**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 06 02:59:57 2011 Feb 06 03:37:07 That sounds inconvenient. Feb 06 04:01:15 Has anyone installed TOR? Feb 06 04:01:38 (In the netbook edition) Feb 06 04:02:47 GAN900, sorry mate Feb 06 04:05:03 Also, with the virtual keyboard, is it possible to hide by default, so it will only show when I call it? Feb 06 05:44:56 Feb 06 09:48:03 morning Feb 06 09:48:56 morning Feb 06 10:04:53 hmm, gedit is too damn clever for its own good Feb 06 10:07:40 i feel sometimes same with vi Feb 06 10:08:13 just that gedit was refusing to open /var/log/messages as it couldn't work out the encoding, and I couldn't work out how to force one Feb 06 10:10:53 * lardman wonders how happy his local mobile phone shop will be for him to turn up with his Meego booting tab to see whether their keyboards will work with it? Feb 06 10:32:50 hi Feb 06 10:33:18 hi Feb 06 10:34:54 * rzr is scared about all those m$ related news Feb 06 10:35:50 news? Feb 06 10:35:57 meh, just rumours. you can start shitting your pants once they do announcements Feb 06 10:37:05 :D Feb 06 10:38:17 i thought that cross-portability was one key thingy Feb 06 10:38:56 marketing driven companies does not care about that Feb 06 10:39:25 about what? Feb 06 10:39:43 technical features Feb 06 10:40:36 you mean FUDD driven companies. Feb 06 10:40:46 and dotnet silver/moon/light etc can "ensure" that portability ... :) Feb 06 10:40:55 yes same crap Feb 06 10:42:15 look at novell's success story Feb 06 10:43:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8 Feb 06 10:46:39 that girl is cross-porting hammer... it's hammer time. Feb 06 10:46:51 :) Feb 06 10:51:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo Feb 06 10:53:03 halt. hammerzeit. Feb 06 10:57:51 lbt: ping! Feb 06 10:58:35 pong Cope Feb 06 11:07:37 vgrade, how do I get eth0 to appear on the joggler? Feb 06 11:57:56 ma Feb 06 12:14:40 w0rldcitizen: here then ... Feb 06 12:14:44 Hi all Feb 06 12:14:51 so... packaging for meego core... Feb 06 12:14:57 I would Like to package for meego Feb 06 12:15:04 you need to essentially get commit rights Feb 06 12:15:36 so what packages you want to maintain and why you should be considered Feb 06 12:16:04 I suggest you start by working on the community OBS Feb 06 12:16:20 w0rldcitizen: so in here, not msg :) Feb 06 12:17:21 How can i get an account to work on the community OBS? Feb 06 12:17:28 ask me :) Feb 06 12:17:33 that's easy Feb 06 12:17:50 it's like getting a home: account on suse OBS vs commit to Factory Feb 06 12:18:06 what's your meego username Feb 06 12:18:30 my meego user name is "worldcitizen" same as at opensuse Feb 06 12:18:50 ok- enabled Feb 06 12:19:09 thanks Feb 06 12:19:11 the basic rules are OSS only and don't rebuild all of meego in your home :) Feb 06 12:19:45 we are working on policy and processes to get packages into core and into the community QA'ed repos Feb 06 12:20:16 there's an "ITP" page too - and maybe see what's happing on maemo. I know navit is packaged there Feb 06 12:21:31 hmmm, we'll need to find a way to say "this package is maintained by a maemo/moblin dev - they've got first first refusal on maintaining it in meego" Feb 06 12:30:25 ok, so anyone else from finland need something from fosdem? I'll be in Helsinki Mo/Tue and then in tampere. Feb 06 15:01:37 hi lbt Feb 06 15:02:35 does osc access be definned in a different way as via the webgui Feb 06 15:02:51 For me the webgui is o0k, osc not Feb 06 15:03:06 no - https://api.pub.meego.com/ Feb 06 15:03:30 ok, i used api.meego.com Feb 06 15:03:32 thanks Feb 06 15:04:09 np Feb 06 15:09:20 It looks like i cant edit: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/CLI_Part_1 Feb 06 15:09:53 I think the pub link should also be added if your in the public build Feb 06 15:13:36 I see I can edit :) Feb 06 15:23:22 I am getting trouble while booting from live usb of meego Feb 06 15:23:34 i created the live usb using dd Feb 06 15:23:45 but the message at boot time is Feb 06 15:25:10 "no default r ui configuration directive found Feb 06 15:25:43 please help Feb 06 16:12:13 Does anyone know if is possible to install TOR or the Geany IDE in meego? Feb 06 16:20:24 CANADIANGUY: you can install anything Feb 06 16:20:40 if it's not packaged, use traditional means (get the source and compile) Feb 06 16:21:41 When I get the source for TOR, it gives "openssl directory not found". I used to option to find the directory manually, but it still did not work Feb 06 16:21:57 or if it's packaged for another rpm distro you may find it easy to repackage Feb 06 16:22:06 did you install the openssl development package? Feb 06 16:22:09 Ya. Feb 06 16:22:48 then it sounds like the TOR source package isn't working properly. You need to talk to their developers. Feb 06 16:23:33 I will see. Feb 06 16:23:53 It is a huge project, it should be working. Feb 06 16:24:40 many huge projects have bugs :) Feb 06 16:24:54 Also with the virtual keyboard can you hide it so that it only appears when you call it (by tapping the top bar) Feb 06 19:12:23 Hi, Do I need to install additional components to setup Qt quick project? Feb 06 19:13:04 Project type is not available when I go to create new project Feb 06 19:20:18 how did you install Qt Creator? Feb 06 19:20:50 via the MeeGo SDK we published last year before the MeeGo conf or the Qt SDK beta? Feb 06 19:22:31 I installed sdk 1.2 Feb 06 19:22:41 or was it 1.1.2 Feb 06 19:24:39 I used setup instruction that can be found from meego home page but targets 1.1.2 Feb 06 19:24:53 that doesn't have Qt Quick project support Feb 06 19:25:01 you need something with Qt Creator 2.1 Feb 06 19:25:46 okey Feb 06 19:25:54 thanks :) Feb 06 19:28:44 get the latest Qt SDK and you'll have the support Feb 06 19:33:17 I found qt creator 2.1 release candidate. Is that correct one? Feb 06 19:33:26 yes Feb 06 19:34:31 Great. Feb 06 19:43:09 Got it work. Feb 06 19:58:17 exit Feb 06 19:58:25 oops Feb 06 20:01:56 Top gear now :) Feb 06 21:20:24 bleah: you get Qt Quick project support if you install Qt 4.7.1 alongside QtCreator from Meego SDK Feb 06 21:23:27 guess i should try QtCreator 2.1 Feb 06 21:49:31 npm: install the latest Qt Creator snapshot Feb 06 22:08:46 hi everyone, I was looking at the planning of 1.2 release. Do you think that handset 1.2 will be usable as main SO on a phone? Feb 06 22:18:51 hirabayashitaro, depends on the hardware I'd say Feb 06 22:20:26 andre__: well, my oncerns are about N900, but I think that most of the features re common to any device Feb 06 22:26:14 angry birds is lagging on my n900 ;I Feb 06 23:33:34 ji Feb 06 23:33:35 hi Feb 06 23:34:35 hi Feb 06 23:36:48 is there a way to develop for meego using ubuntu? I dont have a netbook, but I want to port my app from linux to meego Feb 06 23:37:02 I believe the MeeGo SDK works on ubuntu Feb 06 23:37:41 hu Feb 06 23:38:05 lu niala1 Feb 06 23:38:51 i believe i can fly, i believe i can touch the sky. I believe ai can develop meego lala lalala lala Feb 06 23:39:58 nice day CosmoHill? Feb 06 23:40:10 lazy, watched a few times and took some phoots Feb 06 23:40:14 *photos Feb 06 23:43:00 someone tell me why I'm watching the Super Bowl Feb 06 23:43:09 CosmoHill: what kind of photos? Feb 06 23:43:22 mostly sky photos of clouds / sun / moon Feb 06 23:44:16 cool Feb 06 23:45:22 CosmoHill: I almost die on mountain bike today :) Feb 06 23:45:38 :o Feb 06 23:46:53 CosmoHill: a rocks in a puddle of mud Feb 06 23:49:10 I need to get riding my bike some more Feb 06 23:50:12 yes when the weather is not to cold or to hot Feb 06 23:50:22 UK has crazy winds at the moment Feb 06 23:51:27 i hate wind on bike Feb 06 23:52:06 niala1: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/bike/DSC_0052.JPG Feb 06 23:54:16 I've replaced the grips and peddles since the picture was taken Feb 06 23:56:02 a true montain bike. mine a hybrid http://www.evanscycles.com/products/specialized/crosstrail-sport-2010-hybrid-bike-ec019786 2009 in white Feb 06 23:56:52 oo I see Feb 06 23:57:57 http://kustompcs.co.uk/graeme/DSC00290.JPG Feb 06 23:58:00 my mate on his stinky Feb 07 00:01:00 big calves Feb 07 00:01:02 :) Feb 07 00:43:09 cyas Feb 07 00:58:43 Holy moly you boys hear the latest rumor? Nokia dropping meego like a sack of potatoes... Comments? Feb 07 00:59:38 (1) channel doesn't contain only boys (2) rumors are stupid Feb 07 01:00:09 Sorry didnt mean to offend. But where there is some there is fire Feb 07 01:00:40 *Where there is some there is fire Feb 07 01:00:56 *where there is smoke Feb 07 01:02:18 This dude is saying nokia ade dropping meego...kinda explains why aari jaaksi left town Feb 07 01:03:38 some guy with a blog wants attention Feb 07 01:03:46 Why would a guy who started the meego project leave? Because he knew what was cooking! Feb 07 01:03:52 he didn't start the meego project Feb 07 01:03:53 jaaksi left months ago Feb 07 01:04:40 Yeah but jaaksi was here when meego was announced and then when elop was rumored to come on board kaboom jaaksi is gonzo! Feb 07 01:04:59 Kooldude: if they were going to kill meego in that fashion they would have done so MONTHS ago Feb 07 01:05:04 before more money and time was spent Feb 07 01:05:15 You think? Maybe Feb 07 01:05:43 So what about elop announcement this friday? Feb 07 01:05:47 who knows Feb 07 01:06:02 I like the rumor that it's office and crap for Nokia meego devices Feb 07 01:06:04 but who knows Feb 07 01:06:17 no one here works directly for nokia (or if they do, won't say anything) Feb 07 01:06:35 Look i love maemo and all but nokia doesnt have stinkin chance with meego Feb 07 01:06:43 sure they do Feb 07 01:07:08 Theyre late to the game Feb 07 01:07:20 no matter what they will be Feb 07 01:07:21 but Feb 07 01:07:21 * TSCHAKeee gives Kooldude a mushroom print. Feb 07 01:07:28 out of the gate they could easily beat WP7 Feb 07 01:07:41 which is missing features that one would have expected from Microsoft ages ago Feb 07 01:08:02 (immature? yes, but roughly equivalent to someone coming in here screaming rumour as fact and trolling as a result) Feb 07 01:08:33 Yeah but market perception is everything....meego lack the eye candy and developers dont give a rat's ass about meego Feb 07 01:08:53 meego is an infrastructure layer, not the shiny face end-users see Feb 07 01:09:11 at least, all the iPhone/Android fans who glance at meego don't bother to understand what it is Feb 07 01:09:15 end users won't' see meego as an end user product. Feb 07 01:09:23 So how will nokia win this battle? Feb 07 01:09:29 by doing what nokia needs to do Feb 07 01:09:37 Nokia will take it, and extend it for their needs Feb 07 01:09:44 as will ANYONE ELSE using meego Feb 07 01:09:44 Which is? Feb 07 01:09:45 deliver a good user experience on the device, and provide services users want Feb 07 01:09:51 that's nokia's job Feb 07 01:10:07 MeeGo is here for anyone who is developing an embedded appliance Feb 07 01:10:22 and wants a solid operating environment to run on it Feb 07 01:10:39 embedded device here being a Phone, a TV, a netbook, an in-vehicle device, whatever. Feb 07 01:10:40 a solid operating environment not wholly directed by a single corporation Feb 07 01:10:49 shareholders are furious with the kiddy os nokia has and so far meego is nothing but wishful thinking Feb 07 01:11:07 are you one of those doom fetishists who likes to post on TMO? Feb 07 01:11:11 the other thing, Nokia is not meego, meego is not Nokia Feb 07 01:11:19 MeeGo is run by the Linux Foundation Feb 07 01:11:33 of which, Intel and Nokia are the most visible contributors of engineering and marketing resources. Feb 07 01:11:48 why is this so hard for people to grasp? Feb 07 01:11:50 everyone and their mother is in on meego now Feb 07 01:12:30 Nokia has commited considerable resources to MeeGo Handset, and they will release at least ONE product with it. Feb 07 01:12:35 You gotta remember: elop is not an Intel loverboy. I have it on good source that when he was at MS he was one of the anti Intel crusaders. THAT my friends speaks volumes. Volumes! Feb 07 01:12:47 no it doesn't Feb 07 01:13:04 Youre jokking buddy. Trust me. Feb 07 01:13:05 you really aren't seeing the picture here at all, Kooldude. Feb 07 01:13:13 Kooldude: and you're making shit up :p Feb 07 01:13:37 trust me, you're in here with people who actually work at the places you're claiming to make shit up about. Feb 07 01:13:40 you might Feb 07 01:13:43 want Feb 07 01:13:45 to watch what you say. Feb 07 01:13:56 but I think you've already significantly damaged your credibility. Feb 07 01:14:15 How can an Intel doubter now all of a sudden love the relationship with the said Intel? Connect the dots boys, connect the damn dots. Feb 07 01:14:29 ... Feb 07 01:14:30 Kooldude: stop trying to pose speculation as fact Feb 07 01:14:39 you have no facts, boy. Feb 07 01:14:45 none Feb 07 01:14:48 zero Feb 07 01:15:03 Look im just talking about shit posted on internet, why cant we discuss that. Im not saying its the bible, chill dude. Feb 07 01:15:12 * TSCHAKeee laughs Feb 07 01:15:17 did you not hear what we said? Feb 07 01:15:26 no you're saying you ahve knowledge, when you don't Feb 07 01:15:28 Kooldude: you're trying to discuss random speculation mixed with likely made up nonsense Feb 07 01:15:36 I'd rather just sit back and wait Feb 07 01:15:37 this channel has many people, who work at the very companies you are slandering. Feb 07 01:15:55 people who are a lot closer to the truth Feb 07 01:15:57 Laugh all you want dude. Your little meego project faces an uphill battle and you know it, so may i suggest taking a chill pill? Feb 07 01:15:58 than you. Feb 07 01:16:19 * TSCHAKeee looks over at wmarone all boggled. Feb 07 01:16:26 Kooldude: what, so you didn't come here to discuss meego, you came to discuss "doom" and how we're done for, right? Feb 07 01:16:48 I think is is MeegoBoy or whatever his nick was Feb 07 01:16:51 or rather, you just want us to agree with you Feb 07 01:16:55 berndhs: quite possible Feb 07 01:17:23 Im not saying the rumors are true but isnt this internet's beauty? Free discussion? Or would you boys rather operate like the good old Soviet Union. Got it komrade? Feb 07 01:17:35 * TSCHAKeee laughs Feb 07 01:17:37 Kooldude: you aren't here after free discussion :P Feb 07 01:17:45 I am. Feb 07 01:17:45 wow man Feb 07 01:17:48 wow... Feb 07 01:17:57 social tact = 0 Feb 07 01:18:10 ? Feb 07 01:18:12 we told you our opinoin of the rumors you wholeheartedly believe in, but are reacting in a way that tells me the only thing you want to hear is "yeah man we agree" Feb 07 01:18:16 opinion* Feb 07 01:18:42 Kooldude: You have the emotional disposition of someone who is quite frankly not open for civil discussion. Feb 07 01:18:44 wmarone: no i'm not saying you must agree... Feb 07 01:19:01 Kooldude: but your response is wholly one of "you're wrong because you disagree" Feb 07 01:19:20 But all I get is hostility from certain folks with pickles up their ass... Err... Noses. Feb 07 01:19:39 Kooldude: we're just not convinced, in the slightest, by the rumors and idle, baseless speculation Feb 07 01:19:43 Kooldude: you came here, spouting off rumour, yelling it at the top of your lungs. We dismiss it on the grounds that it is just that... rumour. Feb 07 01:19:45 Kooldude: you troll for negative responses, that's why Feb 07 01:19:46 May i ask why youre a hostile bunch? Feb 07 01:19:53 Kooldude: hostile? Feb 07 01:19:54 No Feb 07 01:19:56 hostile? Feb 07 01:20:09 Let me clarify.... Feb 07 01:20:13 what are you on, man? Feb 07 01:20:31 I come in here looking for discussion and all i get is name calling? Feb 07 01:20:33 TSCHAKeee: we're not being completely passive, therefore we're hostile Feb 07 01:20:57 wmarone: ...he's seems to have the emotional maturity of a 12 year old. Feb 07 01:21:43 So if nokia does something with meego and announces something on feb 11 will you all apologize to me? Im not saying theyre dropping it but there WILL be changes. Deal? Feb 07 01:21:56 Kooldude: if I may give you one final piece of information. MeeGo is governed by the Linux Foundation. Ultimately this means, even if Nokia ditches.. if Intel ditches.. guess what? There will still be MeeGo. Feb 07 01:22:01 Kooldude: why should we, you know nothing more than anyone else Feb 07 01:22:18 a lucky guess or two makes you no more right than anyone else Feb 07 01:22:22 wmarone im not saying that i do Feb 07 01:23:21 Why do you guys there are so many negative talks on the maemo/meego boards? Feb 07 01:23:30 *think Feb 07 01:23:38 there are negative talks on every message board on this planet Feb 07 01:23:44 Kooldude: because it's the internet Feb 07 01:23:59 no matter what, you will piss somebody off. Feb 07 01:24:10 Fair. Feb 07 01:24:30 go look around the iphone and android message boards Feb 07 01:24:38 So why then are you guys attacking me constantly? Am i coming in here and name calling? Feb 07 01:24:40 it balances out to the same ratios. Feb 07 01:25:03 Kooldude: you mistake our questioning of your information for attacks Feb 07 01:25:03 Kooldude: you presented your speculation, we responded saying it was speculation, you got pissed. Feb 07 01:25:31 Kooldude: you, unfortunately, seem to lack basic social tact. Feb 07 01:25:43 Kooldude: in that... it's not only what you say, but how you say it. Feb 07 01:26:04 No. You called me names THEN i got pissed, you didnt present an intelligent counter argument like a civilized human. You gave me a low blow and said TROLL ! Feb 07 01:26:25 Kooldude: that was AFTER you persisted in pushing the speculation as fact Feb 07 01:26:32 so we lost all faith in your point Feb 07 01:26:39 preeeety much. Feb 07 01:26:53 mind you, you aren't the first person to come in here and attack the project with baseless speculation Feb 07 01:27:10 May i say that the word TROLL is a a favourite lexicon of another group of annoyingly persistent people: fan bois Feb 07 01:27:45 yes, I like linux distributions Feb 07 01:28:01 not nokia/intel/whatever, but serious, open source linux distributions Feb 07 01:28:09 unlike damn near every other mobile OS out there Feb 07 01:28:13 i like meego, and android, and the iphone, OH NOES! I CAN'T DO THAT! Feb 07 01:28:16 I am not calling you fan bois but i dont think its pure coincidence that the word TROLL is the favorite line of defense for the said fan bois Feb 07 01:28:59 baaaaackpedal Feb 07 01:29:01 ;) Feb 07 01:29:04 No Feb 07 01:29:09 ;) Feb 07 01:29:13 No Feb 07 01:30:11 I think its behavioural Feb 07 01:30:11 hehe Feb 07 01:30:26 berndhs: absolutely. Feb 07 01:31:07 So you boys are all saying that the said rumors are false and that meego is in fact nokia's OS of choice for their top end devices? Correct? Feb 07 01:31:41 dunno, we'll see what he says next week Feb 07 01:31:42 Silence? Feb 07 01:31:43 no, we're saying that they're RUMORS Feb 07 01:31:58 Fair Feb 07 01:32:09 we'll see what happens in the next couple of weeks Feb 07 01:32:11 the end Feb 07 01:32:13 regardless of what happens, I continue using MeeGo on my research hardware. Feb 07 01:32:24 Cool Feb 07 01:32:29 another way to say it is, "I don't give a flying fuck." :) Feb 07 01:32:46 Interesting train of thought Feb 07 01:32:55 indeed, all that the next week will determine is whom I buy my next phone from Feb 07 01:32:58 meego will still exist Feb 07 01:33:08 True Feb 07 01:33:54 We have to remember one thing: after the maemo fiasco of unfullfilled promises the market is doubtful. Am i correct? You have to agree. Feb 07 01:34:03 no I don't Feb 07 01:34:04 :P Feb 07 01:34:37 Abandoning OS doesnt help the cause my friends. Glad we agree. Feb 07 01:34:41 unfulfilled promises? Maemo was used as the operating system in four devices. Feb 07 01:35:03 the lessons in Maemo have been carried into MeeGo Core and Handset Feb 07 01:35:14 how is this unfulfilled? Feb 07 01:35:52 The N900 was beinng proclaimed as the second coming of messiah and promptly discarded of after a short time on the market. Correct? Feb 07 01:35:56 no Feb 07 01:36:07 iirc, the N97 was the main line phone at the time Feb 07 01:36:10 Hmmm... Pray explain Feb 07 01:36:28 the N900 was marketed directly to the audience that bought into the previous internet tablets Feb 07 01:36:43 I do recall N900 plastered all over the walls in London. No? Feb 07 01:36:46 save in the UK, which was the only place it was actually marketed Feb 07 01:37:03 and that baffled some Nokia people, too Feb 07 01:37:10 very Feb 07 01:37:22 So Nokia fucked up. Correct? Glad we agree. Feb 07 01:37:40 eh, I got what I wanted :) Feb 07 01:37:43 wow man, you're grasping for straws. Feb 07 01:37:49 i'm glad you agree with yourself so much :) Feb 07 01:38:01 TSCHAKeee: he's also stuffing words of agreement in our mouths :) Feb 07 01:38:07 yes Feb 07 01:38:16 he thinks he's a master of psychology Feb 07 01:38:18 The lowes of all blows is when they pretend the os is supported by the community... What a laughable load of crapola. Feb 07 01:38:44 ... Feb 07 01:38:57 it is actually Feb 07 01:39:03 always has been Feb 07 01:39:35 So i had to wait for some dude (no offence) to come up for an MMS application so that i could send pictures to my friends. Do you boys call that a fulfilled promise? Feb 07 01:39:48 I don't think nokia ever promised MMS support Feb 07 01:39:56 Ok...fair Feb 07 01:40:02 (and hearing how broken MMS is as a protocol, I'm glad they didn't.) Feb 07 01:40:02 the iPhone didn't have MMS support until much later..two years later. Feb 07 01:40:25 Nokia did not promise MMS support...somebody wanted it...so they wrotei t Feb 07 01:40:31 and did it in such a way it's actually very integrated Feb 07 01:41:04 I dont give (let me borrow from your dictionary) a "flying fuck" about the iphone. Lets stay on the subject of this chatboard please. Thanks. Feb 07 01:41:30 okay, so strike that sentence from my response Feb 07 01:41:33 my response is still valid Feb 07 01:41:40 next? :) Feb 07 01:41:41 Ok...fair Feb 07 01:42:33 Look Boys, all i am saying is after the maemo failure its easy to be a skeptic. Feb 07 01:42:48 maemo wasn't a failure Feb 07 01:42:55 Your opinion Feb 07 01:43:08 yes. Feb 07 01:43:10 Your opinion is in minority Feb 07 01:43:24 but also in fact that the majority of maemo lives on in MeeGo Core and Handset. Feb 07 01:44:21 The boggest disappointment was the supposed avaibility of apps. It was a myth. When you go to maemo repos 75% of apps are abandonware. Correct? Feb 07 01:44:37 *biggest Feb 07 01:44:51 how'd you come up with that 75% number? Feb 07 01:44:52 hm? Feb 07 01:44:58 community programmers write the software they want. Feb 07 01:45:03 Some half asses written apps forgot by their owners. Feb 07 01:45:09 Asses Feb 07 01:45:11 Assed Feb 07 01:45:15 there is nothing that says they have to keep on making new versions. Feb 07 01:45:16 Kooldude: so are you just moving to insult people now? Feb 07 01:45:27 How so? Feb 07 01:45:42 insulting people who have no obligation to you at all? Feb 07 01:45:51 key word "obligation" Feb 07 01:45:56 as in... they have no obligation Feb 07 01:46:08 the majority of said software is released under the GPL Feb 07 01:46:20 which disclaims warranty and obligation from the author. Feb 07 01:46:38 How will meego be different? How will big boys such as EA support this platform. How? How? I dont give a rats ass about an angry birds clone, shall we? Feb 07 01:46:52 Kooldude: you seem quite angry Feb 07 01:46:59 No Feb 07 01:47:16 Just asking relevant questions. Feb 07 01:47:17 and you /do/ sound like MeegoBoy Feb 07 01:47:19 * TSCHAKeee laughs profusely Feb 07 01:47:41 wmarone: i beg your pardon? Feb 07 01:47:54 Kooldude: maybe the maemo/meego platform just isn't what you are looking for? maybe you should turn to android or something else if you expect lots of apps :) Feb 07 01:47:55 I think its him, same style Feb 07 01:48:13 oh his phrasing and angle was a similarly demanding "explain it all to me, perfectly, right now or you're a failure" style Feb 07 01:48:45 wmarone: what do you mean? Feb 07 01:48:50 Raim: no reason MeeGo can't have lots of apps Feb 07 01:49:01 exactly, no reason at all Feb 07 01:49:25 but is it our responsibility to market this platform to software publishers? Feb 07 01:49:33 no. Feb 07 01:49:38 But you still didnt answer how you expect the big boys to jump on board. Feb 07 01:50:01 nokia dn intel arent 'big boys'? Feb 07 01:50:15 I am talking about publishers Feb 07 01:50:17 Kooldude: if handset makers roll with meego, they'll follow. porting to meego is easier than porting to wp7, at the very least :) Feb 07 01:50:27 Maybe Feb 07 01:50:44 wmarone: I agree, but his comparison was with current maemo. and right now, there aren't as many apps available. Feb 07 01:50:52 again, keep in mind, you're dealing with knowledgeable people in here, Kooldude Feb 07 01:51:10 Raim: ah, in that case I expect far more both in terms of community as well as commercial apps Feb 07 01:51:43 You keep referring to yourselves as knowledgable people. Great. Love ya boys. But.... So what???? Feb 07 01:51:46 Qt Creator makes it much easier to jump in than Gtk does :) Feb 07 01:52:02 also there are always a few dozen idealists who appreciate the openess of the platform much more than functionality ;) Feb 07 01:52:10 Qt is bloatware Feb 07 01:52:15 Raim: of course, which is why I still like using my N900 :) Feb 07 01:52:18 Bloatware creator Feb 07 01:52:27 Kooldude: are you a software developer? Feb 07 01:52:37 Kooldude: or have you developed software? Feb 07 01:52:44 Yes. With extensive experience and knowledge Feb 07 01:52:58 Can i give you an example? Feb 07 01:52:59 Kooldude: cool, we could use the help. Feb 07 01:53:07 Kooldude: please do Feb 07 01:54:24 The recently released "bubble" app for symbian was coded in qt and it 10 megs in size, 10 god damned megs in size for a pity little bubble app? That is unacceptable and is a recognized fear with developes i talk to. Feb 07 01:54:37 Trust me Feb 07 01:55:43 Kooldude: beats me as to why it's huge. but then, not every Qt app is 10MB in size (perhaps it has the qt libraries statically linked... who knows...) Feb 07 01:55:57 Its bloatware Feb 07 01:56:03 sigh Feb 07 01:56:10 i vote we just put this guy on /ignore. Feb 07 01:56:16 you insist that but I don't see your basis Feb 07 01:56:22 Care to explain mr tschakee? Feb 07 01:56:38 Kooldude: i'm still waiting for your software creds. Feb 07 01:56:42 ;) Feb 07 01:56:57 i've written a few Qt apps, they aren't very big unless you ship all the Qt libs with them Feb 07 01:57:45 Tschakee: your jaw would drop to the ground if you witnessed my work. Trust me. Feb 07 01:57:49 Kooldude: and before you bounce back at me, "What about you?" ... I would direct you to http://www.linuxmce.org/ ... the largest most comprehensive smart home system in existance. Feb 07 01:58:11 Cool. Feb 07 01:58:27 Kooldude: i've shown you mine..what about yours? ;) Feb 07 01:58:41 Kooldude: and you can't reveal your credentials because of privacy concerns of other people, right ? Feb 07 01:58:47 Good work tschakee... Respect man. Feb 07 02:00:02 No. I will not reveal my work because you know what? You lot would not believe it anyways and would laugh it off and that ugly word TROLL would come up again. Understand? Feb 07 02:00:14 * TSCHAKeee laughs. Feb 07 02:00:23 such a sad little boy, you are. Feb 07 02:00:28 i think the reason it probably another one :) Feb 07 02:00:35 Kooldude: right, so we're supposed to believe you without anything to back what you say up? Feb 07 02:01:00 * TSCHAKeee pats Kooldude on the head.. don't worry.. your testicles will drop, soon enough. Feb 07 02:01:19 man, that's the exact same tilt MeegoBoy took last time he was here ;) Feb 07 02:01:20 Let me put it this way. I was once in the upper echeleons of coding software at MS... We're talking extremely high level stuff. But it's all history now. Feb 07 02:01:32 and he keeps going Feb 07 02:01:52 Kooldude: so, I'm guessing you know Landon Dyer, then? Feb 07 02:02:03 Yes, keep on insulting me please. Feb 07 02:02:16 really? You were in the systems group? Feb 07 02:02:23 Kooldude: we simply don't believe you, and you've given us no reason to Feb 07 02:02:26 No, not systems Feb 07 02:02:39 Kooldude: how do you know Landon? Feb 07 02:03:09 BUT even though i have vast experience and knowledge in coding and programming lanuages i dont act as GOD Feb 07 02:03:27 Landon? Feb 07 02:04:08 I have written code little bit more complicated than what you folks would normally be accustomed to. Feb 07 02:04:31 oh sure Feb 07 02:04:55 ... Feb 07 02:05:00 sigh. Feb 07 02:05:00 May i ask you a question? Why would i come in here and lie? Whats the purpose? Think about it. Feb 07 02:05:14 I think its a habit Feb 07 02:05:22 sociopathy. Feb 07 02:05:23 Peace brothers. Chill out a little. Lifes too short. Feb 07 02:06:47 Funny how in the last 45 minutes or so i am yet to call you boys one single name. Not one. Yet i have heard all kinds of insults thrown at me SOCIOPATH, TROLL, SAD BOY...etc. Etc. Interesting no? Feb 07 02:07:10 not really Feb 07 02:09:44 I have to go now. Dont cry when i am gone because i shall return. i am the dark knight of the internet. Good night. Peace. Feb 07 02:11:03 * TSCHAKeee sniggers Feb 07 02:22:52 heh Feb 07 02:55:17 enna on meego on joggler, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByIR-YmVOgU **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 07 02:59:56 2011