**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 08 02:59:57 2011 Mar 08 03:01:27 A little... but for UI stuff I kind of like it. Mar 08 03:01:40 Kind of a balance between editing CSS files and actual code. Mar 08 03:01:57 yes Mar 08 03:02:34 but in a way its scarier, you will end up poking into the qml from c++ a lot Mar 08 03:03:14 Yep. Mar 08 03:03:36 so reading any portion of the code, whether c++ or javascript or css, you can't tell what it does Mar 08 03:04:40 i managed to get Qt/3D working with bullet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euSxmVhiG60 Mar 08 03:04:54 i'm not sure how QML would apply to something like this Mar 08 03:05:51 people are going to do that in javascript and then complain about short battery life Mar 08 03:06:20 ali1234: Cool! Mar 08 03:06:44 i was going to redo this for meego: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CcfG5uxSOw Mar 08 03:06:54 (that is done all in horrible EGL calls) Mar 08 03:07:05 I started a QML project... but switched to QGraphicsScene to get better control of TouchEvents. Mar 08 03:07:48 also, lol at youtube comments Mar 08 03:08:04 sometimes i like to vote up the people who say "fake" just to mess with people Mar 08 03:08:25 ali1234: Nice job with the dice. Mar 08 03:08:54 My mom had something like a Samsung Mythic... and there was a virtual dice app that couldn't run without periodic hitches. Mar 08 03:09:09 neither can mine :/ Mar 08 03:09:17 i think PR1.2 broke it Mar 08 03:09:26 Oh, really. Hard to tell from the youtube. Mar 08 03:09:31 it's ooooold Mar 08 03:09:32 Looked smooth. Mar 08 03:09:40 it was smooth when i wrote it, but not any more Mar 08 03:09:49 oh Mar 08 03:10:07 also youtube has that effect too Mar 08 03:11:07 also it's the most basic of basic graphics possible, just cubes with the most simple shader ever and tiny textures Mar 08 03:11:49 this one has really nice graphics (iphone) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugoq8M2XxVE Mar 08 03:13:01 i think he is cheating on accelerometer too Mar 08 03:13:52 probably... but it looks nice. Mar 08 03:14:35 yeah Mar 08 03:15:07 basically 2 things stopped me from finishing that app for maemo: Mar 08 03:15:24 difficulty of using raw EGL shaders (i only know fixed function GL) Mar 08 03:15:40 and difficulty of packaging the physics lib (old version used ODE) Mar 08 03:16:34 Qt/3D fixed 1, and bullet fixes 2 (since i can static link it) Mar 08 05:44:52 this (and the conversation following it) troubles me -> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-March/481890.html Mar 08 05:46:30 timoph: I can empathize... Mar 08 05:46:37 but I was pretty encouraged by it. Mar 08 05:47:14 timoph: What in particular troubles you? Mar 08 05:47:49 to me it seems like we now have a one man architecture board with personal grudge agains nokia Mar 08 05:49:06 Well, Arjan has never been known for his bedside manner... Mar 08 05:49:11 :) Mar 08 05:49:20 morning Mar 08 05:49:32 iekku: howdy! Mar 08 05:50:24 timoph: But it's not just him making the calls. One e-mail spells out the team. Mar 08 05:50:38 oh. I missed that Mar 08 05:51:16 good that you pointed that out since I was just about to reply to the thread (and make an ass out of myself) Mar 08 05:52:08 ah... I see... Carston asked for an update on who the team is -- and that wasn't replied to. Mar 08 05:52:23 But Carston also listed out who he knew the team to be last fall. Mar 08 05:52:50 Meanwhile, there have been a bunch of aMeeGo's (including Nokia folks) in Portland over the past 2 weeks. Mar 08 05:52:59 yep. that's the question I want to get answered Mar 08 05:53:07 NishanthMenon: Go to bed!! Mar 08 05:54:06 timoph: http://wiki.meego.com/Architecture Mar 08 05:54:21 Arjan is the "chief" -- so he gets to look like the bad guy. Mar 08 05:54:33 :) Mar 08 05:54:38 He's good at it Mar 08 05:54:39 But, IMHO... with the official release scheduled 4 weeks away... Mar 08 05:54:44 we need a bad guy. :-) Mar 08 05:55:00 Or... is it 6 weeks. Mar 08 05:55:03 or 8. Mar 08 05:55:15 yep. The release is going be missing a lot of things that it was supporsed have Mar 08 05:55:23 Whatever... it's pretty close. Mar 08 05:55:28 Yes. Mar 08 05:55:42 In fact, I was worried about that /before/ the Nokia decision. Mar 08 05:55:51 yep. me too Mar 08 05:56:18 me, I just hope the lawyers get through all the red tape and allow all the stuff for the N900 (like GPS) to be made available Mar 08 05:57:06 for me the n900 is just a small piece of the puzzle. A nice to have thing for sure but not the main thing Mar 08 05:57:18 timoph: +1 Mar 08 05:57:34 well I care as a N900 owner Mar 08 05:57:50 * timoph has 2 n900s :) Mar 08 05:58:07 Yes, but the N900 isn't going to bring $$ into the MeeGo project. Mar 08 05:59:10 could be. I also really want see the DE for it to succeed Mar 08 05:59:43 Yes, I agree. Mar 08 06:01:18 this was the thing that got me really worried about the 1.2 release -> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-qa/2011-February/001051.html Mar 08 06:01:43 The N900 is currently the only cellphone target for MeeGo Mar 08 06:01:54 aside from whatever Nokia has in its labs Mar 08 06:02:13 you can run it on nexus1, aava, etc. too Mar 08 06:02:46 but the n900 is the current arm reference device Mar 08 06:03:18 hence why bringing it closer to feature-parity with Fremantle is of value Mar 08 06:03:33 actually I'm not sure if aava is a reference device anymore Mar 08 06:03:54 since there haven't been builds for it for some time Mar 08 06:04:16 timoph: Actually, I was worried over xmas when I saw all the iPad commercials and realized, "Wow. MeeGo is really, really late to this race." Mar 08 06:04:26 :) Mar 08 06:05:44 might be late but I still think it has a very real chance of succeeding Mar 08 06:06:20 I am hoping MeeGo makes a success in the cellphone market moreso than tablets Mar 08 06:06:39 IMHO, a strong app store is a pretty big part of what makes mobile devices (especially phones) popular. Mar 08 06:06:39 and of cource everyone has a different definition for "success" Mar 08 06:06:47 (At least, in today's market) Mar 08 06:06:50 yep Mar 08 06:07:12 Before 2/11... that was a real possibility for MeeGo. Mar 08 06:07:13 I think that's why we're seeing Intel pushing appUpp Mar 08 06:07:36 After 2/11 -- I'm not sure it can happen. Though it's clear Intel is going to make a run for it. Mar 08 06:08:25 If they release some nice hw with MeeGo. I'm pretty sure I'll buy it. I'm already doing apps for it Mar 08 06:09:14 Yep. Me, too. Mar 08 06:09:26 we started a game project with a couple of guys from QA tools Mar 08 06:09:28 MeeGo tablet or netbook has no interest for me Mar 08 06:09:42 only a cellphone would be something I care about Mar 08 06:09:56 well you'd better hope other cellphone makers sjump onto meego Mar 08 06:10:00 morn Mar 08 06:10:01 :) Mar 08 06:10:08 Hi Stskeeps! Mar 08 06:10:09 morn Stskeeps Mar 08 06:10:14 as nokia isn't going to be the one focusing on it :) Mar 08 06:10:33 Did Arjan ever answer your question about the Arch. team? Mar 08 06:10:34 no idea who else is/will use/ship meego on a phone Mar 08 06:10:43 Stskeeps: ^^^ Mar 08 06:12:58 gabrbedd: let's focus on the technical stuff for now or we'll miss target of release, actual project structures are figured out past the elopcalypse when nokia knows what they are doing :P Mar 08 06:13:41 nokia knows what it wants to do, the problem is that the information is not getting to the devs Mar 08 06:13:47 it might even turn out for the better now Mar 08 06:13:52 hopefully they'll get more info today Mar 08 06:15:01 Stskeeps: I fully agree. But if there was an answer, I was curious to know it. :-) Mar 08 06:15:43 me too Mar 08 06:16:24 i personally hope we'll move to an architectual model were it's less about affiliation and more about skill and capability. Mar 08 06:16:46 +1 Mar 08 06:18:05 Well, good morning guys. I'm going to bed now. :-) Mar 08 06:18:50 but that thread is going to be interesting to watch Mar 08 06:19:25 yep. Mar 08 06:22:03 which makes me think of a presentation title for the conference Mar 08 06:22:19 "Post-elopcalypse effects within the MeeGo project" ;) Mar 08 06:22:36 :D Mar 08 06:23:17 lol Mar 08 06:23:22 "post-elopocalyptic" Mar 08 06:23:31 I'm sure that would be a hit :) Mar 08 06:23:54 :D Mar 08 06:31:21 Stskeeps: so submit something alrady Mar 08 06:31:26 I've already done one Mar 08 06:32:54 Stskeeps : morning! Mar 08 06:33:01 thiago_home: yeah, i saw - good proposal Mar 08 06:33:09 wassupnari: good morning Mar 08 06:34:01 Stskeeps : we've tested the library, but.. still don't work. :( Mar 08 06:34:16 wassupnari: did you get 3d demos up and running? Mar 08 06:34:46 Stskeeps: hang on Mar 08 06:35:28 hahahaha "No sessions have been accepted yet. Session submissions are due by March 18, 2011. We expect to have a large subset of the presentations approved and scheduled by April 4th and are planning to have the final program ready before April 15th." Mar 08 06:35:32 finally that page is fixed Mar 08 06:35:45 I had a laugh at it over the weekend Mar 08 06:36:02 Myrtti: why? Mar 08 06:36:28 because I've submitted a talk too and it did appear on the accepted sessions page, just like yours did Mar 08 06:36:51 * Stskeeps looks Mar 08 06:36:58 oh, I hadn't noticed Mar 08 06:37:05 in fact, all of the ones that were/are on proposed were shown on the accepted page too Mar 08 06:37:15 I knew it wasn't real but I had fun anyway Mar 08 06:37:23 Myrtti: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions , white marks current page Mar 08 06:37:31 Stskeeps: no kidding! Mar 08 06:37:39 yes, I know Mar 08 06:37:49 Stskeeps: do you know "yb"? he is one of my co-worker, he tested that library and he said he didn't use 3d demos. Mar 08 06:38:29 wassupnari: no sorry, but he should get the 3d demos from the 3d library working first, then it's easier to get rest working :) Mar 08 06:38:47 hm.. okay Mar 08 06:39:11 usualy there's some good demos to test everything works, or just check egl status or something Mar 08 06:40:52 glxgears Mar 08 06:41:05 thiago_home: GLES? ;) Mar 08 06:41:19 no eglgears? Mar 08 06:41:20 :-) Mar 08 06:41:52 Moo, ladies and gentlemen Mar 08 06:42:36 moo, RST38h Mar 08 06:42:53 thiago_home: i've yet to see one Mar 08 06:44:48 Stskeeps: i cannot find 3d demos, where can i get that? :) Mar 08 06:45:05 wassupnari: hmm, i would think they would be in the package for the SGX stuff Mar 08 06:45:13 graphics driver people are usually proud to give along demos ;) Mar 08 06:45:33 Stskeeps: hehe, okay Mar 08 06:47:58 wassupnari: because when the default demos work, it's easy to hook up rest of meego usually Mar 08 07:04:01 hm Mar 08 07:05:35 K'morning Mar 08 07:31:09 lbt: ping Mar 08 07:31:51 anyone here have any pending flights in the next couple of weeks? Mar 08 07:32:40 what, volcano started? Mar 08 07:32:40 :P Mar 08 07:33:02 i want to test a tool that deals in amadeus references Mar 08 08:15:19 timeless_xchat: pong Mar 08 08:32:26 lbt: got any flights pending? i want to try checking amadeus references Mar 08 08:32:37 tomorrow Mar 08 08:33:02 timeless_xchat: it's a bit problematic to ask about amadeus references since those + name allow people to check in Mar 08 08:33:08 and this could be abused Mar 08 08:34:03 stskeeps: yeah, in this case, lbt can watch me use it Mar 08 08:49:13 http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/08/lenovo-thinkpad-x220-and-x220-convertible-tablet-official-24-ho/ Mar 08 13:58:36 huuu Mar 08 13:58:48 huuuu Mar 08 14:28:04 so, are my fears true? noone's doing GSoC paperwork? Mar 08 14:29:49 maybe, but you might have asked at the worst time possible :) Mar 08 14:30:34 yes, at two/three days from the deadline =) Mar 08 14:30:48 Sounds like the plot of the best horror movie ever. Mar 08 14:31:05 javispedro: also, does MeeGo qualify? Mar 08 14:31:23 still, considering that even TI promised free hw for a future Meego GSOC participation... a pity if it were not to happen. Mar 08 14:31:42 i mean, maemo.org used to but "maemo" didn't Mar 08 14:32:50 I know -- one hopes Meego is open enough :D Mar 08 14:33:10 last year there was a half proposal from a Intel employee, even. Mar 08 14:34:57 send a mail to DawnFoster, cc quim and ask if it's OK if you drive it? Mar 08 14:34:59 to make it happen Mar 08 14:37:00 i think gsoc probably just drowned in this whole mess and having it would be a win-win situation for the project Mar 08 14:37:24 (tbh I myself I'm still worried about whether to push to register maemo.org or not, as the SSU could surely get some students bumps ;) ) Mar 08 14:37:24 * gabrbedd munches popcorn and watches the flame-war on meego-dev Mar 08 14:37:37 Stskeeps: yes, quite agreed. Mar 08 14:37:52 gabrbedd: i applaud it for the fact we're actually discussing architecture in the open Mar 08 14:37:55 :P Mar 08 14:38:08 more like you're flaming past architecture decisions in the open ;) Mar 08 14:38:41 meh, what's the difference.. Mar 08 14:38:41 :P Mar 08 14:40:55 Stskeeps: agreed, but I think it's a dead horse. Mar 08 14:41:10 I can't imagine them changing their minds... no matter what the tech. Mar 08 14:41:49 for 1.2 the choices really had to be made now, so yeah Mar 08 14:41:59 +1 Mar 08 14:42:12 the important thing is that we get 1.2 out the door Mar 08 15:08:15 hi all Mar 08 15:09:55 what happening ? :-) Mar 08 15:10:11 not much Mar 08 15:10:24 good fight in the mailing list Mar 08 15:10:39 berndhs: bout ? Mar 08 15:11:02 berndhs: i fail to find and signal in meego mls lately Mar 08 15:11:31 berndhs: as if the project got abandomned which feels sad. Mar 08 15:11:33 was about decision to pick a sync method for contacts Mar 08 15:11:43 sivaN900, completely the opposite :) Mar 08 15:12:39 if anything the announcement has been a kick in the arse and from what I see pretty much all teams across the board are motoring along and getting further with things Mar 08 15:13:03 sivaN900: meego-dev ML Mar 08 15:13:30 lcuk: nice to know. i am limited to following mls mostly these days ans things seem quite low Mar 08 15:13:47 gbraad: let me recheck Mar 08 15:13:49 And yes, the dev-focused ML's have been pretty quiet since 1/1/11. Mar 08 15:14:18 sivaN900, well ML ebb and flow just as life Mar 08 15:14:20 gbraad: right. so i am not crazy :-) Mar 08 15:14:40 lcuk: where have been progress made ? Mar 08 15:14:42 sivaN900, I believe Venemo keeps asking for you btw Mar 08 15:15:23 lcuk: i know i am taking long breaks due to some personal issues moving and other administrativa Mar 08 15:15:30 sivaN900, well this is one really good focal point: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition Mar 08 15:15:55 lcuk: ineed - but asince then mostly ailence on mls Mar 08 15:15:58 sivaN900, of course, nobody expected you around 24/7! just letting you know he was wanting to chat with you Mar 08 15:16:12 sivaN900, because everyone has been busy on their n900s Mar 08 15:16:18 lcuk: is ear piec audio working ? Mar 08 15:16:19 actually getting in there and doing stuff on them Mar 08 15:16:29 I am not sure whether the mail client is quite working yet ;) Mar 08 15:16:33 very good then :) Mar 08 15:16:56 lcuk: mail is fine in MicroB Mar 08 15:17:06 sivaN900, same as everyone, if there is a piece of functionality that matters to you, find a bug for it, or file it Mar 08 15:17:17 and chase it up Mar 08 15:17:41 lcuk: i cant chase it known nothing about kernel hacking Mar 08 15:18:04 sivaN900, without a bug number a developer cannot track it though Mar 08 15:18:08 lcuk: bug is filed - is earpiece calls working ? Mar 08 15:18:27 and to follow something you care about, you only need to be interested and discuss and try to followup Mar 08 15:18:36 sivaN900, what is the number?! Mar 08 15:20:36 lcuk: let me try and not cry when i try to work bugs.meego.com through microb Mar 08 15:21:06 bugzi is fault here. microb is the best mobile browser ever Mar 08 15:22:07 my 3g is being throttled again Mar 08 15:22:08 ok sivaN900 - I see no bug relating to "earpiece" or "ear piece" - perhaps it is my bugzilla foo, or it is just requested here Mar 08 15:22:13 oh god Mar 08 15:22:19 its fixed, i think Mar 08 15:22:27 Stskeeps: it is ? Mar 08 15:22:30 that is positive Mar 08 15:22:53 indeed. Mar 08 15:22:54 yes, but may only be in :testing atm Mar 08 15:23:41 ok. and battery drain and toasting ? i recall this was a tricky bit with kernel forward porting. Mar 08 15:23:56 that's great! Mar 08 15:24:15 sivaN900: people working on it Mar 08 15:25:16 Stskeeps: ok when i have wall internet again i will try to test. what about touch driver issue ? Mar 08 15:25:24 hey sivaN900 Mar 08 15:25:29 sivaN900: fixed Mar 08 15:25:30 sivaN900, how're you? :) Mar 08 15:25:30 hey Venemo Mar 08 15:25:56 Venemo: hanging :) your video was amazing Mar 08 15:26:17 Venemo: i am not sure how to apply it though. Mar 08 15:27:43 Venemo: but this is better for private :) Mar 08 15:34:36 sivaN900: :) Mar 08 16:15:29 hmmm Bug 14234 Filed in Handset/Settings has been sent to nobody@meego.com even though component and area the bug filed in is correct as far as I know! how odd Mar 08 16:15:32 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14234 nor, Medium, ---, nobody, NEW, About Product Dialogue shows rootfs (Maemo) product string Mar 08 16:16:04 Stskeeps any ideas for the right host of a mailing list to coordinate the MeeGo port for the N900 work? Should we try meego.com or...? Mar 08 16:16:50 lcuk: odd indeed Mar 08 16:17:03 qgil_: it would be similar to this one: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-adaptation-intel-automotive Mar 08 16:17:19 where is the n900 stuff coordinated now? Mar 08 16:17:34 hi DawnFoster that would work perfectly Mar 08 16:18:01 Stskeeps: you know what to do to make the request, I assume? Mar 08 16:18:57 BTW, meego-events meeting in #meego-meeting in 45 minutes: http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Meetings Mar 08 16:18:59 changing list servers ? Mar 08 16:19:17 DawnFoster: one question about the name of the list still "intel automotive" refers to architecture-category, should we call this one simply N900 or follow the same schema Mar 08 16:19:47 qgil_: new ml for DE ? Mar 08 16:20:01 sivaN900: yes Mar 08 16:20:05 qgil_: yeah, that's a good question - depends on the scope of the work. Mar 08 16:20:11 didn't we have meego-arm ? Mar 08 16:20:18 qgil_: I'd prefer not to name it after a specific hardware Mar 08 16:20:33 and we should include adaptation in there somewhere to be consistent. Mar 08 16:20:35 qgil_: meego-arm Mar 08 16:20:53 there is no meego-arm mailing list Mar 08 16:21:10 DawnFoster: agreed - this needs a little more discussion then. Good points Mar 08 16:21:14 after all this is for OMAP arm stuff Mar 08 16:21:21 might make sense to lump arm handsets into one adaptation list? Mar 08 16:21:40 but part of the request process is to kick off a discussion on a mailing list Mar 08 16:21:46 so we can sort some of it out there Mar 08 16:22:03 Stskeeps: / Mar 08 16:22:29 DawnFoster: sounds sensible, at least is consistent with the precedent of intel-automotive (which I like) Mar 08 16:23:17 another option is to just keep using meego-arm until there is a need to split, as sivaN900 proposes Mar 08 16:23:27 DawnFoster: I'll go ask at meego-arm Mar 08 16:23:45 where is the meego-arm mailing list (not on meego servers) Mar 08 16:24:23 DawnFoster: right... he might be referring to #meego-arm Mar 08 16:24:44 ah, that would make sense - I know about that one Mar 08 16:25:27 but we need a mailing list - meego-adaptation-arm-handset would be an option Mar 08 16:25:49 sivaN900: were you talking about #meego-arm IRC or a amiling list? Mar 08 16:26:01 qgil_: maling list Mar 08 16:26:08 sivaN900: where is that? Mar 08 16:26:25 qgil_: if we dont have one we need to create one Mar 08 16:26:33 sivaN900: ok :) Mar 08 16:26:55 Then meego-adaptation-arm-handset looks like the consistent option Mar 08 16:27:21 qgil_: yes but do we need to adaptation there ? Mar 08 16:27:28 qgil_: eg the word Mar 08 16:27:31 won't that be a bit odd when running handset builds on pinetrail etc? Mar 08 16:27:52 qgil_: devloper edition would be more accurate no ? Mar 08 16:27:58 and here's the request process (just a reminder): http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines#Requesting_a_New_Mailing_List Mar 08 16:28:23 * CosmoHill just compiled Intel MPI Benchmark on VS2010 using MS-MPI :) Mar 08 16:28:43 CosmoHill: nice Mar 08 16:29:16 you add the MS-MPI directories, remove Intel MPI from requirements and done Mar 08 16:29:22 sivaN900: the "developer edition" is a project that combines adaptation + UX tasks in order to come up with a usable MeeG image for the N900 Mar 08 16:29:29 first you have to import Intel's VS2008 to VS2010 Mar 08 16:29:44 this policy drives adaptation (it has a specific meaning here): http://wiki.meego.com/Core_OS_Program/Kernel_policy Mar 08 16:29:52 and shouldn't be changed to another word Mar 08 16:29:59 qgil_: the ux tasks are minute though. Mar 08 16:30:34 qgil_: so ux tasks coordinated on meego-handset if we have it as an ml ? Mar 08 16:30:49 eg a vertical Mar 08 16:31:24 sivaN900: DawnFoster has been pushing an organic growth for mailing lists and I agree this is the right approach Mar 08 16:32:13 qgil_: cool - where would be to natural pl€e for n900 meego de ux discussions ? Mar 08 16:32:16 sivaN900: I'd rather start with a arm-handset mailing list and go for more only if needed Mar 08 16:32:27 sivaN900: we do have a meego-handset wg, which is where the ux discussions should be Mar 08 16:32:46 oops wg / mailing list Mar 08 16:32:48 qgil_: makes more sense to me :) Mar 08 16:34:37 alright, then an option is to start in meego-handset and open arm-handset when needed - another option is to start with the two lists for ux/adaptation since the beginning Mar 08 16:34:47 DawnFoster: any preference? Mar 08 16:35:47 I'd be fine with this starting in meego-handset Mar 08 16:35:49 lcuk, see https://bugs.meego.com/show_activity.cgi?id=14234 Mar 08 16:36:03 unless Stskeeps needs to keep it separate for some reason. Mar 08 16:36:18 I need Stskeeps to chime in with what he needs Mar 08 16:36:29 so meego-hanset for both low level platform stuff and ux for n900 ? Mar 08 16:36:59 DawnFoster: ok, so we will start in meego-handset (it exists already, underutilized atm) and then Stskeeps sivaN900 or anybody else can propose improvements based on the real usage we are doing Mar 08 16:37:11 andre__, thanks - that does not help though, I should check if the MeeGo Handset on Intel still shows up with Windows :P Mar 08 16:37:22 haha Mar 08 16:47:55 saidinesh5: hey ! Mar 08 16:48:27 saidinesh5: great news for syncevolution fans :-) read on mls Mar 08 17:00:21 meego events meeting starting in #meego-meeting in 2 minutes. Agenda here: http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Meetings Mar 08 17:01:41 DawnFoster: Thanks for the headsup Mar 08 17:01:58 what a thread Mar 08 17:02:04 -architecture. Mar 08 17:06:37 hey timoph Mar 08 17:08:58 Texrat: o/ Mar 08 17:09:18 Texrat: thanks for the nomination. I'm thinking about it Mar 08 17:09:58 just accept timoph :P Mar 08 17:10:09 :) Mar 08 17:10:10 guy like you is needed now timoph Mar 08 17:10:38 what are you guys on about? Mar 08 17:11:08 cosmohill you man timoph and I? Mar 08 17:11:13 yes Mar 08 17:11:18 Maemo council Mar 08 17:11:23 I nominated timoph Mar 08 17:11:26 dunno yet. I'm interested in it a bit but haven't really done too much maemo.org stuff recently Mar 08 17:11:29 and he's better accept Mar 08 17:11:33 he'd* Mar 08 17:11:34 :) Mar 08 17:11:54 nominated him for what? Mar 08 17:13:20 I just said: Maemo council Mar 08 17:13:38 election time again Mar 08 17:13:58 It is? Mar 08 17:14:01 * SpeedEvil looks down. Mar 08 17:14:54 hey jayabharath! Mar 08 17:15:17 thanks again for help with community device program wiki Mar 08 17:15:39 jayabharath did you see emails about automating the process? Mar 08 17:29:56 qgil_, DawnFoster: i'm not heading the Developer edition work, but one thing i was wary about was that while DE is an effort that effectively contributes back to meego, we maintain own releases on top of meego.. if such a effort belongs within meego, then i would propose meego-handset for the work Mar 08 17:30:31 Stskeeps: in meego-meeting now, let¡'s chat after that Mar 08 17:30:52 qgil_: yep, am at break in polish classes - will be back in an hour or so Mar 08 17:32:54 Stskeeps: ok, ping back when you are polished :) Mar 08 17:33:11 lol Mar 08 17:33:34 haha Mar 08 17:34:46 I thought Stskeeps was shiny enough already Mar 08 17:36:17 Shiny as in Firefly? ;) Mar 08 17:36:46 shiny as in "Man that Stskeeps is so awesome he shines!" Mar 08 17:36:57 *giggles* :) Mar 08 17:36:57 no polish required Mar 08 17:37:36 DawnFoster: I forgot to ask during the topic that does sponsored travel cover attendance to the warm-up too? Mar 08 17:38:21 timoph: we'll do it for a specified number of days based on budgets and let you pick the days you want to attend Mar 08 17:38:37 we should chat with bdub_ about this later Mar 08 17:38:41 ack Mar 08 17:38:49 DawnFoster, can people choose to stay the days only and commute? Mar 08 17:38:57 I'd like to make sure we give people enough days to attend at least some warm up Mar 08 17:39:07 (can't talk about this now & run other meeting) :) Mar 08 17:39:12 DawnFoster, timoph: Noted. Mar 08 17:40:00 * timoph needs to finish his session proposal Mar 08 17:43:52 did the MeeGo admin return from his vacation BTW? Mar 08 17:44:19 mikhas, who is the meego admin? Mar 08 17:44:24 "MeeGo admin"? Mar 08 17:44:25 I dont know Mar 08 17:44:36 That would be a nice job ;) Mar 08 17:45:12 X-Fade, so would MeeGo bacon taster Mar 08 17:45:16 well, sys admin then Mar 08 17:45:36 mikhas: could you tell us what you're after. we might be able to help you Mar 08 17:45:44 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13696#c7 Mar 08 17:45:46 mikhas: There is an IT team, but you need to be more specific:) Mar 08 17:45:47 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug 13696 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Request for dedicated meego-inputmethods ML Mar 08 17:45:51 lcuk: mmmmm. Mar 08 17:46:15 Adam Gretzinger is the meego sys admin, and yes he is back Mar 08 17:46:19 cool Mar 08 17:46:23 the mailing list request is in his queue :) Mar 08 17:46:26 bdub_: bacon doughnut :) Mar 08 17:46:32 mikhas, http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines#Requesting_a_New_Mailing_List Mar 08 17:46:36 I'll follow up today if I don't see anything from him Mar 08 17:46:43 X-Fade I was already thinking of it Mar 08 17:46:50 as DawnFoster helpfully pointed out for unrelated topic a bit ago Mar 08 17:47:01 mmmm X-Fade Mar 08 17:47:05 bdub_: An experience to never forget :) Mar 08 17:47:11 You know, down here in texas we deep fry bacon. Just saying. Mar 08 17:47:15 lcuk, huh? Mar 08 17:47:24 I think I covered all bases now Mar 08 17:47:29 bdub_, right now, I have the rest of an 18person pork roast Mar 08 17:47:44 which as tracy said, feeds 3+me Mar 08 17:48:24 bdub_, tho deep fried bacon sounds intruiging Mar 08 17:48:26 * lcuk tries it Mar 08 17:48:40 It does. Take fat, wrap it in fat, and then cook it in fat. Mar 08 17:49:15 intruiging. Mar 08 17:49:19 lcuk, here's the place: http://theeatenpath.com/2009/03/23/chicken-fried-bacon-sodolaks-country-inn-snook-tx/ Mar 08 17:50:33 lol bdub_ Mar 08 17:50:58 bdub_: are you the guy from LFS? Mar 08 17:52:09