**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 29 02:59:57 2011 Mar 29 03:23:50 morning Mar 29 03:25:25 morning Mar 29 03:49:03 morning Mar 29 04:06:05 timoph: Howdy! Mar 29 04:06:21 o/ Mar 29 04:57:26 morning guys \o Mar 29 04:58:19 I spotted this last night and it caught a happy nerve, regarding how Mozilla are streamlining their mobile browser http://stechz.com/2011/responsive-panning-and-zooming/ Mar 29 05:01:34 lcuk: Hey man! You're up early! Mar 29 05:02:35 just found out that help.meego.com exists Mar 29 05:03:31 nice idea but IMO needs some work to be really helpful Mar 29 05:03:51 oh Mar 29 05:04:26 timoph: Ah, I remember that site. Was really helpful when I couldn't figure out clutter. :-) Mar 29 05:04:45 :) Mar 29 05:05:58 timoph, I gather a lot of that was originally created around moblin? Mar 29 05:06:38 It's been around since 1.0... back when Netbook was the only useable UX. Mar 29 05:07:20 lcuk: looks like it Mar 29 05:12:01 * Stskeeps ponders if it's possible to construct a better netbook UX with the new qml stuff Mar 29 05:12:14 one step at a time Mar 29 05:14:53 Stskeeps, it certainly would be of course Mar 29 05:15:03 speaking of qml, in the tablet photo viewer Mar 29 05:15:22 when you are panning through images, sometimes a row of thumbnails appears at the top Mar 29 05:15:30 but there is no defined action to do it Mar 29 05:15:51 not to mention when it is displayed it goes out of sync quite easily Mar 29 05:17:40 One UX to rule them all, One UX to find them, One UX to bring them all and in the LF kind them. Mar 29 05:18:37 Actually, for a netbook ux (no touch) -- the mutter thing was pretty darn good. That's what sold us on meego. Mar 29 05:23:14 hmm the tasks UI has odd UX and leads to duplicating actions and scratching heads. Mar 29 05:26:19 lcuk: tasks ui? Mar 29 05:27:24 gabrbedd, on the tablet ux, there is a tasks app Mar 29 05:27:33 just simple ticklist Mar 29 05:27:39 similar to the one on netbook Mar 29 05:27:45 * lcuk uses that quite often now :) Mar 29 05:29:08 lcuk: ah. Mar 29 05:29:59 it does not do much good in the tablet UX though Mar 29 05:30:10 since the panels view does not appear to show the tasks Mar 29 05:30:55 the reason for duplicating it is probably because the netbook one is GTK+ Mar 29 05:32:20 I happened to like this concept: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/03/conceptual-meego-tablet-ui-pictures/ Mar 29 05:33:01 it looks similar to the liqbase playground on the front screen and I believe should be workable in some manner in qml (though scaling of qml crops up as a problem every time I discuss it) Mar 29 05:33:15 Me too... it's lika a mashup of liqbase and the Netbook UX. Mar 29 05:34:07 i tried to get the latest tablet ux running on my pineviews... that was no phun. Mar 29 05:34:28 At least... trying to do it through zypper was a losing proposition. Mar 29 05:35:40 gabrbedd, yeah but the usb stick gives a great simple way of booting and testing without impacting running system Mar 29 05:38:26 Yes, but my that' swhat my running system is for... and mic2 is typically not very friendly with me. :-) Mar 29 05:39:37 buy mic a beer, I am sure he will be nicer. :) Mar 29 05:40:22 dunno, he slurs his error messages... I think he's already 3 sheets to the wind Mar 29 05:45:29 * lcuk goes breakfasting with snotbag ala jake Mar 29 05:45:39 :-) Mar 29 06:27:30 * lopotter gets permission denied when doing a zypper refresh Mar 29 06:28:25 oh wonderful. yet another repo change... Mar 29 06:40:08 hi My qemu goes black screen when i click on something and come after several minutes Mar 29 06:40:26 anyone facing this issue Mar 29 06:40:45 it is very slow for using it Mar 29 06:40:51 x86 or arm? Mar 29 06:41:28 qemu is supposed be x86 Mar 29 06:42:36 can i am using meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.90.1.20110201.1-runtime Mar 29 06:42:54 can* is typo pls ignore it Mar 29 06:43:16 bkalinga, is this a new experience? Mar 29 06:43:29 or have you only just started to use the qemu? Mar 29 06:44:09 no i feel earlier it was bit responsive but now it seems dead slow Mar 29 06:44:28 also bkalinga that image is quite old indeed Mar 29 06:44:47 i have 4 ssh login opened ,would that create any problem?? Mar 29 06:45:07 do we have 1.2 released?? Mar 29 06:46:06 bkalinga, not yet. Mar 29 06:46:16 In that case 1.1.9 can not be considered too old. Mar 29 06:47:07 i just clicked on SMS application 10minutes ago still now it shows black screen Mar 29 06:47:18 bkalinga, when normally picking up the daily testing images, it is. Mar 29 06:47:35 however there is no -qemu build on the dailies for handset Mar 29 06:47:36 hm Mar 29 06:48:05 actually i am not taking daily images..have just taken the pre-release one Mar 29 06:48:45 have experienced handset image on qemu any time Mar 29 07:05:47 i have a small doubt, when i use zypper si does is modify(add/remove/replace) any binay content to my build environment as it is supposed to resolve package dependency Mar 29 07:57:42 Morning, all Mar 29 07:57:53 good morning Jaffa Mar 29 07:58:11 morn jaffa Mar 29 07:58:48 \o jaffa Mar 29 08:04:48 hey Jaffa (and everyone) Mar 29 08:05:11 -> coffee Mar 29 08:29:31 hy all. I am trying to build a MeeGo project based on MeeGo 1.1.90.5.20110301.7 and I have a problem. For ARMv7 the build stalls when building gcc. This happens on both my OBS server and my local build machine. It seems to stall when configuring libgomp .... it just stays there and no error is given. More than 24hrs passed. It works just fine for i586. Any toughts? Mar 29 08:32:52 what is it doing? Mar 29 08:33:06 andreizro: what prjconf are you using? Mar 29 08:34:19 Trunk Mar 29 08:34:27 andreizro: could you pastiebin it? Mar 29 08:35:06 sure, but it's the Trunk that MeeGo uses right now. I just took it 1hr ago Mar 29 08:35:15 Trunk.conf I mean Mar 29 08:37:09 Stskeeps: Do you still want me to paste it? Mar 29 08:37:21 yes Mar 29 08:37:39 k Mar 29 08:38:27 * timeless_w7ip ponders Mar 29 08:39:03 stskeeps: so, is there actually any qa team for meego? :) Mar 29 08:39:08 timeless_w7ip: yes? Mar 29 08:39:56 and do they triage bugs? :) Mar 29 08:40:00 yes Mar 29 08:40:34 Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/1730124 Mar 29 08:40:56 andreizro: armv7el or armv8el? Mar 29 08:41:22 armv7 Mar 29 08:41:51 ok Mar 29 08:42:01 what make -j is used? Mar 29 08:43:55 -j1 Mar 29 08:44:31 hmm. Mar 29 08:44:38 andreizro: what cpu is the builders? Mar 29 08:44:47 a Quad Mar 29 08:44:56 specifically what processor :) Mar 29 08:45:31 :) Intel Core2 Q9550 Mar 29 08:45:50 should work Mar 29 08:46:12 that's my OBS worker, my laptop has a Core i5 M560 ... and the same issue Mar 29 09:00:30 andreizro: ps aux on worker and see what gets stuck? Mar 29 09:03:17 Stskeeps: here is how it freezes: http://pastie.org/private/w1hzsizbxask4dibhpoaea Mar 29 09:03:44 TLS? Mar 29 09:03:53 that's interesting - what qemu version do you have on there? Mar 29 09:04:13 0.12.4-1.7 Mar 29 09:04:58 you need at least 0.14 Mar 29 09:05:00 er Mar 29 09:05:01 0.13 Mar 29 09:05:44 really? I was using MeeGo 1.0.1 untill recently and ARM builds worked out fine ... Mar 29 09:05:52 yes, but things change :P Mar 29 09:05:58 :) agreed Mar 29 09:06:02 as an example we actually build properly towards armv7-a now Mar 29 09:06:06 which means mtp=cp15 Mar 29 09:07:23 ok, I'll try to update qemu and see if that resolves the issue Mar 29 09:14:40 Stskeeps: just for the record ... .for armv8el to work, do I need an even newer kernel? Mar 29 09:14:44 I mean qemu Mar 29 09:15:08 andreizro: yeah, but latest qemu should do the trick Mar 29 09:15:31 you mean 0.14 ? Mar 29 09:15:37 well, whatever is latest :P Mar 29 09:15:40 ok Mar 29 09:15:44 thanks Mar 29 09:46:12 hi Mar 29 09:46:40 is possible install xfce on meego last build without compile it? Mar 29 09:48:30 niqt: might i ask why you would want to? Mar 29 09:49:30 i have developer qt application, (kiosk apllication) but isn't run corretly with match-box and twm Mar 29 09:49:51 ok... Mar 29 09:50:25 do you have a deadline for a demo? ... what does installing xfce get you? Mar 29 09:50:46 tomorrow Mar 29 09:52:53 with xfece i should see a gui in corretly mode (with match-box i have bad fullscreen an new dialog go in background not in foreground) Mar 29 09:55:02 well, in general i think one would use 'zypper' to try to find out if something is available Mar 29 09:55:13 otherwise you'd use an obs to create the missing things Mar 29 09:55:25 (or just try to borrow a package from a similar distro) Mar 29 09:59:10 ok Mar 29 09:59:13 thanks Mar 29 10:17:52 hello i wonder, wetab - does it support celluar call? Mar 29 10:18:32 the 32 gb version does have a 3g modem Mar 29 10:29:43 heyo :) Mar 29 10:30:01 moo Mar 29 10:30:22 Stskeeps, heyo do you remember me :) i use to be h4xordood Mar 29 10:31:10 i have one question, can i run meego netbook on i7 notebook ? Mar 29 10:31:22 does it have SSSE3? Mar 29 10:32:16 Stskeeps, where to check i really dont have any idea about that Mar 29 10:32:27 i have i7 720M Mar 29 10:32:28 /proc/cpuinfo Mar 29 10:32:49 okay i it doesnt have ssse3 then ? Mar 29 10:32:57 check in ther Mar 29 10:32:57 e Mar 29 10:33:26 right now i am not in front of my system but i will check it in evening Mar 29 10:33:28 :) Mar 29 10:34:06 and is meego running on n900 ? Mar 29 10:34:14 i mean with basic features Mar 29 11:07:31 I'm a bit confused with MeeGo OBS projects: Mar 29 11:07:55 AFAIK, libMeegoTouch has been moved to the Handset vertical Mar 29 11:08:25 yet, the library is in the Trunk project, and not in Trunk:Handset Mar 29 11:08:40 everything is in Trunk now Mar 29 11:09:21 Stskeeps: is it in Trunk just because it used to be there and we cannot move it out, or is it how things are supposed to be? Mar 29 11:09:32 that's how it got reorganised Mar 29 11:09:39 they're keeping Trunk:Handset around for whatever reason Mar 29 11:09:43 it's on package group basis now Mar 29 11:10:39 Stskeeps: ah, I see, thanks! Where can I see the configurations for different verticals (or how are they called?)? Mar 29 11:10:47 package-groups Mar 29 11:11:19 Stskeeps: found, thanks a lot :-) Mar 29 11:30:22 Stskeeps: gcc built ok for ARM after qemu upgrade to 0.14.0 Mar 29 11:30:25 OK Mar 29 11:30:25 good Mar 29 11:30:30 thanks Mar 29 11:30:52 one more question: when is the MeeGo 1.2 release plannet? I thought I heard something about April Mar 29 11:31:18 andreizro: end of April / beginning of May Mar 29 11:31:21 http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 Mar 29 11:31:34 ok, thank you Mar 29 12:24:46 when ever i enter qemu shell by doing ssh; i could see several system debug logs are coming Mar 29 12:24:52 Message from syslogd@localhost at Tue Mar 29 15:20:15 2011 ... Mar 29 12:24:58 localhost klogd: [ 635.654885] Process tracker-store (pid: 661, ti=eab9a000 task=ea98c850 task.ti=eab9a000) Mar 29 12:25:11 how to get rid of this Mar 29 12:37:47 Can I get and use the Meego artwork? I have a internal document about Meego, and I'd like to add a Meego character to it. Mar 29 12:38:00 w00t_: thanks for the pointers. Does the tablet/unified UX project have a wiki page or ML? Mar 29 12:38:31 mardy: I haven't really found any wiki page, but then, I haven't gone looking Mar 29 12:38:57 code is at: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/ Mar 29 12:39:28 apps are QML stubs of sorts, launched by meego-qml-launcher Mar 29 12:47:17 * timeless_w7ip shakes a stick Mar 29 12:47:45 hi all, i am facing a problem in qemu for meego Handset image Mar 29 12:48:11 when ever i try to move my mouse pointer over the qemu Mar 29 12:48:30 w00t:: can you try to link to things under http://mxr.meego.com/meego.gitorious.org/source/ :) Mar 29 12:48:47 its getting disappear and not able to tap anywhere using the mouse pointer Mar 29 12:48:59 any one has faced same issue Mar 29 12:49:40 http://pastebin.com/1dvpk8EB Mar 29 12:49:47 timeless_w7ip: given you can't clone from mxr, no Mar 29 12:50:05 this is the logs that i am getting in my qemu $ shell Mar 29 12:52:07 w00t_: actually, you can :) Mar 29 12:52:17 (as long as you speak hg) Mar 29 12:52:42 http://mxr.meego.com/hgweb.cgi/ <- somewhere in there Mar 29 12:53:10 (technically if you were really clever you could probably convince mxr to let you have access to the git repos too since it has them) Mar 29 12:53:31 err Mar 29 12:53:34 * timeless_w7ip pokes hgweb Mar 29 13:40:14 * mikeleib waves to all the boys and girls of the world Mar 29 13:40:31 .o/ Mar 29 13:40:45 morn mikeleib Mar 29 13:40:58 so you responsible for anything in tablet UX? Mar 29 13:41:07 semi Mar 29 13:41:20 * mikeleib has been poking here and there Mar 29 13:41:25 k Mar 29 13:41:45 * mikeleib is turning his attention to improvements to qml-launcher Mar 29 13:42:03 much needed :P Mar 29 13:42:10 I think w00t_ has some patches in flight Mar 29 13:42:13 yeah Mar 29 13:43:32 Hopefully we'll be able to trade some patches and get things more betterrer Mar 29 13:43:39 my goal is faster and less memory Mar 29 13:43:54 well, the GL context stuff will help a lot on iCDK and other SGX based systems (like N900) Mar 29 13:43:54 mikeleib: lovely! so's mine :-) Mar 29 13:45:09 speaking of the tablet ux... where can one find a pineview .ks file? Mar 29 13:45:12 Yes. But it's a tricky business as not everybody has the same features in their proprietary driver. Nokia platforms have some special sauce to make this work better, if I understand correctly Mar 29 13:45:37 mikeleib: I already have it working, I just need to remove a visual glitch Mar 29 13:45:38 nop, think they just let go of the context Mar 29 13:45:47 mikeleib: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy10RPxLEn4 Mar 29 13:46:00 if it's the patch you sent earlier, I saw it working on a pinetrail system Mar 29 13:46:08 mikeleib: oh, yes Mar 29 13:46:11 it is Mar 29 13:46:21 I want to verify that the resources are really given up Mar 29 13:46:37 they are on n900 at least Mar 29 13:46:39 we did a similar experiment ages ago, but the resources never came back Mar 29 13:46:47 and in theory, they should be Mar 29 13:46:53 however, a lot of plumbing has changed since then Mar 29 13:47:04 (as QGLWidget is what holds the context, and setViewport deletes the old viewport) Mar 29 13:47:53 launch times should be improved as well Mar 29 13:48:47 spiffy Mar 29 14:28:19 * CosmoHill wonders what happened to all the good candybar phones Mar 29 14:29:28 cosmohill: everyone's getting fat these days :) Mar 29 14:29:54 they got chomped by all this touchy-feely thing, biting down seems to have gone out of fashion Mar 29 14:30:04 I love how crappy vodafone's website is Mar 29 14:30:40 doesn't seem to register than it's told me it's a smart phone twice, a HTC three times and other things Mar 29 14:31:21 comparing two phones: dimentions is listed 6 times Mar 29 14:31:26 http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/catalog/phonesComparePage.jsp?categoryId=cat70018&serverName= Mar 29 16:32:09 * CosmoHill 's head goes pop thinking about database distribution Mar 29 16:54:48 Stskeeps: ping Mar 29 16:55:07 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.kde.org/8460/ Mar 29 16:55:11 not here, making stea Mar 29 16:55:12 k Mar 29 16:55:27 oh Mar 29 16:56:04 Stskeeps: i see "flags : ssse3" Mar 29 16:56:17 so it can run meego netbook ? Mar 29 16:57:13 should Mar 29 16:57:23 thnx Mar 29 16:57:32 any idea VBOX settings needed ? Mar 29 16:57:51 vbox probably wont wor Mar 29 16:57:56 k Mar 29 16:58:03 vmware also wont work ? Mar 29 17:00:49 Stskeeps: At first i thought you were making te Mar 29 17:00:50 a Mar 29 17:33:57 is here any meego smartphone on the market? Mar 29 17:34:25 no Mar 29 17:34:27 i ve broken my n900 ( screen broken ) , i m want to get a new smartphone Mar 29 17:34:41 thanks maligor Mar 29 17:34:51 the meego handset isn't really ready for ... a market handset Mar 29 17:34:57 so i have 2 choice, get a new n900 Mar 29 17:35:06 or switch to android ( :( ) Mar 29 17:35:18 what do u advice? Mar 29 17:35:27 I'm a heathen android user, so I might be biased Mar 29 17:35:48 i like android ( you mean )? Mar 29 17:35:51 biggest issue with android is that the manufacturers release updates really really sluggishly Mar 29 17:35:52 u like Mar 29 17:35:55 sure Mar 29 17:36:15 ok for android ( coz i dont want to give a buck to nokia ) Mar 29 17:36:20 which brand ? Mar 29 17:36:31 LG optimus ? Htc desire hd Mar 29 17:36:43 engadget.com for that plesase :) Mar 29 17:36:44 well, I have a Samsung Google Nexus S Mar 29 17:36:49 but *shrug* Mar 29 17:37:06 ok, i will check abt it Mar 29 17:37:25 stskeeps, advice a meego phone i will purchase it, even 2000 usd Mar 29 17:37:35 there s no, so we are talking abt alternatives Mar 29 17:37:50 how does one stop a build on OBS ? Mar 29 17:38:06 sorry? Mar 29 17:38:10 no wait I found it Mar 29 17:38:36 wengtim, this is mostly a developer channel Mar 29 17:38:46 wengtim: yes, please do that in #meego-bar :) Mar 29 17:38:53 #meego at irc.freenode.net: 24/7 open discussion. Mar 29 17:39:00 http://meego.com/community/irc-channel Mar 29 17:39:15 so i thought we could have an open discussion Mar 29 17:39:16 * thiago_home looks at his progress reviewing the meegoconf submissions Mar 29 17:39:18 sorry Mar 29 17:39:22 15 out of 182 Mar 29 17:39:42 thiago_home: i just finished categorising, now scripting something to help me review presentations by ordering firefox tabs :P Mar 29 17:39:52 wengtim, well, the reason I chose nexus S is simply because the google branded nexus units have a track record of getting updates Mar 29 17:40:08 i see, doest it have a keyboard? Mar 29 17:40:12 no. Mar 29 17:40:20 i need a keyboard, coz i m used with the n900 Mar 29 17:42:12 Stskeeps: you've categorised? Mar 29 17:42:15 that's what I was doing... Mar 29 17:43:05 bye Mar 29 17:43:24 stop working on meego, u r losing your time Mar 29 17:43:45 sigh Mar 29 17:43:46 :P Mar 29 17:44:07 * thiago_home is reading all the submissions and selecting the Track and a Sub-track Mar 29 17:45:35 Fun Mar 29 17:45:53 'lo jaffa Mar 29 17:46:03 We've got a sponsorship call, err soon. Next week or so. Mar 29 17:59:20 thiago_home: sent my spreadsheet v2, may be useful for your own stuff too Mar 29 18:00:14 thanks Mar 29 18:01:31 getting the id of a certain presentation mouseover on "Edit" is useful :) Mar 29 18:32:02 * mikeleib waves to heliocastro Mar 29 18:32:30 mikeleib: Howdy Mar 29 18:32:59 what brings heliocastro to #meego? Mar 29 18:33:29 Well, before whole Nokia up and downs, we are in head to work in Meego Mar 29 18:33:57 And i still intend to work with meego, just need finish the current assignment Mar 29 18:35:14 sooper Mar 29 18:35:31 "finish harmattan" has been in the to-do list for over a year now... Mar 29 18:35:47 mikeleib: And still, we're need to fit kde on meego well Mar 29 18:35:58 heliocastro: yah Mar 29 18:36:13 * mikeleib is eager for kde to work on his meego machine Mar 29 18:36:25 netbook it works Mar 29 18:36:47 * mikeleib added the kdemobile community repos, but I think it's half borked in trunk Mar 29 18:38:22 * mikeleib has been using home:mkruisselbrink:kde in cbuild.meego.com Mar 29 18:38:25 maybe that's wrong place? Mar 29 18:40:36 the ones for meego trunk are potentially a bit problematic, with bits of kde also existing in meego trunk itself Mar 29 18:40:46 we haven't quite figured out the best solution to that yet Mar 29 18:41:21 * mikeleib is eager to stop using xfce4, which appears to be abandoned Mar 29 18:42:06 abandoned? 4.8 just came out Mar 29 18:42:20 in cbuild.meego.com Mar 29 18:42:26 i see Mar 29 18:42:44 mikeleib: poke auke about it i guess Mar 29 18:42:57 it's on the tail end of the todo, IIRC Mar 29 18:54:47 I'm finding all my access to ssh clones on gitorious now fail for access permissions (even personal clones), it it looks like this is also true for other behind the same firewall.... can somebody not stuck behind a firewall verify that your gitorious ssh clones still work? I'm suspicious of the firewall Mar 29 18:55:35 checking Mar 29 18:56:09 == Gitorious: ========================================================== Mar 29 18:56:09 Access denied or wrong repository path Mar 29 18:56:09 ======================================================================== Mar 29 18:56:11 Access denied Mar 29 18:56:17 it is not you, rustylynch Mar 29 18:56:22 ok, thanks Mar 29 18:56:49 I think we need accessdeniedforeveryoneorjustme.com, just like downforeveryoneorjustme.com Mar 29 18:58:50 isgitoriousdown.com Mar 29 18:59:25 Stskeeps, and it would simply respond, "Yes, it usually is." Mar 29 18:59:35 downforeveryoneorjustme.com, lmgtfy.com and classnamer.com are three of the best websites Mar 29 19:01:55 CryptographicTimestampDialog Mar 29 19:02:24 RecursiveYakizakanaInfo Mar 29 19:02:40 MultipleButtonFactoryFactory Mar 29 19:03:02 w00t_: do you have the log of when we had a good class naming discussion in #qt-labs? Mar 29 19:03:06 hahaha! Mar 29 19:03:17 oh, we had a good one trying to decide on the name of the macro for __builtin_expect Mar 29 19:03:30 the MR proposes Q_LIKELY, I wanted Q_IS_LIKELY Mar 29 19:03:39 thiago_home: hahaha, yeah, I have it somewhere Mar 29 19:03:44 should I try find it? Mar 29 19:04:07 Q_WE_ARE_THE_KNIGHTS_WHO_LIKELY_SAY_NI Mar 29 19:04:08 "MultipleButtonFactoryFactory" sums up everything i hate about OO code in 28 characters Mar 29 19:04:12 oh, yeah Mar 29 19:04:19 * thiago_home whistles innocently Mar 29 19:04:27 ...whoever made that suggestion... Mar 29 19:04:29 ali1234: it can get much worse Mar 29 19:04:53 MultipleAbstractButtonFactorySingleton! Mar 29 19:05:15 that's not really any better or worse... Mar 29 19:05:19 but I remember a class naming discussion as well that degenerated Mar 29 19:05:28 anyway aren't all factories singleton? Mar 29 19:05:29 w00t_: that's just - true Mar 29 19:05:34 ;) Mar 29 19:05:37 I'm pretty sure it had Abstract, Factory and Singleton in the name Mar 29 19:05:43 thiago_home: going to look Mar 29 19:06:16 thiago_home: hi, as also someone else commented, I think that Q_IS_UNLIKELY() is misleading Mar 29 19:06:23 mardy: why? Mar 29 19:06:45 i would make the case that if you can't easily think of a name for a class, it shouldn't exist in the first place Mar 29 19:06:52 but then i'm not in the business of writing toolkits Mar 29 19:06:53 "There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things" - Phil Karlton Mar 29 19:07:08 thiago_home: because... read this: "if (Q_IS_UNLIKELY(almost_impossible_condition)) { beep(); }" Mar 29 19:07:22 mardy: how about Q_CONDITION_LIKELY ? Mar 29 19:07:25 thiago_home: if you don't know the macros, you'll expect it to beep Mar 29 19:08:07 thiago_home: that would be fine, though I'd prefer something shorter :-p Mar 29 19:08:49 thiago_home: the other projects I found using this kind of macros, use either G_LIKELY() of likely() Mar 29 19:08:54 Q_ARE_YOU_FEELING_LUCKY_PUNK() Mar 29 19:09:05 can't make it too short, otherwise people will use it too often Mar 29 19:09:08 and get it wrong Mar 29 19:09:34 w00t_: oh, another good one today. Did you know that those QT_BEGIN_HEADER and QT_END_HEADER macros actually do nothing useful? Mar 29 19:10:08 thiago_home: actually, the only one I use is Q_UNLIKELY(), it's very nice in error conditions Mar 29 19:10:38 thiago_home: it's not much a matter of optimization, but it really helps in making the code more readable, IMHO Mar 29 19:10:56 thiago_home: because the reader understand what the programmer expects Mar 29 19:12:05 * sabotage pings admins on #gitorious RE Access denied errors Mar 29 19:13:40 wait, are you talking about "likely" vs "is likely"? Mar 29 19:14:08 because a direct literal reading of either is misleading... Mar 29 19:16:24 ali1234: yes, we are talking about them. Yes, it's true that even without "is" they are misleading; but a bit less :-) Mar 29 19:16:42 they both mean exactly the same thing imo :) Mar 29 19:17:06 you'd have to make it Q_CONDITION_WHICH_IS_LIKELY to make it mean the same in english and in C Mar 29 19:17:12 ali1234: but "if is likely" almost reads as good English :-) Mar 29 19:17:37 ali1234: ohi! True, but... Mar 29 19:17:56 lol, what about this: Mar 29 19:18:08 Q_AS_EXPECTED() Mar 29 19:18:26 so, "if (Q_AS_EXPECTED(x != 0)) { ... }" Mar 29 19:18:44 and Q_AS_NOT_EXPECTED Mar 29 19:18:50 :-) Mar 29 19:19:03 mardy: that sounds better Mar 29 19:19:10 too bad it's likely to lose :) Mar 29 19:19:26 likely/unlikely is pretty standard it seems Mar 29 19:19:40 * timeless_w7ip doesn't remember what mozilla uses Mar 29 19:19:53 timeless_w7ip: well, that's another issue :-p Mar 29 19:19:57 ali1234: yep Mar 29 19:20:05 http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=builtin_expect Mar 29 19:20:11 we have NS_LIKELY Mar 29 19:20:15 "expected" doesn't really imply whether you expect it to be true or false... i know likely doesn't either... but it doesn't seem right to me Mar 29 19:20:21 harbuzz uses likely Mar 29 19:20:27 as does cairo Mar 29 19:20:57 line 128 -- #define GOOGLE_PREDICT_BRANCH_NOT_TAKEN(x) (__builtin_expect(x, 0)) Mar 29 19:21:02 google has the only reasonable name Mar 29 19:21:57 timeless_w7ip: well... I beg to disagree Mar 29 19:22:15 timeless_w7ip: "if google predicts the branch will not be taken, then..." :-) Mar 29 19:23:43 Q_AS_EXPECTED/Q_THOUGH_UNEXPECTED :-) Mar 29 19:24:20 Q_WTF_WHY_DID_THAT_HAPPEN Mar 29 19:24:33 phako: lol :-) Mar 29 19:25:45 the only way you can really make it senseful in english is to put it after the condition like: if(x=y) usually {do this;} else rarely {do that; } Mar 29 19:26:04 mardy: that's google-breakpad code Mar 29 19:26:55 Q_YOU_BET()/Q_DAMMIT() Mar 29 19:27:08 if (Q_SHOULD_HAPPEN()) {} Mar 29 19:27:11 ;-) Mar 29 19:27:19 if (Q_SHOULD_NOT_HAPPEN()) {} Mar 29 19:27:44 timeless_w7ip: I think they are the same as (un)likely Mar 29 19:28:11 they aren't Mar 29 19:28:34 they aren't, but they're still not true to the meaning Mar 29 19:29:15 Q_LIKELY_CONDITION actually works i think (Q_CONDITION_LIKELY doesn't though) Mar 29 19:29:33 the latter definitely doesn't Mar 29 19:29:51 we should have a poll Mar 29 19:29:55 :-) Mar 29 19:29:57 polls are bad Mar 29 19:30:00 heya Mar 29 19:30:16 does anyone have a yaml file for seahorse at hand, by any chance? Mar 29 19:30:19 i would vote for plain likely... you can't make code into perfect english Mar 29 19:30:39 so may as well go with convention Mar 29 19:30:45 ali1234: me too Mar 29 19:48:24 Stskeeps: the appup guys really got their act together for this conference Mar 29 19:48:27 lots of submissions Mar 29 19:49:43 yes Mar 29 19:50:01 QA is also as big an area as current/future components and SDK Mar 29 19:50:16 yeah Mar 29 19:50:25 sounds like a good fit for the intended objective of the conference Mar 29 19:54:42 * thiago_home needs to stop for today one fifth of the way through Mar 29 19:54:53 I have the entire day tomorrow reserved for this Mar 29 19:55:08 now I have to draft a blog Mar 29 19:55:17 :nod: i'm making fairly good progress too Mar 29 19:56:01 my two last ones is the unforgiving ones of current components and QA Mar 29 19:56:09 (and BoFs) Mar 29 20:00:09 FYI, ssh issue on gitorious.org is now fixed Mar 29 20:01:01 * thiago_home confirms Mar 29 20:04:46 thiago_home: blog \o/ Mar 29 20:04:50 you always write interesting things :) Mar 29 20:05:06 oh, I have two more drafts Mar 29 20:05:17 I still need to blog about the QDBusUnixFileDescriptor class Mar 29 20:05:26 hmmm.. what's that for? Mar 29 20:05:30 * mikeleib_afk is curious, too Mar 29 20:05:33 passing file descriptors over D-Bus Mar 29 20:05:55 msg << QDBusUnixFileDescriptor(fileno(stdout)); Mar 29 20:05:59 connection.call(msg); Mar 29 20:06:08 but isn't the file descriptor invalid in the other process? Mar 29 20:06:18 we don't pass an integer Mar 29 20:06:25 we pass the *actual* file descriptor Mar 29 20:06:30 Unix sockets allow doing that Mar 29 20:06:36 it passes the kernel stucture Mar 29 20:06:46 that's cool Mar 29 20:06:54 what do you do with it on the other side? :) Mar 29 20:07:01 w00t_: psst, that't one of the secrets of tracker direct access Mar 29 20:07:06 phako: I know Mar 29 20:07:10 it's useful, for example, for a privileged process to give an unprivileged process access to a file descriptor it couldn't open Mar 29 20:07:31 or for example to give the other process the other end of a pipe Mar 29 20:08:39 secure temporary files too. The only secure way to access a temporary file is via its fd. Mar 29 20:08:47 the name is not secure: it can be deleted and recreated. Mar 29 20:09:51 * thiago_home needs to document the class first before blogging Mar 29 20:10:18 the same is true for any file, really, though I think windows has a way to provide more than advisory locking Mar 29 20:13:42 you can't delete an open file on Windows Mar 29 20:20:45 hey lcuk :) Mar 29 20:21:10 lcuk, I've made rpm packaging for puzzle-master Mar 29 20:21:48 that is certainly positive step Venemo :D Mar 29 20:22:18 it works with my Fedora Mar 29 20:22:26 you could submit it to OBS and have coverage through all maemo/meego :) Mar 29 20:22:36 now if only there was a guide about how to set up a MeeGo chroot on my F15 :) Mar 29 20:24:15 Venemo: don't need a chroot to submit to OBS. Mar 29 20:24:43 gabrbedd, obviously I would want to test it before submitting. Mar 29 20:25:35 Venemo, test at the other side by creating a repository and downloading it Mar 29 20:26:27 Venemo: Don't be such a perfectionist. :-) Mar 29 20:27:13 oookay. it will suffice if someone can test it on a MeeGo chroot or device. Mar 29 20:27:16 Venemo: ATM, the community OBS doesn't seem to be too busy -- so you don't need to worry about wasting clock cycles. Mar 29 20:27:32 lbt might correct me, though. Mar 29 20:28:42 you won't be wasting it - that's what it's for Mar 29 20:29:10 so, could someone please test my .src.rpm before I submit it? :) Mar 29 20:33:07 test it how ? Mar 29 20:33:38 by installing on a MeeGo device and seeing if it works correctly Mar 29 20:34:31 i dont have a device, i just run meego on laptops Mar 29 20:35:15 where it the src.rpm ? Mar 29 20:35:35 moment, I'm uploading it Mar 29 20:38:28 here it is: http://sources.venemo.net/puzzle-master-1.2.2-1.fc15.src.rpm Mar 29 20:45:27 rpm says it installed it, but I think it just put the sources somewhere Mar 29 20:47:18 berndhs, do you know how .src.rpms work? Mar 29 20:47:25 i have no clue Mar 29 20:47:53 i'll unpack it and try to do rpmbuild Mar 29 20:48:02 well, .src.rpm is called a source package. you unpack it with rpm -i (as non-root) Mar 29 20:48:17 then you do rpmbuild -ba ~/rpmbuild/SPECS/puzzle-master.spec Mar 29 20:48:22 yeah and wehre does it go then ? Mar 29 20:48:45 then it goes to ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/yourarchitecture/ Mar 29 20:49:00 ah found it Mar 29 20:49:13 goes into ~/rpmbuild/SOURCES and .../SPECS Mar 29 20:49:21 yes. Mar 29 20:49:35 SPECS has the spec file, SOURCES the source tarball Mar 29 20:49:54 can't build it, doesn't find qmake-qt4 Mar 29 20:50:09 there is a macro for that I think Mar 29 20:50:29 do you have qmake? Mar 29 20:50:32 qmake name varies depending on the distro Mar 29 20:51:00 i have qmake yes, its not missing :) Mar 29 20:51:23 its just not called "qmake-qt4" on meego Mar 29 20:51:37 interesting. it's called that on both Maemo and Fedora Mar 29 20:51:52 qmake; make; sudo make install; Mar 29 20:52:04 well then open the .spec file and change qmake-qt4 to simply qmake Mar 29 20:52:12 yeah, there are many standards :) Mar 29 20:52:42 lcuk, we're testing the packaging here :) sure make install would work, but that's not the point. Mar 29 20:52:59 i know Venemo :P Mar 29 20:53:07 lcuk, :P Mar 29 20:53:22 its not finding QGLWidget Mar 29 20:53:47 missing a dependency ? it should complain earlier, this is in the compile Mar 29 20:53:51 do you have the Qt OpenGL packages installed? Mar 29 20:54:05 dont know, that's not the point Mar 29 20:54:17 point it the spec should say you need it Mar 29 20:54:27 qt-devel should do that. Mar 29 20:54:36 maybe Qt is packaged differently on MeeGo? Mar 29 20:54:54 qt is packaged in as many ways as there are pacakgers :) Mar 29 20:55:27 could you pastebin the output of 'rpm -qa | grep [Qq][Tt]'? Mar 29 20:57:33 Venemo: What does `zypper wp QtOpenGL` give you ? Mar 29 20:57:59 gabrbedd, bash: zypper: command not found Mar 29 20:58:00 Venemo: or... `zypper wp "pkgconfig(QtOpenGL)"` give you ? Mar 29 20:58:53 Venemo: Well, put `BuildRequires: pkgconfig(QtOpenGL)` and it should work regardless of distro Mar 29 20:59:37 gabrbedd, hmm, that makes sense Mar 29 21:00:06 thiago_home, (regarding the toggles) it is the theme itself that makes it wrong, the nobble is standing out more than the indication itself and hence the problem Mar 29 21:00:08 http://pastbin.com/2RL3RPGa Mar 29 21:01:39 berndhs, that's interesting Mar 29 21:01:49 ok, I'll give you a fixed spec file in a moment Mar 29 21:11:40 berndhs, see http://fpaste.org/nTIr/ and overwrite with this the .spec file Mar 29 21:12:02 berndhs, sorry, the correct URL is http://fpaste.org/nLHv/ Mar 29 21:13:46 i dont like chromium Mar 29 21:13:59 timeless_w7ip, the article discussed earlier ( http://stechz.com/2011/responsive-panning-and-zooming/ ) Mar 29 21:14:38 who is romaxa person you mentioned? Mar 29 21:15:18 Venemo: better, its complaining about missing pkgconfig(QtOpenGL) Mar 29 21:16:04 berndhs, so, install the relevant package :) Mar 29 21:16:59 yeah, we're debugging your rpm, not my system :) Mar 29 21:18:32 * CosmoHill throws a rock at MS Mar 29 21:19:15 that's for you confusing as bat shit licensing and me not being able to find out a UK price Mar 29 21:20:00 berndhs, you can't build the rpm without having QtOpenGL installed. Mar 29 21:20:08 Venemo: ok good, builts and installs now Mar 29 21:20:26 seems to run ok too Mar 29 21:20:49 berndhs, does the icon appear in the app menu? Mar 29 21:21:11 yes its in the applications part Mar 29 21:21:41 "Puzzle Master" with a puzzel piece icon Mar 29 21:22:26 berndhs, does it run? can you play with it? :) Mar 29 21:22:51 yes looks good Mar 29 21:27:07 berndhs, sounds great! thanks for helping me test it :) Mar 29 21:27:31 no sweat, feel free to test http://carpo.sf.net :) Mar 29 21:28:45 berndhs, is it written in Qt? Mar 29 21:29:09 berndhs, oh, I see it is :) Mar 29 21:29:25 yeah, QML no less Mar 29 21:30:35 berndhs, cool. I have been looking for an RSS app :) Mar 29 21:31:04 so, now that we have it figured out, how do I submit this to the OBS? Mar 29 21:31:09 it won't be any good on phones with this UI, have to work on that Mar 29 21:31:31 for the OBS, you upload the source tgz, the desktop file, and the spec file Mar 29 21:31:43 then it builds it for you Mar 29 21:32:29 berndhs, how do I get an OBS account? Mar 29 21:33:47 you give flowers to lbt Mar 29 21:34:00 and a cup of tea. Mar 29 21:36:35 Venemo: Register an account at meego.com (if you don't already have one) and then contact lbt or X-Fade. They'll want your user name, a little info on what your intentions are, and confirmation that you're just using it for OSS. Mar 29 21:37:01 yup Mar 29 21:37:34 gabrbedd, I already have a username there :) Mar 29 21:37:34 ping me when ready Mar 29 21:38:07 lbt, I'm ready :) my intentions: conquering the world with Puzzle Master Mar 29 21:38:25 ok ... follow all the instructions... Mar 29 21:38:44 lbt, ok, point me to the instructions :) Mar 29 21:39:01 what gabrbedd said... Mar 29 21:39:19 especially the "They'll want your user name" part Mar 29 21:39:58 gabrbedd: that sounds like something that should be on the wiki Mar 29 21:39:59 lbt, ok. My username is Venemo Mar 29 21:40:15 Venemo: done... Mar 29 21:40:47 CosmoHill: It is... I'm thinking it needs to be on MeeGoBot Mar 29 21:40:54 ~ Mar 29 21:41:07 dammit where's auke when you need him Mar 29 21:41:12 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure Mar 29 21:42:42 meegobot: community obs? Mar 29 21:43:04 :-( Mar 29 21:43:13 _MeeeGoBot_ CosmoHill is awesome. Mar 29 21:43:14 <_MeeeGoBot_> lcuk: ok Mar 29 21:43:23 hell yeah Mar 29 21:43:49 _MeeeGoBot_: OBS info is http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure Mar 29 21:43:51 <_MeeeGoBot_> gabrbedd: ok Mar 29 21:43:56 _MeeeGoBot_: obs info ? Mar 29 21:43:57 ~cosmohill Mar 29 21:43:58 <_MeeeGoBot_> gabrbedd: everyone knows that! OBS info is http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure Mar 29 21:44:09 ~cosmohill Mar 29 21:44:14 hm Mar 29 21:44:19 ~CosmoHill Mar 29 21:44:25 ~bless lcuk Mar 29 21:44:25 lcuk: Live long and prosper! \//, Mar 29 21:44:47 _MeeeGoBot_: CosmoHill? Mar 29 21:44:49 <_MeeeGoBot_> CosmoHill: Well, you are awesome. Mar 29 21:45:27 infobot cosmohill is awesome Mar 29 21:45:27 lcuk: okay Mar 29 21:45:31 ~cosmohill Mar 29 21:45:32 hmm... cosmohill is awesome Mar 29 21:46:03 ~obs Mar 29 21:46:04 extra, extra, read all about it, obs is opensuse build service Mar 29 21:46:46 ~wtf obs Mar 29 21:46:47 Gee... I don't know what obs means... Mar 29 21:46:49 it would be great if there was some kind of web access to the bots so we could list, add and remove commands Mar 29 21:46:50 infobot obs is opensuse build service, used around MeeGo http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure Mar 29 21:46:50 ...but obs is already something else... Mar 29 21:47:04 infobot: forget obs Mar 29 21:47:05 i forgot obs, CosmoHill Mar 29 21:47:16 infobot obs is opensuse build service, used around MeeGo http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure Mar 29 21:47:16 lcuk: okay Mar 29 21:47:22 doesn't this raise a huge permission problem? Mar 29 21:47:35 infobot: everything you know is wrong Mar 29 21:47:35 okay, gabrbedd Mar 29 21:47:36 poor infobot, memories so easily manipulated Mar 29 21:47:57 CosmoHill, only when someone redefines CosmoHill! Mar 29 21:47:57 infobot: suicide is fun, you should try it sometime...soon Mar 29 21:47:57 * infobot watches is fun, you should try it sometime...soon shoot themself in the head after seeing cosmohill commit suicide. Mar 29 21:48:11 wtf Mar 29 21:48:17 o_O Mar 29 21:48:25 ha ha Mar 29 21:48:30 jesus that's screwed up Mar 29 21:48:37 I think auke is secretly messing with us :) Mar 29 21:48:47 * CosmoHill is scared Mar 29 21:48:52 * gabrbedd can't stop laughing.... Mar 29 21:49:03 shush Mar 29 21:49:19 I'm not subtle enough to secretly mess with you all Mar 29 21:50:16 * CosmoHill goes and hides in his corner Mar 29 21:51:03 infobot: meego is fun Mar 29 21:51:03 ...but meego is already something else... Mar 29 21:51:11 infobot: blablabla is fun Mar 29 21:51:12 okay, auke Mar 29 21:51:19 hmm Mar 29 21:51:23 no infobot, meego is fun Mar 29 21:51:33 is that a youthamisim? Mar 29 21:51:49 infobot hates me :-( Mar 29 21:51:49 * CosmoHill murders the english language Mar 29 21:52:00 ~auke Mar 29 21:52:08 ~seen auke Mar 29 21:52:17 infobot: you such Mar 29 21:52:18 infobot: you suck Mar 29 21:52:23 auke is currently on #meego (18h 28m 31s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 1m 4s, last said: 'hmm'. Mar 29 21:52:25 and very well I might add Mar 29 21:52:26 well something's crashed Mar 29 21:53:26 infobot: w00t is hated by infobot Mar 29 21:53:26 stfu, is hated by infobot Mar 29 21:53:33 ... Mar 29 21:53:34 :D Mar 29 21:53:58 infobot: DawnFoster? Mar 29 21:54:08 infobot: auke? Mar 29 21:54:16 pfft Mar 29 21:54:25 we seem to have competing bots Mar 29 21:54:35 infobot: _MeeeGoBot_ ? Mar 29 21:54:46 why do we have two? Mar 29 21:54:51 _MeeeGoBot_: infobot ? Mar 29 21:54:52 <_MeeeGoBot_> auke: Sorry, I've no idea what 'infobot' might be. Mar 29 21:54:57 oooh, we need a battle of the bots Mar 29 21:55:05 please no Mar 29 21:55:08 have them both say the same thing to each other Mar 29 21:55:11 survival of the fittest Mar 29 21:55:14 :-) Mar 29 21:55:38 infobot: yes is no Mar 29 21:55:38 ...but yes is already something else... Mar 29 21:55:42 _MeeeGoBot_: no is ~yes Mar 29 21:55:44 <_MeeeGoBot_> CosmoHill: ok Mar 29 21:55:53 ~yes Mar 29 21:55:53 yes is probably the opposite of no Mar 29 21:55:56 ~yes Mar 29 21:56:20 ~no Mar 29 21:56:29 meh Mar 29 21:56:34 * CosmoHill leaves alone Mar 29 21:56:43 _MeeeGoBot_: forget no Mar 29 21:56:44 <_MeeeGoBot_> CosmoHill: I've forgotten what I knew about 'no'. Mar 29 21:59:57 just wondering, if the bots do have a knife fight with each other, how do we stop them? Mar 29 22:01:32 CosmoHill: use guns to stop a knife fight Mar 29 22:02:29 kickbot to the rescue! Mar 29 22:02:33 * lcuk washes hands Mar 29 22:03:10 lcuk: now you have clean hands but your clothes are still covered in blood Mar 29 22:03:24 CosmoHill, it is all the iDust under my finger nails Mar 29 22:04:08 Lessee... Mar 29 22:04:12 ~curse _MeeeGoBot_ Mar 29 22:04:12 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, _MeeeGoBot_ ! Mar 29 22:04:27 eek @ me reviewing iphone :O --> http://twitter.com/lcuk Mar 29 22:06:51 lcuk: We'll still talk to you. :-) Mar 29 22:09:53 vgrade, your software rendering Mar 29 22:10:03 is that using the default linux driver? Mar 29 22:10:07 errr fbdev Mar 29 22:10:10 I think Mar 29 22:17:42 lcuk you got iphone? Mar 29 22:18:23 ZogG, my son has had one for a while, I had to touch it to take it off other son so had a bit of a poke around Mar 29 22:18:37 * lcuk tried wearing gloves to stop germs, but the screen did not work for some reason Mar 29 22:19:30 lcuk, damn you stoled my tweet Mar 29 22:50:50 * mikeleib attempts to create his first gitorious merge request Mar 29 22:52:04 lcuk, sw rendering to fbdev, dual core tegra2 power! Mar 29 22:52:36 lcuk, who needs gpu for 2d UX Mar 29 22:53:18 rustylynch: you can has merge request in meego-qml-launcher Mar 29 22:53:35 vgrade, games? Mar 29 22:56:01 vgrade: tell that to vista and mac Mar 29 22:57:18 mikeleib: *goes to look* :) Mar 29 22:57:25 I hope it doesn't hate my patches :P Mar 29 22:58:14 it's nothing actually interesting Mar 29 22:58:19 it's a tiny patch to enable a "hide" interface Mar 29 22:58:39 eep, I'm 22 in 5 mins Mar 29 22:58:44 that way I can hook up a test harness to hide the apps Mar 29 23:01:32 CosmoHill: as in 22 years old? Mar 29 23:01:37 yep Mar 29 23:01:43 *feeling old* :) Mar 29 23:01:48 did you think I was older? Mar 29 23:02:23 well, you're at university, so I guess it makes sense Mar 29 23:02:30 I turn 40 next week :) Mar 29 23:02:44 anyway, happy birthday!! Mar 29 23:02:45 cool Mar 29 23:02:47 merci Mar 29 23:02:53 i'm at college and i'm older (it depend on country as well) Mar 29 23:03:06 there was a 82 year old in my class last semester Mar 29 23:03:15 wow Mar 29 23:03:39 i think he lived in university, i just was in army for 3 years Mar 29 23:03:54 i'm 25 in may and i'm one of the youngest in colledge Mar 29 23:03:59 college* Mar 29 23:04:24 I took a year out so I'm like a year older than most people in my year, if that makes sense Mar 29 23:05:16 CosmoHill: happy birthday Mar 29 23:05:21 yay Mar 29 23:05:26 when I was 22, ... Mar 29 23:05:29 happy birthday Mar 29 23:05:43 happy birthday :) Mar 29 23:05:58 * CosmoHill pretends that he doesn't have any uni work Mar 29 23:06:31 CosmoHill: it's your birthday - you shouldn't have to do any work :) Mar 29 23:07:00 w00t_: I can't seem to get obs to like yer patch Mar 29 23:07:11 mikeleib: hmm - oh? Mar 29 23:07:16 http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=meego-qml-launcher&project=home%3Amikeleib%3Abranches%3ATrunk Mar 29 23:07:34 vgrade, I have been saying the same for a long time! Mar 29 23:07:51 nice to see it happen with a real ui :) Mar 29 23:07:52 I had planned to add my patch on top... but it doesn't seem to want to apply Mar 29 23:08:06 which is confusing, as it works in your home:w00t:branches ... Mar 29 23:08:06 happy birthday CosmoHill :) Mar 29 23:08:28 there's a computer forum I hang out on all the time and I share a birthday on there Mar 29 23:08:39 thanks everyone :) Mar 29 23:08:51 happy birthday Mar 29 23:10:31 * mikeleib gets email via gitorious.. but has no idea how to reply Mar 29 23:10:42 mikeleib: with passion? Mar 29 23:10:48 meh Mar 29 23:12:32 * mikeleib is totally flummoxed why w00t's branched meego-qml-launcher builds and mine doesn't Mar 29 23:13:32 mikeleib, where is w00ts branch? Mar 29 23:14:05 mikeleib: needs more squish... Mar 29 23:14:27 aha! Mar 29 23:14:34 he branched devel:ux and I branched Trunk Mar 29 23:14:50 although.. tarball versions are the same Mar 29 23:16:34 mine isn't completely Mar 29 23:16:37 i will look in a minute Mar 29 23:16:38 brb Mar 29 23:16:56 different checksums Mar 29 23:16:58 ugg Mar 29 23:17:33 will the real meego-qml-launcher-0.2.1 please stand up Mar 29 23:17:45 ohwait.. different archive names Mar 29 23:17:46 wtf Mar 29 23:22:05 * rustylynch checks out the merge request Mar 29 23:25:03 mikeleib: who calls hide()? Mar 29 23:25:14 rustylynch: I will eventually Mar 29 23:25:16 over dbus Mar 29 23:25:33 makes yer app hideable via dbus.. nice feature Mar 29 23:25:58 ok, yea, i gathered that.... just curious, what you had in mind Mar 29 23:26:45 test harness Mar 29 23:26:53 good answer Mar 29 23:26:54 nothing fancy.. just convenient to have upstream Mar 29 23:36:16 mikeleib: I am being kind of lazy and packaging my patches I plan to upstream in the tarball Mar 29 23:36:23 and the context switching patch is over the top of that Mar 29 23:36:29 (sorry about that) Mar 29 23:36:49 if you like, I can give you a version over plain master Mar 29 23:37:52 sure Mar 29 23:38:03 I would like that Mar 29 23:38:39 looks like nokia's router is throwing a hissy fit Mar 29 23:41:37 mikeleib: http://w00t.dereferenced.net/p/t/pastebin20110330-19246-1vamnpa-0.txt Mar 29 23:41:45 untested (not compiled, run, anything) Mar 29 23:41:47 but looks ok Mar 29 23:43:08 (and sorry for the hassle, i guess i will rename to avoid future such problems :P) Mar 29 23:43:37 * mikeleib throws into obs and sees what happens Mar 29 23:52:17 cyas Mar 29 23:52:36 w00t_: w00t! Mar 29 23:52:45 home:mikeleib:branches:Trunk/meego-qml-launcher Mar 29 23:52:47 mikeleib: works? ;) Mar 29 23:52:54 it builds anway Mar 29 23:52:58 that or he's making train noises again Mar 29 23:57:21 rustylynch: new merge request with fixed (I think) whitespace Mar 29 23:58:13 * rustylynch looks Mar 29 23:59:20 * mikeleib finds gitorious merge requests less slick that git-send-email and git-am Mar 30 00:00:35 * rustylynch needs to figure out how to configure gitorious to notify him Mar 30 00:01:24 another reason git-send-email is better Mar 30 00:01:28 seems like there should be a way to just click on something in the web page to suck in the changeset Mar 30 00:01:48 another reason git-am is better Mar 30 00:05:09 rustylynch: http://gotiroius.org/favorites Mar 30 00:05:12 er.. gitorious* Mar 30 00:05:23 and yes, an 'apply this to ' button would be great Mar 30 00:05:32 * mikeleib finds meego-ux-settings doesn't seem to come back right after being hidden Mar 30 00:05:39 (gerrit has one of those, which is beautiful) Mar 30 00:05:45 mikeleib: hmm? Mar 30 00:08:32 the text doesn't completely redraw or something Mar 30 00:08:38 notsure if it's due to w00t's patch Mar 30 00:09:03 can you take a photo? Mar 30 00:09:07 I might know what that is Mar 30 00:09:49 * mikeleib gives it a whirl Mar 30 00:14:25 * mikeleib tries to figure out how to send it to w00t_ Mar 30 00:14:36 email works, viroteck@viroteck.net Mar 30 00:14:43 or upload somewhere like imgur.com Mar 30 00:14:54 * mikeleib finds w00t_'s email from meego-dev Mar 30 00:16:03 a screencap flies through the intertubes Mar 30 00:16:17 mikeleib: think i know it indeed, sec Mar 30 00:16:18 if you scroll down in the list, it'll redraw and fix itself Mar 30 00:17:03 mikeleib: could be same as https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14266 Mar 30 00:17:06 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug 14266 nor, Medium, 1.1.90.8, viroteck, RESO FIXED, Font character glyphs go missing inside application after viewing dashboard Mar 30 00:18:13 mikeleib, attach photo in that bug report and ask if it is samecase Mar 30 00:18:48 or, better still, now i pointed you at the bug, check if you have the fix Mar 30 00:18:56 if you do, then it's obviously not the same cause Mar 30 00:20:13 hrm Mar 30 00:20:41 fwiw, I don't have it on an image built off trunk yesterday Mar 30 00:29:56 mikeleib: any luck? Mar 30 00:39:55 rustylynch: patch incoming shortly Mar 30 00:40:07 * mikeleib disappeared for a bit and is about to disappear again Mar 30 00:41:10 * mikeleib flees the scene Mar 30 00:45:42 rustylynch: filed as https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-qml-launcher/merge_requests/3 Mar 30 01:01:09 * rustylynch checks Mar 30 01:03:20 I think I might work on boosting next Mar 30 02:58:12 * gabrbedd does happy dance **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 30 02:59:57 2011