**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 19 02:59:56 2011 Mar 19 03:58:23 hello Mar 19 03:59:34 I have a ASUS Eee PC Convertible Tablet and I'm trying to get meego to work with the touch screen. So far I installed meegotouch-compositor, meegotouch-applauncherd-testapps, xinput_calibrator, meegotouch-home, meegotouch-inputmethodkeyboard, meegotouch-systemui Mar 19 04:00:16 But the calibration fails when I run it. Does any one know how to get meego to work with the touch screen? Mar 19 04:20:37 rdesfo1: How is your touchscreen behaving? What does it do? ...or /not/ do? Mar 19 04:20:59 rdesfo1: ...and did it work with the Netbook 1.1 UX? Mar 19 04:21:17 when I touch the screen the mouse goes to the upper left corner Mar 19 04:21:45 the screen works fine with windows7 that is the default OS installed on it Mar 19 04:22:18 gabrbedd: when I run the calibration it failes Mar 19 04:23:07 rdesfo1: Erm... it's not that simple. However, chances are that you can get it to work with a kernel "quirk" Mar 19 04:23:46 rdesfo1: It requires (a) determining the actual touchscreen you have... getting the vendor ID and device ID, Mar 19 04:24:05 rdesfo1: and then (b) editing /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf to add the quirk. Mar 19 04:24:44 rdesfo1: The root problem is that there's not a proper driver in the kernel for your touchscreen... but usually when they behave like you describe, it can be made to work like this. Mar 19 04:25:12 rdesfo1: If you can give me (a), I can give you (b). Mar 19 04:25:19 where do I find the vendor ID and device ID? Mar 19 04:25:31 rdesfo1: sudo lsusb -v | more Mar 19 04:26:28 it'll be idVendor and idProduct... hex numbers that look like 0x02a1 Mar 19 04:29:42 gabrbedd:idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation Mar 19 04:30:41 gabrbedd:idProduct 0x0001 1.1 root hub Mar 19 04:30:49 rdesfo1: Nope... that's your USB hub. Mar 19 04:31:23 rdesfo1: Are you able to do this... sudo lsusb -v > /tmp/usb-info.txt Mar 19 04:31:41 rdesfo1: And then send me the file /tmp/usb-info.txt via pastebin or email? Mar 19 04:33:37 yep one sec Mar 19 04:42:47 gabrbedd: sorry for the wait git://gist.github.com/877228.git Mar 19 04:43:20 rdesfo1: a git repos? LOL... didn't expect that. :-) Mar 19 04:45:22 rdesfo1: OK,.. idVendor = 0x0486 ASUS Computers, Inc. Mar 19 04:45:37 and idProduct = 0x0186 Mar 19 04:46:27 gabrbedd:thanks Mar 19 04:46:45 edit /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf to add usbhid.quirks=0x0486:0x0186:0x40 Mar 19 04:46:56 ...at the end of the "append" line Mar 19 04:47:16 If you wanna do a magic trick... here's one... Mar 19 04:47:58 sudo sed -i 's/^\([ \t]*append.*\)/\1 usbhid.quirks=0x0486:0x0186:0x40/' /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf Mar 19 04:48:04 ...all on one line. Mar 19 04:48:16 * gabrbedd copy/pasted that, btw Mar 19 05:03:47 gabrbedd:It worked thank you very much :) Mar 19 05:04:00 rdesfo1: sweet! Mar 19 05:04:48 i suppose I should write that on a wiki somewhere... this is becoming a more common question. Mar 19 05:05:40 The sed command would need to be updated...It added the quirk line to the windows boot option (which is listed as other) Mar 19 05:05:57 windows? Mar 19 05:06:04 We don't need no stinking windows! Mar 19 05:06:06 :-p Mar 19 05:06:10 :) Mar 19 06:30:28 ok, 130 presentations to sort through is a lot better than 30 :P Mar 19 06:34:11 morn thiago_home Mar 19 06:54:57 moin Stskeeps Mar 19 06:55:52 think it was a good idea to extend, even though we're at 120-130 now, there still lacks more "edge" proposals to make it a really good program Mar 19 06:56:36 (just browsed through the proposals) Mar 19 06:56:54 yeah Mar 19 06:57:27 we also need to look at the schedule grid, to see how many we can accept Mar 19 06:57:36 :nod: Mar 19 06:57:38 since we're doing all 3 days this time, I think we should range at 100 Mar 19 06:57:51 have to keep room for the late-breaking news as well Mar 19 06:57:57 yes, the usual Mar 19 06:58:19 with dirk on vacation for the next two weeks, we'll have to make do between the both of us Mar 19 06:58:29 :nod: Mar 19 06:59:03 i just filed a bug that xls export is not functioning properly Mar 19 06:59:08 close on the 25, try to get the first wave (90%) by april 8, final schedule by 22? Mar 19 06:59:37 makes sense Mar 19 06:59:53 provided the sponsorship people can live with those dates Mar 19 06:59:56 * thiago_home will be in the US for Camp KDE and LCS between April 2 and 9 Mar 19 06:59:58 hmm? Mar 19 07:00:36 well, there's bound to be sponsorsed participants that can only go speak if sponsored Mar 19 07:01:16 so that usually requires them to know as early as possible for budget reasons, so it would be good to sync when they ideally need an indication if someone speaks or not Mar 19 07:01:57 (if that doesn't make sense, i need to get more coffee) Mar 19 07:13:30 right, that's why the confirmation of 90% earlier Mar 19 07:13:37 k Mar 19 07:13:44 and the final confirmation (including rejects) one month in advance of the conference Mar 19 07:19:48 meego not in gsoc ? why? Mar 19 07:20:26 bluelf: whoever managed the process didn't want/thought application was bad/we didn't include enough hello kitty drawings Mar 19 07:20:38 in short, we don't know :) Mar 19 07:23:21 I want to work , I have basic programming experience , I am willing to learn . How can I start developing or at least learning how to develop meego.Please tell me where to start . Mar 19 07:24:57 I have tried the wiki I dint get much ! Mar 19 07:26:14 start learning qt and qml, that's best step :) Mar 19 07:29:38 select easy bug from tracker and try to fix it :) Mar 19 09:14:29 morning Mar 19 09:14:34 morn iekku Mar 19 09:24:47 Is there a current list of accepted talks for sf2011? Mar 19 09:27:46 none has been accepted yet Mar 19 09:28:13 Oh, hah, just thought it'd be good if I tried to be unique :P Mar 19 09:28:18 use the call for presentations text as inspiration and that should get a good idea :) Mar 19 09:28:23 there's a list of proposed talks on website Mar 19 09:29:05 Ah m'kay Mar 19 09:35:45 lots of new proposes there, nice Mar 19 09:35:51 yeah Mar 19 09:36:07 hope lots of them coming Mar 19 09:36:28 good ones, to make Stskeeps's work harder :P Mar 19 09:40:16 Heh, got a link to the page? Mar 19 09:40:48 http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions Mar 19 09:42:24 "How to make your session suck less" hahah Mar 19 09:43:53 "QML Quality Assurance" I wanna watch that one Mar 19 09:44:10 sabotage also has a dialer session Mar 19 09:47:30 Ah Mar 19 09:47:33 :) Mar 19 09:50:54 qml qa sounds interesting Mar 19 09:52:32 Yeah, I wanna watch that one. Mar 19 10:09:01 I'm suprised no one has started a qml javascript repository thingy Mar 19 10:10:14 dneary spoke of some code snippets storage or something like that at some point Mar 19 10:10:47 Yeah, that kind of thing :) Mar 19 10:11:21 I might do some research in using jquery and protoype libs Mar 19 11:43:10 hi again, would it be possible to build with OBS against Meego 1.0? (yesterday nobody knew :)) Mar 19 11:46:03 try and find out? :) Mar 19 11:48:27 dm8tbr: I did Mar 19 11:48:34 dm8tbr: it's broken Mar 19 11:49:00 ah, poke lbt or X-Fade then :) Mar 19 11:50:39 MeeGo 1.0 ... hmm Mar 19 11:50:54 why? Mar 19 11:51:31 let me rephrase ... "goddamit that's more work... how useful is it really?" :D Mar 19 11:52:08 and define "broken" Mar 19 11:52:11 lbt: because it's preinstalled and because I have not yet persuaded the company to give me upgrade instructions for the particular box, and because I'm afraid of reinstalling as I never worked with Redboot Mar 19 11:52:37 lbt: so broken that the build information doesn't even appear Mar 19 11:52:39 sounds reasonable Mar 19 11:52:58 what project? Mar 19 11:53:06 lbt: better see yourself: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Apavlix Mar 19 11:56:27 pavlix: I'm going to add MeeGo:1.0:Core to your repo path ... OK ? Mar 19 11:56:42 lbt: ok Mar 19 11:57:25 so ... the way 1,0 seems to work is that you have 1.0:Core with a prjconf Mar 19 11:57:55 there must be a prjconf somewhere as it essentially defines what the minimal chroot it Mar 19 11:57:57 is Mar 19 11:58:11 then ... for 1.0 ... the Netbook repo is *added* to that. Mar 19 11:58:29 penis Mar 19 11:58:32 it looks like the pre-defined setup isn't quite right... let me review it Mar 19 11:58:54 however... https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Apavlix Mar 19 11:59:02 you haz clutter already ;) Mar 19 11:59:21 mitäh? Mar 19 11:59:23 lbt: thanks a lot, this way it will be much easier Mar 19 11:59:43 np pavlix :) Mar 19 12:00:31 this OBS doesn't seem partucilarly fast.... but it's still faster than the box.... and it gets me a repository for free :) Mar 19 12:00:46 it should be fast Mar 19 12:00:50 I hope to switch to 1.1 anyway Mar 19 12:01:14 I think we need to work on the HW/OS tuning though Mar 19 12:01:52 when I build the same on my laptop for Fedora, it's still faster Mar 19 12:02:42 but I'm too lazy to set up all stuff there Mar 19 12:02:43 using "osc build" ? Mar 19 12:02:58 or just 'make' ? Mar 19 12:03:06 lbt: nono, just rpmbuild on Fedora Mar 19 12:03:53 ah... well it's doing a heck of a lot less work then. So you could have faulty build-deps and it'd still build if they were installed on your laptop Mar 19 12:03:59 lbt: and... I cannot add Fedora repository to OBS Mar 19 12:04:05 lbt: using the one from the listing Mar 19 12:04:14 file a bug... :) Mar 19 12:04:30 (please) Mar 19 12:05:08 lbt: I'm a little bit confused where to file it Mar 19 12:05:11 https://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community%20Build%20Service Mar 19 12:05:23 I'm just noting the MeeGo:1.0:Netbook issue Mar 19 12:05:31 ok Mar 19 12:06:56 pavlix: what product/device BTW Mar 19 12:08:16 lbt: sort of a intel atom based HTPC with redboot and meego Mar 19 12:08:47 * lbt is interested ... is it a commercial device? Mar 19 12:08:59 lbt: I got it as a testing machine for my work, closed source, unfortunately Mar 19 12:09:15 np... just interested Mar 19 12:09:33 can you say what company? Mar 19 12:10:19 lbt: for me it's really just a metal box without proper cover, before that I used a dell netbook with meego for development Mar 19 12:11:14 lbt: company name is not so confidential :), it is a local company in Czech Republic, Lica, you probably don't know Mar 19 12:11:49 no - but it's good to get an understanding of what's happening :) Mar 19 12:13:51 the ruler takes the boy just as he enters manhood and teaches him that his highest duty is to shoot a bullet through his neighbors heart Mar 19 12:14:19 lbt: they're doing many sorts of TV stuff :) Mar 19 12:29:50 lbt: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14707 Mar 19 12:29:53 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug 14707 nor, Undecided, ---, maemo, NEW, Fedora 14 repository can't be added to a community build service project Mar 19 12:41:17 morning Mar 19 12:44:04 ta Mar 19 14:43:42 morning araujo \o Mar 19 14:43:46 what are you upto today? Mar 19 14:44:18 Hey lcuk Mar 19 14:44:23 hi alterego \o Mar 19 14:44:24 Glorious day isn't it :) Mar 19 14:44:37 I was just trying to ride a unicycle with my gf Mar 19 14:44:38 Stskeeps, even with no accepted sessions, are there any you are liking the look of? Mar 19 14:44:51 lcuk: qml qa looks good, Mar 19 14:44:53 alterego, not looked Mar 19 14:44:54 ;) Mar 19 14:45:05 alterego, which session? (link?) Mar 19 14:45:17 Kates AR drone as well Mar 19 14:46:18 Those are the ones I've remembered anyway :D Mar 19 14:46:41 lcuk: have you seen this? http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions Mar 19 14:47:13 no new sessions in several hours Mar 19 14:47:24 :( Mar 19 14:47:43 lcuk, morning there o/ Mar 19 14:47:52 lcuk, not much, just getting used to my new glasses :P Mar 19 14:48:13 alterego, am not asking for the whoe list (ta though) was asking for specifics you liked (and having a link nearby helps people digging in future) Mar 19 14:48:23 araujo, awesome, what kind are you getting? Mar 19 14:48:35 lcuk: okay, I'll look through them again and make some notes. Mar 19 14:48:46 I'd like to keep track/remember anyway ;) Mar 19 14:48:54 there you go :) Mar 19 14:50:14 araujo, are you going to have embedded HUD on the new ones? Mar 19 14:50:31 BIG BACON detector! Mar 19 14:50:52 lcuk, just some polycarbonate glasses :P Mar 19 14:50:55 hahaha Mar 19 14:53:25 lcuk: looking again, there's actually quite a lot I'm interested in seeing .. Mar 19 14:53:47 alterego, yeah there are a load of sessions Mar 19 14:54:14 morning arjan \o Mar 19 14:56:35 lcuk: I might have to c&p these to pastie.org for you ;) Mar 19 14:56:54 alterego, it is not for me :) it is just to have a discussion Mar 19 14:57:14 * lcuk is not even on the conf list yet Mar 19 14:57:59 berndhs, :P Mar 19 14:58:43 I think a lot of the qml ones could be merged into fewer but more meaty talks. Mar 19 14:59:41 lcuk: obviously this one: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/meego-12-developer-edition-nokia-n900 :D Mar 19 14:59:56 I still want to know how we will get meego on smaller, less powerful devices Mar 19 15:00:03 heh alterego Mar 19 15:00:19 lcuk: i believe nokia 770 could technically run meego, just not handset ux Mar 19 15:01:02 Stskeeps, good, what about some sort of small media playing device rather than solely large format high resolution tabletish things? Mar 19 15:01:27 MeeGo PMP? Mar 19 15:01:35 (Portable Media Player) Mar 19 15:01:42 lcuk: i mean, why not.. we might have to go to non-Xorg though Mar 19 15:01:44 * alterego chuckles Mar 19 15:01:49 alterego, Stskeeps is already a PMP Mar 19 15:01:58 * alterego chuckles Mar 19 15:01:58 Pretty Manly Person? Mar 19 15:01:58 :P Mar 19 15:02:01 Hah Mar 19 15:02:03 heh Mar 19 15:02:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zVPOEmOVnQ Mar 19 15:03:17 There seem to be a lot of "write apps in qml" and "write apps in qml with qt components" Mar 19 15:03:29 we might suggest to some to merge their talks Mar 19 15:03:35 Stskeeps, cool, that seems nicely responsive Mar 19 15:03:39 lower resolution helps Mar 19 15:03:40 What I'd like to see is fewer of those, but merged with the things like "qml localisation" Mar 19 15:03:43 OMGITISN910 Mar 19 15:03:57 and "qml qa testing framwork" Mar 19 15:03:58 RST38h, ? Mar 19 15:04:11 Admittedly the testing one may be better on its' own. Mar 19 15:04:17 Actually, looks pretty snappy, even although it is probably staged Mar 19 15:04:34 Maybe I could ask sabotage if he wants me to talk a bit with him wrt dialer Mar 19 15:04:44 RST38h, it gets easier to do things faster when you lower the resolution Mar 19 15:04:58 n810 experience: 800*480 == 25fps, 640*480 == 33fps Mar 19 15:05:02 and continuing that trend Mar 19 15:05:25 at 2*2 I think it managed over 9000 fps Mar 19 15:06:45 alterego, why don't you use the dialer itself and talk in person Mar 19 15:07:50 RST38h, same effect occurs with Qt running on the N8 (since it is 640*360 or some such) Mar 19 15:08:01 lcuk: isn't that what I said? Mar 19 15:08:16 alterego, actually dial him up Mar 19 15:08:26 Heh Mar 19 15:08:42 on stage would be awesome use of it between you guys Mar 19 15:09:10 qml and native code, connected. cue Nokia ringtone Mar 19 15:09:10 :) Mar 19 15:09:15 Hah Mar 19 15:09:22 Nokia connecting APIs Mar 19 15:09:42 QML does not exist without native code afaik Mar 19 15:09:53 RST38h, that is the point Mar 19 15:10:02 qml makes nice UI front ends Mar 19 15:10:04 So, not sure what you mean by "connected" here, it may be a misunderstanding of the API scope Mar 19 15:10:12 without the support of the backend code it is just pretty Mar 19 15:10:48 * lcuk goes coding something Mar 19 15:11:18 You can do a lot in plain Qml, but for sure most "real" apps will require an application engine exposing a JavaScript API for Qml UIs Mar 19 15:12:08 Maybe I could do a talk on: "ISVs, This is why QML is what you want in order to gain brand recognition" Mar 19 15:13:01 Or: "Handset UX innovation using generic application code and Qml UXs" Mar 19 15:13:55 lcuk: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/data-models-qml Mar 19 15:14:12 that one should probably be merged, but I like data models and I like qml :) Mar 19 15:15:01 serious question about meego handset Mar 19 15:15:13 in Maemo, the dashboard shows grid of apps Mar 19 15:15:25 and a few of those might be your messages Mar 19 15:15:37 when new messages come in, the grid cells highlight Mar 19 15:15:49 with there being no real dashboard on meego at the moment Mar 19 15:16:04 how can you keep track of things Mar 19 15:16:32 without having to slide across the panel after each message comes in Mar 19 15:16:38 lcuk: I don't like the task switching dashboard in meego :( Mar 19 15:18:19 tbh, I don't really like the handset ux at all right now. Mar 19 15:18:32 I'm hoping for radical changes .. Mar 19 15:20:12 could qml cope with whole WM compositing and interaction? Mar 19 15:20:50 alterego, I keep thinking how much this looks like something else: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/03/conceptual-meego-tablet-ui-pictures/ Mar 19 15:21:24 lcuk: I think qml could do compositing. Mar 19 15:21:37 Well, I think it could be used for the decoration. Mar 19 15:22:01 I need to poke into mcompositor at some point tbh Mar 19 15:22:03 * lcuk still does not like compositing, especially for its wastefulness on pixels Mar 19 15:22:41 lol Mar 19 15:31:43 lcuk: those pics look like a cross between WP7 and OS X .. Mar 19 15:32:05 alterego, background image is the reason for that Mar 19 15:32:39 To be honest, it doesn't speak to me, not how maemo spoke to me with the 770 through to the N8x0s Mar 19 15:33:09 The N900 didn't really talk to me either, but up to m5 I really liked the maemo UIs Mar 19 15:33:46 I don't think any mobile (handset) OS really talks to me much at the moment. Mar 19 15:33:49 so make a maemo4 UX :P Mar 19 15:34:11 the UX should really have the table test Mar 19 15:34:21 setup a computer in a busy coffee shop Mar 19 15:34:39 They all seem to lack something. And as much as I don't like to admit it, I kind of like some aspects of WP7 UX Mar 19 15:34:42 on perhaps a larger screen, and count the number of people who walk into chairs and tables behind you Mar 19 15:34:53 Hahah Mar 19 15:35:01 less bumps == meh Mar 19 15:35:06 more bumps == awesomeness Mar 19 15:35:26 alterego:admit it, you like the colors! Mar 19 15:35:52 The whites! The blues! The magentas! The beautiful CGA palette! Mar 19 15:36:19 Heh Mar 19 15:36:43 With Qml though, we have a great tool for rapidly prototyping UI concepts. Mar 19 15:37:10 Yeah, but it still has to be standardized, so you need a widget set, notjust QML Mar 19 15:37:12 alterego, http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PUPp_mE7rwI/1.jpg tiny pic is tiny, but amusingly prototypeish ;) Mar 19 15:37:13 Even if the final implementation is mostly converted to QWidget. Mar 19 15:37:30 RST38h: agreed Mar 19 15:37:53 Hahah Mar 19 15:38:18 lcuk: that Nokia pad, I swear the font is MS WP7 font .. Mar 19 15:38:39 alterego, it probably is Mar 19 15:38:44 it is afterall a static mockup Mar 19 15:38:48 Of course they must be moving away from the Nokia font .. Mar 19 15:38:58 * lcuk ponders skinning a liqbase screen using their style Mar 19 15:39:02 lcuk: yeah, that's what I was thining. Mar 19 15:39:16 (wrt mockup) :P Mar 19 15:40:04 alterego, so what font is used for the shopping list? Mar 19 15:40:30 err todo list Mar 19 15:41:12 Hahah Mar 19 15:41:15 Dunno Mar 19 15:41:52 * lcuk has had basically that screen since 2009 Mar 19 15:41:53 I'm gonna start thinking up a mobile UX .. Mar 19 15:42:02 http://liqbase.net/liq.20090216_011659.lib.scr.png :P Mar 19 15:47:30 Anybody know of a good repository verification checker that's not yum-utils. :-) Mar 19 15:49:16 gabrbedd, hmm I would suggest timeless or timoph or sampos or pop into #meego-qa and #meego-qa-tools to see Mar 19 15:50:42 lcuk: thanks. Mar 19 16:33:02 * gabrbedd b0rked his install... `zypper dup` has become very dumb. Mar 19 16:34:47 I installed Windows 7 SP1, my desktop is now in the corner of my room waiting to be fixed Mar 19 16:35:56 heh Mar 19 16:37:14 :) Mar 19 16:38:05 salut Alison_Chaiken Mar 19 16:38:18 on a realated note, ovi suite is a bastard Mar 19 16:38:50 I found a strange behaviour of zypper in meego Mar 19 16:39:10 :D awesome: Mar 19 16:39:12 The removal of portions of circuits that aren't essential to the task at hand is known as 'probabilistic pruning,' and it results in chips that are twice as fast, use half the power, and are half the size of conventional chips. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/03/19/169217/Pruned-Microchips-Twice-As-Fast-and-Efficient Mar 19 16:40:22 I have a custom repository with newer versions of some packages, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Apavlix, and zypper install mx-devel, when called the first time, installs the older version from meego repos, when called the second time, upgrades from my custom repo Mar 19 16:40:44 pavlix, how odd. Mar 19 16:40:48 shouldn't it decide the version first time and keep it second time? Mar 19 16:41:04 you did zypper refresh first I gather? Mar 19 16:41:14 Huomenta CosmoHill. Are you coming to our SF MeeGoCon? Mar 19 16:41:20 lcuk I thougt it's automatic Mar 19 16:41:28 lcuk and it seems it sort of is :) Mar 19 16:41:31 Alison_Chaiken: nope Mar 19 16:41:32 pavlix, perhaps Mar 19 16:42:10 and, just in case, I turned on the refresh setting of the repo Mar 19 16:42:25 I live in a cave, come outside and blink at the sunlight then go back inside Mar 19 16:42:33 the cave being a metaphor for my workload Mar 19 16:42:37 pavlix, maybe because you were replacing system component it used the proper repository first? Mar 19 16:43:04 lcuk: maybe, I can't tell Mar 19 16:43:56 Alison_Chaiken, how is prep going for the conf then? what talk have you submitted? Mar 19 16:44:58 lcuk, I am out of the loop on the Conference preps although I volunteered to help. I sense that the number of submitted abstracts is disappointing so far. Mar 19 16:45:33 apart from this anomaly, this setup works perfectly for me, and I installed the version of Mx I need.... thanks lbd :) Mar 19 16:46:59 Alison_Chaiken, so what would you submit? Mar 19 16:47:09 mh, if what Alison_Chaiken is true and there would be interest in something related to community hardware adaptations and community in general I could offer to come up with some talk. Mar 19 16:47:36 Stskeeps can confirm that I'm quite painfully active in that topic ;) Mar 19 16:47:45 Alison_Chaiken, do you think your ninja routine with Quim could be pulled off on stage? Mar 19 16:48:09 reading a presentation whilst hanging upside down and installing software on a screen might make for an awesome photo op Mar 19 16:48:34 o.O Mar 19 16:48:50 * gabrbedd submits session proposal. Mar 19 16:49:00 lcuk, great idea. I did recently simply yank the plug out of one of the monitors near our elevator. The screen showed Valtteri expounding on the advantages of MeeGo just moments before. Mar 19 16:49:25 And, I forgot to add, the monitor was using a Windows app to show the video. Mar 19 16:49:43 sigh Mar 19 16:50:05 ok, so we need a meego on a stick that is fully advertising ready Mar 19 17:13:25 meego on a stick Mar 19 17:15:16 Deep fat fried meego on a stick, topped with syrup and whipped cream Mar 19 17:15:22 mmmmmmmmm Mar 19 17:20:55 needs more bacon. Mar 19 17:25:41 gabrbedd, it always needs more bacon Mar 19 17:26:45 gabrbedd, I note there is also no #bacon thread on meeGo forum Mar 19 17:26:50 (unlike Maemo one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24701) Mar 19 17:27:25 hahaha! Mar 19 17:27:42 how do they survive without #bacon ? Mar 19 17:28:15 berndhs, IDK Mar 19 17:28:26 this was one of the easter eggs in original liqbase Mar 19 17:28:28 http://liqbase.net/liq.20090115_233206.gary.scr.png Mar 19 17:28:44 * lcuk just restored that starfield actually Mar 19 17:28:57 * lcuk ponders adding bacon too Mar 19 17:29:56 BT's new "home hub" has a restart button, that raises questions of reliability Mar 19 17:35:52 Heh Mar 19 17:36:10 Would you say the same if it just had a power switch? Mar 19 17:36:44 Or a pinhole reset button Mar 19 17:36:55 it has a pin hole reset, a power button and a restart button Mar 19 17:37:07 http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumer/assets/images/broadband/home_hub_large_3.jpg Mar 19 17:37:11 Meh Mar 19 17:37:31 nice that they give you a choice of how to restart the router when it fails Mar 19 17:39:14 Anyway, all routers tend to fail, having a button at the front would be nice tbh, rather than digging around to unplug it, or turning it off at the mains. Mar 19 17:39:19 Wouldn't go with anything provided by the Phone company Mar 19 17:39:49 * gabrbedd hates the DSL modes with the "kill switch" on the top where it's easy to bump. Mar 19 17:39:55 s/modes/modems/ Mar 19 17:40:12 I just want to know how BT Infinity works and if it's like an external modem Mar 19 17:40:43 no point spending £50 on a new router only to find out I then need to replace it with another one just cos I need a ethernet point instead of a ADSL port Mar 19 17:43:41 CosmoHill, I thought the BT infinity box included a complete copy of the internet. Mar 19 17:44:04 It actually does, but with all the naughty bits removed Mar 19 17:44:21 So, that copy actually fits the 32GB SD card Mar 19 18:13:12 hmmh Mar 19 18:13:21 just ordered kendo m7 android tablet for 99€ Mar 19 18:13:48 what cpu Jartza Mar 19 18:20:45 hello Mar 19 18:21:24 hi Mar 19 18:32:58 * CosmoHill shuffles Deck Mar 19 19:04:43 hola all Mar 19 19:05:03 hi wazd_ TSCHAKeee \o Mar 19 19:05:10 yo Mar 19 19:50:32 hey, has ANYONE tried to build a MeeGo stack using BusyBox ? Mar 19 19:50:55 right now, we install the full versions of a LOT of stuff in core, and that takes up a chunk o space. Mar 19 19:52:07 TSCHAKeee, busybox was cause of many maemoisms in the past and it was discussed and decided early on that full clean versions of apps are better i nthe longrun Mar 19 19:52:24 maemoisms? Mar 19 19:53:06 i can understand why in some cases, but there are some devices that, you know.. have only 512MB or 1GB of flash upon which to store an operating system Mar 19 19:53:16 and i don't like having the overhead of going to squashFS Mar 19 19:55:42 how much bigger is coreutils than busybox? Mar 19 19:55:56 thiago_home: a _lot_ Mar 19 19:56:11 how much? 1 MB? Mar 19 19:56:14 You're talking bash as well, or what other shell you want to use Mar 19 19:56:15 for me, it's the difference between having a 800mb system image, and a 400mb one. Mar 19 19:56:57 yes, it does mean bash too, which means libreadline and termcap Mar 19 19:56:59 OpenPeak for example, stores TWO copies of their Linux OS on the hardware, they can do that because they busyboxed everything Mar 19 19:57:31 No, coreutils + bash + some other packages that busybox uses probably equals 5M-8M Mar 19 19:57:44 s/uses/replaces/ Mar 19 19:57:45 alterego meant: No, coreutils + bash + some other packages that busybox replaces probably equals 5M-8M Mar 19 19:57:59 Where as busy box can be about 0.5M Mar 19 19:58:13 I think the largest I've seen it is ~1M Mar 19 19:59:29 i'm not saying it's right for everyone Mar 19 19:59:45 meego compliancy requires coreutils Mar 19 19:59:47 but i'm just trying to trim things down so that it fits comfortably on this openpeak device which has 1GB of flash. Mar 19 20:00:12 TSCHAKeee, it is not just busybox though, it is the system scripts which require tweaks to use it Mar 19 20:00:22 yeah, am aware Mar 19 20:00:25 :/ Mar 19 20:00:43 * thiago_home finds it hard to believe that 1 GB wouldn't be enough Mar 19 20:00:53 on Maemo removing busybox and replacing with full toos can make system unbootable - if busybox tools were compatible with the set of scripts using normal tools I would agree Mar 19 20:01:13 thiago_home, I find it hard to believe we cannot fit in the 256mb partition to be fair Mar 19 20:01:24 * alterego lals at reference dialers' HistoryTableModel::generateDirection() method Mar 19 20:01:28 256 is tight Mar 19 20:01:34 int dir(qrand() % 2); // 0=OUT, 1=IN, 2=MISS Mar 19 20:01:36 pahaha Mar 19 20:01:55 busybox is designed for systems with as little as 8mb of flash Mar 19 20:01:55 They use entropy to work out the type of call :D Mar 19 20:02:02 1G is just totally massive Mar 19 20:02:32 wait, i've got that backwards... busybox goes down to 2mb flash/8mb ram Mar 19 20:02:35 thiago_home, entire operating systems used to exist in ess than 1mb :P Mar 19 20:02:58 lcuk: heheh, I know. ;) Mar 19 20:03:00 * lcuk ahems at 640kb comment Mar 19 20:03:06 Entire OS used to exist in 32K :P Mar 19 20:03:08 yes, I remember booting with a 5.25" floppy Mar 19 20:03:13 * TSCHAKeee built software atop OS9, believe me, I remember. Mar 19 20:03:24 My first machine was a BBC Electron Mar 19 20:03:29