**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 12 02:59:58 2011
Jan 12 03:35:33 <CcSsNET> hi all, anyone got meego on the apad 7" from china?
Jan 12 03:35:50 <CcSsNET> 533mhz arm via cpu/256mb ddr2 ram/ 2gb ultra slow flash rom
Jan 12 03:35:52 <CcSsNET> :P
Jan 12 03:53:03 <CcSsNET> maybe eprom
Jan 12 03:53:09 <CcSsNET> idk that stuff yet
Jan 12 08:16:34 <lcuk> morning \o
Jan 12 09:09:02 <lcuk> I know microsd cards have different class ratings
Jan 12 09:09:07 <lcuk> but do usb sticks?
Jan 12 09:16:45 <Tm_T> lcuk: not that I know
Jan 12 09:34:32 <FxIII> hi all
Jan 12 09:34:58 <amjad> hi
Jan 12 09:35:07 <FxIII> is there a default user login for meego when run in a  netbook ?
Jan 12 09:39:39 <amjad> try meego, meego ?? or root,meego ??
Jan 12 09:40:33 <FxIII> ok
Jan 12 09:40:39 <FxIII> both true :D
Jan 12 09:46:05 <FxIII> -sorry for newbie question- how to install app from command line? (does someting like apt-get exists?)
Jan 12 09:46:44 <Bostik> zypper install FOO
Jan 12 09:51:10 <FxIII> i get an error on signature verification on repomd.xml for core and netbook
Jan 12 09:51:13 <FxIII> is it normal?
Jan 12 09:52:58 <dm8tbr> FxIII: using an fresh image? that's normal
Jan 12 09:53:34 <FxIII> k
Jan 12 09:54:55 <FxIII> where is located the preference window?
Jan 12 10:02:12 <FxIII> there is a problem with the im, it tells to me that there is no connection but i can navigate...
Jan 12 10:02:47 <FxIII> Offline - No Network Connection
Jan 12 10:03:06 <FxIII> on every account i done
Jan 12 10:03:18 <nazgee> Stskeeps: do you have any idea what is the NFC status in meego? I am working on NFC daemon (makes the whole API available via DBUS) and it seems to work on bare Linux. I wonder if I can try to push it to meego somehow
Jan 12 10:03:59 <Stskeeps> nazgee: meego-dev sounds like a good place for discussion, or the FEA#'s for NFC
Jan 12 10:04:27 <nazgee> eeeee... FEA?
Jan 12 10:04:33 <Stskeeps> featurezilla
Jan 12 10:04:34 <Stskeeps> sec
Jan 12 10:04:47 <Stskeeps> http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=nfc
Jan 12 10:04:54 <nazgee> thx
Jan 12 10:05:30 <FxIII> the garage application does not start
Jan 12 10:11:48 <CcSsNET> anyone own an apad? also known as android tablet, epad, iped, mid
Jan 12 10:12:51 <CcSsNET> if so, ill be doing research and stuff on one and have a channel for it, #apadhax here on freenode
Jan 12 10:14:10 <CcSsNET> for the record meego flashed to a tf card doesnt boot in it, lack of inteligent bootloader i assume, anyway ill stop spamming if anyone considers this that
Jan 12 10:14:21 <Stskeeps> is it armv7 at all?
Jan 12 10:14:25 <Stskeeps> or atom
Jan 12 10:16:35 <CcSsNET> arm
Jan 12 10:16:42 <kyb3R> bergie: ping
Jan 12 10:16:58 <bergie> kyb3R: pong
Jan 12 10:32:32 <nebulon> hi, I need to get access to the obs with my meego.com account in order to create packages (I am terminalmode maintainer for ivi profile)
Jan 12 10:32:45 <nebulon> is it the right place to ask for? :)
Jan 12 10:41:49 <alterego> nebulon: ping lbt
Jan 12 10:41:53 <lbt> nebulon: hey
Jan 12 10:41:56 <lbt> alterego: :)
Jan 12 10:41:57 <alterego> Hahah
Jan 12 10:42:04 <nebulon> hi
Jan 12 10:42:12 <alterego> Good morning ;)
Jan 12 10:42:27 <lbt> nebulon: you probably want to use the main OBS? I just do the community one.
Jan 12 10:42:31 <lbt> morning alterego
Jan 12 10:42:44 <Stskeeps> nebulon: for build.meego.com, request an account on community infrastructure -> build infrastructure
Jan 12 10:42:50 <lbt> nebulon: I think you need to log a bug to get access
Jan 12 10:42:56 <lbt> as Stskeeps says...
Jan 12 10:43:23 <lbt> nebulon: of course you can have access to community too if you want to do anything there
Jan 12 10:43:26 <nebulon> ok, hopefully this gets through quickly...featurefreeze is end of this week?
Jan 12 10:43:50 <Stskeeps> nebulon: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2
Jan 12 10:44:20 <Stskeeps> nebulon: quite late to package it up, but good luck - community obs should be OK for general packaging i guess too
Jan 12 10:44:51 <nebulon> in order to get it into the ivi profile, I need the "main" OBS?
Jan 12 10:45:00 <Stskeeps> nebulon: pretty much, or someone else submitting the package for you
Jan 12 10:45:37 <nebulon> ok, I'll try to get it in there :-)
Jan 12 10:45:40 <nebulon> thanks!
Jan 12 10:46:48 <nebulon> "community infrastructure -> build infrastructure" this is for community...how is the way to get access to the main obs?
Jan 12 10:47:57 <Stskeeps> nebulon: no, that's for build.meego.com
Jan 12 10:49:04 <Stskeeps> we're all in the community together :) there's just a difference between main OBS, which is for people who have commit access, resources for the 'product' and community which is for all sorts of development
Jan 12 10:49:26 <Stskeeps> like app development
Jan 12 10:49:44 <X-Fade> And the community obs doesn't have an entry there... yet.
Jan 12 10:49:46 <Stskeeps> there's no good scheduling of resources to prioritize the 'product' above all other builds, hence seperation
Jan 12 10:55:37 <nebulon> http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder
Jan 12 10:56:13 <nebulon> is the bug entry, so you get my reasons explained?
Jan 12 10:56:29 <nebulon> and my user account :)
Jan 12 10:56:44 <nebulon> (I'm from the Qt team in nokia)
Jan 12 10:57:13 <Myrtti> wwwwwhheeeeee http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5348304277/
Jan 12 10:57:16 <Myrtti> I feel like a winner
Jan 12 10:57:37 <mece> Myrtti, what am I looking at?
Jan 12 10:58:18 <Myrtti> mece: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qml-intro.html
Jan 12 10:58:31 <mece> oh hehehe :)
Jan 12 10:58:38 <Myrtti> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/images/qml-intro-anchors3.png :-D
Jan 12 10:58:39 * mece <3 qml
Jan 12 11:00:58 <Myrtti> this actually might be the first ever chance of me creating some software with GUI
Jan 12 11:01:56 <mece> I've got this twitter client/rss reader I'm working on that I'd like to try on meego (all versions) so I'm wondering where I might find some nice docs for packaging?
Jan 12 11:02:28 <Stskeeps> wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Tutorial
Jan 12 11:04:38 <mece> Stskeeps, thank you
Jan 12 11:05:01 <mece> rtm
Jan 12 11:05:03 <mece> erm
Jan 12 11:05:09 <mece> that page didn't exist!
Jan 12 11:05:43 <Stskeeps> really?
Jan 12 11:05:43 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 12 11:05:55 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.0/Packaging/Tutorial
Jan 12 11:31:18 <FxIII> there is something like easy_install for install python packages under meego?
Jan 12 11:39:31 <lcuk> FxIII, not sure
Jan 12 11:40:21 <FxIII> mmh
Jan 12 11:40:27 <lcuk> when doing a boot only from usb stick on x86 ideapad - is it  loading complete drivers/os etc or is there a difference in (for example) which kernel mods are used.  (not sure so asking)
Jan 12 11:55:55 <smoku> Stskeeps, http://twitpic.com/3pc4mx
Jan 12 11:57:21 <Stskeeps> not bad
Jan 12 12:09:06 <raghum> New to Meego. Which of the link to use for creating an account "http://build.meego.com" or "https://build.pub.meego.com"? What's the difference?
Jan 12 12:10:55 <Stskeeps> raghum: build.meego.com is for the meego release work, ie, people with commit to submit packages to meego
Jan 12 12:11:19 <Stskeeps> build.pub.meego.com is for all other activities, OSS, around/towards meego, such as app development, platform hacking, etc
Jan 12 12:11:59 <raghum> Thanks Stskeeps.
Jan 12 12:13:05 <Stskeeps> build.pub.meego.com you need to have a meego.com account for and to query lbt or X-Fade with your purpose, since it's still a bit weak in terms of build power
Jan 12 12:13:26 <Stskeeps> build.meego.com is community infrastructure -> build service, on bugs.meego.com
Jan 12 12:17:41 <raghum> Stskeeps, Thanks for the info.
Jan 12 12:33:08 * Zuhaitz Yann Tiersen - Fuck me
Jan 12 12:53:14 <lbt> raghum: I'm about to get a flight... can you ping me tomorrow?
Jan 12 13:12:34 <vgrade-nexus> <lcuk> vgrade, ping me tomorrow please.
Jan 12 13:17:26 <lcuk> vgrade-nexus, thanks \o i might even be able to remember what I wanted you for
Jan 12 13:17:33 * lcuk reviews scrollback
Jan 12 13:17:56 <CosmoHill> hey lcuk
Jan 12 13:23:09 <raghum> lbt, I will ping you tomorrow.
Jan 12 13:24:44 <lcuk> hiya CosmoHill
Jan 12 13:38:52 <CosmoHill> I suppose I should go to uni and do some work
Jan 12 14:47:47 <dneary> Interesting discussion on meego-dev, I think, today
Jan 12 14:50:41 <vgrade-nexus> :)
Jan 12 14:56:57 <lcuk> dneary, theres been interesting discussion around most of the #meego-* channels today
Jan 12 14:57:22 <dneary> lcuk, I miss anything on packaging, arm, ivi, netbook
Jan 12 14:57:32 <dneary> I'm just on dev & community, I think
Jan 12 14:58:50 <lcuk> dneary, sure
Jan 12 14:58:58 <lcuk> I guess you are meaning this thread and related:
Jan 12 14:58:58 <lcuk> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-January/480975.html
Jan 12 14:59:12 <dneary> so what else interesting is happening?
Jan 12 14:59:24 <dneary> lcuk, Yeah
Jan 12 14:59:29 <esdf> hi, any meego phone yet?
Jan 12 14:59:34 <dneary> That's my best description of it, I think
Jan 12 14:59:34 <esdf> or can meego be installed on nokia n8?
Jan 12 14:59:44 <iekku> esdf, n900 is supported
Jan 12 14:59:45 <esdf> (or any other nokia smartphone on that note)?
Jan 12 14:59:45 <dneary> esdf, You can install it on an N900
Jan 12 14:59:52 <dneary> But it's hardly recommended
Jan 12 14:59:53 <esdf> ok, but not n8?
Jan 12 14:59:57 <esdf> dneary: why so?
Jan 12 15:00:16 <esdf> well dno, n900 is not available nowhere in croatia so i doubt i'll get that phone ;/
Jan 12 15:00:19 <dneary> esdf, Well, because it's being built & tailored for different hardware, plus it's not finished yet
Jan 12 15:00:43 <dneary> So you'll be getting a cut-down & slow version of the meego experience
Jan 12 15:00:59 <esdf> dneary: ah, so is tehre any phone taht can actually support the proper meego version?
Jan 12 15:01:39 <dneary> All depends on what you mean by "proper meego version". MeeGo 1.2 will be the first version which will be available on a phone, and it's not out yet
Jan 12 15:01:58 <esdf> dneary: by proper i mean not cut down and slow version
Jan 12 15:02:00 <lcuk> dneary, technically meego project is not being specifically targeted for a single piece of hardware.
Jan 12 15:02:06 <dneary> The 1.1 smartphone UX was pretty poor. It works ok on an Aava though, apparently (although I can't say)
Jan 12 15:02:15 <esdf> no clue what's aava :S
Jan 12 15:02:20 <esdf> anyone tried it on n8?
Jan 12 15:02:34 <dneary> lcuk, Yes - meego core is general, but Nokia's first phone will be meego core + custom UX
Jan 12 15:02:59 <esdf> "ARM based Nokia N900" says here, but there's other ARM based phones
Jan 12 15:03:03 <lcuk> dneary, :) the user did not mention any specific vendor :)
Jan 12 15:03:09 <lcuk> he merely asked if there was a meego phone
Jan 12 15:04:31 <lcuk> dneary, also, the n900 is improving day by day
Jan 12 15:04:34 <esdf> well, speaking of, when's the first meego phone coming out?
Jan 12 15:04:44 <lcuk> harpfp and sgx upgrades are being shoved in
Jan 12 15:04:55 <esdf> + is meego really gonna replace symbian?
Jan 12 15:05:22 <lcuk> esdf, wrt specifics, go talk directly to Nokia PR
Jan 12 15:05:28 <esdf> ;(
Jan 12 15:05:39 <esdf> i mean from what ive heard symbian gets discontinued after v4
Jan 12 15:05:46 <esdf> and nokia uses meego
Jan 12 15:06:12 <esdf> but i've no idea how soon that happens and is there any point in buying symbian3 device now
Jan 12 15:06:39 <lcuk> if I buy a pair of shoes today
Jan 12 15:06:49 <lcuk> and the company who makes them stops making them tomorrow
Jan 12 15:06:58 <lcuk> does that make my shoes any less comfortable?
Jan 12 15:06:59 <esdf> not the same thing really
Jan 12 15:07:10 <esdf> if os gets discontinued then it probably means no new software or updates
Jan 12 15:07:20 <esdf> basically, waste of money
Jan 12 15:07:40 * javispedro ponders when exactly did this change of mentality happen
Jan 12 15:07:46 <esdf> same as when 3dfx went bankrupt, 2-3 months after i bought my latest voodoo card
Jan 12 15:07:49 <lcuk> javispedro, which?
Jan 12 15:07:57 <esdf> only thing available was community made drivers
Jan 12 15:07:59 <esdf> :D
Jan 12 15:08:05 <javispedro> lcuk: expecting "new software or updates" for a released product, I mean.
Jan 12 15:08:33 <Stskeeps> lo Texrat
Jan 12 15:08:39 <esdf> javispedro: do you expect patches for windows7? or your linux distro?
Jan 12 15:08:43 <Texrat> hey guys
Jan 12 15:08:52 <Stskeeps> how's it going?
Jan 12 15:08:55 <lcuk> \o Texrat
Jan 12 15:09:01 <Texrat> ok
Jan 12 15:09:03 <javispedro> hey Texrat :)
Jan 12 15:09:33 * lcuk wonders if texrat is ircing barefooted
Jan 12 15:09:36 <Texrat> going crazy waiting to hear from nokia siemens networks about an interview
Jan 12 15:09:44 <javispedro> esdf: not debating anything. Just wondering when the change happened.
Jan 12 15:10:01 <Texrat> no lcuk i'm in office, waiting for a meeting
Jan 12 15:10:07 <javispedro> Texrat: good luck!
Jan 12 15:10:22 <esdf> javispedro: oh.. well dno, im always like that :D
Jan 12 15:10:22 <lcuk> Texrat, ahh
Jan 12 15:10:33 <Texrat> thanks javispedro.  i really want this
Jan 12 15:10:50 <javispedro> :)
Jan 12 15:11:14 * lcuk digitally crosses fingers
Jan 12 15:12:46 <GAN900> javispedro, probably when mobile devices became more like laptops.
Jan 12 15:12:55 <GAN900> javispedro, also: 770
Jan 12 15:13:15 <javispedro> The first PDA I got that received a single upgrade was the N810 :)
Jan 12 15:13:15 <GAN900> lcuk, the shoes aren't very comfortable today.
Jan 12 15:13:27 <javispedro> ... it was also the last ssu ;)
Jan 12 15:13:34 <GAN900> lcuk, but they could release a modification that removes the iron spikes from the insole.
Jan 12 15:15:10 <RST38h> moorning javispedro
Jan 12 15:15:16 <RST38h> hey GAN, lcuk
Jan 12 15:15:21 <javispedro> hey RST38h
Jan 12 15:15:28 <dwd_> GAN900, You bought shoes with iron spikes in?
Jan 12 15:15:32 <lcuk> GAN900, the spikes aren't a problem, its the cheese wire laces that bug me, especially when I try to tighten them
Jan 12 15:16:14 <dwd_> lcuk, Did you get these from a "specialist" shop, that shipped items in discrete plain packaging?
Jan 12 15:17:03 <lcuk> dwd_, I got them as a bonus in with my variable sword
Jan 12 15:18:12 <GAN900> dwd_, yeah, apparently I'm still an idiot.
Jan 12 15:18:32 <javispedro> iron spikes, cheese wire laces.
Jan 12 15:18:43 <javispedro> did I travel to an alternate reality? :)
Jan 12 15:19:09 <GAN900> dwd_, but it uses a non-toxic fabric that no other manufacturer uses.
Jan 12 15:19:14 <RST38h> soooooooooo
Jan 12 15:19:16 <dwd_> javispedro, Yes. One where the N9 was released on time.
Jan 12 15:19:22 <RST38h> What is new and exciting?
Jan 12 15:19:42 <javispedro> nothing =)
Jan 12 15:19:51 <GAN900> RST38h, Verizon's announcement seems to have renewed the "Is that an iPhone?" questions.
Jan 12 15:19:53 <lcuk> hardfp is being tested
Jan 12 15:20:19 <Stskeeps> works awesome(TM)
Jan 12 15:20:27 <lcuk> and with its offered 700000% speed increases should be quite good when its through ;)
Jan 12 15:20:35 <lcuk> (YMMV :P)
Jan 12 15:20:44 <Stskeeps> i'm more looking forward to speedrpm
Jan 12 15:20:46 <Stskeeps> fast ARM builds
Jan 12 15:20:49 <javispedro> by the non-exciting way, I got the lenovo s10-3t recovery DVDs (free =) ). I could upload them somewhere (2 full dvds) if anyone wanted the ugly&useless windows starter back
Jan 12 15:20:54 <lcuk> yeah Stskeeps
Jan 12 15:21:05 <RST38h> GAN: Verizon made a Nokia-related announcement???
Jan 12 15:21:16 <lcuk> how s the vsync and power management patches coming Stskeeps
Jan 12 15:21:23 <lardman> yes, I didn't quite get that bit either
Jan 12 15:21:32 <RST38h> lcuk: The canonical figure is "over 9000%" =)
Jan 12 15:21:34 <lcuk> i know ile now has them on his build but its hard to see when it will emerge into the final build
Jan 12 15:22:10 <javispedro> Stskeeps: a probably stupid question: did you get sgx hardfp binaries?
Jan 12 15:22:38 <javispedro> or libraries
Jan 12 15:22:48 <lcuk> javispedro, sigh
Jan 12 15:22:56 <lcuk> no, you cannot upload the windows dvd anywhere legally
Jan 12 15:22:57 <lardman> javispedro: I asked that too, but apparently not needed as kernel side
Jan 12 15:23:22 <lardman> I don't think anything is fp in the kernel is it?
Jan 12 15:23:33 <javispedro> lcuk: they will only boot on a s10-3t, theoretically you could make those if you had kept the windows stuff.
Jan 12 15:23:51 <lcuk> javispedro, sure, afaik I can contact lenovo directly and get same disks
Jan 12 15:24:00 <lcuk> but the fact of you uploading is whats wrong
Jan 12 15:24:27 <lcuk> that little copyright thing
Jan 12 15:24:37 <javispedro> lcuk: well, didn't think that way but you're probably right.
Jan 12 15:24:59 <javispedro> lardman: actually wheter kernel-libs interface changes was another question I had. but the libraries surely must be changed aiui?
Jan 12 15:25:31 <lardman> yes the opengl stuff I guess would be
Jan 12 15:25:34 <Stskeeps> javispedro: yes
Jan 12 15:26:30 * lcuk vanishes
Jan 12 15:26:37 <javispedro> lcuk: for the sake of completeness, you can also build the disks by restoring the recovery partition (if nothing overwrote it). that is how I did it.
Jan 12 15:27:25 * lardman reads about sharks in Brisbane streets
Jan 12 15:27:35 <javispedro> sfdisk data for it is start=457453568, size= 30943600, Id=12 , if anyone's interested.
Jan 12 15:28:38 <hena> sigh, there's so much to do with this netbook, i don't even know where to start from
Jan 12 15:30:07 <GAN900> dneary, re: Modest and the use of the term "nice". Are you sure that's the word you were looking for? ;)
Jan 12 15:30:23 <dneary> GAN900, Did I say nice?
Jan 12 15:30:31 <dneary> I thought I said promising for Anjal
Jan 12 15:32:26 <lardman> what's he going to do with it?
Jan 12 15:32:33 <lardman> make it better?
Jan 12 15:33:30 <magius_pendragon> are any media players other than banshee in the repos?
Jan 12 15:34:00 <dneary> magius_pendragon, rhythmbox
Jan 12 15:34:42 <magius_pendragon> dneary: I'll try it, thanks
Jan 12 15:35:07 <dneary> magius_pendragon, You're welcome
Jan 12 15:35:24 <magius_pendragon> banshee is currently refusing to play anything.
Jan 12 15:37:47 <Myrtti> does it howl on the moors instead?
Jan 12 15:38:59 <magius_pendragon> Myrtti: I'd prefer howling. At least then it'd be producing sound.
Jan 12 15:40:00 <Myrtti> fairy 'nuff
Jan 12 15:40:09 <Myrtti> ;-)
Jan 12 15:40:15 <dneary> magius_pendragon, is it this bug? http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11697
Jan 12 15:40:23 <FxIII> are there some issue on booting when installing from a removable device to an usb drive ?
Jan 12 15:40:39 <dneary> magius_pendragon, The quality guys are having trouble reproducing it
Jan 12 15:41:20 <FxIII> i booted the live version from a usb drive, then i tried to install to a usb memory
Jan 12 15:41:38 <FxIII> upon boot the kernel complains it cant mount the root partition
Jan 12 15:42:08 <FxIII> (I changed the root=/dev/sdc1 to sda1,sdb1 to be secure)
Jan 12 15:43:06 <FxIII> any idea?
Jan 12 15:43:18 <magius_pendragon> dneary: could be related, but I don't have the error msg
Jan 12 15:44:53 <magius_pendragon> dneary: rhythmbox won't play any of them either soo...
Jan 12 15:47:22 <dneary> codecs?
Jan 12 15:47:36 <dneary> try from command line, see what shows up
Jan 12 15:48:22 <magius_pendragon> dneary: rhythmbox is giving me empty file errors on all the defaults, and code errors on anything I downloaded myself. So progress
Jan 12 15:49:03 <dneary> magius_pendragon, hmmm. 1.1 with all the updates? You have enough disk space?
Jan 12 15:52:07 <Texrat> meeting over, yay
Jan 12 15:53:48 <magius_pendragon> dneary: yes, I have plenty of disk space. 1.1 with updates repos, though nothing's really been "updated" in months
Jan 12 16:02:21 <dneary> magius_pendragon, No idea, then, sorry
Jan 12 16:02:29 <dneary> Hi qgil
Jan 12 16:02:59 <qgil> hi dneary - glad to see you involved in the MeeGo Conference organization
Jan 12 16:03:01 <Texrat> hello qgil
Jan 12 16:03:10 <qgil> morning Texrat  :)
Jan 12 16:03:12 <dneary> qgil, Glad to be involved
Jan 12 16:03:25 <qgil> X-Fade lbt_away ping
Jan 12 16:03:38 <dneary> Still wondering how much useful information will come from the call for venues
Jan 12 16:04:24 <lardman> qgil: he said he was catching a flight, but you may already know that
Jan 12 16:04:32 <dneary> qgil, I think Amy's idea of asking for a minimum of information with proposals (name of venu, capable of holding X people total, Y in biggest room, and maybe contact details of manager) will help
Jan 12 16:04:58 <dneary> qgil, Some interesting unanswered questions in my replies on meego-dev today
Jan 12 16:05:15 <dneary> Some opportunities to identify places where people can contribute
Jan 12 16:05:20 <qgil> dneary: me too, but it's good to give chances to potential venues
Jan 12 16:05:26 <qgil> dneary: landing on my mailbox right now...
Jan 12 16:06:34 * andre__ wondering what the timeframe for the next MeeGo conf is
Jan 12 16:10:06 <dwd_> Is there anything MeeGoish happening at FOSDEM?
Jan 12 16:13:59 <lcuk> dwd_, at least me and X-Fade are going lol
Jan 12 16:14:16 <lcuk> bergie as well afaik
Jan 12 16:14:25 <Texrat> that should do it lcuk :D
Jan 12 16:14:26 <lcuk> dunno about any specific meego stuff tho
Jan 12 16:14:54 <Texrat> You guys are meego enough
Jan 12 16:15:43 <dneary> dwd_, There will be at least one MeeGo presentation in the embedded devroom
Jan 12 16:15:53 <dneary> And at least one Qt on embedded presentation
Jan 12 16:16:07 * lcuk had not actually checked the presentations yet
Jan 12 16:16:12 <lcuk> dneary, is there a schedule link
Jan 12 16:16:13 <dwd_> Ah, what day's that?
Jan 12 16:16:27 <dwd_> (I'm mostly tied up on the Saturday)
Jan 12 16:16:31 <dneary> lcuk, No, you're getting advance notice from a deep throat inside source :)
Jan 12 16:16:49 <lcuk> \o/
Jan 12 16:17:06 <dneary> dwd_, I think Sunday. Where's the bodage room on Saturday?
Jan 12 16:17:41 * dneary tries to clean up his mind. But "I'm tied up" is one of those phrases I never understood :)
Jan 12 16:18:09 <dwd_> dneary, I did check with Google to see if there was some meaning of "bodage" aside from "I'm kinky but can't type".
Jan 12 16:18:34 <dneary> I sometimes think that phrases like "hanging around", "he's tied up", etc were created for punchlines in cheesy TV crime shows
Jan 12 16:18:47 <dneary> dwd_, bondage - thanks for the correction.
Jan 12 16:18:55 <dneary> Morning DawnFoster
Jan 12 16:19:18 <Texrat> hello dawnfoster
Jan 12 16:19:18 <DawnFoster> afternoon dneary
Jan 12 16:19:25 <DawnFoster> hey texrat
Jan 12 16:19:28 <dwd_> dneary, But no, Saturday I'm doing XMPP for the afternoon.
Jan 12 16:20:32 <Texrat> alright, just joined meego-pm mail list.  let the fun begin
Jan 12 16:21:51 * thiago is a PM and wonders if he should join the meego-pm ML
Jan 12 16:22:12 <Texrat> go for it thiago
Jan 12 16:24:13 <Texrat> i'm glad to see a pm focus for meego
Jan 12 16:25:08 <thiago> pm focus has existed
Jan 12 16:25:15 <thiago> there was just no ML before
Jan 12 16:25:22 <Texrat> although i am curious as to where it will ultimately go, what all it will cover
Jan 12 16:25:33 <dwd_> What's "PM" in this context?
Jan 12 16:25:48 <Texrat> right, thiago, with list comes communications and awareness
Jan 12 16:26:00 <Texrat> product management
Jan 12 16:26:34 <thiago> often when I tell people I am a PM, I have to explain what my job is anyway
Jan 12 16:27:07 <Texrat> same with change management thiago.  people just smile and nod
Jan 12 16:27:32 <Texrat> my wife just says: 'he works with computers.' lol
Jan 12 16:27:48 <thiago> unless it's a voice call. In which case you have to grumble and do "uh-huh" sounds.
Jan 12 16:28:24 <DawnFoster> actually product management and program management.
Jan 12 16:28:29 <DawnFoster> the list has existed for months
Jan 12 16:28:40 <Texrat> right, thanks dawnfoster
Jan 12 16:28:41 <DawnFoster> gettting anyone to use it is another story :)
Jan 12 16:29:03 <DawnFoster> I think they are going to start using it now, though
Jan 12 16:29:19 <lcuk> well it helps if you inform the PMs ;) (example: thiago did not know about it)
Jan 12 16:29:48 <thiago> lcuk: but then you have to find who the PMs are, which is usually done by posting in a ML
Jan 12 16:30:27 <Texrat> and around and around we go
Jan 12 16:30:43 <DawnFoster> here's the official list of PMs: http://meego.com/about/governance/program-office
Jan 12 16:31:16 <DawnFoster> and here: http://wiki.meego.com/Product_Management
Jan 12 16:31:26 <DawnFoster> thiago isn't on the official list anyway :)
Jan 12 16:31:57 <qgil> DawnFoster: who is thiago anyway  :)
Jan 12 16:32:27 <DawnFoster> he's someone who needs to get himself on the "list" of PMs, I think ;)
Jan 12 16:34:31 <dneary> qgil, I think he's Portugese
Jan 12 16:34:45 <thiago> portuguese people spell it without the h
Jan 12 16:35:01 <dneary> thiago, So where are you from?
Jan 12 16:35:26 <thiago> brazil
Jan 12 16:35:37 <qgil> thiago is an upstream PM from Brazil, enjoying the Fjords
Jan 12 16:35:44 <dneary> thiago, Ah. That's almost Portugese, isn't it?
Jan 12 16:35:49 <dneary> ;)
Jan 12 16:35:51 <thiago> dneary: same language, different country
Jan 12 16:35:54 <Texrat> fyi gang: i am being considered for an interview with nokia siemens networks for job i really want... please think positive thoughts for me!
Jan 12 16:35:55 <thiago> pt vs pt_BR
Jan 12 16:36:04 <dneary> qgil, Is Norway upstream of Finland?
Jan 12 16:36:06 <thiago> Texrat: crossing my fingers!
Jan 12 16:36:12 <DawnFoster> Texrat: good luck!
Jan 12 16:36:20 <qgil> dneary: is a fork
Jan 12 16:36:25 <thiago> dneary: depends on the river or current, I guess
Jan 12 16:36:42 <dneary> qgil, I thought that was Sweden :)
Jan 12 16:37:01 <thiago> well, both are a fork of sweden
Jan 12 16:37:05 <dneary> (ah... the silliness. Good for you sometimes)
Jan 12 16:37:13 <thiago> Norway separated in 1905
Jan 12 16:37:20 <qgil> thiago: well, all of them are as fork from Iceland
Jan 12 16:37:28 <dneary> thiago, Presumably because of differences of product vision with the maintainers?
Jan 12 16:37:36 <thiago> yup
Jan 12 16:37:53 <dneary> qgil, I thought Denmark, actually? Isn't that where the Vikings came from?
Jan 12 16:38:02 <thiago> you know, they didn't speak the same language as the maintainers
Jan 12 16:38:13 <thiago> dneary: Vikings were Norse
Jan 12 16:38:48 <mwichmann> finland had yet another maintainer for a while too
Jan 12 16:38:54 <dneary> thiago, Insufficient internationalisation support in the product... I've seen that before
Jan 12 16:39:51 <thiago> well, enough of this. I need to do a checkout now...
Jan 12 16:40:37 <thiago> check out of the hotel and go to the office
Jan 12 16:41:20 <thiago> qgil: I have a meeting from 10:00 to 12:00 and 2:00 to 4:00
Jan 12 16:41:24 <dneary> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Viking_Expansion.svg - looks like Denmark and some Norway to me
Jan 12 16:41:45 <dneary> and some sweden
Jan 12 16:42:32 <thiago> qgil: the 10:00 meeting is off-site, so we'll need to talk after lunch. Ok for you?
Jan 12 16:44:02 <qgil> thiago: ok for me
Jan 12 16:47:22 <mwichmann> okay, at least this link now contains the proper subdirectories, via symlink
Jan 12 16:47:23 <mwichmann> http://dev.linuxfoundation.org/betaspecs/
Jan 12 16:47:40 <mwichmann> can someone poke a bit to make sure they're actually working, and not just for me
Jan 12 16:47:54 <mwichmann> I'll see if I can hack up a front-end page to put here
Jan 12 16:48:04 <mwichmann> sorry, wrong tab, guys!
Jan 12 16:48:20 <qgil> mwichmann: but it works  ;)
Jan 12 16:48:33 <mwichmann> that's good!
Jan 12 16:48:38 <mwichmann> just not utterly relevant here...
Jan 12 16:49:59 * dwd_ is wondering if the Viking Expansion is a free download, or if it's a paid-for addon.
Jan 12 16:51:53 <qgil> dwd_: people invaded by Vikings tend to think they didn't come for free
Jan 12 16:53:20 <DawnFoster> mwichmann: as opposed to the highly relevant viking conversations we're also having here :)
Jan 12 16:53:42 <poutsi> spam spam spam spam etc
Jan 12 16:54:36 <dwd_> DawnFoster, Anyone would think you were being sarcastic.
Jan 12 16:54:54 <DawnFoster> dwd_: never!
Jan 12 16:55:06 <DawnFoster> oh wait, was that sarcastic, too?
Jan 12 16:55:30 <lcuk> mwichmann, oh nice, LSB stuff :)
Jan 12 16:55:48 <lcuk> was wondering about that yesterday when I went through the glossary
Jan 12 16:57:29 <dwd_> DawnFoster, I wouldn't know. I don't really understand this sarcasm thing.
Jan 12 17:01:25 <mwichmann> can ask any question you want (irc.freestandards.org/#lsb is the more native way)
Jan 12 17:11:44 <qgil> DawnFoster: landing in Portland next Monday at 17h, aiming to be on time for http://meego.com/community/events/2011/lmn-portland-meego-network
Jan 12 17:13:41 <lardman> X-Fade: ping
Jan 12 17:17:59 <DawnFoster> qgil: great! The meeting is right downtown, so you'll have plenty of time to get there
Jan 12 17:18:54 <lardman> X-Fade: cancel ping, see #maemo
Jan 12 17:45:44 <guedes> Is it possible to load a ubi rootfs through n900 flasher-3.5? If so, what should go on bootargs parameter root= ?
Jan 12 18:00:56 <Stskeeps> auke: how do we best get the machinename stuff on the road, ideally this week?
Jan 12 18:01:09 <Stskeeps> auke: i'm volunteering for ARM side of it
Jan 12 18:05:03 <sivang> Stskeeps: what's machinename?
Jan 12 18:06:53 <sivang> bugzilla will not make me surrender, I am going to find that bug!
Jan 12 18:07:03 * sivang refines search
Jan 12 18:08:14 <sivang> I wish bugzilla had a 'view recently by you' feature.
Jan 12 18:13:08 <Stskeeps> sivang: meego-packaging, latest post
Jan 12 18:27:57 <sivang> Stskeeps: /me ponders
Jan 12 18:28:13 <Stskeeps> asbout?
Jan 12 18:29:08 <sivang> Stskeeps: aegis-certman
Jan 12 18:29:14 <sivang> Stskeeps: ?
Jan 12 18:29:20 <Stskeeps> aegis is now MSSF, afaik
Jan 12 18:29:34 <Texrat> hey sivang
Jan 12 18:29:37 <sivang> hey Texrat
Jan 12 18:29:40 <sivang> Texrat: what's up?
Jan 12 18:34:56 <Texrat> not much, sivang, other than waiting to hear if i'll get an interview with nokia siemens networks
Jan 12 18:35:06 <Texrat> supposed to hear soon
Jan 12 18:35:31 <Texrat> going crazy waiting...lol
Jan 12 18:37:46 * lardman wishes Texrat best of luck
Jan 12 18:56:17 <lcuk> MohammadAG,
Jan 12 18:56:22 <lcuk> your media player
Jan 12 18:56:36 <lcuk> it depends on MAFW doesnt it?
Jan 12 18:57:03 <lcuk> i dont know much about how MAFW works just having the initial announce where it said it supported different backends
Jan 12 18:57:13 <lcuk> does it still do, and if you used one of them can it work on meego?
Jan 12 18:57:36 <lardman> I think Meego has moved to a successor, but can't remember what it;s called
Jan 12 18:57:48 * lardman tries to remember
Jan 12 18:57:59 <lardman> Grilo
Jan 12 18:58:30 <MohammadAG> lcuk, mafw should work I think
Jan 12 18:58:41 <MohammadAG> MeeGo still uses tracker
Jan 12 18:58:55 <lcuk> yeah lardman I am just thinking from perspective of MohammadAG having startings for it
Jan 12 18:59:09 <lcuk> MohammadAG, do the frontend layouts build/run ?
Jan 12 18:59:16 <MohammadAG> yep
Jan 12 18:59:23 <lcuk> you got screenies on meego?
Jan 12 18:59:30 <MohammadAG> but they're not themed, so I'm assuming that's MeeGo not having themes for Qt?
Jan 12 18:59:38 <MohammadAG> nope, don't know how to take a screenshot :P
Jan 12 19:00:40 <lcuk> hmm this discussion came up the other day
Jan 12 19:00:54 <Stskeeps> could someone give me their /proc/cpuinfo from a n900? my network is acting up
Jan 12 19:01:31 <lardman> my N900 is acting up ;)
Jan 12 19:01:36 <dm8tbr> Stskeeps: email address?
Jan 12 19:01:47 <lcuk> pastebin
Jan 12 19:01:57 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo  | pastebinit
Jan 12 19:01:57 <MohammadAG> http://pastebin.com/iiP1uQjc
Jan 12 19:02:09 <dm8tbr> :>
Jan 12 19:03:00 <lcuk> lardman, whats up with your n900?
Jan 12 19:03:13 * lcuk knows its something on the screen
Jan 12 19:03:15 <lardman> touchscreen broken, can see but not interact
Jan 12 19:03:28 <lardman> which is bad news as there are few if any kb shortcuts
Jan 12 19:03:47 <lcuk> yeah, on unrelated topic I ribbed Mat_Matan about that yesterday
Jan 12 19:04:06 <lcuk> the touchscreen on my n810 is dodgy
Jan 12 19:04:12 <lcuk> it works when keyboard is slid out
Jan 12 19:04:15 * lardman votes for an Alt key on the next device
Jan 12 19:04:16 <lcuk> but doesnt when its closed up
Jan 12 19:04:32 <lardman> cable I guess
Jan 12 19:04:47 <lcuk> lardman, your device is one of the preprod ones isnt it?
Jan 12 19:05:17 <lardman> I think my screen is knackered, if I touch it I sometimes get a mouse down event, but never a mouse up event, which is especially bad as the focus is then lost from the xterm
Jan 12 19:05:22 <lardman> yeah
Jan 12 19:05:58 <lardman> it's apparently still in warranty according to the Nokia website :)
Jan 12 19:05:58 <lcuk> eek
Jan 12 19:06:44 <lardman> anyway doesn't seem worth buying a new one, and am not sure if Nokia want it back so am loathe to send it off and possibly have the repair centre turn around and demand £100 (or whatever) for a new screen
Jan 12 19:06:58 <MohammadAG> hmm, how do you check that?
Jan 12 19:07:39 <lardman> Ask and wait for answer
Jan 12 19:08:26 <lcuk> lardman, who sorted it out for you initially
Jan 12 19:08:40 <lardman> I thought you did ;)
Jan 12 19:10:22 * lcuk grins, can't have been totally
Jan 12 19:10:53 <lcuk> it was Jussi Mäkinen
Jan 12 19:11:08 <lardman> yes indeed
Jan 12 19:11:27 * lcuk opens outlook
Jan 12 19:12:00 <lardman> you poor chap
Jan 12 19:12:08 <Mat_Matan> lcuk: hi, so, you read Pippa Passes? :P
Jan 12 19:12:24 * lardman transitioned to Thunderbird and is quite happy
Jan 12 19:12:43 <lardman> I guess from texrat's leaving he either did or didn't get that interview then
Jan 12 19:13:10 <Texrat> feh
Jan 12 19:13:25 <Texrat> damn xchat ui
Jan 12 19:13:42 <fiferboy> Hi lardman
Jan 12 19:13:47 <lardman> ah, I was wrong
Jan 12 19:13:51 <lardman> hey fiferboy
Jan 12 19:14:03 <lardman> Texrat: thought you'd either got or not got that interview and had left :)
Jan 12 19:14:45 <Texrat> still no call lardman
Jan 12 19:14:54 <Texrat> making me nuts
Jan 12 19:15:01 <Texrat> hey timoph
Jan 12 19:15:05 <timoph> o/
Jan 12 19:16:04 <Texrat> timoph what is mjolk?
Jan 12 19:16:07 <lcuk> lardman, in more uplifting news:
Jan 12 19:16:18 <lcuk> Bug 5711 - Kernel OMAP SGX driver is a development snapshot and does not support hardware assisted vsync
Jan 12 19:16:22 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5711 maj, High, ---, ilkka.koskinen, RELE FIXED, Kernel OMAP SGX driver is a development snapshot and does not support hardware assisted vsync
Jan 12 19:16:23 <lcuk> changed to RELEASED FIXED
Jan 12 19:16:38 <Stskeeps> kernel side, i think the gfx driver changes are still in teesting
Jan 12 19:16:39 <timoph> Texrat: milk in swedish :)
Jan 12 19:17:02 <Texrat> lol
Jan 12 19:17:23 <lcuk> yeah Stskeeps but seeing the sgx vsync FIXED in the same mail makes me smile
Jan 12 19:17:34 <lardman> yay, vsync for everyone :)
Jan 12 19:17:40 <lcuk> http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification
Jan 12 19:17:49 <lcuk> partly because of this page ^^
Jan 12 19:18:12 <fiferboy> lcuk: Did you get the mic working?
Jan 12 19:18:21 <lcuk> fiferboy, I confirmed on the bug earlier
Jan 12 19:18:26 <lcuk> yes, 1.2 release WORKS
Jan 12 19:18:29 <lcuk> :DF so another :D:D
Jan 12 19:18:36 <fiferboy> Excellent!
Jan 12 19:18:42 <fiferboy> I really need a fresh install
Jan 12 19:18:46 <iekku> :D
Jan 12 19:18:50 <lardman> fiferboy: how was Wales?
Jan 12 19:19:11 <fiferboy> lardman: It wasn't too rainy, and I missed the snow - so good!
Jan 12 19:19:13 <lcuk> fiferboy, i confirmed with the usb key
Jan 12 19:19:22 <lardman> fiferboy: Good good :)
Jan 12 19:19:23 <lcuk> boot from usb worked enough to confirm things
Jan 12 19:19:28 <lcuk> before vaping entire system
Jan 12 19:19:38 <fiferboy> lcuk: Good poin
Jan 12 19:19:39 <fiferboy> t
Jan 12 19:19:40 <lcuk> so if theres specific bugs you are waiting for you can
Jan 12 19:19:44 <lcuk> test
Jan 12 19:22:00 <fiferboy> lardman: Does the weather there make you want to go back to India?
Jan 12 19:22:23 <lcuk> fiferboy, did you say you had some apps you were meegoifying?
Jan 12 19:22:38 <lcuk> and did you work out how to make screenshots in handset image
Jan 12 19:22:41 <lardman> fiferboy: too right
Jan 12 19:22:50 <lardman> fiferboy: glad I'm not in Queensland though
Jan 12 19:22:59 <fiferboy> lcuk: I have meegoized my birdlist app and written a new one (lexicon) to try out the process
Jan 12 19:23:05 <fiferboy> lcuk: I'm looking for more ideas, though
Jan 12 19:23:12 <lardman> though heading out to see the folks in SA would be nice about now, had enough of the cold and wet
Jan 12 19:23:23 <fiferboy> lardman: Yeah, flash flooding is not a favourite of mine
Jan 12 19:23:50 <lardman> fiferboy: I was especially taken by the mention of sharks swimming in the Brisbane streets
Jan 12 19:23:57 <lcuk> o_O
Jan 12 19:24:05 <fiferboy> Street sharks would not be pleasant
Jan 12 19:24:12 <fiferboy> The crocs in the parks are bad enough
Jan 12 19:24:45 <lardman> sounds like a deathmatch to me
Jan 12 19:25:17 <lcuk> fiferboy, well having your app running on handset and netbook
Jan 12 19:25:31 <lcuk> makes it easy to picture/visualise syncing the data
Jan 12 19:25:38 <lcuk> so you go out for the afternoon with handset
Jan 12 19:25:50 <lcuk> and then get home and push data into big system
Jan 12 19:26:03 <fiferboy> lcuk: syncing framework already in place and working :)
Jan 12 19:26:09 <lcuk> oooh neato
Jan 12 19:26:17 <lardman> is that specific for your app or generic?
Jan 12 19:26:39 <lardman> since having to use Holly's old Android phone, I'm quite taken by the whole syncing thing
Jan 12 19:26:41 <fiferboy> Through it is through a central mysql server
Jan 12 19:27:26 <fiferboy> lardman: That is for my apps
Jan 12 19:27:31 <lardman> ok
Jan 12 19:28:47 <lcuk> fiferboy, does your app work in town centres on friday nights?
Jan 12 19:28:51 <fiferboy> I wrote an sql model for my application and added some sync logic to communicate with a remote server
Jan 12 19:29:07 <fiferboy> lcuk: I'm not sure how to answer that...
Jan 12 19:29:13 <lcuk> :D
Jan 12 19:29:31 <lardman> fiferboy: I was wondering if it would allow you to sync the whole workflow so you have exactly the same data on your netbook + handset
Jan 12 19:29:40 <lardman> lcuk: hotornot?
Jan 12 19:30:16 <lcuk> lardman, well from what I recall about fiferboys' app it allows stats as well as photos :P
Jan 12 19:30:33 <lardman> yeah, but does it come with a tapemeasure?
Jan 12 19:30:41 <fiferboy> lardman: Yes, I can sync with multiple devices each having a copy of the data, and it only takes differences from the last sync to speed it up
Jan 12 19:30:51 <lardman> fiferboy: cool
Jan 12 19:31:21 <fiferboy> Now I need an app idea to code that people would actually want to use :/
Jan 12 19:32:07 <Texrat> fiferboy we need a game about Meegons ;D
Jan 12 19:32:35 <lardman> fiferboy: augmented reality? CD/book/DVD database
Jan 12 19:32:37 <fiferboy> Texrat: Any ideas?
Jan 12 19:32:46 * lardman thinks of the apps he's trying to get done
Jan 12 19:32:51 <dm8tbr> a MeeGoons jump and run maybe? :)
Jan 12 19:32:51 <fiferboy> lardman: CD/book/DVD database would be right up my alley!
Jan 12 19:32:58 <lardman> fiferboy: cool
Jan 12 19:33:02 <lcuk> fiferboy, what will happen when 100k users go birdwatching, do they all need their own database
Jan 12 19:33:03 <smoku> is there /etc/X11/Xsession.d equivalent in meego?
Jan 12 19:33:04 <Texrat> I
Jan 12 19:33:05 <fiferboy> Personal Library
Jan 12 19:33:13 <lardman> well I've sort of started in Python - itemdb in Garage
Jan 12 19:33:18 <lardman> yeah like personal library
Jan 12 19:33:21 <lcuk> fiferboy, if only there was also some kind of barcode input mechanism
Jan 12 19:33:25 <fiferboy> lcuk: Yes, they need a mysql server unfortunately
Jan 12 19:33:28 <Texrat> I am thinking angry birds but with meegons, and rubber bullets
Jan 12 19:33:30 <lardman> with DBus hook into mBarcode to accept EANs
Jan 12 19:33:38 <Texrat> or maybe glue guns
Jan 12 19:33:40 <fiferboy> lardman: That sounds awesome
Jan 12 19:33:43 <lardman> lcuk: ah, I've already done that you see ;)
Jan 12 19:34:07 <Texrat> or silly string
Jan 12 19:34:12 <lcuk> Texrat, i certainly agree we need animated meegons
Jan 12 19:34:14 <lardman> fiferboy: but I've been a bit busy with the mBarcode Python plugin arch, so haven't been able to spend much time getting it working
Jan 12 19:34:21 <lcuk> the ones in the video at the conf were great
Jan 12 19:34:29 <fiferboy> lardman: Python?
Jan 12 19:34:33 <lcuk> but making them live and controllable
Jan 12 19:34:45 <lcuk> but i am off
Jan 12 19:34:49 <lcuk> tracy mentioned food b4
Jan 12 19:34:53 <lcuk> and am starving
Jan 12 19:35:02 <Texrat> feh
Jan 12 19:35:35 <lardman> fiferboy: basically using a Python plugin to issue a DBus call to the itemdb app (or whichever) which will start it and give it the barcode, which it then looks up, compared with your existing db (as I have troubles knowing which books and DVDs I already own) and allows you to save the item in arbitrary lists
Jan 12 19:35:59 <Texrat> i will start a wiki page for meegon game ideas
Jan 12 19:36:01 <lardman> fiferboy: I started in Python as I thought it would be easier to do the Amazon webscraping stuff
Jan 12 19:36:07 <fiferboy> lardman: If you are already working on that I won't step on your toes
Jan 12 19:36:17 <lardman> no go for it by all means
Jan 12 19:36:20 <fiferboy> That sounds awesome, though.  Way easier to input data
Jan 12 19:37:17 <lardman> as long as any app either listens for a BarcodeDecoded signal, or as an mBarcode plugin that will wake it and send it the data over DBus I'm happy
Jan 12 19:37:33 <lardman> fiferboy: you'd prefer C++?
Jan 12 19:37:54 <fiferboy> lardman: I just haven't gotten into Python yet.  C++ is what I'm using now
Jan 12 19:38:00 <lardman> My initial C/C++ webscraping attempts were a little segfault-ridden :)
Jan 12 19:38:11 <fiferboy> I hear you
Jan 12 19:38:19 <lardman> I'm happy with either, as long as I don't need to write bloody html parsing code! :)
Jan 12 19:40:26 * lardman also hears something about food, bbiab
Jan 12 19:40:28 <fiferboy> I'll brain storm up some ideas for database structure and interface
Jan 12 19:40:41 <fiferboy> lardman: Do you mind if I bug you for details about barcodes some time?
Jan 12 19:40:48 <lardman|afk> fiferboy: by all means
Jan 12 19:41:14 <lardman|afk> fiferboy: I'll email you my thoughts on the structure of the app so far, am more than happy to have things thrown out/changed
Jan 12 19:41:31 <lardman|afk> and also happy to move to C++ if you want
Jan 12 19:41:32 <fiferboy> lardman|afk: Sounds great!  Thanks
Jan 12 19:41:53 * lardman|afk wonders if this Android hunk of junk has remembered fiferboy's email
Jan 12 19:42:00 <lardman|afk> ah, Google I guess?
Jan 12 19:42:25 <fiferboy> lardman|afk: I'll IM you my address
Jan 12 19:42:34 <fiferboy> Actually, it is the same as the IM address :)
Jan 12 19:42:35 <lardman|afk> am I online somewhere?
Jan 12 19:42:48 <fiferboy> lardman|afk: Not google right now, but facebook I think
Jan 12 19:42:48 <lardman|afk> ok, I'll find it and if not will give you a shout in a bit
Jan 12 19:43:14 <lardman|afk> fiferboy: God only knows what the wonders of Android are doing with my personal info ;)
Jan 12 19:43:29 <fiferboy> lardman|afk: Only good things, I like to think
Jan 12 19:43:46 <lardman|afk> lol
Jan 12 19:57:52 <alterego> qgil: hey quim, did you get my email? Happy New Year btw :)
Jan 12 20:11:52 <lcuk> fiferboy, how would you deal with serverless
Jan 12 20:12:16 <lcuk> or alternatively, can your netbook act as server
Jan 12 20:12:28 <fiferboy> lcuk: I haven't thought of serverless, do you have any suggestions for communication?
Jan 12 20:13:06 <fiferboy> I guess having one client dedicated as the "server" would work fine with my method, but communicating between them would be the issue
Jan 12 20:13:19 <dwd_> fiferboy, XMPP?
Jan 12 20:13:35 <fiferboy> From a database standpoint there is nothing that need mysql, it was just easiest to communicate remotely with
Jan 12 20:13:41 <lcuk> thats certainly one possibility dwd_ :)
Jan 12 20:13:46 <lcuk> fiferboy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VArTvtR4kow
Jan 12 20:13:49 <fiferboy> I will look into XMPP
Jan 12 20:14:03 <lcuk> konttori_work, has a nice qml demo showing also html webserver on device
Jan 12 20:14:54 <dwd_> fiferboy, There's some serverless stuff based around DNS-SD etc, and that's already implemented as part of the Telepathy/Gabble framework on a MeeGo (or Maemo) device.
Jan 12 20:14:59 <fiferboy> lcuk: A webserver on the device would work, but hopefully something with simpler set-up for the user
Jan 12 20:15:07 <lcuk> dwd_, do you talk to any of my colleagues at collabora?
Jan 12 20:15:26 <dwd_> fiferboy, Whether you can hack your way into that I don't know, but I think the Collabora folk built some Tubes stuff or something to help with this kind of thing.
Jan 12 20:15:35 <fiferboy> dwd_: Thanks, I'll take a look
Jan 12 20:16:06 <dwd_> lcuk, Yeah - didn't realise you were Collabora. I know Sjoerd, Will, and Rob. (Known Rob since before Collabora, he used to be in my local LUG)
Jan 12 20:16:53 <lcuk> :D
Jan 12 20:17:26 <lcuk> i guess you are doing the XMPP sandwich around fosdem?
Jan 12 20:18:03 <lcuk> dwd_, i have tried to ask (though might have asked incorrectly) with xmpp, i have 3 devices, all acting as "me", how do I differentiate them?
Jan 12 20:18:21 <lcuk> and will messages end up at all 3 of them
Jan 12 20:18:33 <lcuk> under normal circumstanes
Jan 12 20:18:37 <lcuk> circumstances
Jan 12 20:20:01 <lcuk> the multiple "me" devices would be handset netbook laptop
Jan 12 20:20:06 <petteri> xmpp has priority, normally messages should go to client with the biggest priority
Jan 12 20:20:28 <lcuk> is there a way to direct at specific device though?
Jan 12 20:20:56 <petteri> you should have different resource for different devices
Jan 12 20:20:57 <lcuk> so if I wanted my handset to pass data to the stay at home laptop
Jan 12 20:21:14 <lcuk> petteri, different accounts?
Jan 12 20:21:18 <petteri> no the same
Jan 12 20:21:26 <berndhs> xmpp has "resource" ids, basically connections
Jan 12 20:21:36 <petteri> you can have petteri@jabber.org/laptop and petteri@jabber.org/desktop
Jan 12 20:21:47 <lcuk> and that answers it perfectly :D
Jan 12 20:21:49 <lcuk> thanks
Jan 12 20:22:16 * lcuk must have described it wrong when I was thinking about it last time
Jan 12 20:22:27 <petteri> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Messaging_and_Presence_Protocol#Decentralization_and_addressing
Jan 12 20:23:41 <lcuk> cool
Jan 12 20:27:42 <dwd_> lcuk, Those different resources can also have difference presence. So, for example, you might have your N900 saying "Busy" and with a low priority, so messages only go there when you're not signed in at the desktop. (WHere you might be "chatty".
Jan 12 20:28:13 <qgil> hi alterego - email about what (sorry)
Jan 12 20:28:43 <lcuk> dwd_, :) the more I hear about XMPP, the better it gets
Jan 12 20:29:27 <dwd_> lcuk, It's an IM system written after all the annoying bits of the other ones were well-known, so it's hardly surprising.
Jan 12 20:29:55 * lcuk nods
Jan 12 20:33:31 <smoku> dwd_, but this also gave an option to copy-paste some of the bad designs of legacy IM systems
Jan 12 20:33:57 <poutsi> now if only someone made a gateway that made the whole of ircnet and freenode accessible from jabber
Jan 12 20:34:16 <smoku> poutsi, I am using such gateway right now ;P
Jan 12 20:34:37 <dwd_> smoku, There's some poor bits of design in XMPP, for sure, but I don't think many bad things got copied from existing IM systems.
Jan 12 20:34:40 <poutsi> smoku, who's hosting?
Jan 12 20:34:46 <smoku> poutsi, me
Jan 12 20:34:50 <poutsi> exactly :)
Jan 12 20:34:56 <dwd_> poutsi, You can find IRC gateways in plenty of places, or run your own.
Jan 12 20:34:57 <smoku> poutsi, irc.chrome.im
Jan 12 20:34:58 <poutsi> sorry, I actually meant a service
Jan 12 20:35:52 <poutsi> ideally it'd have to be some sort of combination of gateway and bouncer
Jan 12 20:35:59 <poutsi> because I like me some backlog
Jan 12 20:36:11 <smoku> dwd_, yes. not that much. mainly by early jabber.  i.e what is the difference between away and xa?
Jan 12 20:36:33 <dwd_> smoku, Right, the presence <show/> bits are indeed a bit weird and underspecified.
Jan 12 20:36:49 <dwd_> smoku, Hence my continuous argument over what "busy" should mean.
Jan 12 20:36:51 <smoku> poutsi, yes. this is the thing that annoys me most. fortunately most of the channels I use are logged
Jan 12 20:37:13 <smoku> dwd_, these were copy-pasted from ICQ ;-)
Jan 12 20:37:25 <dwd_> smoku, Yup, fair point. :-)
Jan 12 20:38:13 <lcuk> wasn't SACII invented to enable IRC?
Jan 12 20:38:19 <lcuk> ASCII ffs
Jan 12 20:38:23 <smoku> dwd_, but I'm in the everything-is-pubsub camp, so I fint the whole <presence/> packet unnecesary
Jan 12 20:38:24 * lcuk gets a new keyboard ;)
Jan 12 20:38:42 <poutsi> smoku, I find I've got this bi-annual thing where I feel like moving away from screen+irssi to something
Jan 12 20:38:57 <poutsi> then I always go back to the conclusion that it's just the best there is
Jan 12 20:39:00 <poutsi> who knows
Jan 12 20:39:31 <poutsi> now; precious sleep
Jan 12 20:40:08 <smoku> poutsi, that really depends on whether you _need_ to read the whole backlog.  I don't, so the gateway suits me well
Jan 12 20:42:48 <dicebox> hello, i tried to follow the nfs-root over usb networking howto in the meego wiki, but i just get a black screen , and after around one minut my n900 reboot in storage mode
Jan 12 20:43:24 <dicebox> i managed to change some init scripts to try to get some more output
Jan 12 20:43:50 <lardman|afk> fiferboy: email en-route
Jan 12 20:43:52 <dicebox> i was able two times to see errors related to nfs server access
Jan 12 20:44:13 <fiferboy> lardman|afk: Thanks, I'll hold my breath until it arrives
Jan 12 20:44:23 <lardman|afk> ;)
Jan 12 20:44:29 <dicebox> i'm out of idea how to get it working
Jan 12 20:44:48 <dicebox> it seems it loses nfs server after some time
Jan 12 20:45:26 * fiferboy exhales
Jan 12 20:46:33 <dicebox> in host, module cdc_eem reports errors about "usb0: unexpected link command 5", it could be related
Jan 12 20:55:25 <fiferboy> lardman: Thanks for the details.  Structure-wise it sounds very close to what I already have in place for birdlist
Jan 12 20:55:50 <lardman> cool, well hopefully we can do some coding then
Jan 12 20:55:55 <fiferboy> Multiple lists, multiple categories
Jan 12 20:57:00 <lardman> only question here is how to decide the categories
Jan 12 20:57:11 <lardman> e.g. list of books or DVDs would be fine, but what about a wishlist
Jan 12 20:57:28 <lardman> and each db "row" would need to contain similar by slightly different data
Jan 12 20:57:46 <fiferboy> I have categories being user-defined but only one level deep right now
Jan 12 20:57:55 <fiferboy> "top level" "year lists" "trip lists" etc
Jan 12 20:58:14 <fiferboy> But my data is the same type for each list
Jan 12 20:59:07 <lardman> I think the data here are similar enough, as long as there are enough fields to contain all the relevant info
Jan 12 21:00:42 <fiferboy> Right.  You mentioned you have a start on things with itemDB?
Jan 12 21:01:30 <lardman> yep, doesn't run, but shows the overall structure of the code I was thinking of
Jan 12 21:01:39 <lardman> but if you prefer C++ that's not a problem
Jan 12 21:03:05 * lardman curses the funny little usb shaped charger port on his a2dp headset for which he seems to have lost the charger
Jan 12 21:04:09 <kyb3R> Texrat: about the meegons
Jan 12 21:06:23 <Texrat> yes?
Jan 12 21:06:38 <kyb3R> one of our member created some meegons already
Jan 12 21:06:39 <kyb3R> http://koti.mbnet.fi/jiiskii/team_meegons.png
Jan 12 21:06:40 <Texrat> i'll get them!
Jan 12 21:06:48 <Texrat> ah...
Jan 12 21:07:19 <kyb3R> but theres' a few difficult once, some meegons are not exactly what ppl want
Jan 12 21:07:23 <Texrat> well, if you need anything more i am finally getting some free time
Jan 12 21:07:36 <Texrat> ok, i csn fix
Jan 12 21:07:43 <Texrat> can*
Jan 12 21:07:50 <kyb3R> yes, perhaps you could take one or two of the 'hard ones'
Jan 12 21:07:58 <Texrat> sorry for delay
Jan 12 21:08:01 <kyb3R> np
Jan 12 21:08:05 <kyb3R> I understand
Jan 12 21:08:44 <Texrat> current job is a bitch... but i am hoping to hesr from nokia siemens neteorks soon on an interview
Jan 12 21:08:47 <kyb3R> the second from the left (marketing) and last (Hosting) are not good
Jan 12 21:08:53 <Texrat> hear*
Jan 12 21:09:21 <alterego> Good luck Texrat :)
Jan 12 21:09:40 <Texrat> kyb3r i just replied to your marketing email
Jan 12 21:09:45 <kyb3R> i noticed
Jan 12 21:09:49 <Texrat> thanks alterego!
Jan 12 21:10:00 <kyb3R> that's why I hurried here to contact you :)
Jan 12 21:10:25 <alterego> qgil: the email about a dev N900 (I'm Tom Swindell)
Jan 12 21:10:55 <alterego> We spoke before xmas, and you asked me to mail you in the new year, :)
Jan 12 21:11:03 <dwd_> kyb3R, I'd say the second from the right would be marketing, judging by the marketing folk I know.
Jan 12 21:11:17 <kyb3R> :)
Jan 12 21:11:41 <kyb3R> that's Party Team
Jan 12 21:11:42 <Texrat> ok
Jan 12 21:14:46 <kyb3R> besides one of teams (Hacker team) does not have logo yet
Jan 12 21:14:49 * lardman has to be out of the house at 6.30am, so time for bed
Jan 12 21:15:03 <lardman> fiferboy: will give you a shout tomorow evening when I'm back
Jan 12 21:15:05 <lardman> night all
Jan 12 21:15:27 <fiferboy> lardman|gone: Night!
Jan 12 21:18:02 <Texrat> arg, three days and still no call from nsn... getting worried
Jan 12 21:19:17 <Ans5i> what's nsn?
Jan 12 21:20:01 <GAN900> The girl who's not going to call Texrat back. :P
Jan 12 21:20:04 <Ans5i> i think teams could also draft their own suggestion.
Jan 12 21:20:09 <Ans5i> ah ok :)
Jan 12 21:20:10 <kyb3R> Nokia Siemens Network
Jan 12 21:20:25 <Ans5i> yeah i guess that. i was just wondering.
Jan 12 21:20:33 <Ans5i> i worked there few years.
Jan 12 21:20:58 <alterego> Nokia bought Siemens?
Jan 12 21:21:13 <Ans5i> no?
Jan 12 21:21:30 <Ans5i> they merged their network stuff
Jan 12 21:21:32 <kyb3R> Ans5i: really give bunch of kernel hackers freedom to draft a logo for them? huh :)
Jan 12 21:21:42 <Ans5i> draft.
Jan 12 21:21:56 <Ans5i> some symbol that they can identify
Jan 12 21:21:59 <alterego> Oh right
Jan 12 21:22:08 <Ans5i> less brainwork artists like Texrat
Jan 12 21:22:12 <Texrat> no alterego, it's a spinoff
Jan 12 21:22:38 <Texrat> what's that ans51?
Jan 12 21:22:52 <kyb3R> Ans5i: but the time it probably takes is longer than we have
Jan 12 21:23:30 <Texrat> shaddap gan900. .. i need you to think positive.
Jan 12 21:23:38 <Texrat> bastage
Jan 12 21:23:39 <Ans5i> Texrat: There isn't too many artist. but if people want some symbol for identification it should be too difficult to invent in brain strom.
Jan 12 21:24:40 <Texrat> there are several people in meego with graphics skills, just can't get them engaged...
Jan 12 21:24:57 <Texrat> gan900 i WANT this job!
Jan 12 21:26:04 <alterego> GAN900: hasn't thought positive since the 80s
Jan 12 21:26:17 <alterego> Actually since the N800
Jan 12 21:26:25 <Texrat> he was a baby then
Jan 12 21:26:34 <Ans5i> bastage?
Jan 12 21:26:44 <Texrat> slang
Jan 12 21:26:57 <Ans5i> me?
Jan 12 21:27:11 <DawnFoster> texrat's trying not to trigger my profanity filter :)
Jan 12 21:27:27 <Texrat> hey i'm hanging with some pandaboard folks tonight... beer, etc
Jan 12 21:27:54 <Texrat> not you ans51, gan900
Jan 12 21:28:20 <Texrat> he knows he's a bastage
Jan 12 21:28:46 <Ans5i> no stress. have nice evening :)
Jan 12 21:28:53 <Texrat> but a good one
Jan 12 21:28:58 <Ans5i> yep.
Jan 12 21:29:24 <Ans5i> there is other places than nsn too.
Jan 12 21:29:49 <Texrat> true, but the job they have is perfect for me in every way
Jan 12 21:30:00 <Texrat> current job sucks
Jan 12 21:30:02 <GAN900> Ehehe
Jan 12 21:30:11 <alterego> I'm tempted to get a panda board,
Jan 12 21:30:13 <Texrat> quiet you
Jan 12 21:30:23 <alterego> But I'm tempted to get a few things.
Jan 12 21:30:48 <alterego> Kindle or Pandaboard
Jan 12 21:31:04 <Texrat> hang tight, alterego, a few free ones will be available
Jan 12 21:31:05 <alterego> Will be my next purchase when I have the cash
Jan 12 21:31:13 <GAN900> DawnFoster, bastage is perfectly ligitimate profanity.
Jan 12 21:31:23 <alterego> That would be helpful :)
Jan 12 21:31:25 <Texrat> for innovative projects
Jan 12 21:31:35 <GAN900> It's bastard without the implication of out-of-wedlock parentage.
Jan 12 21:31:59 <DawnFoster> GAN900: but I have to harass Texrat about something :)
Jan 12 21:32:16 <GAN900> alterego, Kindle is pointless when you have an N900.
Jan 12 21:32:25 <Texrat> really?  i didn't mean to be so easy on you gan900
Jan 12 21:32:37 <GAN900> He's a Californian stuck in Texas. He's harassed enough. *g*
Jan 12 21:32:49 <alterego> GAN900: I dunno, the screen is nicer for reading
Jan 12 21:32:51 <DawnFoster> GAN900: excellent point
Jan 12 21:32:56 <Texrat> being harassed = acknowledgement of existence
Jan 12 21:33:07 <Texrat> true gan900
Jan 12 21:33:14 <Texrat> tired of texas
Jan 12 21:33:28 <GAN900> alterego, meh, the N900 is always with you.
Jan 12 21:33:29 <Ans5i> Texrat: what kind of job that would be?
Jan 12 21:33:30 <alterego> That and I can read a book and use the N900 at the same time :P
Jan 12 21:33:34 <GAN900> Texrat, income tax there?
Jan 12 21:33:41 <Texrat> no
Jan 12 21:34:11 <alterego> tbh, I'd carry the kindle with me 80 pc of the time, and sure, the N900 is around when I'm caught off guard.
Jan 12 21:34:12 <Texrat> but way too many hateful rednecks
Jan 12 21:34:36 <Texrat> material for dawnfoster's new site
Jan 12 21:34:51 <DawnFoster> Texrat: you should submit some pics :)
Jan 12 21:36:16 <Texrat> i'll try
Jan 12 21:36:28 <Texrat> my family for starters
Jan 12 21:36:33 <alterego> Oh gawd, not another porn site
Jan 12 21:36:41 <Texrat> buncha bigots...
Jan 12 21:36:50 <Texrat> lmao alterego
Jan 12 21:37:33 <alterego> "Sex Rat" - "Bought to you by Porn Forster"
Jan 12 21:37:36 <alterego> too far?
Jan 12 21:38:17 <Texrat> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccckkkk
Jan 12 21:39:40 <alterego> Heh
Jan 12 22:16:02 <dicebox> hello
Jan 12 22:17:01 <dicebox> anyone could edit meego wiki arm/n900/install/nfs page, to make clear it's a document made for meego 1.0 , and that it doesn't work for later versions ?
Jan 12 22:17:30 <dicebox> i just tried with 1.0 release, and it worked perfectly
Jan 12 22:17:51 <dicebox> unlike with meego 1.1 and daily build of last two days
Jan 12 22:18:58 <Texrat> sure, anyone can edit the wiki
Jan 12 22:20:01 <dicebox> i got other things to do than to manage an account
Jan 12 22:20:26 <alterego> Seems I really killed the conversation.
Jan 12 22:20:47 <GAN900> As usual.
Jan 12 22:21:23 <Texrat> ah well
Jan 12 22:21:48 <Texrat> don't we all have other things to do?
Jan 12 22:23:08 <alterego> Not really, I'm a bit ill at the moment.
Jan 12 22:23:25 <Texrat> conversation killer
Jan 12 22:25:18 <alterego> :)
Jan 12 22:26:04 <Texrat> actually gan900 is the real conversation killer.  he's a master at bombs to which there can be no response
Jan 12 22:28:06 <kyb3R> :)
Jan 12 22:28:30 <alterego> Heh
Jan 12 22:43:46 <GAN900> Texrat, indeed.
Jan 12 22:44:17 <GAN900> So, when did you stop beating your wife?
Jan 12 22:45:31 <alterego> Hah
Jan 12 22:45:44 <RST38h> Should I start quoting SCPs again? =)
Jan 12 22:49:48 <Texrat> lol gan900
Jan 12 22:57:28 <sivang2> anybody know how to copy and paste from chromium to a terminal window in meego on the ideapad?
Jan 12 23:03:30 <Alison_Chaiken> sivang2, have you tried a long-press?
Jan 12 23:03:43 <sivang2> Alison_Chaiken: how do you mean?
Jan 12 23:04:41 <sivang_ideapad> Alison_Chaiken: also, do you happen to have handy the right click how to enable ?
Jan 12 23:05:02 <sivang_ideapad> Alison_Chaiken: I'm trying to find a bug report about that for the netbook, but there are bug reports there that assume right click is alreayd working
Jan 12 23:05:17 <sivang_ideapad> sivang_ideapad: any clue ? :)
Jan 12 23:05:19 <Alison_Chaiken> Sorry, sivang_ideapad, I don't know.
Jan 12 23:05:54 <Mat_Matan> 1st
Jan 12 23:27:26 <vgrade> Texrat, are you seeing Jay from TI? If so could you ask him if he has any news on the Panda's for MeeGo, thanks
Jan 13 00:51:44 <CosmoHill> cyas
Jan 13 01:15:01 <terrylaundos> Hello Guys…. Guys, I'm wanting to work on a Meego's possible to port a chinese mobile MT6235. Any tips?
Jan 13 01:16:11 <terrylaundos> ARM926EJ-S
Jan 13 01:18:15 <wmarone> might be a bit underpowered for MeeGo
Jan 13 01:55:27 <vgrade> http://wiki.debian.org/Sprints/2011/EmdebianSprint
Jan 13 01:55:46 <vgrade> interesting meeting
Jan 13 01:56:22 <vgrade> and also interesting ARM are sponsoring and hosting
Jan 13 01:57:02 <vgrade> bit of a trunaround from the line I had from them when trying to get them to host a MeeGo network meeting
Jan 13 02:21:58 <berndhs> vgrade: aha! they're against us
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