**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 07 02:59:58 2011
Jan 07 03:31:14 <Mek> hmm, if you have an X-Osso-Service line in your .desktop file for an application, the application does not inherit the environment from uxlauncher, and can for example not use the X_DESKTOP_SESSION env variable to determine if the app is running in the netbook or handset (or something else) UX...
Jan 07 04:35:04 <lcuk> johnx, ping
Jan 07 05:50:53 <psycho_oreos> fcrozat|gone, please ping me when you get back. Need to ask you a question or two about fmradio for n900 thanks
Jan 07 06:20:43 <psycho_oreos> fcrozat|gone, nevermind, found the file, thanks anyway :)
Jan 07 07:22:43 <joshy> olla
Jan 07 07:23:22 <joshy> 9min + dd-time + reboot + install to go
Jan 07 07:41:13 <jarkko^> coolnes: http://www.visual6502.org/
Jan 07 08:25:25 <changghu> any of my runtimes do not starting up now, at least meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime was working ok before I shutdown my ubuntu and left yesterday
Jan 07 08:37:17 <joshy> i also tryed it some minutes ago to install it on a atom convertible....
Jan 07 08:37:21 <joshy> don't boot
Jan 07 08:59:38 <joshy> moblin get installed @ Gigabyte M912
Jan 07 08:59:48 <joshy> ähhhhmmmm..... meego
Jan 07 09:09:27 <joshy> done
Jan 07 09:13:27 <changghu> emm, find out I did not modprobe kvm module, now it is back
Jan 07 09:37:15 <Bostik> note to self: when updating/adding routes to a gateway box, the command to reset all rules is "ip route flush" - NOT "ip rule flush"
Jan 07 09:37:19 <Bostik> that was not fun
Jan 07 09:38:10 <Bostik> and that should read "reset all caches"
Jan 07 09:55:39 <Paddy_NI> The dell dkms driver module really should be preinstalled on Meego
Jan 07 10:22:34 <joshy> what packetmanager is used by moblin?
Jan 07 10:23:02 <joshy> and from which distribution is moblin derived?
Jan 07 10:23:33 <lcuk> didn't moblin emerge some time at the start of the universe?
Jan 07 10:25:01 <Jacko_H> Hello
Jan 07 10:25:12 <joshy> nope; mix between maemo and meego; Nokia and Intel
Jan 07 10:25:26 <Stskeeps> err..
Jan 07 10:25:27 <lcuk> joshy, I think you have it backwards
Jan 07 10:25:28 <Jacko_H> Hello?
Jan 07 10:25:28 <Stskeeps> you got that wrong
Jan 07 10:25:33 <Stskeeps> hi Jacko_H
Jan 07 10:25:39 <lcuk> Maemo + Moblin == Meego
Jan 07 10:25:45 <Jacko_H> Yea
Jan 07 10:26:00 <joshy> meego was derrived from fedora
Jan 07 10:26:08 <Stskeeps> no
Jan 07 10:26:16 <Stskeeps> it was derived from moblin and bits and pieces from maemo
Jan 07 10:26:33 <joshy> meamo i think some like ipkg... openmoko.... i don't know
Jan 07 10:26:56 <range> And no again.
Jan 07 10:27:40 <joshy> <joshy> meego was derrived from fedora => moblin was derrived from fedora
Jan 07 10:28:02 <joshy> range: correct me
Jan 07 10:28:03 <range> Maemo doesn't use ipkg.
Jan 07 10:28:05 <pupnik> DEBIAN
Jan 07 10:28:10 <pupnik> APT
Jan 07 10:28:20 <pupnik> hurrrrrr
Jan 07 10:28:41 <range> And now breathe in again, please.
Jan 07 10:29:03 <pupnik> oxygen is overrated
Jan 07 10:29:56 <joshy> i only saw maemo on the n900 phone
Jan 07 10:30:29 <joshy> on the same phone i saw: debian, ubuntu, meego, android, ...
Jan 07 10:30:53 <joshy> packetmanager for meego?
Jan 07 10:31:02 <joshy> ntfs for meego?
Jan 07 10:33:06 <joshy> answers?
Jan 07 10:36:47 <pupnik> hey joshy you're german
Jan 07 10:36:49 <pupnik> woot
Jan 07 10:36:54 <pupnik> lol
Jan 07 10:37:07 <joshy> nope, austrian
Jan 07 10:37:11 <joshy> Österreicher
Jan 07 10:37:26 <pupnik> no difference
Jan 07 10:37:31 <pupnik> same language
Jan 07 10:37:37 <joshy> big difference!!!
Jan 07 10:37:55 <pupnik> yeah and there's big differences between hessians and bavarians too
Jan 07 10:38:40 <pupnik> so package manager is rpm based
Jan 07 10:38:48 <pupnik> and whatever gui is whatever
Jan 07 10:38:57 <pupnik> ntfs is whatever linux provides
Jan 07 10:42:55 <joshy> packetmanager: is there something like yum or yast?
Jan 07 10:43:04 <joshy> ntfs: packet to install?
Jan 07 10:43:09 <Tm_T> zypper?
Jan 07 10:43:21 <lcuk> ohhh packagemanager!
Jan 07 10:43:24 <lcuk> yeah zypper
Jan 07 10:43:39 * lcuk did not know what a packetmanager was and thought it was network related
Jan 07 10:45:49 * joshy excuse lcuk that he thing a packetmanager is network related
Jan 07 10:47:33 <joshy> ntfs?
Jan 07 10:47:55 <joshy> apt-cache search ntfs => zypper ... ?
Jan 07 10:48:01 <lcuk> i know what it is
Jan 07 10:48:11 <lcuk> but ntfs is a filesystem not an app
Jan 07 10:48:14 <dneary> Tm_T, http://wiki.meego.com/Zypper
Jan 07 10:48:30 <dneary> joshy, zypper search ntfs
Jan 07 10:49:20 <pupnik> lcuk: paket = package in german
Jan 07 10:49:29 <joshy> no package found
Jan 07 10:49:31 <dneary> joshy, Also, there's the package manager GUI, which is pretty f'n awesome
Jan 07 10:49:38 <dneary> joshy, Not surprising
Jan 07 10:49:45 <dneary> ntfs supprot is a kernel thing
Jan 07 10:49:51 <joshy> dneary: I saw it
Jan 07 10:49:55 <dneary> I doubt it's enabled in the kernel
Jan 07 10:50:07 <joshy> normaly there is a kernelmodul for that
Jan 07 10:50:14 * fcrozat guess he is searching ntfs-3g
Jan 07 10:50:16 <joshy> and this comes in a package
Jan 07 10:50:24 <fcrozat> which is not available on "upstream" meego
Jan 07 10:50:45 <joshy> which package source i have to add?
Jan 07 10:52:03 <joshy> ok... compile myself
Jan 07 10:53:09 <dneary> fcrozat is a better person than me to answer package availability questions
Jan 07 10:53:20 <fcrozat> dneary: I can't answer for upstream meego
Jan 07 10:53:34 <dneary> fcrozat, meego? upstream?
Jan 07 10:53:45 * fcrozat works on SUSE MeeGo
Jan 07 10:53:50 <dneary> Oh - because you work on Novell Meego?
Jan 07 10:53:55 <dneary> I got it
Jan 07 10:54:02 <joshy> http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=533
Jan 07 10:54:34 <dneary> fcrozat, I'm surprise my d-d-l proposal has gone half an hour with no replies from people screaming "censorship!"
Jan 07 10:55:00 <Stskeeps> d-d-l?
Jan 07 10:56:02 <dneary> Stskeeps, desktop-devel-list - it's a GNOME thing
Jan 07 10:56:14 <Stskeeps> ah
Jan 07 10:56:22 <dneary> joshy, "mount" and "edit /etc/fstab" - how quaint!
Jan 07 10:57:44 <joshy> sudo mount /dev/sda3 /media/win
Jan 07 10:58:00 <joshy> mount: unbekannter Dateisystemtyp "ntfs"
Jan 07 10:58:16 <joshy> mount: unknow filesystemtyp "ntfs"
Jan 07 10:58:23 <pupnik>  /media/lose
Jan 07 10:58:33 <Sage> meego does not suppot ntfs :/
Jan 07 10:58:58 <pupnik> microsoft tried to prevent TCP/IP from becoming a standard
Jan 07 10:59:15 <pupnik> they actually tried to PREVENT the INTERNET
Jan 07 11:00:07 <timeless_mbp> pupnik: i'm sure someone would say congress tried to prevent the internet
Jan 07 11:00:13 <smoku> they had their own ms-net for some time
Jan 07 11:00:15 <pupnik> timeless_mbp: this is real
Jan 07 11:00:20 <Tm_T> dneary: thanks, but I know (;
Jan 07 11:00:21 <pupnik> netbeui
Jan 07 11:00:23 <timeless_mbp> since someone in congress was probably opposed to darpa funding
Jan 07 11:00:34 * timeless_mbp remembers netbeui
Jan 07 11:00:37 <dneary> Tm_T, I saw - the question mark threw me :)
Jan 07 11:00:43 * lcuk remembers netbeui
Jan 07 11:00:51 <lcuk> lol
Jan 07 11:03:39 <timeless_mbp> dneary: did you say "it's 2011, the desktop is dead"? :)
Jan 07 11:05:47 <dneary> timeless_mbp, In response to the Maemo guy twitter remark?
Jan 07 11:06:09 <dneary> timeless_mbp, Oh - d-d-l. I proposed we move the list to strict moderation for the next 3 months
Jan 07 11:06:15 <timeless_mbp> oh
Jan 07 11:06:47 <timeless_mbp> well, you could get a sock puppet and have it propose the desktop is dead, that'd give your proposal more support :)
Jan 07 11:07:11 <timeless_mbp> out of curiosity, why did you want to move to strict moderation?
Jan 07 11:07:41 * timeless_mbp wonders what a Maemo guy is
Jan 07 11:07:49 <timeless_mbp> (or what twitter is for that matter..)
Jan 07 11:08:03 <timeless_mbp> is that where all the NIT wit's go?
Jan 07 11:13:38 <joshy> and ntfs is working
Jan 07 11:13:43 <joshy> thx to http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=533
Jan 07 11:15:22 <lcuk> joshy, I am sure Microsoft had something to do with getting NTFS working too
Jan 07 11:16:10 * joshy has the same opineon
Jan 07 11:16:18 <lardman> morning
Jan 07 11:16:22 <Stskeeps> morn lardman
Jan 07 11:16:26 <lardman> hi Stskeeps
Jan 07 11:16:30 <joshy> midday
Jan 07 11:16:43 <lardman> Stskeeps: I decided not to bother you yesterday as you were in bed!
Jan 07 11:16:46 <lcuk> yo lardman \o
Jan 07 11:16:54 <lardman> hey lcuk
Jan 07 11:17:38 <joshy> leavin for openttd lan party
Jan 07 11:17:45 <joshy> cu
Jan 07 11:17:51 <lardman> bye
Jan 07 11:17:52 <lcuk> oh ffs
Jan 07 11:18:12 <lcuk> i appear to have just replayed a red dwarf scene
Jan 07 11:18:26 <lcuk> mental note: do not drop memory cards into coffee.
Jan 07 11:18:30 <harbaum> How do i determine the optimal size of an icon to be used in MBasicListItem ?
Jan 07 11:18:49 <joshy> and the big difference between austria and germany is the dialect and the mountains!
Jan 07 11:18:51 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: nice
Jan 07 11:19:10 <timeless_mbp> joshy: better skiing in Austria
Jan 07 11:19:20 <joshy> umsonst werden ma ja a net als schluchtenscheißer bezeichet... (but off topic)
Jan 07 11:19:30 <lcuk> Austria is in the Southern hemisphere too *grin*
Jan 07 11:19:40 * joshy is going boarding on So
Jan 07 11:19:55 * joshy likes Hinterstoder
Jan 07 11:20:01 * lardman wonders about the gender of Butter in Austria
Jan 07 11:20:04 <joshy> in Upper Austria
Jan 07 11:20:06 <timeless_mbp> joshy: um, google translate can't translate that
Jan 07 11:20:12 <joshy> die Butter
Jan 07 11:20:20 <timeless_mbp> > away for free so a ma net bezeichet as canyon ass
Jan 07 11:20:39 <joshy> timeless_mbp: lol
Jan 07 11:21:07 <smoku> The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated. -- The Desktop
Jan 07 11:21:37 <lardman> joshy: I thought it had a different gender somewhere down there, perhaps in Bayern?
Jan 07 11:22:14 <joshy> timeless_mbp: The montains are the reason why some german people call us "the canyoning shitters"
Jan 07 11:22:23 <lardman> timeless_mbp: how did Google find ass in that translation?
Jan 07 11:22:29 <lardman> and is it a wild one?
Jan 07 11:22:32 <joshy> timeless_mbp: the better google translation is the human translation
Jan 07 11:22:58 <joshy> lardman: scheißer
Jan 07 11:23:02 <timeless_mbp> schluchtenscheißer
Jan 07 11:23:13 <lardman> joshy: ah, so not Esel at all then
Jan 07 11:23:16 <timeless_mbp> alternates are shit, bastard, shits, shitter
Jan 07 11:23:33 <timeless_mbp> when i actually *use* google translate, i do round tripping games on words until i get a translation i like
Jan 07 11:23:35 <joshy> lardman: what do you mean?
Jan 07 11:23:43 <timeless_mbp> but in this case, the high failure count meant it wasn't worth it
Jan 07 11:23:45 <lardman> Ass is like a donkey
Jan 07 11:23:57 <timeless_mbp> and i wanted to remind joshy that this channel should be en-
Jan 07 11:24:12 <joshy> umsonst werden ma ja a net als schluchtenscheißer bezeichet... (but off topic)
Jan 07 11:24:18 <joshy> timeless_mbp: ik
Jan 07 11:24:45 <lardman> in English arse is the translation for Arsch, in American it's ass
Jan 07 11:29:36 <santis> Hi! Any news about the PulseAudio downgrade, when will it be available? Or where could  I find it and test it?
Jan 07 11:30:00 <joshy> and the translation back to german: umsonst so eine Maschine netto bezeichet als Canyon Arsch
Jan 07 11:30:11 <Stskeeps> devel:multimedia somewhere, santis
Jan 07 11:31:05 <joshy> google 4tw
Jan 07 11:31:22 <joshy> now i'm really leaving... see you in the mountains!
Jan 07 11:35:08 <santis> Stskeeps: Thanks, I think I found it.
Jan 07 11:44:33 <lardman> http://ces.cnet.com/8301-32254_1-20027722-283.html /me thinks the writers at cnet are a little insecure, read para starting "Because the MobiCam Internet Kit..." :D
Jan 07 11:45:54 <lardman> or perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick completely...
Jan 07 11:46:41 <pupnik> funny how the old english 'methinks' has been resurrected by irc
Jan 07 11:47:27 <lardman> mmm, 4.3" touchscreen
Jan 07 11:48:56 <pupnik> mmm. $9.95 monthly service fee
Jan 07 11:49:07 <pupnik> a sucker born every minute
Jan 07 11:50:19 <lardman> what's that for pupnik ?
Jan 07 11:52:47 <pupnik> the link you posted lardman
Jan 07 11:52:53 <pupnik> mobicam internet kit
Jan 07 11:53:09 <lardman> oh right, suckers indeed
Jan 07 12:12:26 <pupnik> on the other hand a 'service' is 'somethin i don't have to worry about or do myself'
Jan 07 12:12:47 <pupnik> the fact that it's not difficult to do is irrelevant
Jan 07 12:13:17 <pupnik> waiters, for example are superflous if you think abut it
Jan 07 12:13:34 <pupnik> the cooks could set your food on a counter and you could pick it up yourself
Jan 07 12:15:41 <smoku> pupnik, who will cook then?
Jan 07 12:15:54 <pupnik> the cooks
Jan 07 12:16:03 <pupnik> they do something with skill
Jan 07 12:16:18 <smoku> they can cook or carry around food. one person cannot be in two places at the same time
Jan 07 12:16:44 <smoku> ok. you can serialize, but then you will wait an hour for a meal
Jan 07 12:17:02 <pupnik> does burger king have waiters?
Jan 07 12:17:32 <smoku> pupnik, kind of.  the person at the counter is not the person preparing the food
Jan 07 12:51:40 <CosmoHill> how many of you read XKCD and thus don't require me to post a link to todays comic?
Jan 07 12:51:52 <smoku> is there a way to build RPM package having all sources and spec in one directory? not splitting it to SOURCES, SPECS etc.
Jan 07 12:52:19 <CosmoHill> you only need the SOURCES directory really
Jan 07 12:52:27 <Stskeeps> rpm2cpio *.src.rpm | cpio -id, smoku
Jan 07 12:52:27 <CosmoHill> the specs file can be anywhere on the computer
Jan 07 12:52:32 <Stskeeps> smoku: ah, build
Jan 07 12:52:58 <CosmoHill> smoku: I think the file is called .rpm_rc or something along those lines
Jan 07 12:53:10 <CosmoHill> it allows you to have custom RPM settings without making them global
Jan 07 12:53:11 <smoku> I extracted the src.rpm package and I want to build it
Jan 07 12:54:04 <smoku> ie. how does OBS build packages? it does not split it over dirs, does it?
Jan 07 12:54:55 <CosmoHill> I'd imagine it does split it over dirs, it's the default for RPM
Jan 07 12:55:04 <CosmoHill> nate@blue[1004]:/usr/src/rpm $ ls
Jan 07 12:55:04 <CosmoHill> BUILD  RPMS  SOURCES  SPECS  SRPMS
Jan 07 12:57:33 <smoku> so if you have all the sources, patches and specs for all the packages you maintain mixed in one tree, tracking the changes with some version control will be a nightmare
Jan 07 13:00:15 <Stskeeps> smoku: osc build does the 'hard work' for you
Jan 07 13:00:22 <Stskeeps> or build
Jan 07 13:00:36 <Stskeeps> but yeah, BUILD/RPMS/SOURCES/SPECS/SRPMS sucks :)
Jan 07 13:02:17 <CosmoHill> you could just make them links
Jan 07 13:02:49 <CosmoHill> ln -sv {BUILD,RPM,SOURCES,SPECS,SRPMS} target_dir
Jan 07 13:05:28 <smoku> ha ha!
Jan 07 13:05:31 <smoku> # tail -2 ~/.rpmmacros
Jan 07 13:05:31 <smoku> %_specdir %(pwd)
Jan 07 13:05:31 <smoku> %_sourcedir %(pwd)
Jan 07 13:05:35 <smoku> :D
Jan 07 13:06:03 <CosmoHill> ooo, cleaver
Jan 07 13:06:28 <Stskeeps> smoku: nice
Jan 07 13:06:49 <Stskeeps> smoku: should document that somewhere :)
Jan 07 13:14:36 <smoku> do you know how is package version given to rpmbuild?
Jan 07 13:15:10 <mwichmann> it's in the spec file, unless you pass values in
Jan 07 13:15:14 <Stskeeps> obs mods the Release: line, afaik
Jan 07 13:15:23 <Stskeeps> in spec before starting rpmbuild
Jan 07 13:23:17 <smoku> mwichmann, how do I pass the values?  (man rpmbuild didn't help)
Jan 07 13:23:40 <mwichmann> just a sec, I've got an examle somewhere
Jan 07 13:25:25 <mwichmann> hmmm, thought I did; what I've actually done is had a prototype specfile, and edited that to produce one with the versions I want embedded
Jan 07 13:25:52 <smoku> %define version %(cat version)
Jan 07 13:25:52 <smoku> will have to do :)
Jan 07 13:35:44 <harbaum> any mtf specialists here?
Jan 07 13:37:31 <harbaum> or where is  place to ask questions about mtf?
Jan 07 13:43:35 <lainwir3d> hi
Jan 07 13:45:40 <CosmoHill> hi
Jan 07 13:49:08 <smoku> OBS sure does make things easier :)
Jan 07 13:49:18 <Stskeeps> yes
Jan 07 13:51:04 <andrewfblack>  /join #Maemo
Jan 07 14:01:17 <Venemo> w00t_: ping
Jan 07 14:01:22 <w00t_> pong
Jan 07 14:09:04 <dneary> timeless_mbp, Back...
Jan 07 14:09:07 <dneary>  timeless_mbp, re moderation: d-d-l is useless to developers because non-developers are signed up to it and use it as a forum to complain to developers
Jan 07 14:09:10 <dneary>  re a Maemo guy: kind of like a dodo, I guess
Jan 07 14:09:12 <dneary>  re twitter: an effective way to waste time
Jan 07 14:09:14 <dneary>  re NIT wits: no, they are on the Community forum in tmo.
Jan 07 14:09:16 <dneary>  And right here on IRC :)
Jan 07 14:09:20 <dneary> (resend - I think the first time it got lost in the ether)
Jan 07 14:39:46 <Stskeeps> slaine: i could imagine that once you've switched to a dependancy based startup process, it's fairly easy to move on
Jan 07 14:39:55 <Stskeeps> it's the sysvinit -> dependancy based startup that's a problem
Jan 07 14:40:19 <slaine> Upstart scripts are not compatible with systemd
Jan 07 14:40:27 <Stskeeps> slaine: sure, but they're easier to convert
Jan 07 14:40:30 <slaine> So you'd have to do the work all over again
Jan 07 14:40:39 <Stskeeps> as the graph is already there
Jan 07 14:41:03 <slaine> To a degree, but it kinda seems pointless
Jan 07 14:41:32 <Stskeeps> mm
Jan 07 14:42:00 <Stskeeps> otoh, if your startup process isn't stable cos of systemd not being mature, that's not a good thing..
Jan 07 14:42:21 <slaine> Didn't stop them moving to btrfs, ooooo
Jan 07 14:42:29 <slaine> ;)
Jan 07 14:42:47 <slaine> You help fix upstream by doing things like that
Jan 07 14:43:18 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Jan 07 14:44:19 <slaine> Also, parallelism has been continually shot down as a valid speed up paradigm by the Intel folks. The fastboot project was all about finding the bottlenecks that stopped things happening quickly
Jan 07 14:44:38 <fcrozat> http://wiki.meego.com/Architecture/Meetings/20101117_Weekly
Jan 07 14:44:45 <fcrozat> LOL
Jan 07 14:46:30 <slaine> Isn't it a bit late to make Upstart happen for 1.2 ?
Jan 07 14:46:42 <slaine> Thought it was in freeze or about to enter freeze
Jan 07 14:46:49 <Stskeeps> it's a bit late to get hardfp in, as well
Jan 07 14:47:08 <Stskeeps> god, i love speedrpm for arm builds
Jan 07 14:47:21 <Stskeeps> previously: 454 seconds for nss package build for armv7
Jan 07 14:47:24 <Stskeeps> now: 266 seconds
Jan 07 14:47:27 <slaine> Stskeeps: What was that, caught a glimpse of it on your report
Jan 07 14:47:44 <Stskeeps> which one, hardfp or speedrpm?
Jan 07 14:49:03 <slaine> speedrpm
Jan 07 14:50:14 <Stskeeps> speedrpm is basically some OBS tricks to use a x86 binary rpm and accelerate some tools such as tar, gzip, bzip2, coreutils, rpm-build
Jan 07 14:51:11 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Did you see if 'compare' is also in there? It seems that for some large packages that also takes quite a while.
Jan 07 14:51:25 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: i'm not sure how to accelerate that one yet, but this is a start
Jan 07 14:51:34 <Stskeeps> 119 seconds is a X86 build of same package
Jan 07 14:51:36 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Oh for sure.
Jan 07 14:51:58 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Rebuilds will be a lot faster :)
Jan 07 14:56:58 <Stskeeps> we're going to be having armv7 and armv7hl alongside, so we need to cut resource use of arm port :P
Jan 07 14:57:00 <slaine> Stskeeps: so instead of using the arm system utils in the build root for file management, it calls back out of the emulation layer to the host servers x86 tools ?
Jan 07 14:57:01 <Stskeeps> for a while
Jan 07 14:57:32 <Stskeeps> slaine: actually, nicer than that, it drops x86 binaries in the chroot
Jan 07 14:58:02 <slaine> Isn't the chroot run via qemu though ?
Jan 07 14:58:20 <Stskeeps> in practice the method is binfmt, so if there's an ARM binary, it's run through the chroot's usr/bin/qemu-arm
Jan 07 14:58:33 <slaine> right
Jan 07 14:58:34 <slaine> clever
Jan 07 14:58:42 <Stskeeps> if not, it is a x86 binary and with some tricks, they can co-exist
Jan 07 14:58:50 <slaine> I like it
Jan 07 14:59:05 <Stskeeps> it also means that when you do a osc local build, it brings cross compilers and stuff along
Jan 07 14:59:16 <Stskeeps> exactly matching the tools in the distro
Jan 07 17:13:33 <abhijeet> is it possible to run the meego SDK on ubuntu 10.10 64bit??
Jan 07 17:22:35 <alterego> abhijeet: yes, just use 10.04 repos
Jan 07 17:23:26 <abhijeet> alterego, so there no 10.10 repos??
Jan 07 17:23:41 <alterego> No. No.
Jan 07 17:24:44 <abhijeet> ok..
Jan 07 17:35:06 <sergiusens> can anyone enlighten me on the charset supported by the spec files? The name tag doesn't allow much, but the description allows some international chars
Jan 07 17:51:30 * mgedmin hopes it is UTF-8
Jan 07 18:07:19 <hhartz> does someone know if the issue with WLAN disappearing from the Ideapad can be solved without having to install Windows to reenable it?
Jan 07 18:10:10 <lcuk> hhartz, hrm
Jan 07 18:10:43 <lcuk> when did this occur?
Jan 07 18:14:08 <slaine> hhartz: there's a switch on the front panel to turn on/off wifi I think
Jan 07 18:14:49 <slaine> or is there a known issue/bug that I'm not aware off
Jan 07 18:15:30 <lcuk> thats what I am wondering
Jan 07 18:16:06 <lcuk> i do recall someone mentioning having to reset bios after some network event
Jan 07 18:16:16 <slaine> weird
Jan 07 18:16:17 <lcuk> but not reinstalling a whole OS just to tick a switch
Jan 07 18:16:44 <slaine> I had some problems with mine (not wifi but odd things) that where down to switches on the device
Jan 07 18:16:54 <slaine> anyway, commute time
Jan 07 18:16:58 <slaine> have a good one
Jan 07 18:17:06 <lcuk> heh texrat thought he had a duff device
Jan 07 18:17:14 <CosmoHill> salut lcuk et sla...oh
Jan 07 18:17:15 <lcuk> cos his powerlock switch was toggled out of the box
Jan 07 18:17:31 <lcuk> hey CosmoHill
Jan 07 18:17:42 <CosmoHill> oo pizza, bbl
Jan 07 18:30:39 * hena tries how meego handles with e
Jan 07 18:33:18 <LjL> what shape is the N810 port in currently?
Jan 07 18:33:29 <Stskeeps> not a good one
Jan 07 18:33:42 <Stskeeps> we stopped making armv5 builds in meego, so
Jan 07 18:34:11 <LjL> :(
Jan 07 18:36:55 <LjL> Stskeeps: did you give up due to technical reasons or what? last time i spoke to you you seemed hopeful
Jan 07 18:37:56 <Stskeeps> LjL: who says i gave up? ;)
Jan 07 18:38:04 <Stskeeps> it's just on a low priority atm
Jan 07 18:38:17 <LjL> ah :P well the fact you aren't building for the target made me assume so
Jan 07 18:39:10 <Stskeeps> nah.. it won't be meego-meego but noone says we can't make a build for armv6 on our own and use that, but we're really busy with armv7
Jan 07 18:51:26 <Mat_Matan> http://1.1.1.5/bmi/www.sadistic.pl/pics/Programming.jpg
Jan 07 18:52:28 <Mat_Matan> ffuuuuuuu www.sadistic.pl/pics/Programming.jpg
Jan 07 18:55:10 <csdb_> any word on opening up build.meego.com for anonymous read-only?
Jan 07 18:55:26 <csdb_> its been more than 3 weeks since the MeeGo Dublin announcement...
Jan 07 18:59:12 <Stskeeps> csdb_: good question, ask it on meego-packaging@ and let's get some kind of status out (but i would really first expect an answer monday)
Jan 07 18:59:30 <Stskeeps> anything you need?
Jan 07 19:00:20 <csdb_> yeah - we've been doing the "download-the-source-rpm-and-update-the-local-obs-repo" method, but that doesn't bring in the updates to the cross/x86 pkgs
Jan 07 19:00:35 <csdb_> as baselibs.conf and and friends don't get packaged into source rpms
Jan 07 19:01:07 <csdb_> dl9pf gave me a tarball with the existing ones a few months back but I'm sure that's quite dated by now.
Jan 07 19:01:58 <Stskeeps> that's a bug - can you do me a favour and file it and make it block 11462 ?
Jan 07 19:02:07 <Stskeeps> (hardfp metabug)
Jan 07 19:02:50 <Stskeeps> we're touching all the cross stuff right now anyway so
Jan 07 19:03:38 <Stskeeps> if you need a copy right now i can do that too, i think dl9pf's on travel
Jan 07 19:07:20 <thiago> arjan: ping
Jan 07 19:08:01 <csdb_> Stskeeps, just sent email to meego-packaging.
Jan 07 19:08:17 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 07 19:09:20 <Stskeeps> bug 9671 is also a bit annoying for downstream
Jan 07 19:09:23 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9671 cri, High, ---, anas.nashif, ASSI, Source RPMs are not published for ARMv7 packages, only for X86
Jan 07 19:09:47 <csdb_> I can file a bug too on the metafile absence - but I'd still much prefer access to build.meego.com
Jan 07 19:10:21 <Stskeeps> metafile?
Jan 07 19:10:42 <Stskeeps> ah, the baselibs not getting into srpm
Jan 07 19:10:52 <Stskeeps> yes, that'd be good, as i plan to submit a large portion of them soon
Jan 07 19:11:00 <Stskeeps> so i can fix them before
Jan 07 19:13:29 <csdb_> Should this be Development Tools/packaging tools ?
Jan 07 19:13:44 <Stskeeps> sdk/toolchain-arm
Jan 07 19:13:53 <Stskeeps> supposedly bugzilla is getting reorganised soon, :P
Jan 07 19:34:19 <csdb_> Stskeeps, filed bug 12116. It took me a while because I went back to compare the source rpms to what I expected to see in them and it seems to be only baselibs.conf missing nowadays. I remember in the past "files_to_exclude" and "binaries_to_prepare" files would not show up in src.rpms, but they seem to be there now
Jan 07 19:34:22 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12116 nor, Undecided, ---, jarmo.kant, NEW, baselibs.conf exists in OBS packages and  doesn't get packaged into  source rpms
Jan 07 19:34:40 <csdb_> I'll continue comparing and if I see anything other than baselibs.conf missing I'll add it to the bug
Jan 07 19:34:52 <Stskeeps> thanks
Jan 07 19:37:21 <csdb_> just got a reply to my query and new ETA is "hoping by end of January"...
Jan 07 19:39:10 <Stskeeps> yeah, i saw - though after the savannah hacks and so on, i don't blame them for being cautious :/
Jan 07 19:42:40 <lcuk> Stskeeps, "savannah hacks"?
Jan 07 19:43:06 <Stskeeps> lcuk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/01/gnu_savannah_hacked/
Jan 07 19:44:35 <lcuk> thanks, eep
Jan 07 19:46:31 <csdb_> anyway to get non-anon access? What reminded me of this was the note on the accelerated rpm that i saw in your n900 meeting minutes
Jan 07 19:46:55 <csdb_> given the "hopefully" part I suspect anon access is now at least some 2 months away
Jan 07 19:48:07 <Stskeeps> csdb_: same way as the rest of us, request an account on bugzilla (community infrastructure -> build service), state what you need it for
Jan 07 21:07:22 <sergiusens> mgedmin: well I tried some special chars in the name tag and they didn't work, just some accented vowels, they did work in the description though
Jan 07 21:07:43 * mgedmin assumes nickname miscompletion
Jan 07 21:08:10 <mgedmin> oh, right, that spec file charset question a long time ago
Jan 07 21:08:15 <sergiusens> nah, it was from your comment 3 hours ago ;-)
Jan 07 21:08:26 <sergiusens> just got back online and saw it
Jan 07 21:08:31 <lcuk> thats quite some lag
Jan 07 21:08:47 <mgedmin> name tag is what?
Jan 07 21:08:50 <mgedmin> package name?
Jan 07 21:08:57 <mgedmin> I'm pretty sure those must be ascii only
Jan 07 21:09:04 <mgedmin> probably also lowercase only
Jan 07 21:09:21 <mgedmin> but don't listen to me, I last saw a spec file in 1998 when I was using red hat 5.2
Jan 07 21:09:28 <sergiusens> yeah, the name tag in the spec file... ascii only, fedora's guidelines specify it, but meego's doesn't
Jan 07 21:09:28 <mgedmin> never looked back after switching to debian
Jan 07 21:09:35 <sergiusens> I just got curious
Jan 07 21:09:42 <lcuk> mgedmin, did ASCII exist then? *grin*
Jan 07 21:09:44 <mgedmin> even if rpm specs are _much_ simpler than debian/rules and friends
Jan 07 21:09:59 <mgedmin> lcuk, didn't ancient romans invent ASCII?
Jan 07 21:11:58 <lcuk> lol mgedmin, no that was MXCII
Jan 07 21:55:48 <smoku> how can I detect in SPEC that the rpm is being built for MeeGo ?
Jan 07 21:56:03 <Stskeeps> %if %_vendor == "meego", maybe
Jan 07 21:56:21 <Stskeeps> (we just fixed this from MeeGo, should have been meego, so your mileage may wary)
Jan 07 21:57:02 <smoku> thx
Jan 07 22:34:10 <thiago> arjan: ping
Jan 07 23:01:45 <sivang> re
Jan 07 23:08:14 <sivang> so what is the process for upload something to build.pub.meego.com and see it build?
Jan 07 23:08:23 * sivang wiki searches
Jan 08 00:32:53 <npm_> what is the difference between "meego-handset-armv7l-n900-devel" images and "meego-handset-armv7l-n900" images?
Jan 08 00:33:25 <npm> does that mean stuff built with debug on, or just extra developer packages?
Jan 08 00:48:02 * pixelgeek1 does the happy dance - his N900 w/Meego makes a phone call
Jan 08 00:50:40 <npm> diffing the packages file tells me "devel" means gcc and other stuff to do devel on the n900
Jan 08 01:24:37 <npm> hmm if i hold it upside down, i can finally get the screen in the right direction :-)
Jan 08 01:37:51 <berndhs> npm: you're on the wrong side of the planet, is all
Jan 08 02:14:01 <CosmoHill> cyas
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