**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 12 02:59:57 2011 Mar 12 06:10:04 is meego just the newest version of maemo? Mar 12 06:10:55 no, meego(.com) is a continuation of moblin but rearchitectured and with more maemo pieces Mar 12 06:11:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_krXOrg578 <-- LinuxMCE Orbiter on MeeGo, now running our Photo Screen Saver Mar 12 06:13:45 TSCHAKeee: is there any url for linuxmce architecture? Mar 12 06:16:49 Stskeeps: yes, this is what we have: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Developers_Guide Mar 12 06:17:42 ok, so centralized? Mar 12 06:18:07 yes Mar 12 06:27:36 where are you guys hiding your joggler kernels and .ks'es, btw? Mar 12 06:29:02 the kernel? it's vgrade's kernel-adaptation-joggler, in his OBS repo Mar 12 06:29:21 k Mar 12 06:29:46 the linuxmce stuff is all in my tschak909 project on OBS Mar 12 06:31:00 Stskeeps: the KS? http://svn.linuxmce.org/svn/branches/LinuxMCE-0810/src/MeeGo/ ;) Mar 12 06:32:58 k Mar 12 06:33:14 i'm collecting options what to do today while my wife is away on a course so Mar 12 06:34:32 what looks interesting? Mar 12 06:41:47 the LinuxMCE stuff requires an existing LinuxMCE installation Mar 12 06:42:04 as it is intended to bootstrap orbiters, and eventually media endpoint devices Mar 12 06:42:25 and after that, do cores and hybrids of these devices Mar 12 06:49:42 it's a penguinbait Mar 12 06:50:08 it does exits Mar 12 06:50:16 it does exist Mar 12 06:50:27 doing exits too would be fun :P Mar 12 07:44:36 good morning thiago_home :) Mar 12 07:59:32 Stskeeps: good morning Mar 12 10:08:55 kshots: sounds like xinput_calibrator has an issue then Mar 12 10:09:06 kshots: it might rely on a specific X extension Mar 12 10:09:46 hmm, maybe it needs XInput and not XInput2 Mar 12 10:14:26 who could I bug about http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/tools/repos/opensuse/ ? 11.4 is missing :) Mar 12 10:20:04 smoku: who? You file a bug in the bugtracker. Mar 12 10:20:31 (after checking that one does not exist) Mar 12 10:28:17 jonnor, there already is bug 14383 which I want to bug about ;P Mar 12 10:28:20 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14383 nor, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, SDK & Tools for openSUSE 11.4 Mar 12 10:29:11 smoku: five hours has gone since it was reported. Mar 12 10:29:43 oh, sorry, PST Mar 12 10:30:49 Add yourself to CC, bug on the bug in a week if nothing happens. Mar 12 10:30:58 Have some patience :) Mar 12 10:32:31 I quess I can live a week without upgrade :> Mar 12 10:33:46 You can most likely use the repositories for an older version on 11.4 Mar 12 12:08:35 is there a way to use .spec bundled in the source on OBS? Mar 12 13:05:37 Af'noon, all. Mar 12 13:05:41 afternon Mar 12 13:05:46 wazd_: pong Mar 12 13:05:47 morning Mar 12 13:41:30 What happends now that nokia left the project? Mar 12 13:42:26 they haven't left the project Mar 12 13:42:42 oh okay cool! Mar 12 13:42:47 I thought they did Mar 12 13:42:59 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition#Organization makes that fairly clear Mar 12 13:44:13 Stskeeps: o/ Mar 12 13:44:34 Is meego open source? Mar 12 13:44:37 Jaffa: http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/1103/cf/eb969ae58164.png Mar 12 13:45:29 Miesco: yes Mar 12 13:45:42 Stskeeps: 16 submissions so far... Mar 12 13:45:58 thiago_home: yeah, worrying Mar 12 13:46:04 Stskeeps: I'll submit one more Mar 12 13:49:40 Stskeeps: btw, how can I register for the SF Conference as a speaker? :) It asks for some kind of password, but not mine eventually Mar 12 13:50:01 wazd_: register as attendee and i think it upgrades you or something.. Mar 12 13:50:19 wazd_: the important thing is to submit your talk now Mar 12 13:52:28 thiago_home: yeah, already figured out a topic to discuss :) Mar 12 13:52:43 good Mar 12 13:52:47 now we need more topics Mar 12 13:52:52 I'm trying to convince all my colleagues Mar 12 13:53:04 thiago_home: though tickets for me are crazy expensive so I highly doubt that I'm gonna make it :) Mar 12 13:53:26 wazd_: I think you can say somewhere in the form that you need financial support Mar 12 13:53:29 * lbt notes the dietary restriction of "non-diary" and picks it since he's allergic to calendars.... Mar 12 13:54:30 thiago_home: FYI I'm working on mine .... vendor automation tools and the vendor ecosystem Mar 12 13:55:01 Lets see, looking for a good OS for netbooks... " Windows®. Life without WallsTM."... Well there woudldn't be windows without walls so... Mar 12 13:56:19 unless you're in a Dali universe Mar 12 13:56:39 that might be fun Mar 12 13:57:03 * thiago_home likes Miró though Mar 12 14:46:51 Hello :] is there any map/gps solution for MeeGo yt? Mar 12 14:46:54 yet * Mar 12 14:47:59 javispedro: so you managed to get it submitted? Mar 12 14:48:13 yep Mar 12 14:48:35 :) Mar 12 14:48:40 good Mar 12 14:49:44 Stskeeps: what do you tthink bout CSSU icon btw? :) Mar 12 14:49:59 wazd_: looks cool, not really involved with cssu so i didnt think it my place to comment ;) Mar 12 14:51:59 http://vimeo.com/19564426 enjoy Mar 12 15:22:41 does mic2 still need an ssse3 CPU to make a meego image? Mar 12 15:23:54 arm? Mar 12 15:27:37 no - for the joggler Mar 12 15:27:52 ah Mar 12 15:27:56 give it a shot? .. Mar 12 15:28:01 last time I tried it was ssse3 only .... Mar 12 15:28:03 yep I am Mar 12 15:28:09 then maybe it still is Mar 12 15:28:10 just making an opensuse VM Mar 12 15:28:32 hey, does anyone know the command line to prevent computer from going to standby when i close the lid? Mar 12 15:28:52 lcukn900: which OS ? Mar 12 15:29:06 meego netbook Mar 12 15:29:09 it's an ACPI event handler Mar 12 15:29:45 are there any people from TI in this channel? Mar 12 15:29:48 i am sitting in cafe and have to keep the lid open atm to charge n900 Mar 12 15:30:13 lcukn900: OK - not off top of my head ... sry Mar 12 15:30:39 ta anyway Mar 12 15:31:01 !!! slate mode with lock screen Mar 12 15:31:08 grep -ri acpi /etc/ Mar 12 15:31:43 slate mode worked actually lol Mar 12 15:32:03 :) Mar 12 15:32:30 hey daivd, at this telecomms thing they have all sorts of stuff Mar 12 15:32:56 lcukn900: telcos do ... Mar 12 15:33:07 a display with busby on and too questions Mar 12 15:33:18 communication is worse today because... Mar 12 15:33:33 and they gave postits and pencils to answer Mar 12 15:33:34 a BUSBY! Mar 12 15:33:55 lol Mar 12 15:34:18 the answers ring certain bells Mar 12 15:34:19 btw..... they're looking for "body language" Mar 12 15:34:38 they don't get 'lol' ;) Mar 12 15:35:04 of course ! Mar 12 15:35:36 was good playing lemmings on an amiga, saved 95pc on first go Mar 12 15:39:42 * lcukn900 goes and looks round the rest of the stuff, bbl Mar 12 15:44:04 lbt: isn't there usually a guy from texas instruments who frequents here? do you remember who? Mar 12 15:45:13 sjokkis: mmm Mar 12 15:45:41 sjokkis: there's a few Mar 12 15:46:50 i think the guy i talked to earlier was from india, or at least had a name that sounded like it Mar 12 15:47:17 * lbt can't recall - or find notes Mar 12 15:47:42 Stskeeps: any idea who that might have been? Mar 12 15:48:14 jkridner is on Freenode, although not here. Mar 12 15:48:49 no, it was this channel Mar 12 15:49:00 sjokkis: sounds like nishanthmenon Mar 12 15:49:11 might have been! Mar 12 15:49:23 i'll keep it in mind and ask him next time he's around. thanks Mar 12 15:55:00 yes nishanth is doing OMAP4 and also some meego things in that context Mar 12 16:03:44 There we go... Session about Gluon submitted :) Hopefully we'll make the cut this time 'round! :) http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/gaming-freedom-makers-and-players Mar 12 16:07:45 thanks leinir Mar 12 16:08:56 Hey, you're welcome! :) Mar 12 16:09:05 Just hope it's interesting enough to get past the selection this time - the lightning talk in Dublin was really nice, but it'd be nifty to get a proper session this time :) Mar 12 16:25:35 I can't imaginem the sessions being easier to get for unaffiliated types this time around. Mar 12 16:25:42 Given the industry and press focus. Mar 12 16:26:05 right Mar 12 17:19:15 28/781 Mar 12 17:21:45 28? Mar 12 17:22:09 linux firmware... Mar 12 17:22:33 now : Installing: tar ##################### [198/781] Mar 12 17:22:36 :) Mar 12 17:23:16 ah Mar 12 19:19:07 hello Mar 12 19:29:44 vasvlad_: ping? :) Mar 12 19:42:22 thiago_home Stskeeps -- re session presentations, would it be of interest fot me to present info/demo/tutorial on "MeeGolem hack" ( https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14129 ) and all the goodies you can easily install with it? Mar 12 19:42:25 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug 14129 maj, Low, ---, yan.yin, NEW, DumbUser says "MeeGo is broken I can't watch my videos, hear my music, or receive podcasts and there Mar 12 19:42:48 * npm adding http://openshot.org/ to the list of apps Mar 12 19:43:08 or about "this" close to success Mar 12 19:46:07 I could also call the session how to translate this dependency list into meegoeeze: build-essential python-dev libgtk2.0-dev swig autoconf libtool automake libbz2-dev yasm checkinstall python-pygoocanvas libsdl1.2-dev libdv4-dev libxml2-dev sox libsox-dev libvorbis-dev libtheora-dev libsamplerate0-dev kino dvgrab jack jack-rack libjack-dev ladspa-sdk libquicktime1 libquicktime-dev libfaac" Mar 12 19:46:16 npm: More of a lightning talk or demo slot? Mar 12 19:46:48 well there's plenty to talk about, and probably more to discuss Mar 12 19:49:18 i figure i could turn my yet-unpublished responses to this thread ( http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-March/003675.html ) into the talk Mar 12 19:49:23 :) Mar 12 19:51:51 npm: submit if you would like to present, we'll evaluate topics and see what makes sense Mar 12 19:52:50 well there's no point in submitting if it's not an appropriate topic, and it competes with AppUp :-) Mar 12 19:53:14 thus potentially politically incorrect :-) Mar 12 19:53:33 npm: isn't meegolem a non-compliant adaptation of meego ? Mar 12 19:53:44 which is a perfectly valid use of meego Mar 12 19:53:48 npm: check cfp for what makes sense. meego isn't about certain companies and their products only Mar 12 19:53:59 no, it's a hack i run on my netbook to prevent me from deinstalling meego and running fedora Mar 12 19:54:15 it might also prevent others from doing the same Mar 12 19:55:32 c.f. "Linux Outlaws" MeeGo netbook competition with entry form password "NokiaFail" and the statement "at least give it a shot before deinstalling" and letter-feedback "so and so tried meego and agreed... the s10-3t is now running linux mint" Mar 12 19:56:18 npm: we'd rather have too many presentations to select from than too few :) Mar 12 19:56:33 just like "Fedora compliance" results in systems that are unusable without RPMFusion Mar 12 20:00:21 ( http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/194 @~88':00" ... http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/193 http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/192 ) Mar 12 20:13:25 * npm decideds to be explicit about noncompliance and explain that most people running a popular distro like fedora do this http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f14.html and stop being fedora compliant. Others run ubuntu's codec manager or install Linux Mint to achieve same effect... Mar 12 20:16:40 npm: compliance is a weapon to wield for $bigcorp against $othercorp for $competitive_advantage Mar 12 20:17:26 and to negate pursuit of comptetitive advantage Mar 12 20:20:09 people don't like it when I put it that way, but IMHO effectively compliance and 5616 subverted _all_ serious community effort or at least set it back by serious ammounts of time while the reference implementation prospered Mar 12 20:21:20 there's an 'ARM' missing in there Mar 12 20:24:23 That's BS. Compliance is a weapon to allow the hapless user to install App A on System B and it "just works" as long as both are "MeeGo". Mar 12 20:24:53 If that's not enforced, then when App A doesn't install on System B, user says, "MeeGo sux... I'm going back to windows." Mar 12 20:33:25 gabrbedd: that was the _intent_ but the actual usage is what I described. go, prove, me, wrong. you won't manage to. Mar 12 20:40:30 Stskeeps: so.... image made on my AMD phenom (in an openSuse 11.2 kvm VM) Mar 12 20:40:32 Else I wouldn't be hosting several adaptations Mar 12 20:40:54 dm8tbr: so where are we on that hosting issue Mar 12 20:41:22 Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/1664431 is that error at the end a problem? IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor Mar 12 20:41:37 lbt: things are serving fine, under the fabulous name of 'mg'. Mar 12 20:41:47 vgrade: ping .... Mar 12 20:42:02 I wonder what the status on meego-rnd is Mar 12 20:42:11 dm8tbr: meego-rnd ? Mar 12 20:42:24 gabrbedd, your "app B on system B" will not directly run anyway? Mar 12 20:42:35 especially if we are talking meego handset Mar 12 20:42:40 bug 13516 Mar 12 20:42:42 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, ASSI, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of ", a MeeGo R&D project" Mar 12 20:42:48 or did we sort out single unified binaries? Mar 12 20:44:16 gabrbedd, however, being able to obtain the same app from repository and install/use on various machines seems practical :) Mar 12 20:44:58 lcuk: Yes... arch differences break things up. :-9 Mar 12 20:45:54 gabrbedd, is it feasible to have universal binaries? Mar 12 20:46:04 NeXT just bundled stuff together into an .app bundle Mar 12 20:46:04 or self compiled stuff Mar 12 20:46:08 :( Mar 12 20:46:11 touch screens are dangerous Mar 12 20:46:12 this included binaries for the different arches Mar 12 20:46:20 I believe .net recompiles after downloading new packages Mar 12 20:46:21 and made changes to the loader to deal with it Mar 12 20:46:27 * timeless_w7ip tried to touch the [start] button but it ran away and so i hit an [x] instead Mar 12 20:46:29 timeless_w7ip, sharp edges? Mar 12 20:46:30 hint: binary compatibility applies between n900, beagleboard and a5it as the SoC's are either identical or near identical Mar 12 20:46:35 this carried over into OS X Mar 12 20:46:47 just that one of them is officially endorsed, none of them are compliant Mar 12 20:47:08 dm8tbr, that sounds more confusing Mar 12 20:47:34 lcuk: I don't know. Whether the binaries are universal or not... seems like universal /packages/ might be feasible. Mar 12 20:47:53 gabrbedd, only until the next cpu arch comes along Mar 12 20:48:19 lcuk: Ha! Yeah. :-) Mar 12 20:48:38 * lcuk thinks data compatability would be simpler to describe than binary application compatability Mar 12 20:48:44 lcuk: well, or until meego switches to HFP Mar 12 20:48:49 gabrbedd: universal packages only make people happy if there are only 2 formats Mar 12 20:49:04 otherwise the bandwidth costs are prohibitive Mar 12 20:49:22 * lcuk holds hand up Mar 12 20:49:40 lcuk: TI SGX is not available as HFP, so even if bug 5616 gets fixed once again only one of the three aforementioned will have working meego Mar 12 20:49:42 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5616 nor, Undecided, ---, viroteck, ASSI, Certain fonts are garbled Mar 12 20:49:49 is QML capable of working on different archs? Mar 12 20:50:22 lcuk: QML is arch independent... but... Mar 12 20:50:27 why not? Mar 12 20:50:31 lcuk: It has to be loaded from a binary program. Mar 12 20:50:31 or is that more "as long as the app is pure qml and does not use any binary components" Mar 12 20:51:02 if the build time of apps was not so prohibative Mar 12 20:51:11 having a source code only repository would be awesome Mar 12 20:51:19 QML is arch independent, but apparently not platform/vertical independent Mar 12 20:51:33 at least not reall soon Mar 12 20:51:37 lcuk: Using qmlviewer is officially NOT recommended for deploying apps. Mar 12 20:51:40 there's no such thing as a pure qml app afaik Mar 12 20:52:06 timeless_w7ip: right thats the problem Mar 12 20:52:06 lcuk: They're supposed to be loaded from a binary via QDeclarativeSomethingOrOther Mar 12 20:52:07 gabrbedd, the qmlviewer is just a launcher, you are right, it should not be required Mar 12 20:52:29 if we have window manager thingies that are QML though, won't they have dynamic sub process launch stuff built in? Mar 12 20:52:39 However, I imagine it won't be long before qmlviewer is used to deploy QML-only apps. Mar 12 20:53:10 oooh found my n810 barrel charger Mar 12 20:53:16 * lcuk pleased moved stuff around today Mar 12 20:55:26 barrel? Mar 12 20:55:38 i.e. mini round instead of thick or usb? Mar 12 20:56:32 timeless_w7ip, yeah, n810 had old thin round charger Mar 12 21:01:56 daily-testing question: The new image for daily testing which is 0311 Mar 12 21:01:58 http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.90.7.20110311.84/ Mar 12 21:02:03 sorry i just don't recognize 'barrel' as the descriptive for it Mar 12 21:02:09 has anyone put it on and tried installing stuff with it? Mar 12 21:02:38 timeless_w7ip, search web for "nokia barrel" brings up many power related results Mar 12 21:02:46 hey lcuk :D Mar 12 21:03:05 timeless_w7ip, it is just the English description for it I suppose. Mar 12 21:03:47 * lcuk never heard it described as anything else Mar 12 21:06:30 i think nokia probably calls them "high efficiency" chargers :) Mar 12 21:06:55 but i think i've mostly heard it called "mini" Mar 12 21:07:02 as opposed ot the bigger "classic" charger Mar 12 21:08:33 the problem w/ "barrel" is that nokia has made 2 round chargers Mar 12 21:10:15 has anyone tried to build Meego for a HTC Desire here? Mar 12 21:11:30 timeless_w7ip, yes often described as little barrel and big barrel, don't ask me why - you are the language expert! Mar 12 21:16:26 shadeslayer: First google hit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtnfHNjcdzg Mar 12 21:17:05 gabrbedd: can you come in #meego-arm? Mar 12 21:17:16 maybe try to track that guy down. :-) Mar 12 21:17:37 gabrbedd: i've actually advanced to a new stage Mar 12 21:17:46 where i get 404 errors on URL;s Mar 12 21:17:59 repo url's i mean Mar 12 21:18:05 I would come... but I don't do arm... sorry. Mar 12 21:18:18 gabrbedd: http://paste.kde.org/7193 Mar 12 21:18:20 As for 404 repo errors... lcuk filed a bug on those... Mar 12 21:18:25 and http://blog.mitsutaka.org/2010/11/meego-11-for-nexusone-status-and-how-to.html Mar 12 21:18:29 But I think he got it worked out somehow. Mar 12 21:19:07 well i'm using the nexus one config file since the hardware is pretty much the same Mar 12 21:19:29 oh and is it possible to get Meego 1.2 instead of 1.1? Mar 12 21:19:45 shadeslayer: oh... those 404 errors with mic. Mar 12 21:19:48 yes Mar 12 21:19:49 That's different. Mar 12 21:20:07 Maybe try cleaning out your package cache. Mar 12 21:20:15 That's helped me fix that in the past. Mar 12 21:20:23 shadeslayer, the USB networking was using 127.0.0.1 to do DNS lookup within zypper (or something) Mar 12 21:20:29 gabrbedd: can i get meego 1.2 by changing the urls etc? Mar 12 21:20:37 * gabrbedd would like to get to the bottom of the repository cache poisoning... Mar 12 21:20:50 lcuk: er .. i didn't get a single word Mar 12 21:21:02 shadeslayer: No... meego 1.2 isn't released yet. Mar 12 21:21:21 shadeslayer: But the current dev. snapshot can be got by changing urls etc. Mar 12 21:21:48 gabrbedd: what's the current snapshot version? 1.1.90? Mar 12 21:22:19 look in http://repos.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ Mar 12 21:22:31 I don't know the current snapshot version. Mar 12 21:24:06 lcuk: how often is the repo-latest updated? is it daily? weekly? Mar 12 21:24:35 timeless_w7ip, not sure, I have been on bleeding edge daily-testing for a while Mar 12 21:26:34 just in case, is there any way to skin netbook-meego's window? :) Mar 12 21:27:25 wazd_, there should be, it is part of the theme data isn't it? Mar 12 21:27:41 there are some folks who are playing with moblin stuff Mar 12 21:27:53 and afaik that has changed theme etc Mar 12 21:29:22 lcuk: no, I mean just one window, not the whole system :) Mar 12 21:31:13 wazd_: Don't know about "re-theming" a single window... however, you can set the frameless window flag... and draw your own. Mar 12 21:32:46 e.g. in Qt your top-level widget will call something like QWidget::setWindowFlags( Qt::Window | Qt::FramelessWindowHint ) Mar 12 21:35:54 reboot ... bbiab Mar 12 21:38:19 any ideas what "MeeGo Handset Applications Branding" was changed too? Mar 12 21:40:56 to make things clear, any chance to do this? http://s61.radikal.ru/i173/1103/ea/1c08c252d0bd.png Mar 12 21:45:27 wazd_: You have to write a panel plugin for mutter-meego. AFAIK, it has to be written in GTK+. Mar 12 21:45:38 hi to all ! can someone point me please to somewhere telling how to install meego on n900 while keeping maemo ? Mar 12 21:47:13 kpoman, MeeGo on N900 is geared towards installing on the external MMC :) ie does not intefere with normal Maemo running Mar 12 21:47:47 lcuk: yep but apparently the multiboot thing breaks maemo if you uninstall the extra os ? Mar 12 21:49:16 kpoman, not looked Mar 12 21:52:06 oh crap didn't know that videos from Dublin are published :D Mar 12 21:52:19 I'm sooo embarassed :) Mar 12 21:52:45 links! Mar 12 21:52:56 you were bouncing more than others Mar 12 21:53:04 * lcuk noted you were reaching the ceiling! Mar 12 21:53:30 lcuk: I don't wanna to even watch it :D Mar 12 21:54:04 wanna* Mar 12 21:54:14 daaaamn :) Mar 12 21:54:25 That's not me, that's some other guy :) Mar 12 21:55:23 gabrbedd: re "would like to get to the bottom of the repository cache poisoning" -- what is the issue? Mar 12 21:57:27 npm: Typical pattern: zypper is broken (says it can't find some file called aasd987as98as987d987as9d87a8s7d9a87sdasd-filenames.xml.gz), user fixes problem by issuing `zypper clean --all` or `sudo rm -rf /var/cache/zypp` Mar 12 21:57:32 Happens too often. Mar 12 21:57:38 Zypper should be "self-healing" Mar 12 21:59:39 make sure your networking didn't bork while it was doing that Mar 12 22:00:08 npm: zypper needs to know how to recover from a failed transaction. Mar 12 22:00:11 wazd_, ? Mar 12 22:00:13 lol Mar 12 22:00:19 it was you! Mar 12 22:00:32 I might even also have captured a photo of you too because I giggled when I saw you Mar 12 22:03:13 i regularly see "curl error for ..." reading metadata Mar 12 22:05:06 plus stuff about unexpected return codes (430?) Mar 12 22:05:29 lcuk: no, this guy has long hair, I don't :P Mar 12 22:05:47 wazd_, where is the video? Mar 12 22:05:51 of not you Mar 12 22:06:07 lcuk: http://conference2010.meego.com/session/designing-apps-mobile-devices Mar 12 22:06:15 oh no Mar 12 22:06:18 not mine :) Mar 12 22:06:42 http://conference2010.meego.com/session/application-design-survival-guide-programmers Mar 12 22:06:45 there it is Mar 12 22:07:12 cool Mar 12 22:07:54 wazd_, yeah, that guy (who is not you :P) was the one who was using the trampoline in the brewery Mar 12 22:08:13 lcuk: aaah, yeah Mar 12 22:08:16 lcuk: that was me :) Mar 12 22:08:33 that was one hell of an awesome night! Mar 12 22:08:38 yeeeah Mar 12 22:08:42 gabrbedd: does the zypper issue have to do with "zypper wp" being broken as well Mar 12 22:08:52 still has video from it btw :D Mar 12 22:09:01 npm: how is `wp` broken? Mar 12 22:09:49 checking again... seems to miss stuff although now that i just tested ... it found it ok. Mar 12 22:10:37 esp if you install from an external repo Mar 12 22:11:14 wazd_, I am watching the video Mar 12 22:11:38 but you are refering to your presentation often, I think other shave uploaded their slides and linked them on the conf site - do you have yours uploaded? Mar 12 22:12:07 s/shave/s have/ Mar 12 22:12:07 lcuk meant: but you are refering to your presentation often, I think other s have uploaded their slides and linked them on the conf site - do you have yours uploaded? Mar 12 22:13:20 for example if you install google chrome via http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-February/003570.html ... then do 'zypper wp /usr/bin/google-chrome' and 'zypper wp /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome' -- neither work Mar 12 22:13:42 even though chrome does Mar 12 22:14:30 lcuk: I guess no :( Mar 12 22:14:30 but underlying, "rpm -qf /usr/bin/google-chrome" works Mar 12 22:14:43 lcuk: forgot bout it totally :( Mar 12 22:14:52 wazd_, do you still have the ppt for them? Mar 12 22:15:21 thus zypper seems unable to access RPM info Mar 12 22:15:34 lcuk: yep, somewhere Mar 12 22:15:47 npm: `zypper wp google-chrome` is a known limitation of zypper. Mar 12 22:16:10 it is? is there a bug or specific thing that causes it? Mar 12 22:16:11 OTOH, yum supports this. Mar 12 22:16:18 yes, yum works fine Mar 12 22:16:30 except it doesn't give me repo priorities like zypper Mar 12 22:16:56 I found a bug report or ML post in upstream zypper where it was classified as WONTFIX Mar 12 22:17:01 which is how i make the "meegolem hack" safe (unless you allow zypper to start deinstalling meego :-)) Mar 12 22:17:04 it works stable with .so files, though. Mar 12 22:17:17 FWIW, the information is in the cache... zypper just doesn't use it. Mar 12 22:17:19 sort of Mar 12 22:17:22 on the .so files Mar 12 22:18:24 i wonder if there's some customization to make it use the cache info Mar 12 22:25:26 npm: I'd say that 80% of the time `zypper search` does what you need. Mar 12 23:32:45 hi, mic-image-writer has been stuck for the last 5 minutes at 100 % Mar 12 23:32:47 any ideas? Mar 12 23:35:04 shadeslayer, the write will use ram to buffer to the slow flash, give it time Mar 12 23:35:17 brr Mar 12 23:35:24 vgrade: ok so i have some questions Mar 12 23:35:39 a) is a 2GB microsd card enough? Mar 12 23:35:51 shadeslayer, no I don't wear frocks :) Mar 12 23:35:56 b) i unmounted my microsd card via clockworkmod Mar 12 23:35:58 vgrade: lol Mar 12 23:36:15 vgrade: i was hoping to assist you guys in porting meego to the HTC Desire Mar 12 23:36:50 ( unmounted it after the disk was written 100 % but the time kept on going ) Mar 12 23:36:56 Desire, thats the Nexus One Mar 12 23:37:18 pretty much yes Mar 12 23:37:39 nearly same hardware ... except the desire has no secondary mike and a optical trackball Mar 12 23:37:43 oh and more RAM Mar 12 23:37:44 I think termana had some sucess with that Mar 12 23:37:57 well Mar 12 23:37:59 I've not done a build for sometime now Mar 12 23:38:03 yeah Mar 12 23:38:12 things have moved on on the repos Mar 12 23:38:22 and meegotouch Mar 12 23:38:25 yeah .. i had to fix some repos manually Mar 12 23:38:44 vgrade: http://pastebin.com/Y7mZqpuJ Mar 12 23:38:52 that's my desire.ks Mar 12 23:38:58 I'm working tegra2 and pandaboard but still have an eye on nexus Mar 12 23:39:19 :D Mar 12 23:39:28 lardman had a great idea this week on getting acelerated gfx going Mar 12 23:39:30 pandaboards are awesome Mar 12 23:39:36 oooh Mar 12 23:39:38 nice Mar 12 23:39:59 hey vgrade Mar 12 23:40:24 lbt_, hi Mar 12 23:40:38 just attempting to make a joggler image Mar 12 23:40:57 vgrade: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_krXOrg578 ;) Mar 12 23:41:14 lbt, you will probably have the same issues as shadeslayer, repos moving etc Mar 12 23:41:26 I have a custom .ks Mar 12 23:41:31 lbt: yeah me too Mar 12 23:41:52 lbt, do you have the emgd latest stuff Mar 12 23:42:27 http://pastie.org/1664981 Mar 12 23:42:54 that's it? :D Mar 12 23:42:56 TSCHAKeee, nice, you didn't reply to the ARM question Mar 12 23:43:05 what was that? Mar 12 23:43:16 shadeslayer: just the important changes Mar 12 23:43:25 lbt, 1875, nice. not tried those yet Mar 12 23:43:28 okay Mar 12 23:43:33 lbt: so should i add that stuff? Mar 12 23:43:38 lbt: http://pastebin.com/Y7mZqpuJ Mar 12 23:43:48 shadeslayer: dunno... it's writing to usb now Mar 12 23:43:49 lol .. it's 5 AM here Mar 12 23:43:52 lbt: okay Mar 12 23:43:55 same here Mar 12 23:43:57 shadeslayer, no EMGD is for intel GMA500 gfx Mar 12 23:43:58 I'll be astonished if it boots ;) Mar 12 23:44:16 vgrade: okay .. i'm a newbie here ;P Mar 12 23:45:32 vgrade: i don't see anything about EMGD in the ks file Mar 12 23:45:54 shadeslayer: emgd is only needed for Intel GPUs Mar 12 23:46:02 the GMA500 specifically Mar 12 23:46:04 lbt, the problem will be if the 1875 requires a patch to the kernel Mar 12 23:46:17 vgrade: OK Mar 12 23:46:33 lbt: can you tell me the exact line number? Mar 12 23:46:37 lbt, I think I saw a related IVI kernel commit around the time of the 1875 commit Mar 12 23:46:57 i've actually taken this ks from the wiki and changed the repos Mar 12 23:47:35 got to go guys, bye , let me know how you get on Mar 12 23:47:42 cya Mar 12 23:47:44