**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 06 02:59:58 2011 Apr 06 03:20:12 morning Apr 06 04:15:20 grr hate android's custom build system Apr 06 04:54:36 morn wassupnari Apr 06 04:55:11 oh, hi :) Apr 06 04:55:20 how is it going? Apr 06 04:55:33 good good, how are you? Apr 06 04:56:05 i'm currently working om meego multi-touch on 1.1.99 tablet UI Apr 06 04:56:30 does meego support multi-touch on 1.1.99 version? Apr 06 04:57:12 right, let me summarize the situation there. Provided you have a kernel driver that speaks the multitouch protocol in kernel to xorg-x11-drv-mtev, then Qt should be able to pick it up Apr 06 04:57:31 problem is just that Qt on ARM is temporarily disabling xinput2 because we had a problem with single touch Apr 06 04:57:44 this is getting fixed still, needed coordination since the problem existed on Intel too Apr 06 04:58:16 wassupnari: What hardware are you using? Apr 06 04:58:42 NVIDIA, tegra chip, we using. Apr 06 04:58:48 wassupnari: http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/qt-mtf:/qt-xi2/Trunk/ is Qt packages that has xinput2 enabled Apr 06 04:59:37 i'm pretty confused about the architecture of Qt and xinput2. Apr 06 04:59:43 right Apr 06 05:00:13 the chain goes along the lines of: kernel driver -> xorg-x11-drv-mtev -> xorg (xinput2) -> qt Apr 06 05:00:17 wassupnari: Good! That means you're paying attention. :-) Apr 06 05:01:12 BTW, is xorg-x11-drv-mtev is an interrim solution Apr 06 05:01:43 gabrbedd: thiago sent a mail long ago on the direction.. things aren't perfect in meego 1.2 but at least they're working :P Apr 06 05:01:50 there was something about xorg release schedules Apr 06 05:01:59 if you see the architecture here : http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture/meego-architecture-layer-view Apr 06 05:02:26 Yeah... the version of Xorg we use doesn't officially have XInput2... Apr 06 05:02:34 Qt which you mentioned is on core OS or application framework? Apr 06 05:02:35 It's being added in the /next/ version of Xorg. Apr 06 05:02:57 wassupnari: qt's part of the core OS.. the architecture drawings are currently not very informative :) Apr 06 05:03:01 However... MeeGo has added in the XInput2 protocol to get MT off the ground. Apr 06 05:03:11 okay Apr 06 05:03:39 so, the Qt in Core OS is depending on the CPU architecture, am i right? Apr 06 05:04:16 wassupnari: Huh? Apr 06 05:05:18 wassupnari: well, everything is compiled for a cpu architecture :) anyway, you need to get the package 'xorg-x11-utils-xinput' Apr 06 05:05:29 and get 'xinput test-xi2' working Apr 06 05:05:48 when that seems to give proper output from your touchscreen, it should be possible to get MT in Qt too Apr 06 05:06:06 okay, i'll try it Apr 06 05:06:29 and verify that the mtev xorg driver is in use Apr 06 05:07:15 wassupnari: FYI, to enable MT for my touch screen I had to... Apr 06 05:07:39 1) Get the kernel driver. In my case I had to backport it from Linus's branch Apr 06 05:08:23 2) Install xorg-x11-drv-mtev Apr 06 05:09:01 3) Add a a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to map my device to the mtev driver Apr 06 05:09:39 There's probably a file with a name like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/60-cando-mtev.conf that you can use as an example. Apr 06 05:10:29 i already done 1,2,3. :) thax though Apr 06 05:12:39 wassupnari: we hope to have qt built for xinput2 by default by next weekly image Apr 06 05:12:49 (for ARM) Apr 06 05:14:44 we're basically waiting for xorg-x11-drv-evdev to be approved for Trunk:Testing and a kernel change on Intel's IVI stuff to go in, so we don't break anything Apr 06 05:16:19 okay, i see. hm.. can i ask a question? Apr 06 05:16:46 always Apr 06 05:17:00 before i install the newly released Qt package, I had tested something.. Apr 06 05:17:30 if i run the "xinput test" with evdev driver, and touch the screen Apr 06 05:18:06 there are press/release and touch coordinates are shown, Apr 06 05:18:43 but if i run the xinput test with mtev driver, then touch coordinates are shown, but press/release messages aren't Apr 06 05:19:38 is that common result? or i have some problem with device driver and xorg-mtev driver? Apr 06 05:19:57 i think that's how it's supposed to work, but i don't have a mtev device nearby Apr 06 05:20:35 than means you don't have touch device for testing the mtev driver? Apr 06 05:20:48 i have one, but i'm in denmark right now ;) Apr 06 05:20:52 so don't have it along Apr 06 05:21:01 oh, i see Apr 06 05:22:30 and do you know what the 'multipointtouchplugin' is related to? Apr 06 05:23:08 obsolete old thing, now integrated into qt Apr 06 05:23:58 okay, that make me clear :) Apr 06 05:31:22 I've got one... I can check. Apr 06 05:46:09 wassupnari: running `xinput test-xi2` ... Apr 06 05:46:16 I see some button stuff... Apr 06 05:46:49 But the big deal is that valuators: shows 5 parameters for each finger that is touching the screen. Apr 06 05:47:42 gabrbedd : can you see the press/release event too? Apr 06 05:48:21 You mean with `xinput test 11` ?? Yes. Apr 06 05:48:56 And with 5 parameters per finger. Apr 06 05:49:20 are you testing with evdev or mtev? Apr 06 05:49:32 mtev Apr 06 05:49:43 Cando 10.1 on Ideapad Apr 06 05:50:35 could you share that kernel driver source code? :) Apr 06 05:50:43 please? :) Apr 06 05:52:19 What touchscreen device do you have? Apr 06 05:53:05 The driver I have isn't for Cando... it's for a "Hanvon 10.1" Apr 06 05:53:46 i have atmel_maxtouch and i'm just trying to compare with mine :) Apr 06 05:53:55 Anyway, the hid-multitouch driver was posted here http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-kernel/2011-March/002344.html Apr 06 05:54:15 wassupnari: i think we have a mtev enabled atmel_maxtouch in one of the meego kernels Apr 06 05:54:25 That's the "title page" -- first of 9 messages Apr 06 05:54:49 okay, Apr 06 05:56:07 good night guys... :-) Apr 06 05:56:17 BTW, Stskeeps -- you rock. :-) Apr 06 05:56:26 Stskeeps : do you know where is it? Apr 06 05:56:41 gabrbedd : good night! Apr 06 06:01:03 http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-kernel@lists.meego.com/msg00639.html this one? Apr 06 06:01:48 yeah, i think so Apr 06 06:08:44 Is the "hl" version quite different from other "l" version ? Apr 06 06:09:14 its hard Apr 06 06:09:16 Couldn't the compilar flags just be implemented also in the "l" version ? Apr 06 06:09:21 instead of just the "hl" version ? Apr 06 06:09:44 * compiler *just in the "hl" verison Apr 06 06:09:47 * version, ahh typos. Apr 06 06:10:03 developers would not be forced to use the "hl" only. Apr 06 06:10:31 not sure what you are asking Apr 06 06:10:32 xD Apr 06 06:10:51 but yes, the 'l' is soft fp, hl, is hardfp Apr 06 06:11:05 recompiled everything, also some stuff didnt work with just recompiling, Apr 06 06:11:54 Stskeeps had to patch a lot of stuff, there are reports about it on the mail list I believe, or there was a meego bug with the progress Apr 06 06:13:17 bef0rd: :) Apr 06 06:13:22 I am too vague this morning :p Apr 06 06:13:49 CXXFLAGS is set properly in the "hl" version, the most important part for me is the target. Apr 06 06:14:11 bef0rd: but I would like to have that feature if it is possible with the "l" image, not sure it is possible in the soft image. Apr 06 06:14:20 not sure what the obstacle is. Apr 06 06:14:48 bef0rd: that way I could avoid a bugreport against the "hl" :) Apr 06 06:23:17 Stskeeps: uhh Apr 06 06:23:27 I cannot get any call, nor even with the opened dialer. Apr 06 06:23:37 it worked last week :-S Apr 06 06:23:55 I thought it was going to be better :o Apr 06 06:24:01 not worse. Apr 06 08:03:28 I find it interesting that there are no release blockers for MeeGo 1.2 Apr 06 08:11:16 jukkaeklund: you'd rather 100? Apr 06 08:12:15 timeless_w7ip: it looks like there are no blockers defined, so there can't be any number. this is worrying Apr 06 08:12:51 ie. what is the metric that defines when MeeGo 1.2 is releasable? Apr 06 08:14:14 for a time based release Apr 06 08:14:20 i'd hope it's always releasable :) Apr 06 08:14:41 there are some proposals though: https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&query_format=advanced&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=MeeGo_Release_Blocker Apr 06 08:53:26 hi everyone Apr 06 08:53:31 hi Apr 06 09:15:42 Stskeeps: can you tell me briefly why cannot the CXXFALGS be implemented in the soft image and whether there is any drawback of using the hard image for application development ? Apr 06 09:26:36 pohly: i m caught up with exams the whole of this week, so will test out the kwallet thing in GNOME this weekend.. basically last when i had gnome it was like when in gnome Apr 06 09:26:50 and when compiled with both kwallet and gnome-keyring Apr 06 09:26:59 it will choose gnome-keyring Apr 06 09:27:17 if in kde, it chose kwallet Apr 06 09:27:40 actually when in kde , it goes for kwallet , anywhere else gnome-keyring Apr 06 09:28:16 saidinesh5: I'd like to know whether the corresponding issue shall be considered resolved before reviewing the actual code. Think of it as setting the right expectations :-) Apr 06 09:28:30 From what you said, it looks like it is resolved. Apr 06 09:28:40 well but from what is requested over there Apr 06 09:28:48 a command line argument Apr 06 09:28:50 saidinesh5: best of luck with the exams Apr 06 09:28:51 i didnt think of that Apr 06 09:28:56 thanks CosmoHill :) Apr 06 09:29:21 Agreed, not all of it. But the automatism should be good enough in practice for SyncEvolution 1.2. Apr 06 09:29:23 I have 2 at the end of may / start of june Apr 06 09:29:44 hmm.. sure :) Apr 06 09:30:38 and then, also I cannot verify the working of kde-notes (kjots syncing) because Ovi apparently gives a Local error with syncevo still Apr 06 09:30:58 and mobical doesn't seem to accept syncevo anymore Apr 06 09:31:06 i might have lost the password though Apr 06 09:32:25 CosmoHill: start of june? well I ll give you your good luck then :) Apr 06 09:32:45 can I have a bit up front to use on my coursework? :p Apr 06 09:33:04 hehe, sure, good luck :) Apr 06 09:33:46 pohly: another quick question, we have openobex as one of our dependancies right? and when i checked the openobex project, it has support for USB too.. so why doesn't syncevo support usb? Apr 06 09:34:14 merci Apr 06 09:35:10 Oh , i should have given bon chance then :P Apr 06 09:35:11 :) Apr 06 09:36:40 saidinesh5: because we don't have code which detects USB devices, initializes communication, etc. Feel free to add it ;-} Apr 06 09:37:00 OBEX setup is different for USB and Bluetooth. Apr 06 09:38:45 Ahh... obextransportagent.h and cpp ? Apr 06 09:40:48 grr Apr 06 09:40:51 anyone from it around? Apr 06 09:41:00 my box seems to be missing network connectivity :( Apr 06 09:45:42 timeless_w7ip: wifi or ethernet? Apr 06 09:47:51 cosmohill: OSU hosted service Apr 06 09:48:05 i presume it doesn't have wifi :) Apr 06 09:48:15 it=information technology, not Italy :) Apr 06 09:48:30 I was gonna make a joke about it being IT and not it Apr 06 09:50:49 * timeless_w7ip isn't really up for it Apr 06 09:51:11 * CosmoHill wonders if that was a pun Apr 06 09:54:37 heya, I cannot upload a PDF to the MeeGo wiki Apr 06 09:57:16 heh, disabling JavaScript did the trick Apr 06 09:57:31 lol Apr 06 10:29:00 * timeless_w7ip pokes andre__ Apr 06 10:29:13 andre__: so, i think someone needs to write up something for meegons explaining how to send bugs to upstream Apr 06 10:29:29 timeless_w7ip, file a bug about community processes and assign it to me Apr 06 10:29:32 because so far the bugs which belong upstream are getting prioritized as "low" and i expect them to be lost+forgotten Apr 06 10:29:34 ok Apr 06 10:29:50 I've seen some bad examples too when it came to translations (e.g. banshee) Apr 06 10:30:01 ouch Apr 06 10:30:28 andre__: i'm basically filling bugs.meego w/ a bunch of bugs so people can learn how to get this right Apr 06 10:30:35 but... someone will have to hold people's hands Apr 06 10:30:46 CC me Apr 06 10:38:40 andre__: there are 36 bugs Apr 06 10:38:50 and someone got "Clever" and removed change several bugs at once Apr 06 10:39:02 i'm not going to manually cc you to 36 bugs :( Apr 06 10:39:33 timeless_w7ip, then send me the buglist.cgi for them Apr 06 10:39:44 ok Apr 06 10:39:52 https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&classification=MeeGo%20Platform&reporter=timeless@gmail.com Apr 06 10:40:20 => andre__ :) Apr 06 10:40:59 timeless_w7ip, err, they are *all* meant for upstream? Apr 06 10:41:16 well, a couple migt not be Apr 06 10:41:25 s/gt/ght/ Apr 06 10:41:25 timeless_w7ip meant: well, a couple might not be Apr 06 10:41:43 andre__: my hope is that we can teach QA/Maintainers how to work w/ upstream Apr 06 10:41:52 i'm not asking *you* to send them to upstream Apr 06 10:41:57 I see... Apr 06 10:42:00 why would you file bugs about upstream issues in a distro, and not just file them upstream Apr 06 10:42:10 but if we're a downstream, then we need to be able to report bugs upstream when we get them Apr 06 10:42:24 jonnor: for trackability of the fix in downstream? Apr 06 10:42:40 like when the fix was shipped in the distro according to TM and such Apr 06 10:42:54 jonnor: note that debian and ubuntu also track bugs as a downstream Apr 06 10:42:57 i believe redhat does too Apr 06 10:43:05 this is standard behavior for a "proper distro" Apr 06 10:43:11 I agree Apr 06 10:43:17 andre__: if it is important enough, sure, create a tracking bug for it Apr 06 10:43:34 but in my opinion, you do that after you've files the bug upstream Apr 06 10:43:46 in the cases where you know its an upstream issue Apr 06 10:43:50 jonnor: if you *know* that it's an upstream issue, maybe. Apr 06 10:43:53 ah. heh :) Apr 06 10:43:54 jonnor: users can't be expected to have any idea where upstream is Apr 06 10:44:01 or how to know that it is indeed coming from upstream Apr 06 10:44:12 well, code level issues are not really user land I'd say Apr 06 10:44:15 remember, part of being a distro is making an absolute mess of upstream Apr 06 10:44:38 it should be about helping upstream Apr 06 10:45:05 right, and part of helping upstream is for downstream maintainers to be in the habit of working with upstream Apr 06 10:45:12 including reporting bugs to it and sending patches Apr 06 10:45:46 I don't see how overloading maintainers with bugs that you know are upstream issues is a good approach for that Apr 06 10:46:01 i don't think 3 bugs for a maintainer is "overloading" Apr 06 10:46:27 and if a maintainer is maintaining 100 packages, he's doing something wrong and asking for trouble Apr 06 10:46:36 and it's better for him to understand that *early* Apr 06 10:46:45 instead of for the problem to be discovered later Apr 06 10:46:59 * timeless_w7ip simulates average load Apr 06 10:47:26 and note, that i really am not in a position to know if a bug exists in upstream Apr 06 10:47:32 and i certainly have no idea where upstream is Apr 06 10:47:49 if you ship it, you're responsible for it Apr 06 10:48:09 if you ship a binary to me, then under most open source licenses, it's job to offer the sources to me, not your upstream Apr 06 10:48:37 similarly, if you ship a to me, then it's your job to handle bug reports that are generated as a result of that Apr 06 10:49:29 in practice, my experience is that Ubuntu, Debian and other distros that default to just-file-it-here is that they never manage with the workload, and that the quality of the work they do degrades because of that Apr 06 10:49:39 * timeless_w7ip shrugs Apr 06 10:49:45 Ubuntu has 50000 bugs in new state for instance. Untriaged bugs... Apr 06 10:49:48 meego should try to do better ;-) Apr 06 10:50:59 jonnor: so Ubuntu's process is broken. That's their problem though, and I don't want the times back when the bug reports by Ubuntu users went upstream by default, as most of them were crap Apr 06 10:52:45 andre__: Meego is a very different distro from Ubuntu though. I do not expect end-users of Meego to file much bugs, I expect the vendors, ISVs et.c. to do that Apr 06 10:55:50 time will tell. Apr 06 11:06:28 if one really wants to fix upstream<->downstream cooperation we'd first need proper distributed bugtracking tools Apr 06 11:07:48 jonnor, if you want to wait for world peace... yes, everything could be more perfect Apr 06 11:10:37 World peace is a tad harder. Apr 06 11:11:05 Launchpad already has some of it basically-working. Apr 06 11:29:09 jonnor: I agree, e.g. when it comes to tracking equivalent tickets in other bug databases Launchpad is pretty perfect :) Apr 06 12:00:05 morning Apr 06 12:03:03 morning Apr 06 12:03:25 morn amjad Apr 06 12:03:36 morn Stskeeps Apr 06 14:27:09 hi rustylynch, does the meego-im-uiserver process run with -use-self-composition on tablet UX already? Apr 06 14:34:32 dawnfoster: are any of the IT people around? Apr 06 14:34:34 * timeless_mbp frowns Apr 06 14:37:44 always Apr 06 14:38:00 lbt: i can't reach the jump box Apr 06 14:38:08 it must be earthshatteringly important Apr 06 14:38:42 me neither... we're screwed Apr 06 14:38:53 oh wait... Apr 06 14:39:03 * lbt has secrit entrance Apr 06 14:40:50 can you raise a useful ticket about the fact that the semi secret entrance is down? Apr 06 14:43:35 working on it Apr 06 14:45:19 thanks Apr 06 14:45:23 mikhas: I don't think so Apr 06 14:45:35 at least on my image from some days ago, it's quite slow Apr 06 15:26:34 timeless_mbp: lbt there is an #osuosl channel, and the guys there are usually responsive Apr 06 15:27:03 ok.. Apr 06 15:28:11 mikeleib: thanks - looks like a VM problem Apr 06 16:38:20 DawnFoster: ping Apr 06 16:38:37 hey lbt Apr 06 16:39:24 we're talking about marketing and websites Apr 06 16:39:33 and allocation of ssl IPs Apr 06 16:41:06 so we're saying that (www.)meego.com and sf2011.meego.com will have dedicated IPs Apr 06 16:41:29 this means they'll be visible to windows XP users using IE Apr 06 16:41:32 can't count on SNI? Apr 06 16:44:10 sorry DawnFoster, also arguing on call :) Apr 06 16:44:34 I think www and sf2011 are 'important' and deserve special support Apr 06 16:45:04 Are Mike & Adam on that call? Apr 06 16:45:17 lbt: anything that has auth.. Apr 06 16:45:20 yes Apr 06 16:45:41 lbt: I'll defer to the 2 of them :) Apr 06 16:46:08 OK .. no logins for sf2011 from windows XP Apr 06 16:46:19 * thiago wants that HDTV Blu-Ray microwave washing machine Apr 06 16:47:18 microwave washing machine? Apr 06 16:48:15 jim zemlin has just admitted that their idea of what the next breakthrough device may be a little off... Apr 06 16:49:57 thiago: before and after? Apr 06 16:50:58 * thiago is sitting at the collaboration summit and watching the introduction by jim zemlin Apr 06 16:51:19 thiago: am I the only one associating "breakthrough device" with "crowbar"? Apr 06 16:52:03 andre: could be Apr 06 16:52:07 hopefully the live stream will have the audio fixed soon, keeps going up/down, like someone is working on it, not audio heard since it started, anyhow football time for me, have fun those in SF :) Apr 06 16:55:48 breakthrough device..... "Heeeeeeere's Johnny!!!" Apr 06 16:56:16 * thiago uses the stickers that dawn gave him to transform his MeeGo 2010 shirt to a MeeGo SF 2011 one Apr 06 16:56:31 thiago: nice! Apr 06 17:10:02 auke - bonus points for the futurama reference in the last mailing list post :) Apr 06 17:10:17 Good news everyone Apr 06 17:11:36 ? Apr 06 17:11:50 :P Apr 06 17:12:06 apparently, it's secret good news :) Apr 06 17:12:12 yep Apr 06 17:13:14 but its for everyone, whether they know it or not Apr 06 17:13:36 beats bad news anyway :) Apr 06 17:13:50 I for one feel better now Apr 06 17:14:13 good news: thiago just saved 15% on his car insurance by switch to GEICO Apr 06 17:15:41 sofar: yeah for bad behaving robots :/ Apr 06 17:15:51 futurama reference, c'mon guys Apr 06 17:15:53 sofar: though in that case it'd have been helpful to still publish the password Apr 06 17:17:36 well, futurama was renewed for a new season, wasn't it? Apr 06 17:17:40 even without audio, I can tell the bunch of guys sitting there are confident Apr 06 17:18:02 we got a delivery to the nude beach planet? Apr 06 17:18:51 timoph: it usually goes like "Good news everyone. We have to make a delivery of an armed nuclear bomb to this black hole guarded by a nasty bug race" Apr 06 17:19:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_J._Farnsworth#Characterizations Apr 06 17:20:56 thiago: yeah Apr 06 17:21:13 * timoph is a huge futurama fan Apr 06 17:21:17 DawnFoster: new season coming, I wish I still had comedy central! Apr 06 17:21:44 suspending laptop, cya guys later Apr 06 17:22:05 cya Apr 06 17:57:11 timoph, only humorless intellectuals aren't. :P Apr 06 17:57:53 thiago, the movies were mostly terrible. Apr 06 17:59:39 :D Apr 06 18:00:40 I liked the fist movie. especially the beginning with all the fox references Apr 06 18:01:01 erm. first Apr 06 18:13:39 mikha, no, we are not doing anything to add -use-self-composition. Also... with all the latest updates from Trunk:Testing i'm not seeing this anymore Apr 06 18:24:24 is ConnMan better than NetworkManager? Apr 06 18:25:52 fo sho Apr 06 18:26:38 Venemo: yes Apr 06 18:26:46 kinda subjective though Apr 06 18:26:47 timoph, they can't help themselves from dipping into politics, though. Apr 06 18:26:52 I can ask Marcel if you want Apr 06 18:26:58 Which makes the Green episodes insufferable. Apr 06 18:28:21 thiago, I found this, which sheds some bad light on it: http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/06/25/networkmanager-and-connman/ Apr 06 18:28:40 none of them is good, ICD2++ Apr 06 18:28:40 :P Apr 06 18:28:52 oh, right Apr 06 18:29:09 the same one that requires a reboot of the system every now and then because it will try to associate the (null) interface with my wifi Apr 06 18:29:15 probably, yeah ;) Apr 06 18:29:19 at least that bug is fixed in Harmattan Apr 06 18:29:34 the problem with NM is that it's a very big mess Apr 06 18:29:39 connman is designed to be simple Apr 06 18:34:07 gabrbedd: http://wiki.meego.com/Core_OS_Program/Kernel_policy Apr 06 18:36:23 Newsflash: NM developers say NM is better than everyone else. Apr 06 18:36:33 Stskeeps: Thanks. I've mostly been reading the 1.1 compliance doc. Apr 06 18:38:10 There was also talk about +/- 2 kernel versions on ML's... Apr 06 18:38:36 omg twitter proves useful (on meego netbook home) telling me the audio is working on collab summit Apr 06 18:42:00 * gabrbedd wonders if we'll get a 1.1 compliance spec some time before 1.2 is released... Apr 06 18:42:13 will MeeGo 1.2 have /run ? Apr 06 18:43:23 CosmoHill: not yet Apr 06 18:43:27 we'll likely do it for 1.3 Apr 06 18:43:31 cool Apr 06 18:43:32 it's not a big deal per se Apr 06 18:44:08 when is meego 1.2 coming out, later this month right? Apr 06 18:46:58 we're slightly behind; probably a few weeks delayed Apr 06 18:47:14 gabrbedd: gleixner is talking about RT right now.... Apr 06 18:47:15 CosmoHill: What is /run ? Apr 06 18:47:28 gabrbedd: move /var/run to /run so that /var is more read only Apr 06 18:47:31 npm: argh! Wish I could watch! Apr 06 18:47:45 i'm watching right now Apr 06 18:47:49 gabrbedd: http://lwn.net/Articles/436012/ Apr 06 18:47:51 arjan\: Thanks! Apr 06 18:47:52 via internet Apr 06 18:48:16 npm: long story. I'll have to catch the talk later. Apr 06 18:48:22 arjan\: would be good to update release plans then, didn't know we had postponed release Apr 06 18:48:36 it's not very clear yet Apr 06 18:48:38 ok... sorry. Apr 06 18:48:40 alright Apr 06 18:48:47 Stskeeps: this is me looking at current stability/reality Apr 06 18:49:02 if things go much faster than I think in the next 3 weeks... Apr 06 18:49:32 what level is hurting, UX, hardware adaptations, core? Apr 06 18:50:39 core is relatively ok; Apr 06 18:50:44 but things like qtmobility and such are a bit behind Apr 06 18:50:52 :nod: Apr 06 18:51:03 we cut out some problem areas with the arch announcements but we can't cut qtmobility to save time ;-) Apr 06 18:51:49 arjan\: have any releases been shipped or tested w/ connman 0.72... not sure if core is ok Apr 06 18:51:52 and I'm sure the UX guys can use a handful of weeks Apr 06 18:52:53 we're at 0.69 right now Apr 06 18:52:56 my latest update allows me to apply less voodoo to keep the network stable, but i see no releases with it shipping.... Apr 06 18:53:01 and will not move forward if that gives instability Apr 06 18:53:11 and even then, 0.72 just gives a whole new set of bugs that are less severe Apr 06 18:53:47 i wouldn't so much mind a delay if that means that there's a compliance document out for 1.2 at release Apr 06 18:54:29 of course, that might be a long delay then ;) Apr 06 18:55:08 we're at 0.69 right now ==> "core is not ok" Apr 06 18:55:23 why is 0.69 not ok ;) Apr 06 18:55:34 npm: BMC#'s? Apr 06 18:55:35 and if connman is the only core problem I'll cheer. Apr 06 18:55:37 static IP doesn't work Apr 06 18:55:51 I have so many static IPs on my phone or tablet ;-) Apr 06 18:56:01 sure I am not saying there are no bugs Apr 06 18:56:10 but if that is the worst bug in the core.... I'll take it any day. Apr 06 18:56:12 well that's the issue. i want static ip on my netbook at home Apr 06 18:56:16 we have 3 weeks ;-) Apr 06 18:56:24 and it's never tested, so issues persist Apr 06 18:56:43 if it's not tested, poke the QA people Apr 06 18:56:48 here i'll give some bmc's Apr 06 18:56:50 they're not doing their job then Apr 06 18:56:52 one sec Apr 06 18:57:04 arjan\: npm I'll take a non-crashing mcompositor over static IP's... just my preference. :-p Apr 06 18:59:10 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9007 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7529 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11083 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5202 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13653 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13780 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13778 Apr 06 18:59:13 Bug 9007 nor, High, ---, martin.xu, NEED, [REG]network notification pop up about every 5 minutes Apr 06 18:59:15 Bug 7529 nor, High, 1.1, ying.an.deng, RELE FIXED, [REG]network notification pop up about every 5 minutes Apr 06 18:59:17 Bug 11083 maj, Medium, ---, jimmy.huang, NEW, [REG] "Ethernet/Wifi is not available" in Control Panel Apr 06 18:59:19 Bug 5202 enh, Low, ---, martin.xu, ASSI, Connman deletes the (2nd) static IP while renewing DHCP lease Apr 06 18:59:21 Bug 13653 nor, Medium, 1.3, sameo, ASSI, ConnMan applet disconnect does not disconnect ipv6 Apr 06 19:00:35 https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13778#c34 indicates connman > 0.71 fixes .... but still keep testing same old code and bugs Apr 06 19:02:01 one more: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14822 Apr 06 19:02:03 Bug 14822 nor, Medium, ---, martin.xu, ASSI, [REG]Wifi list will refresh in few minutes Apr 06 19:06:06 gabrbedd: I don't think the people fixing connman are the same ones who work on mcompositor Apr 06 19:08:08 * timeless_w7ip sure hopes not Apr 06 19:10:45 berndhs: You never know. :-) Apr 06 19:13:35 Stskeeps: Do you know if there have been any advances on the mdecorator thing in the past week? (It's been about that long since sync'ing with a daily build) Apr 06 19:14:19 gabrbedd: not the right person to ask about that.. but let me look Apr 06 19:15:08 Stskeeps: I just figured you'd know since you're also in the middle of the Tablet/Handset confusion. Apr 06 19:15:41 gabrbedd: well, technically nothing stops you from just removing the decorator_removal.patch Apr 06 19:16:03 there's no comments so i can't see the exact reasons for ripping it out even of mcompositor support Apr 06 19:16:43 i am almost willing to be it has something to deal with the double window issue, that it happens when mdecorator isn't running.. Apr 06 19:16:47 be=bet Apr 06 19:18:24 Stskeeps: Thanks. Double-window issue? Apr 06 19:19:07 bug 8268 Apr 06 19:19:10 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8268 nor, High, ---, ext-alexandr.ivanov, REOP, Double thumbnail windows display when launching the xterm. Apr 06 19:19:16 as in, it actually doesn't fullscreen things.. Apr 06 19:19:48 mcompositor had a bit of a fail with "oh, we need to run qt apps? who wants to do that anyway?" Apr 06 19:19:51 :P Apr 06 19:21:03 Stskeeps: ok... yeah, I think that patch is causing that issue. Apr 06 19:21:43 or the code it's removing is the cause :) Apr 06 19:22:22 Well, I get that issue with the Tablet UX and the Handset UX (after Tablet UX was released) Apr 06 19:22:39 But the day before... I was getting decorators and fullscreen and everything I wanted. :-) Apr 06 20:53:36 DawnFoster: Happy birthday! :-) Apr 06 20:53:58 gabrbedd: thanks! Apr 06 20:54:54 * w00t_ throws a box of chocolates at DawnFoster Apr 06 20:55:22 thanks w00t_ - I did already have some vegan chocolate cake :) Apr 06 20:55:38 no such thing as too much chocolate, I always say... Apr 06 21:03:42 gabrbedd: you'll be sad to hear that a guy from meyersound labs is talking.... Apr 06 21:08:04 "all nontravelling circque du soleil shows are using linux" Apr 06 21:08:16