**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 15 02:59:57 2011 Mar 15 03:15:06 zq Mar 15 05:02:13 Hi Mar 15 05:02:26 Is it polite if I ask something? Mar 15 05:04:22 neogeo: yes. Don't ask to ask... just ask. Then maybe someone will answer. Mar 15 05:04:23 you just did ask something... ;-) Mar 15 05:04:50 hehe sorry :) Mar 15 05:06:14 Actually I'm trying to boot meego on qemu, building and qflashing was fine but it just stopped after booting on kernel side. I don't know why.. so I just want to get kernel source code since I want to debug by myself Mar 15 05:06:30 Where I can get the proper source patches for kernel ? Mar 15 05:06:51 I'm using kernel image in http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-handset-armv7l-qemu/ Mar 15 05:08:43 neogeo: The matching sources are here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/source/ Mar 15 05:08:59 oh I see Mar 15 05:09:01 neogeo: Have you tried to ssh into the qemu boot? Mar 15 05:09:05 Thank you very much! Mar 15 05:09:10 nope not yet Mar 15 05:09:15 I'll try that either ! Mar 15 05:09:29 I suggest trying that first... look at the logs to see what's happening. Mar 15 05:09:45 First log to look at will be /tmp/Xorg.0.meego.log Mar 15 05:09:51 ...or something like that. Mar 15 05:10:16 IIRC, qemu problems are usually a video problem. :-) Mar 15 05:11:33 hmm there is no response at all Mar 15 05:12:15 The Ip address I should use is , the address I've set with -redir tcp bla bla.. right? Mar 15 05:18:41 * gabrbedd is looking it up... been a while. Mar 15 05:21:41 neogeo: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Configuring_QEMU_runtimes#SSH_into_QEMU_Image Mar 15 05:22:06 Thank you very much! Mar 15 05:33:12 good morning Mar 15 05:33:18 grrr Mar 15 05:33:38 hi Mar 15 06:41:23 wazd: do you have slides? Mar 15 06:41:44 wazd: and do you want feedback on your presentation? Mar 15 06:42:19 beyond the basics (get the slides up, and pronunciation notes), you should always repeat questions asked by the audience Mar 15 07:55:47 o/ raster Mar 15 09:23:24 * timeless_w7ip pokes lcuk Mar 15 09:27:50 wazd, on the subject of UI.. http://timeless.justdave.net/gallery/v/n8/ Mar 15 09:31:44 timeless, morning Mar 15 09:32:57 hi to all Mar 15 09:33:10 lcuk: morning Mar 15 09:34:26 i'm a nokia and linux user from years. Someone know howto query to Sebastian Nystroem? are on freenode? Mar 15 09:34:45 mol0tov: err Mar 15 09:34:48 he's kinda busy Mar 15 09:34:58 i'd rather hope he *isn't* reachable by irc Mar 15 09:35:23 it's kinda like asking if Joe Biden is available via irc Mar 15 09:36:04 i tryed, np Mar 15 09:36:11 thankyou Mar 15 09:36:13 what do you actually want to do? Mar 15 09:36:47 he's probably currently drowning under internal requests Mar 15 09:36:48 i read today on a italian newspaper that are the new project manager for meego Mar 15 09:37:28 so i want to say him why people don't buy nokia phones in italy Mar 15 09:37:49 and how linux can help nokia to sell more phones Mar 15 09:37:50 he's the wrong person to talk to Mar 15 09:37:54 take it to the -bar please Mar 15 09:38:13 he's been asked to help some group ship a product and to plan a future Mar 15 09:38:25 the product itself already has its target audience and most other parameters set Mar 15 09:38:39 yes i know Mar 15 09:38:47 i want to say my opinion Mar 15 09:38:57 trying to address another target audience (which may or may not already be targeted) now would only delay things Mar 15 09:39:04 this can help linux and nokia Mar 15 09:39:13 and that's not helpful to any product Mar 15 09:39:36 anyway, last point before timoph's -bar request... Mar 15 09:39:45 i'm a member of a italian phones forum Mar 15 09:39:45 the thing that will help linux/nokia is shipping a product Mar 15 09:40:02 timoph suggested #meego-bar i guess Mar 15 09:40:08 yep Mar 15 09:40:28 * timeless_w7ip would suggest not bothering or asking someone who speaks Italian + good English for an explanation of the above Mar 15 09:40:39 if nokia switch to windows phone, the people (here in italy) buy samsung or android. this is a fact Mar 15 09:40:53 here in italy i mean Mar 15 09:41:02 i don't know in other country Mar 15 09:41:24 Sebastian has nothing to do w/ WP7 @ nokia Mar 15 09:41:39 so contacting him is pointless Mar 15 09:41:48 who i can contact? Mar 15 09:41:54 anyway, please use #meego-bar if you feel you must say anything else on this topic Mar 15 09:42:05 is a stupid thing switch to windows phone for italian market Mar 15 09:42:27 ethically and commercially Mar 15 09:42:36 MoL0ToV: this is not a nokia channel Mar 15 09:42:42 ok sorry Mar 15 09:42:54 i join -bar channel Mar 15 09:42:58 thanks Mar 15 09:43:17 you too Mar 15 09:51:34 X-Fade: lbt: do you know who is the sysadmin for creating mailing lists? Mar 15 09:51:44 dawn foster, there's a bugzilla item for this Mar 15 09:51:45 and a guideline Mar 15 09:51:51 Stskeeps: I got the approval Mar 15 09:51:56 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13696 Mar 15 09:51:59 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug 13696 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Request for dedicated meego-inputmethods ML Mar 15 09:52:08 It just has not been acted upon Mar 15 09:52:14 * lbt cries Mar 15 09:53:13 jonnor: We can't access the lists just yet :) Mar 15 09:53:21 jonnor: So can't help you there. Mar 15 09:53:45 X-Fade: do you know who can? Mar 15 09:54:03 jonnor: Afaik Dawn is in charge of that? Mar 15 09:54:09 Dawn has been prodded about it as well, but nothing, so I figured go straight to the sysadmin. Mar 15 09:54:31 jonnor: It is not about access, it is about policy. Mar 15 09:54:44 jonnor: Even if I could, I wouldn't do it before approval :) Mar 15 09:55:39 X-Fade: as you can see in the bug, approval has been given Mar 15 09:55:53 *commented asking for news* Mar 15 09:56:26 hi x-fade, lbt Mar 15 09:56:31 .. stskeeps Mar 15 09:57:43 Oh well. If anyone knows the appropriate person, please point them to https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13696 Mar 15 09:57:46 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug 13696 nor, Undecided, ---, dawn.m.foster, NEW, Request for dedicated meego-inputmethods ML Mar 15 10:14:56 * timeless_w7ip repokes lcuk :) Mar 15 10:23:22 timeless_w7ip, hold on sorting through a stack of mail and pms and channels Mar 15 10:40:43 hi All, I have compiled, and installed meegotouch-inputmethodframework taking the .rpm in my QEMU setup for Meego1.1 Handset UX Mar 15 10:41:02 now i want to do a source level debugging of that package Mar 15 10:41:06 how can i do that Mar 15 10:41:18 can someone give some advice Mar 15 10:41:25 install the sources, recompile it Mar 15 10:46:17 yes i have done that Mar 15 10:46:56 thiago: My question is how to debug? Whether to use Qtcreator for this or gdb? Mar 15 10:47:13 i have compiled inside QEMU prompt Mar 15 10:47:49 use the environment you prefer Mar 15 10:48:28 is it possible through QtCreator ? Mar 15 10:48:48 yes Mar 15 10:48:54 how to do that as it is available on my Ubuntu Mar 15 10:49:00 no idea Mar 15 10:49:17 and i want to debug a .so which is inside QEMU Mar 15 10:49:43 thiago: so you got the problem Mar 15 10:50:09 bkalinga: ask google Mar 15 10:51:10 yeah i have already searched but no significant help Mar 15 10:51:56 no, I don't Mar 15 10:52:11 is it of a different architecture? Mar 15 10:53:26 bkalinga: did you search for qemu+gdb? Mar 15 10:54:10 timeless_w7ip, right, gmorning \o Mar 15 10:54:13 and how much are you running in qemu? Mar 15 10:54:28 the lazy approach is to run gdb in qemu w/ everything else Mar 15 10:54:40 if you prefer a gui, run gdb-server in qemu w/ everything else and then connect to it Mar 15 10:55:06 lcuk: it's 1pm - lunch time, and it'll be a good morning if you save me from answering stupid bug questions Mar 15 10:55:40 * timeless_w7ip is trying to move 6gb of data from flash to a uSD :( Mar 15 10:55:55 stupid bug questions are your own consideration, I have a stack of them myself Mar 15 10:57:52 imeless_w7ip: once i do ssh meego@127.0.0.1 -p 6666 i get the qemu prompt Mar 15 10:58:15 i need to run gdb there Mar 15 10:58:37 well, i'd probably install gdbserver and use that Mar 15 10:58:48 installing gdb server is relatively easy (cross compile if necessary) Mar 15 10:58:55 and where to run gdb-server sorry for asking silly question Mar 15 10:59:43 timeless_w7ip, is this about 14224 Mar 15 11:02:19 #MeeGo-Meeting :: N900 Developer Edition Team Meetings: Every Tuesday at 11:00 UTC, 13:00 EEST Mar 15 11:02:21 ie now Mar 15 11:02:24 I think Mar 15 11:02:25 :$ Mar 15 11:02:40 heh Mar 15 11:02:58 timeless_w7ip: if i am correct i need to run gdbserver HOST:PORT PROG [ARGS ...] on target and gdb /program on Host Mar 15 11:03:24 but the problem is how to get the program path from Host Mar 15 11:03:31 as that is inside QEMU Mar 15 11:05:48 you typically have a second copy of the program on your host Mar 15 11:06:12 you happen to be using one computer, but remember that gdbserver is designed for real wires where target and host are not the same Mar 15 11:28:09 Morning Mar 15 11:28:17 morn Khertan Mar 15 11:29:08 Mornin' Stskeeps Mar 15 11:33:59 lcuk: so... Mar 15 11:34:07 no support from the friendly channel huggers? :( Mar 15 11:34:37 timeless_w7ip, I asked whether it was the bug you already cced Mar 15 11:34:50 if it is not that, which bugs is it? Mar 15 11:36:59 i cc'd you last night iirc Mar 15 11:37:07 lemme get you a url Mar 15 11:37:48 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14224#c4 Mar 15 11:37:51 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug 14224 is not accessible Mar 15 11:39:48 timeless_w7ip, so you need to http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/meego-gnupg2/merge_requests isknow who/what the upstream of Mar 15 11:40:05 or is it enough to just offer a MR to there? Mar 15 11:44:16 !?@ Mar 15 11:44:33 why can't i just attach a patch and expect someone else to deal w/ the paperwork? Mar 15 11:45:30 timeless_w7ip, I am just asking question - you are right of course Mar 15 11:49:07 lcuk; basically, i don't understand how or why the person asked the question Mar 15 11:49:20 if merge requests are public then that person would know where they are and if i've made one Mar 15 11:49:33 MR notifications suck on gitorious Mar 15 11:49:41 stskeeps: no comment :) Mar 15 11:50:02 either way, whomever maintains a package should be responsible for dealing w/ patch upstreaming Mar 15 11:51:26 and if a patch is sent upstream twice, who cares? Mar 15 11:52:32 timeless_w7ip, ... you will perhaps shout a little Mar 15 11:53:02 you have not "Signed-off-by:" your contribution Mar 15 11:53:04 lcuk: anyway, if you could spare me sounding incredulous in that bug report, i'd appreciate it Mar 15 11:53:26 i checked the "i allow you to do whatever with this contribution" checkbox when i attached it! Mar 15 11:53:32 The contribution guidelines state that offering a patch directly inside the Mar 15 11:53:32 bugzilla is one of the methods: Mar 15 11:53:32 http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines Mar 15 11:53:41 timeless_w7ip, I commented Mar 15 11:53:49 if that doesn't do the right thing, then please get someone to fix bugzilla :) Mar 15 11:54:13 lcuk: comment looks good Mar 15 11:54:18 but i'm going to ignore the signed-off by Mar 15 11:54:35 unless someone pokes me again, at which point i'm going to kick the bugzilla team :) Mar 15 11:54:44 * timeless_w7ip hunts for an office or something Mar 15 11:54:47 based on what you just said, perhaps the contribution document needs tweaking for bugzilla patches Mar 15 11:56:09 technically the flow chart (did i make it?) says that patches should be sent upstream Mar 15 11:56:15 but i consider that a crappy choice Mar 15 11:56:25 if i want to write 100 patches, i shouldn't be forced to find 100 upstreams Mar 15 11:56:37 maemo.org was nice enough not to force me to do that Mar 15 11:56:44 * timeless_w7ip thanks andre Mar 15 11:58:23 cheers :) Mar 15 12:18:45 how can i ssh/scp from my qemu prompt (meego@[meego-handset-sdk]::~$)to my Host system [kalinga@kalinga-desktop:] Mar 15 12:25:26 bkalinga: the same way you'd ssh from another host on your network Mar 15 12:27:14 qemu is running on my host machine i i do a ssh uisng this "ssh meego@127.0.0.1 -p 6666" but once i enter qemu prompt don't know how to do a scp a file from there to my host system Mar 15 12:28:13 CosmoHill:sorry, if this seems to be a silly question Mar 15 12:28:41 i tried ssh kalinga@kalinga-desktop Mar 15 12:28:57 but got thiserror ssh: connect to host kalinga-desktop port 22: Connection refused Mar 15 12:29:18 try using the ip Mar 15 12:29:38 try sftp instead of ssh Mar 15 12:33:41 i need to use sftp from my host prompt or from qemu prompt: i need to copy a file from qemu to host Mar 15 12:36:38 it's much easier to go from VM to host than from host to VM Mar 15 12:36:54 unless your VM uses a bridge then it's the same either way Mar 15 12:38:22 bkalinga: scp -p 6666 meego@127.0.0.1:somefile ./ Mar 15 12:38:34 bkalinga: man scp/ssh for more info Mar 15 12:38:59 scp -p 6666 meego@127.0.0.1:somefile ./ what it will do? Mar 15 12:39:16 will it copy some file from qemu to my Host Ubuntu?? Mar 15 12:40:06 Try it and see. Or read the documentation. (hint: yes) Mar 15 12:43:17 jonnor: it copied the file from qemu to qemu Mar 15 12:43:18 http://pastebin.com/UDsxB43D Mar 15 12:44:16 but my requirement is to copy a file from qemu to my host machine Mar 15 12:54:53 scp -p 6666 meego@127.0.0.1:/usr/lib/libmeegoimframework.so ./ from ubuntu prompt give this error Mar 15 12:54:55 cp: cannot stat `6666': No such file or directory Mar 15 12:54:55 ssh: connect to host 127.0.0.1 port 22: Connection refused Mar 15 12:56:25 scp -P Mar 15 12:56:36 thanks Mar 15 12:56:40 done Mar 15 12:56:55 my mistake was that "-p" Mar 15 13:04:21 error while using gdb-gdbserver http://pastebin.com/j2Db1M7G Mar 15 13:06:12 bug 14483 Mar 15 13:06:15 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14483 nor, Undecided, ---, michael.leibowitz, NEW, Settings Wifi Advanced are not saved Mar 15 13:09:14 lcuk: found a better one - bug 14478 Mar 15 13:09:17 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14478 nor, Undecided, ---, vivian.zhang, NEW, First boot setup does not complete when time zone is set to Helsinki Mar 15 13:10:06 timoph, !! Mar 15 13:10:21 :) Mar 15 13:11:30 timoph, does this need confirmation by driving to Tampere or something to see if it is reproduable in other Finnish cities?! Mar 15 13:11:39 :) Mar 15 13:11:54 luckily no Mar 15 13:12:15 hmm on my ideapad Mar 15 13:12:26 I just noticed the compositor and xterm interaction is odd Mar 15 13:12:38 handset image using 800*480 as usual with a border Mar 15 13:12:58 xterm has a tile on the dashboard, but behind everything taking up fullscreen is the xterm itself Mar 15 14:22:51 arfoll, lbt: I talked about that blog post about xbmc and MeeGo on both Intel and ARM. Got it finaly published: http://cybercomchannel.com/using-xbmc-meego-12 Mar 15 14:23:08 *nod* Mar 15 14:58:58 * lcuk dd drains lifeforce Mar 15 15:02:00 sudo nohup dd if=/dev/random of=lcuk bs=1M &> /dev/null Mar 15 15:02:12 need... more... entropy.... Mar 15 15:03:05 gabrbedd, I would prefer bacon. Mar 15 15:04:34 sudo nohup dd if=/dev/bacon of=lcuk bs=1M &> /dev/null Mar 15 15:04:35 can I expand an image copied onto external MMC for meego Mar 15 15:04:57 running out of space because it got formatted to 2gb is a bit frustrating Mar 15 15:05:04 (it is a 4gb card) Mar 15 15:05:12 QGestureRecognizer doesn't send QGestureEvent to QGraphicsObject is there a way to install an eventFilter or something that can get hte QGestureEvent and send it to QGraphicsObject ? Mar 15 15:05:35 lcuk: Depends on the file system. What file system is MeeGo installed on? Mar 15 15:05:39 wathek, still having trouble and no workaround yet? Mar 15 15:05:52 lcuk, unfortunatly not :( Mar 15 15:05:53 gabrbedd, MeeGoFs I think (ie IDK) Mar 15 15:06:01 hahaha! Mar 15 15:06:02 lcuk, I created a bug report Mar 15 15:06:03 gabrbedd: you know to use urandom unless you *need* random Mar 15 15:06:14 wathek, link? Mar 15 15:06:48 lbt: lcuk needs real random, not some half-baked, artificial, wal-mart-grade random. Mar 15 15:06:57 lcuk: $ cat /etc/mtab Mar 15 15:07:04 lcuk, http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18108 Mar 15 15:07:10 gabrbedd, I just look in sketches folder after people have been playing with device for a bit Mar 15 15:07:14 always randomness Mar 15 15:07:14 Sage, thx for the link Mar 15 15:07:17 lcuk: That'll tell you the FS of mounted partitions. Mar 15 15:07:32 gabrbedd, ok once it does the dd and boots I will try that Mar 15 15:08:23 lcuk: FYI /dev/random can block unpredictably and cause nasty to track bugs Mar 15 15:08:47 lbt /me does not use /dev/random Mar 15 15:08:57 I would say that /dev/random will block quite reliably if doing any bigger reads :) Mar 15 15:09:10 :) Mar 15 15:09:22 wathek: have you enabled acceptsTouchEvents or something like that for your graphics scene? Mar 15 15:09:32 ahiemstra, yes Mar 15 15:09:41 lbt: Yes, I know. :-) In fact I mentioned the 'entropy' as a hint that I knew... :-) Mar 15 15:09:42 Bostik: I had a diskless box with no keyboard/mouse ... turns out automount used /dev/random Mar 15 15:09:47 ahiemstra, on my QGraphicsObject and on my QGraphicsView Mar 15 15:10:14 gabrbedd: I know you knew .... just saying to lcuk.... :) Mar 15 15:10:34 wathek: what I needed to do to get it working is to call grabGesture on the view Mar 15 15:10:39 for the gestures you want Mar 15 15:10:41 aieeeeeee, that must have hurt Mar 15 15:10:56 lcuk: The procedure is: (1) resize partition, (2) use the fs-specific tool to resize the partition (e.g. resize2fs for ext2/ext3 partitions) Mar 15 15:11:05 ahiemstra, it works well with QGraphicsView and QGraphicsScene but not with QGraphicsObject Mar 15 15:11:08 Bostik: yep.... took a while to track down.... hence I like to tell devs not to use /dev/random Mar 15 15:11:09 lcuk: I don't know if btrfs has one. :-) Mar 15 15:11:17 lbt: Ah... sorry. :-) Mar 15 15:11:36 gabrbedd, I guess this is not something that can automatically happen when flashing/setting up meego onto an mmc Mar 15 15:11:49 lbt: using /dev/random is quite all right *IF AND ONLY IF* one understands exactly why they are doing it Mar 15 15:12:03 yeah Mar 15 15:12:10 generating salts, hell yes Mar 15 15:12:19 generating PRNG seeds, absolutely Mar 15 15:12:55 lcuk: Well, they do do this on a pineview install with anaconda... don't know about MMC install. Mar 15 15:13:12 * lbt wonders if meego should generate entropy from the accelerometers... Mar 15 15:13:24 lbt not all devices have them Mar 15 15:13:28 but that is a good idea Mar 15 15:13:31 but for frequently changing tokens... not a good idea (uuidgen might be even better for those) Mar 15 15:13:49 well... maybe not /resize/ from anaconda... but still uses the whole partition. Mar 15 15:14:46 lbt: I'll bet that the kernel already will in a roundabout way. Not sure how the entropy "driver" works. Mar 15 16:02:29 zypper is a bit fail Mar 15 16:02:40 [root@localhost ~]# df Mar 15 16:02:40 Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on Mar 15 16:02:40 /dev/mmcblk0p1 1757812 713316 199696 79% / Mar 15 16:02:49 then do some installs: Mar 15 16:03:01 19 new packages to install. Mar 15 16:03:01 Overall download size: 28.5 MiB. After the operation, additional 69.9 MiB will be used. Mar 15 16:03:26 then after installing: Mar 15 16:03:28 [root@localhost ~]# df Mar 15 16:03:28 Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on Mar 15 16:03:28 /dev/mmcblk0p1 1757812 842112 81820 92% / Mar 15 16:04:00 iekku: ping Mar 15 16:05:00 chinmaya, hi Mar 15 16:05:34 iekku: hi .. still @office ? Mar 15 16:06:28 chinmaya, basicly yes, working at home :D Mar 15 16:06:57 iekku: thats cool...moving to a private conversation Mar 15 16:07:03 chinmaya, you may ask needed things also if I'm not @office, I'm here to help Mar 15 16:07:07 ok Mar 15 16:41:33 hi Mar 15 16:42:10 just a question, where can I download the newest Version of the MeeGo Tablet version? Need to install it on the levono netvertible... Mar 15 16:43:49 phl0x81: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad is a good start Mar 15 16:45:33 phl0x81: http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego Mar 15 16:45:52 ah, was looking around at meego.com Mar 15 16:45:59 phl0x81: Look for the link that says "Download MeeGo 1.2 Tablet UX Pre-Alpha" Mar 15 16:46:30 gabrbedd: thanks .... I was hunting for that link - typical that it's not on meego.com Mar 15 16:47:39 It's not open source (yet)... so it won't be on meego.com. (Though a wiki might link to appup somewhere...) Mar 15 16:47:50 They said it wouls be OSS any day now.... :-) Mar 15 16:48:00 http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-iso-esla Mar 15 16:48:16 is the link for the download. Mar 15 16:49:16 err does anyone happen to have the contents of /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch for n900 handy Mar 15 16:49:17 :$ Mar 15 16:49:41 updated the wiki anyhow Mar 15 16:59:13 lbt: cool, thanks! Mar 15 16:59:22 lbt: So... are you back on your island, now? Mar 15 17:03:01 gabrbedd: I am Mar 15 17:03:29 jumped off all my cornices for this year :) Mar 15 17:03:41 lbt: Good trip? :-) Mar 15 17:03:58 yeah, excellent - lots of snow Mar 15 17:04:21 also decided to do one of their steeps clinics - wow Mar 15 17:04:38 That's awesome! I've never been snow skiing. Mar 15 17:08:15 * lcuk packs up schoolbooks and goes to restaurant Mar 15 17:08:23 bergie: ping Mar 15 17:12:15 qgil: pong Mar 15 17:12:53 hi bergie I was wondering if the planet.meego.com tasks will be ready by the MeeGo 1.2 release, and if there is anything we can do to help - or know the status Mar 15 17:13:13 qgil: it will be, though I'm not really happy with the layout we have Mar 15 17:13:27 the Apps stuff looks a lot nicer :-) Mar 15 17:13:41 bergie: propose a better layout, then Mar 15 17:13:59 bergie: I'm concerned aboutt he functionality, though - there hasn't been any (?) progress in months Mar 15 17:16:56 bergie: the majority of planet.meego.com bugs at http://wiki.meego.com/Marketing/Meego.com_1.2_update (see end f the page) are waiting for your input - can you de-block this, please? It's mif March already and we are far from completion Mar 15 17:19:59 qgil: I'll look at them tomorrow Mar 15 17:20:10 bergie: thanks! Mar 15 17:56:37 hi, I have a intel core 2 duo, how will I know if it has support for SSE3 ? Mar 15 17:57:16 the core obs API seems to be having problem, it is timing out all the time Mar 15 17:57:20 grep -qw ssse3 /proc/cpuinfo && echo yes || echo no Mar 15 17:57:47 arvind_khadri: ^^ that Mar 15 17:58:23 arvind_khadri: do you mean SSE3 or SSSE3 ? Mar 15 17:59:00 gabrbedd, crap, SSSE3 :( Mar 15 17:59:13 auke, sorry :S Mar 15 17:59:27 arvind_khadri: follow auke's advice. Mar 15 17:59:58 ssse3 Mar 15 18:00:00 not sse3 Mar 15 18:00:25 gabrbedd, it says yes :) I was thinking I needed to have an Atom to run it... awesomeness, now I will install it :) Mar 15 18:00:30 auke, thanks a lot :) Mar 15 18:00:34 arvind_khadri: if SSE3, that's not a reliable way to do it (for some reason). E.g. a Core (1) Duo has SSE3 support... but it doesn't show up in cpuinfo. Mar 15 18:00:53 what does it stand for ? Mar 15 18:00:55 arvind_khadri: Ha! Well, if your Core2 doesn't have SSSE3... then you don't have a Core2. :-p Mar 15 18:01:12 lol :) Mar 15 18:01:19 I could finally decide a topic for a MeeGo Conference proposal: Harmattan in the MeeGo Community http://bit.ly/eRN4jW Mar 15 18:02:41 gabrbedd, what does it stand for? :) Mar 15 18:03:32 googled it now :P sorry Mar 15 18:10:53 Does meego have firefox ?? Mar 15 18:11:54 arvind_khadri: Handset has Firefox Mobile (aka Fennec" Mar 15 18:12:14 arvind_khadri: Netbook has google chrome. I don't know if anyone's built FF for it. Mar 15 18:12:38 gabrbedd, ohh, any other browser :) I don't want to accept an EULA :P Mar 15 18:12:50 I am installing the netbook version Mar 15 18:13:34 arvind_khadri: then install the chromium version instead of google-chrome. Mar 15 18:13:58 leinir: How's it going with the WeTab? Mar 15 18:14:23 gabrbedd, hmmm, if possible I would help with firefox porting :) Mar 15 18:14:36 gabrbedd: i bit the bullet and did a full system restore.. and now i have it up and running again :) Mar 15 18:15:52 leinir: Cool! Let me know if you need advice in re-b0rking your system. :-p Mar 15 18:16:06 *giggles* Oh, i know how to bork it ;) Mar 15 18:20:44 hey guys Mar 15 18:20:55 has anybody compiled a linux library for meego before? Mar 15 18:21:30 I am quite new to the development on this OS and I would like to build Festival on MeeGo Netbook Mar 15 18:22:40 moystard: compiled or packaged? compiling is the same as it ever was. Mar 15 18:23:10 but it has to be a cross compilatino right Mar 15 18:23:42 I want to embed this library into an emulator. I would like to try to call it from some qt code Mar 15 18:25:12 you could like to cross compile some code instead of compiling it via an emulator? Mar 15 18:25:27 eg x86 -> ARM instead of QEMU emulating ARM? Mar 15 18:25:45 that is what I want to do Mar 15 18:26:15 I want to cross compile the library from my linux distro for meego Mar 15 18:26:48 and then embed it into the emulator Mar 15 18:26:51 moystard: Um, you said you wanted to build on MeeGo Netbook, right? What's the point of cross compiling x86/ARM? Mar 15 18:27:17 what you suggest is that I build it directly from the emulator? Mar 15 18:27:24 I thought it would be easier to cross compile it Mar 15 18:27:36 actually it would be easier to use the emulator Mar 15 18:27:42 if you're new to this kinda thing that is Mar 15 18:27:48 moystard: easier to use emulator. Mar 15 18:28:02 if you create a package for meego you can use the OBS that will compile on ARM and x86 for you Mar 15 18:28:24 moystard: Also, cross-compiling usually refers to compiling for a different processor type. Sounds like you're just wanting to play with x86. Mar 15 18:28:59 arvind_khadri: irc.mozilla.org #mobile iirc is the main place, but what would helping with "porting" be? there's already a team working on it, and it's more or less a first class citizen Mar 15 18:29:16 okay Mar 15 18:29:27 it is the first day I use the meego sdk Mar 15 18:29:38 I will figure out tomorrow how to build directly from the emulator using gcc Mar 15 18:29:46 timeless_xchat, saw that now :) Mar 15 18:29:47 if you have a good link to point to Mar 15 18:31:07 if you have a good link pointing on how to do it Mar 15 18:31:12 would be much appreciated Mar 15 18:31:54 moystard: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1 Mar 15 18:32:02 lol okay thanks Mar 15 18:32:13 thanks for your help Mar 15 18:32:23 have a good night/day guys Mar 15 18:32:58 moystard: Good luck. Also, FWIW, when using the QEMU SDK... Mar 15 18:33:27 moystard: I've found that installing the extra libs is hard to do because of the networking setup. Mar 15 18:34:11 moystard: Generally, if you're programming just to the MeeGo SDK you're in good shape... but if you need any other libs, there's no easy way to install them. Mar 15 19:02:58 well, now with pvanhoof's latest mail we should request that this EDS decision is addressed in tomorrow's technical steering group meeting Mar 15 19:03:53 I want to know the *real* reasons behind it Mar 15 19:04:00 it wasn't performance Mar 15 19:04:26 cheers, thanks Mar 15 19:04:30 gtg now, squash :) Mar 15 19:05:09 and it couldnt have been features, as tracker has more to offer than EDS Mar 15 19:06:53 there is a meeting tomorrow ? Mar 15 19:08:45 isn't it every week? Mar 15 19:08:49 mikhas: can it be maintainers? Mar 15 19:09:03 every wednesday, that's what the wiki (still) says Mar 15 19:09:04 we have a TSG tomorrow? :P Mar 15 19:09:08 mikhas: can it be core developers at hand? Mar 15 19:09:58 mikhas: never was every week Mar 15 19:10:05 qgil, there shouldnt be any need for speculations Mar 15 19:10:26 mikhas: the technical aspects can be discussed at large, but at the end you need the people developing and maintaining - and this looks (to me) like the main reasoning for the change Mar 15 19:10:49 mikhas: agree with you on speculations Mar 15 19:10:52 ok my mistake then, it says "every *other* wednesday" Mar 15 19:11:28 mikhas: also, there haven't been TSG meetings since Valtteri resigned from Nokia, since the TSG is today Imad alone Mar 15 19:11:33 Stskeeps: TSG ... what's that? Mar 15 19:11:36