**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 26 02:59:57 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 26 04:23:39 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 26 06:04:15 2011 Jan 26 06:21:11 Does anyone know how to get egl 2.0 on meego emulator? Jan 26 06:21:35 chris_: supposedly they're pushing a swrast based solution Jan 26 06:22:13 what do u mean by swrast based? Jan 26 06:22:45 as in software rendering, for the qemu stuff, just entered trunk:testing yesterday Jan 26 06:23:39 so what am I supposed to install to use EGL 2.0 functions? Jan 26 06:23:40 Stskeeps, do you know if input is fixed in latest image? Jan 26 06:23:43 hi btw :P Jan 26 06:24:52 chris_: well, i would wait a little bit for that - what version of sdk are you using? Jan 26 06:24:58 araujo: i just woke up ~10 minutes ago Jan 26 06:25:03 hehe Jan 26 06:25:06 1.1 Jan 26 06:25:18 * araujo just thought Stskeeps kept hacking even while sleeping Jan 26 06:25:30 chris_: ok, so, egl -might- work with your graphics driver but there's a possibility it doesn't Jan 26 06:26:08 could u tell me more specifically about that possiblity? Jan 26 06:26:44 chris_: so, basically, in 1.2 we switched qt to target egl/gles and it turns out many things dont work with that :) Jan 26 06:26:54 so working with egl/gles might need a real device for 1.1 development Jan 26 06:27:09 until 1.2 sdks start coming out Jan 26 06:27:19 hmm,, Jan 26 06:27:46 I keep getting this compile error Jan 26 06:27:59 what am I supposed to do if I wanna test this on ARM device? Jan 26 06:28:23 chris_: what compile error? Jan 26 06:28:29 I get lots of "not declared" messages Jan 26 06:28:43 I dont know which library I should include Jan 26 06:28:59 libEGL and libGLESv2 Jan 26 06:32:02 thanks Jan 26 06:32:17 I just installed those two packages in MADDE Jan 26 06:32:44 how do I use those two libs though? Jan 26 06:33:15 it doesnt seem like they are installed under QtOpenGL Jan 26 06:34:12 the ARM target has those, qtopengl is built towards egl/gles Jan 26 06:34:22 in 1.2, both x86 and ARM has egl/gles as default Jan 26 06:34:29 oh I see Jan 26 06:42:36 hey Jan 26 06:42:42 I have one last question Jan 26 06:42:54 I just run my app on real device Jan 26 06:43:08 but I got an error "DRI2: failed to authenticate" Jan 26 06:43:14 any idea on this msg? Jan 26 06:43:38 what target device? n900? Jan 26 06:43:55 no nexus one Jan 26 06:44:09 ah, that doesn't have EGL/GLES support :) Jan 26 06:44:23 the port for that one isn't that far Jan 26 06:44:38 the people porting it just enabled software rendering for the UI parts using qt Jan 26 06:44:51 is n900 the only one supporting EGL/GLES? Jan 26 06:45:10 and beagleboards - it depends on if you have a gles implementation from your hardware vendor Jan 26 06:45:59 which is a requirement for meego products Jan 26 09:22:34 raster, Hey there! Jan 26 09:31:51 dneary: oi :) Jan 26 09:33:01 How are things in Seoul? Jan 26 09:33:15 Or are you in Brisbane this week? Jan 26 09:34:10 oh no Jan 26 09:34:11 in seoul Jan 26 09:34:19 havent moved my bum anywhere Jan 26 09:34:25 still cold Jan 26 09:34:26 Not at LCA then? Jan 26 09:34:39 The sons loved the presents Jan 26 09:35:03 Thomas was surprisingly enthusiastic about the watch, and Sean still wears his Mickey Mouse gloves Jan 26 09:35:20 And Paul liked his present, but I honestly don't recall what it was Jan 26 09:35:37 And one of Anne's earrings has fallen apart already :) Jan 26 09:37:26 Thanks for taking me shopping :) Jan 26 09:38:47 dneary: excellent! Jan 26 09:38:47 :) Jan 26 09:39:05 dneary: so you're happy at home now? Jan 26 09:43:10 :) Jan 26 09:43:22 Did I give the impression of being unhappy? Jan 26 09:44:50 oh no no Jan 26 09:44:56 i didnt mean that Jan 26 09:45:04 hehe Jan 26 09:45:13 Did I make you feel uncomfortable? Jan 26 09:45:15 :) Jan 26 09:45:24 most people are happy to return home and see their family and what not again Jan 26 09:45:27 after travel Jan 26 09:45:31 :-P~ Jan 26 09:45:40 So - have you stopped beating your wife yet? Jan 26 09:45:44 * thiago_home is quite happy for being home Jan 26 09:45:45 nice recovery raster Jan 26 09:45:50 Not to put you on the spot or anything Jan 26 09:45:53 hahaha Jan 26 09:46:02 no Jan 26 09:46:10 Actually, we can't sit still here. Just bought a house & sold appartment Jan 26 09:46:15 have to go give her a smack-down Jan 26 09:46:19 just feelin' in the mood Jan 26 09:46:22 :) Jan 26 09:46:30 oooh Jan 26 09:46:31 new house Jan 26 09:46:37 moving today? Jan 26 09:46:42 Yeah - lots of work needed on it too Jan 26 09:46:52 So that's the next 2-3 years taken care of Jan 26 09:46:57 Not today, no Jan 26 09:47:05 when are u moving? Jan 26 09:47:06 Need to convince a bank to lend us some money first Jan 26 09:47:31 wait Jan 26 09:47:37 how did you buy the house then? Jan 26 09:47:37 :) Jan 26 09:48:07 raster, Well, we've currently agreed to buy the house, conditional on getting a home loan Jan 26 09:48:13 aaaaah Jan 26 09:48:14 ok Jan 26 09:48:15 And we've agreed to see the appartment Jan 26 09:48:17 so not finalised yet Jan 26 09:48:18 :) Jan 26 09:48:33 No - takes ~2.5 months in France when there's a bank loan involved Jan 26 09:49:19 wow Jan 26 09:49:31 how long will it take for the bank to give u an answer?> Jan 26 09:51:28 raster, So: 1. You sign an agreement to purchase, then you have 7 days to retract. You have a month from that date to find a bank & put in a loan application, then the bank has a month from that date to agree to or reject your application, then there's a couple of weeks to make the funds available Jan 26 09:51:44 I started numbering, then forgot to do it for 2, 3 and 4 :) Jan 26 09:52:48 But in short, by the time you put in an official loan application, your banker has told you whether the loan will be given or not Jan 26 09:53:34 The rest is just procedural (example: home loans are compulsorally insured in France, and the insurance companies will require a health exam) Jan 26 09:57:53 wow Jan 26 09:57:56 thats slow Jan 26 09:57:57 :) Jan 26 09:59:30 meh Jan 26 09:59:34 easier to pay cash Jan 26 10:00:15 You get an in principle agreement quickly, but the notaries include big buffers to allow the banks to be slow if there are any complications Jan 26 10:00:40 The health check can be (metaphysically) painful, for example Jan 26 10:02:11 For example, if you have recently had general anaesthetic, that triggers a full health check, and you have to send in all of the stuff that things like that generates, and it can be 2-3 round trips sending stuff to a doctor Jan 26 10:04:53 And if your loan needs an agreement from the commission at the bank, rather than the local branch (which it does if repayments will be over 33% of your monthly revenue, or you're requesting a bridging loan for more than 70% of the valuation of your current home, less outstanding debt, for example) that takes an extra 2 weeks because they really drill down into your credit & earnings history Jan 26 10:12:26 can anyone explain me what qt's 'meego graphics system' is about? Jan 26 10:13:13 an iconic user experience? Jan 26 10:46:29 hmm.. is there any off-the-self component available that would check test coverity based on check framework unit tests? Jan 26 10:48:04 lcov and a bit of scripting might work Jan 26 10:59:34 toninikkanen: isn't it so that gcov does not work with shared libraries? Jan 26 11:00:20 so my use case is that i have dll and set of unit tests and i want check their coverage Jan 26 11:00:52 well depends on how your unittests are built I guess, I had it once so that the required parts from the libraries were compiled statically into the unittest binary Jan 26 11:01:33 yes that would work probably for me also Jan 26 11:01:36 does somebody know how to solve this: Jan 26 11:01:46 i'll probably fallback to that Jan 26 11:01:50 pvr-bin-5.3.0.0035-16.1.i586 from non-oss-testing has depsolving problems Jan 26 11:01:50 --> pvr-bin conflicts with mesa-libGLESv1 Jan 26 11:01:50 Error: failed to create image : Failed to build transaction : pvr-bin conflicts with mesa-libGLESv1 Jan 26 11:16:13 mirek2_: why are you trying to put mesa-libGLESv1 and pvr-bin in same image? Jan 26 11:32:41 I am not Jan 26 11:32:52 it comes from some package from package group Jan 26 11:33:15 add -mesa-libGLESv1 in %packages then Jan 26 11:38:26 dos not resolve it Jan 26 11:40:53 hmm Jan 26 11:41:01 check how nCDK's .ks'es does it? Jan 26 11:44:00 Sage: yeah, something's really fishy with qt too Jan 26 11:44:06 er, wrong channel Jan 26 12:02:41 sorbus, are you from Finland? had to ask Jan 26 13:40:24 hey dragon Jan 26 13:46:34 Hi, I have an ASUS 1015PE and when I boot it up from the live mode, it doesn't seem to detect my WiFi NIC. Jan 26 13:46:48 It's probably a broadcom Jan 26 13:46:54 Actually, no, its not. Jan 26 13:47:08 Atheros ? Jan 26 13:47:37 RaLink RT3090 Jan 26 13:49:00 iirc, there was an issue with those in the kernel in 1.1 and it was marked as fixed for 1.1.1, i could be wrong Jan 26 13:49:27 Interesting. I originally tried Moblin, but then I joined #moblin and found Meego. ;) Jan 26 13:49:36 nod Jan 26 13:50:07 I'm gonna go ahead and install this, and see if I can get something to work, I found some guides for it possibly that will work. Jan 26 13:50:17 my new years resolution was to stop joining #moblin ;) Jan 26 13:50:24 LOL Jan 26 13:50:49 (I think I recall your nick from way back on #moblin) Jan 26 13:50:57 Nope. Jan 26 13:51:20 There was psi something or other guy, I helped install moblin on an sd card iirc Jan 26 13:51:35 Anyway, welcome to the world of tomorrow Jan 26 13:51:37 etc. Jan 26 13:52:11 Heh. Yeah. So far I like the idea Meego's got on netbooks.. I mean, wow.. Fast as heck, and yet popping eye candy at the same time. Unlike that Unity crap. Jan 26 13:55:06 Blah.. Jan 26 13:55:13 That guide I found was for the broadcom. Jan 26 13:55:19 Not the RAlink 3090. grrr. hehe Jan 26 14:00:34 DawnFoster: do you know when sponsorship applications for san francisco open? Jan 26 14:01:19 sjokkis: corporate sponsorship of the event or sponsored travel? Jan 26 14:02:09 Hmm, oddd.\ Jan 26 14:02:14 Psi-Jack: check the forums for that laptop model Jan 26 14:02:22 I'm pretty sure I've seen it mentioned as used ok Jan 26 14:02:26 I go to Ralink's Linux drivers download, and try to download, and get a 404.. Jan 26 14:03:24 slaine: 2 quick searches: 1015PE, and Ralink 3090, yields no results in the forums. Jan 26 14:03:40 :( Jan 26 14:03:55 DawnFoster: since i'm on program commitee again and we're starting CfP work, is there any way i can get access to survey results to base off for next CfP? Jan 26 14:04:00 sjokkis: we're already getting corporate sponsorships - Brian Warner is the contact for those Jan 26 14:04:37 sjokkis: sponsored travel requests should be ready as part of registration, which will open up in mid-Feb. Jan 26 14:05:28 DawnFoster: sponsored travel/accomodation Jan 26 14:05:47 sjokkis: yeah, that should be part of registration Jan 26 14:05:57 awesomesauce. thanks Jan 26 14:06:26 i think we'll be at least two from the team this year Jan 26 14:06:27 There we go, I found the RA3090 STA driver. Jan 26 14:09:24 lbt: ping Jan 26 14:10:35 How is Meego for internationalism? Like for example, I'd like to get Japanese IME support. Jan 26 14:29:55 Cope: pong Jan 26 14:42:20 Hmmm Jan 26 14:42:46 Seems like now that I blacklisted the rt2890sta and compiled the rt3090sta, it sees the Wifi, but also locks up. Jan 26 15:02:15 in #meego-meeting now: "Welcome to the first MeeGo L10N meeting of the year." Jan 26 15:49:12 alterego, seen on twitter #PushSnowboarding afaik it makes extensive use of gps tracks and other assorted sensory goodness Jan 26 15:49:35 the @NokiaPush guys have been doing it Jan 26 15:50:10 Sweet Jan 26 15:55:44 Well, I'd tried upgrading Meego using the zypper up method, and it loaded the rt2890sta driver, but that didn't work. It gave the WiFi option in networking, but wouldn't turn on. Jan 26 15:55:53 So, apparently, that's not fixed in 1.1.1 Jan 26 15:56:05 file a bug Jan 26 15:56:34 I'm downloading the 1.1.90 pre-releast atm Jan 26 15:56:55 meant to do work on my broadcom tutorial over the weekend but got side tracked Jan 26 15:57:00 slaine: i'd rather say "woo, another milestone" Jan 26 15:57:18 I'll try again Jan 26 15:57:20 I have compiled the rt3090sta driver myself, and it causes lockups, failure to load up meego fully into X, and I've even experienced the lockups also in Linux Mint as well. Which is, rather odd.. Jan 26 15:57:33 I'm downloading "woo, another milestone" atm Jan 26 15:57:55 slaine: For me, it's not broadcom, it's RaLink 3090. hehe Jan 26 15:58:09 I had a netbook that I returned that had a Broadcom. Older Acer One model. Jan 26 15:58:10 Psi-Jack: I know Jan 26 15:58:32 But they've changed the kernel and package details for 1.2 so I need to have my tutorial ready Jan 26 15:58:38 I just bought this Asus 1015PE brand new, and like it, but Windows 7 Starter was attrociously stupifying on it. Jan 26 15:58:46 Ahhh, I see. Jan 26 15:59:04 Psi-Jack: You could of course try one of the trunk images Jan 26 15:59:18 I'm pondering that. Where can I get those? Jan 26 15:59:18 slaine: qemu image? Jan 26 15:59:28 CosmoHill: no, going for the real deal Jan 26 15:59:34 good Jan 26 15:59:42 I'll have a mirror up in about 5 mins Jan 26 15:59:49 I've been so busy lately, I need to try and get motivated again Jan 26 16:00:01 I've not been busy but the motivation bit is the same Jan 26 16:00:19 currently telling LFS people to leave me be so I can work Jan 26 16:01:00 slaine: There a URL you can link me to get the trunk releases to test with? I'd be glad to try it out, see if it's workable, for now. Jan 26 16:01:25 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk Jan 26 16:01:40 cool, that worked from memory Jan 26 16:02:00 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/1.2/meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.90.0.20110125.3.img Jan 26 16:02:02 http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk/ also Jan 26 16:03:06 * lcuk vanishes Jan 26 16:04:23 Psi-Jack: you have three choises there :) Jan 26 16:04:42 heh Jan 26 16:04:55 Thanks guys. :) Jan 26 16:05:17 if one seems slow try another cos they should be different servers Jan 26 16:05:33 I'm getting 1.6 MB/s from the link slaine provided originally. ;) Jan 26 16:05:58 I can't even get 1.6MB/s on anything :o Jan 26 16:06:03 hehe Jan 26 16:06:13 I'll download at home I think. I'll be heading shortly and we've a crappy 4Mb link here Jan 26 16:06:22 I plan to further upgrade my bandwidth capability next month to 50 Mbit/down. ;) Jan 26 16:06:39 I'm going out for a driver Jan 26 16:06:43 drive*, cyas Jan 26 16:08:50 Seems also that the ASUS EeePC's have a LOT of Linux support mostly, too. heh Jan 26 16:09:29 Linux Mint 10 and Ubuntu 10.10 even has a PPA for jupiter, the Asus SHE support. ;) Jan 26 16:16:27 I'm guessing that the Meego desktop environment itself is made using Qt, probably why I like it so much? :) Jan 26 16:16:40 netbook isn't, rest of UX'es are supposedly Jan 26 16:17:00 Hmm interesting. Jan 26 16:17:05 Stskeeps: "rest"? ;-) Jan 26 16:17:20 'handset' Jan 26 16:17:21 :P Jan 26 16:17:50 and ivi Jan 26 16:18:06 Is the netbook UX going to be Qt going forward? 1.3 or later? Jan 26 16:18:26 don't know, there doesn't even seem to be a development team for it Jan 26 16:21:27 Blah.. Jan 26 16:21:45 It still loaded the blasted rt2860sta which doesn't work on my rt3090 Jan 26 16:37:05 heh, now that's sad. Jan 26 16:37:18 I was able to just plug my USB Belkin Wifi adapter and it just worked. Jan 26 16:37:38 Heh, a netbook, with an external WiFi adapter. How wrong! Jan 26 16:43:36 Psi-Jack: I'm still confused as to why a lot of netbooks don't even have bluetooth :x Jan 26 16:43:59 cost, and only cost Jan 26 16:44:33 sad, really Jan 26 16:44:36 Heh yeah, I know. I have a little bluetooth dongle, but it's stupid. This RaLink 3090 is /supposed/ to be dual mode WiFi 802.11 b/g/n AND bluetooth, but on this netbook bluetooth is obviously disabled. Jan 26 16:44:54 DawnFoster: TSG or not tonight, btw? Jan 26 16:45:15 Stskeeps: currently yes :) Jan 26 16:45:24 Stskeeps: still confirming agenda :) Jan 26 16:45:35 hehe, okay :) Jan 26 16:46:21 Psi-Jack: I got a Dell Mini 9, has all of that jazz :) Jan 26 16:46:36 Not sure if it's a bit dated now, I did get it two years ago. Jan 26 16:46:57 heh Jan 26 16:47:09 I should buy my gf a proper laptop so I can have that back and install MeeGo on it .. Jan 26 16:47:14 I dunno. I /just/ got my Asus netbook day before yesterday. Jan 26 16:47:33 Less than $300, and pretty decent setup, minus the lack of bt Jan 26 16:47:58 And apparently the Ralink 3090 issues I'm having. Jan 26 16:48:50 So, 1.1.90 definitely did not fix that issue at all. Which sucks. :( Jan 26 16:50:01 I'd quite like one of those lenovos they were giving away in Dublin :( Jan 26 16:50:19 I've never heard anything GOOD about Lenovo, myself. Jan 26 16:50:27 Heh Jan 26 16:51:02 I've heard great with Asus EeePC's, pretty good with Acer Aspires, and not much on anything else. Jan 26 16:51:19 Well, from what I can tell the Dell Minis are the best. Jan 26 16:51:26 As far as running Linux on them ^.^ Jan 26 16:51:35 i've got an acer aspire one with a dead screen, i googled a bit and seems that could be fixed with 40 euros and a screwdriver. it runs meego fine Jan 26 16:51:39 And the build quality is amazing, and it's really easy to mod :) Jan 26 16:51:59 Where as the aspires and the eees have always been a b*tch to dissassemble. Jan 26 16:52:04 Yeah, and with Dell's you definitely pay an extreme price for them. Jan 26 16:53:22 I got mine about the same price as yours Jan 26 16:53:45 Yeah, mine was $270 Jan 26 16:53:51 USD that is. Jan 26 16:54:01 The Dell, when I got it, was 285 USD Jan 26 16:54:09 The current line of Dell Mini's, local, I find at about $384 USD Jan 26 16:54:13 But it was an ex-display model from a phone shop. Jan 26 16:54:36 And some kind of Crystal HD Broadcom Media Accelerator for graphics... heh Jan 26 16:54:37 <[q^_^p]> fix the camara on kernel-power 46 Jan 26 16:54:37 <[q^_^p]> any advice Jan 26 16:54:56 It was in perfect nick, except the ass hole took out the 3G module and gave me the wrong power adapter, even though it works .. Jan 26 16:55:00 [q^_^p]: wrong channel, Jan 26 16:56:31 alterego: Heh, yeah, my Netbook I returned was from RAC.. Bad idea, I know, but I got it free for a month. Decent little thing, but Broadcom Wifi that was a pain. They gave me a bad power cable that had bare wire exposed, said they could order me a new one, lied, gave me one that didn't fit it right and snug, had to be in a VERY specific way, and yeaaah. I said, screw you guys. Jan 26 16:56:57 :/ Jan 26 16:57:07 Went to Best Buy, picked this up, returned the Acer to RAC, now exploring a new Netbook.. Hoping I can get it to do what I want.. Jan 26 16:57:12 Yeah, I wasn't _that_ fussed about the charger or the 3g module. Jan 26 16:57:28 I like the battery life of this Asus though, holy crap.. Jan 26 16:57:37 Actually ,that wasn't the only "slight" con, the model (and I checked) was a windows version with 3G module. Jan 26 16:57:38 The Acer, MAYBE 2 hours.. Jan 26 16:57:43 Guess what else it didn't come with? :) Jan 26 16:57:49 This Asus, I can get 6 hours at maximum performance. Jan 26 16:58:26 He gave me an ubuntu CD with it ^.^ instead of the windows XP installation disc. Jan 26 16:58:33 lol Jan 26 16:58:41 Joke is on him though, he left the windows license key on the bottom of the netbook Jan 26 16:58:52 BB gave me Kaspersky Anti-Virus with mine.. I was like. OKay... It's a CD.. How would I install it? LOL Jan 26 16:58:57 Not that I need it with the MSDN license I have. Jan 26 16:59:07 Psi-Jack: yeah, there's that too :D Jan 26 16:59:16 Hi all Jan 26 16:59:20 DawnFoster, Ping? Jan 26 16:59:21 Aloha dneary_ Jan 26 17:00:04 So far there's only one thing about Meego I'm not liking, interface-wise. Jan 26 17:00:14 The battery indicator only says percentage, not time remaining. Jan 26 17:00:39 File a bug report :) Jan 26 17:01:05 heh Jan 26 17:01:18 If I can manage to use Meego, I will. ;) Jan 26 17:01:31 dneary: hey Jan 26 17:02:12 Worse comes to worst, I may just use the Belkin WiFi dongle for a while, file a bug report on that for the rt3090, file a bug report on the battery indicator, and hope the first one gets resolved quickly.. hehe Jan 26 17:04:03 Few things I really want to be able to use my netbook for, since I'm gonna be traveling to Japan here this year.. in-flight continued study of Japanese. ;) Jan 26 17:04:23 Cause, 12 hours on a plane, gotta do /something/ heh Jan 26 17:07:41 Psi-Jack: Nice :) Jan 26 17:08:05 Yeah, my soon-to-be wife is over there. ;) Jan 26 17:09:21 DawnFoster, You mentioned you could get me access to the survey data? Jan 26 17:19:02 Hmmm, I'm guessing MeeGo doesn't have OpenOffice? Jan 26 17:20:26 I don't think we do Jan 26 17:23:39 Hmmm, that's about one of the few things it's missing. ;) Jan 26 17:23:58 the netbook UX could have it Jan 26 17:24:14 I'm using MeeGo Netbook Jan 26 17:32:51 Heh, iiiinteresting. Looking at the ralink drivers you can download directly from Ralink's website, there's specific changelog entries about compatability with MeeGo's network manager! Jan 26 17:38:13 Noice Jan 26 17:41:10 YES!!! Jan 26 17:41:36 I got the built-in WiFi Working! I had to get the firmware only, put it into /lib/firmware as rt3090.bin , and voila! Jan 26 17:45:13 Psi-Jack: wicked :) Jan 26 17:45:21 Psi-Jack: submit a bug :D Jan 26 17:45:40 OR search, there may be a reason they haven't distributed that firmware. Jan 26 17:45:50 Hehe. Jan 26 17:46:05 Yeah. I think it's because of Ralink's distribution license. Jan 26 17:46:16 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=12139 Jan 26 17:46:31 Heh Jan 26 17:46:33 I found that trick here, which wasn't for my specific netbook, but they mentioned rt3090. Jan 26 17:46:45 Yeah Jan 26 17:47:38 So far. *crosses fingers* It's also stable. Jan 26 17:48:00 It's BASICALLy the rt2860 driver with 3090 firmware, that's it.. Jan 26 17:48:35 The 3090 full has both 802.11n and Bluetooth, this is a lesser hybrid with the same model. Fricken hate when companies do that crap. one model, multiple versions of it. Jan 26 17:51:09 And now, it's wonderfully dropping the connection,... sighj Jan 26 17:52:24 random question, if I was zero filling a hdd with dd, would the blocksize affect the speed? Jan 26 17:59:12 Curious.. MeeGo apparently used to use yum before, now using zypper.. Does that mean that MeeGo is kinda based on OpenSUSE? Jan 26 18:01:23 MeeGo is based on it's self Jan 26 18:01:29 * Psi-Jack nods. Jan 26 18:01:44 Moblin used yum and that was carried over into MeeGo 1.0 and I think 1.1 by mistake Jan 26 18:02:53 CosmoHill, I think 1.1 uses zypper Jan 26 18:02:55 Well.. Skype.. Sorta works.. Jan 26 18:03:02 1.1 does use zypper. Jan 26 18:03:04 both have zypper installed Jan 26 18:03:27 hopefully yum will not be present in 1.2 Jan 26 18:03:44 Psi-Jack: "sorta works" is a very high rating :) Jan 26 18:03:59 heh, hey, I like, and use Skype. Jan 26 18:04:23 Even have my own Skype WiFi phone, because $60/yr for unlimited US/Canada calls is friggen good. ;) Jan 26 18:04:25 I meant on meego Jan 26 18:04:56 that depends, I don't know anyone's phone number who lives in the US or canada Jan 26 18:04:59 Yeah, apparently banshee was eating the CPU Jan 26 18:07:55 Welp, now that banshee's not killing the CPU,, Skype works dang good. ;) Jan 26 18:13:07 i hate things that kill the processor Jan 26 18:13:10 * CosmoHill glares at flash Jan 26 18:13:51 Stskeeps: Agenda for the TSG today in 1.75 hours :) http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings Jan 26 18:14:58 DawnFoster: spotted it already :) Jan 26 18:15:06 ah good. Jan 26 18:15:15 I made one final change a few min ago Jan 26 18:15:56 * Stskeeps liked bdub's approach of "please bugzilla me" Jan 26 18:16:06 that's openness and transparency right there :) Jan 26 18:25:10 Hmmm, does Sync with Google not do notes, appointments, or tasks, even though I know the google service has all that? Jan 26 19:22:08 Fun Jan 26 19:22:44 Everytime I try to use the Meego menu suddenly it just slides open and shut the entire panel that comes out... On everything.. Applications, network, etc, everything. Jan 26 19:29:36 DawnFoster: quite nice that we're resolving almost as many bugs as is created, even though i wonder how much of those are related to the policy of "each new package update needs a BMC or FEA#" .. Jan 26 19:29:40 :P Jan 26 19:29:50 TSG meeting starting in 30 minutes: http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings Jan 26 19:30:29 Stskeeps: and december metrics are always a little odd, since have the world is on vacation, but I think you're probably right about the policy :) Jan 26 19:35:08 fiferboy: ping Jan 26 19:35:18 in the Time and Date panel, how do I add a time for specifically HMT? Jan 26 19:35:19 lardman: pong Jan 26 19:35:19 GMT Jan 26 19:35:27 how's things? Jan 26 19:36:06 lardman: Good. Busy. Jan 26 19:36:08 lardman: You? Jan 26 19:36:09 how's the "itemdb"-ish app coming along? Jan 26 19:36:34 also busy, waiting for my N900 to re-appear to I can get cracking on mBarcode updates and helping out with "itemdb" Jan 26 19:38:03 I have been refactoring my database project to take on a general library-esque theme Jan 26 19:38:15 cool Jan 26 19:38:52 There's a chap on TMO wanting to scan a load of items before moving house, so I was just touching base to see whether anything was up and running Jan 26 19:39:09 lardman: I used mBarcode today to decode a big QR my co-workers BB couldn't handle Jan 26 19:39:18 * lardman feels happy Jan 26 19:39:21 :) Jan 26 19:39:48 lardman: At the rate I am going it is going to be a while before I have things in a usable state Jan 26 19:39:54 Anyone? GMT on the Time and Date panel when you click on the time, it brings down that with multiple time zones, appointments and tasks, etc. Jan 26 19:40:14 Once I have an N900 back I'll start working on it, do you have the code up anywhere? Jan 26 19:40:54 someone took a message from UPS today, so I guess it's in transit (garbaled tracking number, so not quite sure where it is) Jan 26 19:41:11 Not yet, once I have everything renamed and compiling I will throw it up into a git server Jan 26 19:41:48 ok, will wait until you're sorted, no rush Jan 26 19:45:16 * lardman goes to grab some supper Jan 26 19:55:52 lardman: I'm having an urge to do a geolocation game with Columbus and QR barcodes :) Jan 26 20:03:15 evening all Jan 26 20:03:17 TSG meeting now in case anyone forgot :) Jan 26 20:10:28 ah... not "MeeGo operations" ... "MeeGo stuff that LF is supposed to deal with" Jan 26 20:14:55 dneary_: isn't the "be quiet" reminder very unpleasant ... just when you think you've waited for a pause Jan 26 20:15:13 watching people type is so hard Jan 26 20:15:16 quite makes you not want to say anything Jan 26 20:15:25 Yeah :) I was just saying - there was a lull, and I thought he'd finished Jan 26 20:15:47 lbt: I will ask for questions Jan 26 20:16:08 if we don't have a process for these meetings, we can't get to the approvals Jan 26 20:20:41 dneary_: at least the issue re naming of projects bug was assigned and taken upon Jan 26 20:21:46 Stskeeps: that's a huge step in the right direction Jan 26 20:22:05 bdub: btw, +1 on taking the approach of using bugzilla for your work tracking :) Jan 26 20:22:41 thanks! Jan 26 20:22:56 it'll keep me sane (or at least tell me how crazy I am) Jan 26 20:23:15 Gotta go Jan 26 20:23:29 laters dneary_ Jan 26 20:23:35 Sorry I can't stay longer, interested in Ibrahim's report. I guess I'll see the minutes Jan 26 20:23:42 bugzilla's my crazy metric Jan 26 20:24:22 hey bdub, welcome... Jan 26 20:24:24 slaine: worse than git commits? Jan 26 20:24:34 bdub: are you around Portland ? Jan 26 20:25:01 Stskeeps: yes, doing more and more managery stuff these days, so I see everyones bugzilla as well as my own, sigh Jan 26 20:25:12 lbt: I'm actually in Texas, but I'll be spending some time out there for sure. Jan 26 20:25:25 OK ... the MeeGo IT team is coming over the last week in Feb and it would be a good idea to meet. Jan 26 20:26:33 Nice! can you send me the details of which days they'll be there and what'll be happening? Jan 26 20:26:36 http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/blog/2011/01/18/winning-meego-content Contest winners announced. Way to go thp, creator of my favorite app, gpodder (plug!) Jan 26 20:26:52