**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 14 02:59:58 2011 Jan 14 06:14:40 obs web interface show :Connection reset by peer. anybody know it? Jan 14 06:30:58 obs web interface show :Connection reset by peer. anybody know it? Jan 14 07:52:15 hi all!!! Jan 14 07:59:03 hi all! Jan 14 07:59:51 i have problem. pppoe conection Jan 14 08:00:15 how to pppoe??? Jan 14 08:04:50 anyone know "Connection reset by peer" in obs web interface, now I can not open obs web ui Jan 14 08:11:58 hlzxy_: Which obs? Core or community? Jan 14 08:12:38 X-Fade: local .. Jan 14 08:13:50 hlzxy_: Then the webui can't connect to the api. Jan 14 08:14:14 hlzxy_: check your config and if the api is running. Jan 14 08:14:37 X-Fade: what's mean : api is running? Jan 14 08:15:30 hlzxy_: Check if you can connect to the api vhost in your browser. Jan 14 08:15:58 X-Fade: no. Jan 14 08:16:24 X-Fade: but I think I changed nothing. Jan 14 08:17:12 hlzxy_: try to restart your webserver. (lighttpd?) Jan 14 08:18:26 hi,how can i get the access to the obs system ? Jan 14 08:18:38 peanuthull: Which one? Jan 14 08:19:52 meego Jan 14 08:20:07 peanuthull: core or community? Jan 14 08:20:16 core Jan 14 08:20:54 X-Fade: I run "rclighttpd restart" , nothing change. Jan 14 08:20:56 peanuthull: File a bug at http://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Build%20Service and request access there. Explain why you need it. Jan 14 08:24:21 X-Fade: I just remote to server to modify the obs repo ,and load some packages with srync. Jan 14 08:25:29 hlzxy_: Well you first need a working api web service. I'd suggest you to try to get that up. Jan 14 08:26:07 Register a account? bug? Jan 14 08:26:22 Build Service Accounts, currently this restricted to approved contributors. Jan 14 08:27:32 peanuthull: core community is for people who is approved to have direct submission rights to meego.com, ie, working on the product Jan 14 08:29:27 o,i see,tks! Jan 14 08:32:26 X-Fade:yes, I can not open lighttpd.conf file . Jan 14 08:38:53 X-Fade: now I use Admin ,and can connect api. but other port no change. Jan 14 08:41:18 X-Fade: and I must refresh once and It will show right when I connet to api Jan 14 08:52:30 morning folks \o Jan 14 08:52:43 well hello there Jan 14 08:56:45 Hi Jan 14 08:57:10 Yes, I think Jan 14 08:57:43 anyone know what time the daily images appear? Jan 14 08:58:14 http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk Jan 14 08:58:25 is showing 13th as latest Jan 14 09:05:55 *<* Signoff: hlzxy_ (Quit: Page closed) Jan 14 09:05:55 *<* Signoff: hlzxy (Quit: Page closed) Jan 14 09:05:55 >X-fade< jtmanner Jan 14 09:05:55 [X-Fade] That account doesn't exist. Did you create it recently? Jan 14 09:05:55 >X-fade< yesterday Jan 14 09:05:55 *<* Signoff: Joppeffs (Quit: Lost terminal) Jan 14 09:05:56 *>* andre__ (~andre@192.100.124.156) has joined channel #meego Jan 14 09:05:56 *<* Signoff: andre__ (Changing host) Jan 14 09:05:57 *>* andre__ (~andre@Maemo/community/bugmaster/andre) has joined channel #meego Jan 14 09:05:57 *>* x_O (~seba@87-207-187-18.dynamic.chello.pl) has joined channel #meego Jan 14 09:05:58 *<* Signoff: lardman (Quit: Leaving) Jan 14 09:06:38 fail. Jan 14 09:06:48 yeah Jan 14 09:17:23 moin, btw Jan 14 09:19:45 morning Myrtti \o how are you this chilly morning? Jan 14 09:20:47 don't know if it's chilly really, haven't checked the temperature here Jan 14 09:21:15 looks somewhat nicer out than yesterday Jan 14 09:23:34 rather nice around here, -12 °C, bright, slowly snowing Jan 14 09:25:19 nice Jan 14 09:25:28 Myrtti, which country are you in? Jan 14 09:26:57 hi Jan 14 09:27:28 lcuk: Germany Jan 14 09:27:31 hiya Venemo_N900 \o Jan 14 09:27:40 hey lcuk Jan 14 09:27:58 awesome Myrtti, holiday? Jan 14 09:28:58 Venemo_N900, am not in #meego-bar I am here flashing pinetrail image and rummaging under my bed for mmc card for n900 Jan 14 09:29:14 lcuk: the usual thing - I have no specific reason for being here, working from 'home' like I would in UK/Finland, weekends are for sightseeing. Jan 14 09:29:20 Hi! Are there currently nightly builds available for MeeGo? Jan 14 09:30:17 lcuk: ok. Jan 14 09:30:22 jmanty: there are biweekly builds, as far as I know Jan 14 09:30:29 lcuk: so what's a pinetrail image? Jan 14 09:30:37 jmanty, http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk Jan 14 09:30:44 uh? nice Jan 14 09:30:47 andre__: lcuk: Thanks Jan 14 09:30:51 plenty of image builds for different variations Jan 14 09:30:55 andre__, yeah :) Jan 14 09:30:59 * lcuk slides a coffee over ;) Jan 14 09:31:38 Myrtti, so hotel or staying with friends? Jan 14 09:31:47 lcuk: short term rental Jan 14 09:32:05 oh thats a decent idea Jan 14 09:32:32 I can't work relying on hotel wifi/prepay 3G dongle with restrictions Jan 14 09:33:00 so this place has cable internets, a pantry kitchen and nice surroundings Jan 14 09:33:16 decent, which city are you in/near? Jan 14 09:33:45 Berlin, close to Bellevue station Jan 14 09:33:52 jmanty, which image/device are you specifically interested in? Jan 14 09:34:02 Berlin is a lovely city :) Jan 14 09:34:45 o/ Jan 14 09:34:57 Myrtti, you never got to the c-base for maemo summit there did you? Jan 14 09:35:04 nope :-( Jan 14 09:35:09 hiya mece \o Jan 14 09:35:26 Myrtti, see if theres any events on, its an experience :) Jan 14 09:36:05 is there a notification framework that works for meego? Jan 14 09:36:29 mece, on handset I gather? Jan 14 09:36:36 lcuk no in general Jan 14 09:36:43 lcuk, but also handset Jan 14 09:36:56 lcuk, would be best if it worked on everything, of course Jan 14 09:37:18 lcuk, it's one thing that qt doesn't seem to provide. Jan 14 09:37:56 I use libhildon-notify for maemo5 and libnotify for other linux in my app. Jan 14 09:39:30 mece, well libnotify does exist afaik (as noticed by bug 10453) Jan 14 09:39:32 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10453 nor, Undecided, ---, syncevolution-bugs, RESO FIXED, patch for libnotify 0.7 Jan 14 09:42:11 last night a posting was made to slashdot which seemed to show something quite o_O inspiring Jan 14 09:42:14 http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/01/13/2248207/Embedded-Linux-1-Second-Cold-Boot-To-QT Jan 14 09:42:52 a detailed slideshow of the work is here http://www.slideshare.net/andrewmurraympc/elce-the Jan 14 09:44:18 now its obviously a seriously hacked up extreme example, but o_O at startup time (of the app, I am ignoring the rest of the bootup sequence) Jan 14 09:54:23 lcuk, ok nice. Then I can use that. Very cool. Jan 14 10:15:18 meh, it's pissing down again Jan 14 10:15:26 depressing Jan 14 10:17:42 walk around in a handstand all day. its amazing how much better it feels for the rain to get sucked out of the ground and try everything Jan 14 10:17:49 dry ^ Jan 14 10:18:55 * lardman wonders how the touch sensitivity is on the N900 when using ones toes Jan 14 10:19:13 not very touch sensitive I bet Jan 14 10:19:33 perhaps lcuk has grown specially shaped toenails? Jan 14 10:21:22 heh Jan 14 10:21:44 interesting that link you posted Jan 14 10:22:51 lardman, yeah Jan 14 10:23:06 if all our apps had startup times resembling that the UX would be really improved Jan 14 10:23:50 and pre-loading as I guess you can't get away with paring Qt back too much Jan 14 10:24:06 though the linking ordering stuff is interesting Jan 14 10:24:51 not sure how "Optimise flash accesses" differs from "Re-order QT application" in his table, will have to have another look-see Jan 14 10:32:55 When will the next release of meego be out in the wild? Jan 14 10:33:11 every day, every week Jan 14 10:33:11 :P Jan 14 10:33:25 Stskeeps: stable Jan 14 10:33:34 still 1.1 afaik Jan 14 10:33:36 5-6 months after 1.1 Jan 14 10:33:44 there's a steady release schedule Jan 14 10:33:46 ah cool Jan 14 10:33:54 nice one Jan 14 10:34:43 pity meego did not borrow from the ubuntu kernel... wifi and mobile broadband support is not there.. kinda silly considering its a netbook OS Jan 14 10:35:06 it's silly there's an ubuntu kenrel in the first place Jan 14 10:35:07 :P Jan 14 10:35:21 yeah more hardware support is silly Jan 14 10:35:23 I didn't know there was a ubuntu kernel... Jan 14 10:35:26 oh well Jan 14 10:35:28 live and learn Jan 14 10:35:50 Myrtti: which ever kernel ubuntu uses includes drivers the meego variant does not Jan 14 10:36:03 you mean modules Jan 14 10:36:09 THIS IS LINUUUUUUXXXX Jan 14 10:36:13 *cough* Jan 14 10:36:32 You knew what I meant Jan 14 10:36:35 <[Rapunzel]> THIS IS SPAAARTA Jan 14 10:36:38 <[Rapunzel]> :) Jan 14 10:37:32 How are you anyway Myrtti, long time no see Jan 14 10:38:06 nothing special really, learning QML Jan 14 10:38:12 long time no "lääkkeet!" Jan 14 10:38:50 Myrtti: I am using chakra myself at the moment.. but kde is a little to hefty for a netbook IMHO Jan 14 10:39:10 plasma-netbook only changes the layout.. nothing more Jan 14 10:39:15 who said anything about KDE Jan 14 10:39:21 chakra Jan 14 10:39:24 I did Jan 14 10:39:30 I couldn't care less about KDE, XFCE all the way :-> Jan 14 10:40:05 right, never heard Jan 14 10:41:48 when xfce lives up to its "light weight" tag I will give it a go on this netbook Jan 14 10:42:51 *shrug* atleast Xubuntu doesn't even claim to be lightweight anymore Jan 14 10:42:53 would be nice if dells dkms was included in meego by default :( Jan 14 10:42:56 and I don't use it because of that Jan 14 11:14:31 yo Jan 14 11:14:33 sup Jan 14 11:14:35 dude Jan 14 11:14:37 heh. Jan 14 11:14:45 what-ev Jan 14 11:19:14 Myrtti: Why do you use XFCE? Jan 14 11:19:35 Myrtti: not liking unity and gnome-shell ? Jan 14 11:20:49 Paddy_NI: because I've used Xubuntu for years, and I like it more? Jan 14 11:21:01 haha Jan 14 11:21:14 meego handset image boots on my lenovo x200s :) Jan 14 11:21:23 Myrtti: Yeah just wondering what about xfce you like Jan 14 11:21:32 Paddy_NI: *shrug* Jan 14 11:21:43 Myrtti: considering its really just a stripped down gnome.. is that it? Jan 14 11:21:45 less clutter? Jan 14 11:21:51 true Jan 14 11:22:11 haven't really given it more thought Jan 14 11:22:17 Myrtti: what are the xubuntu defaults (apps) Jan 14 11:25:42 thunderbird, firefox, abiword, gnumeric, pidgin, exaile, and such Jan 14 11:25:49 I just tend to install a lot of extra stuff Jan 14 11:26:14 Myrtti: ah nice.. so no Midori default Jan 14 11:26:24 I do like thunar Jan 14 11:26:37 never had any problems with it Jan 14 11:29:02 lcuk: Heh... what's that like? Jan 14 11:29:05 sounds like fun Jan 14 11:31:19 Paddy_NI, no touchscreen, so not ideal Jan 14 11:31:26 but was surprised it booted on regular laptop :) Jan 14 11:31:43 lcuk: ah.. hehe I had forgot about touch Jan 14 11:31:46 i then took it to my packard bell onetwo allinone 20" touchscreen computer :) Jan 14 11:31:50 and it booted Jan 14 11:31:51 :O Jan 14 11:31:53 lcuk: must look funny Jan 14 11:32:13 well it was shocking to get it there Jan 14 11:32:38 yeah odd that it even has support for the processor Jan 14 11:33:19 Yum.. smoked hickory sausages Jan 14 11:33:23 :D Jan 14 11:34:15 http://liqbase.net/meego.on.packard.bell.onetwo.20110114_001.jpg Jan 14 11:36:07 lcuk: kudos Jan 14 11:36:45 nice **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 14 11:39:04 2011 Jan 14 11:44:14 question: How come handset build does not adapt to available screen resolution? Jan 14 11:44:25 as seen on the onetwo picture above, it comes up smaller Jan 14 11:44:30 the same issue hit the ideapad too Jan 14 11:44:33 and the x200s Jan 14 11:44:36 and stuff Jan 14 11:50:29 lcuk: maybe the handset build is more device specific so the resolution is fixed Jan 14 11:50:59 i.e. our computer's / laptops could be a number of resolutions but the n900 only has one Jan 14 11:51:09 CosmoHill, its not fixed Jan 14 11:51:15 because with a config option it fills the screen Jan 14 11:52:01 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops#Get_correct_resolution_on_IdeaPad Jan 14 11:52:11 it determines the screen'/s resolution using, damming what's that thing Jan 14 11:52:33 the thing where the monitor tells the computer what model it is Jan 14 11:52:57 xorg.config or something? Jan 14 11:53:03 the x server is at full res Jan 14 11:53:13 cos the cursor goes all the way to the corners Jan 14 11:53:31 oh i see Jan 14 11:53:42 i thought it was only that little bit Jan 14 11:53:55 could the handset UX have a maximum size then? Jan 14 11:54:06 infact on on the onetwo picture ^^^ see the mouse cursor Jan 14 11:54:10 x11 starts it in the centre of the screen Jan 14 11:54:19 CosmoHill, no its certainly configurable Jan 14 11:54:38 if I boot my ideapad now with todays daily image Jan 14 11:54:43 it will boot to 800*480 Jan 14 11:54:46 and have a black border Jan 14 11:54:54 but in the configured install on the disk itself Jan 14 11:55:01 the same software fills screen Jan 14 12:13:10 bug 12455 Jan 14 12:13:12 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12455 nor, Undecided, ---, jesse.barnes, NEW, Displayed UI does not adapt to available screen resolution Jan 14 12:16:42 vgrade, do you find that problem when putting meego onto various devices? Jan 14 12:16:56 or is it something you have just learnt to change when you drop it onto new hw? Jan 14 12:18:08 heya tekojo \o Jan 14 12:18:12 .o/ Jan 14 12:40:45 'ello Jan 14 12:41:52 hi Jan 14 12:45:15 can one use stuff from repo.meego.com on wetab? Jan 14 12:45:30 Mece_: there's people who's booting handset ux on wetab, at least Jan 14 12:45:51 Random, just looked out the window to see a fireladder passing by Jan 14 12:45:56 Stskeeps, I was thinking app and library-wise Jan 14 12:46:18 Stskeeps, are there apps in repo.meego.com even? Jan 14 12:46:26 hi, is there anywhere I can find info on accessibility for meego? Jan 14 12:46:45 fregl: you could try the FAQs Jan 14 12:47:02 http://conference2010.meego.com/session/accessibility-framework-meego Jan 14 12:47:07 was a session at the conf Jan 14 12:47:16 thanks lcuk Jan 14 12:47:17 and I recall that tdriver should be usable for this purpose Jan 14 12:48:52 lcuk: what is tdriver? Jan 14 12:49:24 its one of the support libs within qt which uses introspection to discover the UI component tree (or something) Jan 14 12:49:29 * lcuk waves hands around Jan 14 12:49:53 once you know the components in the UI< you can deal with accessiblity with screen reader components and stuff Jan 14 12:50:33 lcuk: yes, I'd like to know what framework will be used for that since qt currently is lacking on that side Jan 14 12:50:55 too bad there seems to be no slides for the a11y session at meego conf :( Jan 14 12:51:01 fregl, contact the authors of that session and start/continue discussion and help push it forward :) Jan 14 12:51:02 mail author Jan 14 12:51:15 its good that people care :) Jan 14 12:51:21 call me blind, there is no one on the page Jan 14 12:51:53 hmm, bug #1 with accessibility. Jan 14 12:51:55 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1 maj, Medium, ---, vivian.zhang, VERI FIXED, [Tracker] tracker-miner-fs should be auto-started after system boot Jan 14 12:52:00 lol Jan 14 12:52:56 Hahah Jan 14 12:52:57 presenters: Jan 14 12:52:58 http://conference2010.meego.com/people/np Jan 14 12:53:06 http://conference2010.meego.com/people/muktha Jan 14 12:53:18 found here: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/sessions/proposed?page=6 Jan 14 12:53:30 but not on the page itself, thats a drastic accessibility failure if ever I saw one Jan 14 12:53:44 lcuk: thank you so much ?D Jan 14 12:53:47 :D Jan 14 12:55:15 hey Jan 14 12:55:16 Games for cell, for linux and other things acesss my site blog.brunopage.com.br Jan 14 13:00:25 \o konttori_work Jan 14 13:00:59 hi Jan 14 13:16:30 DawnFoster, ping? Jan 14 13:45:04 hi all Jan 14 13:45:46 This is so pretty- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj_FfR3Mcfo&feature=player_embedded#! Jan 14 13:54:50 icy Jan 14 13:55:06 Heh Jan 14 15:08:41 * CosmoHill dances and jumps on lcuk Jan 14 15:36:16 * lcuk slowly dodges CosmoHill and prepares for the weekend Jan 14 15:36:33 I got some of my results back :D Jan 14 15:38:00 CosmoHill, yeah? Jan 14 15:38:40 90% for parrellel computing and 70% for the data structures and algorithms assignment Jan 14 15:39:15 CosmoHill, was the 90% split over all participants? Jan 14 15:39:24 ? Jan 14 15:39:25 or was that concurrent 90%? Jan 14 15:39:33 since its for parallel computing :P Jan 14 15:39:38 lol Jan 14 15:40:08 I saw something about clustering software the other day Jan 14 15:40:20 cant recall where and when I searched I couldnt see it Jan 14 15:40:26 so meh \o/ Jan 14 15:40:35 lol Jan 14 15:41:33 * lcuk still o_O at booting on the onetwo Jan 14 15:41:40 its hte biggest computer I have seen handset on yet :) Jan 14 15:42:02 swap it out to a full tower then it will be bigger Jan 14 15:43:04 CosmoHill, lol Jan 14 15:43:23 since its HD class device (1920*1080) and has tv tuner built in Jan 14 15:43:31 its going to be useful down the line :) Jan 14 15:44:13 I was thinking that it would be cheaper for me to spend money on a PCI Freesat HD card and blu-ray drive than to actually buy a freesat box and blu-ray player Jan 14 15:44:49 the only issue there is you need the cpu/gfx grunt to decode? Jan 14 15:44:56 nope Jan 14 15:45:10 any moden graphics card can offload the work Jan 14 15:45:15 heh Jan 14 15:45:23 you assume modern graphics cards are built into things :P Jan 14 15:45:35 actually I'm thinking PCI-E Jan 14 15:45:51 thats not built in ;) Jan 14 15:46:25 oh, its more than just a tv tuner o_O Jan 14 15:46:32 its freeview one :D Jan 14 15:46:44 I see r.m.c is as slow as always Jan 14 15:47:32 lcuk: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1597.html << that for the case would be sweet :D Jan 14 15:47:50 CosmoHill, no case required at all for this Jan 14 15:47:58 it all fits inside the monitor frame Jan 14 15:48:08 lcuk: my new computer consits of a Intel Q6600, that's it Jan 14 15:48:13 i don't have the rest of it Jan 14 15:49:05 CosmoHill: not a bad start :P Jan 14 15:49:14 My new computer consists of "". Jan 14 15:49:44 Though, I' still happy with my c2d laptop and desktop tbh Jan 14 15:50:11 I keep considering a ram upgrade from 2 to 4 though Jan 14 15:51:01 heya DawnFoster \o Jan 14 15:51:06 my current desktop is a P4 2.8Ghz with 2GB of RAM Jan 14 15:51:17 hi lcuk Jan 14 15:51:22 hey DawnFoster Jan 14 15:51:22 DawnFoster, o_O Meego boots on my big multitouch allinone desktop! http://liqbase.net/meego.on.packard.bell.onetwo.20110114_001.jpg Jan 14 15:51:34 lcuk: thanks for all of the work on the glossary in the wiki this week, too Jan 14 15:51:49 :D more than welcome, was good to have a run over stuff Jan 14 15:51:52 lcuk: sweet Jan 14 15:53:31 * lcuk runs off to start the weekend Jan 14 15:53:34 have fun all \o Jan 14 15:53:49 lcuk: have a great weekend! Jan 14 15:56:17 lcuk: see you on the otherside Jan 14 15:56:32 * alterego is likely in all weekend with this ghastly flu Jan 14 15:56:42 heh nahh I am going to winsford later and hopefully getting very drunk Jan 14 15:56:49 * alterego emails a snotty tissue to lcuk, feel my pain :P Jan 14 15:57:26 winsford, I hear that's a happening place :P Jan 14 15:57:47 lcuk: would you be interested in a london/cambridge meego meetup sometime in spring? Jan 14 15:57:57 well vgrade has one organised Jan 14 15:58:00 but its 200 miles away Jan 14 15:58:07 was actually discussing with lardman last night Jan 14 15:58:13 and that london would be easier to get to Jan 14 15:58:18 I'm going to also be doing a meego demo session in Berlin at somepoint Jan 14 15:58:24 (he actually said birmingham, but thats even less practical) Jan 14 15:58:24 Oh cool, Jan 14 15:58:32 Urgh, no thanks :P Jan 14 15:58:50 nothing wrong with birmingham, but i get lost everytime I drive there Jan 14 15:58:57 Indeed Jan 14 15:58:58 at least london we could all hit it in a train Jan 14 15:58:59 and get back Jan 14 15:59:06 Yeah Jan 14 15:59:19 going to fosdem early feb though Jan 14 15:59:25 Neat Jan 14 15:59:25 which is gonna be a blast hopefully Jan 14 15:59:43 but I have to go \o byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee again Jan 14 16:00:00 lbt X-Fade tekojo bergie ping Jan 14 16:00:04 I'm meeting up with a load of geeks in Berlin sometime in march or april and plan on doing a meego demo Jan 14 16:01:29 * Stskeeps ponders what creative things can come out of meego + http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/liveview + http://code.google.com/p/adqmisc/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fliveview (protocol implementation talking to it) Jan 14 16:01:32 A few of them have N900s so I got my hands on some cheep microsd cards and I'll give out some meego handset images for them to play with, as well as a meego sdk vm and give them a run through on app development in qt creator, some qml demos and image creation tutorial Jan 14 16:02:26 Stskeeps: oooh, flashy! Jan 14 16:02:31 It's not a meego thing, but they are all *nix geeks and seem very interested. Jan 14 16:04:08 62 pounds! Jan 14 16:05:37 * javispedro is interested in geeky watches Jan 14 16:05:39 pong qgil Jan 14 16:05:49 unfortunately, most of them have usually <1 day battery life... Jan 14 16:06:30 lbt: did you have a chance to create the bug report and some wiki page? Jan 14 16:06:40 lbt: if not, I can help with the bug report :) Jan 14 16:06:48 javispedro: I liked to look of those bluetooth watches someone got working with maemo, but really expensive .. Jan 14 16:07:03 not a bug ... but I did http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/MeeGo_Surrounds_and_Extras Jan 14 16:07:13 alterego: any link to those watches? Jan 14 16:07:30 qgil: and I've got an entry in my TODO manager ;) Jan 14 16:08:24 Kaadlajk: here's one: http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/mbw-150musicedition?cc=us&lc=en Jan 14 16:08:53 alterego: thanks Jan 14 16:10:47 lbt good enough, I'll create the bug report and we will be set for now - thanks! Jan 14 16:13:16 qgil: I was thinking if I'm unable to get a dev device I might look into getting an N8, at least then I can start targetting symbian with some of my apps and also have a working handset outside of my N900, and task that for meego dev more practically. Jan 14 16:14:16 alterego: regardless of anything, if you have a chance to get an N8 go get it, is a nice product and a clear reference to any Qt app developer Jan 14 16:15:04 qgil: yeah, though I'm not sure I want to waste my upgrade option for an N8 with the possibility of the next tabletesque device out this year. Jan 14 16:15:39 Paying full price for the N900, whilst worth it, was a bank stretching endeavour :D especially now being effectively unemployed. Jan 14 16:16:59 But meh, ignore me, I've got a nasty flu thing and am feeling useless and rather depressed ^.^ Jan 14 16:19:07 alterego: Forum Nokia has N8s for good developers active in the right time and place Jan 14 16:19:46 Yeah, I've heard they've been "giving the n8 out like candy" :) Jan 14 16:20:58 alterego: it's the lead device from Nokia to developers Jan 14 16:21:21 but this is the meego channel, so back to topic Jan 14 16:21:23 Shame it's not my primary target platform, Jan 14 16:21:29 :) Jan 14 16:23:17 lbt: is the a wiki page for the community obs? Jan 14 16:30:10 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder may apply Jan 14 16:34:34 Stskeeps: ah, I wil add it to http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12471 Jan 14 16:34:54 anybody willing to follow the progress of the community OBS, please follow & comment at http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12471 Jan 14 16:39:27 Stskeeps or lbt do you know if the packages web interface plans are documented anywhere? see http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7072 Jan 14 17:15:08 Is there any documentation on using ofono? Jan 14 17:15:21 Basically setting up a data connection Jan 14 17:46:45 Anyone know how "open" Samsung are? Jan 14 17:46:54 and how community spirited? Jan 14 17:47:58 * lardman|home is wondering about an sgx driver for the Hummingbird sgx 540, using the structure of the Pandaboard driver as a guide Jan 14 17:48:37 Is Pandaboard driver open sourced? Jan 14 17:49:17 yes Jan 14 17:49:48 ph5 gave an url in #maemo-arm yesterday Jan 14 17:51:31 I'm envisioning being able to use the Pandaboard user-space opengl stuff if I can firstly write (or see if Samsung want to open source) the driver, and secondly use the same api and interface Jan 14 17:52:06 lardman: What ? We have got an open-sourced Imagetech GLES driver??? Jan 14 17:52:27 kernel-only I guess Jan 14 17:52:46 one can always hope, though. Jan 14 17:52:46 just the intialization stuff you mean? Jan 14 17:52:53 just the kernel part Jan 14 17:52:55 yeah kernel Jan 14 17:53:09 nothing about the libs, etc. Jan 14 17:53:16 there are binaries Jan 14 17:53:25 heh Jan 14 17:53:31 Meanwhile: "Researchers at the University of Michigan describe how to hijack the iPhone's headset port to power peripherals, establish bi-directional communications with them, and interface various sensors, all without jailbreaking your iPhone or having to pay thousands to access to the Apple Dock Connector." Jan 14 17:53:57 RST38h: sweet Jan 14 17:53:57 meanwhile: nobody is surprised Jan 14 17:54:05 * RST38h remembers of Charlie Chaplin trying to make soup from his shoe Jan 14 17:54:36 RST38h: how old are you? :p Jan 14 17:54:46 Cosmo: Old enough to be grumpy. Jan 14 17:54:51 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tiomap-dev/omap-trunk/ubuntu/pool/main/p/ Jan 14 17:54:54 so...14? Jan 14 17:55:10 and to quote ph5, these are pandaboard pvr-omap4 ubuntu binaries in the tiomap-dev ppa Jan 14 17:56:07 Cosmo: I said grumpy, not rebellious Jan 14 17:59:19 Anyways, time to go to the airport. Jan 14 18:00:16 cya RST38h Jan 14 18:00:38 moo. Jan 14 18:02:15 boo, I was making a SVG in preparation of starting to make my own kick ass audiobook player in QML, but inkscape crashed. Jan 14 18:02:29 BOO. Jan 14 18:03:02 clearly, rewrite inkscape in QML and make a kick ass ... svg editor. Jan 14 18:04:18 :-( Jan 14 18:05:53 boo to you, javispedro Jan 14 18:06:41 hey, look on the bright side, you could then make the kickass audiobook player using it :) Jan 14 18:06:49 so anyone know how Android OpenGL implementations are structured? Do they wrap a standard Linux library? Jan 14 18:06:58