**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 30 02:59:57 2011 Mar 30 03:43:45 gabrbedd, ceering for the weekly release having tablet build? Mar 30 03:43:50 cheering even Mar 30 03:44:07 yes. :-) Mar 30 03:44:39 * gabrbedd would use an exclaimation mark with the yes... but the community stats accused him of shouting too much Mar 30 03:44:50 haha gabrbedd yea Mar 30 03:44:55 the stats show odd things Mar 30 03:45:06 * lcuk types a lot Mar 30 03:45:45 :-) Mar 30 03:45:47 gabrbedd, do you want a cat by the way? it has given me a really screwed up sleep pattern this week. Mar 30 03:46:10 I have long had a saying: The only good cat is a dead cat. Mar 30 03:46:26 So.... no, I don't want your cat. :-) Mar 30 03:47:46 * lcuk will post it to you when it expires Mar 30 03:47:58 at least someone will have a use for it! Mar 30 03:48:53 Well, I do like mu shu kitty Mar 30 03:56:13 does mic2 cache the files it downloads and uses? Mar 30 03:56:37 so that if you make a few various images with tweaks you do not need to redownload all content again? Mar 30 03:58:07 lcuk: I don't know about the default behavior. I usually set up a cache explicitly using the --cache option. Mar 30 03:59:03 Hi All, anybody knows, where can i see #meego IRC chat archives Mar 30 04:00:13 bkalinga, complete online searchable archive is in the /topic Mar 30 04:00:18 for reference: http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/ Mar 30 04:00:33 all the way back to day1 Mar 30 04:00:50 ok thanks... lcuk, Mar 30 04:01:17 DawnFoster, :D Mar 30 04:01:19 i am facing a problem..my mouse pointer not working inside qemu Mar 30 04:01:28 lcuk: ha! Mar 30 04:01:43 anyone faced same issue?? Mar 30 04:02:02 lcuk: hey - it's way late over there, why are you still awake? Or is it the lcuk bot :) Mar 30 04:02:47 lcuk is a machine ;) Mar 30 04:02:59 and good morning Mar 30 04:03:06 the other way round DawnFoster, I have screwed up sleep so trying to roll it round than being a zombie doing nothing Mar 30 04:03:28 I could either lie in bed trying to sleep, or learn about MIC2 stuff :) Mar 30 04:03:29 DawnFoster: His cat keeps waking him up. Know any good cat recipes? Mar 30 04:03:54 well, as a vegan, I'm not up on the latest cat recipes :) Mar 30 04:04:40 I opened and fixed a bug in about 3 minutes :$ Mar 30 04:04:47 :-) Mar 30 04:06:20 DawnFoster, those dishes you tweeted about sound delicious Mar 30 04:06:35 and opensauce really is a cool way to explain it! recipe sharing :D Mar 30 04:06:39 grrr Mar 30 04:06:44 thanks - those are my inventions Mar 30 04:06:45 * wmarone grumbles at B&N and Android as a whole Mar 30 04:06:57 I'm working on a cookbook :) Mar 30 04:06:59 DawnFoster, will they make it into 1.2? Mar 30 04:07:15 nothing like complying with the GPL by dropping a sloppily packaged tarball on your corporate webage Mar 30 04:07:17 definitely. the latest lentil features, Mar 30 04:07:37 well, it's almost bedtime over here on this side of the pond, so I'm going to curl up with some sci-fi printed on a dead tree. Mar 30 04:08:12 \o enjoy DawnFoster Mar 30 04:08:41 good night, DawnFoster! Mar 30 04:09:15 talk to you guys tomorrow! Mar 30 04:11:40 i m not able to move my mouse pointer inside qemu ..i m using 1.2 pre-release handset image Mar 30 04:11:50 timoph, \o morning. which the testing images, do you use the images created o different machine, or does each full testrunner make its own? Mar 30 04:11:51 any idea anybody Mar 30 04:12:18 bkalinga, is that a problem in your qemu or specific to the image you are using within Mar 30 04:12:42 i have not modified anything Mar 30 04:13:15 bkalinga: If you randomly click and drag and stuff... does it have any effect? By default, the mouse pointer is invisible in handset images. Mar 30 04:13:16 using meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.90.1.20110201.1-runtime Mar 30 04:13:32 bkalinga, when did it last work? Mar 30 04:13:49 when i was using 1.1 image Mar 30 04:14:12 i can see a mouse pointer inside qemu Mar 30 04:14:30 lcuk: we create our own images from daily testing. basically just adding tests and some configuration Mar 30 04:14:40 * timoph needs to catch the bus. bbl Mar 30 04:14:46 \o Mar 30 04:15:25 but when i move my host mouse pointer inside it then my host mouse pointer getting disappear but the pointer inside qemu is not getting move Mar 30 04:16:42 bkalinga, ok then perhaps simply file a bug, it sounds like something changed Mar 30 04:16:57 make sure you add info about it working on the 1.1 Mar 30 04:17:25 ok..let me cross..check again by taking a fresh copy of runtime Mar 30 04:17:41 thanks lcuk: Mar 30 04:18:24 and I missed it Mar 30 04:18:50 :O timoph Mar 30 04:19:59 well. next one goes by in 10 mins Mar 30 04:20:34 not so bad, are you stood at snowfilled bus-stop? Mar 30 04:20:37 lcuk: i midded one point actually when i took the 1.2 pre-release it worked that time..after that i tried to build some Input related packages with -g and removing -O2 afterwards i am seeing this problem Mar 30 04:20:47 midded* missed Mar 30 04:21:02 finnish spring.. -7 and a meter of snow :) Mar 30 04:21:13 bkalinga, ok so it is not a system regression, undo what you did and happy using mouse - then actually trace what you did :P Mar 30 04:21:35 right..let me do that Mar 30 04:22:09 timoph, do short people need to use a snorkle?! Mar 30 04:26:00 lcuk: if they go off road they might have to Mar 30 04:26:09 spring is cancelled Mar 30 04:27:18 How can I reflesh maemo onto my memory, unfortunately I made a 'dd' operation for that partition while trying to make a 'dd' with the meego image instead of the sd card ? Mar 30 04:28:46 oh thank you gedit. Deciding not to open any document really helps my day. Mar 30 04:29:33 giving you crapthat it can't decide which charset it is? Mar 30 04:29:47 no, just not opening a window at all Mar 30 04:29:50 even from console Mar 30 04:30:00 and thankfully there is no output Mar 30 04:30:00 lovely Mar 30 04:30:15 good morning Mar 30 04:30:50 dm8tbr, it started when ubuntu decided that .ks files are Java keystore files Mar 30 04:31:06 \o Mar 30 04:31:11 :) Mar 30 04:31:41 good moaning Mar 30 04:34:10 Is there any way to see the device as a Mass Storage over the USB cable like in case Maemo ? Mar 30 04:35:13 That would prolly be an easy way to re-flash maemo back because I made a 'dd' to the maemo partition with the meego image :p Mar 30 04:36:42 isn't there a rescue system you can load into memory using flasher that does exactly that? Mar 30 04:37:06 what do you mean ? Mar 30 04:38:38 btw, it is most likely a meego-arm (N900) question, thus I will ask there. Mar 30 04:42:38 djszapi, actually, since you mounted, then overwrote the contents of the Maemo partition (which is usually *not* touched at all) the only real fix is to reflash either maemo OS image, or both the maemo OS and maemo eMMC, but that depends which partition you overwrote. Mar 30 04:43:21 lcuk: I do know what I did :) Mar 30 04:43:38 an image reflash would surely help if I had a jtag etc. Mar 30 04:43:56 yes, so the only fix is to use the normal maemo flashing things? Mar 30 04:44:00 that is why I am asking whether I can avoid it and just use 'dd' again from the running yesterday meego image. Mar 30 04:44:15 if it saw the device as a mass storage, it should be an easy task Mar 30 04:44:31 * lcuk confused Mar 30 04:44:46 as usual :) Mar 30 04:44:59 I knew dd was powerful, but pulling data through a wormhole from yesterday is kindof awesome! Mar 30 04:46:03 well, the whole question is about that how to avoid the jtag image re-flashing without a running maemo. Mar 30 04:48:01 please answer on #meego-arm, if you would like, as far as it is a #meego-arm question Mar 30 04:49:04 isnt this more a maemo question ? Mar 30 04:49:40 seeing that you wrecked the maemo image and want to get it back ? Mar 30 05:18:55 good night, all! Mar 30 05:54:14 hahaha Mar 30 05:54:27 I have just been shown a little library from the good people in ##linux Mar 30 05:54:34 which has date manipulation functions Mar 30 05:54:55 I was talking about liqcalendar http://www.my-maemo.com/grafika/liqcalendar.jpg having day issues) Mar 30 05:55:38 the library they found is uber scientific, with calculations like: "a few hundred billion years with 1-second precision;" Mar 30 05:55:55 now IDK how long I would have to scroll to get past a few hundred billion years! Mar 30 05:57:22 the library is: http://cr.yp.to/libtai.html pretty awesome in itself :) Mar 30 06:27:13 working with qemu is very difficult as the response time to tooo high for any click.. Mar 30 06:27:26 any work around for this Mar 30 06:29:21 bkalinga, what are you running/testing? Mar 30 06:29:35 and do you not have a live real machine nearby you could get involved? Mar 30 06:30:05 Opening application launcher then choosing any application Mar 30 06:30:16 it takes 5-8 minutes Mar 30 06:30:38 or sometime more than that for SMS, EMAIL for example Mar 30 06:31:27 bkalinga, that is not my experience :S Mar 30 06:31:34 currently no real device to work with..till that time want to get indulge in qemu but too slow :( Mar 30 06:31:36 which image are you playing with? Mar 30 06:31:55 meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.90.1.20110201.1-runtime Mar 30 06:31:56 and what computer is this on, because qemu ran reasonably well last time I tried Mar 30 06:32:22 Ubuntu 10.04 Mar 30 06:32:43 on what metal though? Mar 30 06:32:52 * lcuk has ubuntu 10.04 on the testing machine also Mar 30 06:33:21 NVIDIA GFX with Ubuntu 10.04 as Host for the qemu Mar 30 06:36:35 lcuk: "what metal" u mean my processor details? Mar 30 06:39:42 bkalinga, yes, but the nvidia graphics and slowness is ringing true, I think it is that that is the issue Mar 30 06:39:50 I might be wrong though, do some digging Mar 30 06:40:38 i have 2core intel with cpu MHz : 2533.833 Mar 30 06:40:38 cache size : 4096 KB Mar 30 06:40:51 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU Mar 30 06:41:21 so this NVIDIA card might be the cause for the slowness Mar 30 06:43:02 glxinfo|grep renderer Mar 30 06:43:02 OpenGL renderer string: Quadro NVS 295/PCI/SSE2 Mar 30 06:52:35 bkalinga, check the other items on this page: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Graphics_Acceleration (I guess you are there already?) Mar 30 06:53:14 yeah these are pre-requisites and already met Mar 30 06:55:41 bkalinga, what version of qemu have you got installed? dpkg -l |grep qemu Mar 30 06:56:11 Hey lcuk: i found one good thing Mar 30 06:56:43 slow UI makes you think about every single individual transition frame? Mar 30 06:56:53 before i poweron the runtime(qemu) i need to sudo modprobe kvm_intel Mar 30 06:57:13 yes for every single individual transition frame it was taking time Mar 30 06:58:02 once i reboot my system it not loading these kvm related module . Mar 30 06:58:30 i just did lsmod | grep kvm: no out put Mar 30 06:58:42 then sudo modprobe kvm_intel Mar 30 06:58:43 bkalinga, qemu version? Mar 30 06:58:54 lsmod | grep kvm Mar 30 06:58:54 kvm_intel 39448 0 Mar 30 06:58:55 kvm 245253 1 kvm_intel Mar 30 06:59:05 and qemu worked like a charm Mar 30 06:59:18 how to check qemu version Mar 30 06:59:48 ii meego-qemu-ia32 4 Meego QEMU helper for MADDE Mar 30 06:59:48 ii qemu-gl 0.12.4+git8+10d9982-1 QEMU full system emulation binaries Mar 30 07:00:45 bkalinga, thanks :) Mar 30 07:01:12 this version is fine for working? Mar 30 07:01:14 the reason I ask, is that the MeeGo-Image-Builder tool expects higher version of qemu which is not yet available in ubuntu 10.04 Mar 30 07:01:23 bug 12121 Mar 30 07:01:26 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12121 nor, Undecided, ---, jarmo.kant, REOP, qemu: fatal: cp15 insn ee1d0f70 when building armv7hl image Mar 30 07:01:43 whilst not your issue, having you seemingly having random issue with qemu Mar 30 07:02:00 might be a reasonable time to also update qemu if you can find it to see if it fixes your issue Mar 30 07:02:17 sure Mar 30 07:02:36 * lcuk cannot find official version on ubuntu backports repo though Mar 30 07:02:44 I thought I did, but it is unofficial server Mar 30 07:02:49 * lcuk prefers official ones :$ Mar 30 07:03:05 hmm Mar 30 07:49:56 can someone help me in finding out why VKB is not working in my QEMU Mar 30 07:50:15 i remember it was working few days back Mar 30 07:55:28 bkalinga: is the uiserver running? Do the apps use the MInputContext? Can you see the apps communicating with the server? Mar 30 07:55:57 yes it is running... Mar 30 07:56:11 i am trying to open SMS and email from app launcher Mar 30 07:56:24 using handset 1.2 pre-release Mar 30 07:57:03 i tried killing uiserver and ran with -software still did not work Mar 30 07:57:15 "did not work" ? Mar 30 07:57:20 oh, ok Mar 30 07:57:32 start both the uiserver and apps from a terminal Mar 30 07:57:43 check that they start communicating Mar 30 07:58:11 ok let me do that Mar 30 08:00:12 jonnor: do i need to mention MInputContext anywhere? Mar 30 08:02:00 jonnor: i am not able to figure out whether they are communicating or not Mar 30 08:02:02 http://pastebin.com/zkMEaeyY Mar 30 08:02:22 pastebined the logs Mar 30 08:20:35 jonnor: http://pastebin.com/zkMEaeyY Mar 30 08:29:07 Is anyone there? Mar 30 08:37:31 hello Mar 30 08:37:57 is there a way for qml apps to rotate the vkb? in n900 DE Mar 30 08:49:05 so, since 1.2 is in code-freeze, this means new versions go into MeeGo trunk now? Mar 30 08:49:35 w.o.w.: please point me to the integration cycle overview for MeeGo :-) Mar 30 08:49:37 is it just my browser, or is gitorious online commenting broken? Mar 30 08:49:39 the mouse cursor turns into the hand while hovering a line number, but nothing happens when I click it Mar 30 08:49:51 mardy, known issue for too long commits Mar 30 08:49:56 mikhas: wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering Mar 30 08:49:58 gitorious disables inline commenting Mar 30 08:50:09 thanks! Mar 30 08:50:35 mikhas: thanks. But is this really too long? https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/accounts-glib/commit/214082dbc4495b812af6f33255be19f82db7e096 Mar 30 08:51:06 mardy, no - and I cannot comment either Mar 30 08:51:21 FWIW, gitorious had a black-out yesterday Mar 30 08:51:31 perhaps not fully recovered Mar 30 08:51:43 you can try writing to support@gitorious.org Mar 30 08:51:50 or you can send your message in a bottle Mar 30 08:52:01 both should have same effectiveness Mar 30 08:52:25 mikhas: I'll try the e-mail, thanks :-) Mar 30 09:09:45 vgrade, did you get round to making an image for atom + GMA500 for netbooks? Mar 30 10:00:56 iekku, hey, the bouncing around on bug 14266 Mar 30 10:00:58 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14266 nor, Medium, 1.1.90.8, viroteck, RESO FIXED, Font character glyphs go missing inside application after viewing dashboard Mar 30 10:01:10 lcuk, :D Mar 30 10:01:24 it was tested on a weekly image, but it was a weekly produced on the same day as todays daily Mar 30 10:02:04 but it is being retested anyway today Mar 30 10:02:15 because a related bug came in which might have same cause Mar 30 10:02:21 and needs verifying etc Mar 30 10:02:53 lcuk, ok. w00t_ said to me @meego-qa that test image didn't have fix Mar 30 10:03:51 well - not said, I assumed Mar 30 10:04:30 :D Mar 30 10:04:40 ok, let's see what happens Mar 30 10:05:00 what about checking Qt changelog in the tested image and make sure it contains the fix? Mar 30 10:05:13 it happens often Mar 30 10:05:34 QA reopen a bug but the fix isn't available in the tested image Mar 30 10:06:38 fabo: where's the fun in that? Mar 30 10:06:56 btw, is video calls supported on meego? Mar 30 10:06:59 fabo: I'm now trying to work out how to do that Mar 30 10:07:01 is / are Mar 30 10:07:19 timeless_w7ip: it kills ping-pong game on a bug :) Mar 30 10:07:33 fabo, :( Mar 30 10:07:46 * iekku needs to figure out other game then Mar 30 10:07:47 iekku: doubt it Mar 30 10:07:51 :P Mar 30 10:08:10 Stskeeps, there's bug filed for test cases missing for video call Mar 30 10:08:24 so need to find out if they are supported or not :D Mar 30 10:08:26 got a FEA#? Mar 30 10:08:28 fabo: yeah, that'd make bugs boring1 Mar 30 10:08:32 s/1/!/ Mar 30 10:08:33 timeless_w7ip meant: fabo: yeah, that'd make bugs boring! Mar 30 10:11:03 Stskeeps, found 2: bug 5161 and bug 5162 Mar 30 10:11:05 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5161 enh, Undecided, ---, mikhail.zabaluev, INDE, [FEA] VoIP/IM backend - Video call support for XMPP/Jingle Mar 30 10:11:08 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5162 enh, Undecided, ---, mikhail.zabaluev, INDE, [FEA] VoIP/IM backend - Video call support for SIP Mar 30 10:12:35 ok, so not suitable Mar 30 11:48:13 hi guys. Any word on the n950 release date? Mar 30 11:49:01 SymbianUser: #meego-bar for rumour discussion please :) there would be a nokia.com press release if there was any announcements Mar 30 11:49:03 rustylynch: did you get a chance to look at that patch btw? Mar 30 11:49:24 thx Mar 30 11:49:44 Stskeeps, rumours are not applicable anywhere really Mar 30 11:52:28 i was just so dissaponted by e7... Shit battery and camera. Was hoping n950 might be better Mar 30 11:52:33 mikhas: I couldn't attend the meeting yesterday, but claudio has already sent the irc log to me Mar 30 11:52:58 So wanted to know if i should wait Mar 30 11:53:18 KaL, np - I'll send the minutes out later today Mar 30 11:53:25 great Mar 30 11:53:40 mikhas: btw, do you have the new fancy VKB with self-composition anywhere? Mar 30 11:53:46 for meego rpm Mar 30 11:55:32 Stskeeps, the integrated MeeGo 1.2 versions have it Mar 30 11:55:37 really? Mar 30 11:55:38 meego-keyboard 0.5.32 Mar 30 11:55:40 yup Mar 30 11:55:40 in Trunk:Testing? Mar 30 11:56:02 in MeeGo 1.2 AFAIK, dunno about Trunk:Testing Mar 30 11:56:04 ok Mar 30 11:56:22 thought it was refused or something so Mar 30 11:56:35 well, it was a close call Mar 30 11:56:51 we had to put some weight behind it (from Nokia) ;-) Mar 30 11:57:04 heh, good to know that's still possible :P Mar 30 11:57:19 tablet UX people should have significant benefit from it too Mar 30 12:00:09 hmm Mar 30 12:00:17 at least from 1-2 days ago it seemed pretty slow Mar 30 12:00:31 though iirc that was built off T:T Mar 30 12:00:44 missing compositor updates? Mar 30 12:01:18 I put it down to vkb troubles, but I honestly don't know Mar 30 12:01:25 I haven't had time to look Mar 30 12:16:21 well, we have benchmarks in the meego-keyboard's test Mar 30 12:16:27 some even provide a nice summary Mar 30 12:17:19 on the N900, everything lower than 30FPS should be critical (rule of thumb), though from my experience we can get more than that there, too Mar 30 12:19:53 mikhas, with a great many things now thanks to the immense work, the issue for normal running is not fps but of startup lag and odd intra-application hiccups and that sort of feeling Mar 30 12:20:08 oh ok Mar 30 12:20:29 well, startup ... there is some work going on in that department Mar 30 12:21:14 intra-application, yeah well, currently any application using more than one X11 window could screw us over, I believe. Mar 30 12:21:18 mikhas, yeah its something that mostly effects other apps - the vkb is reasonably quick in coming up when needed :) Mar 30 12:21:43 and if intra-app means switching between different windows between different apps, yep, there might be sync issues Mar 30 12:22:15 MeeGo Touch was designed for only-one-X11-window-per-app Mar 30 12:22:23 I leave it to others to judge that. Mar 30 12:22:37 that is not unreasonable Mar 30 12:22:39 and MeeGo Touch was our first client :-) Mar 30 12:24:56 lcuk, Stskeeps - in our team's daily meeting we agreed to put more resources into VKB and MeeGo 1.2 Mar 30 12:25:07 (today) Mar 30 12:27:06 I know, a bit late for your taste. Mar 30 12:27:27 :) Mar 30 12:29:15 wow, i got 18 bugmails from meego Mar 30 12:29:24 i take it someone started actually looking at bugs.meego.com? :) Mar 30 12:53:19 timeless_office, sometimes, when I manage to chew through my 150+ internal bugmails, I do look at BMC, too ... Mar 30 12:53:41 you just need to train yourself not to get internal bugmail :) Mar 30 13:05:19 does anybody else have issues accessing build.meego.com ? Mar 30 13:05:39 not only you Mar 30 13:05:47 seems like it's a good time to leave from work Mar 30 13:05:47 :P Mar 30 13:05:54 :) Mar 30 13:06:51 or you could send bugs upstream Mar 30 13:07:00 it doesn't require access to build.m.c :) Mar 30 13:07:24 i have presentations to sort Mar 30 13:34:24 "session presenters: anonymous" Mar 30 13:38:02 anybody else have trouble with mic2 and yesterday's weekly build? For me it's crashing out when trying to copy timezone info inside the bootstrap. Mar 30 13:39:45 bug 15034 Mar 30 13:39:48 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15034 cri, Undecided, ---, yi.y.yang, NEW, MIC2 build fails with "KickstartError: Error copying timezone info: No such file or directory" Mar 30 13:47:39 csdb: ping Mar 30 13:47:58 Stskeeps: *g* ... which ? Mar 30 14:10:55 X-Fade: \o Mar 30 14:11:01 X-Fade: Come here often? Mar 30 14:12:23 gabrbedd: sec... Mar 30 14:13:22 gabrbedd: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14957 is the same bug, I think Mar 30 14:13:25 <_MeeeGoBot_> Bug 14957 nor, Undecided, ---, shuangquan.zhou, ASSI, zypp doesn't handle -package similarly than yum. Mar 30 14:13:39 tried --pkgmgr=yum? Mar 30 14:19:29 w00t_: That seems like a different issue. Mar 30 14:19:40 gabrbedd: try it Mar 30 14:19:51 it sounds different, but sage reported it after i had exactly your issue :) Mar 30 14:20:02 (and --pkgmgr=yum worked for me) Mar 30 14:20:08 w00t_: I'll give yum a try (why not?) -- but it'll be a few hours before I can give it a go. Mar 30 14:21:02 w00t_: I have noticed other oddness with `-packagename`, though. Mar 30 14:21:58 w00t_, gabrbedd: If you check the amount of packages installed and full log you can see that with zypp some packages are ignored Mar 30 14:25:42 Sage, w00t_ The trouble I was having with `-packagename` etc. is that packages in my 2nd repo wouldn't get installed. Mar 30 14:26:36 gabrbedd: -packagename only works when using yum backend and when no other package depends on that package. Mar 30 14:26:43 Sage: w00t_ E.g. I rebuild pulseaudio with jack support. When specifying explitly which versions to install... it fails saying it can't find the package. Mar 30 14:27:43 Sage: What's the default package manager for mic2? Mar 30 14:28:45 'cos I think i've seen `-packagename` work with whatever the default is. Mar 30 14:31:22 gabrbedd: zypp if it can find it Mar 30 14:49:00 Stskeeps, with a capital A? Mar 30 14:50:32 yes, but no profile :P Mar 30 14:50:36 no presenters listed Mar 30 14:51:05 Watch out for trolls in V masks. Mar 30 14:57:09 * w00t_ yawns Mar 30 15:40:45 is there a configuration file to specify more power options? like on lid event? Mar 30 15:50:04 sabotage: Mar 30 15:50:08 ~haveameegomeeting Mar 30 15:50:09 methinks haveameegomeeting is book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html Mar 30 15:50:52 Stskeeps: got it, thanks Mar 30 16:13:05 lbt, pong Mar 30 16:13:29 csdb: I resolved your bug Mar 30 16:13:36 providing you use debian 6 Mar 30 16:13:49 suse is 'tba' Mar 30 16:13:56 I saw the report. Mar 30 16:14:17 if you play with it please let me know Mar 30 16:14:18 I might give it a try on a Debian 6 VM - I have no HW with it Mar 30 16:14:51 I'll see if I can give it a go sometime next week. This week is impossible Mar 30 16:15:03 np Mar 30 16:15:23 is there anything particular about Debian 6 that it needs, or is it just the distro you're using atm ? Mar 30 16:15:40 nothing special - but it uses ruby Mar 30 16:15:52 so that has packaging issues on different distros Mar 30 16:16:11 we use debian on meego.com infra Mar 30 16:16:16 and suse in nokia Mar 30 16:16:23 hence the 2 Mar 30 16:16:27 what a distro salad ! Mar 30 16:16:45 not always something we can choose Mar 30 16:16:51 :) Mar 30 16:17:05 and we will have vendors using .deb based Mar 30 16:17:12 so it's good to do both Mar 30 16:17:46 agreed that its good to do both. Mar 30 16:17:47 * mikeleib waves to all the boys and girls of the world Mar 30 16:17:55 * lbt waves back Mar 30 16:17:58 hi mike Mar 30 16:18:05 hi lbt, thiago_home Mar 30 16:18:05 morn mikeleib Mar 30 16:18:27 but obs isn't available on debian (afaik). so there's not much choice on that one Mar 30 16:18:30 it's a friendly place. I should hang out here more often Mar 30 16:18:51 *g* Mar 30 16:19:09 csdb: no, but that's almost an appliance Mar 30 16:19:24 boss is about integration ... hence the thinking there Mar 30 16:19:48 lbt, which one is almost an appliance ? Mar 30 16:19:55 OBS Mar 30 16:20:15 it's usually a dedicated hardware/sw setup Mar 30 16:20:25 I guess - but you still need to know/train the admins enough on openSUSE. Mar 30 16:20:28 you're unlikely to run other services there Mar 30 16:20:44 well, that's the problem Mar 30 16:20:51 * Stskeeps votes for meego server edition Mar 30 16:20:54 its not turnkey Mar 30 16:20:59 we need to get the 'basic operations' sorted Mar 30 16:23:03 Stskeeps: sure... I have an AMD server... Mar 30 16:23:31 it seems to me that while the desktop is largely compatible across the distros, the server side is still "this distro works better for A", "that distro works better for B"... Mar 30 16:24:49 which makes people (manning the servers) have to be comfortable with various distros at the same time. Mar 30 16:25:10 * csdb keeps pushing back IT's request to run everything on RHEL5 which they like the most Mar 30 16:35:46 csdb, I worked on an app designed for debian (ubuntu). some of our clients leased RHEL servers. we ended up with ubuntu chroot running ssh daemon on the RHEL machine. both parties were happy. :) Mar 30 16:39:43 smoku, hmmm - yeah that would work. Kinda messy though. I prefer to ignore their advice - in-house it's easier to that than with external customers :-) Mar 30 16:41:53 smoku: I admit I don't do much server admin... but the chroot solution seems pretty drastic. What forced you to that? Dependencies? Mar 30 16:42:55 gabrbedd, yup. we were packaging our app in .deb and kept it in our own apt repository together with dependencies. Mar 30 16:43:02 i guess, because they didn't buy rhel subscription :P Mar 30 16:43:21 gabrbedd, and the debian packages were taking care of all the upgrades Mar 30 16:44:14 gabrbedd, see http://tomasz.sterna.tv/2009/01/how-to-deploy-python-applications-in-5-minutes/ Mar 30 16:49:32 smoku: OK. I'm an anal retentive developer... so I usually go the hard way by branching the project :-) Never thought to try something so pragmatically nasty. Mar 30 16:49:54 That is... "pragmatic but nasty" Mar 30 16:50:03 :-) Mar 30 16:52:35 gabrbedd, well... when we started the company CEO was like: We control the whole environment and can tall the client we support only X and if they want the product they need X. Go design something fast and bulletproof. Mar 30 16:54:03 gabrbedd, few months passed and we got: BTW, the client does not want Ubuntu LTS and has RHEL. And we need that sale. Think out something fast! Mar 30 16:57:01 smoku: Just to be clear... I'm actually impressed by your solution. Mar 30 16:57:50 sure. got it :) Mar 30 16:58:37 i've been through few startups, and have some stories ;-) Mar 30 17:31:59 hi Mar 30 17:35:19 hi Mar 30 17:48:30 hi all Mar 30 17:48:49 what netbook you recommend for meego? Mar 30 17:49:09 (between 250-300€) Mar 30 17:51:34 hi? Mar 30 17:54:09 * mikeleib has heard of people using acer aspires Mar 30 17:54:11 * mikeleib hasn't used one Mar 30 17:54:19 kashir: anything with an Atom will generally do Mar 30 17:54:22 [just interesting] Will MeeGo launch on Nokia Booklet 3G?... Mar 30 17:54:32 easier if you get one with intel graphics Mar 30 17:54:32 you want something with open source wifi drivers if possible Mar 30 17:54:39 xplt: who knows Mar 30 17:54:59 wmarone: mb, Nokia? :) Mar 30 17:55:18 xplt: nah, Nokia probably doesn't know Mar 30 17:55:22 xplt: you might have success with the EMGD drivers Mar 30 17:59:14 this is a good netbook for MeeGo? http://www.pccomponentes.com/asus_eeepc_1005pxd_n455_1gb_250gb_10_1__blanco.html Mar 30 18:23:46 kashir: That chipset is same as in lenovo s10-3t so I would think that it meego should work pretty nicely in it. Mar 30 18:24:02 :D Mar 30 18:24:04 thanks Mar 30 18:24:16 and wifi too? Mar 30 18:24:26 Personally I don't like the keyboard in asus eeepc so I would pass those :) Mar 30 18:26:00 You should google and check what wifi card they have in it. If it is atheros based chip it should work out of the box AFAIK, but with boardcom based chips you might need to install firmware manually (not sure if meego netbook provides it already or not) Mar 30 18:28:32 w00t_: I tried the --pkgmgr=yum thing. I didn't have time to let it finish... but it at least got past the point where it was crashing before. I'll let it run its course later this evening and update the bug report with the results (and mention the possible dup with the `-packagename` bug) Mar 30 18:28:36 At least the atheros chip in my lenovo s10-3t works out of the box. Mar 30 18:31:55 kashir: I agree with Sage. A bad wifi card is a real buzzkill. Known "bad" ones that are common include Broadcom (a little bad), RT3090 (a little more bad), and any 3DSP (game over). Mar 30 18:32:41 * Sage is happy that his lenovo s10-3t has atheros chip Mar 30 18:33:07 and how can ) know what is this netbook? Mar 30 18:34:35 gabrbedd: ok, nice Mar 30 18:35:09 * gabrbedd wishes his Lenovo S10-3t had an atheros... but alas it's the Broadcom. Mar 30 18:35:28 kashir: Ask the person selling it to you. Mar 30 18:35:56