**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 24 02:59:58 2011 Apr 24 07:50:14 morning Apr 24 08:45:25 morning Apr 24 08:52:59 mood groaning Apr 24 08:58:02 OK - by later today we'll have SR notices for meego-arm :) Apr 24 09:39:14 o/ phaeron Apr 24 09:56:48 hey Apr 24 09:59:09 morning \o Apr 24 10:02:20 * alterego yawns Apr 24 10:02:29 * alterego sneezes Apr 24 11:06:16 hey guys Apr 24 11:07:50 hello Venemo Apr 24 11:39:02 phaeron: so.. re-writing robogrator to be a bit more rational with events... usually just launch a process per event and use the upstream event naming Apr 24 11:39:46 although I think some of them are naff Apr 24 11:51:35 hi Apr 24 11:52:47 sorry for bothering... i would like to know something more about meego! does anyone know how battery life is compared to windows? do you have any suggestions? Apr 24 11:54:33 battery life on my ideapad is remarkable Apr 24 11:54:54 I have never had a laptop that lasts as long, and the screen is bright ad vibrant throughout :) Apr 24 11:56:09 thanks. im worried because a lot of linux distros have short battery life and to me is really important Apr 24 11:56:10 giobooo, I haven't put Windows on it to compare, since we got it at a MeeGo conference it is a meego machine. Apr 24 11:57:43 lcuk: what that means in hours in regular use? Apr 24 11:58:01 lcuk: meaning when you're not compiling all the time etc :) Apr 24 11:58:28 brb Apr 24 12:00:54 timakima, I don't know actually, but for example I just took it out of my bag after going to a friends with it a few days ago Apr 24 12:01:10 and it is still powered Apr 24 12:01:14 just opening the lid now Apr 24 12:04:08 ahh practically on empty Apr 24 12:04:29 ask me tomorrow after it is charged, I will keep it powered up for the day ad see how well it does Apr 24 12:05:46 ok, just interesting to know. my exopc tablet seems to die under couple of hours Apr 24 12:17:44 i've read somewhere that the issue with linux based os are power managment of hd... i'm gonna test it today just to see how long will it last. im hoping at least 5 hours. under that there's no point in using any linux distro for me. last time i tried i also had some troubles with wireless card under meego Apr 24 12:17:56 hmm, the WeTab is available for just 333 Euro now... Apr 24 12:18:07 does anyone here own such a device? Apr 24 12:18:38 I wonder whether it makes a nice dev platform for Qt applications on MeeGo Apr 24 12:32:17 I-C-Wiener: I hear it's pretty good. Apr 24 12:38:54 I-C-Wiener: many people who attended the appup intel foo right after meego summit have such things. they are called exopc Apr 24 12:43:25 hi lcuk :) Apr 24 12:43:59 what is the channel for feedback about MeeGo N900 Developer Edition? Apr 24 12:46:45 this one. :) Apr 24 12:47:04 as it is for feedback about all meego stuff Apr 24 12:47:07 very well Apr 24 12:47:30 MohammadAG told me how to install the N900 DE onto my eMMC, so that's what I did. Apr 24 12:47:52 I must say, it is extraordinarily snappy and smooth Apr 24 12:48:00 there are a few glitches though Apr 24 12:48:14 for sure Apr 24 12:48:30 for example, it started in offline mode, and I haven't found a way to exit the offline mode Apr 24 12:48:40 I keep wondering what it would take to run the maemo open media player on it Apr 24 12:48:55 it would only take porting mafw Apr 24 12:49:17 plus the open media player could use some code cleanup Apr 24 12:50:04 did you run your app on it yet? Apr 24 12:50:26 I haven't got to that yet Apr 24 12:50:36 I'm happy that the OS runs Apr 24 12:50:41 you gave instructions :) Apr 24 12:50:53 see if they work. Apr 24 12:51:02 right :) Apr 24 12:51:25 * lcuk goes to the airport bbl Apr 24 12:51:28 well for that, I'd need to have a working MeeGo chroot, which atm I don't have Apr 24 12:57:10 yuck, let me state this here in the open: the wiki is in a really really sad shape when it comes to documenting the process of how to get a working SDK / development environment Apr 24 12:57:48 and no, _I_ am not going to fix it because _I_ don't know the details. I was reading those pages because I do not know. Apr 24 12:58:16 plenty of dead links galore, information for 1.0 only... I could go on. Apr 24 13:01:34 developer.meego.com , meego.com should be the authorative ones Apr 24 13:01:38 and i don't disagree Apr 24 13:02:02 bbl Apr 24 13:08:04 Stskeeps: I was google-searching for how to convince madde to add those tablet-ux-ia32 targets etc. that led me to the wiki Apr 24 14:21:22 plus the open media player could use some code cleanup <-- patches welcome, and pong :P Apr 24 14:24:08 sure :) Apr 24 15:14:28 so, why is the MeeGo DE always in offline mode on my N900? Apr 24 15:18:28 Venemo: sim pin? Apr 24 15:19:04 Stskeeps, yes Apr 24 15:19:11 Stskeeps, I have a PIN, yes Apr 24 15:22:30 Venemo: sim pin? Apr 24 15:23:28 * alterego has PAYG sim card for MeeGo testing Apr 24 15:24:26 Venemo: that's why then Apr 24 15:25:25 Venemo: we are prolly including the pin query ui in next version Apr 24 15:29:48 Stskeeps, that's good news then :) Apr 24 15:30:42 overall, the UX is very smooth Apr 24 15:31:13 I don't know how you could make it this snappy, but you have my congratulations for it :) Apr 24 15:31:28 Venemo: the nice shiny vsync sgx drivers :P Apr 24 15:31:35 reall? Apr 24 15:31:46 The hard floating point optimized compilation target Apr 24 15:32:01 I thought that the UX got some optimization Apr 24 15:32:05 And the pretty well written MTF library. Apr 24 15:33:04 Venemo: we have to verify sgx runs at 110mhz too.. i suspect its only on 83mhz atm Apr 24 15:33:09 so it can be faster Apr 24 15:33:35 is this the same SGX what Maemo runs? Apr 24 15:33:45 moo all Apr 24 15:33:49 That flippin' Stskeeps just hijacked my tmo post :P Apr 24 15:34:03 Venemo: sgx is the hw component doing 3d Apr 24 15:34:16 I know, but does Maemo use the same driver? Apr 24 15:34:22 No Apr 24 15:34:24 we have significantly better drivers in meego. Apr 24 15:34:28 Maemo has a much older driver Apr 24 15:34:41 Stskeeps, isn't their a way to do that directly with the modem? Apr 24 15:34:42 Without vsync, that's why maemo apps tear a lot. Apr 24 15:34:44 there* Apr 24 15:35:04 MohammadAG: we don't have the pin API in ofono supporting the Nokia modem. Apr 24 15:35:12 alterego: we do now, afaik Apr 24 15:35:21 alterego: someone sent me a mail re ui Apr 24 15:35:23 Oh, in which case you can probably do it with dbus-send :) Apr 24 15:35:32 i didnt reply yet.. Apr 24 15:35:35 :P Apr 24 15:35:36 so, how come that Maemo can be smooth with the older driver too? Apr 24 15:35:57 Venemo: maemo is just older but doesnt have vsync Apr 24 15:36:17 bbl Apr 24 15:36:18 port 2.6.37 to maemo Apr 24 15:36:28 heh, not gonna happen Apr 24 15:36:33 bme will break Apr 24 15:36:37 indeed :p Apr 24 15:36:43 Stskeeps, we can use MeeGo's bme :p Apr 24 15:36:50 and modem stack and.. Apr 24 15:37:00 MohammadAG, how can Maemo run equally as smooth on an older kernel and an older SGX driver? Apr 24 15:37:04 Then you might as well use Cordia Apr 24 15:37:13 sure Apr 24 15:37:24 if only it compiled for ARM (or does it now?) Apr 24 15:37:25 Stskeeps: and we would call that Mer Apr 24 15:37:28 And make it run as you like Maemo to run (though hopefully better) Apr 24 15:37:50 Venemo: different operations. maemo only really uses 3d for composition, while meego uses it everywhere Apr 24 15:37:58 mhmm Apr 24 15:38:02 You need replacements of the closed apps though, to make it equivalent to MeeGo, though obviously you can use all of the MeeGo apps. Apr 24 15:38:05 So ... Apr 24 15:38:22 mhm. Apr 24 15:38:27 Why not just use MeeGo? :) Apr 24 15:38:31 Corsac, 'Mer' name is a bit bad omen isn't it? Apr 24 15:38:56 why? Apr 24 15:40:00 look at what happened to the previous Mer project Apr 24 15:40:49 I don't think it was a failure Apr 24 15:41:03 Mer wasn't a failure Apr 24 15:41:05 though that might depend on the expectations you hda **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 24 15:41:06 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 24 15:44:15 2011 Apr 24 15:46:41 alterego, they mean that they've learned from it. so it's not a failure Apr 24 15:47:54 Yes, exactly. Apr 24 15:51:10 how can I shutdown in MeeGo DE? Apr 24 15:51:18 the shutdown button just locks the screen Apr 24 15:51:35 su; shutdown -h now Apr 24 15:51:41 lol Apr 24 15:53:14 init 0 Apr 24 15:53:17 poweroff Apr 24 15:53:24 Whatever floats your boat :) Apr 24 15:55:08 use poweroff Apr 24 15:55:20 there is a difference Apr 24 15:55:21 ..or pop the battery / ssh into it + shutdown / ... Apr 24 15:55:50 does dropping the device into water work? Apr 24 15:56:02 MohammadAG: just once. Apr 24 15:56:21 Popping the battery out isn't a great idea either tbh :P Apr 24 15:56:38 I've had had boot up locking caused by that. Apr 24 15:58:12 Mer was hardly a failure, we had our dreams and more fullfilled Apr 24 15:58:23 with MeeGo Apr 24 15:59:07 code wise, maybe, but technology was sound (OBS, cross compilation, image creation for arm, etc..) Apr 24 16:00:37 if we get trademark complaints about DE, I'll suggest Mer Apr 24 16:00:45 * lbt wakes up from a nice sunday afternoon snooze :) Apr 24 16:01:14 and .... look what the topic is ... hehe Apr 24 16:02:42 :) Apr 24 16:02:48 btw, what happened to the concept of "desktop" in the meego handset ux? it's just the wallpaper, and it becomes inaccessible once >= 1 window(s) are open Apr 24 16:03:07 thp: That annoys me too :) Apr 24 16:04:26 MohammadAG, lol Apr 24 16:04:33 install fvwm? Apr 24 16:05:27 thp: not sure, meegotouch-home is a bit mysterious.. Apr 24 16:05:34 nah, i don't mean desktop as in x11 wm/de. more like homescreen/desktop/widgetcontainer stuff Apr 24 16:06:25 Inoticed that you can't go back to the desktop from an app Apr 24 16:06:39 thp: noone knows but 'meego' view is like tablet ux looks, nowadays Apr 24 16:06:43 mmm the thing that appears when you touch the power button twice on the ExoPC? Apr 24 16:06:58 dawnfoster: ping Apr 24 16:07:10 Stskeeps: so what's currently the handset ux is deprecated? Apr 24 16:07:12 anyone here going to meego conf familiar w/ the hotel accomodations? Apr 24 16:07:21 * timeless_w7ip is wondering how many days people are checked in for Apr 24 16:08:21 Stskeeps, are there any plans about incorporating intel's ux into the DE? Apr 24 16:08:52 Venemo: we are still evaluating on the side.. there is a page and we have images for people to try Apr 24 16:09:05 mhm Apr 24 16:09:09 * w00t_ should go fix 3d context dropping properly Apr 24 16:09:10 maybe I'll try it Apr 24 16:09:15 I know how to do it now Apr 24 16:09:15 the future is tablet ux, but timeframes make it difficult to change today Apr 24 16:10:43 i dont understand why gnome3 made a tablet ux for desktop Apr 24 16:10:44 timeless_w7ip: I'm checked in for 5 Apr 24 16:10:50 timeless_w7ip: But only 4 will be paid for. Apr 24 16:11:18 timeless_w7ip: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-April/003946.html Apr 24 16:11:49 berndhs, gnome 3 is awesome Apr 24 16:11:59 the workflow is wrong for desktop Apr 24 16:12:11 it looks great sure Apr 24 16:12:53 Stskeeps: Why is the future for a small screen a UX designed for a tablet? Because Apple made it work the other way round with iOS? (even though the apps needed changing) Apr 24 16:13:29 Stskeeps: Or is it the pragmatic future because of the limited number of people investing in core MeeGo development, and Intel have more of a chance (albeit a slim one) with tablets over handsets? Apr 24 16:13:59 Jaffa: imho, because it's not based on obsolete technology, it's not just designed for a tablet (intel and others working on it are working on making whatever changes are needed for small screens - though tbh i've not noticed many places that need it), and it means more resources focussed in one place Apr 24 16:16:30 Jaffa: my bad, its called meego ux, so read it in that context. given its components based it is very usable in many different scenarios Apr 24 16:19:56 berndhs, I've been using it for a month. the workflow is perfect Apr 24 16:20:17 and its obvious its much better than handset ux, but still missing some pieces for proper handset usage Apr 24 16:20:22 To play Devil's Advocate though, isn't this just *another* rewrite everything from scratch? Which means more delays, more developer confusion over what to target and be consistent with and _further_ delays to getting some mainstream products to marke Apr 24 16:20:41 Jaffa: long story short: noone likes mtf Apr 24 16:20:52 Venemo: starting a new application is really slow, having to go to the top level and redistaply everything Apr 24 16:21:20 Venemo: thats approriate for small screens, not for big desktops Apr 24 16:21:24 Jaffa: and qml enables much faster development and easier maintaining Apr 24 16:21:37 Jaffa: so, the developer story being qml, while not using it, _isn't_ creating developer confusion? :-) Apr 24 16:22:09 (let alone two different ux with completely different theming and appearance) Apr 24 16:22:24 w00t_: Indeed; but wasn't this all entirely obvious over a year ago? Apr 24 16:22:51 nope, because a year ago, people still hadn't gotten their act together and promoted a coherent picture of wtf to use Apr 24 16:23:01 (retarded as that may be) Apr 24 16:23:07 Stskeeps: Yeah, QML's great. Unless you want all the nuances which actually make an app usable. Comparing CuteTube with CuteTube-QML, for example, shows how much an existing framework can give you Apr 24 16:23:27 w00t_: Well, obvious to anyone outside looking in? ;-) Apr 24 16:23:40 Jaffa: preaching to the choir.. Apr 24 16:23:51 w00t_: :-/ Apr 24 16:23:57 * w00t_ was unhappy about mtf back when it was called dui and got open sourced initially Apr 24 16:24:00 Anyway, time to cook the children's tea. Apr 24 16:24:02 * Jaffa remembers Apr 24 16:24:27 * w00t_ goes to eat soup Apr 24 16:24:41 berndhs, it works well for me :) Apr 24 16:25:11 Venemo, each to their own Apr 24 16:25:21 Jaffa: "all the nuances that make an app usable?" Apr 24 16:25:30 I like the concept and look of Gnome 3, but I hate full screen windows on a laptop/desktop Apr 24 16:25:52 you don't need to have any full screen windows Apr 24 16:26:29 I usually only have the browser fullscreen Apr 24 16:26:37 i start different applications quite frequently, its a pain with a tablet UX Apr 24 16:27:47 * w00t_ just uses terminals a lot :-p Apr 24 16:28:02 yeah, i'm not in a room with UNIX geeks... Apr 24 16:28:05 heh Apr 24 16:28:39 (for the record, I am one... longer than almost all of you put together...but unlike most in here, I don't expect everyone to be) :P Apr 24 16:29:32 I never said I expect others to be one Apr 24 16:29:37 I don't even like to be one all the time myself Apr 24 16:30:12 main thing i dont like about gnome3 is that its too bossy, tells you what you should want Apr 24 16:30:34 those gnome guys hate our freedom Apr 24 16:30:35 common these days with designers Apr 24 16:30:37 obviously Apr 24 16:30:54 no matter what Apr 24 16:30:56 you're going to piss SOMEBODY off Apr 24 16:31:23 some day we'll actually move beyond windows Apr 24 16:31:26 and applications Apr 24 16:31:29 and files Apr 24 16:31:31 but... Apr 24 16:31:39 it's just a hope. Apr 24 16:31:42 :) Apr 24 16:32:00 its the same philosophy of thingss that "just work", except when they just don't Apr 24 16:32:18 berndhs: but that does not justify throwing the kitchen sink onto the UI Apr 24 16:32:23 berndhs: just to satisfy everybody Apr 24 16:32:27 berndhs: hate to tell ya bro Apr 24 16:32:35 berndhs: you are outside the 80% use case. Apr 24 16:32:37 first 20 minutes of this video are applicable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuELwq2ThJE Apr 24 16:32:51 i dont want to be in the 80 % Apr 24 16:33:05 what gnome and canonical are doing with their new interfaces is ineraction seduction as defined here Apr 24 16:33:07 berndhs: then gnome 3 isn't for you. go sit on a stump. Apr 24 16:33:12 it's not actually good for anyone Apr 24 16:33:16 and the functionality for the rest was already there, why get rid of it Apr 24 16:33:33 sigh Apr 24 16:33:39 OH NOES, THINGS ARE CHANGING! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!! Apr 24 16:33:50 watch the video Apr 24 16:34:00 im saying parts of the design are bad, that's all Apr 24 16:34:19 not that they are different, they are worse than they have to be Apr 24 16:34:39 and sorry, my opinion is as valid as that of the gnome designers Apr 24 16:34:54 very true Apr 24 16:41:56 thanks for the vid - watching now Apr 24 16:42:19 disclaimer: i didn't watch past the point where he starts talking about what he considers better Apr 24 16:42:24 so it could be even worse :) Apr 24 16:42:26 ;) Apr 24 16:43:00 oh some of it is really nice Apr 24 16:44:31 I was thinking the other day on creating a better vocabulary for describing interfaces so creating and improving them can be more precise - or at least somewhat removed from the artsy rubbish that surrounds them some times Apr 24 16:44:35 ala, gnome3 Apr 24 16:45:23 you mean remove the marketing from the technical description ? Apr 24 16:45:53 TSCHAKeee: Just tiny little things like small blocks in the UI thread until an action completes so you know it's doing something Apr 24 16:45:55 yes and no Apr 24 16:46:08 I think both the marketing and technical miss the point sometimes Apr 24 16:46:17 this dude in the vid seems to be hitting some good points though Apr 24 17:13:18 ... at about minute 29:30 there is an interesting feature each tab in a browser stacked on top of each for a single vertical scroll Apr 24 17:15:50 jaffa: ok, 4 are paid, how much flexibility do we have? Apr 24 17:16:05 i think i booked for starting w/ friday because i couldn't get them to start w/ saturday.. Apr 24 17:17:01 timeless_w7ip: Mine's Saturday - Thursday as part of my registration. bdub's finding out more about extra night rates etc. Apr 24 17:17:17 timeless_w7ip: Since they're double rooms, they're likely to be (at least) double the rate being sponsored :-/ Apr 24 17:18:44 * timeless_w7ip is trying to book flights Apr 24 17:25:27 Could they make the hotels more complicated? Apr 24 17:25:48 is that a rhetorical question? Apr 24 17:25:49 Jaffa: got an issue this week? Apr 24 17:25:52 vonder: yes? Apr 24 17:26:02 ;) Apr 24 18:03:41 IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. sd09jw goutam__ goutam_ lcuk lynxis berndhs ivanich sampos citn xiambax swc|666 bugzy wazd Chrisite DocScrutinizer gaveen_ timeless_w7ip nslu2-log abhijeet radhermit thiagoss mikhas jpetersen toniher_casa Unmensch MostafaDaneshvar kraiskil Apr 24 18:03:44 gan: you really don't want to know the answer to that Apr 24 18:04:25 IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? 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Apr 24 18:05:10 what is that Apr 24 18:05:38 kloeri: could you set up an an autoresponder? the text is always the same Apr 24 18:05:56 what is happening in this channel guys.. Apr 24 18:06:05 what moronic posts are these Apr 24 18:06:06 spambot Apr 24 18:06:10 the spambots are already getting klined automatically Apr 24 18:06:15 isn't that obvious? Apr 24 18:06:27 why is it so?? Apr 24 18:07:03 move on Apr 24 18:07:19 the trollbots are fueled by comments and discussion about them Apr 24 18:17:54 not again... who may be responsible for this crusade against meego? Apr 24 18:18:04 envious android devs from google? Apr 24 18:23:42 maybe it's a miraculous manifestation of electrons in the wires? Apr 24 18:23:46 Darius is back. Apr 24 18:27:34 Venemo: if you assume that it's a crusade against MeeGo, you're really in need of an urgent wakeup Apr 24 18:27:47 hint: it's not against MeeGo. Apr 24 18:28:01 its against IRC :) Apr 24 18:28:09 on another subject Apr 24 18:28:52 I wonder if tomorrows Tablet image is any better than last weeks Apr 24 18:30:11 it's kids with too much time over the weekend. now move on, move on, nothing to see! Apr 24 18:32:49 GAN:No shit??? Apr 24 18:33:13 GAN: Have they closed down the asylum because of the funds shortage or what? Apr 24 18:33:37 RST38h: ha, no, just kidding. ;) Apr 24 18:35:07 He was more fun than the current crop though. Apr 24 18:47:22 Yes Apr 24 18:47:40 Less 13-year-old-troll and more legitimately-disturbed-evil-genius. Apr 24 20:22:53 * timeless_w7ip sighs Apr 24 20:23:15 someone needs to poke meego's openid stuff so that all possible variants of https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id work for logging in w/ openid.. Apr 24 20:27:32 anyone here have trouble uploading the LF ods file to google docs? Apr 24 20:31:50 which file? Apr 24 20:32:10 evening by the way timeless_w7ip \o Apr 24 20:42:52 * timeless_w7ip sighs Apr 24 20:43:01 open office is the *dumbest* app ever Apr 24 20:43:17 what idiot thought it would be a good idea to give users an error message about "document opened read only" Apr 24 20:56:06 timeless_w7ip, it does even worse stuff than that Apr 24 20:59:18 yeah but we have libreoffice now, and it will be all better Apr 24 22:23:07 * CosmoHill gets slightly confused by using two laptops connected to monitors that aren't next to them Apr 24 22:23:21 my right laptop is connected to the left monitor Apr 24 22:24:14 no Jesus today? ;) Apr 24 22:24:44 I got an east bunny, does that count? Apr 24 22:25:23 at least west bunnies don't know how to count Apr 24 22:25:54 I was referring to the daily spam message of #meego ;P Apr 24 22:26:22 eastern easter is on the same day as western easter this year Apr 24 22:27:21 where did the bunny go Apr 24 22:29:40 * CosmoHill rubs his tummy Apr 24 22:34:29 ketas: here: http://www.isnichwahr.de/r15084835-ostern-faellt-heuer-aus.html (easter is canceled) Apr 24 23:16:40 hi all Apr 24 23:16:50 hi Apr 24 23:17:22 i am have trouble with megoo Apr 24 23:17:47 i am have 3Q Qoo! nettop computer based at Intel Atom Apr 24 23:17:54 with 4 cpu Apr 24 23:18:02 and can't reinstall megoo Apr 24 23:18:27 i am try to install and after complete all step i have blck screen infinitly Apr 24 23:18:51 after Ctrl+Alt+Del I am have a infinite loader screen Apr 24 23:19:06 but system reaction to Ctrl+Alt+Del Apr 24 23:19:20 what is it? how to show a console screen by load? Apr 24 23:19:27 how to diagnostic? Apr 24 23:19:27 have you ever install meego on this device before? Apr 24 23:19:31 no Apr 24 23:19:40 so it's a first install, new a reinstall Apr 24 23:19:51 does this device have an Intel graphics card? Apr 24 23:20:29 i dont konw. but installation working in grapic mode. Apr 24 23:20:54 look up your device online and it should tell you what graphics card it has Apr 24 23:21:02 i am reinstall Megoo at ext3 partion Apr 24 23:21:26 the FS won't affect the graphics issue Apr 24 23:21:47 vit1251: does the device has an Nvidia or Ati sticker on it? Apr 24 23:22:06 i am dont konw how to look video card (http://www.3-q.ru/qoo/) Apr 24 23:22:31 Графический адаптер NVIDIA ION Apr 24 23:22:31 (Full HD Video 1080p) Apr 24 23:22:38 yes @ site have nVidia ION card Apr 24 23:22:39 you're device isn't supported by MeeGo Apr 24 23:23:09 but I am loking MeGoo after buy at this dev? how it possible? Apr 24 23:23:37 it will be up to you to get Meego working with Nvidia drivers Apr 24 23:24:05 how to do work MeGoo with nvidia ion Apr 24 23:24:12 no idea Apr 24 23:24:47 installation is working so good! why i am have some trouble with this Apr 24 23:25:03 MeeGo does not support Nvidia graphics chips. Apr 24 23:28:44 vit1251: you can boot into command line mood by replace "quite" with "3" at the boot menu Apr 24 23:29:08 how to get boot menu Apr 24 23:29:25 it should flash up when you turn the computer on Apr 24 23:30:23 i am have only blue screen without any cahr Apr 24 23:30:45 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-gdm-fbfu.jpg Apr 24 23:30:50 it looks like the blue screen at the top Apr 24 23:35:19 http://files.vitold.org/file/view/81 Apr 24 23:35:28 look this screen Apr 24 23:37:13 no text? Apr 24 23:37:52 it looks like your boot loader might have failed Apr 24 23:38:37 how to disable this stupid loader splash image Apr 24 23:39:06 could try pressing escape Apr 24 23:39:12 ok i am try Apr 24 23:39:24 wait a sec Apr 24 23:39:28 even if you get your boot loader working you'll only be able to use MeeGo in command line Apr 24 23:40:09 hey TSCHAKeee Apr 24 23:42:53 culd not framebuffer: no souch device Apr 24 23:43:09 i am loading in syslinux without quite and vga=current Apr 24 23:43:45 what is a Nvidia ION? Apr 24 23:44:02 vit1251: it's an Nvidia graphics card built into the processor die Apr 24 23:44:14 so you have one chip with Intel Atom and Nvidia on it Apr 24 23:44:46 and world have not a driver for this monster? Apr 24 23:45:37 yeah, it's just MeeGo doesn't support it Apr 24 23:45:44 Ubuntu should support it Apr 24 23:46:13 ok... i am can get this driver and ./configure ; make it? Apr 24 23:46:55 Linux supports hybrid graphics very poorly Apr 24 23:47:13 if it is Optimus, then you're pretty much out of luck Apr 24 23:48:10 vit1251: if you want MeeGo to work on an ION chip you're going to have to do all the leg work yourself Apr 25 00:01:19 ok, i am have not network and video and other dev Apr 25 00:01:27 stupid vendor Apr 25 00:01:43 i am can't use this hardware Apr 25 00:01:56 i am return it back on tusday Apr 25 00:02:07 thanx for heling Apr 25 00:02:08 IIRC the Vendor supports Windows 7 Apr 25 00:02:09 buy Apr 25 00:02:11 cyas Apr 25 00:02:51 i am have not free license to Windows 7 on this stupid device Apr 25 00:03:26 i am buy this with custom MeGoo build (how they buil it?) Apr 25 00:04:31 there's a list of supported devices on meego.com if you'd like to check that out Apr 25 00:06:34 megoo support this but this stupid mego building Apr 25 00:06:42 look at label on box http://files.vitold.org/file/view/82 Apr 25 00:07:21 is there a vendor specific MeeGo build? Apr 25 00:07:26 * CosmoHill pokes DawnFoster Apr 25 00:07:42 lolsticker Apr 25 00:07:48 vldcnst: a sticker doesn't mean anything Apr 25 00:08:12 sofar: sticker? Apr 25 00:08:24 vldcnst: "label" Apr 25 00:08:33 * vldcnst confused. Apr 25 00:08:37 yeah, the image you posted shows a sticker/label with the word "meego-330" Apr 25 00:08:55 I did no such thing Apr 25 00:09:06 wrong nick sorry Apr 25 00:09:25 vit1251: a sticker doesn't mean anything Apr 25 00:10:41 vit1251: meego.com does not make hardware. please contact your hardware provider and ask them for the source code & information on how to rebuild it Apr 25 00:10:49 also, what system is it? who sells it? Apr 25 00:11:51 sofar: scrool up to the q-3 link Apr 25 00:12:37 well cool Apr 25 00:12:44 still doesn't say much lol Apr 25 00:12:55 Международная выставка потребительской Apr 25 00:12:56 электроники Consumer Electronics & Photo Expo Apr 25 00:12:58 sweet Apr 25 00:13:01 whatever that is :) Apr 25 00:13:06 * CosmoHill pokes to the UK flag Apr 25 00:13:24 *points Apr 25 00:14:07 it looks shiny Apr 25 00:14:24 shrug, still no links to what version of meego it apparently comes with Apr 25 00:15:28 or any referece to meego Apr 25 00:17:01 http://www.laptopdrv.net/2011/03/05/the-company-released-3q-colorful-thin-notebooks-qoo-clutch-and-sprint/ Apr 25 00:17:07 says it will come pre-loaded with MeeGo Apr 25 00:17:16 different device, same company Apr 25 00:33:19 i am write to tech-help 3-q and i am waitihg answer Apr 25 00:34:30