**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 03 02:59:57 2011 Mar 03 03:18:29 vgrade: once you build a package on OBS, does it have to be submitted to be accessible from a repository? Mar 03 05:08:12 good night Mar 03 07:30:17 morning Mar 03 07:58:25 morning Mar 03 08:01:50 REMINDER: nokia n900 adaptation meeting NOW in #meego-meeting, agenda is status and AOB Mar 03 09:16:23 had to reboot Mar 03 09:16:35 sorry wrong channel :-) Mar 03 09:40:59 TSCHAKeee, it should turn up on repo.pub.meego.com. I'm not sure of the process to get it accepted onto repo.mego.com Mar 03 09:42:19 Stskeeps, floated the idea of having a sponsor who had main OBS access to commit pacakages from pub OBS Mar 03 09:47:23 Greetings Dawn! May I know more about the progress of Meego on Smart TV. such as a build status, feature list, reference boards/TVs ? Mar 03 10:09:19 hello. I'm looking for the userspace code that uses the N_GSM0710 GSM muxer in the kernel. I thought it would have been in oFono, but can't seem to find it. Mar 03 10:59:10 * lcuk downloads ubuntu for his ideapad Mar 03 11:00:09 does anyone know how well it works? Mar 03 11:00:13 * timoph is currently using ubuntu on his ideapad Mar 03 11:00:43 at least I don't have any issues with it Mar 03 11:00:47 oh cool Mar 03 11:01:29 I remember when people kept putting ubuntu on n810 and n900 and stuff :) Mar 03 11:01:45 :) Mar 03 11:02:19 timoph, http://www.usmobileindustry.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/conky.jpg Mar 03 11:02:22 on the n810 Mar 03 11:03:29 that must be a smooth user experience :) Mar 03 11:04:19 timoph, it was fun Mar 03 11:04:52 Stskeeps, wasn't Mer based on this stuff? Mar 03 11:05:01 no, reverse Mar 03 11:05:21 ubuntu on n8x0 was based on mer efforts Mar 03 11:05:36 I remember at least one of the Mer videos having a Jaunty about dialog Mar 03 11:07:09 yes, it was based on ubuntu but the "ubuntu n8x0" stuff was actually mostly ubuntu + mer's hw adaptation stuff Mar 03 11:09:40 Stskeeps, *nod* Mar 03 11:32:58 * lcuk tinkers with uxlaunch on ideapad whilst waiting for n900 to finish dding Mar 03 12:03:10 oh my, the touchscreen driver works on daily-testing Mar 03 12:03:15 i can touch and click stuff :D Mar 03 12:03:32 lcuk, nice :D how does it feel to you? Mar 03 12:03:37 touching... Mar 03 12:03:39 :P Mar 03 12:04:17 iekku, it is certainly much better today Mar 03 12:04:35 lcuk, that's good to "hear" Mar 03 12:04:42 touch on which device? :) Mar 03 12:04:44 a bug in the touchscreen on previous days meant that touching one part reacted elsewhere Mar 03 12:04:57 ah, n900 :) Mar 03 12:05:05 lol Mar 03 12:05:46 *$ Mar 03 12:05:49 * Sage thinks the bug was a bit too familiar to him ;) Mar 03 12:06:04 * lcuk marks that bug fixed Mar 03 12:06:06 yeah Sage Mar 03 12:06:34 any suggestions for a low cost (preferably resistive) tablet for meego app dev? Mar 03 12:07:09 8 - 10" Mar 03 12:18:29 zutesmog, not fully up, but I have a 10" resistive Lenovo X41, MeeGo boots as far as Xwindows, but the compositor does not appear to start Mar 03 12:18:43 errr not resistive Mar 03 12:18:47 pen touch thingy Mar 03 12:20:46 lcuk: ok thats a start ;-) Touch input is a prerequite. And advice of cash register style app is resistive is more forgiving. Mar 03 12:21:35 hopefully trying to find something low cost enough that it's can be virtually throw away. (like a lot of the chinese arm tablets out there ;-) Mar 03 12:21:50 yes Mar 03 12:22:06 why do you not consider capacitive though? Mar 03 12:22:25 resistive is good for high precision work Mar 03 12:22:36 there are some samsung cortex A8 devices coming on the market real cheap now, Mar 03 12:22:46 or are you expecting your users to perhaps have gloves or sticky hands etc Mar 03 12:23:22 to be honest not certain on that front. Some suggested resistive was more forgiving. And yep mucky fingers almost garunteed ;-) Mar 03 12:23:42 i remember being asked to spec up computer stuff for in a distribution warehouse with all sorts of dirt and grime around Mar 03 12:24:01 this is around ponds, lilies, fish and general pond slime. Mar 03 12:24:07 capacitive certainly would not have worked there, because they wanted a console at the driver entrance Mar 03 12:24:10 ie almost outside Mar 03 12:24:30 zutesmog, tried using my capacitive in belgium at fosdem outside Mar 03 12:24:37 and due to cold fingers it would not work Mar 03 12:24:43 ;-) Mar 03 12:24:45 or cold weather Mar 03 12:25:32 I find I have trouble using capacitive even in warm weather. something about my fingers . We where doing some experiments on iphone4 and ipod touch and capacitive just didn't work reliably for me. Mar 03 12:25:42 zutesmog, are you a zombie Mar 03 12:25:44 And people could see I was touching in the right spot. Mar 03 12:25:50 something like that ;-) Mar 03 12:26:19 I have a miele induction hot plat with touch controls and half the time they don't work for me either (I believe they are similiar to capacitive) Mar 03 12:26:25 yeah, I know that feeling Mar 03 12:26:30 /plat/plate/ Mar 03 12:26:34 s/plat/plate/ Mar 03 12:26:44 once you take technology out of lab conditions etc Mar 03 12:26:52 splat... Mar 03 12:27:52 I guess this is why there are no miele screens in the stores Mar 03 12:28:01 ;-) Mar 03 12:28:50 yeah they aren't renowned for their display technology Mar 03 12:28:56 ;-) Mar 03 12:37:56 Hi, I'd like to have access to OBS. Mar 03 12:39:14 it seems there has been a bit of success getting meego up and running on the galaxy tab (incomplete but promising http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg08268.html) Mar 03 12:40:01 zutesmog, simon ( lardman ) is extremely active on the #meego-arm channel with the other guys trying best to get it running :) Mar 03 12:40:02 and some very similiar spec'd chinese tablets are < $300 Aus. Which makes them very disposable. Mar 03 12:40:19 zutesmog: the problem is usually always GLES/EGL lack of support Mar 03 12:40:28 cool. Thanks for the heads yo Will check it out, Mar 03 12:40:31 hey Mar 03 12:40:46 * lardman would be more active if he had more time Mar 03 12:40:52 Though for basic qtquick style app single screen how bad do you think that would be ? Mar 03 12:41:19 The Tab currently lacks input from the touchscreen, I need to work out what's going on with it Mar 03 12:41:38 \o lardman Mar 03 12:41:53 and that might mean porting forward any Tab kernel patches to a newer kernel that supports xinput2 Mar 03 12:42:07 which might take at least half an hour ;) Mar 03 12:42:09 hi lcuk Mar 03 12:47:09 zutesmog: what hw are you thinking of? Mar 03 12:48:03 got an app for a low cost touch based networked cache register app (walk up to cache drawer if necessary), Mar 03 12:48:38 blutooth pocket barcode scanner. (koamtec one is about the size of a zippo) Mar 03 12:49:12 a bit like in the apple store. (no need for attached card reader) Mar 03 12:50:47 hurrah bug 13974 is fixed on n900 Mar 03 12:50:49 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13974 nor, Undecided, ---, sean.v.kelley, RESO FIXED, N900 Touchscreen input clicking wrong places and generally wrong Mar 03 12:51:12 and this hardware is similiar to galaxytab http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SULI-SL-7i-ANDROID-2-2-TABLET-PC-SLATE-FLASH-3G-3D-NEW-/230589306449?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item35b0319651#ht_8851wt_1141 Mar 03 12:51:31 and cheap enough that if it gets dropped in a pond it's not the end of the world ;-) Mar 03 12:51:48 cheaper than an N900 ;-) Mar 03 12:52:40 could go android but don't really want to go there. Mar 03 12:54:04 zutesmog: see if it has kernel source available Mar 03 12:54:17 some Android devices don't, in spite of the GPL Mar 03 12:55:04 not sure I'd buy from ebay anyway mind you, Maplin over here are doing an Android Tablet for ~Ј100 Mar 03 12:55:26 probably pretty crap, but that sort of thing might suit you. /me tries to remember the Australian equivalent Mar 03 12:55:39 800MHz iirc fwiw Mar 03 12:56:40 oh interesting, that one you linked to also has a hummingbird chip Mar 03 12:57:22 lcuk: do we know what "fixed" that touchscreen problem? Mar 03 12:58:05 lardman, I will need to generate my logs, I found then relost the bug it was under Mar 03 12:58:22 k Mar 03 12:59:53 in the UK at least at the real budget end are the advent amico and binatone homesurf 7" Mar 03 13:00:11 how much are those? Mar 03 13:00:22 I could do with some home entertainment hw for the kitchen Mar 03 13:00:23 lardman, yeah these cheap ebay units are probably a little sus. a lot advertise 1Ghz arm but it's all old stuff older cpu. So have been keeping an eye out for true cortex a8 in th ehope it might be feasible ;-) Mar 03 13:00:25 both ВЈ100 inc VAT Mar 03 13:00:51 $AU is pretty close to $US at the moment Mar 03 13:00:52 the amico is a smaller, resistive android 2.1 version of the vega Mar 03 13:01:02 not sure I'm overly keen on the buggeration factor of getting Meego running on them mind you, but I hope it would be easier second time through Mar 03 13:01:42 ;-) Mar 03 13:03:00 And the trick as you said is find kernel source, even trying to track down the original manufacturer is hard. But at that price if it works. You can bin them when they get dropped ;-) without it hurting too much. Mar 03 13:04:16 there was a list somewhere of Android tablets + links to their kernel sources, no idea where I saw that Mar 03 13:05:44 I remember seeing that Mar 03 13:05:46 lardman, Bug 13283 Mar 03 13:05:49 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13283 maj, High, ---, kalle.jokiniemi, RESO FIXED, [TRUNK:TESTING] Wrong touch behaviour while trying to navigate through the items in application grid Mar 03 13:05:50 it was something like 1 in 10 had links Mar 03 13:06:07 I can't wait until the pandaboards are available again. Mar 03 13:06:21 * thiago has played with a pandaboard Mar 03 13:06:35 one of the best performances of the qml xbmc Mar 03 13:06:57 it ran better than the tegra2, but the tegra had a much larger screen Mar 03 13:07:04 * georgem sneaks behind thiago. Mar 03 13:07:30 lcuk: thanks Mar 03 13:07:40 lcuk: Looks like I need to move to xinput2 then Mar 03 13:07:51 possibly lardman Mar 03 13:08:06 I am still wondering how the heck the bold works Mar 03 13:08:14 'qml xbmc'? Mar 03 13:08:17 occasionally when copy and paste it makes irc bold Mar 03 13:08:58 Stskeeps, does xbmc still boot on the xbox? Mar 03 13:09:15 luck: 9.x does ;) Mar 03 13:09:20 I just got an Atom E6xx dev kit :) Mar 03 13:10:23 Sage, what version are they upto? Mar 03 13:10:36 * lcuk does not have an xbox so never looked into xbmc Mar 03 13:10:36 10.0 is the latest with xbmc Mar 03 13:10:48 Stskeeps: yes Mar 03 13:10:52 lcuk: well I have xbmc packages for meego ;) Mar 03 13:11:07 cool, how well do they run on my n900 meego? Mar 03 13:11:18 or is this for grown up computers Mar 03 13:11:25 thiago: ah, cool, didn't know there was a qml one Mar 03 13:11:52 lcuk: http://sagestechblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/running-xbmc-on-nokia-n900-with-meego.html ;) Mar 03 13:11:55 Stskeeps: http://gitorious.org/qtmediahub Mar 03 13:12:17 hah, whaddaya know, last nights problem getting the 1.2 tablet ux loaded on this tablet is just the lack of click response on the touchscreen Mar 03 13:12:28 luck: haven't had time to continue from that in a while though. Hoping that I'll get time to polish the guides for that in near future. Mar 03 13:12:47 Sage, :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Mar 03 13:13:12 lcuk: "Because I can" (tm) right? :D Mar 03 13:13:14 looks like android kernel source is around for S5PV210 Mar 03 13:13:15 Dec 7, 10В Android Source for Samsung S5PV210 and S5PC110 Mar 03 13:13:18 oops Mar 03 13:13:26 Sage, absofuckinglutely Mar 03 13:15:23 cya later Sage \o Mar 03 13:15:55 cya Mar 03 13:46:58 Stskeeps: Cool news on the Developer Edition Mar 03 13:47:10 very cool indeed jaffa Mar 03 13:47:14 Jaffa: it does show some involvement regarding meego.com, at least :) Mar 03 13:47:17 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition Mar 03 13:47:38 * Jaffa can use his N900 spare (used for CSSU clean testing) for this too :-) Mar 03 13:48:27 Jaffa, ;) this is nothing new :P just a better description and prioritisation of things Mar 03 13:48:41 ie you could have been using yours all the time and pushing for such things :P Mar 03 13:50:45 lcuk: Indeed, but it wasn't anywhere near good enough for me to use, spend limited time on and I didn't have a spare N900. Mar 03 13:51:42 For example, if the Dev Ed. is supposed to be "perfect", and writing the image to the eMMC provides Maemo 5 levels of performance (or better), it should be done. Rather than relying on MicroSD card which gives variable results. Mar 03 13:51:57 in practice emmc doesn't give too much difference :P Mar 03 13:57:20 Is anyone out there using pch_gbe on E6xx hardware? Mar 03 13:58:31 Jaffa, Stskeeps - even without the eMMC boot, simplifying what is dualboot would be drastically required - I still see page after page of complex instructions Mar 03 14:33:24 hi all Mar 03 14:34:16 hi Mar 03 14:53:53 Are there bootable images available for the MeeGo trunk builds? Mar 03 14:54:06 weekly, at least Mar 03 14:54:33 Stskeeps: I can't seem to find them in: http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/Netbook/weekly/ Mar 03 14:54:44 dont go there, repo.meego.com Mar 03 14:55:18 ok. thanks. thats what I was looking for. Mar 03 15:00:55 Hrm. Maybe I need IVI instead of netbook for Atom E6xx? Mar 03 15:01:22 I'll try that too. Mar 03 15:01:30 E6xx? Mar 03 15:01:51 * jedix only knows codenames Mar 03 15:01:58 Tunnel Creek Mar 03 15:01:59 stskeeps: how do i find out where a bug should be filed? :) Mar 03 15:02:38 timeless_office: no mbp? :) Mar 03 15:03:09 heh Mar 03 15:03:18 so, _mbp meant Mar 03 15:03:19 timeless_mbp: fighting with the wonderful meego bugzilla? Mar 03 15:03:36 _office means Mar 03 15:03:42 ah Mar 03 15:03:47 k, /me notes Mar 03 15:03:50 it's also not using a real irc client, just a web interface Mar 03 15:04:08 yep, so the hostname shows Mar 03 15:04:09 the key point though is that you can't expect me to see your message when i'm not here Mar 03 15:04:36 oh, that's stupid Mar 03 15:04:40 Well, I couldn't afford my server anymore so I can't stay online away anymore as wel :) Mar 03 15:04:40 * timeless_mbp kicks webchat Mar 03 15:04:57 anyway - I'm not really here Mar 03 15:04:58 I have to run Mar 03 15:05:06 see you all alter, great announcement for the DE Mar 03 15:05:07 i got your email, i need to find a calendar Mar 03 15:05:20 timeless_mbp: let me know when you do, given DE this s getting even MORE Important now Mar 03 15:05:31 timeless_office: I tried to find the talk link Mar 03 15:05:47 timeless_office: but the wonderful desktopsummit.org drupal would not let me, so you can see what I submitted Mar 03 15:06:05 anywa Mar 03 15:06:07 back later Mar 03 15:07:36 hey, who runs bugs.meego.com? Mar 03 15:07:42 there's a feature there which is hurting me ;( Mar 03 15:08:02 andre: ping Mar 03 15:08:15 timeless_office, pong? Mar 03 15:08:35 andre: so, bugs.meego seems to be running with a "you can't resolve a bug with unresolved blockers" Mar 03 15:08:47 georgem: I think the kernel supports the processor, but the board specific support might be lacking.. depending on what yours is Mar 03 15:08:48 this also means "you can't remove a dependency to a bug with blockers" Mar 03 15:08:51 timeless_office, maybe Mar 03 15:08:54 file a bug Mar 03 15:08:57 this is really painful Mar 03 15:11:06 ..a bug with dependencies! Mar 03 15:11:09 :P Mar 03 15:11:17 jedix: consider Mar 03 15:11:31 bug A adds a check which results in a report (bug B) Mar 03 15:11:42 in filing bug B, you want to say "this bug is the result of bug A" Mar 03 15:11:44 jedix: ok, we'll see. I'm trying to add support for Tunnel Creek to my embedded distro and pch_gbe isn't working on my dev kit's ethernet port properly. I just want to see if it works on some version of MeeGo :) Mar 03 15:11:52 you don't want to say "you can't resolve bug A until bug B is fixed" Mar 03 15:12:28 A doesn't depend on B Mar 03 15:12:43 but practically speaking, if A is rejected, then perhaps B isn't a bug, in which case A quasi-blocks B Mar 03 15:13:16 and you do want all assignees of bugs B (B1...Bn) to be able to read bug A to understand what they're fixing Mar 03 15:14:49 right.. so you put that in a comment? Mar 03 15:15:13 georgem: what's the IO hub? Mar 03 15:15:22 ST or Oki? Mar 03 15:15:52 ? Mar 03 15:15:56 georgem: who makes the board? Mar 03 15:16:14 jedix: Eurotech, Catalyst TC Mar 03 15:16:29 jedix: Their docs say Intel PCH EG20T. Mar 03 15:16:36 jedix: the other thing is that w/o it, you can't draw pretty pictures: https://bugs.meego.com/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=13965&showsummary=on&display=web&rankdir=RL Mar 03 15:17:00 timeless_office: ah, the pretty pictures are very important sometimes. Mar 03 15:17:44 * timeless_office wonders if you can have [unresolved] => [resolved] => [unresolved] Mar 03 15:18:34 georgem: pm Mar 03 15:18:38 * georgem starts peeling stickers off BGAs Mar 03 15:20:33 I see an Intel Chip marked with CS82TPCF Mar 03 15:20:55 georgem: did you see my private message? Mar 03 15:21:24 jedix: I see it now, sorry. Mar 03 15:21:31 georgem: the PCH EG20T is Oki general purpose I/O hub Mar 03 15:21:54 Hi I am trying to get access to OBS, can anybody help? Mar 03 15:23:15 georgem: drivers are submitted for the Oki go general purpose I/O.. there are some pending drivers I believe Mar 03 15:24:15 s/go/for/ Mar 03 15:24:16 jedix meant: georgem: drivers are submitted for the Oki for general purpose I/O.. there are some pending drivers I believe Mar 03 15:25:02 jedix: I believe the pch_gbe is for the oki. It's littered with okisemi email addresses. Something is screwed though because it's sending out junk on my distro/kernel. Mar 03 15:26:28 georgem: what kerenl? Mar 03 15:26:49 I don't believe all drivers are submitted, so not everythign will work Mar 03 15:27:53 jedix: 2.6.33.7.2-rt30. Mar 03 15:28:27 jedix: I back ported pch_gbe from 2.6 tip. Maybe I screwed something up. Mar 03 15:28:59 georgem: ah.. maybe, or you're hitting the missing drivers. Mar 03 15:29:16 possibly. Mar 03 15:29:40 what;s the `junk` that you're seeing? Mar 03 15:29:51 timeless_office: well, this is what i was saying the other day. if you could report a bug against an explicit list of packages, instead of some vague component that doesn't mean anything, this would not be a problem, and you would only need to do one bug report Mar 03 15:30:13 why would i only need one report? Mar 03 15:30:47 assuming bug A is "rpmlint needs additional checks" and bug B is "now my spec file broke" x 100 Mar 03 15:30:56 i'm pretty sure i need 46+1 bugs Mar 03 15:31:35 jedix: I hook it up on a private lan with a netbook and I have the netbook run tcpdump. I ping the netbook from the tunnel creek and I see a bunch of protocol: unknown as well as strange MAC addresses. I might try looking at it in wireshark, tcpdump kinda sucks. Mar 03 15:31:45 i would rephrase bug A as "many packages have poor spec files", open that bug against all affected package, and then mark any bug Bs as dupes of bug A Mar 03 15:32:08 yeah, that's useless Mar 03 15:32:17 it becomes impossible to resolve 'A' Mar 03 15:32:23 i'd claim 99% of all packages have poor spec files Mar 03 15:32:25 georgem: ah, so it's the network device that's throwing out unknown stuff.. yeah, check wireshark Mar 03 15:32:31 well yeah Mar 03 15:32:39 so what? if the bug never gets resolved... tough Mar 03 15:32:49 if the bug is hard to fix, does not mean it is not a bug Mar 03 15:32:52 my complaint is only about hrm. 3% of all packages Mar 03 15:33:14 ali: each of managers, engineers and reporters appreciates having bugs resolved Mar 03 15:33:26 it's hard for an engineer to show they've accomplished something if they can't point to resolved bugs Mar 03 15:33:33 oh, so we should fill bugzilla with fluff bugs so they can feel good about themselves? Mar 03 15:33:40 yes. Mar 03 15:33:48 i disagree Mar 03 15:33:51 it's hard for a reporter to see something has changed if there's just a long incomprehensible comment spew Mar 03 15:34:11 bugs should be as bite sized as possible Mar 03 15:34:23 this *is* bitesize Mar 03 15:34:28 it just needs fixing in a lot of places Mar 03 15:34:42 but it's likely that some won't get fixed Mar 03 15:34:59 and it's better to be able to quickly determine which those are Mar 03 15:35:01 well, ok, i see what you're saying Mar 03 15:35:05 you can't do that if there's only one bug Mar 03 15:35:14 :) Mar 03 15:35:16 if you can't fix 1 package and then close something, it feels like a never ending task Mar 03 15:35:42 although i would point out, on launchpad you can mark the bug as fixed for a single affected package, of which there can be many, all on a single bug report Mar 03 15:35:48 hi all Mar 03 15:35:54 I've gotta boot my netbook back into my distro at least it has wireshark :) Mar 03 15:36:49 anyway, can't you just add bug A to the "see also" section, instead of making it a blocker? Mar 03 15:37:06 I am trying to build meego from git, but X starts with a white screen, mouse cursor is there, but there is nothing else. I am using Arch Linux. here the uxlaunch log: http://pastebin.com/tsKb3LZ8 Any help? Mar 03 15:37:10 or suggestion? Mar 03 15:38:11 btw, who provide com.meego.UX.Shell.Toolbar? Mar 03 15:44:37 ali: yeah, i could Mar 03 15:44:51 but see also isn't bidirectional Mar 03 15:45:03 which means you have a rather lame picture and doing updates is painful Mar 03 15:45:19 what if the dependency is the other way around, ie A can't be closed until all Bs are fixed? Mar 03 15:45:26 that's bad Mar 03 15:45:43 because i want the guy who integrates the fix for A to be able to integrate the fix for A and indicate it's fixed Mar 03 15:46:07 the right relation is actually: Mar 03 15:46:14 ok, how about if there's A, B and C, and C depends on A and all Bs Mar 03 15:46:28 A [implement check] ; Bn {blocks} A' [deploy A] Mar 03 15:46:40 with a see also relation between A and A' Mar 03 15:47:14 actually, i think i can do better than a see also relation Mar 03 15:47:28 because A obviously blocks A' :) Mar 03 15:47:47 and in this case, A' is really C, since it's fixing another package (rpmlint-Moblin) to trip the check Mar 03 15:48:08 which is in fact the conclusion you just reached. Yay! Mar 03 15:48:40 ok Mar 03 15:48:45 * timeless_office goes to write C (A') Mar 03 15:48:46 A is the fix to rpmlint, C would be a meta bug that describes the whole point of all the other bugs Mar 03 15:49:10 well, i still need a bug to fix rpmlint-Moblin Mar 03 15:49:39 oh the time I wasted on rpmlint debugging Mar 03 15:50:01 jedix: what were you doing? Mar 03 15:51:45 timeless_office: replicating OBS to build against another toolchain and add packages that are not allowed outside to play :/ Mar 03 15:53:33 jedix: i'm trying very hard to avoid doing that Mar 03 15:53:46 w/o fixing rpmlint, i risk having to set up my own totally hacked obs Mar 03 15:55:14 timeless_office: yeah, there are some people we deal with who are over paranoid about source Mar 03 15:55:46 in my case, i *will* have people paranoid about arbitrary code execution on a box they supervise Mar 03 15:55:57 so my goal is to prevent that Mar 03 17:55:03 Coooool! Ethernet on my tunnel creek works on the newest ivi build. Now I just have to download the kernel source and figure out whats different. Mar 03 18:13:22 anyone here from meego it? it feels like the jump host is unhappy Mar 03 18:18:02 * CosmoHill pokes timeless_office Mar 03 18:18:10 ? Mar 03 18:18:25 yes? Mar 03 18:18:50 I thought you wanted someone to ping you to show you had connectivity Mar 03 18:19:16 cosmohill: only if you're on the jump host Mar 03 18:19:29 jump.freenode.net? Mar 03 18:45:55 cosmo: no, meego's internal network Mar 03 18:46:11 DawnFoster: anyone from IT around? Mar 03 18:48:57 btrfs has been a monkey on my back Mar 03 18:49:17 Hello Mar 03 18:49:17 free space quirks are incredibly awful Mar 03 18:49:37 i'm taring up / and formatting to ext4 this afternoon! Mar 03 18:49:48 can anybody tell short introduction to MEEGO version Mar 03 18:50:04 ?? Mar 03 18:50:10 patzaks: what do you mean? Mar 03 18:50:29 i dont kno much about meego Mar 03 18:50:56 http://meego.com/about/faq ? Mar 03 18:51:01 i kno it's linux distribution Mar 03 18:51:08 it isn't really Mar 03 18:51:20 it's more of an umbrella project Mar 03 18:51:21 but not yet seen much around me Mar 03 18:51:24 tht's y Mar 03 18:51:59 patzaks: you can download live USB images and give it a try Mar 03 18:52:06 ok Mar 03 18:52:34 is it stable Mar 03 18:52:52 i've had no major problems Mar 03 18:53:03 except file system quirks >_> Mar 03 18:53:21 yeah , tht's fine Mar 03 18:53:34 thank u v. much dude Mar 03 18:53:43 runs great on my atom netbook Mar 03 18:53:46 np, good luck Mar 03 18:54:13 by the way what do u do by profession? Mar 03 18:54:37 i'm a pro IRC lurker Mar 03 18:54:47 oh and do some development here and there :) Mar 03 18:55:05 tht sounds gr8..!! Mar 03 18:55:50 bye Mar 03 18:57:31 on this day, 36 years ago - the homebrew computer club had its first meeting :) http://www.computerhistory.org/tdih/March/3/ Mar 03 20:02:13 oh my, after only N months of stress, the little hole for my stylus now correctly accepts a stylus again :D Mar 03 20:02:37 * lcuk3 slides his stylus in and out without hearing scraping scratching noises Mar 03 20:03:05 * Cosmo[PB] fixes GMP on his uni's HPC and grumbles Mar 03 20:03:39 :D CosmoHill Mar 03 20:03:51 gmp is installed, gmp-devel is not Mar 03 20:04:08 /opt/gmp-4.2.4 has some kinda mess, looks like the gmp source directory Mar 03 20:05:36 ffs, bloody slave nodes don't have g++ Mar 03 20:06:05 heh dependencies always need installing Mar 03 20:10:32 gmp won't install unless you have G++ cos I enabled c++ cos that's what the head has Mar 03 20:10:35 lcuk3: http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/69YVDa3W Mar 03 20:15:22 nice Mar 03 20:15:25 * lcuk3 >>>>> Mar 03 20:15:38 #pubtime (not #meego-bar) Mar 03 21:44:56 will a binary of xorg video driver built on Ubuntu 10.04 work with MeeGo ? Mar 03 21:46:03 jasonlife: possible but unlikely, there are several ABIs that needs to match that move quite frequently Mar 03 21:47:32 primary prerequisites are matching versions of kernel and xorg-server Mar 03 21:48:12 I noticed Meego is using xorg 1.9.x.. Mar 03 21:48:54 unless you have a driver which has a recompilable kernel module, in which case only the API needs to be the same for the relevant parts Mar 03 21:49:13 you still need matching ABI for xorg Mar 03 21:49:20 jasonlife: what problem are you trying to solve? Mar 03 21:50:10 jonnor: nothing serious for now,, but I just want to know that the driver I built on 10.04 is compatible with MeeGo.. Mar 03 21:50:32 I will try this once I have a chance and let you know.. Mar 03 21:52:28 i need a toothbrush designer Mar 03 21:57:54 lcuk3: I can also copied Jon's compile script to /bin and renamed the copy jcp instead of compile.sh (which stands for Jon compile, in honour of its author), so it should be visible as it's in everyone's path. Mar 03 21:58:01 An email from my lecturer :) Mar 03 22:02:28 Hi X-Fade, I try to get access to the community OBS. The Wiki says you are the one to ask? Mar 03 22:03:31 kitestudent: hi, do you intend to use the OBS only for open source software and do you have an account on meego.com? Mar 03 22:05:22 jasonlife: if you have the sources, just build it on Meego :) Mar 03 22:05:34 CosmoHill: Yes, I'm student at FH-SWF. We are working with gumstix Overo Fire. Meego is my choice for doing Image processing. So I want to provide a patched Kernel for Overo fire with OBS Mar 03 22:05:47 ah Mar 03 22:06:17 the kernel is part of the core which you won't be able to affect from the OBS Mar 03 22:06:59 I'm unfamiliar with the process of submiting a patch Mar 03 22:07:25 CosmoHill, ah okay.... whats the way to provide an up to date kernel for a different device. Mar 03 22:08:17 is it a ARM device? Mar 03 22:08:54 ... I thought it would be easy if the kernel can be installed to meego by selecting a package from repository with kickstart file.... is that the wrong way? Mar 03 22:09:15 yes it's omap3 ARM Mar 03 22:09:19 I'm getting out of my depth here, maybe lbt can help Mar 03 22:09:26 you might be interested in #meego-arm Mar 03 22:10:29 :-D okay.... thanks.... so can you give me a short statement what i am able to build with community OBS? Mar 03 22:10:39 kitestudent: yes, you can build a custom kernel using OBS and use that package for your images Mar 03 22:11:49 hi jonner, how does it work? Did I need access to OBS or Community OBS? Mar 03 22:12:50 kitestudent: if you tell X-Fade your meego.com account he should be able to get you one Mar 03 22:13:56 CosmoHill, okay, can I use the account for both OBS? Mar 03 22:14:05 yes Mar 03 22:14:20 you register on meego.com and then your account is enabled on OBS when you ask nicely :) Mar 03 22:17:40 CosmoHill, okay thanks..... so it seems that X-Fade is not here right now ;-) Mar 03 22:17:51 time to wait Mar 03 22:18:31 ~seen X-Fade Mar 03 22:18:38 x-fade is currently on #meego (3h 53m 35s), last said: 'Nah, is documented. And USB->ttl convertor is $2 on ebay :)'. Mar 03 22:19:24 :-D Mar 03 22:19:50 it should say "dude, that person is in this channel" Mar 03 22:20:25 thiago along with 490 other people, all engaged in active conversation :p Mar 03 22:22:19 me considers looking at an 80MB kernel diff Mar 03 22:22:29 me should also consider using / Mar 03 22:22:48 when you say looking, you mean vim? Mar 03 22:23:34 probably gedit Mar 03 22:23:44 but more of a look and decide what needs to be used Mar 03 22:30:39 lardman: what are you looking for in the 80 M ? Mar 03 22:37:13 berndhs: planning to either backport xinput2 stuff to 2.6.32.9 or better port the relevant Samsung stuff in that 80MB patch forward to the current Meego kernel (2.6.37.2?) Mar 03 22:39:49