**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 25 02:59:57 2011 Jan 25 05:35:33 how do i install the meego sdk... on meego... using the package management system? Jan 25 05:36:51 i installed qt-creator... that package lacks dependencies on gcc, make, qmake, dev libs... as a result it is completely none-functional after install Jan 25 05:41:16 zypper install pattern:development-tools Jan 25 05:41:22 ali1234: I think there are package groups that you can use Jan 25 05:42:13 "no provider of 'pattern:development-tools' found - Nothing to do." Jan 25 05:42:13 and when using 1.2 I think it's meego-development-tools Jan 25 05:42:19 hmmh Jan 25 05:42:34 * dm8tbr ran into this before :) Jan 25 05:42:42 :) Jan 25 05:42:57 "Problem: nothing provides perf needed by pattern:meego-development-tools-.noarch" Jan 25 05:43:06 :/ Jan 25 05:44:19 i'm about ready to give up Jan 25 05:44:28 does anyone know how to increase qt emulator space size? Jan 25 05:44:41 2 days to write a qt app, 2 months trying to package it :/ Jan 25 05:44:41 it currently has 3G, but its not enough for me Jan 25 05:45:33 ali1234: did you try on 1.1? Jan 25 05:45:33 nokia qt sdk packages the thing automagically for maemo Jan 25 05:45:46 i don't want to package it for maemo Jan 25 05:46:24 1.2 seems to go through a lot of changes recently and stuff breaks along the way Jan 25 05:46:46 i didn't try 1.1 Jan 25 05:46:55 i guess i can roll back Jan 25 05:47:01 and then fix the bootloader again Jan 25 05:47:34 the other option would be to get an build environment from OBS tailored to your package for local build Jan 25 05:47:42 was it 'osc build'? Jan 25 05:47:50 i don't even understand what that means Jan 25 05:48:18 i don't even have a package yet because autospectacle does not work unless you already have all the sdk installed Jan 25 05:48:36 hm ic Jan 25 05:48:53 i have a qmake project and source code Jan 25 05:49:00 it has no dependencies outside qt core Jan 25 05:49:09 as a result it can be trivially compiled for any system Jan 25 05:49:23 I'm not the best person to discuss this with :) Jan 25 05:49:28 but packaging it is just another matter entirely Jan 25 05:50:16 but you should get yourself an community obs account for when you have things aligned more. it helps a lot. Jan 25 05:50:20 i have one Jan 25 05:50:32 i'm trying to figure out how to put my source into it Jan 25 05:50:40 i can't do that without writing a spec file Jan 25 05:50:44 i have no idea how to do that Jan 25 05:51:00 and i don't particularly want to Jan 25 05:51:13 mhyeah, if you don't have many dependencies you could just steal some example? Jan 25 05:51:28 i could do if i knew where to find one Jan 25 05:51:29 and then use the local build option to figure out what breaks Jan 25 05:52:01 hum, let's see if there's a simple one to start off with Jan 25 05:52:11 can osc create a sdk chroot without feeding it a specific package to compile? Jan 25 05:52:30 I remember it took me a day or two to get .specs written but I had to start from scratch with zero knowledge Jan 25 06:00:05 wow, autospectacle works even less on meego than it does on ubuntu, it feeds invalid options to tar! Jan 25 06:06:53 what is the sync solution in the meego? Jan 25 06:07:32 argh.. can't find any simple example for .spec that uses qmake Jan 25 06:07:57 i can't get osc to work with the public OBS Jan 25 06:08:06 it just says "401: unauthorized" Jan 25 06:08:13 i fixed .oscrc with the correct urls Jan 25 06:08:19 and i can log in using a browser Jan 25 06:09:28 where is the keyring editor? Jan 25 06:13:34 hi there Jan 25 06:20:04 hi Jan 25 06:20:43 morning Jan 25 07:54:46 Hello, I ran a search on the forums, but didn't find an anwer. I'm sure someone has asked before, I'm just not using the right search terms. Can someone tell me how to mount a partition on an internal drive. I am running Meego off of a 30GB partition, but all of my data is on a 350GB partition shared with ubuntu (formatted to ext3 not ext4 because I heard Meego doesn't like that). Jan 25 08:13:10 X-Fade, bergie: had a look at http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7072 recently? :) Jan 25 08:31:55 thp: sure... there should be more updates next week Jan 25 08:34:27 bergie: thanks :) looking forward to it Jan 25 08:36:07 Is there a good guide available somewhere how to set up Internet connection from Windows host to Meego runtime on Qemu Jan 25 09:07:22 hello Jan 25 09:07:58 I'm interested in trying meego on my n900. which guide should I use? Jan 25 09:08:41 meego.com one Jan 25 09:08:55 there's http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC , http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 and http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/U-Boot_from_scratch Jan 25 09:09:01 middle one is good Jan 25 09:09:19 I definitely need to be able to keep using it as a phone Jan 25 09:09:53 so do I need the u-boot to be able to go to meego/original software? Jan 25 09:10:27 er, maemo.. Jan 25 09:10:35 middle guide makes that too, just remember to use -l instead of -f in flasher command Jan 25 09:10:40 as the guide tells you Jan 25 09:10:54 ah okay, sounds good Jan 25 09:11:23 and what should I prepare in case the install turns sour? Jan 25 09:11:47 charge your battery and have a wall charger Jan 25 09:11:56 check and check Jan 25 09:12:09 and use -l, -not -f, :P Jan 25 09:12:13 that loads the kernel one-time Jan 25 09:12:21 um, one of those guides mentioned that only usb charging is supported... should I be concerned? Jan 25 09:12:32 I usually use the wall charger Jan 25 09:13:01 well, usb charging is good to have too :P Jan 25 09:13:48 heh, thanks for encouragement :P Jan 25 09:14:07 Fry-kun: basically if you don't flash the kernel permanently, you can always get back to maemo with wall charger Jan 25 09:16:06 hm, so -l mode doesn't actually _flash_ but just loads it into ram? Jan 25 09:16:15 yes Jan 25 09:16:19 gotcha Jan 25 09:58:06 the meego servers are in great need for some mirrors :X Jan 25 09:59:55 eurisko: We're working on that. Kernel mirrors don't seem to be so fast. Jan 25 10:50:58 for meego sdk what does it means being a supported OS ? Jan 25 10:51:55 i mean, the sdk might work on others but still no one reported back? Jan 25 10:52:05 'qa'ed on' Jan 25 10:52:57 ? Jan 25 10:53:08 means it was actually tested to work on there :) Jan 25 10:56:09 Is it possible to mount ext3 hard drive partitions using the GUI in Meego netbook? I know I can't do ext4 Jan 25 10:56:55 it's that i have it working on 64 bit OS Jan 25 11:55:06 what is the diference between meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime and meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.2-runtime ? Jan 25 12:18:49 salut lcuk Jan 25 12:52:10 ahh thos eqt examples that show on the qemu handset with a nice interface Jan 25 12:52:22 isn't other way to check them? Jan 25 12:52:30 Heya all Jan 25 12:52:36 hi Jan 25 12:52:58 hi wazd Jan 25 12:54:32 lo wazd, how's stuff? Jan 25 12:55:24 heya wazd Jan 25 12:55:46 Pretty much awesome, without mentioning those terrible events here Jan 25 12:56:45 wazd: i did ponder if you were okay, then rst38h Jan 25 12:56:45 :P Jan 25 12:58:28 wb Jan 25 13:07:02 Stskeeps: whatsup with meego themming btw? :) Jan 25 13:07:52 wazd1: don't know, actually - same as usual, but with the qml switchover strategy, who knows anymore Jan 25 13:08:55 Stskeeps: eheh :) Jan 25 13:09:19 Stskeeps: anyway, if you need any help with it - just ask :) Jan 25 13:09:32 wazd1, theming. had quite an indepth chat with sabotage a week or so ago where he was explaining a bit about theming Jan 25 13:10:14 wazd1, http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2011-01-18.log.html#t2011-01-18T19:28:15 Jan 25 13:11:01 infact he mentioned that a maintainer to keep ontop of the themes would be a good thing :) Jan 25 13:11:30 Hi. All I want to know is 1) Has there ever been any decissions/discussions whatever Nokia will try to lock down the OS in any way of their phones (require jailbreak/rooting, signed firmwares, not have all the source code available for the phone / be able to build a new release (eventually with hacks and patches) and somehow join it with proprietary stuff into an OS image for the device. Jan 25 13:11:49 (whatever that's an acceptable question in here I don't know :)) Jan 25 13:11:52 aliquis: that's a lot of questions in one Jan 25 13:12:17 aliquis: maemo 5 was 43% open source, rest is differentiation, so i don't expect that to change. vendors differentiate on top of meego.com platform. Jan 25 13:12:52 aliquis: however, enabling some degree of freedom with ease seems to be in maemo5/n900 at least Jan 25 13:13:11 ie, no signed kernel, etc - and in future ones DRM-less modes is possible Jan 25 13:13:48 Meego /= Nokia's OS Jan 25 13:13:53 aliquis: i wouldn't expect a 100% open source telephone from nokia :) Jan 25 13:13:55 Just in case Jan 25 13:13:56 and what wazd sai Jan 25 13:13:56 d Jan 25 13:15:11 Stskeeps: Yeah, rather sceptical about Q4 and Q1 and only wanted to get Nokia stocks in a time when things looked the darkest and I thought there would come some light in the shape of MeeGo. But I doubt MeeGo final and phones before summer so I'm very sceptical as far as market share and any devices to improve things goes for a short amount of time. As an old "nerd" personally I would obviously had prefered a device which Jan 25 13:15:11 was mine and which others could improve upon and such. But all companies seem to be against that. But I mean, if Nokia let it be completely open even if they screwed up things and released something not finish people would had improved upon it and fixed it. If it's closed and a complete mess because they are too afraid of the open-source monster and people deciding on what they should do with their own products just as App Jan 25 13:15:12 le and others then I think they will lose out even more. Something very open would give more nerds and nerdy developers and more tweaks and applications and in the end be beneficial to all users and hence Nokia ;D. But I may be wrong?! ;D Jan 25 13:15:33 aliquis: yeah, you need to work on shorter sentences Jan 25 13:15:39 Stskeeps: ok, thanks :) Jan 25 13:16:18 aliquis: if you want something fairly open, but not end-user, meego on n900 is quite open, we have very few redistributable blobs Jan 25 13:16:25 but then again, no fancy stuff :) Jan 25 13:16:37 so depends on if you want to make stuff yourself, or not Jan 25 13:16:48 Stskeeps: I would had been ok with 100% open-source stock code tree to patch againts and then some image building toolkit to throw in the propreitary stiff within an installable OS image. But I guess that's to wish for too much as well :) Jan 25 13:17:18 aliquis: i would be happy if it's possible to get a kickstart file for whatever nokia ships that's meego based eventually, but that might be too much to dream for Jan 25 13:19:28 I just feel the timing for Nokia stocks is pretty shitty still since there is more to be lost :D, and yeah, I don't own a Nokia phone or an Android phone but I would only buy either if there where open enough for the end-user, which in Android camp only Nexus One and Nexus S is. As a Swede I see Sony-Ericssons early Android phones as complete failures with freaking Android 1.6 but when released and with no upgrades for lon Jan 25 13:19:28 g just because they want to tweak it. I'd rather have stock and the freshest there is with all new features even if it look like crap =P Jan 25 13:20:17 aliquis: go see videos of meego, and see what is actually open source :P Jan 25 13:20:28 Aliquis, so, you're using openmoko right now? Jan 25 13:21:48 Jaffa, Ping? Jan 25 13:22:03 too much work, and I've seen some videos :). wazdl: My latest phones are the Sony-Ericsson z300i and Motorola W220, go figure ;D. I don't want to buy an expensive smartphone just to have to buy a new one every once in a while because the manufacturer suck. As long as the hardware is capable I want to be able to update the software and replace it once it lacks functionallity, speed, batterylife or get broken =P Jan 25 13:22:17 Jaffa, I was thinking if you wanted to do a MeeGo weekly news, you could call it the "We go meekly" :) Jan 25 13:22:30 Aliquis, man, give it up :D Jan 25 13:22:52 aliquis: perfect phones doesn't exist, only those you have to make significant effort on yourselves over time :) Jan 25 13:24:27 wazdl: It's not like I "need" a smartphone anyway. If they want to sell one to me it's better be something I want to own =P. But I guess the Apple zombies are way to tempting. Jan 25 13:25:17 Stskeeps, What do you think of "we go meekly"? I think it's cute :) Jan 25 13:25:36 dm8tbr: sounds funny ;) Jan 25 13:30:05 Stskeeps: Is N900 open enough with Maemo5/MeeGo for you to change some things in the OS and then use it on the phone or are you fucked then? Like for instance even if it's 50+% closed does that mean you can't change shit in the "firmware" (rather OS installation) and you can only get some source code which you'll never be able to compile and run on the phone to look at some things or make your own product. Or can you for i Jan 25 13:30:05 ntancce change something in I-don't-know, say the menusystem code, build it and replace the menu-system files in the OS insatallation you already have, reboot the phone and voila? Jan 25 13:34:53 aliquis: by looking at what is being done I'd say open enough Jan 25 13:35:47 Happy Australia Day to any fellow Australians! Jan 25 13:36:07 k Jan 25 13:45:26 dneary: Pong. Heh :-) Jan 25 13:45:56 dneary: I'm thinking of renaming "Maemo Weekly News" (to what I don't know). However, I love the idea of "We go meekly" as a tagline :-) Jan 25 13:46:32 Slightly derogetary, but also self-effacing in a way I like. Jan 25 13:46:43 derogetory Jan 25 13:46:47 Whatever Jan 25 13:48:40 Jaffa: I would make it "we won't go meegly" Jan 25 13:49:08 or maybe better "meekly" :) Jan 25 13:57:46 derogatory Jan 25 13:57:48 Better Jan 25 13:57:52 That was bugging me Jan 25 14:09:17 dneary: Name thoughts: mwkn.net and MWKN stay the usual forms. a) "Just" 'MWKN'; b) "MeeGo Weekly News"; c) "MaeGo Weekly News" [transitional]; d) "M* Weekly News"; e) ...? Jan 25 14:09:35 Jaffa, MeeGo Weekly News Jan 25 14:09:48 M* weekly news will bring the Windows crowd :P Jan 25 14:09:59 It's renaming to reflect reality anyway, rather than suggesting a radical new editorial direction. Jan 25 14:10:03 since they will be looking for Microsoft news Jan 25 14:10:45 M.\{3\}o Weekly News? maybe? Jan 25 14:10:58 Or M.e.o Weekly News? Jan 25 14:11:26 Or just "Meo Wekly News". Sponsored by cats Jan 25 14:11:27 MWKN Weekly News Jan 25 14:11:32 lcuk: Heh :-) Jan 25 14:48:56 Hi, where is the syslog placed in meego? Jan 25 14:50:08 makulkar, not /var/log/ ? Jan 25 14:51:32 andre__, couldn't find my apps qdebugs on console so some one suggested to look at "syslog". Can't find my logs though in /var/log/ Jan 25 15:08:43 makulkar: check /etc/syslog.conf to see where it would be saving stuff to Jan 25 15:09:44 thiago, there is no /etc/syslog.conf, i have only sysinfod.conf Jan 25 15:10:10 sounds like syslogd isn't installed Jan 25 15:29:59 om nom nom http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/01/25/nokia-phones-delicious/?sf1001626=1 Jan 25 15:31:14 Hey guys. How to tell Meego it is to use Firefox in the Internet Tab? It doesnt seem to care about standard browsers and having chromium uninstalled does nothing... Jan 25 15:36:02 lcuk: lol Jan 25 15:57:36 morn qgil Jan 25 15:57:46 hi there Stskeeps Jan 25 16:03:46 MeeGo vs Walter MeeGo was confusing geek music lovers already, and now I discover there is Chromeo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromeo Jan 25 16:04:33 hehe Jan 25 16:11:47 is there an eta on the meego garage? Jan 25 16:46:08 lcuk:there is a line in my insurance policy specifically stating that I cannot drive my car on the Nurburgring O.o Jan 25 16:46:43 CosmoHill, do they list other race courses, or are those fair game? :D Jan 25 16:47:14 no Jan 25 16:47:22 "used on the Nurburgring Nordschleife, or for racing, pace-making, competitions, rallies, track days, trials or speed tests either Jan 25 16:47:22 on a road, track, or at an off-road Jan 25 16:47:22 4x4 event" Jan 25 16:49:25 cool, so spending time in carparks playing gymkhana is in your future Jan 25 16:49:51 it's amazing what you can do with a bin lid and a tow rope Jan 25 16:57:49 Our first events IRC meeting is starting in about 5 minutes in meego-meeting: http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Meetings Jan 25 16:58:25 cool Jan 25 17:03:19 Hey. Ive now managed to get Firefox working well with the MeeGo internet tab by sym-linking chromium to it. Thats not elegant, but it works. The only problem I got now is ff being too polite, meaning asking for attention all the time instead of just popping up. This worked in old MeeGo, didnt it? Can someone point out how to get the desired behaviour? Jan 25 17:08:47 Hi Jan 25 17:09:01 MeeGo events IRC meeting has just started, if anyone here is interested in joining Jan 25 17:09:39 Specifically, we'll be talking about early organising for the MeeGo autumn conference in Europe, and the current state of the organisation for the Spring conference in San Francisco Jan 25 17:27:26 Jaffa: Yeah, meow news letter work, (MEego Operating-system Weekly). Meow Purtty - Meego Operating-system Weekly Professional Urget Text and Testing.. uhm.. Yoghurt. Meow tin can = MEego Operating-system Weekly Testing, insight, news, curiousity and naughtiness news letter? *goes back hiding in the corner* Jan 25 17:27:33 cosmo: What about trying to drive on water? Jan 25 17:29:47 I'm assuming you're not talking about puddles, cos you now, he's a nice dog Jan 25 17:30:58 Stskeeps, do you know where i find the latest rpm for sensorfw? Jan 25 17:31:11 repo.meego.com Jan 25 17:31:11 :P Jan 25 17:31:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GTVkjHS9Fk :) Jan 25 17:32:30 Stskeeps, the latest is 0.6.36 and there is only 0.6.32 in repo.meego.com :-( Jan 25 17:36:21 sivang: there might be legal reasons to not include town emblems in logos, at least as i recall it in .dk Jan 25 17:37:40 Stskeeps: yes, I Was giving an examples Jan 25 17:42:15 vgrade1 ping Jan 25 17:42:47 vgrade1: Ah, nvm :) Jan 25 17:48:28 alterego, http://lists.qt.nokia.com/pipermail/qt-components/2010-September/000060.html Jan 25 17:48:39 alterego, seems like with logs on meego this was the issue Jan 25 17:49:16 Yeah, I noticed the reply in here lastnight Jan 25 17:49:31 makulkar: so you got everything working alright then? Jan 25 17:50:02 alterego, im trying by installing my own handler now Jan 25 17:50:05 makulkar: You understand that what you're using is a little more meego than maemo at the moment ;) Jan 25 17:50:20 alterego, i do now :) Jan 25 17:50:39 At least from application level Jan 25 17:54:41 makulkar: if you have other questions about Qt and/or Qt Quick I'm usually around to help :) Jan 25 17:56:47 rpm? You've ditched deb? :/ Jan 25 17:57:52 aliquis: not really, rpm is from moblin Jan 25 17:58:12 aliquis: most packaging and build infrastructure is from that camp aswell. Jan 25 17:59:09 rpm is also part of the LSB, which meego is adhering too, IIRC Jan 25 17:59:24 all part of being part of the Linux Foundation Jan 25 17:59:24 lsb says rpm? Jan 25 17:59:28 awful :D Jan 25 17:59:50 .tar.gz sure, but .rpm? Jan 25 18:00:17 yay lets have another .dev vs .rpm debate :P Jan 25 18:00:25 everything should be 50000000 byte numbered rar archives ;/ Jan 25 18:00:52 will someone please keep up with the standards!? ;D Jan 25 18:00:53 I hate people who slip torrents up into .rar files, I mean wtf Jan 25 18:01:52 CosmoHill: Better be consequent and ignore any files coming from the scene then ;) Jan 25 18:02:12 doubt much legal content comes in the shape of 50 MB rars anyway ;D Jan 25 18:03:27 berndhs: everyone know pkgsrc is the only way to go ;/ Jan 25 18:03:54 ah no, compiling is for the weak Jan 25 18:04:07 hand assemble everything, the only way to go for serious people Jan 25 18:04:10 --funroll-loops website is offline :( Jan 25 18:04:41 must -O3 compile everything in Gentoo because it's like totally better that way, like 250% speed increase. Jan 25 18:05:22 CosmoHill: I just don't like it when people compress compressed media .. Jan 25 18:05:52 Is a couple of megs really worth rar archiving something? Jan 25 18:05:53 you mean transcoder is into a further compressed state Jan 25 18:06:01 ah that Jan 25 18:06:23 Like an .avi file or something Jan 25 18:06:31 alterego: you rar archive the files to be able to run a file integrity check of all the files and then just have to resend 50 MB if the transfer failed Jan 25 18:06:31 .avi.xz Jan 25 18:06:51 vs checking a file on hundres of megabytes of gigabytes and have to retransfer all Jan 25 18:06:55 aliquis: oh, I guess that makes a little sense. Jan 25 18:07:16 also eventually they race the files in parts vs whole archive Jan 25 18:07:22 so when you race a new release you just compete with 50 MB Jan 25 18:07:30 so if someone else comes first it gets cancelled and you go on Jan 25 18:07:40 instead of maybe having sent 600 MB and then someone else finish first Jan 25 18:07:45 550 MB wasted Jan 25 18:08:23 or rather, 550 MB more wasted Jan 25 18:08:35 bbl Jan 25 18:09:20 why are we talking about using a proprietary format? Jan 25 18:09:53 (and rar simply because it's the standard and I guess people may want to store labels, nfo and such in the archives anyway so not just one file in either case. Guess you could rar with no compression if it's media.) Jan 25 18:10:02 could someone with a Meego system up and running tell me which package /sbin/init comes from please? Jan 25 18:10:03 mwichmann: it was just bullshit, sorry Jan 25 18:10:16 ok Jan 25 18:15:03 lardman: sysvinit Jan 25 18:15:20 thanks auke Jan 25 18:15:20 lardman: why are you asking? Jan 25 18:15:44 I want to find the source, so I can see if there's something that init needs that is preventing my switch_root on the Galaxy Tab Jan 25 18:16:46 why do you need to switch_root? Jan 25 18:16:58 the Tab boots from an initramfs Jan 25 18:17:08 I've not got round to replacing the bootloader yet Jan 25 18:17:22 that will be some more work Jan 25 18:17:58 sivang: about developer.meego.com process any feedback is welcome at http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6340 (reading the wiki proposal first would be nice, though) ;) Jan 25 18:20:26 dudes Jan 25 18:20:35 texratty Jan 25 18:20:49 Mr Texrat? Jan 25 18:21:45 auke: cool, I've extracted the source, time to do some poking around Jan 25 18:22:14 no need for Texrat, Lardman, just call me Mister :P Jan 25 18:22:30 You can call me Doctor ;) Jan 25 18:22:36 hey Stskeeps Jan 25 18:22:38 lol lardman Jan 25 18:22:47 damn... one-upped... Jan 25 18:23:12 or lardman, that works too :) Jan 25 18:51:42 alterego, got everything workning with logs! thanks a lot for ur help! :) Jan 25 18:51:53 makulkar: no problem, any time. Jan 25 18:51:53 Texrat: so how's life? Jan 25 18:51:56 Happy hacking ^.^ Jan 25 18:52:28 Stskeeps, life will be great if I get the job I'm hoping for :D Jan 25 18:52:35 expecting a call for interview... Jan 25 18:52:51 with Nokia Siemens Networks Jan 25 19:04:37 Good luck Texrat. We all know about your hard work for MeeGo. Jan 25 19:05:32 thanks Alison_Chaiken! I'll continue plugging for MeeGo Jan 25 19:05:47 workign on a whole series of marketing presentations Jan 25 19:06:22 is there any kallsysms for MeeGo? Jan 25 19:06:51 i'm debugging some problems with suspend/resume and i need a kernel debugger tool. Jan 25 19:07:12 Texrat, I was hacking on MeeGo a bit before I worked for Nokia, and I'm sure I will be afterward too . . . Jan 25 19:07:21 qgil: I felt unease commenting at the bug report itself before reading the wiki proposal, hence post to the ML :) Jan 25 19:07:45 Texrat: oh nice, in the states? Jan 25 19:09:18 sivang, as a matter of fact, the NSN office is right by where I last worked for nokia Jan 25 19:09:25 I can't relocate, sooo... Jan 25 19:09:48 anyway recruiter said the hiring manager is going over my application today Jan 25 19:11:41 Texrat: ah, nice Jan 25 19:11:50 I'm going crazy from anticipation...lol Jan 25 19:12:13 Texrat: not as crazy as the n9 rumouring people on tmo, hopefully Jan 25 19:12:21 lol Jan 25 19:12:29 i'm awaiting when they claim it comes with a time machine, lasers and a chocolate bar Jan 25 19:12:44 so much signal moved o MeeGo that maemo.org suffers much more noise Jan 25 19:12:50 mm Jan 25 19:15:44 * ShadowJK considers starting laser rumour Jan 25 19:17:17 laser rumor already started last year :P Jan 25 19:18:34 Texrat, btw how did it go with your usb port && nokia care survey thing? Jan 25 19:19:29 ShadowJK my report got sidetracked but I hope to finish it soon Jan 25 19:19:49 * lardman wishes Mister (Texrat) luck :) Jan 25 19:19:59 new reports flooded in just as I thought it ws winding down Jan 25 19:20:06 thanks lardman Jan 25 19:20:40 I didn't break usb port on my first, but either cellmo desoldered itself or the sim card holder did. Seen other people with same issue too on tmo :) Jan 25 19:22:08 sim and ram holders are flimsy Jan 25 19:23:03 On asking nokia support whether I could get an envelop or something since they closed repair places nearby me (now at 150km away), I got a 7 line reply which said "Yes". However, I still have no clue even about the shipping address :D Jan 25 19:23:38 ShadowJK: i guess they assume any legit finn would know the addy of nokia central repair? ;p Jan 25 19:24:32 so much text... Jan 25 19:24:37 Stskeeps, well yeah but atleast in the past they threw away or sent back stuff without action if you just sent it in yourself.. Jan 25 19:24:56 Or so the forums say Jan 25 19:25:37 * sivang hope the n9 would be announced in a meego conf or a dev related conf, rather than MWC, although MWC is probably the right place to do so. Jan 25 19:26:01 I thought the reply was so fantastic though, to be fair it accurately answered my question.. :P Jan 25 19:29:19 hi Jan 25 19:29:25 got some windows sdk questions. Jan 25 19:29:53 how to install qemu correctly in a normal user account without adminrights? Jan 25 19:33:27 sivang: who cares about announcing? just give us the device! :-) Jan 25 19:34:27 thiago_home: ? :) Jan 25 19:34:33 thiago_home: hehe, ah right! Jan 25 19:34:33 yes! Jan 25 19:34:58 thiago_home: and better be itin MWC, such that I can request it if I get selected for a second term for a Champion :) Jan 25 19:35:14 thiago_home: yeah, give me a couple and i'll promise to keep it quiet Jan 25 19:44:09 is amy online? Jan 25 19:44:33 possibly still in meeting room Jan 25 19:46:29 i wouldn't count on answers but yeah.. Jan 25 19:46:51 I see Amy sitting at her desk Jan 25 19:47:00 not sure if we're talking about the same Amy :) Jan 25 19:48:10 irc over nerf projectile. Jan 25 19:49:26 auke: the one who came to look for the happy campers on the unconf day :) Jan 25 19:55:13 lcuk = silly Jan 25 19:55:41 gotta go, later all Jan 25 19:55:46 cyas Texrat Jan 25 20:54:50 there's people in here!! Jan 25 20:55:04 usually are Jan 25 20:55:13 i donno why i'm surprised Jan 25 20:55:16 they turn into mosters when things aren't going well Jan 25 20:55:25 are there any meego devices yet? i'm compelled to skip maemo Jan 25 20:55:26 =( Jan 25 20:57:40 not yet Jan 25 20:57:47 oh Jan 25 20:57:48 * Mousey waits Jan 25 20:58:40 Mousey, how can you skip maemo, didn't you used to have an n810? Jan 25 20:59:05 yes! Jan 25 20:59:06 hola btw \o Jan 25 20:59:16 then they stopped making it =( Jan 25 20:59:19 hi lcuk Jan 25 20:59:30 and i LOST MINE at SEA Jan 25 20:59:32 i was poking around with mine a couple of weeks ago Jan 25 20:59:37 :O holy carp Jan 25 20:59:38 how Jan 25 20:59:46 eww, fish Jan 25 20:59:47 cruise ship hax0rs Jan 25 20:59:55 lcuk: I was poking around with the remaining parts of mine last friday Jan 25 21:00:13 Mousey, ? Nokia in a bottle? Jan 25 21:00:17 My N900 wouldn't charge so I used it to add a bit of charge to the battery Jan 25 21:00:24 lcuk: i wait by the sea in hopes, but no luck Jan 25 21:00:31 plus the n900 is a PHONE, and i didn't want a phone =( Jan 25 21:00:32 Hah Jan 25 21:00:48 I lke how that sentence started and ended with l c u & k Jan 25 21:01:07 lol Jan 25 21:01:24 Mousey, phones are good, you hear interesting people on them Jan 25 21:01:38 I just get texts asking were I am Jan 25 21:01:40 * lcuk spoke to a number of those today Jan 25 21:01:44 Or not so interesting, if you have mine :) Jan 25 21:01:58 CosmoHill, publish your location, save them the hassle of asking Jan 25 21:02:05 lcuk: yes, but i already have a phone! Jan 25 21:02:21 they'd just see a dot on a map wizzing towards them Jan 25 21:02:28 lcuk: are you working on anything nice for this years meego conf? :) Jan 25 21:02:34 Mousey, so did your n810 actually fall overboard? Jan 25 21:02:52 alterego, which conf? Jan 25 21:03:03 lcuk: yes, it was shameful, i cried Jan 25 21:03:09 Mousey, eep Jan 25 21:03:12 aww Jan 25 21:03:12 lcuk: any :) I missed the N900 push thing with you nice app Jan 25 21:03:31 i miss the 4 rows of keys =( Jan 25 21:03:35 i have barely touched any liqbase code now in a long time Jan 25 21:03:48 just tweaking and nibbling at it Jan 25 21:03:49 does minecraft run in maemo yet? Jan 25 21:03:50 :( Jan 25 21:03:55 is there a proper jvm? Jan 25 21:03:58 i haven't kept up =( Jan 25 21:04:03 alterego, I did recently run original liqbase on my ideapad Jan 25 21:04:17 cool Jan 25 21:04:28 aw! i miss liqbase! Jan 25 21:04:30 made me smile at all the bits I needed in the lib :) Jan 25 21:04:41 I played with qt components yesterday, very nice, though a bit slow and jerky Jan 25 21:04:58 on which device alterego ? Jan 25 21:05:08 N900 Maemo Jan 25 21:05:16 alterego: is that in any brepos or did you build it yourself ? Jan 25 21:05:37 berndhs: it's in the maemo-devel repo, no meego builds yet :( Jan 25 21:05:44 Hello, where do i get access to the latest MeeGo kernel git? Jan 25 21:05:51 ah that's why I haven't found it :) Jan 25 21:05:59 berndhs: I spent an hour trying to build it but it's a bit broken Jan 25 21:06:07 (for meego arm) Jan 25 21:06:21 barroca: there's none really :) take a upstream kernel Jan 25 21:06:30 i can build parts of it, but i'm always missing soem dependencies Jan 25 21:06:55 qgil: comment added. more long text :) Jan 25 21:07:00 alterego, qt is coming on leaps and bounds! Jan 25 21:07:16 lcuk: I know, I do love working on it. Jan 25 21:07:25 If only I could get a job doing it ;) Jan 25 21:07:28 now back to making QNAM a bit better :) Jan 25 21:07:53 Stskeeps: hum... i need to know if a patch have been applied: mac80211: fix use-after-free Jan 25 21:07:54 Jan 25 21:08:04 lcuk: You probably heard about what happened with Collabora? Jan 25 21:08:13 barroca: well, any specific hardware adaptation Jan 25 21:08:14 ? Jan 25 21:08:22 alterego, use the CBG meeting to help tune your interview/pitch technique Jan 25 21:08:29 Heh Jan 25 21:08:35 you never know when you might need to whip out your device and show people what you made it do Jan 25 21:08:58 "Hey look, I turned my N900 into a paper weight!" Jan 25 21:09:08 but it knows exactly where it is Jan 25 21:09:09 heh Jan 25 21:09:13 and which direction its pointing Jan 25 21:09:30 Stskeeps: suspending on my netbook raises a call trace that, for my investigations, is fixed by this patch Jan 25 21:09:31 Hah, only when it's moving Jan 25 21:09:43 lcuk: so you can use it to turn your paper map towards north ? Jan 25 21:09:47 barroca: ok, then look for kernel-adaptation-pinetrai Jan 25 21:09:48 l Jan 25 21:09:57 alterego, point being, make the most of meeting people in Cambridge in a couple of weeks Jan 25 21:10:10 barroca: and the src rpm of that Jan 25 21:13:44 stskeeps: thanks. Jan 25 21:19:05 lcuk: yeah Jan 25 21:20:55 * lbt is having an identity crisis Jan 25 21:21:10 should i stay or should i go.. Jan 25 21:21:11 :P Jan 25 21:22:40 yup Jan 25 21:23:50 lbt: ? Jan 25 21:25:12 nic switches Jan 25 21:26:46 lbt: How many network cards are you using? Jan 25 21:27:31 mmm overall ? Jan 25 21:27:56 No, that you are switching between Jan 25 21:28:05 * fiferboy can't do jokes on IRC Jan 25 21:29:00 * lbt groans Jan 25 21:29:03 loudly Jan 25 21:32:30 lbt - the #meego-bar is open Jan 25 22:10:34 who needs jvm after oracle buying sun Jan 25 22:11:00 .net became more reasonable in a second ;D Jan 25 23:20:15 http://wiki.debian.org/Sprints/2011/EmdebianSprint, anyone planning to attend? Jan 25 23:21:13 vgrade1, jeremiah is heavily into debian, not sure how close by he is Jan 25 23:21:45 oooh its another Cambridge event Jan 25 23:22:25 MeeGo is mentioned on the agenda and some access to arm people as well Jan 25 23:22:44 yes, its one hosted and sponsored by ARM Jan 25 23:22:48 do they have legs and stuff as well? Jan 25 23:22:56 or are they just arm people? Jan 25 23:23:26 pity they were not as forthcomming when I asked for a venue for the Cambridge meet Jan 25 23:23:52 well perhaps showing enough interest to form one in the community Jan 25 23:24:08 gives them incentive to also get off their ass ;) Jan 25 23:27:49 vgrade1, I also confirmed, the friend visiting London is not coming until a week after the CBG meet Jan 25 23:28:53 I thought you had a meeting in Cambridge that day? Jan 26 01:39:33 cyas Jan 26 01:39:42 im using opensuse 11.3 in vmware, and I installed the sdk and runtime but I can't poweron the runtime.. Jan 26 02:57:14 MeeGo-related interview about Qt/WebKit: http://fosdem.org/2011/interview/kenneth-rohde-christiansen **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 26 02:59:57 2011