**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 16 02:59:57 2011 Mar 16 05:46:08 good morning Mar 16 06:04:40 привет всем Mar 16 06:04:57 кто шарит в в убунто Mar 16 06:04:59 ? Mar 16 06:05:50 алло ебланы!! Mar 16 06:06:31 sorry, english speaking channel Mar 16 06:06:53 че ты сказал еблан?? Mar 16 06:07:20 po-angliiski govori, durilka Mar 16 06:08:13 зачем чувак?? Mar 16 06:09:04 эээ алло Mar 16 06:09:49 извините,говорите типо по-англискй канал Mar 16 06:10:56 kto sharit v ubunto&& Mar 16 06:11:44 Jaguar163: Eshe raz, dlya tex kto v tanke Mar 16 06:12:22 RST38hзаебал ты в убунто шаришь ? Mar 16 06:12:40 Jaguar163: Eto *angloyazychnyi* kanal ne imeyushii otnosheniya k "ubunto". Ili govorite po-angliiski i priderzhivaites' tematiki kanala, ili zhe idite na kanal #ubunto Mar 16 06:13:22 z gthdsq hfp bhc Mar 16 06:13:25 ihan hirveän mielenkiintoista, jos ymmärtäisi jotain :) Mar 16 06:13:37 :) Mar 16 06:14:07 i don't have nearly enough caffeine in my blood for both russian and finnish in the morning Mar 16 06:14:10 :P Mar 16 06:14:17 heh Mar 16 06:14:24 :) Mar 16 06:14:28 Sorry, had to explain to him in the language he understands. Mar 16 06:14:34 that might be hard for anyone. Mar 16 06:15:41 crf;b ult heccrjzpsxysq rfyfk e,eynj Mar 16 06:15:54 that's not russian. Mar 16 06:15:55 :P Mar 16 06:15:59 not even close Mar 16 06:16:00 скажи где русскоязычный канал убунто Mar 16 06:16:22 Jaguar163: /leave #meego a potom /join #ubunto Mar 16 06:16:52 где вводить Mar 16 06:16:57 Stskeeps: I am not sure he even understands Russian. He can obviously write it, but not read it. Mar 16 06:16:59 RST38bis: i should probably be worried that i know enough of slavic languages to understand what you said :P Mar 16 06:17:26 Stskeeps: See? I told you it would come to that a year or two ago :) Mar 16 06:17:44 алло чувак Mar 16 06:19:06 i wonder if our rules actually says nothing but english, hmm :P Mar 16 06:19:32 that should still give some hint to people? :) Mar 16 06:20:00 Stskeeps:Either way, he waslookingfor Ubuntu support, and called it "Ubunto", not responding to reasonable attempts at conversation, so you can consider him a bot Mar 16 06:20:04 ah Mar 16 06:20:18 Turing test failed. Mar 16 06:59:20 hi, I have been trying to load a meego image on qemu but it stops saying that "i915 can't work without intel_agp" . Its an installation image Mar 16 07:02:11 Can someone please help me. Mar 16 07:45:38 hi, I have been trying to load a meego image on qemu but it stops saying that "i915 can't work without intel_agp" . Its an installation image. Please help me out Mar 16 07:46:24 you'd probably be better off trying qemu-arm Mar 16 07:46:50 afaiu, the system requirements are rather high and specific for the intel(...) netbook Mar 16 07:47:58 hmmm, let me try that Mar 16 07:48:48 timeless_w7ip, which cpu in ARM? Mar 16 07:50:09 * timeless_w7ip hopes that those are spelled out whereever the arm image requirements are Mar 16 07:51:13 timeless_w7ip, which ones :) ?? Mar 16 07:54:52 timeless_w7ip, there is no arm image for a netbook. Mar 16 08:26:45 hi all :) Mar 16 08:26:54 lo wazd Mar 16 08:27:03 Stskeeps: check it out: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/latest-trends-uxui-design Mar 16 08:27:07 Stskeeps: :) Mar 16 08:27:27 interesting Mar 16 08:27:36 does n900 developer edition count as commercial? ;p Mar 16 08:27:59 Stskeeps: nope I guess :) Mar 16 08:28:44 Stskeeps: I hope this idea of interaction is not totally crazy :) Mar 16 08:29:03 And I have my meegon too now :D Mar 16 08:29:15 oh? url? Mar 16 08:29:28 http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ Mar 16 08:29:37 hehe Mar 16 08:29:47 yes, that's you alright ;) Mar 16 08:30:39 My sweater is almost photorealistic :D Mar 16 08:41:02 You mean this ugly square thing is officially known as "meegon"? Mar 16 08:42:16 wazd, do you like perry clothes? Mar 16 08:43:15 wazd: please remember to add yourself as a presenter Mar 16 08:43:59 * RST38h discovers something new daily Mar 16 08:44:27 wazd: could you also add some information for us organisers? It looks like you want to do a "hands-on review of UX" with other people Mar 16 08:44:34 is 40 minutes enough? Should you have a dedicated space? Mar 16 08:45:38 thiago_home: no, no hands-on, just slides and description Mar 16 08:45:41 anyway, 32 submissions. We need triple that by Friday... Mar 16 08:46:02 thiago_home: verbal interaction only :) Mar 16 08:46:34 wazd: please make that clear in your proposal, so we know what it is and also what kind of audience is expected Mar 16 08:46:54 RST38h: yep :) Mar 16 08:47:02 thiago_home: sure Mar 16 08:48:03 thiago_home: btw, I've tried to register myself as a speaker but the system kept asking me some password Mar 16 08:48:10 thiago_home: definitely not mine Mar 16 08:48:25 wazd: contact your company's organiser to get the password Mar 16 08:48:32 the page should tell you who it is Mar 16 08:48:48 oh Mar 16 08:49:13 you may also get an automated email from Amy telling you "hey, you didn't finish, do you want to continue? click here" in a text email without links Mar 16 08:50:35 thiago_home: yeah, I have one Mar 16 08:50:55 * thiago_home was so pleased he was getting emails from Amy, then he realised it was automated Mar 16 08:54:21 Anyone get Meego running on viewpad 10 yet? Mar 16 08:55:05 thiago_home: i wonder if we should have mentioned late breaking news more clearly as well Mar 16 08:55:26 thiago_home: same here :( Mar 16 08:55:37 sad world :( Mar 16 08:55:43 Stskeeps: I'm going to do directed approach today Mar 16 08:55:51 all Qt topics I'd like to see presented Mar 16 08:56:08 I know one colleague is working on a proposal to talk about Lighthouse / Wayland and another on Components Mar 16 08:56:11 but there's more Mar 16 08:56:13 k Mar 16 08:56:43 i'd expect more US contributions too Mar 16 08:57:11 me too Mar 16 08:57:19 * thiago_home needs to go to the office now Mar 16 08:58:03 wazd: ooh, the 2011 domains are shorter Mar 16 08:58:15 wazd: did you have slides for your 2010 talk, and could you post them? Mar 16 08:58:58 So the Viewpad 10 and ExoPC seem to be my best options for a Meego Tablet Mar 16 08:59:14 The problem is. They more or less have exactly the same specs but both a little different. Mar 16 08:59:18 Any suggestions? Mar 16 08:59:58 exopc runs meego very likely Mar 16 09:01:14 yeah i beleive that is what intel used at MWC Mar 16 09:01:39 Stskeeps, exopc definately runs meego Mar 16 09:01:45 it's exact same hardware as wetab Mar 16 09:01:57 imm trying to get a freind in EU to send me a wetab Mar 16 09:02:18 lofty306, buy me one i'll send you another ;-) Mar 16 09:02:27 lol Mar 16 09:02:58 timeless_w7ip: yep, I'll do that in a bit Mar 16 09:03:36 arfoll, the exopc seemed winmpier in specs to the wetab hardware though i was just looking at the 3G wetab specs though Mar 16 09:04:11 lofty306, it has the same crystalhd H/W acceleration and pineview CPU. what seems more 'wimpy'? Mar 16 09:05:35 i was looking at pports and such Mar 16 09:06:58 wait geuss i missed it on the exopc arfoll Mar 16 09:07:05 my bad Mar 16 09:07:53 no worries - from what i hear both are made by pegatron (asus) and are exactly the same h/w. The wetab has a non 3G model without H/w acceleration and without the 3G modem Mar 16 09:09:24 the one i would want is the 3G one Mar 16 09:10:28 cool thnx for the iinfo arfoll Mar 16 09:10:49 no worries Mar 16 09:16:29 * lofty306 wished that exopc had a 3G modell Mar 16 09:17:00 beiiing that there in canada and sell in the usaa Mar 16 09:31:22 arfoll, are the wetab and exopc the beos tablets you have seen to date for meego? Mar 16 09:31:29 *best Mar 16 09:31:41 lofty306, not sure about the best but they're the only ones Mar 16 09:31:56 lol Mar 16 09:31:58 MeeGo is based on Debian? Mar 16 09:32:02 no Mar 16 09:32:06 ummmm Mar 16 09:32:29 personally i would wait for oak trail to come out if i was buying for myself. although not sure what the state of gfx is going to be on there Mar 16 09:32:47 Then what is it based on :) ?? Mar 16 09:32:56 arvind_khadri, moblin2 :-) Mar 16 09:33:09 lofty306, what do you want to do with it? Mar 16 09:33:16 is that the $755 atom? Mar 16 09:33:23 * $75 Mar 16 09:33:33 everything Mar 16 09:33:50 lofty306, i don't know prices, but it's the new platform i think announced for start Q2 Mar 16 09:34:07 which looking at Meego-Dev must be allready sampling ;-) Mar 16 09:34:40 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/7909 Mar 16 09:34:57 arfoll, thanks, and also maemo? :) Mar 16 09:35:00 should be pretty close then Mar 16 09:35:31 arvind_khadri, in spirits. what do you want to know? Mar 16 09:35:32 yeah Mar 16 09:36:14 the problem with oak trail looks like it's going to be the same as for poulsbo Mar 16 09:36:28 i think it's another powervr gfx job Mar 16 09:36:35 arfoll, nothing much, struggling with running an installation image of netbook on qemu. Complains of intel_agp, the image also doesn't boot off the pen drive... Mar 16 09:37:31 lofty306, so for general meego/linux hacking pineview based is going to be much easier Mar 16 09:38:39 if i crap oooout i'll be baack chrome is locking my lappy tonightt Mar 16 09:39:27 arfoll, any idea ?? Mar 16 09:41:19 arvind_khadri, sorry i've never used qemu + meego - i native platforms + OBS. Mar 16 09:41:43 i'm sure others may have better ideas, best i can do is point you at the wiki Mar 16 09:43:47 anyone who can help me with qemu + meego ? Mar 16 09:55:18 can anyone help me in configuring Meego on Ubuntu 10.04 Mar 16 09:55:42 afetr adding this line in sources.list deb http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/all lucid main Mar 16 09:55:43 deb-src http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/all lucid main Mar 16 09:55:47 i get error Mar 16 09:56:02 deb http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/all lucid main Mar 16 09:56:02 deb-src http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/all lucid main Mar 16 09:56:16 W: Failed to fetch http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/all/dists/lucid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Mar 16 09:56:16 W: Failed to fetch http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/all/dists/lucid/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found Mar 16 09:56:40 what should i add in sources.list to fetch the env Mar 16 09:56:42 ? Mar 16 09:59:24 arfoll, netbook version will only run on Atom ?? It won't support core2duo? Mar 16 10:01:48 Arvind : what needs to be added to sources.list to fetch the env Mar 16 10:01:49 ? Mar 16 10:05:04 puneet, http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Add_the_repo Mar 16 10:05:42 am following that docs Mar 16 10:06:06 but this link http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04 doesnot seems to be working Mar 16 10:06:07 :( Mar 16 10:06:43 puneet: works-for-me Mar 16 10:06:53 how did you added > Mar 16 10:07:51 Please can you paste here , that what you added Mar 16 10:07:59 so that i can use the same :) Mar 16 10:08:29 puneet, why do you have "all" there is no all in the deb line. Remove it Mar 16 10:09:05 deb http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/ / this is what you should have Mar 16 10:10:37 :) it worked Mar 16 10:11:00 arvind_khadri: :) Mar 16 10:11:01 that's more than I can say for my desktop :( Mar 16 10:11:14 puneet, np Mar 16 10:11:33 lbt, :) I am really in need of qemu help :P Mar 16 10:11:49 in what way ? Mar 16 10:12:16 ah ... running meego on a VM Mar 16 10:12:20 in qemu Mar 16 10:12:44 lbt, First of all, can qemu only be used for runtimes?? I have a netbook install ia32.img, is it possible to boot that ? Mar 16 10:13:06 honestly I'm not sure Mar 16 10:13:28 lol :) which image you run then ? The runtime one ?? Mar 16 10:13:37 I'm rather annoyed by MeeGo's disinterest in supporting virtual images Mar 16 10:13:52 lbt, I share the same feeling. Mar 16 10:13:53 I run on a Lenovo Ideapad Mar 16 10:14:13 *nod* it makes the barrier to entry very high Mar 16 10:14:22 arvind_khadri: 3d acceleration is required, but apart from that, yes Mar 16 10:14:45 jonnor, so how do I enable that ?? Mar 16 10:14:54 That depends on your hypervisior Mar 16 10:14:57 there is a wikipage about this Mar 16 10:15:09 (the requirements, and some hints how to fulfill them) Mar 16 10:15:10 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=202&page=7 Mar 16 10:16:13 jonnor, http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration are you talking about that ?? Mar 16 10:17:45 arvind_khadri, sorry was away but any x86+SSSE3 platform is supported (so that leaves atom+core2+maybe some via C7) Mar 16 10:18:18 arfoll, hmmm Mar 16 10:24:28 jonnor, I have fulfilled all the requirements Mar 16 10:31:10 hey guys Mar 16 10:31:19 I can't figure how to build a full C++ library on the emulator Mar 16 10:31:51 browsing the documentation right now but cannot find information.. Mar 16 10:33:19 moystard: what is the issue? Mar 16 10:33:45 I am quite new to meego development but from my understanding Mar 16 10:35:38 you usually compile and package it before installing it onto the emulator Mar 16 10:35:46 will it work with a C++ library? Mar 16 10:36:15 can I create a rpm package using the emulator and install this library on the emulator? Mar 16 10:36:29 (it is a system library, festival, a text to speech one) Mar 16 10:36:35 it's one of these situations where you need a hammer to make other hammer Mar 16 10:37:02 and that means? :) Mar 16 10:37:26 like, in order to compile GCC you require GCC Mar 16 10:38:21 yup Mar 16 10:38:27 that is true Mar 16 10:38:35 there is no package available to install gcc on the emulator? Mar 16 10:39:15 try "zypper search [package] Mar 16 10:39:38 zypper search gcc Mar 16 10:39:48 k Mar 16 10:53:34 ping lbt Mar 16 11:04:50 geeezz the tarball for target is a PIG Mar 16 11:05:11 then you should make bacon Mar 16 11:05:18 heh Mar 16 11:05:53 can you have more than oone target prefix installed at the same time? Mar 16 11:28:07 hello Mar 16 11:28:18 good morning Mar 16 11:28:27 long time no talk :) Mar 16 11:29:08 hey, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 Mar 16 11:29:19 Hi, how can I load a module from the bootloader? Mar 16 11:29:33 this virtual keyboard is based on meego 1.1.8? or 1.1.9? Mar 16 11:29:39 1.1.90 i think Mar 16 11:29:47 okay, thanx :) Mar 16 11:33:32 Does a live-img take a long time to boot ?? Mar 16 11:57:58 i used this command to fetch the target mad-admin fetch [-x proxyhost[:port]] URL|URL_ALIAS Mar 16 11:58:25 now i got the tar.bz2 how should i install the target ? Mar 16 12:04:59 puneet, mad-admin install Mar 16 12:21:55 lbt: Is it just me, or are all the x86 builds broken in OBS ? :-) Mar 16 12:22:08 gabrbedd: eg ? Mar 16 12:22:10 url ? Mar 16 12:22:39 lbt: http://build.meego.com/project/monitor?blocked=0&building=0&dispatching=0&finished=0&project=devel%3Aqt-mtf%3Adaily-build&scheduled=0&signing=0&succeeded=0 Mar 16 12:23:07 error: Package already exists: %package debuginfo Mar 16 12:23:09 eww Mar 16 12:23:11 ah Mar 16 12:23:19 SEP Mar 16 12:23:21 oh that error Mar 16 12:23:24 doesn't seem to affect ARM. Mar 16 12:23:56 lbt: if not you, who? Mar 16 12:23:59 * lbt doesn't do build.meego.com ... try Anas - if you can find him ;) Mar 16 12:24:10 meego-packaging@ Mar 16 12:24:12 email is best - I don't see him much on irc nowadays Mar 16 12:26:04 k, thanks. Mar 16 12:28:04 damn, my cluster results might be boring Mar 16 12:37:22 lcuk: \o Mar 16 13:09:49 sampos, \o Mar 16 13:10:58 lcuk: come to think of it, i should ask my question on #maemo :) Mar 16 13:11:13 hah ok Mar 16 13:15:16 okk how bloody long doose it take for a qemu runtiime to startup? Mar 16 13:24:54 lofty306, should not be too long? how long have you waited Mar 16 13:39:51 thiago: FYI I updated http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/so-you-want-build-meego-based-product-vendor-tools-and-vendor-ecosystem - not sure if you'd get a notice Mar 16 13:40:20 we haven't begun reviewing yet Mar 16 13:40:43 OK - np I misinterpreted something you said earlier then :) Mar 16 13:41:32 I was asking wazd to write a little more about what his session would be Mar 16 13:41:44 yours looks like a good proposal (at least, the amount of text) Mar 16 13:41:46 OK. do you think you'll be light on proposals? If so I could sensibly break this into a business and a technical talk Mar 16 13:43:02 we're at 35 Mar 16 13:43:07 we need to triple that by Friday Mar 16 13:43:22 and 100 is still basically "you're in" Mar 16 13:43:28 so it's an offer :) Mar 16 13:43:42 and given the talk .... I'll be gobsmacked if I'm not in anyhow ;) Mar 16 13:43:47 in your case, yes, please make a business-oriented session Mar 16 13:44:03 it currently is ... hence the beginner level Mar 16 13:44:45 lcuk, like 10m Mar 16 13:49:33 brb gotta a zombie problem here cant even see whats running in ps aux kde4 gone zoombie Mar 16 14:06:22 wassupnari: I've been doing the work on the Tegra, what target are you working on? Mar 16 14:27:08 Is there a fix for the touchpad buttons on a S10-t3? Mar 16 14:27:18 moo andrewfblack Mar 16 14:27:26 think there is one Mar 16 14:27:27 andrewfblack, they appear to work on the 1.1 + updates Mar 16 14:28:47 andrewfblack, I can select some text and right click to bring up context menu using the buttons on the trackpad Mar 16 14:28:56 this is a clean netbook Mar 16 14:29:27 I think I have all the updates on mine but I don't think mine are working. Another question anyway to make OSK only show when in tablet mode or when a button is pushed? Mar 16 14:30:12 andrewfblack, in the mailing list someone recompiled a kernel with a fix. i think it went in the 1.1 updates too Mar 16 14:30:15 andrewfblack: Are you talking about the touchpad mouse, or the extra buttons around the touchscreen? Mar 16 14:30:33 gabrbedd: the touchpad mouse Mar 16 14:30:36 andrewfblack, http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad Mar 16 14:30:43 has most of the notes for configuring ideapad Mar 16 14:34:47 lcuk: I've done some of that haven't done the right click fix yet. OSK poping up all the time is only major thing that drives me crasy and I haven't found a fix for yet. Would be nice if you could run IVI on top of Netbook install when you were in the car. Mar 16 14:35:27 andrewfblack, that was part of the desktop switching motivation Mar 16 14:40:55 I booted IVI on my ideapad last night and the Touchscreen controls seem to be reversed not sure if its suppose to be that way or not. Mar 16 14:41:41 andrewfblack: Yeah, the same happens to me... and I've heard of it happening to others. Mar 16 14:42:19 andrewfblack: saw wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition ? Mar 16 14:42:39 andrewfblack: BTW the IM guys are really wanting to "get it right" with the OSK. Perhaps you can give them some feedback? Mar 16 14:43:41 andrewfblack: I was telling them that I wanted a button where I can make the OSK appear any time I want, and they were pretty opposed to that... because they want to get it right where the keyboard pops up automatically when it's supposed to. Mar 16 14:43:54 * gabrbedd thinks that's impossible for all use cases, though. Mar 16 14:44:09 fabo: added a fairly simple patch for https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14407 - do you handle mtf patching similarly to how you do for Qt? Mar 16 14:44:11 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug 14407 tri, Low, ---, miroslav.safr, NEW, [Trunk: testing] Default text does not disappear when tapping on input field in Contacts Mar 16 14:47:31 w00t_: I'll pick up Mar 16 14:47:49 fabo: you are my hero, as always! <3 Mar 16 14:47:58 :) Mar 16 14:49:21 fabo: debian 6 Mar 16 14:49:48 lbt: yeah, I've seen your comment on the related bug Mar 16 14:50:03 is it worth putting on pub.meego.com for now? Mar 16 14:50:18 you can at least iron out any issues Mar 16 14:51:00 lbt: only MeeGo SDK is using cross-distro features. atm, we don't have this kind of packages on public OBS. Mar 16 14:51:12 hi am trying to compile linux library on meego Mar 16 14:51:33 ok Mar 16 14:51:42 lbt: but yes, I can give it a shot and tries to build the SDK on public OBS Mar 16 14:52:08 how to cross compile it using mad ? Mar 16 14:52:08 lbt: I would like to try the bz2 support too with latest build script Mar 16 14:52:21 i mean madde Mar 16 14:52:29 lbt: it's broken on meego.com Mar 16 14:53:02 OK. I think we updated build - yell if it needs attention Mar 16 14:53:08 puneet: you can use Qt Creator or simply the command line Mar 16 14:53:37 on the command line, you need to prefix your command with mad -t Mar 16 14:53:38 am using command line , this is not Qt library Mar 16 14:53:39 ./configure --host --host `mad -t meego-core-armv7l-1.1.2` Mar 16 14:54:00 when i do make it gives missing seperator Mar 16 14:56:38 puneet: I'll try mad -t meego-core-armv7l-1.1.2 ./configure Mar 16 14:58:48 gabrbedd: I would prefer it to only come up when it needs to but for a quick fix they should bind it to a button until they get it worked out so when I'm in laptop mode it doesn't open. Mar 16 15:00:34 Stskeeps: Nope haven't seen it yet, I got ride of AT&T last week so N900 is just a small tablet to me now. Mar 16 15:01:10 andrewfblack: btw, how difficult is it for tourists to get let's say a prepaid sim card with data? (going to the US so..) Mar 16 15:03:27 Prepaid with data? Mar 16 15:03:32 Does such a thing exist? Mar 16 15:03:43 i tried to look around a bit and i already hated your market :P Mar 16 15:03:46 andrewfblack, going to SF? Mar 16 15:04:52 andrewfblack: That's very hardware-specific to the ideapad (tablet mode vs. lappy mode). I doubt that will ever get abstracted. Mar 16 15:05:51 andrewfblack: ...and since no mfg's are shipping ideapad's with meego... it wouldn't expect any @intel or @nokia to do it. Mar 16 15:06:37 GAN900: I want to go, but wife has been sick and we have had extra expenses from that. Also she used most her vacation and I was going to take her with me. So its a maybe right now you going? Mar 16 15:07:19 andrewfblack, planning on it. Mar 16 15:07:21 why wouldn't you make that part of DSME? Mar 16 15:07:26 (the laptop to tablet mode?) Mar 16 15:07:29 gabrbedd: there are lots of netbooks that have tablet mode and laptop mode atleast a dozen or so. Mar 16 15:07:36 * gabrbedd just realized how stupid his statement was: "I doubt that will ever get abstracted." Sorry. Forgot about phones with slider keyboards. Mar 16 15:08:19 GAN900: at first I was going to take a week and and drive out and back but I know that is out now if I go I will fly in Mar 16 15:10:06 GAN900: it would be nice to finally make it to conferance since I missed all of the Maemo ones and first Meego one Mar 16 15:10:52 andrewfblack: we allready have this feature Mar 16 15:11:15 jonnor: the OSK not opening when in laptop mode? Mar 16 15:11:41 for virtual keyboard to only show in a certain mode, you just need to use contextkit to tell input methods when you are in hardware keyboard and when in virtual keyboard mode Mar 16 15:12:08 I do not know if there are sensors you can hook up to do that on the Ideapad though... Mar 16 15:12:15 but I would suspect they exist at least Mar 16 15:12:55 andrewfblack: Still, detecting tablet mode vs lappy mode is still hardware specific. Some might send an ACPI signal. Some use special BIOS signals. Some send keyboard-like events. There's no standard. Mar 16 15:13:23 yes, for this to work you need some hardware adoptation Mar 16 15:13:29 *adaptation Mar 16 15:14:41 Hi jonnor, how've you been? Mar 16 15:15:43 gabrbedd: jonnor I can see it would require some hardware specific coding but I would think it wouldn't be that hard to do. Mar 16 15:16:39 gabrbedd: I'm good, and you? Mar 16 15:17:09 andrewfblack: If you can the the $VENDOR to help, yeah. I tried to set it up on the Ideapad for fun. But it was !fun, so I moved on to a device that I'm actually shipping. Mar 16 15:18:20 jonner: Not bad. Busy. Mar 16 15:18:33 hello again everyone. I managed to build festival on my meego emulator. However I have a problem, it seems it can't access the sound hardware (can't open /dev/dsp). I guess it is because another application is using it.. I tried in chromium and could get sound... any idea? Mar 16 15:18:40 thanks for your help :) Mar 16 15:19:12 moystard: needs to talk to pulseaudio Mar 16 15:20:14 okay so I have to find a way to redirect.. Mar 16 15:21:10 moyfestival is using OSS? Mar 16 15:21:22 moystard: festival is using OSS? Mar 16 15:21:33 I think it does as some people fixed it using alsa-oss package on other distro. Mar 16 15:23:38 moystard: I don't think MeeGo has any OSS support. You'll either need to provide it yourself (not fun), or get festival to use alsa (which means changing the source code). Mar 16 15:24:08 I think there has to be another way as festival is embedded within the IVI UX Mar 16 15:25:23 moystard: They have their own kernel, and probably turned on OSS emulation in the ALSA drivers. Mar 16 15:26:09 if you need to do porting from OSS, and you target Meego, go straight to Pulseaudio, not ALSA Mar 16 15:30:50 pulseaudio had oss emulation as well Mar 16 15:31:18 Found a solution :) Mar 16 15:31:37 you can add two lines in the configuration file to use alsa Mar 16 15:31:55 moystard: \o/ Mar 16 15:32:17 it is not documented anywhere. I found that randomly on a forum. Mar 16 15:32:28 will do a blog post about that Mar 16 15:32:33 thank you very much for your help anyway Mar 16 15:32:56 moystard: Make sure that you use the default sound card (instead of hw:0) so that you're actually using pulseaudio. Mar 16 15:33:35 it uses aplay to read the audio generated by the text to speech library Mar 16 15:33:46 it is kind of a redirection to aplay instead of using /dev/dsp Mar 16 15:33:57 I think it actually generates an audio file played by aplay Mar 16 15:34:43 that's.. ehm... suboptimal? Mar 16 15:34:57 moystard: if something is not documented and you find a way to do it, please fix the documentation, instead of blogging about it :) Mar 16 15:38:30 I don't think festival is closely related to meego Mar 16 15:38:35 it was a personal initiative to bulid it Mar 16 15:38:46 i thought we had festival in meego trunk already Mar 16 15:38:50 no Mar 16 15:38:53 meego ivi trunk Mar 16 15:38:54 not meego Mar 16 15:39:10 have to go Mar 16 15:39:11 thanks again Mar 16 15:39:31 if it's available in meego ivi, then surely porting it elsewhere in meego should be "relatively easy", no? Mar 16 15:40:06 next thing i would say would be, all meego is in one trunk now Mar 16 15:40:07 :P Mar 16 15:41:32 ouch Mar 16 15:41:39 ATM, it looks like it either requires OSS (bad) or to port festival away from OSS (good). Mar 16 15:41:49 I didn't notice the time Mar 16 15:41:58 have to leave to Tampere Mar 16 15:42:02 s/requires OSS/requires MeeGo to add OSS/ Mar 16 15:42:03 gabrbedd meant: ATM, it looks like it either requires MeeGo to add OSS (bad) or to port festival away from OSS (good). Mar 16 15:54:40 sivang: oh, mxr.meego.com is growing a qt root which should help w/ Qt api stuff Mar 16 15:57:14 sivang: oh, how could you omit hg from your VCS list? Mar 16 15:57:28 esp given it's what Symbian picked Mar 16 16:12:07 timeless_w7ip: lol :) Mar 16 16:12:11 timeless_w7ip: but yay, shiney! Mar 16 16:12:14 timeless_w7ip: re: mxr Mar 16 16:12:33 timeless_w7ip: I'll add it given it is almost like bazaar Mar 16 16:16:11 * timeless_w7ip curses stupid internationalization systems Mar 16 16:17:01 timeless_w7ip: do you have an idea about berlin already? Mar 16 16:17:09 berlin? Mar 16 16:19:19 timeless_w7ip: desktop summit Mar 16 16:36:11 Very interesting: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/16/save-the-date-%E2%80%93-qt-contributors-summit/ Mar 16 16:36:36 sivang: also in Berlin :) Mar 16 16:37:58 qgil: ohh nice /me marks Mar 16 16:38:23 I so have to be there. Mar 16 16:38:51 I hope to see plenty of non-nokians Mar 16 16:38:57 qgil: I'm sure we will. Mar 16 16:40:00 qgil: with every day I touch Qt, I like it a bit more. I realized that I know QML just from my OOP and structures understanding. Mar 16 16:40:25 qgil: and I mostly covered my C++ gaps from the past. Mar 16 16:42:12 qgil: I hope to discuss improvements to PySide performance as a higher level dialect to exploit Qt. Mar 16 16:44:08 sivang: even myself can do something with Designer for Qt Quick thanks to my experience with Macromedia Fireworks in 1998-2000 ;) Mar 16 16:44:34 qgil: o/ Mar 16 16:45:03 w00t_: you should definitely be in that Qt Contributors unconference Mar 16 16:45:18