**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 14 02:59:57 2011 Feb 14 07:15:58 is anyone here set up to compile ofono or can help me compile ofono? Feb 14 07:16:42 maybe ask at #ofono? Feb 14 07:18:02 jonwil: tried it on a laptop yet? Feb 14 07:27:29 * jonwil doesnt have a laptop :) Feb 14 07:27:50 Morning Feb 14 07:35:24 morn dneary_ Feb 14 07:42:13 Stskeeps, morn Feb 14 08:09:14 according to bobduffy tweet, tablet ux will be 'Should be onsite for download shortly' Feb 14 08:09:25 yeah, but in what for. Feb 14 08:09:25 mm Feb 14 08:15:47 so when will wmc2011 open today? Feb 14 08:15:53 local time Feb 14 08:17:15 hello there Feb 14 08:17:41 Intel MeeGo Tablet UX here: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/blog/2011/02/06/hands-meego-tablet-12-alpha-exopc Feb 14 08:18:14 sdfsfd Feb 14 08:18:42 jukka: i'm waiting to see if it gets contributed to meego 1.2 or not personally Feb 14 08:18:58 same here Feb 14 08:18:59 who is going to wmc 2011? Feb 14 08:19:20 it has to be contributed.. Feb 14 08:20:04 * dm8tbr wants to see that on his OMAP3 driven tablet :) Feb 14 08:21:13 I guess we are going to see phone UX as well from Intel Feb 14 08:21:48 it would be nice if they show a phone UX with the same ideas like Tablet UX Feb 14 08:22:17 for coherence between phones and tablets Feb 14 08:22:58 chouchoune: i'm more curious if it will build for ARM ;) Feb 14 08:23:52 yes, of course Feb 14 08:24:17 yes, a) do we get sources b) will it build for !intel_sse3 Feb 14 08:24:55 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/intel-promises-teases-meego-smartphone-and-tablet-for-mwc/ Feb 14 08:25:24 dm8tbr: if anything, i think it'll be easy to find volunteers to make it build on arm Feb 14 08:25:27 :P Feb 14 08:25:37 *nod* Feb 14 08:26:12 http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/blog/2011/02/09/intel-appup-developer-program-mobile-world-congress Feb 14 08:26:20 MeeGo 1.2 Tablet UX (pre-alpha - for developers) Feb 14 08:26:27 that sounds like releasing code Feb 14 08:26:39 chouchoune: or a image build.. Feb 14 08:26:52 pre-alpha, for developpers ? Feb 14 08:26:54 I hope we get that HW to MeeGo Summit FI Feb 14 08:27:12 I understand it as "for UX developpers" Feb 14 08:27:43 jukka_: supposedly it works on conference laptops Feb 14 08:32:05 Stskeeps: and that's probably where all the Netbook UX guys have been working for the last few months Feb 14 08:32:20 slaine: can't blame them.. Feb 14 08:34:04 nope Feb 14 08:34:29 As Jaffa pointed out though, it's yet more big reveal stuff Feb 14 08:34:33 hoped we'd passed that Feb 14 08:34:37 I guess we never will Feb 14 08:34:53 hi all Feb 14 08:34:54 I imagine we'll get a Tablet UX Day 1 around the 1.2 release Feb 14 08:34:59 sivang: hey ho Feb 14 08:35:09 hey slaine , what's news today? Feb 14 08:35:35 MWC, and Intel's new Tablet UX that none of us knew about Feb 14 08:35:36 http://j.mp/gvCUDu Feb 14 08:35:41 Feb 14 08:35:54 * javispedro is watching the pre3 at mwc Feb 14 08:35:58 slaine: their previous tablet ui has been a mockup Feb 14 08:36:02 is this one real? Feb 14 08:36:11 and moorning to you, javispedro Feb 14 08:36:22 morning gentleman Feb 14 08:36:32 *men Feb 14 08:36:55 morning javiF Feb 14 08:36:58 morning javispedro Feb 14 08:37:02 oups sorru Feb 14 08:37:07 y Feb 14 08:38:58 morning Feb 14 08:39:26 RST38h: looks "more real" Feb 14 08:39:37 follow the link Feb 14 08:40:49 doesn't look useable Feb 14 08:41:10 is the tablet UX image for S10-3t already available in public? Feb 14 08:41:25 slaine: so they did want to fix the tablet UX :) Feb 14 08:41:34 slaine: and they did- is it open source? Feb 14 08:42:04 Looks interesting Feb 14 08:42:05 * javispedro is watching pre3 at mwc Feb 14 08:42:21 sivang: it's not written and no code is available yet Feb 14 08:42:34 but supposedly they will release it as open source Feb 14 08:42:48 hmm Feb 14 08:43:00 at least they promote qt as appropriate as it seems: Feb 14 08:43:02 http://appdeveloper.intel.com/meego/ Feb 14 08:43:08 morning Feb 14 08:46:04 sivang: it doesn't look to be released yet Feb 14 08:46:29 around the corner though Feb 14 08:46:59 I expect we'll get a Tablet UX Day1 like we did for the Handset UX. i.e. it'll be developed internally to a point, big press event and then we'll get to work on it Feb 14 08:47:10 Probably targeted for 1.3 but Day 1 based on 1.2 Feb 14 08:47:14 educated guesses Feb 14 08:49:39 so wheres this tablet ux? Feb 14 08:50:36 javispedro: lol Feb 14 08:50:47 hey achipa :) Feb 14 08:50:59 hey sivang Feb 14 08:51:20 http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/blog/2011/02/06/hands-meego-tablet-12-alpha-exopc Feb 14 08:52:30 http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/article/amino-develops-smart-tv-product-three-times-faster-meego Feb 14 08:52:33 NICE :) Feb 14 08:52:52 isn't that an old article? Feb 14 08:54:00 so far all I've seen here live is the metab again Feb 14 08:54:04 *wetab Feb 14 08:54:38 Submitted by Bob Duffy on 13 Feb 2011 21:19:18 Feb 14 08:55:03 Does not necessarily say that it is not old though. Feb 14 08:55:07 Just the submit date Feb 14 08:57:10 dunno Feb 14 08:59:12 javispedro: you're in Barcelona ? Feb 14 09:01:58 javis: Will they rename it to Microsoft or to Elopsville now? =) Feb 14 09:07:35 chochoune: yes Feb 14 09:07:59 rst38: hardly, even the nokia booth is still with qt,qt and qt Feb 14 09:08:08 maybe next year Feb 14 09:08:37 nice illustrative story though sivang Feb 14 09:09:23 javispedroi, msqt.org Feb 14 09:12:44 * sivang checks mxr again Feb 14 09:13:05 javispedro: http://mxr.meego.com Feb 14 09:14:40 * sivang heads off to meego-bar Feb 14 09:18:41 hi does someone have actually an ide how to get N900 with meego running, we have tons of issues with that Feb 14 09:19:37 jbos: wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC Feb 14 09:21:26 hi, I needed help with qxmpp. Is anyone aware of it? Feb 14 09:26:01 yes Stskeeps, i rever to that Feb 14 09:26:14 but there are so many pitfalls Feb 14 09:26:19 ok, so Feb 14 09:26:28 easiest way, honestly: get pr1.3 for maemo. install uboot-pr13 Feb 14 09:26:30 we have two n900 Feb 14 09:26:43 write a SD card image with the meego n900 image (bunzip it) Feb 14 09:26:49 and put it in, reboot, keep back cover on Feb 14 09:27:03 have dualboot, put the stuff on it, we can boot one Feb 14 09:27:08 ok Feb 14 09:27:10 and make sure the little magnet is not lost Feb 14 09:27:14 but not the other (mmc root fs error) Feb 14 09:27:21 jbos: check the magnet Feb 14 09:27:27 it's under the kickstand Feb 14 09:27:31 which magnet? Feb 14 09:27:35 :O Feb 14 09:27:43 ok Feb 14 09:27:51 compare both units to see if it is missing Feb 14 09:28:11 so next thing is that we have trouble in getting usb network working Feb 14 09:28:21 if yes, replace with a piece of fridge magnet or so ;) Feb 14 09:28:30 our kernel / host identify the meego n900 MAC Adress as "incomplete" Feb 14 09:28:43 suse 11.2 Feb 14 09:29:03 switching to 11.3 as Feb 14 09:29:39 works, so we made this as bridge. but have trouble in keeping ssh alive when it comes to huge transfers Feb 14 09:29:40 dmesg output? (but then again I never used g_ether myself) Feb 14 09:30:13 (huge = ls on root Feb 14 09:32:28 so this pretty much sucks.. :) since we need to update to trunk Feb 14 09:32:39 jbos: just configure the usb net manuaally Feb 14 09:32:40 with ifconfig Feb 14 09:32:42 are there ready made n900 trunk images for n900 Feb 14 09:32:46 yes Feb 14 09:34:19 where can we find that Feb 14 09:34:23 Morning, all Feb 14 09:34:51 jbos: repo.meego.com Feb 14 09:35:09 morning guys Feb 14 09:35:12 what's up? Feb 14 09:35:56 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/ ? just contain the repo Feb 14 09:36:12 but no ready made images? Feb 14 09:36:33 there's weekly images Feb 14 09:36:51 is this weeks ready yet? last week wasn't that great ;) Feb 14 09:38:30 mhm so http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.2.20110208.4/ ? Feb 14 09:38:33 is it this? Feb 14 09:39:45 yeah that's last week's Feb 14 09:40:06 okay thanks, is there a list / info when this gets updated? Feb 14 09:40:55 there's a mailing list that get's this info Feb 14 09:41:43 I'd guess we'll get the next image tomorrow judging by the timestamps. Feb 14 09:42:03 you can always build an image yourself using the kickstart file mic2 and the daily repo Feb 14 10:21:42 * javispedro hears Nokia still sing the Qt tune at mwc Feb 14 10:22:12 the "three year ecosystem" talk.... has just lost a lot of meaning... Feb 14 10:24:28 javispedro: what is 3 year ecosystem? Feb 14 10:24:32 Intel's Tablet UX in a video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9yBigBW6c Feb 14 10:24:56 360 days after announcing MeeGo they announced their partnership with MS Feb 14 10:26:05 wait a minute, 360 days, xbox 360, microsoft, bastards Feb 14 10:26:35 chouchoune: do we know if it's oss yet? Feb 14 10:26:39 kkkkkkkkkk: either your very very racist or you have a sticky key Feb 14 10:26:51 you're* Feb 14 10:26:55 from my contact at MWC, They are having problems uploading it. Have been on the case this morning. Red tape. #MeeGo #tablet Feb 14 10:27:23 Venemo_N900: no, but Intel presents it as Meego tablet UX 1.2 Feb 14 10:27:25 chouchoune: omg, one can even fast forward video Feb 14 10:27:54 chouchoune: so it's closed? great! Feb 14 10:28:07 av500: yeah, that's new ;p Feb 14 10:28:14 closed ? I think they will release the code Feb 14 10:28:33 but let's wait until that Feb 14 10:28:39 chouchoune: i hope so Feb 14 10:29:20 they call it pre-alpha, developper release, for me that means that they release it for UX developpers Feb 14 10:29:24 but let's see Feb 14 10:29:44 :) Feb 14 10:30:07 yea that would be awesome Feb 14 10:30:09 :D Feb 14 10:30:09 Venemo_N900, so far they havent done a single closed UX Feb 14 10:30:19 and they've said it works on the lenovo S10-3t :-) Feb 14 10:30:49 and I don't see the point for Intel to release a closed UX Feb 14 10:30:58 for Nokia it would have been relevant Feb 14 10:31:08 but Intel wants manufactures to pick it up Feb 14 10:31:12 so it has to be open Feb 14 10:31:29 arfoll: yet noone's seen the code for tablet ux Feb 14 10:31:49 Venemo_N900, want to bet a beer on it? Feb 14 10:31:59 a sdk installs, hmm.. Feb 14 10:32:11 arfoll: no. I also hope they'll open it soon Feb 14 10:32:11 I'm in for the bet, on the open source side ;) Feb 14 10:32:32 "I have offended God and mankind because my work didn't reach the quality it should have " - - Last words Leonardo da Vinci Feb 14 10:32:44 i'm sure on #microsoft someone would bet me a beer ;-) Feb 14 10:32:58 so wheres that UI I want to touch it! Feb 14 10:33:21 javispedro: Meego booth I guess Feb 14 10:33:35 theres 3 intel booths Feb 14 10:33:46 Meego's Intel booth ;) Feb 14 10:34:00 or maybe ExoPC as it's on an ExoPC ;) Feb 14 10:34:14 so has mwc opened? i'm not finding anything about it on technology blogs :( Feb 14 10:34:35 ukas: yes, this morning Feb 14 10:34:49 can you buy this exopc already` Feb 14 10:34:55 No idea Feb 14 10:35:00 it works on WeTab Feb 14 10:35:05 and you can buy Wetab Feb 14 10:35:40 nokia says they sell 14 phones per second =) Feb 14 10:37:22 and how many are returner per second? Feb 14 10:37:26 :) Feb 14 10:38:50 http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-iso-esla <- oh come on Feb 14 10:39:05 so no news about meego-harmattan? Feb 14 10:39:12 what the Feb 14 10:39:34 Stskeeps, and an iso? Feb 14 10:39:53 arfoll: shouldn't matter too much Feb 14 10:40:18 Stskeeps: More big reveal crap. Feb 14 10:40:34 Stskeeps: MeeGo's only choice is "ecosystem in a box" and an openness USP. Feb 14 10:40:35 Jaffa: then again, the big reveal comes at a handy time Feb 14 10:41:07 and I'm at work too :(. Joggler later Feb 14 10:41:24 Stskeeps: big reveal? Feb 14 10:41:31 nokia or intel? Feb 14 10:41:32 Stskeeps: Perhaps, but also shows that Intel is becoming MeeGo's Google. Here's a code dump for the next release/future. Feb 14 10:41:33 * thiago has just had a flawless 40-minute international call on his nokia meego prototype Feb 14 10:41:53 thiago: The cancelled one or the one which actually should get released? ;-) Feb 14 10:41:56 http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/fujitsu-unveils-worlds-first-meego-netbook-world-barely-notice/ Feb 14 10:42:02 thiago: while playing angry birds? Feb 14 10:42:26 av500: not playing angry birds, but skype chats and email syncing in the background Feb 14 10:51:19 Jaffa: just a maemo thought.... do we bother putting Harmattan on the OBS or just redo the autobuilder Feb 14 10:51:54 evaluation?? Feb 14 10:52:01 lbt: I suspect Nokia'll be reducing maemo.org costs further. Having a more sane and reproducible infrastructure would be good. Feb 14 10:52:22 Jaffa: do we have harmattan? isn't it a closed nokia product? Feb 14 10:53:22 Stskeeps: has it become a shareware? Feb 14 10:53:23 :) Feb 14 10:53:31 I know Tero and Niels are looking into it - just wanted to think about it from a maemo PoV too. Feb 14 10:54:05 hey lardman Feb 14 10:54:14 hi CosmoHill Feb 14 10:54:16 anyhow... not a very coherent thought.... maybe l8r Feb 14 10:54:24 is there anyone left believing there will be meego smart-phone available or let's better go to the webos shop? Feb 14 10:54:40 gour: #meego-bar for chitchat Feb 14 10:54:41 well apparently there will be something this year... Feb 14 10:54:45 thiago: maemo already does this :) including angry birds Feb 14 10:54:52 ooh. qml based tablet ui Feb 14 10:54:55 lbt: do they serve drinks before 11? Feb 14 10:55:14 lardman: yep ... follow the sun licensing hours Feb 14 10:55:19 :) Feb 14 10:55:45 lbt: Because #meego is so busy with functional chat? ;-p Feb 14 10:55:54 :P Feb 14 10:56:03 'cos I can't be arsed with it :) Feb 14 10:56:07 so i just download that iso and fire up virtualbox...? Feb 14 10:56:28 mr neary! Feb 14 10:56:34 lbt: i'v tried it, but do not consider it's topic for chitchat...maybe that's problem with meego Feb 14 10:56:48 dneary_: how do I get 'delete page' on the wiki Feb 14 10:57:18 lbt, You ask me or anyone else who's a sysop, and if you've done good wiki work we add the permissions Feb 14 10:57:34 * lbt begs and pleads Feb 14 10:57:51 fais chier des travaux pas d eau chaude Feb 14 10:57:58 oh sorry wrong win Feb 14 10:58:05 lbt: http://wiki.meego.com/Category:Die_die_die Feb 14 10:58:57 timoph: hmph ... clearly *someone* needs to kill some pages Feb 14 10:59:05 yep :) Feb 14 11:00:17 lbt: so we have a massive hit list but no assassins? Feb 14 11:00:27 sounds like Feb 14 11:01:05 why do people add them to the list instead of deleting them themselfs? Feb 14 11:01:21 delete is a special right Feb 14 11:01:24 regular user can't delete pages Feb 14 11:01:30 oh I see Feb 14 11:02:37 I'm assuming you two can't? Feb 14 11:04:38 just add the pages to german wikipedia, they will be deleted in no time.... Feb 14 11:04:41 * timeless pokes lbt Feb 14 11:05:16 lbt: if you'd like I could hack my way through some when I have spare time Feb 14 11:05:39 ZTE (Chinese phone mfr) has expressed some early interest in Meego, but at this point purely very early R&D project. Feb 14 11:05:51 MurmurOR: oh, didn't know that Feb 14 11:06:01 Right from MWC news Feb 14 11:06:15 All the ZTE phones I have seen have been junk Feb 14 11:06:25 heh Feb 14 11:06:48 "warning, copying folder "VISTA_SP1" may harm your computer, do you wish to continue?" Feb 14 11:07:09 * timeless pokes lbt Feb 14 11:07:27 MurmurOR: very nice Feb 14 11:08:19 At this time thought ZTE is 99,9% Android house, so it might not materialize anything. Feb 14 11:09:25 timeless: hey Feb 14 11:09:45 so jebba is a prick Feb 14 11:09:57 i don't really care Feb 14 11:10:06 he made an investment and a contribution Feb 14 11:10:30 you guys made a promise months ago, @dublin Feb 14 11:10:34 then he had a tantrum because *I* didn't spend *MY* volunteer time on *HIS* issues Feb 14 11:10:56 sorry for not having unlimited bandwidth Feb 14 11:11:27 now please fix that redirect Feb 14 11:11:51 he also gave us a 'deadline' of 8 weeks and had another tantrum after 1 week Feb 14 11:11:53 i have no control over it Feb 14 11:12:25 well. This kind of shit shows why people have issues trusting 'community' members .... Feb 14 11:12:32 clever Feb 14 11:12:43 (sorry for swearing) Feb 14 11:12:57 timeless: just let him vent Feb 14 11:12:59 lbt: looks like a reason to remove dns record/mod it Feb 14 11:13:14 kinda done last night Feb 14 11:13:32 but we are still working through basic issues like managing DNS effectively Feb 14 11:13:39 Is new hosting still needed, or is that already settled? Feb 14 11:13:42 let alone taking on more services Feb 14 11:14:50 jrayhawk: are you volunteering? Feb 14 11:15:36 Probably. It might take me a bit to get *more* than 100 gigabytes ready, but I can probably get that much. Feb 14 11:15:43 jrayhawk: won't happen Feb 14 11:15:59 how can we take you up on it when this is what happened last time ? Feb 14 11:16:00 for crying out loud, a 500gb server in webtopia costs 25EU per month Feb 14 11:16:06 with almost unlimited bandwidth Feb 14 11:16:52 sivang, that unlimited bandwidth will be throttled I am sure Feb 14 11:16:58 Gosh, why does anybody bother trying to do anything when risk of failure exists? Feb 14 11:16:59 jrayhawk: sadly 100gb is a bare minimum, that's what is used currently and it's fully used, preventing me from staging updates or anything Feb 14 11:17:00 mikhas: better than nothing Feb 14 11:17:01 once you reach a magic limit Feb 14 11:17:06 sivang: sure... and without control I'm just glad a .meego.com site doesn't redirect to goatse Feb 14 11:17:18 lbt: you control it if you pay it :) Feb 14 11:17:25 anyway, /me fetches the link Feb 14 11:17:28 although it might be preferable to microsoft Feb 14 11:17:38 Hmm. I guess I could reshape that array and get another 500 gigs. Feb 14 11:18:14 sivang: you know this and I know this ... but we have corporate overlord/sponsors who are not capable Feb 14 11:18:36 lbt: I see. /me stops fetching the link Feb 14 11:20:11 * timeless grumbles Feb 14 11:20:16 who scheduled a meeting for lunch? Feb 14 11:21:40 timeless: so mxr is a fairly huge resource hog with limited community demand. I *would* like to make it happen but it's low on the list. Feb 14 11:22:29 lbt: so, can you outline what's needed/missing? Feb 14 11:22:49 i was under the impression @dublin that you had physical storage available Feb 14 11:22:55 and some amount of bandwidth Feb 14 11:24:15 cpu load and general runtime bandwidth are a function of general use, more users, more load Feb 14 11:26:44 also, do you have an actual list in priority order of tasks and what's blocking them? Feb 14 11:27:00 timeless: yes, we have physical storage.... do we have a backup strategy, capacity planning and the rest of it? Feb 14 11:27:02 no. Feb 14 11:27:27 we're meeting in a week for a week to plan this out.... migrating all the main web services to OSU was our priority Feb 14 11:27:37 where are they now? Feb 14 11:27:38 of course things are now even less clear Feb 14 11:27:53 they were at an ISP.. they're now mainly at OSU Feb 14 11:28:12 i'd personally be willing to delay the backup strategy for mxr. since it's generally easier to build from scratch Feb 14 11:28:15 lbt, Sorry - I changed windows straight after, didn't see a ping, didn't realise you'd replied Feb 14 11:28:26 lbt: Name prefixes are really useful :) Feb 14 11:28:30 dneary_: :) Feb 14 11:28:50 lbt, No time right now, let me look at your contributions after lunch. What pages do you want to delete? Feb 14 11:30:46 dneary_: a LOT of them Feb 14 11:31:00 dneary_: http://wiki.meego.com/Category:Die_die_die Feb 14 11:31:21 CosmoHill, Yeah - the Die die die category is a good way to mark them Feb 14 11:31:31 I should sick the Sysops on that list Feb 14 11:31:42 * lbt looks at dneary_ ... "let me look at your contributions after lunch" ..... OK.... Feb 14 11:32:12 dneary_: you could promote a couple of people to have delete privs ;-) Feb 14 11:32:39 lbt, Specifically wiki stuff Feb 14 11:33:41 >.> Feb 14 11:33:42 lbt, I am not questioning your contribution outside the wiki... but sysop has some power to damage stuff, so it's normal to ensure that the person is active in the wiki & understands how mediawiki works, etc Feb 14 11:33:53 uh huh Feb 14 11:34:07 Just want to avoid any accidental irreversible bad stuff Feb 14 11:34:16 lbt, Is that an ironic uh huh? Feb 14 11:34:22 * lbt notes he has root to the server the wiki runs on Feb 14 11:34:37 so yeah Feb 14 11:34:41 CosmoHill: do we have Wesley Crusher in that category? Feb 14 11:34:42 (and I know) Feb 14 11:34:49 no idea Feb 14 11:35:20 lbt, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team#Wiki_sysops is the list of sysops, by the way Feb 14 11:35:47 maemo ? Feb 14 11:35:56 lbt, And don't take it badly, please... if you have root you could give yourself sysop privileges via the mysql client ;) Feb 14 11:36:04 lbt, Isn't that what we're talking abouot? Feb 14 11:36:06 I'd never do that Feb 14 11:36:09 no meego Feb 14 11:36:17 * lbt checks channel Feb 14 11:36:20 Ah Feb 14 11:36:23 :) Feb 14 11:36:38 Since giving sysop to people was something I talked about in meego this week Feb 14 11:36:46 s/meego/maemo Feb 14 11:36:50 lbt: s/no meego/no, meego/ Feb 14 11:37:03 you people are confusing me Feb 14 11:37:35 So now I need to figure out what the meego process is (esp. since I came late to the MeeGo sysop party - I may have to clear it with other sysops) Feb 14 11:37:57 lbt, I would appreciate you running a mysql query for me on the meego wiki DB Feb 14 11:38:00 OK ... I want to tidy up http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure Feb 14 11:39:39 lbt, Basically, I'd like to get a list of MeeGo sysops Feb 14 11:39:59 lbt: is there a similar page for the meego wiki? Feb 14 11:40:26 ok Feb 14 11:40:48 mysql -h -u -p mediawiki -e "select u.user_name,u.user_real_name from mw_user as u,mw_user_groups as g where u.user_id=g.ug_user and g.ug_group='sysop';" Feb 14 11:41:12 my advise would be to use -p and not -p Feb 14 11:41:31 that way it will ask you for your password instead of storying it in .bash_history Feb 14 11:41:34 I'm assuming that the wiki database is called the default "mediawiki" and that the table prefixes are the defauls "mw_" Feb 14 11:41:57 CosmoHill, Correct - I was short-handing Feb 14 11:42:56 CosmoHill: and instead of showing it in `ps` :) Feb 14 11:43:06 lbt, There is no way to get that list through the wiki, as far as I know Feb 14 11:43:07 timeless: oh my Feb 14 11:43:13 ok Feb 14 11:43:29 CosmoHill: on most platforms the ps table is public Feb 14 11:43:38 (exceptions include solaris zones) Feb 14 11:45:47 lbt, I'll use you as a test case & set up a new lightweight process - document who the sysops are, and how you become one. Feb 14 11:46:09 lbt, Sorry if this is inconvenient for you right now, but it'll be better for everyone longer term Feb 14 11:46:51 no probs ... sensible approach Feb 14 11:46:57 it's what I'm doing with the OBS Feb 14 11:54:16 mxr.meego.com - CONGRATS :-( Feb 14 11:54:26 haha Feb 14 11:54:31 DocScrutinizer: are you trolling? Feb 14 11:54:41 I see the DNS hasn't been fixed yet Feb 14 11:54:44 nah, I'm not even here Feb 14 11:54:52 DocScrutinizer: i think jebba just set back any trust in volunteers giving server space a year :) Feb 14 11:54:53 or at least not filtered down to openDNS Feb 14 11:55:15 jebba has cocked it up for the rest of us Feb 14 11:55:15 :( Feb 14 12:05:22 saw the tablet ux! Feb 14 12:05:26 quite nice Feb 14 12:05:32 would there be some kind of background check, such as talking to member's of other communities where the candidate has worked / contributed Feb 14 12:06:01 no commentsw about release dates or oss though Feb 14 12:06:29 is MeeGo usable on an N900 yet? I mean, is it usable as a phone? Feb 14 12:06:32 javispedro: i'd say rather soon since license headers are in place Feb 14 12:06:39 pekuja: yes, you can make phonecalls Feb 14 12:06:44 cool Feb 14 12:06:49 for 4h Feb 14 12:06:57 yeah? horrible battery life? Feb 14 12:07:20 it installs into a dual-boot setup, right? Feb 14 12:07:36 pekuja: you can set it up like that Feb 14 12:07:38 pekuja: yes, just turn it off and remove the MeeGo SD card Feb 14 12:08:03 pekuja: needless to say, it's not a end-user product Feb 14 12:08:59 CosmoHill: uBoot menu doesn't work? Feb 14 12:09:22 no idea, the video I saw he just removed the card and booted meamo Feb 14 12:09:25 CosmoHill, you could just ask his mum to write a letter. Feb 14 12:09:45 Stskeeps: sure. some might argue that the default OS isn't either ;-D Feb 14 12:16:12 Stskeeps: j/k, but mostly I just mean that from the looks of it, MeeGo looks a lot more user friendly than Maemo Feb 14 12:18:38 pekuja: Last time I used MeeGo Handset it was a lot less user friendly than Maemo 5, and that's excluding things like UI lag and random scroll events Feb 14 12:19:27 right, ok Feb 14 12:20:07 I'm mostly just judging it by screenshots, so I may be completely off base :-/ Feb 14 12:20:15 that's why I need to get it installed, of course :-P Feb 14 12:42:06 good afternoon fellas Feb 14 12:43:36 downloaded the tablet UX preview, seems interesting Feb 14 12:43:48 though I have to clear up my IdeaPad before trying it out Feb 14 12:48:03 ZTE investing r&d for meego Feb 14 12:48:19 ZTE? Feb 14 12:48:40 (imagine I know nothing) Feb 14 12:48:45 ... in fact, don't imagine. Feb 14 12:49:07 big chinese smartphone company Feb 14 12:49:16 (well it has other products also) Feb 14 12:49:29 yeah Feb 14 12:49:56 decent phones with cheap pricetag Feb 14 12:49:57 penetrated finnish smartphone sector last summer with cheap androids Feb 14 12:49:59 I was to Verkkokauppa today, ZTE seems to be selling crazy cheap Android stuff Feb 14 12:50:13 they do Feb 14 12:50:16 wouldn't be too bad to have very cheap MeeGo phones out :-) Feb 14 12:50:27 http://www.kauppalehti.fi/5/i/talous/uutiset/etusivu/uutinen.jsp?oid=20110260471 Feb 14 12:50:33 (in finnish, sorry) Feb 14 12:50:44 zte blade is around 200e Feb 14 12:51:30 and the android tablet was around 350e Feb 14 12:51:45 hmm, Engadget doesn't seem convinced of the tablet UX yet: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/intel-shows-off-more-of-its-meego-tablet-ui-still-needs-lots-of/ Feb 14 12:52:06 bergie: "it's not ipad"? Feb 14 12:53:07 they say it isn't "even Android" ;-) Feb 14 12:53:20 but well, I have the ISO, have to try it on the IdeaPad later this week Feb 14 12:53:31 maybe for the MeeGo meetup on Wednesday Feb 14 12:54:31 bergie: we'll try to prepare one ideapad for tomorrow's Tampere meetup Feb 14 12:54:43 with tablet ux Feb 14 12:54:46 cool Feb 14 12:54:50 let me know how it goes Feb 14 12:54:56 we will Feb 14 12:55:22 the problem is, since the hard drive on my laptop died, I'm using the ideapad for work Feb 14 12:55:29 so I need to go and buy a new machine first ;-) Feb 14 12:55:38 bergie: oh, ok :) Feb 14 12:56:39 smoinen: can you post to this thread once you've tried it? http://www.qaiku.com/go/asdx/ Feb 14 12:57:56 bergie: i'll try to remmber. kyb3R is working on installing it atm. Feb 14 13:01:35 * ahiemstra is running intel's tablet ux on an ideapad Feb 14 13:01:45 and i must say, I'm quite impressed Feb 14 13:03:56 ahiemstra: cool, wish I had one :) Feb 14 13:04:02 ahiemstra: could you post something to a blog or the forum? Feb 14 13:04:43 bergie: probably Feb 14 13:04:53 what did you have in mind? Feb 14 13:04:54 alterego, if I had means to send you one I would. Feb 14 13:05:01 :) Feb 14 13:05:13 :) Feb 14 13:05:18 lcuk: I hear it's got QML candy bars! :D Feb 14 13:06:27 ahiemstra: would be nice to hear some real-world experiences and see more screenshots. Especially how it compares to the (now dead?) netbook UX Feb 14 13:07:00 also, is it smart enough to use on-screen keyboard when the ideapad is in tablet mode, but hardware keyboard when in laptop mode Feb 14 13:08:10 bah, yesterdays handset ux image is not booting Feb 14 13:08:16 bergie: now dead? Feb 14 13:08:26 it is really a tablet ux, so it will always show the virtual keyboard Feb 14 13:08:42 ahiemstra: it is using input method from meego handset, so that's flaggable Feb 14 13:09:19 also, it seems to be lacking drivers for the standard intel gfx chip Feb 14 13:09:42 ahiemstra, even a real tablet UX should try to account for hw keyboards! Feb 14 13:09:52 ahiemstra: there are tablets with hardware keyboards, check out for example http://liliputing.com/2011/01/hands-on-with-the-asus-eee-pad-slider.html Feb 14 13:10:09 bergie: true Feb 14 13:10:19 the n810/n900 also Feb 14 13:10:53 it is meant to be a "developer preview" so I'm guessing its one of these things they haven't touched yet Feb 14 13:11:02 * lbt notes that he's even heard of USB keyboards! Feb 14 13:11:30 lbt: they're also selling lots of bluetooth keyboard accessories for iPad Feb 14 13:11:51 lbt, whats a "USB" and where is the ps/2 slot on my tablet? Feb 14 13:11:52 yep .. another case Feb 14 13:12:14 lcuk: heh ... I have that problem for real on desktop motherboards... Feb 14 13:12:24 i have a few converters here Feb 14 13:13:04 heh Feb 14 13:13:05 i once had to daisy chain from the big DIN connector to PS/2 to inline remote control to keyboard Feb 14 13:13:11 converters rarely work anymore Feb 14 13:13:24 all keyboards used to be compliant.. >_< Feb 14 13:13:53 woo ... fixed my stupid kerberos problem Feb 14 13:13:58 Dijit, it was not that they were compliant, it was that they were too heavy to carry back to the shop Feb 14 13:14:02 you can get "real" converters that don't require hardware support from the keyboard. Feb 14 13:14:07 hahaha Feb 14 13:14:14 true Feb 14 13:14:25 but USB keyboards have to be polled by the CPU Feb 14 13:14:50 so, they actually degrade performance (although I think it's so minimal you never notice) Feb 14 13:15:00 i believe they don't. where do you have that information from? Feb 14 13:15:14 at least they are polled over the USB bus Feb 14 13:15:17 studying USB devices at university Feb 14 13:15:24 has anyone been testing handset on pinetrail images? Feb 14 13:15:30 usb hardware surely has an interrupt to tell the cpu that something happened. only then does the cpu have to "poll" the keyboard. Feb 14 13:15:34 I just booted one and got no further than X11 Feb 14 13:15:43 * lcuk goes filing bugs Feb 14 13:16:05 i can imagine the usb protocol working by polling. usb heavily relies on the host. Feb 14 13:16:16 hi, I'm trying to build a project using the MeeGo SDK with meego-core-armv7l-trunk target Feb 14 13:16:18 maelcum: yep that's for sure Feb 14 13:16:38 is it possible to install additional libraries inside this target? Feb 14 13:16:54 I need TelepathyQt4 to build my project Feb 14 13:17:01 Dijit: any idea how to find the function in linux that does the polling? Feb 14 13:18:38 not a clue Feb 14 13:19:34 it'll be bundled in the HID stuff Feb 14 13:19:39 0 bugs filed against images from 20110211 Feb 14 13:23:31 if the tablet ux thing is an ISO, how do you put it onto your ideapad? Don't you need a CD/DVD for that? Feb 14 13:23:42 lcuk: possibly you can just boot it Feb 14 13:23:49 You do not put it onto your Ideapad Feb 14 13:23:59 You put it onto a tablet. Feb 14 13:24:14 RST38h: actually they list the lenovo as a target Feb 14 13:24:17 do they mostly have DVD drives now? Feb 14 13:24:39 Stskeeps: =) Feb 14 13:25:11 I would then try burning it to a CDROM and seeing what is there Feb 14 13:25:45 I looked carefully all around my ideapad and I did not see a DVD or CD rom slot anywhere! Feb 14 13:25:48 make sure burning to CD does not violate the intel EULA Feb 14 13:25:52 should I file a bug? Feb 14 13:25:56 can't boot it in virtualbox, complains about something something intel 915 blah is needed Feb 14 13:26:17 lcuk: the .iso should be the typical hybrid MeeGo image - copy onto an USB stick and boot from that. Feb 14 13:26:23 You should start by finding a Windows PC with a CDROM and burning that .iso to a disk Feb 14 13:27:23 "Windows PC" :) Feb 14 13:27:35 RST38h, how then do you boot from it? do you wave the CD infront of the camera or something? Feb 14 13:27:39 or, using dd.. Feb 14 13:28:06 dd if= of= bs=512k Feb 14 13:28:12 (as root ofc) Feb 14 13:28:42 lcuk: I do not know, depends on what is on that CD Feb 14 13:28:57 I've not used a CD for any installation for a long time. Feb 14 13:29:28 pohly, indeed, however I thought ISO was specifically a disk image from optical media, if it is a standard one that can be used as Dijit said that is cool Feb 14 13:30:08 lcuk: its an iso, but you can just put it on a usb stick to boot from Feb 14 13:31:00 ISO is binary disk format Feb 14 13:31:22 Hi-looking those like me who can take contact with one of the fastest Meego? Feb 14 13:31:30 I wouldn't do the dd as root, though. Much to risky to wipe out your hard disk by accident. Modern Linux desktops make USB sticks read/writable to the current user, so dd as normal user instead. Feb 14 13:31:43 not at block level Feb 14 13:32:00 ß Feb 14 13:32:01 they mount the filesystem as the user. Feb 14 13:32:17 well.. they make it available to the user Feb 14 13:32:25 but to gain block level access you need to be root. Feb 14 13:32:29 can someone help me to install additional libraries (e.g. TelepathyQt4) inside a MeeGo target? Feb 14 13:32:31 pohly: you can't do dd as non-root Feb 14 13:32:34 just make sure you know which disk is the target Feb 14 13:32:40 !!!!!! Hi-looking those like me who can take contact with one of the fastest Meego? Feb 14 13:32:56 Manuel_: please restructure your sentence Feb 14 13:33:26 schoenemann: I'd love to help, but I don't know how to do that either Feb 14 13:33:45 for Netbook/Handset UXes for installation of images to USB keys Feb 14 13:33:45 have you asked almighty google? Feb 14 13:34:04 there is a great piece of software called "image-writer" Feb 14 13:34:25 it checks specfic usb mounts and confirms and proceeds nicely Feb 14 13:34:35 for in windows to write the iso to a usb stick Feb 14 13:34:56 its available here: http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook Feb 14 13:35:01 ahiemstra: not true, I have done it. The GNOME desktop on Debian makes /dev/sdb writable for the current user. Feb 14 13:35:34 pohly: on block level? I would consider that a security error tbh Feb 14 13:35:43 http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-netbook/windows-instructions Feb 14 13:35:43 as would I. 0_o Feb 14 13:35:48 Dijit: yes. already asked google but I couldn't find an answer Feb 14 13:36:15 ahiemstra: why? I find it a useful default. Of course, real disks are not writable. Feb 14 13:36:32 "real" disks are USB disks too. Feb 14 13:36:38 yeah Feb 14 13:37:52 pohly: do you have gtk-recordmydesktop? Feb 14 13:38:17 External USB disks are also writable. SATA disks are not - that's what I mean with "real". I don't know how configurable this behavior is, but as I said, I find it useful. Feb 14 13:38:18 because if this is true.. then I'm going to be having words with meego's debian loving developers Feb 14 13:38:21 Dijit: no. Feb 14 13:38:43 Dijit: what does that have to do with MeeGo? Feb 14 13:38:44 hm Feb 14 13:40:58 sec, I'm going to see if someone can do this; Feb 14 13:40:58 brb Feb 14 13:42:54 pohly: you are mistaken Feb 14 13:43:06 debian doesn't give block access to users Feb 14 13:43:54 Dijit: well, my installation does. Feb 14 13:44:11 I don't think I customized that myself. Feb 14 13:44:16 pohly: perhaps you mean /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdb2 etc Feb 14 13:44:33 or rather filesystems mounted on them Feb 14 13:44:53 a desktop doesn't do anything with a block device Feb 14 13:44:53 pupnik: I just checked on aapi's debian machine Feb 14 13:45:04 no access to /dev/sdc or /dev/sdc1 Feb 14 13:45:22 yes, i think it was just a misunderstanding Feb 14 13:45:25 only mounted filesystems- and only where they're mounted Feb 14 13:45:29 ah Feb 14 13:45:30 ok Feb 14 13:45:52 pubnik: do you really think I don't know the difference between /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1? ;-} I've written enough of these .iso images to last me life time, and I'm not doing it as root here. Feb 14 13:46:26 brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 16 Feb 13 20:24 /dev/sdb Feb 14 13:47:15 hey guys, i try to use cmake on qtcreator Feb 14 13:47:44 how do i need to setup qtcreator to use cmake with my arm target and such? Feb 14 13:48:00 pubnik: rw for group "floppy" does the trick. For fixed disks it is "disk". Not sure whether the default user is part of floppy, though. This might be a part that I changed for my account. Feb 14 13:50:03 pohly: it appears users get added to group floppy by default, but not group 'disk' Feb 14 13:50:37 this seems to be a reasonable default to me Feb 14 14:05:29 heh, I love this laptop, but it hates linux Feb 14 14:06:18 no fingerprint reader support, no display driver. Feb 14 14:06:21 QT work insofar as to bring Meego to market, but no porting efforts.. Feb 14 14:08:36 robthoms, ? Feb 14 14:09:39 lcuk, in a confcall.. mostly internal stuff, but that (unsurprising) snippet. Feb 14 14:17:17 \o Feb 14 14:20:46 I'm seeing pictures og an intel tablet and phone with meego headlines. what's been shown? (been away all day) Feb 14 14:20:54 tablet ux Feb 14 14:24:57 * RST38h Wonders whether that .sio image will boot on a core i7 laptop, from USB Feb 14 14:25:00 Stskeeps, checking a youtube widget atm. is the ux closed source? Feb 14 14:25:20 Mece: doesn't look like it but it's not in meego trunk yet Feb 14 14:25:26 Mece: license files on qml says apache license Feb 14 14:26:40 it's a qml ui? Feb 14 14:26:44 yeah Feb 14 14:27:26 Stskeeps, the panel view looks alot like my Tweed Suit app :) Feb 14 14:27:55 Stskeeps: Engadget clowns already hate it :) Feb 14 14:28:13 is it a wetab they show it on? Feb 14 14:28:29 RST38h: engadget hates a lot of things Feb 14 14:28:46 \quit bye Feb 14 14:28:51 guh Feb 14 14:28:52 IMHO it is way different from the flashy colorful demos Feb 14 14:28:57 why does that never work on freenode. Feb 14 14:29:01 this one was clearly real though. Feb 14 14:29:03 RST38h, it didn't look super smooth on the video, so I immediately figured ipadites would hate it. Feb 14 14:29:08 \quit ... Feb 14 14:29:17 Well, it is a pre-alpha Feb 14 14:29:21 Mece: it was very snappy actually, but not flashy Feb 14 14:29:22 digit, try forwardslash? eh? Feb 14 14:29:29 And QML is not exactly the most efficient framework Feb 14 14:29:41 javispedro, it looks very nice imo. Feb 14 14:29:53 I couldn't but feel it was like a unthemed gtk app =) Feb 14 14:30:34 javispedro, some bits looked very unfinished. Feb 14 14:30:44 I also liked that it seems like the most useful one Feb 14 14:30:49 hey Feb 14 14:30:52 from all the UIs I've seen on mwc... Feb 14 14:30:56 ty Feb 14 14:30:57 any news? Feb 14 14:31:04 the Android guys were also crazy showing the 3.0 tablet ui Feb 14 14:31:20 I've just tried it on an ideapad. and imo it is the most useful one Feb 14 14:31:25 javispedro, what do you mean? Feb 14 14:31:39 there's certainly some unpolished bits Feb 14 14:31:42 ahiemstra: so it's open now? Feb 14 14:31:52 Mece: that it was mostly content, your content on the interface. Feb 14 14:31:52 ahiemstra, can anyone dl it? from where? Feb 14 14:31:56 Venemo_N900: no, but there's an iso available Feb 14 14:32:03 not crap, like a big, space wasting giant flashy clock like most of the other UIs Feb 14 14:32:14 ahiemstra: mhm Feb 14 14:32:19 Mece: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-iso-esla Feb 14 14:32:55 will that run under qemu? Feb 14 14:33:18 gaah, and it's qml? WANT! Feb 14 14:33:52 I mean.. you can just edit anything on that thing strght away.. Feb 14 14:34:11 very light too, I hear Feb 14 14:34:12 pohly: no clue, but unlikely Feb 14 14:35:29 so, why not use that on the phone? we could strip down some of the heaviest stuff Feb 14 14:36:02 by we I mean I or "one" Feb 14 14:36:12 is that something intel released today? Feb 14 14:36:36 * Mece has no idea, he has been on work business in estonia today Feb 14 14:37:00 ahf: sort of Feb 14 14:37:04 ahiemstra: cool Feb 14 14:37:06 its a "developer preview" Feb 14 14:37:14 my motivation today at work isn't uber high Feb 14 14:37:25 * ahf will give it a spin Feb 14 14:37:53 when i get home though. don't have any fancy pancy virtualization stuff here Feb 14 14:38:00 ahiemstra, the best kind of preview! Feb 14 14:38:55 hi all Feb 14 14:39:05 Creteil, o/ Feb 14 14:39:29 ahf: I don't know if it works on a vm Feb 14 14:39:39 someone know when I go to http://meego.com I was asked many time for login/passwd ? Feb 14 14:39:43 it seems to be tied to specific cpu's Feb 14 14:39:59 I'm using iceape ... Feb 14 14:40:38 What invokes the playing of the ring tone in handset? Feb 14 14:40:39 s/someone know when I go/someone know WHY when I go/ Feb 14 14:45:26 ahiemstra, well, understandable. can you take bits of something with apache license? Feb 14 14:45:53 I don't see why not? Feb 14 14:48:22 oh, too bad they released it on Valentines day : my girlfrient will never let me play with it tonight :( Feb 14 14:48:22 ahiemstra, Ok. Feb 14 14:49:45 hehe Feb 14 14:51:28 hey guys, so back on Meego N900 playing. Basically is there a real way to get a Arm Toolchain running? Feb 14 14:51:47 jbos: SDK has a toolchain Feb 14 14:51:58 we need stuff which ist basically compliant with Meego Compliance Spec Feb 14 14:52:11 but packages are missing von sysroot Feb 14 14:52:53 like qttelepathy Feb 14 14:52:54 that is in compliance spec but supposed to be in meego api? Feb 14 14:53:48 mhm the thing is, we download Meego SDK Feb 14 14:54:05 install Arm Core Handset Target Feb 14 14:54:34 set the qmake qt version Feb 14 14:55:10 so when we try compile it complains about missing telepathy Feb 14 14:56:08 so we wonder, can we install it in the Root - because spec from http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/ComplianceTools Tells that it is minimum compliance Feb 14 14:56:23 how is this supposed to work? Feb 14 14:57:22 jbos: have you tried OBS yet? Feb 14 14:57:40 yes, but thats not a solution for me Feb 14 14:57:47 ok Feb 14 14:57:57 we want to start and debug within qt creator Feb 14 14:57:59 Yesterday we were talking about the possibility of running latest version of handset in virtualbox. It is supposed to work, but the fact is that i cannot mount the image because it is not an .iso. Any solution? Feb 14 14:58:21 jbos: you can also generate your own sysroot Feb 14 14:58:42 ah Feb 14 14:58:49 ok that sounds like a plan Feb 14 14:58:50 using mic2 Feb 14 14:58:51 :) Feb 14 14:59:45 Developers! DEVELOPERS! Feb 14 14:59:50 so but i cant install later on Feb 14 14:59:54 right? Feb 14 15:00:01 hmm? Feb 14 15:00:10 like taking trunk Feb 14 15:00:27 and install what i need (and whats supposed to be there - regarding spec) Feb 14 15:02:52 is there a documentation about building own sysroot Feb 14 15:03:25 mic2 Feb 14 15:03:29 the .ks'es are on repo.meego.com Feb 14 15:03:29 afaik Feb 14 15:03:35 tablet ux feels pretty nice Feb 14 15:03:47 but uh... is there no home button or some equivalent? Feb 14 15:04:04 Hq`: windows key Feb 14 15:04:19 yeah, but that's not very usable in tablet mode... Feb 14 15:04:30 agreed Feb 14 15:04:32 send a patch :) Feb 14 15:04:41 ok but tell me, whats the point in building own sysroot, should the default trunk (core) include everything that claims to be in core? Feb 14 15:05:00 so, afaik, current sysroot provides what is in meego API Feb 14 15:05:02 Hq`, seems they use the magical touch sensitive button on the tab demoed. Feb 14 15:05:14 can anyone tell me what the tablet UX is called in /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch? Feb 14 15:05:17 meego core compliance != meego API? Feb 14 15:05:28 jbos: meego core compliance is what is required to be on a device Feb 14 15:05:35 meego API = qt + qt mobility + opengl es 2.0 Feb 14 15:05:42 yeah I was suspecting that a separate hardware button is supposed to be used Feb 14 15:05:55 Hq`, what device are you using? Feb 14 15:06:01 the s10-3t Feb 14 15:06:39 maybe it would be possible to make one of its hw buttons (around the screen) work for that purpose Feb 14 15:06:42 mhm ok I dont get the cause why meego API is actually different to compliance - why are you doing it that way? Feb 14 15:06:56 jbos: ok. so Feb 14 15:07:02 jbos: there's two types of compliance Feb 14 15:07:04 Hq`, that one has some funky hw buttons on the screen. needs to be configured. Feb 14 15:07:06 app compliance and device/OS compliance Feb 14 15:07:11 app compliance is for applications Feb 14 15:07:16 device/OS is for the .. well, devices and OS Feb 14 15:07:49 I mean, in case i want attract devs to develop with me Feb 14 15:08:03 the sources aren't released yet, right? Feb 14 15:08:14 Hq`: they're not in MeeGo Trunk yet, but you can read the qml Feb 14 15:08:29 Hq`: as US wakes up i'm expecting to see something Feb 14 15:09:37 you say that i need to provide them my own sysroot and they need to install this in order to work with me Feb 14 15:09:57 they can not simply use a default sysroot and start working? Feb 14 15:10:15 ok, so Feb 14 15:10:35 as far as i know, the new sdk for 1.2 is supposed to have all development headers in sysroot Feb 14 15:11:23 ok Feb 14 15:11:35 where to get this? or do i need to wait till april Feb 14 15:11:47 i think it's in progress Feb 14 15:13:25 there is a euro on my desk... Feb 14 15:13:33 did someone lose their euro_ Feb 14 15:13:37 ?* Feb 14 15:14:10 I lost my CC in Europabank! Feb 14 15:15:07 I don't have a credit card on my desk Feb 14 15:19:45 meego.com is asking for usename and password while i m trying to open the site... Feb 14 15:19:46 damn tunnel disconnected me and i didn't notice for a long time, lol Feb 14 15:20:15 anyone faced same issue?? Feb 14 15:20:52 abhijeet, yes, confirming. feel free to file a bug Feb 14 15:21:13 okay.. Feb 14 15:27:02 Wonder can we go back to using the Moblin name now as well as Clutter/MX Feb 14 15:27:15 ;P Feb 14 15:27:40 slaine, do any decent apps run on Moblin :P I thought everyone had already ported to MeeGo Feb 14 15:28:21 I'd comment what I really think but only upset people Feb 14 15:28:51 slaine, Well, I do prefer developing with Vala than C++... ;-) Feb 14 15:34:45 slaine: clutter/mx yes, moblin (name) no Feb 14 15:41:32 http://drippler.com/nokia_n900/committed-to-linux/?utm_source=wordtwit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wordtwit Feb 14 15:45:03 ouch http://mrgoodliving.com/ Feb 14 15:45:52 http://blog.heapmemory.net/?p=31 Feb 14 16:01:06 morning qgil - tablet UX launch today seems to help spirits a bit :) Feb 14 16:02:34 yes, indeed... a wise man named George Lucas once said, "Even Star Wars had its Christmas Special. This too, shall pass." Feb 14 16:02:44 hi Stskeeps - sursum corda! Feb 14 16:02:58 TSCHAKeee, he also said he'd like to break all the copies with a baseball bat... Feb 14 16:03:28 arfoll: indeed he did. ;) I have one, and its' good entertainment, after being sufficiently plastered. ;) Feb 14 16:03:28 TSCHAKeee: i'm fairly interested in when the MeeGo Components for QML gets put out in gitorious etc Feb 14 16:03:35 TSCHAKeee: could be fun to make some apps with it Feb 14 16:03:43 arfoll: especially when the Rifftrax commentary is added. ;) Feb 14 16:03:47 Stskeeps: indeed :) Feb 14 16:03:57 TSCHAKeee, i have to admit, i like star wars alot, but I wasn't even able to finish the whole thing. It's painfull Feb 14 16:04:09 arfoll: like a train wreck in slooooow motion Feb 14 16:04:19 arfoll: but srsly, the Rifftrax commentary makes it awesome. ;) Feb 14 16:04:48 uhm... i don't think I have the strength to watch it again Feb 14 16:06:23 whoa uh Feb 14 16:06:28 somebody swap the CSS for meego.org? Feb 14 16:06:32 ;) Feb 14 16:06:56 nm, meego.org has valentines day CSS Feb 14 16:07:12 TSCHAKeee: haha Feb 14 16:07:41 morn DawnFoster Feb 14 16:07:53 morning Stskeeps Feb 14 16:08:00 oops, afternoon for you Feb 14 16:08:10 *need more tea* Feb 14 16:08:25 Evening even DawnFoster Feb 14 16:08:26 Stskeeps: btw, did you send me IRC stats for Jan already? Feb 14 16:08:31 hey slaine Feb 14 16:08:37 TSCHAKeee: who play the wife on the pict ms or nokia ? http://meego.org/wp-content/themes/my-lovely-theme/resource/images/black/bkg-header.png Feb 14 16:08:49 anyway the design is nice Feb 14 16:09:05 DawnFoster, \o Feb 14 16:11:39 NOTE: having a dangly lanyard on personal N900 helps prevent flashing mistakes! Feb 14 16:12:29 DawnFoster: good question Feb 14 16:12:38 lcuk: we don't want to know about your flashing mistakes! Feb 14 16:12:45 haha Feb 14 16:14:47 probably the most asked question of the day :D Feb 14 16:15:03 is there a tutorial to install meego tablet on the ideapad ? :) Feb 14 16:15:28 is it even dropped in yet? Feb 14 16:15:47 also, guys Feb 14 16:15:51 I've asked in here Feb 14 16:15:55 and i've asked in devel Feb 14 16:16:04 i've had a package submitted and waiting in obs for 5 days Feb 14 16:16:24 i have more to do..but i really would like to get dependencies checked in, so i can actually build my software on OBS some day. ;) Feb 14 16:16:40 TSCHAKeee: where did you submit to? Feb 14 16:17:06 Stskeeps: meego core:current:extras Feb 14 16:17:14 or something to that effect. Feb 14 16:17:48 TSCHAKeee: ok, so discuss with lbt - i think part of the problem is that there's no procedures whatsoever Feb 14 16:17:51 I have at least 5 or 6 deps I know I need to put together and shove on there, before I even get to my Pluto package. Feb 14 16:17:54 ok. Feb 14 16:19:03 DawnFoster: takes me 5 minutes, so i'll generate them mnow Feb 14 16:22:12 anyone can tell me how to install the new intel ux on a lenovo ideapad ? Feb 14 16:23:25 DawnFoster: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.jan.html Feb 14 16:30:04 Stskeeps: sweet, thanks! Feb 14 16:30:58 DawnFoster: i'm not sure if you know, but is there any information on timeline for tablet ux to start being put into meego? Feb 14 16:31:17 Stskeeps: the honest answer is that I have no idea. Feb 14 16:31:33 alright - thanks for answering anyway :) Feb 14 16:31:48 Stskeeps: with all of the thrash last week, a bunch of plans changed & we need to re-plan a bunch of stuff Feb 14 16:32:03 :nod: Feb 14 16:34:58 What a mess. Feb 14 16:35:58 how to get the new netbook ui on an ideapad? Feb 14 16:36:07 DawnFoster: here's hoping that we'll get back on an even keel with a Tablet UX day 1 Feb 14 16:36:16 jbos: download the iso and boot from that Feb 14 16:36:29 so from usb stick? Feb 14 16:36:39 just put it on it like the old one? Feb 14 16:36:39 jbos, it's an iso Feb 14 16:37:03 sure but lenovo st10-3 has no dvd Feb 14 16:37:14 so use an external one Feb 14 16:37:32 Or try unetbootin and see if it makes a usable usb key from the iso Feb 14 16:38:04 once we get a day 1 we'll have the .ks files and repo's an do will be able to make usb images Feb 14 16:38:27 I used a usb key to install the .iso on my lenovo Feb 14 16:38:28 ok Feb 14 16:38:37 ah cool dawn Feb 14 16:38:43 so how did you do it Feb 14 16:38:51 same process as here: http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook Feb 14 16:38:51 DawnFoster: nice, it works as usb boot too? cool Feb 14 16:39:12 jbos: sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/usb_disk Feb 14 16:39:29 awesome good Feb 14 16:40:04 by the way, anyone know the status of recent handset images? Feb 14 16:40:14 we need to get a wiki page up with instructions for installing on ideapad / known issues / etc. since so many community members have those Feb 14 16:42:40 there is one, isn't there? Feb 14 16:42:54 i should have bought one Feb 14 16:43:00 i just got another eeePC Feb 14 16:43:16 http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad could perhaps use some work Feb 14 16:43:37 * Naveen_ is away: I'm busy Feb 14 16:44:55 meh Feb 14 16:45:12 TSCHAKeee: the s10-3t isn't really anything that special Feb 14 16:45:40 hi DawnFoster & colleagues - sorry for being quite silent but I still need to figure out what is going on. Looking forward to the outcome of the Intel-Nokia meetings at MWC Feb 14 16:48:31 hi qgil Feb 14 16:49:56 hey qgil - no worries - you guys have enough going on right now & these things take time to sort out Feb 14 16:59:43 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6232984&l=52a3e2ea5b&id=572347907 Feb 14 17:00:29 looked like a nice building Feb 14 17:00:50 DawnFoster: Is that re-planning happening on meego-pm where possible? Feb 14 17:01:21 Jaffa: not sure where it's happening. Feb 14 17:01:36 hey DawnFoster Feb 14 17:01:58 Jaffa: keep in mind that this is a really sensitive topic, since it probably involves people's jobs, layoffs at Nokia, etc. Feb 14 17:02:29 Jaffa: probably needs to be handled a little more delicately to start Feb 14 17:02:45 hey Cosmo|Uni Feb 14 17:03:11 how's the monday after? Feb 14 17:03:21 I live few stone throws away from that place, go past it by bus almost daily Feb 14 17:03:32 DawnFoster: True Feb 14 17:03:49 CosmoHill: still trying to catch up on email, news, etc. :) Feb 14 17:04:07 Surely, MeeGo doesn't care about what people are actually doing? If those that could possibly lose their jobs because of this disrupting news still want to be here and work for the platform, which I hope they do, then it shouldn't matter. Feb 14 17:04:07 it was one ugly building once it was abandoned Feb 14 17:08:05 Before joining Nokia, I always worked on Linux stuff for no pay. While I enjoy getting paid, I can smoothly transition to being a pure volunteer if needed. I will be at the May MeeGoCon for sure! Feb 14 17:10:45 I was under the impression you worked for intel Feb 14 17:10:49 me too Feb 14 17:11:03 Heh Feb 14 17:11:18 * thiago will be too Feb 14 17:11:27 Alison_Chaiken: is Tom in BCN? Feb 14 17:11:32 It's quite difficult to get jobs where you are paid (well) to develop FOSS projects that you (really) like Feb 14 17:11:44 May MeeGo con ... cool, might have to try that one. Feb 14 17:11:59 thiago, yes Tom and Chuck are in BCN. Feb 14 17:12:07 Alison_Chaiken: I need to talk to them Feb 14 17:12:12 well, to Tom mostly Feb 14 17:12:12 federico2: that's why most people like to fill their spare time with what they love :) Feb 14 17:12:53 too bad :( Feb 14 17:12:55 thiago, Ibrahim and I are in touch with Tom and Chuck. Feb 14 17:14:16 I'm not to sure I'd want to do something I love as a job Feb 14 17:14:29 I mean it kinda takes the fun out of it when you're obligated to do it Feb 14 17:14:43 CosmoHill: not really Feb 14 17:14:44 CosmoHill: take it from me ... that's bollox Feb 14 17:14:58 Hahah Feb 14 17:14:59 well I do Feb 14 17:15:23 Admittedly, I do like variation, but meh you get that anyway :) Feb 14 17:15:23 awesome, you've made the world a less scary place for me now :) Feb 14 17:15:51 timoph, were you born as a meegon or were you genetically altered sometime after? Feb 14 17:16:02 * gabrbedd things CosmoHill would be happier doing something he hates for 40 hours a week for the rest of his life. Feb 14 17:16:09 s/things/thinks/ Feb 14 17:16:15 Occasionally I think, "Is programming really what I want to do" then I got a girlfriend and that made me realise that it's now the only time I can do it ;) Feb 14 17:16:21 gabrbedd: 40hrs? Feb 14 17:17:13 CosmoHill: that's what I thought would happen Feb 14 17:17:22 CosmoHill: but not true when I'm working for Qt Feb 14 17:17:23 I've just seen 6 kids go past on scooters O.o Feb 14 17:17:49 CosmoHill, no offense but I think you said the craziest thing :) Feb 14 17:18:09 federico2: you get used to that after a while Feb 14 17:18:10 lbt: range [32, 168) Feb 14 17:18:15 CosmoHill: happens nightly for me, I think they call them selves the "The Knee Nibblers" Feb 14 17:18:22 gabrbedd: better Feb 14 17:18:23 CosmoHill, and that the saddest :) Feb 14 17:19:06 I'm very hard to intentionally insult Feb 14 17:19:25 that's good :) Feb 14 17:19:52 that and I know where all the swords are kept for when I do get offended Feb 14 17:20:10 CosmoHill: you realise you've thrown down a gauntlet there...? :) Feb 14 17:20:32 more knocked off the counter than thrown Feb 14 17:20:37 :) Feb 14 17:21:59 * gabrbedd thinks CosmoHill is a M$ fanboi. Feb 14 17:22:12 * CosmoHill thinks ... Feb 14 17:22:16 wait is that a test? Feb 14 17:22:18 Contributing to community projects in your free time is great (and I have done it all my life) - providing you have non-free (paid) time too :) Feb 14 17:22:34 CosmoHill: hee he... Feb 14 17:23:00 CosmoHill: quick, put that large leather glove back on the counter Feb 14 17:23:15 qgil: it's better when you're paid to contribute to projects :-) Feb 14 17:23:42 how does that work when they pay you to code or something Feb 14 17:23:52 is it done by hours spent or by lines of code? Feb 14 17:23:54 qgil: :) Feb 14 17:23:54 thiago: I can't complain, I have managed almost always turning my hobbies into paid jobs Feb 14 17:24:13 CosmoHill: usually hours/deliverables Feb 14 17:24:24 CosmoHill, usually measured by *removal* of lines of code =p Feb 14 17:24:41 qgil: so how are you doing? Still trying to work things out? I hope you'll find youself continuing to do something you're obviously passionate about. Feb 14 17:24:57 passion is the best motivator Feb 14 17:25:14 passion and a job together Feb 14 17:25:32 CosmoHill, what uni do you go to? Feb 14 17:25:37 Anglia Ruskin Feb 14 17:25:57 I am quite passionate about a lot of things, but then, I always end up being passionate about what I'm doing anyway Feb 14 17:26:08 nice, i'm not too far normally Feb 14 17:26:17 arfoll: from which campus? Feb 14 17:26:25 CosmoHill: in my company, we just have to do "as if" we are coding lines at least ;) Feb 14 17:26:27 Even when I was working with C# .NET I still really enjoyed it, because I just love coding :) Feb 14 17:26:28 alterego: http://bit.ly/hOiFic - I'm basically in listening mode since a bunch of news and details have still to come Feb 14 17:26:37 CosmoHill, live in cambridge, go to uni in canterbury (Kent) Feb 14 17:26:47 theres more than one anglia ruskin campus? Feb 14 17:26:48 * lbt was always passionate about the companies he worked for.... they eventually beat that out of me ;) Feb 14 17:27:05 * Jaffa finds his colleagues lack of passion is the biggest passion sap. Feb 14 17:27:06 qgil: understandably, wish you all the best whatever may or may not come out of the next few months :) Feb 14 17:27:18 It's hard to be passionate about your product when you end up shipping shit :-( Feb 14 17:27:20 arfoll: Cambridge and Chelmsford (where I am) and the main ones, there is also Peterbourh and Farmbrouh I think Feb 14 17:27:28 qgil and CosmoHill, the problem is that when you get paid to work on your passion, it hurts oh so much more when the corporate overlords decide against you. It's no wonder big companies are filled with burnouts who dont give a damn. Feb 14 17:27:35 the hardest thing may be to keep that passion up Feb 14 17:27:41 Alison_Chaiken: I hear you Feb 14 17:28:18 CosmoHill, so big... might see you at a meego meetup when i'm back in england then Feb 14 17:28:24 Alison_Chaiken: I understand, been there, yet I still pushed and pushed them, creating solutions unpaid, in my own time to impress "them" which eventually paid off. Feb 14 17:28:25 if they still do them in cambridge Feb 14 17:28:27 they crap on you too much you start thinking "whaty's the point of trying?" Feb 14 17:28:36 Alison_Chaiken: then I got the sack :) Feb 14 17:28:48 Alison_Chaiken: I prefer x100000 being passionate and get hurt from time to time than having a skin as thick as my boredom at work Feb 14 17:28:49 arfoll: that's what sh...yes they are big campuses Feb 14 17:28:57 lbt, I made some contributions to the giant magnetoresistance in its first days and helped make HDD storage cost pennies per GB. No one at a company can take that kind of thing away from you. alterego, do great work and be proud. Feb 14 17:29:12 I started in 2008 and since then two new buildings have been built Feb 14 17:29:35 Alison_Chaiken, Stormy Peters gave a presentation a few years ago called "would you do it again for free?" Feb 14 17:29:36 Alison_Chaiken: I do, or try to :) Feb 14 17:29:45 Alison_Chaiken: I thank you for my 4Tb MythTV box :) Feb 14 17:29:52 Hahah Feb 14 17:30:09 Alison_Chaiken, The question was: you start off as a passionate volunteer, then you get hired, then you leave your job/get fired/whatever Feb 14 17:30:18 lbt, good to thank me now before HDD disappear and kids don't know what they are! Feb 14 17:30:24 *g* Feb 14 17:30:27 Would you go back to the passionate volunteerism that got you hired in the first place, or do you move in? Feb 14 17:30:31 dneary_: hey, I'm still here! Feb 14 17:30:35 Hi lbt Feb 14 17:30:38 Hah Feb 14 17:30:41 although technically not been fired ... yet Feb 14 17:30:42 I didn't see any responses to my email Feb 14 17:30:43 Alison_Chaiken: I held up a 7" vinyl to my cousins and they just looked at me blankly Feb 14 17:30:48 dneary, I'm all in for MeeGoCon, even though it conflicts with the amazingly awesome Maker Faire, which I have never missed a minute of! Feb 14 17:30:49 dneary_: no rush ... Feb 14 17:30:54 "it's like a large DVD" Feb 14 17:31:13 Where are the details of MeeGo Con? Feb 14 17:31:15 Alison_Chaiken, I didn't know you were a Maker Faire person Feb 14 17:31:18 oh dear god let this conf call end Feb 14 17:31:21 that reminds me, my copy of Monsters Inc is still in France Feb 14 17:31:33 I'd like to think "passionate volunteerism" continues in parallel with paid work without interruption. Feb 14 17:31:36 i still think the archos omap3640 tablets are great meego platforms Feb 14 17:31:47 federico2: how's that for crazy Feb 14 17:31:55 dneary_, I have been an exhibitor at Maker Faire every year. Except this year! Feb 14 17:32:27 If I was forced to programming with Windows API, I may not have much passion. I would be like rolling a stones for living. Feb 14 17:32:28 except maybe the 256MB ram Feb 14 17:32:41 It* Feb 14 17:33:15 My Dad emailed me that Microsoft's investment in Nokia must give me hope. He hasn't quite grokked the open source thing. Feb 14 17:33:16 velope: depends what you're coding Feb 14 17:33:34 you make great things happen, you touch other people, you make the world a better place... Feb 14 17:33:35 velope: in my experience MS tools are very good quality, they have a very good team. It's just not my passion to develop for them. Feb 14 17:33:36 hi Feb 14 17:33:40 Though I have Feb 14 17:33:41 velope: and what language you're using, though yeah MFC is nasty Feb 14 17:33:46 And can't really complain. Feb 14 17:33:47 Hey velope, would you like frittes with that? Feb 14 17:34:04 Alison_Chaiken: maybe from his point of view, one big company has annoused a partnership with your big company, therefore your job must be safe and might even get a pay rise Feb 14 17:34:15 * lbt would still rather buy MS than Apple :) Feb 14 17:34:28 he rather likes his MS keyboard... Feb 14 17:34:35 probably it's a FAQ today, but.... has any of you been able to download and install the MeeGo 1.2 tablet image on Lenovo Ideapad? I downloaded it but someone told me it's a CD iso and I've to burn it on a cd, but... wtf?! Lenovo has no cd! Feb 14 17:34:35 * arfoll agrees with lbt Feb 14 17:34:40 well. moo. Feb 14 17:34:41 CosmoHill, that's what my Dad thinks. I had some problems explaining to him why I belong to a club called "Hacker Dojo" as well. Feb 14 17:35:00 * slaine is an apple fanboi Feb 14 17:35:05 Andy80: write it to usb Feb 14 17:35:06 Andy80: dd it to a USB stick Feb 14 17:35:15 hey Andy80 Feb 14 17:35:25 arfoll: it astonishes me how many 'OSS' people give money to the most oppressive system out there Feb 14 17:35:27 lbt, the wireless MS mouse was developed at HP Labs, another former failing employer, but I shouldn't dwell on that, or I will actually cry! Feb 14 17:35:30 I believe there may be something on the FAQ, if not I'll get it added Feb 14 17:35:46 ooh... HP labs.... I nearly worked there Feb 14 17:35:51 lbt, i try to convince even family members about this very fact Feb 14 17:35:53 Stskeeps, jausmus I did it with: sudo dd bs=4096 if=meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail.iso of=/dev/sde1, but when I try to boot from that USB nothing happens Feb 14 17:35:54 slaine: I think apple are evil bastards Feb 14 17:36:03 try of=/dev/sda Feb 14 17:36:05 arfoll: it's like talking to crack addicts Feb 14 17:36:07 Andy80: sde Feb 14 17:36:09 sde Feb 14 17:36:09 not sde1 Feb 14 17:36:09 sure, I just typed that on a 2005 powerbook but that's not my point Feb 14 17:36:11 :) Feb 14 17:36:25 Stskeeps: ok, I try again thanks :) Feb 14 17:36:42 jausmus: as asmusing as jokes are, people get really pissed if you wipe their hard drives Feb 14 17:36:55 CosmoHill: aww - take all my fun away! ;) Feb 14 17:36:57 Andy80, I have pinetrail handset and netbook images running on WeTab and ExoPC, but they have problems. (Check wiki.meego.com.) I'll go ahead and put tablet UX on. Speaking of which, back to work! Feb 14 17:37:03 * jausmus misread his original cmdline :) Feb 14 17:37:04 lbt, worst is when they run a VM with linux in it 24/7 because they're not too sure how to do anything else but open virtualbox... Feb 14 17:37:24 CosmoHill, err... what do you mean? Feb 14 17:37:26 that reminds me, one node failed because some weird 1" Molex to Molex cable broke Feb 14 17:37:52 federico2: you said I said crazy things and I just said one of my DVD's is in france Feb 14 17:37:58 Alison_Chaiken: ok, let me check wiki.meego.com Feb 14 17:37:59 Alison_Chaiken: mmm work.... get it whilst you can ;) Feb 14 17:38:06 so I was joking that I said another crazy thing Feb 14 17:38:11 * lbt -> work too ...... l8r all Feb 14 17:38:20 oh no /o\ a DVD! In france! /o\ Feb 14 17:38:34 federico2: the crazy bit being I've never been to france Feb 14 17:38:48 CosmoHill, you're better off that way Feb 14 17:39:34 where IS the tablet image? Feb 14 17:40:10 http://intel.ly/gq8OTA Feb 14 17:40:22 TSCHAKeee: see link ^^^ Feb 14 17:40:23 http://intel.ly/gq8OTA Feb 14 17:40:27 oh yeah you need to agree to the non-disclousure thingy Feb 14 17:40:40 using swype keyboard Feb 14 17:40:49 ooo, I've heard of that Feb 14 17:40:54 that won't be in the repo's Feb 14 17:40:56 seems like my kinda thing Feb 14 17:41:50 did they put the GMA500 drivers on the disc? Feb 14 17:42:04 Stskeeps: ok, at least it's booting now, let's wait :) Feb 14 17:42:14 don't think its targeted at that kind of hardware Feb 14 17:42:52 slaine: QML ran quite nicely on my joggler Feb 14 17:42:55 it's listed as pinetrail which probably means it's for wetab/S10-3t like hardware Feb 14 17:43:15 arfoll: nod Feb 14 17:43:16 aka Atom+NM10 Feb 14 17:43:20 Stskeeps: great Feb 14 17:43:54 slaine: MTF broke the emgd completely though, but no surprises in that ;) Feb 14 17:44:02 argh Feb 14 17:44:03 * Stskeeps writes tablet image to disk Feb 14 17:44:05 :( Feb 14 17:44:07 i'm sure vgrade will quickly do his magic and get us tablet UX on joggler/EMGD once the repo's are up Feb 14 17:44:22 arfoll: well I can do that too, once the files are up Feb 14 17:44:27 but yeah, i was just hoping. ;) Feb 14 17:44:29 ok... it runs.... Feb 14 17:44:35 well... are they serious :D ????!?!?!? Feb 14 17:44:37 wtf does it look like? Feb 14 17:44:43 6 months working to this crappy stuf?! Feb 14 17:44:54 it's not April 1st... Feb 14 17:44:57 Andy80: oi, that's rude Feb 14 17:45:17 Stskeeps: yes, I'm rude, I know... but what should I say? Feb 14 17:45:24 and where do you get the 6 month figure from anyway :) Feb 14 17:45:44 probably more Feb 14 17:45:50 that's what scares me... Feb 14 17:45:53 Stskeeps, i think thats when intel showed the mockup at IDF of tablet on meego Feb 14 17:46:38 Andy80: do you honestly know what it takes to build a complete operating environment, with a UI from scratch these days, given expectations? Feb 14 17:46:42 it's astronomical. Feb 14 17:46:57 so chill the fuck out. Feb 14 17:47:01 Andy80: patches welcome ;) Feb 14 17:47:14 I can't neother close the setting windows O__o Feb 14 17:47:17 and language, people! Feb 14 17:47:17 neither Feb 14 17:47:17 i dont think the 6 months were spend designing the shading of buttons :) Feb 14 17:47:27 jausmus, where do we send the patches? Feb 14 17:47:29 Andy80: hit the home button Feb 14 17:47:33 reminder: http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines Feb 14 17:47:52 * TSCHAKeee rolls eyes. Feb 14 17:48:01 arfoll: contribution guidelines probably still apply, but i'm unsure if there's a git up Feb 14 17:48:15 arfoll: well, I'm sure the stock answer is to attach them to a bug on bugs.meego.com :) Feb 14 17:48:30 jausmus, and where is the code? Feb 14 17:48:47 sorry if I expected more from this release.... Feb 14 17:49:26 Andy80: It's not a release, and the link calls it an "alpha preview" Feb 14 17:49:50 arfoll: not sure if I'm allowed to talk about that, but I've noticed that there is a certain inevitable openness about QML... Feb 14 17:49:57 ok, my mistake than... I did think a product was announced Feb 14 17:50:32 jausmus, :-), i'd quite like to add a feature that will require a little more open code than that Feb 14 17:50:32 well, at least dpi is not correct on s10-3t Feb 14 17:50:39 good question arfoll :) Feb 14 17:51:05 where can we find the whole source code of this? Feb 14 17:51:10 * jausmus continues to push for more openness as well Feb 14 17:51:32 if it's like every other MeeGo UX push Feb 14 17:51:35 jausmus: cool work on it, needs some polish but hopefully people can contribute that over time Feb 14 17:51:39 the code drop will happen 'sometime soon' Feb 14 17:51:41 I'm sure there soon will be a market for javascript^wQML-obfuscators ;) Feb 14 17:51:47 actually, the majority of the core OS is standard MeeGo 1.2, and the majority of the UI is QML Feb 14 17:52:30 there's a few additional UI pieces that are compiled that you can't get to at the moment, but we're trying :) Feb 14 17:52:36 jausmus, can you ellaborate on majority of the core OS is standard? Is it not just a meego 1.1.90 snapshot? Feb 14 17:52:36 re all Feb 14 17:52:48 arfoll: that's what it looks like, after digging around in the fs Feb 14 17:52:55 it's fairly nicely architected Feb 14 17:53:11 jausmus: what was released? Feb 14 17:53:17 really, the the only pieces that aren't straight from build.meego.com are the top-most UI layers Feb 14 17:53:18 * sivang wonders what everybody are talking about Feb 14 17:53:20 jausmus: yes, it would be nice if the whole development was made in open space... not kept secret for months... Feb 14 17:53:32 jausmus: Inte's tablet? Feb 14 17:53:32 jausmus, ok cool - thanks for sharing Feb 14 17:53:33 in this way we (the community) cannot contribute during development Feb 14 17:53:38 * jausmus agrees wholeheartedly... Feb 14 17:53:55 but I don't get to set policy ;) Feb 14 17:54:07 Stskeeps, i will have to check it out tonight on my lenovo s10-3t, has anyone found a fix for dpi? Feb 14 17:54:20 arfoll: not sure Feb 14 17:54:28 we may not have all your (Intel/other partners) skills and experience, but someone could have good ideas Feb 14 17:55:27 Andy80: again, I don't think you'd get any disagreement from any of us developers... :) Feb 14 17:55:57 Ha! Swype is kewl! Feb 14 17:56:09 :) Feb 14 17:56:41 jausmus: i'd like to applaud a job quite well done though, i've been poking around in the qml bits and initial impression of trying it out is that it performs quite well Feb 14 17:57:02 Stskeeps: thanks, it's nice to hear good feedback :) Feb 14 17:57:33 of course, I'm more than happy to hear negative feedback (about the code/UI itself) - always happy to work to improve the experience Feb 14 17:57:47 jausmus: So, this is your baby? Feb 14 17:57:56 jausmus: any bits you worked on, just to keep track? Feb 14 17:58:02 I'm one of the proud parents, but certainly not the only one ;) Feb 14 17:58:04 jausmus: (the tablet ux, that is) Feb 14 17:58:22 There's a whole team at Intel working on that Feb 14 17:59:07 I own panels, the social networking infrastructure, the sharing infrastructure, and am involved in the common UI and infrastructure code Feb 14 17:59:34 jausmus, auke: Nice! Is there a way to force the keyboard to pop up any time that I want it? Feb 14 18:00:11 jausmus: cool Feb 14 18:00:18 gabrbedd: no way to force it to pop- up at any time - there's a way to force it to go away though :) Feb 14 18:00:25 at least, AFAIK Feb 14 18:00:30 jausmus: i'm personally curious about MeeGo.Components in qml and what the story there will be :P Feb 14 18:00:37 as it'd be nice to make these kind of apps as well Feb 14 18:00:37 gabrbedd: do you have a case where it doesn't show up when it should? Feb 14 18:00:45 jausmus: I promise I'll try to be more costructive with my critics in future, but.... try to understand me: I'm one of the thousand of people still angry for the recent Nokia decision, so it's quite difficoult for me to still trust MeeGo :\ Feb 14 18:01:15 Andy80: I understand :) Feb 14 18:01:32 Andy80: I still trust MeeGo - it's my job... ;) Feb 14 18:01:39 jausmus: Well, yes... whenever I port pure Xlib apps to MeeGo, and even some GTK+ apps, the keyboard doesn't always show up at the right time. Feb 14 18:01:57 gabrbedd: for GTK+ there's a IM bridge, i think Feb 14 18:02:01 jausmus: And some workflows... I need tohave some manner of random keystroke. Feb 14 18:02:03 for meego input method Feb 14 18:02:32 gabrbedd: yeah, I think there's some infrastructure work to do to make the KB work properly across GTK apps - I'm not sure if we'll address pure Xlib apps - don't know what the plans are around that Feb 14 18:02:46 Stskeeps: Yes, I'm aware of the IM bridge... but when working on an audio DAW... it's not as clear-cut when the keyboard should appear. Feb 14 18:02:59 gabrbedd: "some manner of random keystroke"? Can you give me an example of what you're trying to do? Feb 14 18:03:16 jausmus: Well, the easist workaround is to have a button that always allows the kb to pop up. Feb 14 18:03:32 Stskeeps: what is the product? Feb 14 18:03:42 tablet ux works quite nice in the ideapad, in the video seemed to lack a bit :D good job Feb 14 18:03:56 is it known, more or less, when this tablet UX will reach the 1.0 status? Feb 14 18:04:07 jausmus: Examples include Ardour, Energy XT, Renoise, etc. Feb 14 18:05:08 jausmus: While developing the Indamixx 2 using the Netbook UX... the "bridges" were never reliable enough for the apps we're using. Feb 14 18:05:28 gabrbedd: file a bug? ;) Feb 14 18:05:34 jausmus: Hee hee... Feb 14 18:05:50 jausmus: Well, that brings me to the next part.... Feb 14 18:05:52 jausmus: and it will work without the virt-kb when I have a BT or USB keyboard won't it ? :) Feb 14 18:05:54 ideally, the infrastructure should be good enough that you would never need a way to force the KB to appear - it should always Just Work Feb 14 18:05:59 if it doesn't, it's a bug :) Feb 14 18:06:09 sivang: intel tablet ux for ia32 Feb 14 18:06:12 lbt: absolutely :) Feb 14 18:06:19 jausmus: :) Feb 14 18:06:41 incidentally, where are you planning on putting the code? Feb 14 18:06:44 jausmus: If I want to make a custom-rolled version of the Tablet UX... who should I contact about that? Feb 14 18:07:05 ... Feb 14 18:07:05 gabrbedd: That's a good question, the answer of which a lowly developer like I doesn't know :) Feb 14 18:07:19 gabrbedd: once the repo and the ks are out... you can do that yourself Feb 14 18:07:24 jausmus: I actually set out a week or two ago working on the Handset UX to doo... what you just did! Feb 14 18:07:29 gabrbedd: that's what our tools are for :P Feb 14 18:07:35 gabrbedd: I'd say - the mailing list for now. Feb 14 18:07:38 Andy80: are you also an another trojan horse, we have one already ;) Feb 14 18:07:54 gabrbedd: Sorry we stole your work ;) Feb 14 18:08:11 auke, jausmus: So, it *is* planned to release this publicly (gitorious, etc) ? Feb 14 18:08:33 jausmus: No! Thank you! I'd rather work on the audio apps than reinventing the WM. Feb 14 18:08:41 gabrbedd: I don't know the answer to that, sorry. Feb 14 18:08:42 :) Feb 14 18:09:09 gabrbedd: I'm not in a position that I'm allowed to answer that type of question :/ Feb 14 18:09:14 gabrbedd: well, at least the QML files has apache license, so maybe one day Feb 14 18:09:18 damn. I still haven't been able to download the tablet image. It just stops at some point and browser thinks it has the full file Feb 14 18:10:17 jausmus: Is there any business agent I should contact? Feb 14 18:10:33 gabrbedd: i think there was something listed in the EULA Feb 14 18:10:38 velope: no, I'm not :) I'm an opensource entusiast, I manage a Linux user group since 2001 in my city and I like to develop free software. In particular I loved to develop with Qt for portable devices, but... now that I know that Symbian+MeeGo+Qt ecosystem is not the future of Nokia, I really don't know what to do... Feb 14 18:10:52 Stskeeps: ok. Feb 14 18:10:57 Stskeeps: thanks. Feb 14 18:11:02 I'm not involved with the business side of things (thanksfully!) - I get to stay focused on the code, so I've no idea... Sorry :/ Feb 14 18:11:18 evidently, the caffeine hasn't hit my fingers yet... Feb 14 18:12:36 * jausmus goes away for a bit Feb 14 18:13:10 feel free to message me directly in the meantime if you have any other questions I might be able to answer (emphasis on might) :) Feb 14 18:13:25 jausmus: Thanks, dude! Feb 14 18:14:18 Anybody know how to switch apps in the Tablet UX ? Feb 14 18:14:26 gabrbedd: windows key Feb 14 18:14:57 the tablet ux is made for tablets with a hardware key Feb 14 18:15:06 Stskeeps: Got it, thanks. Feb 14 18:15:15 hey vdvsx, long timeno see Feb 14 18:15:53 RST38h, well, I was here 5mins ago :D Feb 14 18:15:58 well, there's a couple of hardware keys on the ideapad as well... just not the one that the ux wants ;) Feb 14 18:16:21 hi Feb 14 18:16:29 there is a new tablet image Feb 14 18:16:33 * VDVsx is installing tablet ux, after a try from usb drive Feb 14 18:16:41 can I install it on a desktop computer ? Feb 14 18:16:54 vlj: does your desktop have a touch screen? Feb 14 18:17:02 as it is "pinetrail" named, and obviously is tablet optimised Feb 14 18:17:06 leinir: I've tried to hot-rod those keys... but they continue to elude me. :-( Feb 14 18:17:17 CosmoHill, no, but maybe the mouse cursor can act as a finger ? Feb 14 18:17:17 gabrbedd: damn... Feb 14 18:17:32 vlj: from a software point of view it should work Feb 14 18:17:37 but kinda defeats the point Feb 14 18:17:52 it sort of works on a laptop, you get some idea of what it does Feb 14 18:18:14 ok Feb 14 18:18:25 and what kind of hardware does it need ? Feb 14 18:18:38 I mean : special gfx required ? Feb 14 18:18:41 and I say that after a good 3 minutes of experimentation Feb 14 18:18:45 Hi Feb 14 18:18:52 vlj: A netbook or tablet with Atom N450. Feb 14 18:18:54 hi Ulf_ Feb 14 18:19:02 Hi Stskeeps Feb 14 18:19:05 vlj: Some others will work, but that's the most prevelent. Feb 14 18:19:14 ooh. multitouch works Feb 14 18:19:54 gabrbedd, z520 + poulsbo ? :p Feb 14 18:20:18 Anybody know how to close an app on Tablet? Feb 14 18:21:47 Stskeeps: yeah... I tried to zoom in-out a picture :P Feb 14 18:22:34 FWIW, multitouch worked on the ideapad with the 1.1 Hanset Pineview build. Feb 14 18:22:43 lcuk: ping Feb 14 18:23:00 pong Feb 14 18:23:14 gabrbedd, is the ui hardware accelerated ? Feb 14 18:23:26 qml's quite likely, yeah Feb 14 18:23:28 talking about Machester Science museum, i see the gadget show this evening is from there Feb 14 18:23:39 spelling as good as ever ;) Feb 14 18:23:43 vlj: Um, I just shut it down... but... probably. Feb 14 18:23:44 Stskeeps, I thought qml was not Feb 14 18:23:54 yes lardman I saw too :) Feb 14 18:23:58 made me smile Feb 14 18:24:17 vlj: sure it is Feb 14 18:24:24 vlj: you can switch modes Feb 14 18:24:34 lcuk: cool, just thought I'd let you know :) Feb 14 18:24:42 lardman, Tracy and I went to Machester conference centre last week, theres a load of events up here this year :) Feb 14 18:24:59 but by default tablet ux run with hardware acceleration ? Feb 14 18:25:19 lcuk: unfortunately Meego not amongst them Feb 14 18:25:33 lardman, really? did MeeGo just stop or something? Feb 14 18:25:44 I was under the impression it was just getting started. Feb 14 18:25:52 * lardman hopes so Feb 14 18:26:16 humm, can I setup wifi network in the ideapad with the tablet ux ? :D Feb 14 18:26:38 VDVsx: you may have to install broacom drivers Feb 14 18:27:00 bah Feb 14 18:27:31 does meego tablet run with xorg ? Feb 14 18:27:35 vlj: yes Feb 14 18:27:38 or wayland ? Feb 14 18:27:41 ok Feb 14 18:27:46 but no source atm ? Feb 14 18:27:49 VDVsx: yes, it needs prop. drivers :) Feb 14 18:28:00 VDVsx: you should have taken the red usb stick at Dublin :p Feb 14 18:28:37 vlj: Best I can tell, it's an adaption of the Handset UX for tablets. Feb 14 18:28:42 ok Feb 14 18:28:43 VDVsx: or are you referring to the new intel meego ux in MWC? Feb 14 18:28:50 image zooming seems to be quite laggy, don't think there's much hw acceleration going on Feb 14 18:29:23 * sivang is glad no community effort was put to create a tablet UX as this would have been duplication of efforts Feb 14 18:29:27 Hq`, image zooming is slow? Feb 14 18:30:14 sivang, tablet ux Feb 14 18:30:27 * VDVsx tries cable Feb 14 18:30:30 VDVsx: yep, where do I download it? Feb 14 18:30:42 * sivang wants to finally read books on the ideapad Feb 14 18:32:17 actually wifi works after plug the cable the networks shown up, lol Feb 14 18:32:25 sivang, link is somewhere above Feb 14 18:32:37 yes, google says 'no' :) Feb 14 18:32:40 * sivang looks up Feb 14 18:33:08 RST38h, you're working for nokia ? :p Feb 14 18:33:14 no Feb 14 18:33:23 lcuk: yeah, I'm talking about pinch-zooming images on the tablet ux :) Feb 14 18:33:46 sivang: http://intel.ly/gq8OTA Feb 14 18:33:54 RST38h, you're working on meego-image-editor on your free time ? Feb 14 18:35:57 vlj: No Feb 14 18:39:36 gabrbedd: thanks Feb 14 18:40:39 frankly I don't mind if this tablet UX is being released after and we make it better. Feb 14 18:41:04 so the start of it happend behind clsoed doors, lots of open source projects started this way and we can't be too picky right now :p Feb 14 18:41:24 but a note to the community could have been nice so nobody would go waste his time duplicating this effort, but well... Feb 14 18:41:31 i'm personally hoping they'll see the light and improve IVI and Handset UX. Feb 14 18:41:48 Stskeeps: Intel? Feb 14 18:41:54 yeah, using this Feb 14 18:42:38 nokia has not stopped work on meego Feb 14 18:43:25 lpotter: true Feb 14 18:44:13 Stskeeps: I hope so action would start in IVI again. Things has been quite since friday Feb 14 18:44:29 Stskeeps: I'm still waiting for Jeremiah's respnse from back then Feb 14 18:44:38 Stskeeps: I mean, ont he bug report Feb 14 18:45:12 mm Feb 14 18:46:26 lpotter: I do hope Nokia do stick to meego for the next linux os they'll release, some peopel think that even if they do, it won't be meego or close although it might share some of the plumbing. Feb 14 18:46:55 lpotter: I mean, after the meego release in 2011 Feb 14 18:47:56 "for the next linux os they'll release" Feb 14 18:48:00 erhm. Feb 14 18:48:16 Myrtti: linux based os :) Feb 14 18:48:48 * gabrbedd thinks lpotter is a disruption. Feb 14 18:48:56 :-) Feb 14 18:49:09 sivang: the meego device nokia is scheduled to ship is using harmattan Feb 14 18:49:15 so not quite meego Feb 14 18:49:28 thiago_home: right, so at least not farther then harmattan ;) Feb 14 18:50:53 hi ab Feb 14 18:53:26 hi vlj Feb 14 18:53:43 moo ab Feb 14 18:53:53 RST38h, beh Feb 14 19:21:34 qgil: ping Feb 14 19:22:11 thiago_home: pong Feb 14 19:22:17 anyone used WebOS and can say what is the Linux experience on it in comparison with Maemo? Feb 14 19:22:54 valianholt: probably a better question for #maemo or #webos-internals Feb 14 19:23:10 kk Feb 14 19:31:12 any hint on how to use .bin handset meego image as .iso? Feb 14 19:35:52 bchunk - CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr Feb 14 19:35:57 furiusisomount - An ISO, IMG, BIN, MDF and NRG image management utility Feb 14 19:36:08 iat - Converts many CD-ROM image formats to iso9660 Feb 14 19:38:18 you might be able to mount it directly as well, hirabayashitaro Feb 14 19:38:55 pupnik_: seems that vitualbox is not actually supporting bin images Feb 14 19:41:08 i have no idea why hirabayashitaro Feb 14 19:41:42 but i thought open-source images should be .iso anyway Feb 14 19:43:36 do you know if it's possible to make wifi work with lastest MeeGo 1.2 image on Lenovo Ideapad? (I've a broadcom wifi card) Feb 14 19:44:28 Andy80, how did you boot it? it got as far as X11 cursor for me lol Feb 14 19:45:16 lcuk: I simply copied the image on a USB pen with this command: sudo dd bs=4096 if=meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail.iso of=/dev/sde Feb 14 19:45:24 Andy80: w/ the original image you had to install the closed driver Feb 14 19:45:26 only the ethernet connection works Feb 14 19:45:31 not sure if they fixed that for 1.2 Feb 14 19:46:12 http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-69744.html Feb 14 19:46:12 looks promising Feb 14 19:46:58 timeless: it's for 64bit Feb 14 19:47:48 a MeeGo package would be better ;) Feb 14 19:48:05 but I didn't find any application manager inside Feb 14 19:48:24 Andy80: It's been discussed on meego-dev. Upstream in-kernel modules won't be ready for prime time in 1.2. The package that David Graeves maintains is still needing a patch to adapt it to the 2.6.37 kernel. Feb 14 19:48:50 timeless: I think we are now closer to a proper tablet UX compared to the windows that came ont he ideapad, some of the missing apps could be implemented as well :) Feb 14 19:49:30 http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt Feb 14 19:50:31 Andy80: I ended up getting these drivers working http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php Feb 14 19:50:53 Well, I'll give up. No way of converting bin images whitout .cue with bchunk Feb 14 19:51:58 Andy80: brcm and b43 failed hard when I tried those routes, and even broadcom-wl was a huge pain. I had to rewrite a few lines in their code, and recompile the meego kernel to get it working :-/ Feb 14 19:52:25 I think I'll wait for an update then... I don't have time to try to build it myself Feb 14 19:52:42 Sorry... it's Glen Gray that maintains the package. Feb 14 19:52:44 rumor has it that brcm is going to start working for reals any day now Feb 14 19:53:02 I get instant OOPs when I try it though right now Feb 14 19:53:06 Wow what a shitty week, Nokia becomes Microsoft's butt-buddy and Peter Forsberg is retiring again. :( Feb 14 19:53:23 blizzow: #meego-bar , that kind of talk is better over beer Feb 14 19:54:42 ab: I have a question ... Feb 14 19:54:59 is there a small gui tool to test the output of a quillfilter plugin ? Feb 14 19:55:57 vlj, http://maemo.gitorious.org/meego-image-editor/qt-image-editor-demo Feb 14 19:56:37 ab: thx... it needs some dependency besides qt ? Feb 14 19:56:39 there are few demo UIs there Feb 14 19:57:04 vlj: If you had a question about spacic, that is mine Feb 14 19:57:15 Although I am not actively maintaining it, just donated the code Feb 14 19:57:17 spacic ? Feb 14 19:57:20 vlj, nope, only quill libraries Feb 14 19:57:30 if you do notknow what it is, do not worry Feb 14 19:57:45 that our badly hidden gem :) Feb 14 19:57:50 ok Feb 14 19:57:59 there are lots of gems which need polishing ab :) Feb 14 19:58:06 lcuk, that's right. Feb 14 20:01:35 f**k, it's becoming a match between e and my computer. Please teach me how to run handset image on virtualbox... It should be compliant with emulated standard architecture isn't it? Feb 14 20:02:11 hirabayashitaro: handset requires gles/egl support and i'm not sure VBox supports that Feb 14 20:03:16 nah, vbox does gl only via chromiumgl Feb 14 20:03:37 Actually, doesn't all meego require gles/egl for 1.2 ? Feb 14 20:04:23 Stskeeps: vbox supports opengl2 Feb 14 20:04:29 not sure about gles Feb 14 20:05:07 hmm ... so how do you exit the settings in this new UX ? Feb 14 20:05:16 lbt: windows button Feb 14 20:05:24 i think the idea is to use a switch button on the hw Feb 14 20:05:49 ah... I had the screen in 'tablet' mode :) Feb 14 20:05:50 thanks Feb 14 20:06:51 anyway my problem is simpler. I cannot mount the image to start the virtual machine Feb 14 20:07:06 on the demo hw they were using the proximity sensor as button =) Feb 14 20:07:17 wasn't that a n900 trick? Feb 14 20:07:58 yeah Feb 14 20:08:00 (also) Feb 14 20:08:03 javispedro: so "jedi mind trick" to go back to the home screen? Feb 14 20:08:25 javispedro: "these are not the droids you're looking for" Feb 14 20:08:35 heh Feb 14 20:08:53 someone should use the webcam to recognise a vulcan salute as a gesture to close a window Feb 14 20:09:05 I think Androidekas actually mandate front buttons Feb 14 20:09:25 hmm, interesting that WebOS IRC has actually a lot less people than MeeGo, probably much smaller community and people in interest Feb 14 20:09:31 Stskeeps: why not use the accelerometer to recognize the beating-at-the-desk gesture? Feb 14 20:09:55 also smaller development team Feb 14 20:10:00 javispedro: so how was the WebOS? Feb 14 20:10:16 dev event is tomorrow Feb 14 20:10:17 this gives me a feeling, that if HP invests in WebOS, which is actually less liked than MeeGo, it's very sad that Nokia dropped MeeGo Feb 14 20:10:46 * javispedro knows that this will end in a "better move over to the #bar ;) " Feb 14 20:11:12 even without any marketing from Nokia, MeeGo already is very well known in the world Feb 14 20:11:25 re again Feb 14 20:11:32 ah ok sorry Feb 14 20:11:33 :D Feb 14 20:11:36 nokia has not dropped meego Feb 14 20:11:40 I know Feb 14 20:11:45 lpotter: put this in the topic :) Feb 14 20:11:46 javispedro: We can just go to #maemo, it is more friendly there Feb 14 20:11:59 but Nokia stated that will release 1 device and then long pause to decide what next Feb 14 20:12:03 what a semi-drop Feb 14 20:12:07 javispedro: politics are a large portion of the discussions there :) Feb 14 20:13:08 i wonder if someone has done facial gestures cursor control for handicapped people Feb 14 20:13:09 I agree that this is for bar, sorry again Feb 14 20:13:16 oop same here Feb 14 20:16:57 btw, for anybody in interest to follow me on quality and open source stuff as well as architecting good web backend for mobile apps, follow me on twitter Feb 14 20:18:47 wonder if device will actualy be a phone.. Feb 14 20:25:50 does anybody know if Intel is going to have any event yet? (at MWC), they showed some device today, but very quickly, without detail Feb 14 20:26:41 valianholt: be patient, time will come Feb 14 20:26:59 forcer: and that means yes? :D Feb 14 20:27:11 valianholt: I hope so :) Feb 14 20:27:14 forcer: :) Feb 14 20:28:32 actually, is there already a lot of MeeGo x86 software for handsets? (developed on Aava) or most of the software is ARM? Feb 14 20:28:46 anyhow, how difficult is the porting? Feb 14 20:29:03 easy Feb 14 20:29:16 if you build for meego api you're pretty guaranteed it Feb 14 20:29:19 ll build for both Feb 14 20:29:46 great, so there are no worries that ARM handset repositories will be full and x86 lacking Feb 14 20:30:00 everything is in one big trunk atm Feb 14 20:30:11 because I am really considering upcoming Aava Feb 14 20:30:28 Aava is fordevelopers onlyAFAIK Feb 14 20:30:38 no consumer sales Feb 14 20:30:41 as I owned openmoko once, I like open phones, just from the idea Feb 14 20:30:48 I know Feb 14 20:30:57 but how they restrict selling only to devs? Feb 14 20:31:05 I can register as developer right? Feb 14 20:31:07 by charging 2300 eur Feb 14 20:31:07 :P Feb 14 20:31:59 but the price is too high, even if I want to be a dev, but studying or so, I can't afford it Feb 14 20:32:07 :nod: Feb 14 20:32:13 which is why arm is attractive ;) Feb 14 20:32:28 openmoko has also low volume of sales and is a lot cheaper (yes I consider even fact it's on old HW) Feb 14 20:32:53 valia: they restrict by charging you $1500+ Feb 14 20:34:01 :-/ Feb 14 20:35:13 Can please someone explain me what is part of meego project and what is created and maneged by the various companies adopting it? Feb 14 20:36:12 I mean, if this is not fake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9yBigBW6c and Intel is developing a pad environment, in which way it will be related to meego bug system & co. Feb 14 20:36:45 hirabayashitaro: ok, so, meego is a platform where there exists reference user experiences for Feb 14 20:36:48 hey, the ui on that video is different that the one I saw. Feb 14 20:36:54 *from the one Feb 14 20:37:04 javispedro: i think after you customize it a bit it gets like that Feb 14 20:37:23 hirabayashitaro: each of the components in the platform is maintained by someone Feb 14 20:37:45 hirabayashitaro: intel's UX is technically a product built on top of meego. Feb 14 20:37:55 javispedro: what video? Feb 14 20:38:06 hirabayashitaro: but not part of meego, like handset UX is Feb 14 20:38:09 (yet) Feb 14 20:38:20 mihero: see a few lines above. Feb 14 20:39:06 ah, there. should prolly get glasses Feb 14 20:39:43 Stskeeps: aren't you thinking that this tablet ux would make for a nice meegotouch-home? ;) Feb 14 20:39:59 javispedro: see my twitter for my thoughs Feb 14 20:40:01 ts Feb 14 20:40:01 :P Feb 14 20:40:06 Stskeeps: fine, and how all is managed? I mean, what is part of Meego and what is built on it? Are there some reference applications such as media player or something or is simply a platform where anyone will develop his own ones? Feb 14 20:40:25 hirabayashitaro: that's handled using the requirements process - there's reference applications Feb 14 20:40:37 but in most cases people will build upon those reference apps or make their own Feb 14 20:41:12 hirabayashitaro: if it's not on repo.meego.com, it's not part of meego releases ;) Feb 14 20:42:10 Stskeeps: I see. But I suppose there will be many additional software based on meego, and I'd like to understand how this part of the project will be managed Feb 14 20:42:37 hirabayashitaro: that's handled through the compliance process where you get told if you're allowed to use meego trademark Feb 14 20:43:41 javispedro: and please retwit Feb 14 20:43:43 javispedro: :) Feb 14 20:44:07 Stskeeps: So probably in the future there will be many application that will be "approved" and distributed by some unified service, isn't it? Feb 14 20:44:19 sivang: still mostly a twitter non-user, sivang Feb 14 20:44:30 javispedro: so was I a minute a go Feb 14 20:44:35 hirabayashitaro: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/Compliance Feb 14 20:44:42 javispedro: it is quite confusing what's going there, I don't like twitter so much Feb 14 20:44:54 javispedro: you know for a vi person...:-p Feb 14 20:46:35 sivang: Are you saying that twitter now has a vim interface? Feb 14 20:46:49 :-p Feb 14 20:48:13 sivang: but it is on short term TODO list to try it =) Feb 14 20:53:38 gabrbedd: I wish! so is meego wiki Feb 14 20:53:43 gabrbedd: and facebook :) Feb 14 20:53:59 javispedro: yep, I figured Stskeeps's call is a good time to retry it Feb 14 20:54:30 javispedro: it is a problem when you become too much filled with Python Zen. (explicity is better than implicit) Feb 14 20:57:23 I'm trying to dual boot my N900 but it's failing with unable to find "boot.scr" - i'm following these instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot Feb 14 20:57:48 tarantism_: ignore the boot.scr thing, it's uImage it needs to look after Feb 14 20:57:56 if you dont have uImage on partition 3, you're dong something wrong Feb 14 20:58:37 stskeeps: ok. Didn't see anything about uImage. I'll have a look for that. Feb 14 20:59:29 so... any news about that shiny tablet UX? Feb 14 20:59:30 I've watched a few videos and it's quite impressive Feb 14 20:59:58 grab it and try it out Feb 14 20:59:58 :P Feb 14 21:00:38 Stskeeps: where to grab it? Feb 14 21:00:45 Stskeeps: I read the specification, but I still have some boubts. But I suppose that the problem is that I'm not very well aware of how this kind of things works. Feb 14 21:01:14 Venemo: http://intel.ly/gq8OTA Feb 14 21:01:23 hirabayashitaro: takes some time to get around it all, yeah Feb 14 21:01:25 thanks Stskeeps Feb 14 21:02:10 Stskeeps: Something that I don't get is: 1_There will be something like a repository for supported packages? Feb 14 21:02:45 2_There will be some site providing applications like the one for maemo? Feb 14 21:02:51 Stskeeps: any builds for ARM? Feb 14 21:03:16 hirabayashitaro: yes. AppUp store for paid apps and community OBS for community apps Feb 14 21:03:22 Venemo: no, it's not contributed to meego yet Feb 14 21:03:32 Stskeeps: :( Feb 14 21:06:20 hirabayashitaro: #1 http://repo.meego.com/ Feb 14 21:06:43 hirabayashitaro: #2 http://www.appup.com/applications/index Feb 14 21:07:41 Stskeeps, Venemo: MeeGo support for AppUp is definately planned. Feb 14 21:08:21 gabrbedd: yes, that's what I said too :) Feb 14 21:08:50 Bah! I though Stskeeps was responding to your AppUp comment... sorry. Feb 14 21:09:28 Thanks. It's kinda clearer now Feb 14 21:15:40 * jausmus sighs at uninformed media coverage of tablet... :( Feb 14 21:16:08 open development is har Feb 14 21:16:09 d Feb 14 21:16:14 :) Feb 14 21:16:55 yeah, ppl just don't understand Feb 14 21:17:13 i think it's great, personally, can see a lot of potential in it, but it really needs to be in meego.com in order to not confuse people and to raise the motivation to base on top of meego :P Feb 14 21:17:28 but that's not something you (jausmus) decides :P Feb 14 21:17:33 very true :) Feb 14 21:17:46 but hopefully we'll see more about this in the short term once dust settles Feb 14 21:18:33 in the meantime, if you see anyone repeating what one review said about not being able to remove/reorder the panels, kindly point them in my direction so I can clear up the confusion? :) Feb 14 21:18:50 Stskeeps: I'm doing something dumb but can't see it. I format the card using sudo mkfs.ext2 -L Meego /dev/mmcblk0p1 then write the image using sudo dd bs=4096 if=meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 Feb 14 21:18:54 jausmus: you tap the button to turn them around and then manage panels, right Feb 14 21:18:56 tarantism_: drop the p1 Feb 14 21:18:57 all the stuff in appUp is for Windows 7 Feb 14 21:19:28 f*** me that was quick Feb 14 21:20:08 my personal worry is that we'll ship reference UX'es for 1.2 that suck, really :) Feb 14 21:20:10 Stskeeps: for hiding the panel, it's right on the back of the panel - "Hide panel" - for moving, you just grab the "dot grid" icon on the top right of the panel, drag and drop (on the front of the panel) Feb 14 21:20:27 jausmus: :nod: Feb 14 21:20:38 Last question before going back to my study for tomorrow's exam: I opened an enhancement proposal for a feature about contacts in meego handset. If it will meant to be, It will be part of meego "core" or part of the external contacts managing application? Feb 14 21:20:51 Stskeeps, UI sells these days. Feb 14 21:21:02 iOS set the bar particularly high. Feb 14 21:21:14 GAN900: yes, which is also why a horrible reference UX will make people not want to base on meego :P Feb 14 21:21:25 hirabayashitaro: you should aim for "core" feature, as to make it work on all contacts apps Feb 14 21:21:36 our UI sucks so badly, I am having to rethink and rewrite the whole damned thing Feb 14 21:21:45 (our being LinuxMCE) Feb 14 21:21:51 Stskeeps, the tablet UX demo isn't particularly encouraging. Feb 14 21:22:03 TSCHAKeee, I agree. *g* Feb 14 21:22:23 GAN900: ok, maybe it's just that i understand what it represents in terms of code and simplicity of actually getting to that UI Feb 14 21:22:31 GAN900: I didn't write the damned thing. I'm just the one who has taken on the task of reinventing it. Feb 14 21:22:50 TSCHAKeee, I'm sorry. :P Feb 14 21:22:53 GAN900: and how to build a product on top of it Feb 14 21:22:54 GAN900: do you have particular concerns about the UI? Feb 14 21:23:35 I do like the fact that the UI felt smooth on my pinetrail netbook Feb 14 21:23:42 the only exception was inside the web browser Feb 14 21:23:46 jausmus: where? Feb 14 21:23:47 jausmus, I have concerns about how it's going to be received by the OEMs, journalists and consumers who are going to play a big part in how much buy-in the platform gets. Feb 14 21:23:47 Ops, It was not last... But this is. where is the place for feature suggest? I used bug system, but I suppose I did it wrong Feb 14 21:24:05 *suggestions Feb 14 21:24:06 GAN900: you're not..really..answering his question. Feb 14 21:24:17 :) Feb 14 21:24:32 you've deflected an opinion Feb 14 21:24:36 hirabayashitaro: bug system, features Feb 14 21:24:36 with a percieved opinion Feb 14 21:24:56 erm answered, i mean Feb 14 21:25:14 TSCHAKeee, don't have time to write up a blow-by-blow of where I think it needs improvement. Feb 14 21:25:19 If there's something you don't like - let us know - I obviously can't guarantee any action on it, but you won't effect any change without at least saying what you want to change! :) Feb 14 21:25:33 GAN900: do you have time to do ANYTHING besides talk shit? ;) Feb 14 21:25:54 Just generally airing my agreement with Stskeeps that I think it's important. Feb 14 21:26:00 TSCHAKeee, sadly, no. :( Feb 14 21:26:08 GAN900: i'll quote you on that! Feb 14 21:26:09 :P Feb 14 21:26:10 Unless you count my small contributions to mwkn Feb 14 21:26:16 Which might be more shit. Feb 14 21:27:22 Stskeeps: so I did the right procedure opening a bug marked as enhancement, right? Feb 14 21:28:16 hirabayashitaro: sortof, if it was in the Core OS Features component Feb 14 21:29:12 It was not, can I move it? Feb 14 21:29:31 yeah Feb 14 21:34:03 Stskeeps: The problem is that there is no cantacts section in Core OS (maybe because cantacts are, as far as I know, managed by differend systemsdon netbood and handset) Feb 14 21:34:17 hirabayashitaro: there's contacts middleware i think Feb 14 21:34:23 yeah, netbook is always a bit of wtf.. Feb 14 21:35:33 Stskeeps: Nope, only voip e IM Feb 14 21:35:53 hirabayashitaro: hmm. Feb 14 21:37:40 hirabayashitaro: what's a 'cantact'? Feb 14 21:38:29 Venemo: Is a 'contact' Feb 14 21:39:00 ok, sorry Feb 14 21:39:39 Venemo: and is a typo :D Feb 14 21:39:55 np Feb 14 21:41:55 must reboot Feb 14 21:46:57 Stskeeps: Thanks - that fixed it - I know that I'm running a really old image but why is it _so_ slow? Feb 14 21:50:14 i'd really like to understand what it's doing with its half billion ops per second Feb 14 21:50:51 sounds like one hell of an IRC channnel Feb 14 21:51:13 tarantism_, the usual, thinking about its hair and makeup, what to have for tea, whether the cute app in the corner saw it looking, shining screen, polishing buttons. Feb 14 21:51:37 lcuk: I have one working node atm :o Feb 14 21:51:52 lcuk: this has perplexed me for years Feb 14 21:52:41 tarantism_, me too, thats why I resolved to avoid it where possible Feb 14 21:52:45 I suspect that alot of it could be eliminated: especially the thinking about whether to have tea - just have tea!! Feb 14 21:53:18 tarantism_, lol Feb 14 21:53:33 CosmoHill, :D you are awesome, how easy now is it to add more? Feb 14 21:58:32 I'm gonna do some quick testing and I need to sort out the IPs Feb 14 21:58:38 some failed and never got an IP Feb 14 21:59:05 so node 1 is 0.0.0.1 node 2 is 0.0.0.2 node 3 is 0.0.0.4 etc Feb 14 21:59:21 swap 3 and 4 around Feb 14 22:02:43 lcuk: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cosmo_cluster/desk4.jpg I replaced the middle monitor with a 22", 1080p viewsonic today :D Feb 14 22:03:19 CosmoHill, photos like that need 2d barcodes on each screen. Feb 14 22:03:37 then using complex software a tiled uniform display could be made out of them automatically :P Feb 14 22:03:43 some mock up matrix hacking screen Feb 14 22:05:11 one I actually get windows and rocks install and configured the way I want, I can then deploy them to all nodes and create the dual boot PXE Feb 14 22:05:44 CosmoHill, sweet Feb 14 22:06:10 however it's like, two steps forward, a slide down a snake Feb 14 22:06:39 such is life. Feb 14 22:06:46 such is windows Feb 14 22:08:43 CosmoHill, are you bored @ home? Feb 14 22:09:19 yes but that's unrelated to my discussion with lcuk Feb 14 22:09:55 :) Feb 14 22:10:21 I'm comparing Windows and Linux computing nodes for my dissertation Feb 14 22:10:53 hey. Is it worth to buy a class 10 microSD card for meego on n900? Feb 14 22:11:21 depends, it would improve loading times but I'd have a look at prices for class 10 and class 8 Feb 14 22:11:53 it there is a small difference in price then go for the class 10, otherwise the glass 8 would be fine Feb 14 22:11:59 So class 8 might still be ok? Maybe I can find a decent class 8 32gb card Feb 14 22:12:23 some people are using classes 4 and 6 for the n900 iirc Feb 14 22:12:30 I have the suddend urge to give MeeGo a try since last Friday ;) Feb 14 22:13:05 in that case I'd go for a couple of 8GB Class 10 Feb 14 22:13:45 fyi meego takes a long time to boot the first time so don't worry Feb 14 22:14:18 Just for the first boot or on every boot (not that I boot my phone very often though)? Feb 14 22:14:29 first boot from an clean install Feb 14 22:14:40 ah ok. That's not an issue Feb 14 22:15:01 just letting you know incase you worried that you bought a bad card Feb 14 22:15:10 hehe Feb 14 22:15:33 just having seen something on Phoronix, are people really stupid enough to build Linux systems with PowerVR? Feb 14 22:15:40 You suggested buying a couple? Is that a good choice for experimenting or will one 16+gb card do? Feb 14 22:15:47 it's as if they're trying to make it imcompatable / buggy Feb 14 22:16:19 from a developer point of view you'd have a couple for different images Feb 14 22:16:35 or one for meego and one for your actually stuff since installing meego formats the card Feb 14 22:17:34 from my point of view it's to avoid data lose, if I can get 500 images per GB, the bigger the card the larger the potential lose. however compact flash is relative large compared to microSD Feb 14 22:19:42 So if I just want it for development right now, would one SD card be fine? I mean, once it's installed it should be able to access the normal phone memory for the "data". Feb 14 22:21:15 not owning a N900 I can't answer that Feb 14 22:21:25 ah ok. Thanks anyway! Feb 14 22:22:17 Will it be possible to install Meego on the Harmattan device? Feb 14 22:22:54 ie will it be forward compatible with plain meego? Feb 14 22:24:35 trumee: there might be something about that on the wiki / forum / mailing list Feb 14 22:25:07 CosmoHill, right will google that Feb 14 22:25:27 does meego have sip support? Feb 14 22:25:40 trumee: it can, even if it does not have it yet Feb 14 22:25:45 I can't say what that is Feb 14 22:25:55 CosmoHill: software internet phone Feb 14 22:25:58 I think Feb 14 22:26:26 trumee: are you thinking building hardware internet phones using meego's core? Feb 14 22:26:32 like snom for instance Feb 14 22:26:42 On maemo sip/rtp was a failure (maemo Bug 10388) Feb 14 22:26:44 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 tri, Low, ---, janne.hietamaki, CLOS WONTFIX, Support blocked field for test results Feb 14 22:27:10 best not to use the word "bug" and numbers in the same line 38 Feb 14 22:27:27 sivang, no i am hoping harmattan has decent sip support and not broken like maemo Feb 14 22:28:16 trumee: where is it broken with maemo? I never tried it, only skype and it is superb. Feb 14 22:28:40 sivang, check out the bug 8 mentioned. Feb 14 22:28:42 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8 maj, Medium, ---, peng.li, VERI FIXED, [Qt demos] opengl/Sample Buffers failed due to not support sample buffer Feb 14 22:28:55 * trumee doesn't gives a rat ass about skype Feb 14 22:28:56 trumee: checking Feb 14 22:29:32 trumee: why not? it is a superb service. a great scare for monopolozized operators in here, as well as joikuspot Feb 14 22:29:43 * sivang notes Maemo is much freedom comapred to any other platform Feb 14 22:29:55 sivang, also there is a huge thread on tmo about choppy audio which is referenced in that bug report Feb 14 22:30:33 sivang, Sip gives me more independence than skype. Feb 14 22:30:58 wb lc Feb 14 22:31:08 ah, wrong person Feb 14 22:31:15 trumee: I never had to need more then skype, and for me it is more reliable through very bad 3G data and crappy public wan Feb 14 22:32:41 sivang, skype doesnt work for me. good for you if it does Feb 14 22:33:08 trumee: I see. so this bug is bout opengl and qml, hos is related to sip codec performance? Feb 14 22:33:23 CosmoHill: err, sip is not what I said. 'session initiation protocol' Feb 14 22:33:31 sivang, crap hang on. maybe wrong bug # Feb 14 22:33:38 CosmoHill: that might be better known Feb 14 22:33:54 * sivang likes freeSWITCH a lot Feb 14 22:34:03 and mod sofia developed by Nokia :-) Feb 14 22:34:25 sivang, http://test.maemo.org/testzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Feb 14 22:34:41 sivang, N900 doesnt ork well with FreeSwitch Feb 14 22:35:11 * trumee has both asterisk and freeswitch servers Feb 14 22:35:40 sivang, check the bottom of the bug report for a wav file Feb 14 22:37:43 trumee: well, you said there is a bug in sip or sluggish audio? (this is actually bug in the codec, as sip is very close to http ) Feb 14 22:38:13 sivang, yes it is more of an rtp issue Feb 14 22:38:47 trumee: right, and yo are not using srtp yes? Feb 14 22:39:04 sivang, no. dont think N900 supports srtp Feb 14 22:39:35 ok Feb 14 22:39:36 sivang, my question is whether somebody is testing meego for sip/rtp or not. Feb 14 22:39:55 trumee: good question, let's head over to meego-qa although most people are asleep there or out for the day Feb 14 22:40:06 trumee: better yet, can you post a thread to meego-qa ml? Feb 14 22:40:17 trumee: that will make sure there is a response Feb 14 22:40:31 sivang, yup. could do that Feb 14 22:40:44 it's between 10:40pm and 12:40am for most of europe Feb 14 22:41:02 trumee: I would be very thankful if you do and will try find an answer. Feb 14 22:41:17 trumee: can you please CC me directly onto the mail to the ML? Feb 14 22:41:40 sivang, ok Feb 14 22:41:53 trumee: appreciated, thanks. Feb 14 22:42:10 trumee: you have my email? Feb 14 22:42:29 sivang, would need that. Feb 14 22:42:56 sivang, does meego care about maemo bugs? Feb 14 22:43:09 sivang: he also has your number and home address, infact he's over the street in that bush Feb 14 22:43:19 CosmoHill: hehe, I'll start screaming Feb 14 22:43:26 * sivang screams in panic Feb 14 22:43:37 roger that, I'll listen out for a girl Feb 14 22:44:07 trumee, no. Feb 14 22:44:57 GAN900, gstreamer libraries are shared between maemo and meego. and the bug is in gstreamer. Feb 14 22:45:11 trumee: if the same module used for that in maemo is now used in meego then the bug might have been propogated there, however, I a not so sure about how power saving is working on handset meego right now, so it might not symptomize just yet. Better email the -dev and -qa MLs and we see tomorrow Feb 14 22:45:25 trumee: where's the evidence it is in gstreamer? Feb 14 22:45:31 trumee: (/me reads on) Feb 14 22:46:15 sivang, it is an rtpjitterbuffer issue which sits in gstreamer Feb 14 22:48:48 what's the arg to find to scavange for symlinks? Feb 14 22:49:27 trumee: ok, is there a patch somewhere already? Feb 14 22:50:11 sivang, no. it is still not solved Feb 14 22:50:51 trumee: I am going to test it, I am preparing a meego boot for my N900 as we speak Feb 14 22:51:09 trumee: but I don't know if there is a sip UI in the current handset UX Feb 14 22:51:11 * sivang will check Feb 14 22:51:37 sivang, thanks Feb 14 22:52:42 trumee: I guess I need to setup freswitch for that or asterisk or just use some free sip provider? Feb 14 22:52:53 e.g., I want to register to the pbx etc Feb 14 22:53:24 sivang, yes Feb 14 22:53:40 trumee: k Feb 14 22:54:22 sivang, if you have any UI let me know, i will setup access to * for you Feb 14 22:57:17 trumee: ah great, save me pulling hairs with asterisk or freeswitch. Although freeswitch is mych more saner in my taste Feb 14 23:14:06 FYI, since some of you have been asking for an update from Intel: http://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/update-intel Feb 14 23:19:00 thanks DawnFoster and thank Imad for us too :) Feb 14 23:22:34 Will MeeGo APIs still be Qt based? Feb 14 23:27:39 dragan: ask the TSG Feb 14 23:29:47 sivang, you received my email? Feb 14 23:30:41 sivang, i didnt receive any confirmation email from meego-qa list, so not sure if it went through or not Feb 14 23:36:54 hey guys, do apps running on MeeGo 1.1 core will automaticly run on Nokia N900? Feb 14 23:38:59 i don't understand the question Feb 14 23:39:19 will app from 1.1 core run on the n900? Feb 14 23:39:26 sure, if they are installed Feb 14 23:40:46 trumee: you ad to register Feb 14 23:40:50 trumee: did you register? Feb 14 23:41:12 sivang, yes i did register on meego.com Feb 14 23:41:37 trumee: okay, send a hi to the mailing list and let's if I see it as well Feb 14 23:41:41 trip0, yeah thats what i mean.. ive been using the N900 and i just checked meego.com and so there is a live image of Meego 1.1 to b downloaded Feb 14 23:42:05 so i was wondering if an applications is running on that core software, it means it will run just fine on the N900 device Feb 14 23:42:32 sivang, i cc'ed the email to you Feb 14 23:44:16 drag0nz: do you mean an N900 running MeeGo? Feb 14 23:44:24 drag0nz: or do you mean an N900 running Maemo 5? Feb 14 23:44:34 if you meant the latter, note that you may need to recompile Feb 14 23:48:28 trumee: yes, I see I thik it is okay. if you got no error from qa then it is there. Feb 14 23:48:37 trumee: in the mailing list, so peopel will see it in the morning Feb 14 23:49:10 sivang, right Feb 14 23:50:51 http://www.concept-phones.com/nokia/nokia-n950-brings-twist-original-design-n900/ Feb 14 23:51:16 thiago, yea, thanks Feb 14 23:53:09 http://nsuffys.blogspot.com/2011/02/un-successeur-au-nokia-n900-le-nokia.html Feb 14 23:53:40 hmm, why can't I find raw images from here: Feb 14 23:54:03 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ Feb 14 23:54:10 I want a recent daily Feb 14 23:55:36 sivang: I think they are weekly now, in the 1.1.90/ directory Feb 14 23:55:39 hey! it is here :) Feb 14 23:55:41 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.90/1.1.90.2.20110208.4/handset/images/meego-handset-ia32-pinetrail-mtf/ Feb 14 23:55:53 is this the intel UX? Feb 14 23:56:01 for the n900 ? Feb 14 23:56:13 berndhs: when has this changed? Feb 14 23:56:22 no idea, I didn't do it :) Feb 15 00:01:12 sivang: definitely not an N900 image Feb 15 00:01:24 N900 is ARM / pinetrail is Intel Feb 15 00:01:36 DawnFoster: it said handset ;) my bad Feb 15 00:02:00 oh and has ia32 Feb 15 00:02:02 geez Feb 15 00:02:07 I haz ta sleep Feb 15 00:02:16 you better haz sleep Feb 15 00:02:25 whic IIRC is 'Intel Architecture' right? Feb 15 00:02:29 32bit Feb 15 00:02:54 auke: good night! Feb 15 00:03:05 * sivang nights all Feb 15 00:03:31 bye bye person Feb 15 00:07:05 CosmoHill: I hope I still am :) Feb 15 00:07:10 * sivang -> zleep Feb 15 00:10:06 thiago_home: ping Feb 15 00:14:11 anyone else find it questionable that there is 4 people / nicks in here from xob.kapi.fr ? Feb 15 00:18:07 why is that unusual ? Feb 15 00:19:07 just seems weird Feb 15 00:19:20 some people will have a nick for work and one for home Feb 15 00:19:22 maybe they're taking over Feb 15 00:25:45 an interesting and disturbing program on bbc3 Feb 15 00:54:48 Hey sorry for being dense here, but after watching a few elop videos I'm getting the impression Windows>Symbian... but MeeGo seperate non-phone project (was always a successor to the Maemo tablet project anyway) and is unaffected? Feb 15 01:05:06 It's my understanding that Nokia has contractual obligations with Intel to fulfill, probably involving the release of a phone using Intel hardware. I assume only the executivs know if current Nokia involvement is just going through the motions until the contract is done, a medium-term hedge, or a long-term strategy. Feb 15 01:05:23 This is all speculation, though. Feb 15 01:08:45 yeah predictions are unreliable, especially about the future Feb 15 01:13:47 jrayhawk: generally contracts with such obligations would have a penalty clause for failing to meet it Feb 15 01:14:01 and the penalty is generally less than the general value of the contract Feb 15 01:14:17 whichmeans that assuming such a clause existed, it'd still save money Feb 15 01:14:34 note that i have absolutely zero knowledge of any contracts Feb 15 01:14:44 so i'm willing to believe no such obligations exist Feb 15 01:14:57 but either way, if you're trying to save money, cutting and running can do that Feb 15 01:15:16 my speculation is that this deal is done in large part to weaken the position of the symbian faction Feb 15 01:15:34 kinda a waste Feb 15 01:15:41 symbian was going to die one way or the other Feb 15 01:15:57 and any idiot working on symbian who couldn't see that gets what [s]he deserves Feb 15 01:16:07 yes, but at the moment they are the only source of income Feb 15 01:16:15 false Feb 15 01:16:19 income comes from s40 Feb 15 01:17:13 symbian still was miuch stronger than the rest, they actually have produt Feb 15 01:17:19 *product Feb 15 01:17:21 * timeless fails trying to find values for s40 Feb 15 01:17:30 s40 has products too Feb 15 01:17:32 the rest of them don't at present Feb 15 01:17:56 yes but an old cheap one, nothing to move ahead Feb 15 01:18:29 but as I said its speculation, seeing that the symbian folks are seriously weakened now Feb 15 01:19:08 and an outsider gets the blame Feb 15 01:19:14 anyway.... most people see android + apple eating symbian's top side Feb 15 01:19:21 and some other groups eating s40's market Feb 15 01:19:24 certainly yes Feb 15 01:19:50 but yeah, it's kinda lame, people in finland will blame a foreigner for "killing their economy" Feb 15 01:19:59 where the fault lies with the management from the past decade Feb 15 01:20:33 nokia vs nokia? Feb 15 01:20:38 fwiw, i consider symbian OT for this channel Feb 15 01:21:01 also a lot of what Elop said was talking to investors Feb 15 01:21:26 berndhs: you mean at an investor event, he'd talk to investors? unbelievable! Feb 15 01:21:36 yeah strange isn't it Feb 15 01:21:42 berndhs: having 5 nicks might not be odd but it's annoying when they all come and go at once Feb 15 01:21:44 absolutely shocking! Feb 15 01:22:07 anyway, part of his job is to set expectations Feb 15 01:22:11 I only have 3 nicks, and use them one at a time :) Feb 15 01:22:21 and part of his job is to clean up the company Feb 15 01:22:31 it seems like he's working on both Feb 15 01:22:36 which i guess means he's doing his job Feb 15 01:22:42 sure Feb 15 01:22:55 if the product stragegy works, who knows Feb 15 01:23:08 * timeless shrugs Feb 15 01:23:31 he needed a strategy which would provide for a number of devices by a certain time Feb 15 01:23:36 success could be based on better 3D, better 4G, or shinier buttons Feb 15 01:23:38 and he needed to kill Ovi Feb 15 01:23:52 meego as designed in house was not going to enable Ovi to be killed Feb 15 01:23:56 which is unfortunate Feb 15 01:24:11 symbian as designed in house also didn't enable anyone to kill Ovi Feb 15 01:24:27 killing Ovi is important. and it will die. yay! Feb 15 01:24:33 [celebrate] Feb 15 01:24:54 probably yoo many factions blocking any movement inside teh company Feb 15 01:25:09 nah, we have lots of movement Feb 15 01:25:16 in lots of conflicting directions! Feb 15 01:25:28 right Feb 15 01:25:34 however, back to meego, Imad made a really important point - most investment and work in meego has been from intel Feb 15 01:25:37 ever watch those videos that try to explain hot gas atoms to children? Feb 15 01:25:39 it's like that Feb 15 01:25:56 berndhs: he's absolutely correct Feb 15 01:26:22 yes i see the point, lots of movement and no forward progress Feb 15 01:26:33 you must have taken a physics class Feb 15 01:26:39 several :P Feb 15 01:27:05 here it's more important to go speeding around [in circles] than to have a useful velocity :/ Feb 15 01:27:26 * timeless is hoping that will change Feb 15 01:29:39 i tried the latest handset image on my laptop, it connects ipv6 automatically Feb 15 01:36:08 cyas Feb 15 01:36:21 night Feb 15 01:48:41 timeless: what do you think of http://nokiaplanb.com/ ? Feb 15 01:49:43 they're deluded Feb 15 01:50:21 isn't hiring preference by age illegal in most places now ? not that it isn't done anyway Feb 15 01:50:32 Return ..to a strategy ..through ..unrivaled user experience. Feb 15 01:50:47 not something nokia really ever had Feb 15 01:51:53 Venemo: that also can't spell Qt correctly Feb 15 01:51:58 which is hardly a glowing advertisement Feb 15 01:52:17 hehe Feb 15 01:52:58 maybe to focused on apple Feb 15 01:53:07 s/to/too/ Feb 15 01:53:09 berndhs meant: maybe too focused on apple Feb 15 01:53:20 not announcing their intention to terminate Ovi also doesn't win my vote Feb 15 01:53:37 some of their points aren't bad Feb 15 01:53:41 but they're missing key points Feb 15 01:53:53 e.g. getting rid of nearly all management layers Feb 15 01:54:14 personally, i'd buy the company, and then terminate everyone and take the money and give it back to the share holders Feb 15 01:54:26 people could then start a new company if they wanted Feb 15 01:55:15 * timeless wonders how nokia's book value compares to its stock value Feb 15 01:55:19 isn't ownership widely dispersed ? as in, nobody even owns 2 % ? Feb 15 01:55:27 sadly Feb 15 02:00:27 http://www.nokia.com/NOKIA_COM_1/About_Nokia/Financials/Financial_Statements/pdf_2009/Shares_09.pdf seems to indicate they have ~4billion shares Feb 15 02:01:07 http://ycharts.com/companies/NOK/cash_on_hand claims 13billion[usd] Feb 15 02:01:30 darn Feb 15 02:01:57 so, price would need to drop to ~3USD/share Feb 15 02:02:48 Anything new today on MWC? Except Medfield and the tablet UI preview? Feb 15 02:04:35 http://www.google.com/search?q=mobile+world+congress+2011 Feb 15 02:04:40 err Feb 15 02:04:43 * timeless kicks google Feb 15 02:05:02 http://www.google.com/search?q=mobile+world+congress+2011#q=mobile+world+congress+2011&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn&fp=cad9a61cefb45d7 Feb 15 02:06:36 well, I also know how to use Google News. Asked about it to see if I missed anything. Feb 15 02:10:21 http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/.hg/patches/apache-gzip <- is the full patch Feb 15 02:10:55 http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/mxr-test/source/.hg/patches/apache-gzip?raw=1 <- is the full patch as served with gzip Feb 15 02:10:58 * timeless hopes Feb 15 02:14:15 Hello everyone! Anybody helps me? Feb 15 02:14:16 I try to develop a tool to monitor the CPU usage for every process in Meego. Which API can I use? Feb 15 02:14:49 /proc? Feb 15 02:15:39 develop a tool , I inout the process ID. Feb 15 02:16:03 Then monitor the cpu usage continuly Feb 15 02:16:05 Or BSD process accounting v3, but that has an data/expense tradeoff. Feb 15 02:17:04 elsa and bootchart are examples of existing BSD PAv3 monitors. Feb 15 02:20:00 and top and gkrellm are examples of /proc pollers. Feb 15 02:20:39 and conky Feb 15 02:20:53 grr, those were meant for another channel Feb 15 02:21:11 Does Meego provides an API for the developer? Feb 15 02:21:27 which channel Feb 15 02:22:29 hi Feb 15 02:24:05 Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl! http://i.imgur.com/H9eXa.png :D Feb 15 02:25:17 Hello, timeless, can you tell me which channal should I ask this question? I want to know the API. Feb 15 02:25:57 * timeless shrugs Feb 15 02:26:13 isn't there already a load monitor app for meego? Feb 15 02:26:23 i'd look at the task manager things for gnome/kde Feb 15 02:26:28 or top/htop Feb 15 02:27:28 my earlier comment was about something i wrote before you said hello, it wasn't even meant for this network :( Feb 15 02:27:34 got it. But I need the CPU usage in my own program. Feb 15 02:27:44 ? Feb 15 02:27:58 most apps for linux are "open source" Feb 15 02:28:09 that means you can read their sources and see how they work Feb 15 02:28:27 if they use an "api", then you too can use that "api" Feb 15 02:29:37 Yeap, maybe I should learn it first **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 15 02:59:56 2011