**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 18 02:59:57 2011
Apr 18 03:42:01 <iekku> good morning
Apr 18 03:45:42 <berndhs> evening
Apr 18 04:47:03 <pixelgeek_> good night!
Apr 18 04:47:17 <Stskeeps> nite
Apr 18 04:51:36 <timoph> morning
Apr 18 06:05:51 <Aard> win goto #opensuse-buildservice
Apr 18 06:07:29 <Stskeeps> what, wp7 support in OBS? ;p
Apr 18 06:08:18 <Aard> no, aard trying to use irssi on n900 while waiting for bus from airport
Apr 18 06:08:45 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 18 06:44:07 <poutsi> Myrtti, was it you who said that there were some problems with facebook integration on the tablet?
Apr 18 07:25:33 <lbt> dm8tbr: ouch - so zypper up .... doesn't :)   At least now we know
Apr 18 07:27:47 <Myrtti> poutsi yes
Apr 18 07:31:31 <dm8tbr> lbt: well I didn't investigate why it failed...
Apr 18 07:31:38 <dm8tbr> x11 came up tho
Apr 18 07:33:34 <lbt> dm8tbr: what would be useful is a way to access the machine at init time
Apr 18 07:34:15 <lbt> I suspect a USB keyb and the EFI would allow a kernel command line to have 'debug single' added
Apr 18 07:34:46 <dm8tbr> if you manage to press the magic button to interrupt the syslinux loader quick enough
Apr 18 07:35:02 <lbt> on mine the bios is easy to interrupt
Apr 18 07:35:08 <lbt> and get to the EFI loader
Apr 18 07:35:16 <lbt> even with touch
Apr 18 07:35:23 <dm8tbr> does that allow you to get to the kernel cmdline?
Apr 18 07:35:31 <lbt> EFI should
Apr 18 07:35:43 <lbt> but it'll need a keyb
Apr 18 07:35:48 <dm8tbr> yep
Apr 18 07:35:53 <lbt> it's a lot like Joggler I guess
Apr 18 07:36:14 <dm8tbr> you could also ssh into it while it's up and edit the kernel cmdline in the syslinux config
Apr 18 07:36:21 <dm8tbr> BTDT for virtual machines
Apr 18 07:36:35 <lbt> yeah, well if we could get a suitable nw up
Apr 18 07:37:00 <lbt> it would be nice if init 1 brought up the wlan
Apr 18 07:37:05 <lbt> and sshd
Apr 18 07:37:20 <lbt> maybe only if in debug mode
Apr 18 07:39:32 <poutsi> Myrtti, did it break something?
Apr 18 07:47:00 <dm8tbr> lbt: my unit was still available over wifi when the UX failed
Apr 18 07:47:19 <dm8tbr> lbt: it's a bit bad style, but how about binding a getty to ttyUSB0?
Apr 18 07:47:31 <dm8tbr> plug in a usb2serial cable and you're in
Apr 18 07:57:36 <lbt> dm8tbr: I think it makes good sense to support recovery in various guises
Apr 18 08:04:59 <bkalinga> from were i can get libmeegotouch-dev package?
Apr 18 08:05:28 <bkalinga> sudo zypper info libmeegotouch-dev gives package 'libmeegotouch-dev' not found.
Apr 18 08:07:34 <slaine> Is that the name of the package ?
Apr 18 08:08:03 <slaine> you should probably do a search for libmeegotouch and see if you can spot the dev package
Apr 18 08:08:11 <slaine> (could be -devel for example)
Apr 18 08:10:16 <timoph> yep. -dev packages are a debian naming convention. rpm stuff uses -devel
Apr 18 08:10:38 <bkalinga> ok
Apr 18 08:11:27 <bkalinga> Is this package a must installation if i intend to write an MApplication?
Apr 18 08:11:52 <Stskeeps> libmeegotouch-devel
Apr 18 08:12:43 <bkalinga> yes Stskeeps, you are right. Its showing already installed in my runtime
Apr 18 08:13:24 <slaine> morning folks
Apr 18 08:13:29 * slaine goes to get some coffee
Apr 18 08:13:43 <bkalinga> but still i get error fatal error: MApplication: No such file or directory
Apr 18 08:15:48 <bkalinga> Is this a mandatory to make all meego application configured with "meegotouch-boostable"
Apr 18 08:17:56 <Myrtti> poutsi: if the button can't be clicked after the authentication succeeds, attempts to configure anything else are blocked
Apr 18 08:18:16 <poutsi> ah yes, that was it
Apr 18 08:18:53 <Myrtti> poutsi: if you manage to click the button - absolutely nothing happens as the succeeded authentication isn't reflected anywhere (ie. no facebook feeds are shown, no friends listed, nothing)
Apr 18 08:19:35 <poutsi> oh poo
Apr 18 08:20:20 <Myrtti> altho, I'm using the daily build from the trunk, so not 20110412 but 20110415 ;-)
Apr 18 08:21:34 <poutsi> already forgot which image I installed in the end :p walp, must try and change repos to point to latest trunk
Apr 18 08:47:23 * lbt points Stskeeps to #meego-devel .... and notes that if meego-dev was killled then this surely should follow
Apr 18 08:47:50 <lbt> recent quote "Is this the IRC for meego developers discussion, but i see very less people here.."
Apr 18 08:48:11 <Stskeeps> we have a 'meego-devel'?
Apr 18 08:49:14 <lbt> you may have noticed me bitching about "too many chans"
Apr 18 08:49:43 <Stskeeps> well, it's not done in the official procedure way so may ask to get it taken down :P
Apr 18 08:50:26 <lbt> lcuk: didn't believe me either ;)
Apr 18 08:51:44 <lcuk> that is fine by me :) learning curve and all that.
Apr 18 09:11:12 <bkalinga> mouse pointer does not work when i ran a  MApplication inside QEMU with meegotouch-boostable CONFIG
Apr 18 09:11:21 <bkalinga> any idea  ...anyone
Apr 18 10:05:13 <stefw> mardy: i'm trying to build the signon module (one of the components you're proposing for gnome inclusion)
Apr 18 10:05:23 <stefw> is there some documentation somewhere for how to build it?
Apr 18 10:05:36 <stefw> i don't see a normal automake setup, or a cmake setup, or anything i'm familiar with.
Apr 18 10:15:58 <Myrtti> meh
Apr 18 10:16:12 <Myrtti> the wetab os image needs more seeders :-(
Apr 18 10:16:36 <Myrtti> just wanted to try it before flashing the device again, but the bloody thing takes three hours to download
Apr 18 10:17:24 <dm8tbr> Myrtti: torrent file URL? how legit is that image?
Apr 18 10:18:39 <leinir> dm8tbr: You seem to be mistaking "torrent" for "illegally download method" here ;) wetab.mobi are using bittorrent to distribute the image :)
Apr 18 10:19:46 <Myrtti> dm8tbr: http://wetab.mobi/developers/downloads-and-howtos/
Apr 18 10:23:32 <dm8tbr> FTR I don't. I just wanted to make sure that this is a legit usecase... *sigh*
Apr 18 10:23:47 <dm8tbr> as the exopc is NOT a wetab... well sort of...
Apr 18 10:26:23 <Myrtti> well I'm just reading what Cosimo wrote...
Apr 18 10:28:34 <Myrtti> of course, if the wetab os is really in german, it's a bit useless for me
Apr 18 10:38:24 <dm8tbr> Myrtti: our tieto guys have played with their wetab and I didn't hear them cursing :)
Apr 18 10:41:57 * dm8tbr kicks in a torrent :)
Apr 18 10:43:47 <wazd> o/ all
Apr 18 10:43:58 <lolloo> 0/ wazd
Apr 18 10:50:00 <wazd> Just to check, if I haven't received any confirmation yet then my sf talk has not been approved?
Apr 18 10:50:32 <Stskeeps> i didn't either, for good measure
Apr 18 10:50:39 <Stskeeps> i'll ask some people in US timezone
Apr 18 10:50:49 <timoph> :)
Apr 18 10:51:23 <w00t_> Stskeeps: perhaps they figured it's time to give someone else a try :-P
Apr 18 10:55:57 <Termana> morning
Apr 18 10:56:22 <wazd> well, cause time is running out for me *again* :)
Apr 18 11:04:17 <thiago> wazd: your talk was approved and you should have received a confirmation
Apr 18 11:08:38 <wazd> thiago: oh, well, cool :) But I definitely don't have one :(
Apr 18 11:13:22 <Stskeeps> thiago: BoF's aren't on the accepted list yet it seems
Apr 18 11:16:56 <thiago> ah, right
Apr 18 11:26:51 <bkalinga> My mouse pointer does not work when i ran a  MApplication
Apr 18 11:28:41 <Stskeeps> yes, MTF is for touch apps
Apr 18 11:34:07 <bkalinga> Stskeeps:you mean with mouse pointer, it should not work in a qemu??
Apr 18 11:34:44 <Stskeeps> bkalinga: run your stuff with -show-cursor
Apr 18 11:35:02 <bkalinga> leme try that
Apr 18 11:43:06 <bkalinga> Stskeeps:  Still it is not working (mouse pointer getting disappear when i drag it into  qemu)
Apr 18 11:43:11 <Stskeeps> hm, ok
Apr 18 11:43:15 <Stskeeps> don't know, then
Apr 18 12:20:35 <w00t_> lbt: ping
Apr 18 12:20:57 <lbt> pong w00t_
Apr 18 12:21:12 <w00t_> remember the discussion about migrating PHP sessions the other week?
Apr 18 12:21:54 <lbt> oh yes
Apr 18 12:22:34 <w00t_> are you [and/or whoever is better placed to deal with this] able to talk to my server dude tomorrow afternoon/night european time?
Apr 18 12:23:15 <w00t_> (he's just gotten back from holidays today, so he's too busy atm)
Apr 18 12:28:45 <sandst1> X-Fade: a question about apps-beta.meego.com. Are the apps automatically pulled from the c-OBS repos into the site or how is it updated?
Apr 18 12:30:00 <X-Fade> sandst1: They will be once we have a BOSS participant. But now we just run an import when we feel like it.
Apr 18 12:30:30 <sandst1> X-Fade: ok, thanks
Apr 18 12:31:09 <X-Fade> sandst1: We hope to have automatic updates soon.
Apr 18 12:31:18 <sandst1> X-Fade: yup
Apr 18 12:33:30 <lbt> X-Fade: ^^ w00t_'s comments are related to the session over dual app server issues we're facing
Apr 18 12:33:36 <lbt> will that help ?
Apr 18 12:34:40 <X-Fade> lbt: I haven't looked into any session issues related to multiple app servers.
Apr 18 12:40:00 <lbt> X-Fade: wiki session loss
Apr 18 13:23:35 <Myrtti> X-Fade: plz I can haz access to d0wnloads apps-beta stuffz kthx
Apr 18 13:26:03 <X-Fade> Myrtti: Sorry, I don't speak cheeseburger.
Apr 18 13:26:16 <Myrtti> pretty please with a cherry on top?
Apr 18 13:26:46 <Myrtti> I was trying to download applications from the apps-beta but it asks for authentication? or did last night
Apr 18 13:28:07 <X-Fade> Myrtti: Ah that is a link to community OBS. It is giving a one-click yml.
Apr 18 13:28:19 <X-Fade> Myrtti: But MeeGo doesn't support that.
Apr 18 13:28:52 <X-Fade> One of the points that still needs to be raised :)
Apr 18 13:30:42 <Myrtti> er, right
Apr 18 14:17:06 <leinir> So! Anybody here hot on sparql and tracker? ;)
Apr 18 14:18:36 <alterego> What's the shopping cart thing on the sf2010.meego.com site?
Apr 18 14:20:06 <alterego> It's under My Account => Signups
Apr 18 14:20:37 <gabrbedd> alterego: Those are your hotel accommodations.
Apr 18 14:20:57 <alterego> Hrm, should I have done anything with it?
Apr 18 14:21:04 <alterego> Like, "Sign Up" for the conference item?
Apr 18 14:21:34 <gabrbedd> No, you'll be sleeping in a shopping cart... in a courtyard beside the Marriot
Apr 18 14:21:36 <alterego> I can see: "SKU: meego-sf2011" and it has a price of "$0.00"
Apr 18 14:21:43 <gabrbedd> :-p
Apr 18 14:21:58 <alterego> gabrbedd: sure, if I only get sponsorship for the flight :D
Apr 18 14:22:11 <gabrbedd> :-)
Apr 18 14:22:15 <alterego> Otherwise I might be travelling and staying in a shopping cart.
Apr 18 14:22:20 <alterego> So I just leave it empty then?
Apr 18 14:26:08 <gabrbedd> alterego: I honestly don't know.  I've never noticed it before.
Apr 18 14:26:17 <alterego> Heh
Apr 18 14:26:23 <alterego> m'kay
Apr 18 14:27:43 <alterego> Heh, Oracle have given up on OOo
Apr 18 14:29:30 <GAN900> alterego, couch surfing should be doable. :P
Apr 18 14:29:50 <alterego> What about coach surfing? :D
Apr 18 14:32:49 <GAN900> In SF
Apr 18 14:32:57 <GAN900> Lotsa people there.
Apr 18 14:43:52 <timeless_w7ip> hello gan900
Apr 18 14:44:21 <timeless_w7ip> anyone know what 'T:T' is ?
Apr 18 14:45:03 <alterego> Trunk:Testing
Apr 18 14:46:04 <poutsi> hey, anyone else had trouble updating flash-plugin on tablet trunk?
Apr 18 14:46:24 <poutsi> zypper complains about a missing public key even though the adobe repo says gpgcheck=0
Apr 18 14:46:54 <gabrbedd> poutsi: Perhaps check the date/time on your machine?  (I've seen that cause a similar problem.)
Apr 18 14:47:15 <gabrbedd> poutsi: Otherwise, there's been chatter about it on either meego-community or meeg-dev ML's.
Apr 18 14:47:28 <poutsi> should've checked first... only off by under a minute though
Apr 18 14:48:11 <Myrtti> wetab takes forever to install :-/
Apr 18 14:50:17 <poutsi> gabrbedd, thanks, there's a key attached to https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10894#c6 it seems
Apr 18 14:50:19 <MeeGoBot> Bug 10894 nor, High, ---, yan.yin, VERI FIXED, [REG]Flash plug-in is missed
Apr 18 14:56:09 <poutsi> aw crud, doesn't help
Apr 18 14:59:41 <gabrbedd> poutsi: maybe try `zypper clean --all && zypper refresh` (as root)
Apr 18 15:02:52 <leinir> Now, my reason for asking about sparql is - anyone know how i might go about requesting a list of files on the system with a particular suffix or mimetype?
Apr 18 15:10:08 <berndhs> leinir: man find
Apr 18 15:10:42 <timeless_w7ip> alterego: thanks
Apr 18 15:13:45 <leinir> berndhs: not really useful when i have to use tracker ;)
Apr 18 15:14:56 <berndhs> will this lead to a popular uprising against tracker tyrrany ?
Apr 18 15:22:02 <leinir> not really - very specifically i'm wanting to ask tracker what word processor, spreadhseet and presentation documents are available on the system... and seeing as it should obviously be done in a general manner, that's what sparql is for :)
Apr 18 15:26:03 <dm8tbr> leinir: for the record I am well aware of what a bit torrent is. I can still ask to clarify the provenance of a piece of data, regardless of the distribution channel.
Apr 18 15:27:12 <berndhs> are there slides or videos of the big FI meeting ?
Apr 18 15:27:20 <dm8tbr> there will be videos
Apr 18 15:27:51 <leinir> dm8tbr: oh i'm sure you do - but "how legit is that image" would, to my of course utterly feeble and simple intellect, indicate a certain amount of prejudice on the topic :)
Apr 18 15:28:33 <dm8tbr> berndhs: a large chunk of them (about 200G of raw data are about 1m from me on a pile of drives waiting for processing)
Apr 18 15:29:25 <dm8tbr> leinir: well then your intellect betrayed you because I just plain wanted to know if this data was intended for the device and was freely distributable.
Apr 18 15:30:29 <Myrtti> I can only trust it is so as the information on how to install it on the exopc was in a blogpost written by a person who was at the desk which handled both registrations and later giving out the devices
Apr 18 15:31:03 <Myrtti> it looks nice but a bit cumbersome
Apr 18 15:31:47 <Myrtti> if only the actual meego image had half the applications of wetab and had a sensible way of installing more apps
Apr 18 15:47:09 <dneary> hi
Apr 18 15:47:17 <dneary> DawnFoster, Ping?
Apr 18 15:47:32 <dneary> DawnFoster, Do we have a conf call today re the conference?
Apr 18 15:55:07 <npm> anybody have suggestions for failure on lenovo s10-3t where it can't tell it's charging the battery (warns its about to run out), and the wireless/bluetooth don't work?
Apr 18 15:58:13 <DawnFoster> dneary, yes we do.
Apr 18 15:58:46 <dneary> Is it nearly over, or about to start?
Apr 18 15:59:11 <DawnFoster> dneary: just about to start - Amy sent the materials out a few min ago
Apr 18 15:59:32 <dneary> npm, For wireless, you probably need to install the proprietary drivers (put them on a USB key after downloading them to a different machine)
Apr 18 15:59:41 <dneary> npm, For battery, I don't know
Apr 18 16:00:03 <dneary> npm, Unsurprisingly, the lenovo s10-3t page on the wiki is excellent
Apr 18 16:00:08 <dneary> DawnFoster, OK, thanks
Apr 18 16:03:30 <npm> dneary: the issue is that it worked fine until i took it on a trip... now something "broke" and i can't figure out what
Apr 18 16:03:45 <npm> it's at hardware level. for example the wireless light stays off no matter what.
Apr 18 16:05:11 <lbt> leinir, dm8tbr bittorrent & images?   I'm interested.  We should do that (with appropriate hashes) for some meego resources
Apr 18 16:05:58 <leinir> lbt: oh very definitely yes :)
Apr 18 16:09:36 <npm> hmmm http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad talks about same problem w/ bat/wireless
Apr 18 16:16:52 <mardy> stefw: hi! Sorry for the delay... you probably figured it ou already: qmake && make install
Apr 18 16:17:08 <stefw> mardy: yup, thanks.
Apr 18 16:17:20 <stefw> ran into another problem, telling qmake where to find includes...
Apr 18 16:17:24 <stefw> but i'll work on it more tomorrow.
Apr 18 16:17:35 <mardy> stefw: which includes?
Apr 18 16:18:01 <stefw> mardy: signon needs to use stuff from libsignoncrypto-qt
Apr 18 16:18:10 <stefw> which i installed to a development prefix
Apr 18 16:18:25 <mardy> stefw: it should come with a pkgconfig file
Apr 18 16:18:37 <stefw> and qmake picks that up?
Apr 18 16:18:47 <stefw> if i set PKG_CONFIG_PATH?
Apr 18 16:19:22 <mardy> stefw: it should... oh, but it may also be that the paths inside the .pc file are hardcoded... :-/
Apr 18 16:20:01 <stefw> mardy: seems like you're right. hard coded to PREFIX=/usr
Apr 18 16:20:45 <mardy> stefw: and it seems that qmake is very bad in doing these kinds of substitutions
Apr 18 16:21:13 <mardy> stefw: at least, I didn't find a way of having it modify the .pc file
Apr 18 16:30:32 <dm8tbr> lbt: sure, count me in. I have several sides that can initially seed  :)
Apr 18 16:50:16 <bilboed> who should I contact if I'm in the list of accepted SF meego conf talks but haven't received any mail ?
Apr 18 16:51:37 <gabrbedd> bilboed: You're not alone.  FWIW, I'm sure that stskeeps and thiago and some other people are working on it.
Apr 18 16:51:53 <bilboed> aaah ok
Apr 18 16:52:04 <bilboed> I thought I might have erased the mail by accident :)
Apr 18 16:52:07 * bilboed will wait
Apr 18 16:52:22 <Stskeeps> bilboed: generally if you are on the accepted list, you're in a really good place :)
Apr 18 16:52:26 <Stskeeps> bilboed: which presentation as it?
Apr 18 16:52:28 <Stskeeps> was
Apr 18 16:52:47 <bilboed> http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/video-editing-your-pocket
Apr 18 16:53:05 * npm makes mental note that travelling w/ lenovo ideapad also means taking the original windows h.d. with just incase this happens: http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/Ideapad#Major_issues
Apr 18 16:56:36 <gabrbedd> npm: Yeah, I have to reset factory defaults if I let the battery get too low.  Plus there's some randomness WRT whether or not you have the power supply plugged in or not whenever you boot after resetting the BIOS.
Apr 18 16:57:03 <gabrbedd> npm: It's a known issue on Lenovo's side... when I called for support it was resolved in 60 seconds (i.e. they're getting that call a lot)
Apr 18 16:59:15 <npm> so what was the solution they suggested?
Apr 18 17:01:06 <npm> ok actually, i think the booting into windows part was "voodoo" (if you think that's un-pc s/ voodoo/cargo-cultish)
Apr 18 17:01:22 <npm> of course that's un-pc as well
Apr 18 17:01:49 <npm> i accidentally booted into my old http://nielsmayer.com/meego/netbooktablet/
Apr 18 17:01:53 <npm> and the wirelesss is on
Apr 18 17:02:16 <npm> so it could be (1) pulling all the power and really letting it reset
Apr 18 17:02:42 <npm> (2) some bug on 1.2 "trunk" i'm now running
Apr 18 17:02:57 <gabrbedd> npm:  (1) On boot, go into bios, (2) Select "Load Defauls Settings" (like, F9 or something), and (3) Save Settings (like, F10 or something)
Apr 18 17:03:09 <npm> did that several times. didn't help.
Apr 18 17:03:19 <gabrbedd> npm: Then reboot.  If it doesn't work... try rebooting with the AC adapter plugged in.
Apr 18 17:03:27 <CosmoHill> hey berndhs
Apr 18 17:03:30 <npm> that's why i thought perhaps i'd zapped it with static while travelling
Apr 18 17:03:38 <gabrbedd> Also, I have the Broadcom... and that wiki inidicates they behave a little different.
Apr 18 17:03:39 <npm> i rebooted and frobnicated 12 ways from sunday
Apr 18 17:03:41 <berndhs> hi
Apr 18 17:04:10 <npm> but pulling the disk and replacing... oh and forgot (3) loosening and reseating wireless card
Apr 18 17:04:11 <CosmoHill> I printed out my assignment and then went to bed
Apr 18 17:04:17 <CosmoHill> took an hour to print -.-
Apr 18 17:04:28 <berndhs> solid plan :)
Apr 18 17:04:29 <gabrbedd> npm: Have you tried calling Lenovo?
Apr 18 17:04:45 <CosmoHill> every other time it loaded paper from the tray I jumped
Apr 18 17:05:01 <npm> that's the next step. i thought i could save myself not having a netbook for a while
Apr 18 17:05:28 <npm> i should remember that i pulled the battery and just plugged in the old hd before pulling the power :-)
Apr 18 17:07:02 <gabrbedd> npm: hmm... yeah I have some problems when the batter gets a little loose, too.
Apr 18 17:07:32 <gabrbedd> npm: My experience with Lenovo support was pretty good.  And for Ideapads, they're you're only option.
Apr 18 17:07:48 <gabrbedd> npm: There's no 3rd party authorized service for Ideapads.
Apr 18 17:08:20 <npm> how do you get a ideapad serviced under warranty when you didn't buy it... thats the question.
Apr 18 17:10:00 <gabrbedd> npm: Never know til you try.  Somebody bought it, right?  They usually go by serial numbers on your machine.
Apr 18 17:10:14 <gabrbedd> npm: If they say no and hang up... well... what have you lost?
Apr 18 17:10:55 <Matan[M]> hi all, i was run MeeGo 1.0 on ASUS Transformer!
Apr 18 17:13:24 <npm> gabrbedd: time... and the fact that i know more about their systems than they do ....
Apr 18 17:14:21 <npm> because it's got the wireless light all lit up pretty with the intended SSD disk that was having problems before
Apr 18 17:14:34 <npm> so no need to boot into windows.
Apr 18 17:15:00 <npm> next!
Apr 18 17:31:40 <CosmoHill> an interesting nick you have there
Apr 18 17:38:10 <gabrbedd> The most recent version of Fennec is a little... strange.  The icon is a Meegon with a surfboard, and there's some funny video graphic that shows up while the application is starting.
Apr 18 17:38:16 <gabrbedd> Anybody know the story on this?
Apr 18 17:38:27 <Stskeeps> gabrbedd: fennec takes ages to boot
Apr 18 17:38:27 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 18 17:38:42 <Stskeeps> the icon is something related to trademarks, i think :P
Apr 18 17:39:30 <gabrbedd> Stskeeps: ages to boot?  Huh?
Apr 18 17:39:54 <Stskeeps> gabrbedd: we see like 30-40 sec boot times, or at least, we used to
Apr 18 17:39:55 <Stskeeps> now it's like 15
Apr 18 17:40:29 <gabrbedd> Stskeeps: Hmmm... do you mean actual /boot/ time, or app launch?
Apr 18 17:40:33 <Stskeeps> app launch
Apr 18 17:41:03 <gabrbedd> on N900?  (Always seemed snappy for me on x86... but maybe I wasn't paying attention...)
Apr 18 17:42:13 <gabrbedd> BTW, I saw that MeeGo UX is pushing Chrome hard... which I'm not crazy about.
Apr 18 17:42:25 <Stskeeps> i wouldn't say 'hard'
Apr 18 17:42:25 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 18 17:42:26 <gabrbedd> I like chrome on the desktop, but I really like FF Mobile.
Apr 18 17:42:33 <Stskeeps> FF mobile has it's own set of problems
Apr 18 17:42:38 <Stskeeps> but browsers are generally craaz
Apr 18 17:42:38 <Stskeeps> y
Apr 18 17:42:57 <CosmoHill> firefox on my mac is a very forgetful thing
Apr 18 17:43:05 <gabrbedd> By 'hard' I mean "It's integrated into the settings menu as THE browser" -- no matter what's installed.
Apr 18 17:43:27 <Stskeeps> it's oss, so not too 'hard' ;)
Apr 18 17:43:39 <npm> gabrbedd: i like FF4
Apr 18 17:43:39 <gabrbedd> :-)
Apr 18 17:44:02 <slonopotamus> did ff finally stop leaking mem?
Apr 18 17:44:19 * CosmoHill got FF 3.6.16 to nom 2GB
Apr 18 17:44:41 <timakima> i'm wondering if qt-mobility is planned to be used in tablet-ux in the future? i'm just debugging some code and looks like QAccelometer and QRotationSensor wouldn't work with the tablet yet
Apr 18 17:44:46 <npm> be sure do do "about:sandbox" (see https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16284 )
Apr 18 17:44:49 <MeeGoBot> Bug 16284 nor, Undecided, ---, ningxin.hu, NEW, Chromium browser sandbox feature is not working in MeeGo builds
Apr 18 17:45:10 <timakima> just wondering if intel will have some separate api for those, since they seem to work in tablet ui otherwise
Apr 18 17:45:10 <Stskeeps> timakima: file a bug if it doesn't work
Apr 18 17:45:28 <npm> esp because of https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16284#c1
Apr 18 17:45:46 <npm> http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb11-07.html
Apr 18 17:48:34 <npm> yeah it's not that hard, you just have to tell gnome in a few places, kde in a few places...  what your browser is....
Apr 18 17:49:14 <npm> i got tired of it and called a script and put my browser du jour, along w/ special ALSA frobbage, in there
Apr 18 17:50:10 <mikhas> timoph, the Tampere freebies were plain exopc's with MeeGo 1.2 images?
Apr 18 17:50:34 <Stskeeps> right, except technically not freebies :P
Apr 18 17:50:45 <mikhas> whatever
Apr 18 17:50:56 <mikhas> ;-)
Apr 18 17:51:49 <npm> FYI, re browsers, the latest trunk chromium, tho insecure, works with multitouch
Apr 18 17:52:00 <npm> aka you can "pinch"
Apr 18 17:52:07 <npm> to zoom
Apr 18 17:52:30 <mikhas> interesting
Apr 18 17:52:37 <npm> chromium-11.0.678.0-8.18.i586
Apr 18 17:53:02 <npm> believe chrome-meego-extension-0.2.0-3.12.i586 is involved, right?
Apr 18 17:53:45 <timoph> mikhas: yep
Apr 18 17:54:12 <npm> brings a whole new level of bugs to http://nielsmayer.com/trainspodder-prototype.jpg
Apr 18 18:34:57 <V3rtig0> How is meego for n900 coming along? is there any call/sms-support yet?
Apr 18 18:35:19 <Stskeeps> yes, yes
Apr 18 18:37:43 <the-gibson|home> hmm I was trying to build an image last night for my adam tablet.. which is tegra 2 based.. but had no luck
Apr 18 18:39:55 <alterego> Doesn't look like incoming calls are working ofr me at the moment ;)
Apr 18 18:40:52 <the-gibson|home> is there anyone around that has tried making a tegra meego image?
Apr 18 18:41:51 <mikhas> vgrade, someone's asking for you
Apr 18 18:44:45 <poutsi> gabrbedd, thanks, gotta try tomorrow
Apr 18 18:46:35 <the-gibson|home> mikhas: vgrade has messed with tegra?
Apr 18 18:48:57 <mikhas> yes, I think so
Apr 18 18:49:53 <the-gibson|home> ok cool thanks
Apr 18 19:00:16 <npm> hmmm correction the browser w/ "pinch" support is not  chromium-11.0.678.0-8.18.i586 it's meego-app-browser-8.0.552.0-10.2.i586 ... which unfortunately runs instead of chromium once installed ...
Apr 18 19:01:05 <npm> alas "about:sandbox" in meego-app-browser is also not sandboxed (aka https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16284 applies  as well)
Apr 18 19:01:09 <MeeGoBot> Bug 16284 nor, Undecided, ---, ningxin.hu, NEW, Chromium browser sandbox feature is not working in MeeGo builds
Apr 18 19:01:53 <Myrtti> right so
Apr 18 19:02:08 <Myrtti> timoph: areena works fine on fullscreen with wetab os :-/
Apr 18 19:03:06 <Myrtti> I have a strong dislike for wetab os for some unknown reason tho
Apr 18 19:03:19 <RST38h> But it is Meego!
Apr 18 19:03:26 <RST38h> [or not?]
Apr 18 19:03:28 <Myrtti> I kinda liked the vanilla more
Apr 18 19:03:42 <Myrtti> but wetab has more apps and stuff :-/
Apr 18 19:03:51 <Myrtti> argh what a quandaray
Apr 18 19:08:04 <npm> Myrtti: alas, i agree. so i run pinetrail kernel, old netbook/vanilla and selected "tablet" apps
Apr 18 19:10:33 <Myrtti> I wish I even knew where to get stuff to install, I've tried searching for information but I seem to have lost my google-fu
Apr 18 19:12:02 <Myrtti> it's only slightly discouraging
Apr 18 19:12:28 <npm>  http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/meego-ux/Trunk/  ??
Apr 18 19:12:33 <alterego> That, and google is losing its' google foo ;)
Apr 18 19:13:09 <vgrade> hi, hello,
Apr 18 19:13:18 <vgrade> someone call?
Apr 18 19:13:25 <npm>  + http://download.meego.com/live/devel:/ux:/netbook/Trunk/
Apr 18 19:14:30 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, hi
Apr 18 19:14:31 <the-gibson|home> yes tis was me
Apr 18 19:14:44 <npm> todays upgrade: 153 packages to upgrade. Overall download size: 286.6 MiB.
Apr 18 19:15:04 <the-gibson|home> Ive been trying to get an image to build for a adam tablet
Apr 18 19:15:08 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, i've been working Advent Vega, shuttle based tegra tablet
Apr 18 19:15:23 <the-gibson|home> I think it was your wiki entry ive been looking at
Apr 18 19:16:10 <vgrade> ok, thats a little out of date as the hardfp port was in mid devel when I wrote that
Apr 18 19:16:47 <the-gibson|home> Im aware of the out-of-date-ness, but im a bit confused about getting to the arm7hl repos
Apr 18 19:17:07 <the-gibson|home> well ingeneral the difference between arm7hl and arm7l
Apr 18 19:17:20 <timeless_w7ip> myrtti: did you go to the meego conf last weekend?
Apr 18 19:17:35 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, ah ok, as I said thats quite new.  Let me check if my ks still works
Apr 18 19:17:36 <the-gibson|home> I know I can execute binaries that run on my n900 on my adam tablet(when running ubuntu)
Apr 18 19:18:19 <the-gibson|home> I dont think it does, after investing just about all d ay yesterday I managed to get it to build an image for an n900 but i havnt gotten any further
Apr 18 19:18:50 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, the problem with tegra is that the gfx driver bins from nvidia are built against a very old Xorg
Apr 18 19:19:09 <vgrade> I've only got sw rendering on vega
Apr 18 19:19:33 <vgrade> which can perform well in some parts of the tablet ux but not others
Apr 18 19:20:12 <the-gibson|home> thats fine I really just want to have something established that i can base some work off of. Because id like an alternative for android =) and well i have some time for development hehe
Apr 18 19:20:22 * TSCHAKeee is getting very tired of NVIDIA's shit.
Apr 18 19:20:33 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee, evening
Apr 18 19:20:38 <TSCHAKeee> hey vgrade
Apr 18 19:20:44 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee, back from my travels
Apr 18 19:21:03 <vgrade> back for a week then back to .de for another two weeks
Apr 18 19:21:07 <TSCHAKeee> vgrade: with the additional texture memory allowed, I can use all of Tablet UX, _EXCEPT_ when the onscreen keyboard works.
Apr 18 19:21:12 <TSCHAKeee> vgrade: what's up in .de ?
Apr 18 19:21:28 <the-gibson|home> I just got back from .de =)
Apr 18 19:22:05 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee, http://www.hems-academy.de/
Apr 18 19:22:37 <TSCHAKeee> very cool
Apr 18 19:22:43 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee, yes I made the xorg change and tablet is great on the joggler now :)
Apr 18 19:23:04 <vgrade> TSCHAKeee, will be when where finished
Apr 18 19:23:16 <TSCHAKeee> we have a guy doing dev work on LMCE that is a former Dutch military pilot (specialized in Apache), who's now living in the US and teaching.
Apr 18 19:23:22 <djszapi> Hi! Where I live there is no available wi-fi connection, but I would like to use the ssh connection, for instance, via the usb networking between my desktop PC and my exopc which runs meego, if that is possible. Has anybody ever tried that ?
Apr 18 19:23:33 <TSCHAKeee> vgrade: cool.
Apr 18 19:24:22 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, give you a shout soon. I assume you can do mic stuff
Apr 18 19:24:53 <the-gibson|home> yea i think i have it figured out by now =P
Apr 18 19:25:15 <the-gibson|home> vgrade, i appreciate any help I can get
Apr 18 19:25:38 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, guys over here are also working tegra, I think one is on Adam,  say I sent you. #TegraLinux
Apr 18 19:25:49 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, np
Apr 18 19:26:29 <the-gibson|home> vgrade, wheres 'here'?
Apr 18 19:27:06 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, IRC, #TegraLinux
Apr 18 19:28:01 <the-gibson|home> yes im already familiar with RaYmAn, but he only has ubuntu working
Apr 18 19:50:18 <mikhas> TSCHAKeee, try to run the on-screen keyboard in the so-called self-compositing mode
Apr 18 19:50:48 <mikhas> "meego-im-uiserver -software -use-self-composition [-manual-redirection] [-bypass-wm-hint]"
Apr 18 19:50:58 <TSCHAKeee> meaning, the keyboard will try to grab what's behind it and display on itself, instead of talking to the mcompositor?
Apr 18 19:51:03 <mikhas> the latter two parameters are not needed if you use mcompositor
Apr 18 19:51:08 <mikhas> TSCHAKeee, exactly
Apr 18 19:51:45 <TSCHAKeee> see this is the irony, mcompositor works
Apr 18 19:51:54 <TSCHAKeee> but we seem to be hitting stupid limits in EMGD
Apr 18 19:51:55 <mikhas> sure
Apr 18 19:52:11 <TSCHAKeee> mcompositor seems to be very willy nilly with texture buffers
Apr 18 19:52:35 * TSCHAKeee knows compositing works, because I can use XFCE4, with its compositor, with our orbiter software, and get a fully composited display
Apr 18 19:53:08 <Corsac> note that xfwm4 compositing uses render, not gl
Apr 18 19:53:14 <mikhas> it's not about whether compositing works ;-)
Apr 18 19:53:55 <mikhas> it's mostly about reducing latency, at least for the on-screen keyboard case
Apr 18 19:54:10 <TSCHAKeee> Corsac: correct, but our OrbiterGL _does_ use composited GL surfaces.
Apr 18 19:54:12 <mikhas> but it should be more texture buffer friendly, too
Apr 18 19:55:06 <mikhas> at least you won't run into stupid situations where the keyboard accidentally grabs the buffer frame that was reserved for the application itself ...
Apr 18 19:56:07 <TSCHAKeee> mhm true
Apr 18 19:56:15 <TSCHAKeee> i'll try it later today when i'm off work :)
Apr 18 19:56:24 <mikhas> please tell me the results
Apr 18 19:56:35 <TSCHAKeee> ok
Apr 18 19:57:02 <TSCHAKeee> how do I pass that option? uxlaunch seems to handle all the launching
Apr 18 19:57:13 <mikhas> .desktop files
Apr 18 19:57:23 <TSCHAKeee> oh that's right
Apr 18 19:57:27 <TSCHAKeee> :)
Apr 18 19:58:44 <djszapi> any idea for usb networking between the host PC and the meego tablet ?
Apr 18 20:00:52 <the-gibson|home> djszapi, im not 100% sure how much itll help but look at this: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking
Apr 18 20:01:07 <the-gibson|home> is your host machine Win or Linux?
Apr 18 20:01:30 <djszapi> the-gibson|home: Linux, but that does not matter too much, yeah I have been using it for a while, if it also works for the tablet that is nice.
Apr 18 20:02:50 <the-gibson|home> I applied those configs to my adam tablet running ubuntu and it worked fine
Apr 18 20:03:01 <the-gibson|home> though I do not know what itll do with meego
Apr 18 20:03:34 <djszapi> ok I will try it tomorrow since I do not have the proper USB cable here with me, thank you.
Apr 18 20:04:31 <the-gibson|home> just keep in mind not everything there applies to you =P then you should be fine
Apr 18 20:05:00 <djszapi> kinda important thing for people not having wi-fi connection.
Apr 18 20:05:36 <djszapi> but yeah, does not sound too N900 or anything specific.
Apr 18 20:05:53 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, http://pastie.org/1808627
Apr 18 20:06:18 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, sudo mic-image-creator -c tablet-armv7hl-tegra2-v01.ks -a armv7hl -f raw --run-mode=1 --pkgmgr=yum --tmpdir=../tmp --cache=../tmp/cache
Apr 18 20:06:51 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, no promises, its my old tegra ks updated to use trunk latest
Apr 18 20:07:06 <the-gibson|home> vgrade, THANKS! thats what I needed.. ill try it out when i get back home
Apr 18 20:07:29 <the-gibson|home> ill give you a heads up how it works out
Apr 18 20:07:48 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, I do need to update the wiki
Apr 18 20:08:19 <the-gibson|home> well if i get mine working id be willing to update
Apr 18 20:08:55 <the-gibson|home> cause Im also hoping to get a tutorial up and running for the adamites over on notioninkhacks.com
Apr 18 20:09:25 <CosmoHill> vgrade: Reading vs Leeds on friday :)
Apr 18 20:09:48 <CosmoHill> oh, a Reading shirt is a bad thing to wear in front of a blue screen
Apr 18 20:09:50 <vgrade> the-gibson|home, the wiki has loads of dev stuff while I was doing the initial bringup.  Also now we have hardfp in repos a lot can go from the wiki
Apr 18 20:10:07 <vgrade> CosmoHill, Reading looking good, might even get automatic
Apr 18 20:10:26 <vgrade> CosmoHill, Leeds have thrown away too many points lately
Apr 18 20:11:19 <vgrade> lcuk, nice to see you back, good break?
Apr 18 20:16:11 <araujo> is OBS down?
Apr 18 20:16:41 <lbt> no
Apr 18 20:17:32 <lbt> looks like NW issues then ;)
Apr 18 20:27:31 <djszapi> lbt: is your presentation available (meego summit) somewhere ?
Apr 18 20:27:56 <djszapi> I did try to listen to that during the meegathon and the website, but I could not catch everything :)
Apr 18 20:28:22 <lbt> should be
Apr 18 20:28:34 <lbt> and the slides will be
Apr 18 20:28:41 <lbt> not sure if the video is up yet
Apr 18 20:29:01 <lbt> araujo: you OK now?
Apr 18 20:29:16 <araujo> lbt, yeah, it was in my side I guess
Apr 18 20:29:17 <araujo> :P
Apr 18 20:29:54 <lbt> OK - good
Apr 18 21:11:38 <mikhas> on the N900, for MeeGo Touch applications, there's this "n900de" theme - is there another theme for end users? or is it only base + n900de?
Apr 18 21:16:30 <CosmoHill> damn hamster keeps chewing on his bars
Apr 18 21:24:46 <berndhs> CosmoHill: too much energy. Hire him out to generate electricity.
Apr 18 21:30:53 <CosmoHill> cyas
Apr 18 21:31:38 <berndhs> night Cosmo
Apr 18 21:33:50 <CosmoHill> [21:51]  -Global- Attention Mr. botnet owner: Please go die. Thank you.
Apr 18 21:33:51 <CosmoHill> rofl
Apr 18 21:40:31 <leinir> what the buggery meh... why is rpm crashing out so often on the tablet ux? filling up /tmp with cores :P
Apr 18 21:42:11 <leinir> attempts to do something every eight minutes, crashes three times in a row with a four second interval, dumps a core each time... fills up my disk in a couple of hours
Apr 18 21:44:16 <gabrbedd> leinir: sounds like a problem with corewatcher.  (just a guess)
Apr 18 21:44:32 <leinir> indeed
Apr 18 21:44:59 * gabrbedd wonders what happens if corewatcher segfaults while analyzing its own core.... hmmmm....
Apr 18 21:51:26 <alterego> gabrbedd: a point singularity forms.
Apr 18 21:51:36 <alterego> I think they're aiming to do that at the LHC
Apr 18 21:55:46 * lbt wonders which is cheaper...
Apr 18 21:56:56 <gabrbedd> alterego: :-)
Apr 18 21:59:48 <leinir> lbt: lhc *nods* definitely
Apr 18 22:00:07 * alterego wonders if there's any more news on the developer device program front
Apr 18 22:00:23 <alterego> There was some news about an Exo DDP last week
Apr 18 22:00:35 <berndhs> LHC keeps a large number of physicists off the streets, imagine all those guys running loose
Apr 18 22:00:46 <alterego> Wow, and as if by magick ... DawnFoster appears from nowhere! :D
Apr 18 22:00:54 <lbt> berndhs: scary... like a debconf
Apr 18 22:01:00 <alterego> I swear I'm always putting my foot in it.
Apr 18 22:01:01 <DawnFoster> uh oh. What did I miss :)
Apr 18 22:01:13 <lbt> alterego: that's a white hole I think
Apr 18 22:01:22 <alterego> A white hole?
Apr 18 22:01:25 <alterego> So what is it?
Apr 18 22:01:38 <lbt> it's where you pop out the other side ;)
Apr 18 22:02:02 <alterego> lbt, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxWN8AhNER0
Apr 18 22:02:34 <alterego> DawnFoster: nothing, I was just asking if anyone had heard any more news about the DDP
Apr 18 22:02:34 <lbt> alterego: precisely
Apr 18 22:03:15 <djszapi> alterego: btw you mentioned this dialer success :) How about the receiving calls, still opened dialer that I need to use for that ?
Apr 18 22:03:37 <DawnFoster> by DDP are you referring to the community device program?
Apr 18 22:03:43 <alterego> djszapi: I'm working with some people on that. Incoming call is being held up by a bug in the current headless dialer branch.
Apr 18 22:03:51 <alterego> DawnFoster: Ah, CDP then :D
Apr 18 22:03:53 <DawnFoster> we're hoping to have the application ready in the next week or so
Apr 18 22:04:05 <djszapi> alterego: yeah, but it is under redesign for a while :)
Apr 18 22:04:31 <alterego> It's unlikely to make it to 1.2
Apr 18 22:04:35 <alterego> But should be in DE
Apr 18 22:05:11 <alterego> Actually, it probably will be in 1.2
Apr 18 22:05:11 <djszapi> actually that is a nice answer. :) I mean at least anybody could tell anything, thank you :)
Apr 18 22:05:19 <djszapi> oh?
Apr 18 22:05:19 <alterego> I think headless is a required feature AKA blocker
Apr 18 22:05:38 <djszapi> what flag does the bug have ?
Apr 18 22:05:43 <alterego> Not sure, ang on
Apr 18 22:05:47 <djszapi> k
Apr 18 22:06:09 <alterego> We're having the dialer meeting tomorrow afternoon actually.
Apr 18 22:06:26 <alterego> I think this extra month will help
Apr 18 22:07:35 <lcuk> djszapi, bug 7074
Apr 18 22:07:36 <lcuk> Flags: 	
Apr 18 22:07:37 <lcuk> hirally.santiago.rodriguez: MeeGo_1.1_Release_Blocker-
Apr 18 22:07:37 <lcuk> jukka.eklund: MeeGo_N900DE_Release_Blocker+
Apr 18 22:07:38 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7074 nor, High, ---, michael.demeter, ASSI, Incoming call can not be answered if dialer not open when call is received.
Apr 18 22:07:42 <alterego> bug 7074
Apr 18 22:07:47 <alterego> Damn you lcuk!
Apr 18 22:07:53 <lcuk> as always
Apr 18 22:07:59 <alterego> Your holiday has made you quick
Apr 18 22:08:02 <lcuk> -evening
Apr 18 22:08:15 <lcuk> nahh that was slow, you had a whole discussion first :P
Apr 18 22:08:21 <alterego> Heh
Apr 18 22:08:48 <alterego> I was looking through search results, then remembered it's in the most annoying bug list in qa-reports ;)
Apr 18 22:09:09 <djszapi> hey hey lcuk and thanks :)
Apr 18 22:09:37 <lcuk> alterego, that bug gets mentioned so often it is in my recent history list
Apr 18 22:09:49 <alterego> Hahah
Apr 18 22:09:58 <alterego> lcuk: did you hear about my success today btw?
Apr 18 22:10:12 <lcuk> yes, you made first call with your qml dialer!
Apr 18 22:10:16 <alterego> :)
Apr 18 22:10:25 <lcuk> awesome stuff
Apr 18 22:10:41 * mikhas fails to see how "qml" is relevant for phone calls
Apr 18 22:10:43 <alterego> Yes, it is monumental, obviously, the best thing to ever happen to MeeGo ever :)
Apr 18 22:11:13 <djszapi> mikhas: phone calls are not made from xterm :)
Apr 18 22:11:27 <mikhas> unless the phone call really uses QML for VOIP or such
Apr 18 22:11:29 <alterego> Well, you can in theory do it from xterm :)
Apr 18 22:11:35 <mikhas> exactly
Apr 18 22:11:44 <djszapi> alterego: do you do ?
Apr 18 22:11:51 <alterego> djszapi: no :)
Apr 18 22:11:55 <djszapi> :)
Apr 18 22:11:59 <lcuk> there is a dialing component inside peregrine too which has a pile of bugs pending actually, I should file them when I get round to it
Apr 18 22:12:05 <lcuk> the de is looking swanky!
Apr 18 22:12:15 <alterego> lcuk: it is isn't it!
Apr 18 22:12:33 <alterego> Even the latest T:T images are nice when you change the background and theme :D
Apr 18 22:12:37 <lcuk> nice theme and the background makes a great amount of difference
Apr 18 22:12:42 <alterego> And the transissions are so silky now
Apr 18 22:13:06 <alterego> I can actually see me using this in a month or so time as a real device.
Apr 18 22:13:10 <lcuk> yeah lots of improvments pushed over recent months
Apr 18 22:13:12 <alterego> Not sure what PM progress is like.
Apr 18 22:13:34 <lcuk> well the screen has blanking now so it should be better immediately
Apr 18 22:13:43 <alterego> Yeah
Apr 18 22:13:50 <lcuk> apart from bug where clicking to unblank actions the hidden button
Apr 18 22:13:52 <alterego> I also like how power and lock slide are locking the screen now.
Apr 18 22:16:00 <alterego> djszapi: but yes, it seems headless is a blocking issue for 1.2
Apr 18 22:16:31 <alterego> djszapi: though this probably doesn't include my QML base UI, which works on top of headless. It'll still be the current MTF one.
Apr 18 22:16:33 <djszapi> actually you do not even need operating system for phone calls :)
Apr 18 22:16:59 <djszapi> just a very easy 8-bit controller, but yeah that is not the way how it is done :)
Apr 18 22:17:32 <djszapi> alterego: which ui is involved in the last working weekly image ?
Apr 18 22:17:50 <alterego> djszapi: it's still all MTF
Apr 18 22:18:10 <djszapi> I will check your QML one out at some point :)
Apr 18 22:18:39 <alterego> djszapi: once headless gets into shape I can maintain a proper QML UI branch, that would be the time to play with it.
Apr 18 22:18:58 <djszapi> yup :)
Apr 18 22:19:19 <alterego> But at the moment I'm working on refactoring headless and preparing it for use in QML, making it scriptable in JS etc.
Apr 18 22:19:27 <alterego> And making the current MTF UI code less intrusive.
Apr 18 22:21:59 <djszapi> this has been my only daily usage obstacle for quite a few weeks. Otherwise I would have started using meego :)
Apr 18 22:22:34 <alterego> Well, I think power management is still the blocker for me :P
Apr 18 22:22:50 <djszapi> what power management ?
Apr 18 22:22:56 <alterego> Heh
Apr 18 22:24:30 <djszapi> I can charge the phone on meego, it is not that warm as previously. I am fine with those :)
Apr 18 22:30:24 <alterego> bed time for me, talk to you all later.
Apr 19 01:16:04 <alpsxing> Hi. I'v downloaded the latest IVI image and installed in on my Crown Bay EVB board. But it failed to load GUI. Does anyone here know why? Thanks.
Apr 19 01:17:11 <the-gibson|home> any errors? have you looked through the logs?
Apr 19 01:20:51 <alpsxing> I'll check now.
Apr 19 01:27:41 <alpsxing> I found some error in the X.org log files
Apr 19 01:27:55 <alpsxing> VESA(0): VESA BIOS not detected
Apr 19 01:29:53 <the-gibson|home> hmm so Vesa has to do with the video drivers
Apr 19 01:30:27 <the-gibson|home> im not sure what more specificaly but I would guess it may have something to do with hw/sw graphics acceleration
Apr 19 01:35:07 <alpsxing> Thanks gibson
Apr 19 01:45:05 <alpsxing> Hi, gibson. I just reconfig the xorg.conf, and now it's working. Thanks.
Apr 19 01:45:53 <berndhs> man telepathy-qt4 is seriously weird
Apr 19 01:59:29 <the-gibson|home> alpsxing: no prob
Apr 19 02:44:20 <the-gibson|home> vgrade: you around?
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