**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 20 02:59:57 2011 Jan 20 03:00:33 night night Jan 20 04:19:01 morning Jan 20 04:23:48 evening Jan 20 07:54:12 hai all Jan 20 07:55:50 hi Jan 20 08:27:47 Wifi in school fails. hai all... >_< Jan 20 08:34:14 hi Jan 20 08:34:34 I'm trying to update my image to the latest build version 1.1.80.15.* Jan 20 08:34:52 but then I get the following errors with zypper: Can't provide ./repodata/80423408d0523e03c257b20a8e534b9ceb7dadc8af00d8c78807cf5b27803a39-filelists.sqlite.bz2 Jan 20 08:34:57 even though that file exists Jan 20 08:35:01 any idea? Jan 20 08:51:55 myyh Jan 20 09:21:53 lcuk_tv, are you using _tv to indicate you have an IRC client on your TV or simply that your watching TV? Jan 20 09:31:46 Termana, I was watching tv last night Jan 20 09:32:34 Termana, but based on http://liqbase.net/meego.on.packard.bell.onetwo.20110114_001.jpg which is a HDTV with freeview tuner and main control as IR remote ;) it won't be too long :P Jan 20 09:33:07 ;D Jan 20 09:33:12 ( its also multitouch which was more the point of that device ;) ) Jan 20 09:34:04 Image is still loading for me, I'm having internet troubles, which seems to be stemming from the Queensland (Australia) floods Jan 20 10:35:59 I'm creating package that only contains settings files and does not require building. Any idea, how I can prevent obs to try to run autogen? Jan 20 10:46:30 can anyone confirm if meego-panel-devices is using upower in 1.1.80? Jan 20 10:47:16 jmanty, ensure there are no autotools related components in your package Jan 20 10:48:38 lcuk: I don't have any packages listed as dependencies. Basically I only have package info section and %install and %files sections Jan 20 10:49:25 jmanty, pastebin your spec file (is it spec thats related?) Jan 20 10:49:44 or point to gitweb url for it Jan 20 10:51:48 lcuk: http://pastebin.com/pbKuCpvx Jan 20 10:52:13 #%autogen Jan 20 10:52:19 is that commented out or a step? Jan 20 10:53:41 lcuk: commented out. Aren't # starting lines comments? Jan 20 10:54:10 jmanty, you tell me.. but you say autogen is running and autogen is listed in your spec file.. Jan 20 10:54:33 lcuk: I'll remove the line to see if it makes any difference. Jan 20 10:56:53 sounds like a plan Jan 20 10:57:04 lcuk: that did the trick. Weird, I was completly sure that it was commented out Jan 20 10:57:08 lcuk: thanks =) Jan 20 10:57:15 \o Jan 20 11:44:07 lcuk$ sudo zypper in early_lunch Jan 20 11:57:22 hi Jan 20 11:57:50 hello fale \o Jan 20 12:00:13 The ViGLug is planning a pretty big event in May in Settala (Milan, Italy) and we would be interested in a speackman from MeeGo. Is there someone that could? Or, where can I ask? Jan 20 12:01:59 Fale, cool stuff, do you have website link for your group Jan 20 12:02:33 lcuk: viglug.org and a website of the event is going to be made in a few days ;) Jan 20 12:03:17 and there are numerous places to post information, the easier places are the mailing lists and the forum http://forum.meego.com/ Jan 20 12:03:48 Fale, would your speakers be in English or Italian? Jan 20 12:05:00 (noting your current site is Italian) Jan 20 12:05:17 lcuk: All the talks are in Italian, so Italian would be way better (even because Italian people barely know english :() Jan 20 12:05:43 haha Jan 20 12:10:03 fale, post onto the ML or the forum with informatio nthen, I will try to highlight it to any Italians who come through Jan 20 12:10:46 lcuk: awesome, thanks :) I'm going to post in ML in a few hours :) Jan 20 12:13:48 thanks Fale :| Jan 20 12:13:57 I just got a slap from mrs lcuk Jan 20 12:14:11 lcuk: thanks to you :) Jan 20 12:26:37 * lcuk ponders POTD from #meego-* channels because I have todays already Jan 20 12:26:42 QOTD Jan 20 12:27:37 " there's no such thing as spamming the channel - there's just execuses not to share information so people can share those later when same questions are asked again" Jan 20 12:31:47 Fale, http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/28065735372709888 Jan 20 12:36:24 lcuk: thanks :) Jan 20 13:19:02 Stskeeps, is there some howto fork a package from meego obs? Jan 20 13:21:26 smoku: importsrckpkg Jan 20 13:22:36 Stskeeps, how do I give an URL to remote OBS? Jan 20 13:23:13 Stskeeps, ie. I want to fork a package from MeeGo closed OBS Jan 20 13:23:40 smoku: there's no link between that and community obs atm, so you have to manually importsrcpkg in osc Jan 20 13:24:39 Stskeeps, so what exactly was adverticed at the conference as "opening the obs"? Jan 20 13:25:06 smoku: it is possible to link, just that community obs doesn't do that atm cos of low power on builders Jan 20 13:25:32 (too few workers to handle so many spawned) Jan 20 13:30:17 hi i am trying to install source rpm for kernel using zypper source-install kernel .. its not working Jan 20 13:30:45 i am using 2.6.37-6.10 Jan 20 13:31:24 hi Jan 20 13:31:55 why you need extra package? Jan 20 13:32:28 umm i am trying to get the NVIDIA ION driver to work Jan 20 13:32:35 hehehehe Jan 20 13:32:36 me too Jan 20 13:32:40 on teh ZOTAC box Jan 20 13:32:43 oh really? Jan 20 13:32:45 yes Jan 20 13:32:52 have you succeded? Jan 20 13:32:56 i have now osx on my 1201n netbook Jan 20 13:33:03 and wanted a dual boot Jan 20 13:33:07 not really Jan 20 13:33:17 its a pain, dude Jan 20 13:33:26 i downloaded the source rpm from the website and did and rpm -i but it unpacked it right there.. Jan 20 13:34:01 so i went ahead and tried to change the build link in the /lib/modules to this non standard location .. but NVIDIA's script is complaining it cant determine the version Jan 20 13:34:12 it really is becoming a pain Jan 20 13:34:51 have you upgraded to 1.1.2? Jan 20 13:35:05 i am using the snapshot build .. 1.1.80 Jan 20 13:35:29 http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.1.80.15.20110117.6/core/repos/ia32/packages Jan 20 13:35:35 afaik, you might use rpm -Uvh Jan 20 13:35:40 Stskeeps, oh. and if I would have my own OBS? any howto/doc ? Jan 20 13:35:46 ohh lemme try that Jan 20 13:36:09 U -> upgrade Jan 20 13:36:35 i though meego was a ipad replacement for netbook or so Jan 20 13:36:57 smoku: i'm not 100% sure if linkpacs work across OBS links, didnt test it recently Jan 20 13:37:01 but it still needs hacks and tricks Jan 20 13:37:01 smoku: worth a try? Jan 20 13:37:53 Stskeeps, it was a 'just in case' question. I don't have own OBS yet :) Jan 20 13:38:08 hmm giggler i tried .. doesnt seem to have done nething Jan 20 13:40:01 sorry to hear that from you Jan 20 13:40:19 have you tried -ivh? Jan 20 13:40:26 the main thing is this .. we are trying to get HDMI out to work with Meego .. so that as a hack it will work as a set top box .. with a USB tuner and HDMI out .. but the atom box i have right now .. i have a feeling Meego is not using the graphics card .. Jan 20 13:40:51 BTW, what is the recommended method to develop meego software on IA machine? I cannot get Xephyr to work with acceleration. Qemu? Jan 20 13:41:24 tcs-meego: but what worked for you? Jan 20 13:41:36 everything but hdmi-out? Jan 20 13:41:40 hmm for me.. the USB tuner is working Jan 20 13:42:03 hi, buddies, I meet a problem about start emulator with Qt Creator on fedora 14. Jan 20 13:42:09 i am able to use it with Qt and mplayer ..and throw transparent menu boxes on top of the video Jan 20 13:42:17 just the HDMI out is not working as of now Jan 20 13:43:06 i have tried this using an atom netbook .. as well as this machine.... Jan 20 13:43:11 sage, stskeeps: Jan 20 13:43:14 the graphics on the atom netbook was better Jan 20 13:43:17 bug 12678 Jan 20 13:43:20 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12678 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] BT DUN and Wifi Ad-hoc Missing from ConnMan Jan 20 13:44:04 hi, I post a thread at http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2503, could some body take a look? Thank you very much Jan 20 13:46:08 it should log more info to the console Jan 20 13:46:24 * lcuk hopes that FEA will help with "Connecting Devices" Jan 20 13:57:45 hi, I post a thread at http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2503, could some body take a look? Thank you very much Jan 20 13:58:18 facesea, i come into irc to talk to people, could you give us a brief overview of your problem and then people might go to your link Jan 20 13:58:32 i have been taught not to just click on random urls you see ;) Jan 20 13:59:36 sorry, the problem is that The QEMU can start, but the Qt Creator cannot connect with QEMU Jan 20 14:00:01 I install the sdk, both armv7l and ia32, but in the Qt Creator, Tools->Options->Qt4, Qt Version, only /usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/targets/meego-core-armv7l-1.1.2/bin/qmake, there is no ia32 exist. Jan 20 14:00:30 base on Fedora 14, Dell 640M is used. Jan 20 14:00:54 facesea, ok, the best channel where folks who may be able to answer is #meego-sdk (however there are some overlap, hopefully people there are also here) Jan 20 14:01:26 facesea, has it never worked for you, ie first time installation testing Jan 20 14:01:58 based on the log on the url you specified Jan 20 14:01:58 OK, thank you :) sorry to bother here. Jan 20 14:02:04 it looks like something is misconfigured Jan 20 14:02:06 " Jan 20 14:02:06 package helloworldp-0.0.1-1.armv7l is intended for a armv7l architecture" Jan 20 14:03:35 facesea, noting your install steps, you put on the armv7l sdk, then also the x86 one Jan 20 14:03:42 I wonder if they do not coexist? Jan 20 14:04:03 and hence you have qt-creator trying to push arm builds into what is an x86 sdk Jan 20 14:05:30 I follow the guide of http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Creating_Hello_World, it has two Qt version, but I just one Jan 20 14:06:13 It seems the ia32 version is installed, but I cannot find it at the postion it should be. Jan 20 14:08:29 I want to install the ia32, but even I uninstall the ia32 version, but still cannot re-install it... Jan 20 14:10:52 facesea, ahh you also posted onto the mailing list and the forum :) hopefully someone will chirp up soon lol Jan 20 14:14:17 fale, did you also know about: http://www.meegoit.com/2011/ some collaboration may bring more success to your event Jan 20 14:14:58 thank you, i have fix on this problem more than eight hours, thank you, sorry for my crude Jan 20 14:15:12 lcuk: thanks :) I'll look forward to it :) Jan 20 14:15:50 facesea, do not worry :) Jan 20 14:16:06 hope it gets rectified Jan 20 14:20:15 thank you, bye:) Jan 20 14:47:15 hello Jan 20 14:47:41 do any of you know if usb otg (on-the-go) will be supported in Meego or not? Jan 20 14:48:03 uxman, on which device.. Jan 20 14:48:56 hi lcuk, I'm actually interested in otg on meego for netbook Jan 20 14:49:40 uxman, pass, I thought most netbooks have regular usb and not the OTG variant Jan 20 14:50:25 lcuk, so do you mean it won't be supported? Jan 20 14:51:05 uxman, I don't know Jan 20 14:51:06 I didn't find any info about if it'll be supported and in what version Jan 20 14:51:11 which device are you expecting it to work on Jan 20 14:51:14 uxman: OTG's up to hardware adaptation to handle, ie, switch between gadget/otg Jan 20 14:51:17 but N8 has otg support Jan 20 14:51:28 and it would be quite weird if meego netbook doesn't have Jan 20 14:51:31 N8 is not a netbook though Jan 20 14:51:44 uxman: netbooks are usually notebooks and have real USB ports :) Jan 20 14:51:44 netbook == mini laptop yes? Jan 20 14:52:30 ah, sorry Jan 20 14:52:35 I actually mean tablet :) Jan 20 14:53:02 same - it's up to hardware adaptation to handle it :) rest of system will just see it as connected USB devices :) Jan 20 14:53:05 uxman, well specifically which *device* are you talking about needing usb otg? Jan 20 14:54:18 lcuk: well, I'm just thinking about it because we're planning to write a software for meego using on a tablet device. Our software need to communicate with usb device Jan 20 14:54:25 where the table acts as usb host Jan 20 14:54:55 uxman: should work fine, really - use standard linux interfaces for it Jan 20 14:55:46 thanks Stskeeps, good to know it should work Jan 20 14:56:02 uxman: out of curiousity, ARM or atom target? Jan 20 14:56:19 it'll be ARM Jan 20 14:56:22 ok Jan 20 14:56:38 remember to get ARMv7, otherwise meego won't run on it Jan 20 14:56:52 yep Jan 20 14:56:57 ie, cortex-a8, tegra2, marvell Jan 20 14:57:04 bbl Jan 20 14:59:07 ok, thanks you guys Jan 20 15:00:44 hi everyone... Jan 20 15:01:10 I am trying to restore extlinux on my netbook.. but I can't find the mbr.bin file in the extlinux directory.. Jan 20 15:01:21 I only see mbr.bak weird Jan 20 15:05:31 i just flashed the latest 1.1.80 on n900 Jan 20 15:05:58 the question is: how to get started developing for it... especially against qtm 1.1 Jan 20 15:06:39 ah stupid me.. that's in /usr/share/syslinux Jan 20 15:07:48 Go to www.meego.com into the Developers section and download and install the SDK first.. Jan 20 15:08:03 In that section you will find everything you need Jan 20 15:08:15 and i can compile for qtm 1.1? Jan 20 15:08:40 ok, i'll try... Jan 20 15:08:51 I know 1.2 is targeted for MeeGo 1.2... not sure about 1.1 Jan 20 15:09:27 I think it *could* work... but you gotta give it a try.. btw MeeGo 1.2 is not that far away anyway Jan 20 15:09:30 but sdk is old, isn't it, meego 1.1 came with mobility 1.0.2 Jan 20 15:09:57 not far away = nice to hear Jan 20 15:10:11 SDK is for 1.1 Jan 20 15:10:38 hey guys, mobility trunk have sensors working with meemo n900? Jan 20 15:10:47 *meego Jan 20 15:10:49 why is that old? 1.2 is not there yet, may be you can find some pre-release developers-only image of 1.2 ... Jan 20 15:11:20 anidel, http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/12/24/qt-mobility-1-2-technology-preview/ Jan 20 15:11:23 anidel: i'm trying to write some training slides for qtm 1.1 Jan 20 15:11:32 and looking for a demo system Jan 20 15:11:44 rbelem: thanks, pointer is mostly useful to unclewerner Jan 20 15:12:17 anidel, i used that repos to install mobility 1.2 Jan 20 15:12:39 cool Jan 20 15:12:46 but i did not manage to get sensors working :-( Jan 20 15:13:43 i'm building sersorsfw trunk now to see if it works Jan 20 15:14:28 there is no zypper on n900, isn't it? Jan 20 15:15:16 unclewerner, it has zypper Jan 20 15:15:52 ah,, slowly i'm getting it Jan 20 15:16:04 unclewerner, i'm using images from here http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/ Jan 20 15:16:04 no rush Jan 20 15:16:06 :) Jan 20 15:17:13 rbelem: and the latest images work with the sdk? Jan 20 15:17:20 unclewerner, yup Jan 20 15:20:48 nice, i give it another try Jan 20 15:26:58 could anyone check for me: rpm -qf /usr/include/GL/glx.h ? Jan 20 15:31:28 smoku: i don't have that file Jan 20 15:32:56 anidel, i found it, but thanks for interest :) Jan 20 15:35:09 no problem Jan 20 16:02:18 i installed meego-sdk-armv7l under ubuntu 10.04, but the package is empty Jan 20 16:02:30 just a copyright and a changelog Jan 20 16:10:57 Hi Jan 20 16:11:07 I am new to meego Jan 20 16:11:41 hi. Jan 20 16:11:54 and I want to create a meego build infrastructure Jan 20 16:13:59 sanjay6976: who for... and what scale? Jan 20 16:15:06 Ildt: want to build meego source code and make few changes in the ui framework Jan 20 16:15:25 ldt: want to build meego source code and make few changes in the ui framework Jan 20 16:17:16 damn this was a meta package... Jan 20 16:17:39 ldt:this is to know meego operating system and contribute to meego in multimedia and ui framework Jan 20 16:18:10 ldt:can i get the access to meego OBS Jan 20 16:18:40 lbt:want to build meego source code and make few changes in the ui framework Jan 20 16:18:43 sanjay6976: so... you don't need to setup an obs unless you want to Jan 20 16:19:14 you can use the community OBS as a normal dev user Jan 20 16:19:54 lbt: can i download the git code and directly build it?? Jan 20 16:20:40 lbt:as i saw it requires OBS for setting up build infrastructure Jan 20 16:21:28 sanjay6976: yes. you can build locally using 'osc' Jan 20 16:21:51 you can also submit to the build service to get it built there Jan 20 16:23:52 lbt:thanks I will try using OSC Jan 20 16:25:41 hm Jan 20 16:25:42 PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND Jan 20 16:25:43 505 lcuk 20 0 4268 1684 724 R 99.6 0.2 2:12.77 dbus-daemon Jan 20 16:25:43 522 lcuk 25 5 184m 35m 22m S 1.3 3.5 0:37.21 duihome Jan 20 16:25:50 crap Jan 20 16:31:06 if MeeGo's rpm can support DeltaRPMs, then I now understand why you guys chose RPM over .deb Jan 20 16:31:52 Venemo: For my point of view, MeeGo started from Moblin which had many things from Fedora. Jan 20 16:32:55 barroca: yes, however with the support for delta rpms, I think it is superior. Jan 20 16:32:56 Venemo: But, today, with smart zypper yum, doesn't make any difference from deb or rpm... Jan 20 16:33:26 one thing apt still has is speed, damn zypper on the console is slow Jan 20 16:34:06 lcuk: I dunno if apt has anything like the delta rpm feature Jan 20 16:35:09 lcuk: if not, then downloading the deltas (especially on slow connections) will take considerably less time than the full packages, thus outweighing apt's perf gains Jan 20 16:35:56 Venemo, I mean the startup time, once running its sweet Jan 20 16:36:02 Venemo: but there was many many debates on this on the list. But there might be a reason related to commercial distros vs non-commercial ones. Jan 20 16:36:14 but every invocation of "zypper se [something]" takes its time Jan 20 16:36:26 I haven't tried zypper yet Jan 20 16:36:36 yum is okay on my Fedora though Jan 20 16:48:40 Venemo: there is debdelta but honestly, deltarpms do their jobs Jan 20 16:48:54 erstazi: ok :) Jan 20 16:50:39 Hi lbt, Jan 20 16:50:47 I need one help Jan 20 16:51:08 I am trying create one local build setup Jan 20 16:52:21 I have install build tool chain from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/tools/repos/ubuntu/10.04/ Jan 20 16:53:11 mkaran: are you trying to build apps locally? or are you setting up an OBS for your company Jan 20 16:54:12 then I have download the gstreamer code from git repository Jan 20 16:54:23 locally Jan 20 16:56:58 I want to port webm support into gstreamer, that's why I trying to build gstreamer Jan 20 16:57:18 I have taken code from git://gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/gstreamer.git Jan 20 16:57:19 OK - so you don't need any OBS stuff locally Jan 20 16:57:25 just use 'osc' Jan 20 16:57:53 I have install all tool chain from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/tools/repos/ubuntu/10.04/ Jan 20 16:57:54 the first step is to get an account on the community OBS and then build the package there Jan 20 16:58:30 so I have seen osc is install Jan 20 16:58:41 I thought gstreamer already had webm support? Jan 20 16:59:03 I have seen vorbis support is there Jan 20 16:59:14 I mean audio support is there Jan 20 16:59:27 video support is not there Jan 20 16:59:47 GStreamer Plug-ins Jan 20 16:59:47 GStreamer support for WebM is expanding rapidly. Note the following plug-in packages and minimum versions: Jan 20 16:59:47 Package Version Provides Jan 20 16:59:47 gst-plugins-good 0.10.23 WebM container Jan 20 16:59:47 gst-plugins-bad 0.10.19 VP8 video Jan 20 16:59:47 gst-plugins-base Any current Vorbis audio Jan 20 16:59:57 pastebin .... Jan 20 17:00:11 yeah, yeah, sorry Jan 20 17:00:15 :P Jan 20 17:00:20 So how can I get the OBS account Jan 20 17:00:32 now, that I can do... Jan 20 17:00:43 what's your meego account name? Jan 20 17:00:49 can u please give one account for me Jan 20 17:00:54 mkaran Jan 20 17:01:04 done Jan 20 17:01:22 no closed source and no trying to rebuild all of meego :) Jan 20 17:02:12 can u please send build guide bcoz I will do first time Jan 20 17:02:32 Also please tell me what is the password for OBS Jan 20 17:03:01 Also pls tell me I have OSc setup Jan 20 17:03:03 mkaran: there's build info on the wiki - a tutorial too Jan 20 17:03:13 I can build on that setup Jan 20 17:03:14 the passwd is the meego.com passwd Jan 20 17:03:25 ok Jan 20 17:03:45 Thanks Jan 20 17:04:13 can u pls tell me I can use OSC Jan 20 17:05:11 I can't tell you how - but there is a tutorial Jan 20 17:05:21 ok Jan 20 17:05:25 ok ... work .... bbiab Jan 20 17:05:57 Can u pls tell me, webm support is there,, Jan 20 17:06:11 but I have seen oggdmux is there Jan 20 17:06:34 that's mean it will give ogg/vorbis support Jan 20 17:06:53 video support, I have not seen Jan 20 17:26:31 bbl - pm/highlight if you need me Jan 20 17:32:43 I installed xfce4 and now when I run mutter it looks all different :( Jan 20 18:05:45 hi all Jan 20 18:06:51 where is the page at the wiki with the repositories instructions for upgrading to 1.2 on the netbook? Jan 20 18:07:12 I want to upgrade there to fix the right click (e.g. new kernel) and the earphones sound issue. Jan 20 18:07:16 mgedmin, ping, irc search broken for meego but appears to work for other channels. Jan 20 18:07:25 * mgedmin looks Jan 20 18:07:45 Also, if someone can help me restore the touch behavior as now everything is with a mouse cursor and works through the mouse, I'd appreciate it. Jan 20 18:07:57 (I have disabled it after having issues with the VKG) Jan 20 18:08:03 (*VKB) Jan 20 18:08:11 lcuk, what about now? Jan 20 18:09:13 mgedmin, :D fastest bug fix in the whole world. grats dude \o Jan 20 18:10:02 yeah, three-character fix in apache config Jan 20 18:10:49 jeremiah: ping Jan 20 18:14:10 hey CosmoHill Jan 20 18:14:23 hello Jan 20 18:14:53 I've been out for about 2 hours taking pictures around the countrysid Jan 20 18:15:25 CosmoHill: ah, that's nice. Do you have the link to meego repo list handy by any chance? Jan 20 18:15:43 repo Jan 20 18:15:48 damn enter key Jan 20 18:15:51 repo.meego.com Jan 20 18:15:59 there isn't a list, you just look through the directories Jan 20 18:16:44 CosmoHill: I want to upgrade to 1.2 to get all the latest fixes Jan 20 18:16:53 CosmoHill: re: right click and headphones audio Jan 20 18:17:12 CosmoHill: this is why I want to upgrade, also, do you know of good mirrors? the default ones are dead slow for me. Jan 20 18:17:24 nope sorry Jan 20 18:17:40 I don't know if you can upgrade from 1.1 to 1.2 Jan 20 18:17:50 ah :/ Jan 20 18:17:55 if you'd like I can get the latest 1.2 snapshot image for you and mirror it Jan 20 18:18:35 CosmoHill: I was sure I can just set the conf to point to the latest release repo and upgrade to it Jan 20 18:18:42 CosmoHill: like with debian based systems. :/ Jan 20 18:18:48 I think dneary asked the same question on the mailing list and didn't get an answer either... Jan 20 18:18:59 * andre__ is also interested in the answer Jan 20 18:19:01 andre__: uh-ha Jan 20 18:19:06 Debian is much more established Jan 20 18:19:27 andre__: I guess I will need to rebuild the kernel myself Jan 20 18:19:42 andre__: for the right click, and well, to patch the config file for alsa myself for the headphones audio Jan 20 18:19:45 so do you want me to mirror the latest 1.2 snapshot? Jan 20 18:19:50 cos 1.2 hasn't been released yet Jan 20 18:20:10 CosmoHill: so, I will have to reinstall with 1.2 and then I could set up to follow trunk? as if I was on debian sid? Jan 20 18:20:39 it might follow the trunk by default Jan 20 18:21:09 CosmoHill: okay, so please do, I'd appreciate it greatly. Where can you put it geographically? Jan 20 18:21:17 US Jan 20 18:21:38 some people just fine my mirror faster even tho it's the same country Jan 20 18:21:45 CosmoHill: do you have an idea where do the default mirros point at? (/me is coming from Debian so stuff are not easy for me to discover) Jan 20 18:21:50 CosmoHill: ok, cool then Jan 20 18:21:53 CosmoHill: thank you Jan 20 18:22:07 * sivang2 goes to preapre a usb stick Jan 20 18:22:19 * CosmoHill downloads at 8MB/s Jan 20 18:22:45 9.41MB/s average Jan 20 18:23:23 andre__: you have any idea what needs to be done to restore touch behavior in 1.1? Jan 20 18:23:26 CosmoHill: nice Jan 20 18:23:29 sivang2 et andre__: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/1.2/ Jan 20 18:23:57 I really should get off the floor Jan 20 18:24:33 CosmoHill: you need to prepare for the course next week? Jan 20 18:24:59 not really Jan 20 18:25:13 I actually have a server with Windows Server 2008 and MySQL 2008 on it :) Jan 20 18:25:15 *MSSQL Jan 20 18:25:20 ah Jan 20 18:25:23 right you said something about it Jan 20 18:25:33 I think remote desktop might still be set up on it Jan 20 18:25:34 when we talked about the mysql froidian slip Jan 20 18:26:05 my problem is that I don't get access to the course stuff until it starts Jan 20 18:26:12 so I don't know what to do or prepare for Jan 20 18:26:22 CosmoHill: what is it about? RDBMS theory or else ? Jan 20 18:26:33 it was funny talking to the lecturer cos he was looking for my grade and I was like "but you don't teach me until next week" Jan 20 18:26:42 heh Jan 20 18:26:57 bit of theory and pratical, normally 1 hour lecture and 2 hour tutorial Jan 20 18:27:08 plus I think 5 hours a week private study per subject Jan 20 18:27:52 okay, so fromr what I recall make yourself acqueinted with relaional algebra Jan 20 18:28:18 I did pretty well with normilisation last year Jan 20 18:28:21 the lectures like to try and show the subject as complicated as they like to present theorms and basic sql operations first in relational algebra Jan 20 18:28:29 and then ask you to implement it in sql Jan 20 18:28:31 from my experience Jan 20 18:28:40 also, to know how to design a table set Jan 20 18:28:51 I think I did my MSSQL year 1 assignment in 36 hours and a red bull Jan 20 18:29:01 e.g. what should be a one to one, one to many or many or many to many relations Jan 20 18:29:23 and know when a forigen key is wrong, e.g. there are questions like "this ERD is wrong, can you fix it?" Jan 20 18:29:26 etc.. Jan 20 18:29:59 crap, ERD is somewhere in my head but it's currently not within reach Jan 20 18:30:08 CosmoHill: it is dead easy Jan 20 18:30:16 CosmoHill: read up in mit's ecourses or so Jan 20 18:30:18 I just look at my preivous assignments Jan 20 18:30:26 CosmoHill: they have a very good piece about it there. Jan 20 18:30:43 I think at one point I was insulting people in SQL format Jan 20 18:30:48 hehe Jan 20 18:30:51 makes sense :) Jan 20 18:30:57 CosmoHill: your mirror is AMAZING Jan 20 18:31:04 CosmoHill: 300kb/s Jan 20 18:31:07 I'll tell the owner that Jan 20 18:31:16 ah, sounds like your download is being capped like mine Jan 20 18:31:22 CosmoHill: I want a vds there , how much does it cost? Jan 20 18:31:31 I can download form one server at 300kb/s tops Jan 20 18:31:41 CosmoHill: from where I am , 300kb/s is something only to get in workplaces Jan 20 18:31:54 no idea, this host belongs to an employee at the data centre so he get's it for free - cost of server Jan 20 18:32:11 CosmoHill: if you can get me the details, I will switch over from my current VDS Jan 20 18:32:13 I get 1.2Mb/s on my phone :) Jan 20 18:32:19 oh nice Jan 20 18:32:23 it's actually a decicated server Jan 20 18:32:31 786kb/s or so the highest here Jan 20 18:32:40 CosmoHill: well, I don't mnind the server, just the throughput of network Jan 20 18:32:51 if you look around in my directory you should see "phpsysinfo", that will give you specs Jan 20 18:32:53 CosmoHill: I have a vds in UK, but I can't reach it well with my current provider Jan 20 18:32:58 CosmoHill: with orange it was quite good Jan 20 18:33:08 you're in the UK? Jan 20 18:33:19 CosmoHill: no, in Israel Jan 20 18:33:33 CosmoHill: but the UK server works well for plain web, badly for ssh access and longer downloads Jan 20 18:33:33 I think I remember you saying that actually Jan 20 18:33:46