**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 05 02:59:58 2011
Apr 05 03:13:32 * Alcunha oi swc|666
Apr 05 03:18:16 <iekku_> morning
Apr 05 03:27:04 <gabrbedd> howdy, iekku_!
Apr 05 03:31:55 <iekku> :)
Apr 05 03:55:26 <npm> is there a zypper command that tells you which repo a particular rpm comes from?
Apr 05 04:33:15 <Termana> morning
Apr 05 06:45:14 <timeless_w7ip> gabrbedd: splash screen art
Apr 05 06:45:20 <timeless_w7ip> hopefully it'll appear in a public repository
Apr 05 06:45:40 <timeless_w7ip> (yes, splash screens shouldn't be used, but having nothing appear for a long time is considerably worse)
Apr 05 07:05:26 <kyb3R> any news about the sf2011 approved sessions or timetable? According to conference page: "We expect to have a large subset of the presentations approved and scheduled by April 4th"?
Apr 05 07:06:01 <Stskeeps> yeah, that one should actually say 8th..
Apr 05 07:06:07 <kyb3R> ah, ok
Apr 05 07:06:18 <Stskeeps> the extension of the deadline moved things a bit
Apr 05 07:06:22 <kyb3R> ack
Apr 05 07:08:48 * timeless_w7ip considers letting people gather around a bikeshed
Apr 05 07:36:34 <singbird> hi
Apr 05 07:47:08 <timeless_w7ip> gabrbedd: http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/source/splash.jpg fwiw
Apr 05 07:54:47 <timeless_w7ip> oh, and most of what you see there is SVG, the exceptions are the fennec frames on the left/right and the two hands at the bottom
Apr 05 07:55:16 <timeless_w7ip> i.e. the 4 pictures of the surfer plus the surfer icon are all vectors :)
Apr 05 09:47:48 <lorp> hi
Apr 05 09:48:23 <lorp> lbt: when I follow the instructions here: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/WebUI_part_2
Apr 05 09:49:39 <lorp> and I try to branch the bash package from MeeGo:1.0:Core
Apr 05 09:53:14 <lbt> lorp: you need a source package to branch
Apr 05 09:53:41 <lbt> MeeGo:1.0:Core is a static build target...
Apr 05 09:53:51 <lbt> ie a snapshot of meego back then
Apr 05 09:54:15 <lbt> so you'd need to import the source somehow (grab the src rpm) and then just manage it on your own
Apr 05 09:54:39 <lorp> ok... on my local machine?
Apr 05 09:54:55 <lbt> not entirely
Apr 05 09:55:12 <lbt> say you want to tweak that bash
Apr 05 09:55:31 <lbt> you make a home:lorp package
Apr 05 09:55:32 <lbt> you grab the source on your desktop
Apr 05 09:55:44 <lbt> upload it to your OBS prj/pkg
Apr 05 09:55:58 <lbt> and build it against M:1.0:C
Apr 05 09:56:09 <lbt> then you may add a patch and change the spec
Apr 05 09:56:13 <lbt> and rebuild it
Apr 05 09:58:36 <lorp> ah, ok. To upload the package do I need to do "add new package" in the web interface?
Apr 05 09:58:43 <lbt> yes
Apr 05 09:58:45 <lbt> hint
Apr 05 09:58:51 <lbt> make a subproject too
Apr 05 09:59:05 <lorp> ok
Apr 05 09:59:17 <lbt> you wouldn't put a .c and makefile into $HOME ....
Apr 05 09:59:34 <lorp> sure
Apr 05 10:00:05 <lorp> I thought that using "Create new package based on existing package" would branch the package for me into my local home
Apr 05 10:02:29 <lorp> but you are saying that I need to get the source myself, for example from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.99.0.20110330.3/repos/oss/source/ ?
Apr 05 10:02:54 <lorp> or from git somewhere...
Apr 05 10:28:18 <lbt> lorp: back ... but yes
Apr 05 10:28:29 <lbt> you said you wanted to branch :1.0
Apr 05 10:28:32 <lbt> you can't
Apr 05 10:28:54 <lbt> you can branch a Trunk package from core though
Apr 05 10:53:03 <Sage> anaZ: it seems that there are duplicated package groups/patterns: meego-ivi vs meego-ivi-x, meego-netbook vs meego-netbook-x, meego-handset vs meego-handset-x or is that intentional?
Apr 05 10:56:08 <Sage> anaZ: also should meego-handset-x be enough for handset images or does those need also meego-minimal-x or meego-base-x?
Apr 05 11:18:01 <anaZ> Sage: I am working on the patterns right now
Apr 05 11:18:04 <anaZ> major overhaul
Apr 05 11:18:15 <Sage> ok
Apr 05 11:18:37 <Sage> anaZ: not sure if you have seen this https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15001
Apr 05 11:18:39 <MeeGoBot> Bug 15001 nor, Undecided, ---, prajwal.karur.mohan, ASSI, "MeeGo Tablet" package group content
Apr 05 12:30:08 <Chaz6> Hi there, I would like to request that the maintainer of the devel:enterprise repo please rebuild the freerdp package because it requires an obsolete version of libcrypto.so
Apr 05 12:30:49 <thiago> Chaz6: bugs.meego.com
Apr 05 12:32:24 <leinir> dwmw2_dad: that looks to be you... unless you're dwmw2's dad as your nick might imply... in which case, please poke your offspring ;)
Apr 05 12:59:42 <dwmw2_dad> Chaz6: rebuilt
Apr 05 13:17:51 <jnwi> If you want to start a MeeGo-related project and try to get people to sign up, is it ok to use wiki.meego.com for your own purposes?
Apr 05 13:18:39 <Chaz6> Brilliant thanks very much :)
Apr 05 13:22:05 <andre__> jnwi, how do you plan to use the wiki? for creating docu etc probably yes
Apr 05 13:23:25 <jnwi> initially for getting people to sign up for tasks and presenting the project, then docu if we don't move somewhere else
Apr 05 14:02:01 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: ping?
Apr 05 14:05:48 <thiago> X-Fade: still a bit early here in the West Coast
Apr 05 14:06:11 <X-Fade> thiago: Yeah, I know. But you never know ;)
Apr 05 14:23:28 <DawnFoster> X-Fade: I'm here :)
Apr 05 14:23:36 <DawnFoster> barely awake, but here
Apr 05 14:23:54 <thiago> DawnFoster: what time do you arrive?
Apr 05 14:24:21 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: The hotel reservations for conference only go from sun to thursday. But the warmup is earlier.
Apr 05 14:24:43 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: so it would make more sense to extend the hotel reservation options from friday to friday or so.
Apr 05 14:25:01 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: The days I wanted to enter :)
Apr 05 14:27:12 <DawnFoster> looks like you can register in the Hyatt starting on Friday
Apr 05 14:27:26 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: Ah, I went for the cheap option :)
Apr 05 14:28:07 <DawnFoster> room blocks in hotels are a pain because if people don't use them, we still pay for them.
Apr 05 14:28:29 <DawnFoster> I'm guessing that we went with the cheap option & only did one hotel for the warm up :)
Apr 05 14:28:37 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: yes, but this forces me to go externally and thus you don't fill your blocks either :(
Apr 05 14:29:31 <DawnFoster> yeah, well you can probably book one of our options starting on Sunday & call the hotel to see if you can book a couple days before, too
Apr 05 14:29:57 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: Yeah, I guess. But not sure many people will do that.
Apr 05 14:30:50 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: Just wanted to let you know what I observed. I don't have a clear solution for it either.
Apr 05 14:31:03 <DawnFoster> thanks for letting me know.
Apr 05 14:31:13 <DawnFoster> It's always hard to find the right balance
Apr 05 14:31:43 <X-Fade> I guess that a lot of people will come to do some sight seeing in the weekend.
Apr 05 14:32:19 <X-Fade> *come early
Apr 05 14:39:16 <toggles_> and often
Apr 05 14:41:43 <thiago> DawnFoster: btw, I did bring one dark chocolate bar for you. Do you want it?
Apr 05 14:43:13 <DawnFoster> thiago: ha! well, I can't turn it down now :)
Apr 05 15:10:16 <TheBootroo> hello
Apr 05 15:11:05 <TheBootroo> i've got an idea for the Unified MeeGo UX (for Handsets and Tablets) and i've done some stuff using QtCreator to show you, the forum thread i've just created is here : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=19855#post19855
Apr 05 15:12:58 <TheBootroo> nobody here ?
Apr 05 15:18:44 * mikeleib` is here
Apr 05 15:18:48 * mikeleib` reads
Apr 05 15:19:15 * mikeleib` can't comment
Apr 05 15:28:03 <TheBootroo> mikeleib: why can't you comment
Apr 05 15:29:17 * mikeleib 's opinion is not meaningful or sanctioned
Apr 05 15:30:59 <timeless_mbp> lbt / ericlr: i found out why bugs.meego.com isn't trusted by my browser
Apr 05 15:31:08 <timeless_mbp> you guys are annoying and actually browse the web with your web browsers :)
Apr 05 15:31:30 <timeless_mbp> i don't, which means i've never visited a properly configured secure web server with a 'godaddy' intermediate CA root
Apr 05 15:31:41 <timeless_mbp> but you have, so you've collected that CA into your session
Apr 05 15:32:07 <timeless_mbp> thus when I visit bugs.meego.com which is incorrectly configured and doesn't send a certificate chain, i get a cert which doesn't chain to anything i trust
Apr 05 15:32:33 <timeless_mbp> but when you visit it, you get a cert which chains to godaddy which your browser has already established as trusted earlier while you were browsing
Apr 05 15:33:37 <sigma6> TheBootroo: numbering the apps pages is a idea I would support
Apr 05 15:34:24 <TheBootroo> and the most important : the fixed dock that goes to the side of th screen when rotates ?
Apr 05 15:34:32 <naofumivv> X-Fade: Could you give me the access right to build.meego.com? I would like to setup local OBS for building MeeGo distribution. My account name is "naofumivv". Thank you in advance!
Apr 05 15:35:46 <TheBootroo> because i would not like having a phone like the isux or the andro*d or winsuxphone7 with many buttons on the front so i need buttons in the ux for going to switcher, panels, menu, lock...
Apr 05 15:37:00 <TheBootroo> i like the home button in maemo 5 which avoids the need of a physical menu button
Apr 05 15:37:13 <TheBootroo> we need that in meego unified ux
Apr 05 15:59:24 <wansors> Hi guys, I just open an exoPC with meego pre-alpha 1.2
Apr 05 15:59:56 <wansors> I'm wondering how to install applications, is there any yum/apt tutorial to install some repositories?
Apr 05 16:51:09 <DawnFoster> Reminder: Meego Events meeting starts in #meego-meeting in 10 minutes. http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Meetings
Apr 05 16:52:56 <thiago> since I'm here, why not
Apr 05 16:53:15 * thiago was quite confused about Amy's email yesterday about "meeting tomorrow April 4th"
Apr 05 16:53:46 * Stskeeps 's around for once too
Apr 05 16:54:24 <gabrbedd> are y'all at a conference or something?
Apr 05 16:55:15 <Stskeeps> gabrbedd: nah, usually i do polish classes at this hour
Apr 05 16:56:28 <gabrbedd> Stskeeps: well, I've heard some chatter between thiago and DawnFoster that make me think they're at a conf. or something
Apr 05 16:56:48 <DawnFoster> Linux Foundation Collab Summit in SF this week
Apr 05 16:56:54 <DawnFoster> I fly down later this afternoon
Apr 05 16:57:06 <DawnFoster> We have a whole MeeGo day on Thursday
Apr 05 16:57:30 <gabrbedd> DawnFoster: Cool!  Thanks!
Apr 05 17:35:41 <Stskeeps> thiago, seems dirk has uploaded his votes btw
Apr 05 17:36:36 <thiago> Stskeeps: to the interface or spreadsheet?
Apr 05 17:36:45 <Stskeeps> interface
Apr 05 17:37:48 * thiago prefers the spreadsheet, since he can easily re-sort
Apr 05 17:38:51 <thiago> let me see how to write a script to upload
Apr 05 17:39:37 <Stskeeps> well, guess you can make it easy by xls export (i think it includes total votes), add yours in and send the ranked list to us
Apr 05 17:39:56 <Stskeeps> ah damn, no total votes there
Apr 05 17:44:01 <timeless_mbp> in case people are wondering, i've finally spent a bit of time figuring out why mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/* doesn't work well
Apr 05 17:44:06 <timeless_mbp> i should be able to fix it tomorrow
Apr 05 17:48:58 <dneary> X-Fade, Ping?
Apr 05 17:49:15 <thiago> looks like each entry has a token in the webpage
Apr 05 17:49:25 <thiago> I probably won't be able to make a script to upload
Apr 05 17:50:14 <Stskeeps> yeah, i just opeend the sorted by ID spreadsheet and clicked them
Apr 05 17:53:06 <thiago> lots of monkey work...
Apr 05 17:53:15 <Stskeeps> took me ~30 min
Apr 05 17:55:07 <special> also
Apr 05 17:55:11 <special> ..wrong channel.
Apr 05 17:57:26 <thiago> Stskeeps: did you mean that we can't download the ranked list from the website?
Apr 05 17:58:27 <Stskeeps> seems so
Apr 05 18:00:40 <thiago> do you have your votes in a spreadsheet?
Apr 05 18:02:57 <Stskeeps> mm, only had them temporarily
Apr 05 18:03:14 <Stskeeps> you can do > >= things in the session moderation though
Apr 05 18:07:38 <thiago> I'll send my votes in the interface then
Apr 05 18:07:40 <thiago> later today
Apr 05 18:07:56 <Stskeeps> k
Apr 05 18:11:53 * timeless_xchat randomly pokes lbt
Apr 05 18:14:20 * lbt escalates to a prod
Apr 05 18:48:46 <timeless_xchat> ok
Apr 05 18:49:09 <timeless_xchat> mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/* should now work
Apr 05 18:49:27 <timeless_xchat> if people have problems loading source files in there, please yell at me
Apr 05 18:56:49 <Stskeeps> arjan: thinking wayland re EGL_NOK_image_shared?
Apr 05 18:58:43 <Stskeeps> (in that bugfix it's just used as an indicator that 'oh, this is the nokia branch of the sgx drivers', though)
Apr 05 19:00:30 <gabrbedd> Stskeeps: what /is/ it?
Apr 05 19:01:08 <gabrbedd> Erm... nevermind.
Apr 05 19:01:11 <gabrbedd> :-)
Apr 05 19:01:25 <Stskeeps> gabrbedd: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/663 gives a fair bit of a clue
Apr 05 19:04:09 <gabrbedd> Stskeeps: thanks
Apr 05 19:08:01 <thiago> sharing of images is extremely important for performance
Apr 05 19:08:06 <thiago> and for scene graph
Apr 05 19:08:08 <lbt> For discussion in #meego-bar : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/news/telecom/Nokias-open-letter-to-developers/articleshow/7873434.cms  "You will hear more from us on MeeGo in coming months. "
Apr 05 19:09:41 <timeless_xchat> hi gabrbedd
Apr 05 19:12:23 <gabrbedd> timeless_xchat: Howdy
Apr 05 19:14:27 <gabrbedd> timeless_xchat: Didja see that I pointed someone to MXR yesterday?  :-)
Apr 05 19:19:54 <timeless_xchat> i probably missed it, but thanks :)
Apr 05 19:20:02 <timeless_xchat> mxr should be a bit better now
Apr 05 19:20:14 <timeless_xchat> i'm improving it every couple of days
Apr 05 19:20:27 <timeless_xchat> i have one minor performance fix live
Apr 05 19:20:59 <timeless_xchat> and a feature written on a second mxr which i'll probably add tomorrow
Apr 05 19:25:13 <mikhas_> heya rustylynch - is the image in bug 15245 an official one?
Apr 05 19:25:16 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15245 nor, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, meego-im-uiserver segfault on request to show input method
Apr 05 19:27:25 <rustylynch> mikhas... define official?
Apr 05 19:27:52 <mikhas_> well, is that the image used for tablet UX?
Apr 05 19:27:55 <mikhas_> or a custom build?
Apr 05 19:28:09 * mikhas_ hasn't looked into tablet UX yet
Apr 05 19:28:28 <mikhas_> well, I did ... once maybe ;-)
Apr 05 19:28:38 <rustylynch> this specific image hasn't been published yet since it hasn't passed basic acceptance testing (of which this bug blocks), but you can install a daily image and get the same results
Apr 05 19:28:55 <mikhas_> right, perhaps you should clarify that on the bug then
Apr 05 19:29:15 <rustylynch> ok
Apr 05 19:29:41 <mikhas_> I am reluctant to provide a workaround here, but given that Qt releases are probably very rare in MeeGo land I see no real choice
Apr 05 19:33:44 <rustylynch> mikhas_: i'm nervous that we hit this because we are in a fundamentally screwed up state, and a work around will just expose the next hole in the dam
Apr 05 19:34:40 <mikhas_> rustylynch, are you willing to help with testing?
Apr 05 19:34:46 <rustylynch> yes
Apr 05 19:34:49 <mikhas_> I could cook up a workaround in 2h or so
Apr 05 19:34:56 <mikhas_> maybe less time
Apr 05 19:34:59 <rustylynch> ok
Apr 05 19:35:15 <mikhas_> (not familiar with the code, but kinda see the issue at hand)
Apr 05 19:35:18 <rustylynch> i'm going to dart off to grab some food before the cafe closes... but will be back
Apr 05 19:35:25 <mikhas_> ok, cool
Apr 05 19:35:42 <mikhas_> (I am equally nervous)
Apr 05 19:46:40 <mikhas_> we could also disable the whole reactionmap feature ... it's a configure flag for the virtual keyboard
Apr 05 20:20:06 * arjan wonders if there's tumbler / tracker folks on this channel
Apr 05 20:26:49 <Ans5i> arjan: they have own channel somewhere afaik.
Apr 05 20:31:48 <rustylynch> mikhas_: i don't even think that reactionmaps does anything in meego
Apr 05 20:32:13 <rustylynch> unless something happened since i last looked at it, you needed some kind of proprietary backend
Apr 05 20:32:19 <npm> rpm -qa | wc -l ==> 1337
Apr 05 20:32:28 <npm> my system is trying to tell me something
Apr 05 20:32:30 <npm> :-)
Apr 05 20:33:20 <mikhas_> rustylynch, yeah, expected as much ...
Apr 05 20:33:44 <mikhas_> rustylynch, anyhow - uploaded patch
Apr 05 20:33:54 <rustylynch> if cutting off that rotting appendage works around this crasher... they i say do it :->
Apr 05 20:34:13 <rustylynch> your home obs project?  or the bug report?
Apr 05 20:34:24 <npm> see PS: to http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-April/482503.html re "1337" packages :-)
Apr 05 20:34:25 <mikhas_> have no home obs yet
Apr 05 20:34:37 <mikhas_> only uploaded patch to bug report, sorry
Apr 05 20:34:43 <rustylynch> ok
Apr 05 20:35:02 <mikhas_> rustylynch, the reaction maps are actually a nice feature - the response time is amazing
Apr 05 20:35:23 <mikhas_> will prepare alternate patch to disable it for meego-keyboard
Apr 05 20:35:37 <mikhas_> it's more fail-safe
Apr 05 20:36:15 <mikhas_> but yeah, rotting in the sense of "useless right now" - noted
Apr 05 20:36:20 <mikhas_> I will bring that issue forward
Apr 05 20:36:41 <mikhas_> if you already know of a bug report regarding that .. ;-)
Apr 05 20:37:02 <rustylynch> you only uploaded a patch to the changelog, which would be a neat trick if it fixes the bug
Apr 05 20:37:08 <mikhas_> did I?
Apr 05 20:37:09 <mikhas_> damn
Apr 05 20:37:30 <mikhas_> rustylynch, https://bugs.meego.com/attachment.cgi?id=5311 looks legit to me?
Apr 05 20:38:04 <mikhas_> I separated changelog from patch .. habits
Apr 05 20:38:31 <mikhas_> rustylynch, you were using meego-keyboard 0.5.32?
Apr 05 20:38:57 * rustylynch looks
Apr 05 20:39:12 <rustylynch> yea
Apr 05 20:39:49 <mikhas_> ok, thanks
Apr 05 20:46:29 <rustylynch> mikhas_: which package is this for?
Apr 05 20:46:58 <rustylynch> nevermind.. i see it in the changelog
Apr 05 20:47:07 <mikhas_> ah right, sorry
Apr 05 20:48:01 <rustylynch> actually... i guess the debian name doesn't match
Apr 05 20:48:23 <rustylynch> is this for meegotouch-feedbackreactionmaps?
Apr 05 20:48:26 <mikhas_> not entirely, no
Apr 05 20:48:36 <mikhas_> that is the repo name at gitorios, so yes
Apr 05 20:48:44 <mikhas_> *gitorious, even
Apr 05 20:49:20 * mikhas_ dislikes the meegotouch prefix
Apr 05 20:49:23 <rustylynch> that's the only package installed on the system with the name *reactionmaps*
Apr 05 20:49:38 <rustylynch> so i'm guessing i'm working on the correct package
Apr 05 20:50:45 <mikhas_> rustylynch, I guessed the version number from bug 13768
Apr 05 20:50:48 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13768 nor, Undecided, ---, miroslav.safr, VERI FIXED, Update meegotouch-feedback (0.10.6) and meegotouch-feedbackreactionmaps (0.14.1.8)
Apr 05 20:50:59 <mikhas_> package name is indeed meegotouch-feedbackreactionmaps
Apr 05 20:51:59 <rustylynch> looks like a bunch of stuff on the server is building... waiting for a new meetotouch-feedback-devel and others
Apr 05 20:52:15 <mikhas_> hm
Apr 05 20:52:29 <rustylynch> shouldn't be too long
Apr 05 20:52:32 * mikhas_ continues with axing reactionmaps from meego-keyboard
Apr 05 20:53:22 <mikhas_> gah, dont have the spec file in the repo itself
Apr 05 20:53:32 <mikhas_> only the debian packaging stuff
Apr 05 21:24:13 <mikhas_> rustylynch, filed bug 15336 which has patches to completely disable reaction maps for keyboard
Apr 05 21:24:15 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15336 nor, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, Disable reaction maps for meegotouch-inputmethodkeyboard
Apr 05 21:24:32 <mikhas_> but someone else needs to put the qmake change into the spec file
Apr 05 21:24:49 <mikhas_> happy testing ;-)
Apr 05 21:25:09 <mikhas_> I hope that one or the other solution overcomes the integration barrier
Apr 05 21:30:33 <rustylynch> ok
Apr 05 21:30:53 <rustylynch> btw... there was a qt update that triggered the universe to rebuild
Apr 05 21:31:09 <w00t_> hooray, Qt updates
Apr 05 21:31:10 <w00t_> :-)
Apr 05 21:31:22 <rustylynch> looks like it was just a small patch
Apr 05 21:31:46 <rustylynch> unlike the qt 4.7.2 that ruined my week
Apr 05 21:32:38 <w00t_> what would life be if everything just worked? ;)
Apr 05 21:33:27 <rustylynch> well... at least now i finally have my code public, so i don't have to just sit and take it when a meego update breaks me
Apr 05 21:44:47 <mikhas_> rustylynch, please inform araujo if one of the workarounds proves to be successful - he usually integrates MeeGo Input Methods stuff. me goes now
Apr 05 21:45:25 <rustylynch> mikhas_: ok
Apr 05 21:46:38 <gabrbedd> Stskeeps: Have you heard anything new regarding Handset UX vs. Tablet UX?
Apr 05 21:46:51 * gabrbedd is still confused on the direction....
Apr 05 22:15:47 <rustylynch> so far the reactionmaps patch is working
Apr 05 22:26:53 <rustylynch> araujo: mikhas_'s fix seems to be working... on my 20th reboot and haven't crashed yet
Apr 05 22:27:08 * rustylynch makes a note in the bug report
Apr 05 22:31:01 <rustylynch> araujo: should i sr my home:rusty/meegotouch-feedbackreactionmaps to some place?
Apr 05 22:38:21 <rustylynch> araujo, mikhas_, i just sr'ed the crasher workaround into devel:qt-mtf
Apr 05 23:03:13 <timeless_w7ip> could someone please remind dneary that he owes me a ping :)
Apr 05 23:39:16 <gabrbedd> dmeary: timeless_w7ip sez you owe him a ping.  :-P
Apr 06 00:09:48 <MrBIOS> anybody around?
Apr 06 00:10:17 <gabrbedd> no
Apr 06 00:10:21 <gabrbedd> :-p
Apr 06 00:17:43 <MrBIOS> is mobilin fully dead? Why doesn't the website say it's dead?
Apr 06 00:17:48 <MrBIOS> moblin
Apr 06 00:18:47 <berndhs> dunno, maybe ask in #moblin
Apr 06 00:18:53 <MrBIOS> nobody alive in thgere
Apr 06 00:19:17 <gabrbedd> MrBIOS: Yes, it's dead.
Apr 06 00:19:27 <MrBIOS> okay, well, the website doesn't say that
Apr 06 00:19:58 <gabrbedd> There might be some maint. things happen -- but it's dead.
Apr 06 00:20:00 <MrBIOS> and the login/registration system is completely broken
Apr 06 00:20:35 <gabrbedd> For example, the top 3 news items on front page talk about the transfer to MeeGo
Apr 06 00:20:43 <gabrbedd> And their last release was in 2009
Apr 06 00:20:45 <MrBIOS> yes, I see it
Apr 06 00:21:46 <gabrbedd> All their web pages, including bugzilla, also point to MeeGo.
Apr 06 00:22:18 <gabrbedd> So, unlike Maemo... Moblin is really dead.
Apr 06 00:23:34 <MrBIOS> I read something on the moblin site about the core bits being based atop Fedora (or at least utilizing rpm package format) Is that still the case?
Apr 06 00:23:40 <MrBIOS> (with MeeGo)
Apr 06 00:24:19 <berndhs> meego is its own distro
Apr 06 00:24:30 <berndhs> not on top of anything
Apr 06 00:27:32 <gabrbedd> MrBIOS: Yeah, what berndhs said!
Apr 06 00:28:05 <gabrbedd> It's still RPM-based... but these days the infrastructure bears more resemblance to OpenSuSe than Fedora.
Apr 06 00:28:17 <gabrbedd> However, it does not use /any/ packages from /any/ other distro.
Apr 06 00:41:35 <MrBIOS> gabrbedd, got it, thanks. Are things like libc atom-optimized?
Apr 06 00:41:43 <MrBIOS> glibc
Apr 06 00:42:32 <gabrbedd> MrBIOS: As far as compiler flags... they're /supposed/ to be.  However, there was a lot of push-back about that.
Apr 06 00:42:48 <MrBIOS> which version of compiler is in use?
Apr 06 00:43:06 <gabrbedd> MrBIOS: So, things like glibc might /not/ be... in order for devs to be able to compile packages on their non-SSSE3 host machine.
Apr 06 00:43:27 <gabrbedd> gcc 4.4, I think.  Look in repo.meego.org to verify.
Apr 06 00:43:57 <MrBIOS> 4.4? Atom-specific GCC optimizations weren't introduced  until 4.5.1 AFAIK
Apr 06 00:44:03 <thiago> we're using 4.5
Apr 06 00:44:10 <thiago> since 1.1 I think
Apr 06 00:44:45 <MrBIOS> got it, and is it clear whether or not atom-specific optimization flags are being used in 1.1?
Apr 06 00:45:11 <thiago> it's clear: code is compiled with SSSE3
Apr 06 00:45:21 <thiago> whether the compiler makes use of them or not, that's a different thing
Apr 06 00:45:40 <MrBIOS> are the flags used documented somewhere? In a build script in svn/git, by chance?
Apr 06 00:45:50 <thiago> echo $CFLAGS
Apr 06 00:46:01 <thiago> so it's somewhere in /etc (probably /etc/profile)
Apr 06 00:46:16 <MrBIOS> I don't have an install handy
Apr 06 00:46:26 <w00t_> OBS can probably tell you
Apr 06 00:46:32 <w00t_> I have no idea how to get OBS to tell you though
Apr 06 00:50:46 <gabrbedd> MrBIOS: OBS (which builds all official packages) is definately setting the flags.
Apr 06 00:50:59 <gabrbedd> MrBIOS: You can verify by reviewing the build logs at build.meego.com
Apr 06 00:51:08 <MrBIOS> cool, thanks
Apr 06 00:51:23 <gabrbedd> MrBIOS: On an actual installation... it's not quite so clear that the flag is getting set properly.
Apr 06 00:51:36 <gabrbedd> For my packages, I manually set it in /etc/rpmrc or something.
Apr 06 00:53:53 <MrBIOS> thanks, this helps clarify things for me: http://build.meego.com/package/files?package=glibc&project=MeeGo%3A1.1%3ACore
Apr 06 00:57:06 <rustylynch> MrBIOS: i think you might rather look at Trunk unless you have a good reason to look at 1.1: http://build.meego.com/package/files?package=glibc&project=Trunk
Apr 06 00:57:27 <rustylynch> not that i know what's different in our glibc package
Apr 06 00:58:26 <thiago> probably just the compiler flags
Apr 06 00:58:43 <thiago> though I do remember that glibc has some compile-time options for assembly code
Apr 06 00:58:55 <thiago> I don't remember if it does runtime-detection for things like memcpy
Apr 06 01:00:03 <gabrbedd> MrBios: Here's the latest glibc build log http://build.meego.com/package/rawlog?arch=i586&package=glibc&project=Trunk&repository=standard
Apr 06 01:00:23 <gabrbedd> + CFLAGS='-O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Wformat-security -m32 -march=core2 -mssse3  -mtune=atom -mfpmath=sse -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -fno-omit-frame-pointer'
Apr 06 01:00:23 <gabrbedd> + export CFLAGS
Apr 06 01:02:05 <MrBIOS> has anybody experimented with creating 64 bit x86 builds?
Apr 06 01:02:06 <thiago> -fexceptions for C?
Apr 06 01:02:17 <MrBIOS> I'm fine with trunk
Apr 06 01:02:25 <MrBIOS> are there any nightly core image builds?
Apr 06 01:06:37 <gabrbedd> thiago: TFM for -fexceptions... However, you may need
Apr 06 01:06:37 <gabrbedd>            to enable this option when compiling C code that needs to interoperate properly with exception
Apr 06 01:06:37 <gabrbedd>            handlers written in C++.
Apr 06 01:07:20 <gabrbedd> MrBIOS: I haven't heard of anyone doing 64 bit builds, and there are no plans to do it with MeeGo.
Apr 06 01:07:25 <MrBIOS> *nod*
Apr 06 01:07:41 <MrBIOS> I figured, we may just do them in-house :)
Apr 06 01:07:46 <gabrbedd> MrBIOS: Although... I've been curious to try a 64-bit build on an atom... so if you do it, tell people about it. :-)
Apr 06 01:09:17 <MrBIOS> I will, I work for a company that makes a 256-node Atom N570-based server appliance, which is x86_64 capable
Apr 06 01:10:33 <gabrbedd> MrBIOS: Interesting!  What's the advantage of using Atom over something like an i-series?
Apr 06 01:10:44 <MrBIOS> performance/watt, mostly
Apr 06 01:12:32 <w00t_> and now, for some late night comedic relief: http://lolpics.se/13696-with-her-spoon
Apr 06 02:29:27 <user__> heyo
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