, I already created one for bergie and planet.meego.com progress and I will do the same for the rest Jan 06 16:12:32 it's just that... I also have plenty of things to do :) Jan 06 16:13:41 yeah, but once the bug is in place it becomes easier to ping the related parties Jan 06 16:14:20 well, lcuk I can tell you that lack of pings is not the problem :) Jan 06 16:15:15 perhaps we need to have a team of community facilitators who helps the people executing various things (community obs, apps, whatever) find needed people/resources, keeping tabs on progress, etc Jan 06 16:15:32 lcuk: interestingly enough I'm chasing not only corporate employees to get more documentation and reports at *.meego.com, but also community people with impecable openness agenda like the aforementioned - for different reasons Jan 06 16:16:16 Stskeeps: this is in part what Dawn, Mike or myself are doing in Community Office tasks - but I can't jump physically on their desks :) Jan 06 16:16:38 anyway, this discussion is funnier with the people mentioned involved Jan 06 16:17:11 :nod: Jan 06 16:19:42 we could need some proper mini project management tools :) to list blockers and so on for community activities, but i suppose bugzilla could possibly be used for it Jan 06 16:19:43 hi qgil, did you get my email? Jan 06 16:19:45 fiferboy, how are you finding obs Jan 06 16:19:49 Stskeeps, sounds like a council. ;) Jan 06 16:20:11 lcuk: Much easier than last time I tried it (during maemo 4 times, I think) Jan 06 16:20:18 Stskeeps, simply filing bugs for activities is a good start ;) Jan 06 16:20:20 GAN900: i'm sure you know my opinions on how well that concept is at managing projects Jan 06 16:20:23 :P Jan 06 16:20:41 Stskeeps: have you seen http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update ? what else do you need for casual tracking and reporting - apart from the people working giving updates from time to time? Jan 06 16:20:41 It's not management, it's facilitation. Jan 06 16:20:42 Having a obs specifically for MeeGo seems like it does a lot of the setup for the user, which is good Jan 06 16:20:54 qgil: looking Jan 06 16:21:15 qgil: yeah, that's looking like a good tool :) Jan 06 16:21:18 lardman: yes, I did - I'll get back to you Jan 06 16:21:54 qgil: i would add things like policies to be made that needs to be ready for meego 1.2, as well Jan 06 16:21:55 qgil: cool, thanks Jan 06 16:22:09 Stskeeps: the problem with the work on Community OBS, Apps, Packages etc is that it seems to be done Without a Trace Jan 06 16:23:06 qgil, is there any reporting documentation up? Jan 06 16:23:07 Stskeeps: that page is about meego.com updates, something that ultimately I'm responsible of - if there are Policy bugs that need to be fixed before 1.2 release then the best is to lobby for them Jan 06 16:23:19 GAN900: "reporting documentation"? Jan 06 16:23:51 qgil, "Here is how, what and where you report on your tasks." Jan 06 16:24:29 qgil: :nod: i don't disagree on that (that it is being done a bit invisibly), but i think a lot of meego IT is conducted that way too.. Jan 06 16:24:34 so i think it might be a wider area problem Jan 06 16:25:16 GAN900: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office#Tasks says "Every task must point to a bug report and/or a wiki page describing the task, where to help and the progress. One coordinator is assigned to each task but more people might be involved (check the link)." Jan 06 16:25:27 GAN900: if you think more is needed then I'm all ears Jan 06 16:25:48 GAN900: then again, I don't thin k the problem of lack of reporting is in the process. it is just in the lack of reporting :) Jan 06 16:26:44 Stskeeps: what I would like to find is the root of the problem. Apps, Community OBS etc don't have any dependency on hidden agendas, server security etc (that I'm aware of) Jan 06 16:27:09 actually we had these problems of lack of reporting in the Maemo times already Jan 06 16:27:24 well, it does have dependancies on server security and legal counsel for "what can be kept on community obs", at least Jan 06 16:27:30 with council and everything ;) Jan 06 16:27:30 legal counsel/policy Jan 06 16:27:46 due to the usual patent/licensing nightmares Jan 06 16:27:57 Stskeeps: sure, but none of that discussion is private or needs to be private Jan 06 16:27:59 :nod: Jan 06 16:28:01 you can have those dependencies, but you can also have a bug saying "people are working on stuff" Jan 06 16:28:07 bug report + meego-community would suffice Jan 06 16:31:17 i think a standard reporting of "what problems do we have that needs to be solved by: us, someone else, what have we accomplished in this week" and have someone follow up on what 'others' need to do Jan 06 16:31:28 qgil, well, easier to report when you know exactly how and when you're expected to. Jan 06 16:31:37 +would be good Jan 06 16:31:57 such as "need a policy for OSI licensing" or "mike isn't answering our mails and the user database hasn't been accessible for a month" ;) Jan 06 16:32:21 * Stskeeps goes back to hacking Jan 06 16:32:28 cool Jan 06 16:32:40 so there's a outlet for blockers and a motivation to report as it can help move ahead on issues Jan 06 16:33:06 GAN900: isn't the other way around? reportimng as part of your open development work, and you report every time there is a significant achievement, or something that get's you stuck, needing help/feedback from others? Jan 06 16:33:35 i just bumped to two annoying bugs on netbook Jan 06 16:34:13 too bad i don't remember anymore what they were... Jan 06 16:34:19 GAN900: actually this might be part of the root problem: the perception that reporting is something "you have to do because there is a process or hierarchy that requires it" Jan 06 16:35:10 GAN900: as opposed as "reporting because it helps me getting things done sooner, better and faster" Jan 06 16:35:36 and making sure reports don't just go into /dev/null, that someone actually reads them and reacts on them.. Jan 06 16:35:42 i'm sure there's corporate studies on this Jan 06 16:35:42 :P Jan 06 16:36:19 qgil, probably, but I'm completely overwhelmed by the number of channels in MeeGo. Jan 06 16:36:48 I couldn't even begin to guess whether different tasks have been reporting on one of the 20-odd mailing lists. Jan 06 16:37:25 * lardman suffers from that too Jan 06 16:37:32 GAN900: reporting is about using the wiki to document the stuff you want to achieve / you have done + bugzilla to report progress on specific features and bugs. That's it. Jan 06 16:38:16 GAN900: forums, mailing lists, IRC and tweets are not good for reporting Jan 06 16:38:34 qgil: you have any plans to be this side of the pond this quarter? Jan 06 16:38:53 I just came from Europe this week, timeless_mbp Jan 06 16:39:04 qgil: oops Jan 06 16:39:13 is that your only planned visit for the quarter? Jan 06 16:39:30 timeless_mbp: and for the half, probably Jan 06 16:40:10 I don't think wikis make for great project management tools. Jan 06 16:40:26 they can Jan 06 16:40:41 real project management tools sometimes slow things up a lot Jan 06 16:41:21 GAN900: wikis are great for documentation Jan 06 16:41:21 simple centralized project management tool would really be good Jan 06 16:41:42 like i suggested back on maemo.org Jan 06 16:42:14 Stskeeps: if people don't find time to report on a bug, I believe they will find even less time to report in anything more complex than that, something that needs to be learned, etc Jan 06 16:42:33 qgil: true Jan 06 16:42:36 big project usually need bigger tools, but using bigger tools for small projects is a huge loss of manyears Jan 06 16:43:05 guys, nobody is asking for anything more than: "please explain what you are aiming to achieve and where are you now" Jan 06 16:43:11 and for me for example, if the bugtracker is webbased it's already too much usually :/ Jan 06 16:44:05 qgil, the learning aspect is certainly true. Jan 06 16:44:20 hena: I actually find deskzilla (bz client) useful, it has offline storage and can be pretty quick Jan 06 16:44:38 it's commercial, but free to oss projects, and knows about moblin.com Jan 06 16:44:41 yeah, need something like that Jan 06 16:45:11 mwichmann, i find the web interface great, especially with linkage on irc Jan 06 16:45:30 somehow reporting a bug in the middle of something is so big stop that it's hard to get back in hackmode after that Jan 06 16:45:36 giving people a link right in their face along with encouragement adds votes or comments Jan 06 16:45:45 i mean if it's webbased Jan 06 16:46:08 but i guess i'm weird cuz i hate forums and such also for the same reason Jan 06 16:46:28 certainly hena Jan 06 16:46:45 just the action of selecting the component is a biggy Jan 06 16:47:36 * lcuk getting chinese for tea tonight, will bbl \o Jan 06 16:47:51 about Apps/Extras etc there was apparently a whole sprint done in Helsinki, announced by Tero & co in the MeeGo Conference - no trace Jan 06 16:48:22 they have been working for a long time on complex sites like the packages catalog, the apps catalog... - no trace Jan 06 16:49:28 there is a gap between this and having to report daily in a scrum-like way, in a specialized tool etc. I'm just asking form a wiki page with the description of what is the goal and a bug report or more explaining the progress everythime there is something worth mentioning Jan 06 16:52:59 does the person doing the work even have to write to the wiki themselves, I imagine a group of people could look at the ml and lurk in the channel (thinking of meego-arm here) and update the wiki as things of interest happen Jan 06 16:54:31 lardman: even for the person doing the work writing down in a wiki page what do you want to achieve is a good thing. Even more if there is more than one person working on the same thing. Even more if these people are not saring the same office. Jan 06 16:55:02 lardman: but yes, once a first stab is done and agreed then it is easier for anybody to help adding up and updating Jan 06 17:00:12 I certainly think it would be useful for people who are contributing to say what they are doing (and indeed who they are), but they needn't do this themselves, there are enough of us not contributing atm to be able to take whatever info they give us and transcribe it Jan 06 17:00:35 useful for those who want to know what they might be able to help with that is Jan 06 17:04:31 meego project tracking is bugzilla (features, infrastructure, bugs), so isn't it an idea since most people who are needed to accomplish something in community is on there, to use that as well to track activities and set up some typical work patterns "use a metabug for your activity, raise sub-bugs for issues where you need to involve others for help, and do reporting of your progress in the metabug" Jan 06 17:05:00 i don't even see a community OBS bug atm so Jan 06 17:05:57 working out what to search for in the bugtracker is not the easiest for those browsing Jan 06 17:05:58 you can't beat the simplicity of commenting on a bugzilla bug and CC'ing people on a bug/assigning Jan 06 17:06:09 of course, but that's where you have wiki bugzilla plugin ;) Jan 06 17:06:22 and dependancy trees Jan 06 17:06:35 ah, I was going to suggest generating something automatically Jan 06 17:07:41 http://bugs.meego.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=11429&hide_resolved=0 , where things that needs to be done turn into bugs Jan 06 17:09:27 is there an overall bug/enhancement for e.g. Meego 1.2 on N900? Jan 06 17:09:44 so that each of the other bugs can be pulled out from that? Jan 06 17:10:20 that one is a problem - we are working on how hardware adaptations fit in meego requirements, because they don't belong with meego core, handset ux, whatever Jan 06 17:10:30 and every work starts from a requirement Jan 06 17:11:27 our intention is to start having adaptation requirements, "nokia n900 adaptation must have a libEGL implementation" and so on Jan 06 17:13:05 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-porting/2010-November/000087.html Jan 06 17:13:11 requirements are in bugzilla, naturally :) Jan 06 17:15:16 ok, so that sounds like it's in hand, if still wip. I guess for would-be users a summary of the bug list and its effects would still be of use Jan 06 17:16:33 http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=ARM%20issues%201.2%20NEW&sharer_id=1890 :P Jan 06 17:17:17 but I don;t see that as something that the devs need to do Jan 06 17:17:26 ok, so that will keep me busy this evening then ;) Jan 06 17:17:44 another way is the bug triage meetings to catch issues early Jan 06 17:20:12 I've got to go and pick up my wife, but will be back this evening, I'll be happy to sketch out and at least try to start filling in something N900 related for the masses Jan 06 17:20:50 assuming you guys are happy with that; afterall I did complain about the difficulty of working out what's going on, so a task might force me to find out ;) Jan 06 17:21:00 anyway, bbl Jan 06 17:21:05 we're happy about all contributions Jan 06 18:05:08 Is MeeGo as configurable and open as Meamo? Jan 06 18:05:22 i'd say more Jan 06 18:05:34 Because? Jan 06 18:05:55 because it's a open source platform? :P Jan 06 18:06:01 Maemo is, too Jan 06 18:06:05 not really Jan 06 18:06:08 let me drag out an article Jan 06 18:06:18 And Maemo is Nokia alone, with MeeGo, Intel came Jan 06 18:06:21 and linux foundation is wathing over MeeGo Jan 06 18:06:33 http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html Jan 06 18:06:50 43% open source Jan 06 18:08:31 But, still, is it as configurable as Maemo? Can you get to a terminal, for example, without having to hack your mobile? Jan 06 18:08:56 Cas: depends on what the handset vendor does Jan 06 18:08:57 yes, but keep in mind there's no handsets deployed with it yet - so it's the platform you see atm Jan 06 18:09:21 so a vendor may lock it down as wished (open source platform) or leave some things open as it's too much effort Jan 06 18:10:01 Alright, thank you Jan 06 18:12:01 mschlens: does ctrl-c,v work by you ? Jan 06 18:14:56 djszapi: It usually does on my N900 Jan 06 18:15:11 it does not by me. Jan 06 18:15:31 it works in another applications, but not in console, have you ever tried it ? Jan 06 18:15:35 or just saying ? Jan 06 18:17:06 djszapi: It was just a hunch. Jan 06 18:17:39 ctrl+c can't possibly work in the console for copy and paste, it already has a specific purpose :/ Jan 06 18:17:48 yes. Jan 06 18:17:53 never worked for me... Jan 06 18:18:09 Uh, duh... right. Sorry. Jan 06 18:18:14 Forget what I said :) Jan 06 18:18:48 C-c works for me in the terminal Jan 06 18:19:03 well, "works" Jan 06 18:19:43 define "works" Jan 06 18:20:09 djszapi: does C-S-c/v work? Jan 06 18:20:12 i get the char printed Jan 06 18:20:13 anyways...I am not sure what the best way is to type non-ascii characters in stardict, this copy/paste is just a workaround, is there a btter way ? Jan 06 18:20:24 hena: in mstardict ? Jan 06 18:20:37 oh, sorry Jan 06 18:20:41 :) Jan 06 18:21:09 hena: it does not really work by me: what I do is 1) select the arrow on the left 2) select a text 3) ctrl-c Jan 06 18:21:38 tap the menu at the top and select copy Jan 06 18:21:42 ctrl-c just sends a break command Jan 06 18:21:51 wait Jan 06 18:22:01 meego, not familiar with its terminal Jan 06 18:22:13 * wmarone surrenders Jan 06 18:22:26 yeah, my terminal does not do what it's "supposed to" with C-c Jan 06 18:22:33 you were right, that works Jan 06 18:22:41 but it's sent all the way to irssi tho Jan 06 18:22:42 ty. Jan 06 18:23:03 is there a lesser painful way ? Jan 06 18:23:18 try doing ctrl+shift+c? Jan 06 18:23:19 use a proper computer? ;-) Jan 06 18:23:23 for example to install a virtual keyboard for a key combo ? Jan 06 18:23:29 where I can choose non-ascii characters ? Jan 06 18:23:50 what language are you using? Jan 06 18:24:01 Finnish, but it is language independent question. Jan 06 18:24:31 c-s-c does not work either. Jan 06 18:26:11 arrow, control like virtual keyboard would be nice, but with much more non-ascii characters. Jan 06 18:27:21 should I write such a small app ? :) Jan 06 18:28:04 could meego and Palm OS merge? Jan 06 18:29:08 pupnik: you mean webos Jan 06 18:29:20 oh yes t Jan 06 18:29:40 I like that the way to nominate a page for deletion in the MeeGo wiki is to add it to the "Die die die" category :) Jan 06 18:29:46 It's a little silly Jan 06 18:29:51 Just enough to be fun Jan 06 18:29:58 And a little nod to the Simpsons Jan 06 18:30:06 doh! Jan 06 18:30:08 "Any man who speaks German can't be that bad" Jan 06 18:32:57 anyone had any joy mounting hfs volumes on netbook 1.1? Jan 06 18:35:22 dneary: cute Jan 06 18:35:38 * timeless_mbp loads http://wiki.meego.com/Category:Die_die_die Jan 06 18:35:48 timeless_mbp, The German thing, or Die die die? Jan 06 18:35:55 There's lots to do there :) Jan 06 18:36:13 Someone from Tieto went through all the Quality pages Jan 06 18:36:50 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8690 Jan 06 18:37:12 Sorry - Arto, from Digia Jan 06 18:38:52 heh Jan 06 18:39:03 Jan 06 19:23:39 So, what you think? Android vs meego? What's the future of meego?:P Jan 06 19:24:05 fldrog: meego running in people's brains, naturally Jan 06 19:24:43 :)) Jan 06 19:25:03 that is the answer I was looking for Jan 06 19:42:33 hi Jan 06 19:43:18 i have question: how can i search for a package name from a file? Jan 06 19:43:19 hi Jan 06 19:43:57 i wanna know which package contains xf86drm.h Jan 06 19:44:01 rpm -qf /path Jan 06 19:44:13 if you have it installed already :P Jan 06 19:44:45 i dont have the package installed Jan 06 20:04:58 how many from here work for nokia? Jan 06 20:05:32 i think it's safe to say there's a large bunch of subcontractors, intel, nokia employees here Jan 06 20:05:55 keep in mind they're here to work, not to comment on juicy rumours on products ;) Jan 06 20:11:40 yeah, i'm just wondering how is it to work for nokia Jan 06 20:11:53 since i have this mental image that it wouldn't be so pleasant Jan 06 20:11:55 :) Jan 06 20:15:32 never thought of nokia much as a software company and the process seems too complicated to get stuff done Jan 06 20:15:35 but what do i know Jan 06 20:16:44 i think it's important to keep nokia and meego devices seperate in your mental image :P Jan 06 20:18:41 Stskeeps: stop driving people schizophrenic=) Jan 06 20:19:23 In related news, 4.5" Android handsets are at the gate. Jan 06 20:19:50 it wasn't long ago that handsets had to be so tiny, heh Jan 06 20:24:39 RST38h, I already had a 5" android handset Jan 06 20:25:14 soon people will have their servents carry Big Handsets for them Jan 06 20:30:00 Is there going to be any meego tablet reveals in CES? Jan 06 20:30:24 Stskeeps: ironically, it is pocketable enough Jan 06 20:30:46 RST38h: and people laughed when we had n800's in our pockets.. Jan 06 20:30:54 smoku: Which one? and how did it feel? Jan 06 20:31:10 Stskeeps: Oh, believe me, that 4.5" handset is way more pocketable than n800 Jan 06 20:31:35 Stskeeps:very thing, hardly any border Jan 06 20:31:56 s/thing/thin Jan 06 20:32:25 RST38h, Dell Streak. and I loved it :) Jan 06 20:33:27 smoku: Ah,have been looking at it,need to handle it though. It is more of a tablet though. Is it pocketable? Jan 06 20:33:49 RST38h, fits in jeans (front) pocket perfectly Jan 06 20:34:30 it's so thin that I would say it's more pocketable than N900 Jan 06 20:36:00 smoku:sounds good enough, as far as I am concerned. Is it hackable though? Jan 06 20:36:09 is it a phone? Jan 06 20:36:15 yes Jan 06 20:36:16 does it have keyboard? Jan 06 20:36:17 and yes Jan 06 20:36:21 it's snapdragon, it's a phone, it has no keyboard Jan 06 20:36:22 and no :) Jan 06 20:36:29 shame Jan 06 20:36:57 RST38h, http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/meego:streak Jan 06 20:37:18 * lcuk still adores formfactor of n810 Jan 06 20:38:01 smoku: yooooo.... Jan 06 20:38:07 yup. I appreciate the full keyboard even more since I got back to using N900 Jan 06 20:38:43 smoku, Jan 06 20:38:50 you say you loved it Jan 06 20:38:52 past tense Jan 06 20:39:22 what was wrong with it Jan 06 20:39:42 lcuk, no 3d drivers -> no meego Jan 06 20:39:51 roger Jan 06 20:40:04 and I hate android Jan 06 20:40:15 but if you like android... Jan 06 20:40:23 strong words Jan 06 20:40:26 ever since i got a C7 i cannot use those stupid phone keyboards any more Jan 06 20:40:26 its just an os Jan 06 20:40:32 so, two minuses are android and no keyboard? Jan 06 20:41:22 lcuk, and it gives me just this feeling ;-) Jan 06 20:41:29 it's just a feeling Jan 06 20:42:04 RST38h, I wouldn't call lack of keyboard a minus. not a plus either ;-) Jan 06 20:42:48 How is native app development on the android nowadays? Jan 06 20:43:34 lcuk, I just don't like things designed to restrict me Jan 06 20:44:21 smoku, so its purely drivers issue still then for all these Jan 06 20:44:48 RST38h, en example - quake port is a small dalvik launcher and input/display layer translator, and the whole game as a .so extension to this launcher Jan 06 20:45:28 smoku: So, PalmOSallover again? Jan 06 20:45:46 lcuk, 1. closed hardware; 2. lack of linux drivers (if the hardware allows you in) Jan 06 20:45:56 Can you at least have global data in those .so's? Jan 06 20:46:03 RST38h, I don't know PalmOS, but if you say so :) Jan 06 20:46:35 smoku: PalmOS as a whole ran inside a 68000 emulator on the ARM PalmOS devices Jan 06 20:47:04 smoku: And tobreak out of this emulator, app developers had to write very restricted DLLs with a single entry point Jan 06 20:47:39 so it's not this case Jan 06 20:47:57 the case is that you're not allowed to run binary applications. dalvik only Jan 06 20:48:34 but you're allowed to extend your dalivik app with binary dynamic modules Jan 06 20:49:00 so if you have a normal binary app, you convert it as a whole to a loadable module and wrap in a thin dalvik loader Jan 06 20:49:26 * RST38h loudly wondering when all the remaining Java adepts are finallygoing to die out Jan 06 20:49:48 so NDK is not for allowing binary aps.. no no... Dalvik FTW Jan 06 20:49:54 not anytime soon Jan 06 20:50:03 smoku: Do you get the direct frame buffer access though? Jan 06 20:50:03 it's the COBOL of 21st century, after all Jan 06 20:50:13 RST38h, are you kidding? Jan 06 20:50:32 smoku: Ehrrrm... and nodirect audio access? Jan 06 20:50:40 hehehe :D Jan 06 20:51:00 Ok. Then how do you...mhm...like... draw to the screen? fast? Jan 06 20:51:04 you need a video/audio/input translator between your app and Java APIs Jan 06 20:51:26 you're in luck if your app uses SDL, because this translator is already done Jan 06 20:52:07 as usuall - you draw in a backbuffer and then give Dalvik a pointer to blit to screen Jan 06 20:52:15 How are the framerates then? My stuff really likes fast drawing Jan 06 20:52:24 aha Jan 06 20:52:37 So it is like StretchBlt() on Windows Jan 06 20:52:54 Does the Dalvik API includes something for hardware scaling? Jan 06 20:53:41 did I mention I hate android? ;-) I only looked at SDL port, not at the API itself ;P Jan 06 20:56:45 AHa, I see Jan 06 21:18:35 are any of the forum admins on IRC? Jan 06 21:23:50 CosmoHill: maybe :) Jan 06 21:24:15 I'm interested in what anti-spam measures there are on the forums Jan 06 21:24:37 Might be a better question for Reggie Jan 06 21:24:52 I know that I get an email when someone marks something as spam Jan 06 21:25:01 and I have the super powers to delete stuff Jan 06 21:25:02 all mods do Jan 06 21:25:35 but he probably has some other stuff going on in the background that I never see Jan 06 21:25:36 I'm a super mod on another vBulletin forum and I get reported most emails too :) Jan 06 21:25:57 the mods then race each other to claim the kill Jan 06 21:26:17 Ha! I hide and hope someone else goes in for the kill ;) Jan 06 21:26:42 I'm pretty much the spam filter for our forum :( Jan 06 21:36:23 Reggie doesn't have an IRC name listed on the Who's Who page Jan 06 21:37:57 any meego news worth knowing from the CES sofar? Jan 06 21:39:24 DawnFoster: on the who's who page, shouldn't the MeeGo Developer's list be in alphabetical order? Jan 06 21:39:52 CosmoHill: not sure people really use the who's who page for anything Jan 06 21:40:25 I remember it was the first thing I edited on MeeGo Jan 06 21:40:57 CosmoHill: I usually look at people's meego.com page: http://meego.com/users/reggie Jan 06 21:41:09 he doesn't have irc listed there either Jan 06 21:41:21 but you can contact him using the contact form Jan 06 21:41:22 it does confirm that he is the forum admin tho Jan 06 21:41:37 that I am positive about :) Jan 06 21:44:35 sent Jan 06 22:06:58 son of a whore, my desktop has been working fine ever since I put windows 7 on it and now it can't get the damn USB hub working Jan 06 22:12:57 i just moticed that the icon for a device in meego netbook edition is a handset device :D Jan 06 22:13:19 just pull down the menubar :) Jan 06 22:17:47 huh. muting and unmuting routed sound from headphones to speakers. and replugging headphones didn't help Jan 06 22:26:40 so what exactly does meego on the n900 have going now? are there any apps or is it still working on the base? Jan 06 22:27:15 hi Jan 06 22:27:44 i could not find mount.nfs on meego, any alternate ways to mount nfs fs? Jan 06 22:30:46 Macer, http://tinyurl.com/329sn2s Jan 06 22:33:30 smoku: wow, you fail Jan 06 22:36:01 Macer: it's very much a work in progres Jan 06 22:36:03 progress* Jan 06 23:14:46 hmm, is there some way to check at runtime if an app is run under the handset ux? (I only care about handset vs. non handset at the moment) Jan 07 00:01:43 very random question, can hamsters have apple? Jan 07 00:02:58 yes Jan 07 00:03:36 sweet, thanks Jan 07 00:03:47 probably should have asked before I gave it to Freddy Jan 07 01:00:54 hmm, can I make my package depend on package-name-1 if the meego version it is built against is 1.1, or some-other-package-name if it is built against any newer meego? Jan 07 01:01:54 in spec files you can say that it requires Foo Jan 07 01:02:19 you can also say that it requires foo-1.2.3 equal to or greater Jan 07 01:02:57 yes, but I want to require Foo when I'm building for meego 1.1, but Bar when building for meego 1.2 or newer (some packages got renamed/dropped/replaced etc...) Jan 07 01:03:12 or I should just not want my package to be installable on meego 1.1 I guess... Jan 07 01:03:22 hmm Jan 07 01:03:43 I'd imagine Meego will have a release macro defined for RPM Jan 07 01:03:58 you might be able to go Jan 07 01:04:12 if %release => 1.1 Jan 07 01:04:20 require foo-1.2 Jan 07 01:04:29 else if %release > 1.1 Jan 07 01:04:33 require foo 1.4 Jan 07 01:42:26 Hi All, Need a help .. I am trying to build a kernel with my own changes ...using rpmbuild utility .. the issue that I am facing is whenever I am trying to build kernel using rpmbuild command ... rpmbuild unpacks the source code, applys the patch and generates RPM binary (everytime).. which overrides my changes in the BUILD directory .. Is there a way to create RPM binary without executing %prep %build %install stage ? ( other than creat Jan 07 01:43:25 yes Jan 07 01:43:49 haroun: rpmbuild --short-circuit Jan 07 01:44:01 man rpmbuild and there search for it Jan 07 01:44:58 BManojlovic: first thanks for your response ... But --shortcircuit is applicable only for "bc" and "bi" ... these two modes not creating binary RPM Jan 07 01:45:56 but point is use it untill you fix build process Jan 07 01:46:03 so no unpack patch stuff Jan 07 01:46:16 it will just do make every time Jan 07 01:46:25 untill you are satisified with process Jan 07 01:46:33 and on the end just do full rpmbuila -ba Jan 07 01:48:09 BManojlovic: if I do full rpmbuild -ba , my old changes in the BUILD directory will go off rite ? Jan 07 01:52:29 BManojlovic, it's not possible to create package out of build tree without creating a patch. rpmbuild was specifically designed to prevent this. you need to create a patch and include it in the spec Jan 07 01:53:01 haroun smoku i agree Jan 07 01:53:28 so that is why i prefer using osc and build packages locally in chroot Jan 07 01:54:10 haroun: i suggest to you to create patches using quilt Jan 07 01:54:18 as it would allow you some flexibility Jan 07 01:54:32 to use it even in rpmbuild environment Jan 07 01:56:03 BManojlovic, oh yes. I should direct my message to haroun :) Jan 07 01:56:28 :) Jan 07 01:56:37 BManojlovic,smoku : thanks for your input ... I posted this question Just I wanted to make sure ... is there a different way to solve the issue ??? Jan 07 01:57:44 i really suggest you read on quilt for this specific matter Jan 07 01:59:11 BManojlovic: ok , i will look into quilt. Jan 07 01:59:20 haroun, the whole point of spec and packaging is to make the process repeatable without human intervention. so no, I will not devour my time comeing up with an idea how circumvent it for you Jan 07 02:00:11 haroun: http://nordisch.org/2009/3/20/quilt-a-really-quick-howto Jan 07 02:14:25 when i use osc to create a new package ,I always show a edit to modify , how can I skip it ? anyone know it> Jan 07 02:14:40 when i use osc to create a new package ,it always show a edit to modify , how can I skip it ? anyone know it> Jan 07 02:34:25 just mkdir a package directory and commit it ;-) Jan 07 02:40:35 guys, i could not find g++ package in meego Jan 07 02:40:54 which repo has g++? Jan 07 02:41:45 gcc-gpp Jan 07 02:41:47 i believe Jan 07 02:42:20 gcc-c++ Jan 07 02:42:55 installing gcc-c++, lets see Jan 07 02:43:26 thats the one **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 07 02:59:58 2011