**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 29 02:59:57 2011 Apr 29 08:05:21 andre__: ping Apr 29 08:13:39 * achipa having wiki session problems (again) Apr 29 08:32:48 morning Apr 29 08:32:51 who is watching the wedding? Apr 29 08:33:26 the wedding is today? Apr 29 08:33:40 in about 90minutes Apr 29 08:34:10 wow i really should pay more attention to the world news... is there going to be anything exciting enough to watch? Apr 29 08:36:10 Yes Apr 29 08:36:31 There should be a few civilian casualties in Lybia, Siria, and some other countries. Apr 29 08:37:25 Maybe a terrorist act or two. No large-scale disease epidemics though, and the Fukushima kinda gone quite lately. Apr 29 08:38:27 Ah, almost forgot: THE WHITE IPHONE is being released! Fun! Apr 29 08:38:29 i meant at the wedding, I'm not that newsless ;-) Apr 29 08:38:50 of course I knew about the iphone, that's the one piece of news i can't go without Apr 29 08:39:00 * RST38h knew it =) Apr 29 08:41:36 arfoll: not worth watching, they said the chaser can't comment Apr 29 08:43:20 lcuk: you're getting married? Apr 29 08:43:58 well if I am I would need to get dressed Apr 29 08:44:40 * lcuk just downloading todays n900-de Apr 29 08:45:20 I wonder if we should have torrents Apr 29 08:46:55 acceptance is coming at 500 kB/sec for me from the server? Apr 29 08:47:14 http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.1.99.4.20110427.5.DE.2011-04-29.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance/ Apr 29 08:52:26 is there a way of getting someone's email from their obs name? Apr 29 08:58:22 arfoll: for admins, yes. But not for regular users. Apr 29 08:58:39 X-Fade, could you tell me who jhe34 is? Apr 29 09:00:54 arfoll: no account like that in meego.com or c.obs. Apr 29 09:01:27 X-Fafe, he just made request #17249 Apr 29 09:01:32 on meego.com obs Apr 29 09:01:52 arfoll: Don't have access to that. Apr 29 09:02:06 ah my bad, i thought you did Apr 29 09:05:21 are there any plans/idea to integrate libmobiledevice into meego ?? Apr 29 09:12:08 Hi, I am new to Meego OBS, and trying to figure out how to work with it Apr 29 09:12:47 i can see "Create new package based on existing package" under my Packages for project home:kalinga Apr 29 09:13:19 clicking on that asks me "Name of original project:" Apr 29 09:13:50 where can I see the list of projects name Apr 29 09:27:27 i am using https://build.pub.meego.com Apr 29 09:28:37 in wiki it shows "Link Package" but for me it shows "Create new package based on existing package" Apr 29 09:32:42 lbt: What happened to pubworker01? Apr 29 09:34:03 *sigh* Apr 29 09:34:39 Unable to find package 'libmeegotouch' in project 'MeeGo:1.1:Core:Handset'. Apr 29 09:35:02 when i gave libmeegotouch as package name and MeeGo:1.1:Core:Handset project name Apr 29 09:35:06 GPF Apr 29 09:35:10 lbt: Ah nice stack trace in dmesg. Apr 29 09:35:30 can someone please point me where can i see these info Apr 29 09:37:17 bkalinga: isn't mtf in core, not handset? Apr 29 09:37:42 X-Fade: reboot? Apr 29 09:37:48 how do see this info Apr 29 09:38:55 altergo: could you please share the link, where i can see all project names and available packages inside it Apr 29 09:40:13 Also can someone explain the difference between MeeGo:1.0:Core and MeeGo:1.0:Core:Handset Apr 29 09:40:59 bkalinga, give actual links to the obs repos you are specifying Apr 29 09:41:39 bkalinga: did you look on the wiki? Apr 29 09:41:57 yeah Apr 29 09:42:01 was it there? Apr 29 09:42:16 in wiki it talks about Link Package Apr 29 09:42:21 would it have been helpful if it was there? Apr 29 09:42:34 which is not showing in my case Apr 29 09:42:54 where? Apr 29 09:43:04 also in wiki its not clear..very difficult for first timer Apr 29 09:43:12 where are you looking? Apr 29 09:43:38 https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Akalinga Apr 29 09:43:48 in the wiki... Apr 29 09:44:00 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/WebUI_part_2 Apr 29 09:44:49 the example Meego:1.0:core and bash I tried which gave me error Apr 29 09:45:21 in wiki the option is "Link Package" Apr 29 09:45:43 but in My case its showing "Create new package based on existing package" Apr 29 09:45:58 yep - that's for the core OBS - we need something for community Apr 29 09:46:58 true, but it does not say where some one look for this available packages i.e. "bash" in the example Apr 29 09:47:09 what ever i enter there i am getting error Apr 29 09:48:57 bkalinga: I'm busy right now... what are you trying to do ... end goal, not "link a package" Apr 29 09:49:46 my goal is to learn OBS and use it compile examples inside libmeegotouch Apr 29 09:50:14 lbt: you please carry on with your work Apr 29 09:50:25 if provide me pointers latter Apr 29 09:50:34 that would be really great Apr 29 09:50:54 OK - linking packages is a bit advances Apr 29 09:50:55 d Apr 29 09:51:14 I suggest you grab some tarball/spec examples and just build them for now Apr 29 09:51:45 yes that is what I am trying to do..but not getting where to start Apr 29 09:51:48 it is possible - but you'd be doing inter-obs links Apr 29 09:52:42 lets say i want to compile MTF code Apr 29 09:52:55 what to specify and where to specify that Apr 29 09:53:57 lcuk: as you mentioned, i can give actual links to the obs repos Apr 29 09:54:04 OK ... create a tarball and a spec file. Upload them to your home project Apr 29 09:54:08 that's it Apr 29 09:54:18 you can grab a source rpm Apr 29 09:54:30 and extract a "known good" tar/spec Apr 29 09:54:44 or you can do a git export ... etc Apr 29 09:55:56 ok but there no option for uploading my local tar file.. Apr 29 09:56:20 add a package... Apr 29 09:57:13 it shows Name, Title and Desc Apr 29 09:57:38 if you need help filling those in then I'd reconsider your career choice... ;) Apr 29 10:00:03 Ohhh...I got it now ...After I fill these info and save ..then I am able to see Add Files option there i can upload my source Apr 29 10:00:11 thanks lbt, Apr 29 10:03:16 :) Apr 29 10:13:50 oooh dd actually managed 1.1MB/s Apr 29 10:18:36 <_|Nix|_> Hi! Could someone please point me to the latest daily build of the meego ia32 tablet image? Apr 29 10:19:12 <_|Nix|_> Oh ... /repo/.meego.com Apr 29 10:19:16 * _|Nix|_ facepalms Apr 29 11:00:02 _|Nix|_, which device are you testing it on? Apr 29 11:02:29 <_|Nix|_> lcuk: lenovo ideapad Apr 29 11:02:50 :D you want the pinetrail image afaik Apr 29 11:03:01 * lcuk adores his ideapad Apr 29 11:03:20 <_|Nix|_> lcuk: I got it figured out meanwhile, now if only I could get my wireless and display driver working on my Dell Latitude E6420 :-S Apr 29 11:04:07 <_|Nix|_> lcuk: I have iwlagn, but for some reason it doesn't work with this model ... I've seen others have this problem on forums, but I can't figure it out ... Guess I'll wait for a new kernel ... Apr 29 11:04:23 http://wiki.meego.com/Devices Apr 29 11:04:38 the dell latitude 2100 is included but not your model so far Apr 29 11:04:56 _|Nix|_, it may very well be the same solution as other devices in the list Apr 29 11:05:12 quite many devices are now documented with the workarounds and stuff Apr 29 11:06:28 <_|Nix|_> lcuk: I'm trying to get Fedora to work with my Dell :) No joy there either. Apr 29 11:08:31 _|Nix|_, what does work on it? Apr 29 11:09:24 * smoku 's wife adores his ideapad Apr 29 11:09:46 smoku, what OS is running on it? Apr 29 11:09:55 cordia of course :) Apr 29 11:10:23 she's my pre-alpha tester :D Apr 29 11:10:47 children are good for that too Apr 29 11:11:51 don't have that yet ;-) Apr 29 11:13:23 smoku, then get off the computers and go snuggle up :P Apr 29 11:13:32 * lcuk is sure something will emerge from it Apr 29 11:14:00 yeah... and what is going to pay to raise them if not these computers? :> Apr 29 11:14:49 at Poland children are not the property of the whole society yet Apr 29 11:15:10 ;-) Apr 29 11:15:15 smoku: should wait until there is a EU directive to this effect then! Apr 29 11:15:43 i'm sure I don't have to wait long Apr 29 11:17:09 this dd imaging takes so long on this computer Apr 29 11:17:40 Dialer is so much more responsive with prestart Apr 29 11:17:48 Startup time is like 2 seconds Apr 29 11:17:57 I blinked and it appeared :D Apr 29 11:18:08 :D Apr 29 11:18:18 alterego, is that integrated into daily testing? Apr 29 11:18:24 No Apr 29 11:18:48 I managed to fix some issues I was having with prestart and the application launcher icon yesterday, as my battery went flat. Apr 29 11:19:15 So I couldn't upload it to git, so now I'm tidying up my rather frantic attempts at fixing it to work out what combination of things I did made it work :D Apr 29 11:19:36 It's cool though, from power on I have the ability to receive calls, though with the current lack of ring tone .. Apr 29 11:19:39 what is prestart? Apr 29 11:19:58 I might hack a QML ring tone player for the time being. Apr 29 11:22:33 alterego, have you tried asking shane about how to do ringtones and stuff properly? Apr 29 11:23:00 The problem is apparently N900 specific related to PA policies Apr 29 11:24:06 ahh Apr 29 11:25:09 Not sure if it's in the top 10 Apr 29 11:25:12 But it should be really .. Apr 29 11:26:56 where can I find any docs about contextkit? Apr 29 11:27:01 alterego, do you know the bug number? Apr 29 11:27:22 * tmpsantos can't find at apidocs.meeggo Apr 29 11:27:26 meego* Apr 29 11:28:07 tmpsantos, apidocs.meego.com exists: http://apidocs.meego.com/1.2-preview/ Apr 29 11:28:13 I'm checking now Apr 29 11:28:53 lcuk: it was suppose to be there at Application Frameworks IMO Apr 29 11:29:06 tmpsantos, ? Apr 29 11:29:38 lcuk: /me looking for contextkit library API documentation Apr 29 11:30:24 lcuk: there's this: bug 12103 Apr 29 11:30:27 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12103 enh, High, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] Incoming call indication Apr 29 11:33:01 So, how would I go about disabling the screen? Apr 29 11:33:31 I know there aren't any Qt mobility APIs to do with actually blanking the screen, just preventing screen blanking. Apr 29 11:36:01 hurrah N900-de booted Apr 29 11:37:33 :) Apr 29 11:38:55 Weird .. Apr 29 11:40:49 and the tap to bring up the screen (and associated bug 16542 I filed) might need adjustment. since waiting for the screen to go dark then putting it in pocket brings up the screen again Apr 29 11:40:51 hmm Apr 29 11:40:51 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16542 nor, Undecided, ---, jesse.barnes, NEW, [N900] Tapping after Screen blank is actioning button Apr 29 11:41:29 so it might be the actual slider should be used and to not have taps rebrighten the screen Apr 29 11:41:30 hmm Apr 29 11:55:05 I'm working with a friend on an Exopc tablet running Meego. He downloaded Apr 29 11:56:15 mizerydearia, pleased he finished download Apr 29 11:56:17 ing Apr 29 11:56:53 * lcuk hopes you used fibre connection to download him Apr 29 11:58:22 I'm working with a friend on an Exopc tablet running Meego. He downloaded the MeeGo v1.1 SDK from https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-sdk Apr 29 11:59:35 That page does say supported distributions of Ubuntu and Fedora and not MeeGo. Apr 29 12:02:17 mizerydearia: you can use a chroot'ed meego image instead of the SDK Apr 29 12:07:17 mizerydearia: you don't need the SDK if you are running meego, just install meego-development and meego-packaging Apr 29 12:07:48 it's a lot easier than dealing with chroots and sdks that want to install broken packages all over your distro of choice Apr 29 12:09:42 ali1234: Ah, that's an interesting point. We've been trying to download and install the SDK even though we're already using MeeGo environment. Apr 29 12:10:09 How do we install meego-development and meego-packaging? Simply download and install them? Apr 29 12:11:04 Does MeeGo support an IRC client? I didn't see any package manager to install apps such as irssi or xchat. Apr 29 12:12:15 mizerydearia: you didn't see the package manager? or you didn't see those apps in the package manager? Apr 29 12:12:28 I didn't see the package manager Apr 29 12:12:35 mizerydearia: zypper in meego-development-tools meego-packaging-tools Apr 29 12:12:46 netbook 1.1 panics on boot on asus eeePC 1001px :( Apr 29 12:12:59 the meego package manager isn't exactly easy to find even on netbook Apr 29 12:13:23 and iirc it doesn't really show packages and metapackages but a simplified "apps" view instead Apr 29 12:14:22 hi all Apr 29 12:14:43 morning sivang \o Apr 29 12:15:27 hey lcuk Apr 29 12:15:57 I wish I could be in London today. Apr 29 12:16:02 :) Apr 29 12:16:48 the wedding is spectacular Apr 29 12:16:52 so many people Apr 29 12:17:07 that is what thought Apr 29 12:17:12 from all walks of life Apr 29 12:17:20 *I Apr 29 12:17:31 and Pippa Middletons ass is still thebest thing on show :P Apr 29 12:17:46 lcuk: took the words out of my mouth. Apr 29 12:17:55 lcuk: let's go to -bar Apr 29 12:18:16 lcuk: send a link Apr 29 12:18:28 guys, let'scontinue in -bar Apr 29 12:31:20 Sage, awesome, the fixes for icon scaling will be in on Monday? Apr 29 12:31:30 bug 16430 Apr 29 12:31:32 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16430 nor, Medium, ---, fathi.boudra, WAIT, [REG]Application icons in quick launch bar downward offset. Apr 29 12:32:57 lcuk: for DE yes Apr 29 12:33:14 for rest of the MeeGo if it is approved as release blocker Apr 29 12:35:59 Have you guys installed MeeGo on Nokia N900? Is it stable enough for using it as a daily phone? I don't mind a few glitches as long as it's usable. Apr 29 12:37:59 I really really really REALLY wish there were torrents of these bloody installation images Apr 29 12:38:24 thrall: I would say no, there is too many bugs still that prevent daily usage. E.g., volume control is missing :) Apr 29 12:40:49 Sage, there is a volume slider? Apr 29 12:41:00 I have not heard any audio to need it mind you Apr 29 12:42:14 lcuk: there is separate application yes, but that is not very handy. Apr 29 12:42:41 the systemui volumecontrol is missing and not sure if the volumekeys are working either. Apr 29 12:43:51 I see. Have you had any problems with registering the sim card in the N900. Mine keeps refusing all operators except Telenor. I'm thinking it may be locked even though they say it's not... Apr 29 12:44:14 Do you know of a way to check if it's locked to a specific operator? Apr 29 12:44:41 Sage, is there a bug to track about it and to try and figure out how we can get it resolved? Apr 29 12:44:57 or is it relating to the UX documentation also Apr 29 12:45:16 ie have to find correct place for the volume setting Apr 29 12:45:39 lcuk: I know there is it is on my browser atm :) Apr 29 12:45:42 (I personally adore the maemo control panel in that regard) Apr 29 12:45:58 Sage, :D Apr 29 12:47:30 One reason could be that /var/run/pulse/dbus-socket isn't in the filesystem. And I have no idea if it should be there, if it has moved or something else. Apr 29 12:53:59 is the live image installer using a different kernel than the actual installed system? Apr 29 12:54:58 for me the installer and the live systems work but booting the installed system panics immediately Apr 29 13:18:38 hi do we have cabal for meego? Apr 29 13:18:50 cabal? Apr 29 13:19:51 Glasgow haskell compiler Apr 29 13:20:17 ah.. Apr 29 13:20:18 http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Cabal-Install#Installing_a_package Apr 29 13:20:21 i don't think so Apr 29 13:35:52 <_|Nix|_> How can I find out which source package creates a given binary package? Apr 29 13:37:11 _|Nix|_: rpm -q --info Apr 29 13:37:20 _|Nix|_: ...I think that'll work. :-) Apr 29 13:39:45 <_|Nix|_> OK, so the source rpm's name is the same as the binary rpm's name. Yet zypper source-install says no such package or something like that. Apr 29 13:41:02 _|Nix|_: Then you probably don't have your source repos enabled. Apr 29 13:41:11 _|Nix|_: `zypper repos` to see the status Apr 29 13:41:32 _|Nix|_: and `zypper mr --enable ` to enable a disable repos Apr 29 13:42:15 <_|Nix|_> Right ... Apr 29 14:42:04 oooh I hear music from the meego-de :D Apr 29 14:42:27 the media player is a bit fiddly though Apr 29 14:42:43 and as sage pointed out, volume is hard to change Apr 29 14:49:19 good afternoon fiferboy \o DawnFoster \o mece and amjad too :P Apr 29 14:49:37 hey lcuk Apr 29 14:49:44 hello lcuk Apr 29 14:50:26 * lcuk wadid you watch the wedding DawnFoster? Apr 29 14:50:33 -/me wa Apr 29 14:50:48 lcuk: was there a wedding ;) Apr 29 14:50:56 no, I didn't watch it Apr 29 14:51:24 there are flags everywhere over here Apr 29 14:51:27 did she run? Apr 29 14:51:31 * lcuk has not heard any parties though Apr 29 14:51:33 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/28/operation_pumpkin/ Apr 29 14:51:35 DawnFoster, well here's the short version: Harry didn't wear a hitler costume Apr 29 14:51:44 thiago, nahh in that dress it would be tricky Apr 29 14:51:54 was anyone drunk? Apr 29 14:52:01 the groom's father maybe? Apr 29 14:52:49 lcuk, harry is the one with the hitler costume, right? Apr 29 14:53:38 * thiago thinks everyone is now reading about Operation Pumpkin Apr 29 14:53:46 indeed Apr 29 14:53:46 A headline discribed Kate's dress as 'A Triumph' Apr 29 14:53:49 * gabrbedd snickers Apr 29 14:53:52 Mece, idk Apr 29 14:54:06 the lads did look splendid Apr 29 14:54:15 some strange hats Apr 29 14:54:19 (on the ladies) Apr 29 14:54:46 * gabrbedd would describe the dress as "white" Apr 29 14:55:42 * Mece is having trouble opening the pumpkin thing because ham is hogging ol the cpu on his N900 Apr 29 14:57:12 heard on the radio that over 2 billion people watched the wedding. Apr 29 14:57:24 a lot of wasted work hours Apr 29 14:57:29 or sleep Apr 29 14:57:52 football still alot more popular then Apr 29 14:58:33 Crazy anglophiles. Apr 29 15:01:57 haha operation pumpkin indeed :D Apr 29 15:02:13 arfoll: Yeah, some of my friends thought all the attention was silly. I was thinking, "Eh, give 'em a break. They don't get the superbowl every year like we do" Apr 29 15:02:31 :-p Apr 29 15:02:36 since this happens every 30 years or so, is the audience 30 times greater than the superbowl? Apr 29 15:03:07 i'm just surprised why so much attention for a wedding when hes not even going to be king Apr 29 15:03:17 isn't he? Apr 29 15:03:59 Mece, no that would be the prince of wales Apr 29 15:04:03 operation pumpkin... hahahaha that's great. (Looks like an onion article, tho) Apr 29 15:04:58 thiago: I dunno. Probably. Apr 29 15:05:01 :-) Apr 29 15:05:33 arfoll, but isn't this will fellow charles' eldest? Apr 29 15:05:42 Are there many outside the US who watch the superbowl? (Other than US expatriates) Apr 29 15:05:43 Mece, seen a picture of charles? Apr 29 15:06:03 arfoll, yes...? Apr 29 15:06:09 gabrbedd, no one outside the US watches american football Apr 29 15:06:34 gabrbedd, what arfoll said. Apr 29 15:07:43 Mece, prince charles is quite a bit older Apr 29 15:08:04 arfoll, hence it would surprise me if he outlived his son... Apr 29 15:08:46 arfoll: Mece: That's what I figured... but things are always as I figure. :-) Apr 29 15:09:31 Mece, oh wow my understanding of the royal family just went out the window. ignore me Apr 29 15:09:36 i should give back my british passport Apr 29 15:09:44 gabrbedd, I actually have 2 friends who follow american football Apr 29 15:09:51 arfoll, LOL Apr 29 15:10:29 gabrbedd, 2 who are'nt american I mean Apr 29 15:17:25 GAN900: The Rays are really pouring it on, while the Orioles are fading already Apr 29 15:22:02 fiferboy: Go Astros! Apr 29 15:22:12 or.... lAstros... Apr 29 15:26:00 gabrbedd: I'm cheering for the Cardinals, so I can't wish the Astros well Apr 29 15:29:22 fiferboy, how about that Zobrist. :P Apr 29 15:29:30 helia_co just highlighted this on #meego-qa http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/TDriver/Getting_Started/Tutorial_for_test_creation Apr 29 15:29:33 I was cracking up during the 1st game yesterday. Apr 29 15:29:39 it is quite a nice overview of tdriver stuff Apr 29 15:30:44 fiferboy, there's no way I could've envisioned this sort of hitting coming out of Spring training. Apr 29 15:31:01 Especially with Longoria on the DL and Manny out. Apr 29 15:33:31 fiferboy, probably going to go when the Jays are in town next week. Apr 29 15:40:44 with the music player on n900-de the screen layout is odd Apr 29 15:44:53 GAN900: Nah, the Jays can never get a good handle on the Rays Apr 29 15:47:38 fiferboy, to a game. Apr 29 15:47:45 good afternoon guys Apr 29 15:48:00 \o Venemo_N900 Apr 29 15:48:13 o7 lcuk Apr 29 15:57:03 in the de music player, the scroll list is less responsive than other apps Apr 29 15:57:12 and tiny too Apr 29 15:57:27 the jazz coming out of the speakers is literally music to my ears though :D Apr 29 15:57:36 is it possible to watch netflix in meego? Apr 29 15:57:54 Pauleee, IDK which system are you running? Apr 29 15:58:05 the latest netbook version. Apr 29 15:58:12 1.1 Apr 29 15:58:46 not sure tbh Apr 29 15:58:58 best is to try it and let us know? Apr 29 15:59:17 hmm, i think netflix requires silverlight, but I don't know if silverlight can be installed in meego. Apr 29 15:59:33 no prob Apr 29 15:59:51 i have yet to see Netflix running on a Linux desktop Apr 29 15:59:54 Probably not. It doesn't work in Linux. Apr 29 16:00:02 Pauleee: try moonlight for silverlight Apr 29 16:00:15 it took a miracle for Netflix to bless the Boxee box (and those guys are a bunch of cunts..oh shit, did I say that out loud?) Apr 29 16:00:18 Pauleee: No, you can't run Netflix in any Linux. Apr 29 16:00:52 Pauleee: While Netflix is using silverlight for the bulk of the work, it still requires some ActiveX BS to actually run. Apr 29 16:01:16 well then, moonlight won't do any good there either Apr 29 16:01:26 TSCHAKeee: language :) Apr 29 16:01:33 doesnt netflix work on boxee box? Apr 29 16:01:38 arfoll_: again... Apr 29 16:01:39 pity :( thanks for the info, gabrbedd. Apr 29 16:01:58 Pauleee: It's possible someone's come up with some kind of hack with wine and moonlight... but I've yet to hear of a success. Apr 29 16:02:01 arfoll_: Netflix and Boxee went round and round for months just to get it to run on the boxee box...just to ALLOW them to do so. Apr 29 16:02:15 Pauleee: I would politely complain to Netflix. Apr 29 16:02:22 TSCHAKeee, yeah but i think on sodaville they have h/w accelerated silverlight Apr 29 16:02:24 Netflix does NOT want Linux support. Apr 29 16:02:26 not sure on the details Apr 29 16:02:39 meaning anything that isn't an appliance. Apr 29 16:02:43 Pauleee: You are their customer, after all. However, I've heard that they are hostile to Linux. Apr 29 16:02:57 hostile is an understatement Apr 29 16:03:01 they want protected media platforms only Apr 29 16:03:12 because they have made a lot of promises to content providers Apr 29 16:03:20 that's not necesarily their choice, they can get sued big by the content providers Apr 29 16:03:22 and are undercutting themselves financially like crazy Apr 29 16:03:26 just to pull it off. Apr 29 16:03:48 Linux desktop users will never Apr 29 16:03:51 ever Apr 29 16:03:53 ever Apr 29 16:03:55 get premium content. Apr 29 16:03:57 ever. Apr 29 16:04:11 some day you guys will actually realize that. Apr 29 16:04:51 Some day the media giants will collapse under their own weight. Apr 29 16:04:59 I know the types that run the content companies...and they are _SCARED_ of an operating system with an open media path. Apr 29 16:05:31 TSCHAKeee, bbc iplayer works fine on linux, so actually we allready have some protected content ;-) Apr 29 16:06:07 they have leveraged themselves to the hilt...to build a new business model based on the volatility of DRM, the fact that the tech will keep changing, and you will have to buy your media again and again Apr 29 16:06:11 THEY LIKE THIS ASPECT. Apr 29 16:06:16 and will fight tooth and nail for it Apr 29 16:06:21 because to them IT MEANS MORE MONEY. Apr 29 16:06:35 they will not give up. Apr 29 16:07:04 * CosmoHill likes that you can fast forward the copy right stuff on VHS Apr 29 16:07:07 these guys lied, cheated, stole their way to their jobs Apr 29 16:07:30 and they want to keep their jobs. Apr 29 16:08:09 TSCHAKeee ++ Apr 29 16:08:19 and anyone who thinks i'm stretching the truth...spend time in a room in a room with these guys. Apr 29 16:08:28 and read them. Apr 29 16:09:04 "douche chills:" isn't a strong enough phrase to encapsulate the pretention in the room. Apr 29 16:09:36 they have no creative aspects themselves, but they want to own all of our creativity. Apr 29 16:10:21 Apr 29 16:10:46 indeed Apr 29 16:11:05 yeah TSCHAKeee, I think you are right Apr 29 16:12:35 TSCHAKeee, but how do you really feel about content companies? lol :P Apr 29 16:16:09 TSCHAKeee, put a pad and pen infront of anyone and they can be creative Apr 29 16:17:08 lcuk: spend time in a movie script notes session. ;) Apr 29 16:18:28 Work with me here, people. WORK WITH ME. Apr 29 16:19:02 gabrbedd: what, you're hiring? Apr 29 16:19:02 :P Apr 29 16:19:29 Stskeeps: you never get my jokes. :-p Apr 29 16:50:09 lbt, on the #meego-boss channel it shows activities Apr 29 16:50:20 but is there a page outlining what each is? Apr 29 16:50:21 yep Apr 29 16:50:33 can a link be added to the /topic ? Apr 29 16:50:40 http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/OBS_Event_List Apr 29 16:51:14 thanks \o Apr 29 16:51:34 http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Participants too Apr 29 16:51:42 and http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition/BOSS Apr 29 16:52:17 how big memory card meego need? Apr 29 16:52:39 4gb is the normal described Apr 29 16:52:58 try to get one with high class Apr 29 16:54:03 i try install meego once but that never work Apr 29 16:55:05 rfvfr, I tend to install meego every day to check things out Apr 29 16:55:13 general workflow: Apr 29 16:55:49 choose latest acceptance image from: http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/ Apr 29 16:56:31 download the image itself mg-handset.....-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 Apr 29 16:56:53 get the kernel too mg-handset.....-vmlinuz-2.6.37-12.3.DE-adaptation-n900 Apr 29 16:57:23 plug in n900 booted to maemo with mmc inserted Apr 29 16:57:30 select disk mode Apr 29 16:57:33 run fdisk -l Apr 29 16:57:41 and find out which /dev device is yours Apr 29 16:58:03 (on my system it s /dev/sdc normally) Apr 29 16:58:36 run "dd of=/dev/sdc if=IMAGE_YOU_JUST_DOWNLOADED" Apr 29 16:58:40 and wait for a bit Apr 29 16:58:56 once completed, turn off n900 and remove battery Apr 29 16:59:15 (keep usb plugged in) Apr 29 16:59:27 run "sudo ./flasher-3.5 -l -b -k [kernel]" Apr 29 16:59:45 put battery in, let it flash, pop lid back on Apr 29 16:59:58 and you should have meego-de :) Apr 29 17:00:08 have to try Apr 29 17:00:31 * lcuk might have been simpler with just pointing to the wiki, but I use those steps normally Apr 29 17:00:55 sigh, more vapourware LG prototypes Apr 29 17:01:34 TSCHAKeee: afaik, according to the lg people that come around here, the ones they showed in their presentations aren't actually photoshops Apr 29 17:01:50 they're real meego arm Apr 29 17:02:25 i know they aren't... but this isn't the first time that LG has gone all the way to "trade show sample", with a Moblin or MeeGo device, only to say at the end, "uh..no." Apr 29 17:02:39 anyone remember the 990? Apr 29 17:02:42 research is always funny Apr 29 17:03:16 mhm Apr 29 17:03:46 on the other hand, I can understand Apr 29 17:03:56 is the any finnish meego user if i need help it easyer talk finnish Apr 29 17:04:35 I am starting to actually understand that Moorestown and Medfield are at best interim iterations of a more refined low power solution from Intel still 4-5 years out. Apr 29 17:05:09 mm, i wouldn't say 4-5 years Apr 29 17:05:47 you think? Apr 29 17:06:21 maybe 3.. but they are at least one more generation out. Apr 29 17:06:35 before they have something competitive with ARM. Apr 29 17:10:06 does meego work on this memory card Nokia MU-43, 8GB MicroSDHC? Apr 29 17:10:29 I think what matters more is the computer it is attached to Apr 29 17:10:29 should Apr 29 17:23:10 damn, venemo is not here Apr 29 17:23:27 I am booted into meego on my n900 Apr 29 17:23:41 and just trying to quickly follow venemos instructions Apr 29 17:23:42 * npm just paired wiimote with meego netbook Apr 29 17:23:56 how would I get it on my meego device? Apr 29 17:23:56 lcuk, 'wget http://sources.venemo.net/puzzle-master-1.2.2-1.fc15.src.rpm' 'rpmbuild --rebuild puzzle-master-1.2.2-1.fc15.src.rpm' 'rpm -i puzzle-master-*.rpm' Apr 29 17:23:56 hah, and that would work happily on the n900 too? Apr 29 17:25:41 so if netflix only works with boxee, can i install boxee in meego? Apr 29 17:26:48 * npm wonders if qtmobility accelerometers have been interfaced via wiimote (watching the motion sensor gui in 'wmgui' move as a waggle wiimote) Apr 29 17:36:16 * npm uses 'wminput', pairs wiimote, now it's my mouse :-) Apr 29 17:37:42 SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS: The MeeGo San Francisco conference planning committee is seeking to feature select quotes/phrases on conference signage. Please help us make this a community centric event! Apr 29 17:37:42 https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/T6P5C8H Apr 29 17:38:22 and the wii cursor keys work as remote control in xbmc ... this was too easy :-) Apr 29 17:38:49 MarcA-N: hehe, nice Apr 29 17:39:21 ;) Apr 29 17:44:14 my favorite question … If MeeGo was a super hero, it would be _______ [fill in the blank] Apr 29 17:44:40 i think we're bordering to something undead or zombie like, given how many times we've been declared dead Apr 29 17:44:43 Jesus? Apr 29 17:44:45 :P Apr 29 17:46:03 MarcA-N, isn't it supposed to be an industry event, though? Apr 29 17:47:15 GAN900, we would like to feature thoughts/quotes/phrases from the community Apr 29 17:47:34 "Where's the beef?" Apr 29 17:48:03 last event we featured quotes that were open source centric—keeping up with a similar vein we would like to see what might come from this simple questionnaire ;) Apr 29 17:49:17 "Openness is a 'flexible' concept" Apr 29 17:49:32 Jaffa: ah, good one - i'll steal that for my presentation ;) Apr 29 17:49:57 Stskeeps: :) Apr 29 17:50:24 * Jaffa is trying to work out how to summarise last night's debate, either for MWKN or his blog. Apr 29 17:50:42 i tried to read it with not enough caffeine in my blood, i should probably read it again Apr 29 17:51:57 Ooh, there should be some bullshit bingo cards for the keynotes :) Apr 29 17:53:47 MarcA-N: Nice concept, but is the superhero question pandering to the stereotype of the "community" being full of Comic Book Guy geeks? :-/ Apr 29 17:54:20 hah! I think it is just a reflection of my geeky self interest... Apr 29 17:54:22 Worst. Stereotype. Ever. Apr 29 17:54:26 :) Apr 29 17:54:27 jaffa, you mean you don't have a cape on now? Apr 29 17:54:32 hahah Apr 29 17:54:37 I know I do...err wait. Apr 29 17:54:47 lcuk: Do have my pants on the outside Apr 29 17:54:55 good good Apr 29 17:55:03 * lcuk was playing football with jake before Apr 29 17:55:13 thankfully he was not wearing his superman costume today Apr 29 17:55:14 does this mean I can't wear my cape to the conference? Apr 29 17:55:37 DawnFoster, if it is anything like maemo a cape should be required dress code Apr 29 17:55:58 maybe it's a portland thing - we even have super hero fried pies here: http://www.whiffies.com/ Apr 29 17:56:03 With top hat and cane. Apr 29 17:56:38 http://penguinbait.com/collectall6.jpg Apr 29 17:57:04 mmm, fried pies Apr 29 17:57:14 So, along with Jaffa's idea... perhaps it would be "Plastic Man" Apr 29 17:57:21 http://images.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1016&bih=664&q=plastic+man&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq= Apr 29 17:57:34 lcuk: that one is a classic Apr 29 17:57:57 gabrbedd: Mr Fantastic Apr 29 17:58:36 Maybe The Hulk: heart's in the right place, but tends to smash things up. Apr 29 17:58:56 It may not be a superhero that even exists yet.... Apr 29 17:59:08 Or the brainy one from The Watchmen: too clever for its own good Apr 29 17:59:09 I know I haven't revealed my superhero identity yet... Apr 29 17:59:17 MarcA-N: That would be appropriate Apr 29 17:59:25 Jaffa, x-men have a university and training academy for that sort of stuff Apr 29 18:00:07 Who knows what lies in the UX of Intel?? Apr 29 18:00:13 THE PHANTOM KNOWS! Apr 29 18:00:25 lcuk: MeeGo is one of the irritating mutant kids at Professor Xavier's School for the Gifted who thinks it's ready to go out and fight evil, but really isn't completely potty trained yet... Apr 29 18:01:18 Jaffa: hahaha Apr 29 18:01:18 ? Apr 29 18:03:14 Jaffa, but it is coming upto 1.2 Apr 29 18:03:47 if what you say is right, shouldn't it be at 0.7 or something Apr 29 18:04:17 at least they didn't end up on the YEAR.MM versioning Apr 29 18:04:33 lcuk: You know version numbers... Apr 29 18:05:09 is there a potty training testcase btw? Apr 29 18:05:31 lcuk: I think we're switching to pottyd for MeeGo 1.3 Apr 29 18:07:47 jaffa when we get fuel cells in the future a page in the manual about potty training to ensure no spillage might actually be needed Apr 29 18:08:27 Heh Apr 29 18:14:09 am I right in thinking that creating mandelbrot set in QML would be a bit tricky Apr 29 18:14:18 or does QML have direct pixel access? Apr 29 18:15:31 lcuk: *Lots* of Rectangle :-/ Apr 29 18:15:51 lcuk: Presuambly building up a image and rendering that. Apr 29 18:15:56 so it would have to be a native Qt QWidget Apr 29 18:16:08 http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/qmlcanvas Apr 29 18:16:28 ooh thank you w00t_ Apr 29 18:39:47 hi, is there a winner for the t-shirt contest? Apr 29 18:42:41 anidel, evening, not seen anything so far Apr 29 18:44:10 lcuk: hi.. ok.. may be today Apr 29 18:45:44 anidel: Maybe when you pick it up Apr 29 18:46:47 pick up ? there in San Francisco? Apr 29 18:46:49 :) Apr 29 18:47:12 Yeah Apr 29 18:47:17 sure Apr 29 18:47:21 I didn't get one in Dublin Apr 29 18:47:29 Or the brolly Apr 29 18:47:42 ah right.. I did get it, but was ordered from fiancee not to bring it back home Apr 29 18:47:51 (here design wasn't the one printed on it :D ) Apr 29 18:47:54 her Apr 29 18:49:30 btw can't download latest daily N900 DE, problems with repository.maemo.org ? Apr 29 18:50:17 I can browse all the way to : /meego/n900-de/daily/latest/images Apr 29 18:50:27 but the file I get is of 0 bytes.. I guess it's too short :) Apr 29 18:51:02 there's a problem with that symlink Apr 29 18:51:18 it's been noted and fixed when someone is around that can do it ;) Apr 29 18:51:23 :) Apr 29 18:51:32 ok I'll avoid the symlink Apr 29 18:52:24 thanks Apr 29 19:12:36 Can someone help me? I've booted up MeeGo, started up the Terminal, typed in "su root" and my password, and now I want to change the /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf file to look for the correct device on boot. To do this, I want to replace the entry “root=/dev/sdb2″ to say “root=/dev/sda2″. What do I need to type to do this? Apr 29 19:14:02 huh? Apr 29 19:14:08 you type what you want the file to be Apr 29 19:15:43 Pauleee: vi ?? Apr 29 19:15:50 Pauleee, just replace append ro root=/dev/sdb2 for append ro root=/dev/sda2 Apr 29 19:15:53 nano if it's installed Apr 29 19:18:11 oh... Pauleee you need a text editor... like vi or nano as gabrbedd pointed to you Apr 29 19:28:08 gabrbedd: how do i access vi? i don't see it under system tools or accessories... Apr 29 19:29:58 * CosmoHill wonders how long Pauleee has been using linux Apr 29 19:30:04 3 days! :) Apr 29 19:30:08 congrats Apr 29 19:30:14 can ya tell? :P hah Apr 29 19:30:33 * CosmoHill gets the baby spoon so he can feed Pauleee instructions so he grows up to be a big strong boy Apr 29 19:30:47 is vi a text editor program like notepad in Windows? Apr 29 19:30:55 not exactly Apr 29 19:31:10 it's like notepad if notepad was used under command prompt Apr 29 19:31:15 vi is a text editor, but its not a lot like notepad Apr 29 19:31:16 it's the most unlogical text editor in the world Apr 29 19:31:25 this is a subject to religious-like debate Apr 29 19:31:30 Myrtti: "ed" and "joe" Apr 29 19:31:35 is nano the same way command prompt based? Apr 29 19:31:49 yes, nano would probably be easier for you Apr 29 19:31:52 yup, but it is actually helpful to newbies Apr 29 19:31:58 gedit is good too Apr 29 19:32:03 Vi tends to trap newbies Apr 29 19:32:17 is gedit available otb in meego? Apr 29 19:32:35 on netbook it is Apr 29 19:32:38 afaik Apr 29 19:36:04 NSFW: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/emacs_comic.jpg Apr 29 19:36:40 or children for that matter Apr 29 19:37:02 Pauleee: $ nano /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf Apr 29 19:37:30 Pauleee: if that fails, you'll have to learn vi ($ vi /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf) Apr 29 19:37:40 Pauleee: or get really creative with sed. Apr 29 19:38:04 or give Ed and Joe a go Apr 29 19:38:16 install ssh, use winscp and notepad. Apr 29 19:38:24 * CosmoHill has no idea why he installs Ed on his distro Apr 29 19:39:03 i'm using the netbook version 1.1 trying to find the gedit program... where is it? Apr 29 19:39:14 or use cat and type real careful, so you get it right the first time:) Apr 29 19:39:28 sudo zypper install gedit Apr 29 19:39:32 you know the G in Gedit stands for Gnome which is not used in MeeGo Apr 29 19:39:42 isn't gedit the normal netbook editor? Apr 29 19:39:46 * lcuk books it to see Apr 29 19:40:00 there must be some kinda GUI text editor in meego Apr 29 19:40:22 echo and redirection Apr 29 19:40:30 meego doesn't use gnome, but meego does use some gnome apps Apr 29 19:40:42 Pauleee: lcuk: AFAIK gedit is on 1.1 Apr 29 19:40:43 http://xkcd.com/378/ Apr 29 19:40:56 yeah thought so Apr 29 19:40:56 # gedit /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf Apr 29 19:40:56 gabrbedd: Error: "gedit" is not a valid command. Apr 29 19:41:25 That is to say, gedit is on 1.1 netbook. Apr 29 19:41:38 boss: who asked you? Apr 29 19:41:39 gabrbedd: Error: "who" is not a valid command. Apr 29 19:42:10 vi /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf Apr 29 19:42:11 Bad robot! Apr 29 19:42:23 %s/sdb2/sda2/ Apr 29 19:42:25 :wq Apr 29 19:42:37 ancient runes! Apr 29 19:42:56 jophish_: Lion's Head right? Apr 29 19:43:06 * lcuk still sees the command line as mystical place and mentally puts on a wizards hat when trying anything Apr 29 19:44:39 # sed -i 's/sdb2/sda2/' /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf Apr 29 19:44:39 gabrbedd: Error: "sed" is not a valid command. Apr 29 19:44:48 buyer beware, though. Apr 29 19:45:05 Pauleee == boss ? Apr 29 19:45:10 no Apr 29 19:45:11 all this for changing 1 byte Apr 29 19:46:45 i'm no boss. yes, this is way too complicated for changin g1 byte of informatin! haha Apr 29 19:46:58 lcuk: Yeah, these command line incantations aren't sexy... but they get a lot more mileage than any of the GUI tools on any OS. Esp. when things aren't working right. Apr 29 19:47:15 * CosmoHill lives in the command line Apr 29 19:47:15 CosmoHill: I think boss is lbt's pet robot Apr 29 19:47:30 s/robot/gimp/ Apr 29 19:47:40 s/gimp/boss/ Apr 29 19:48:02 (everyone's faviour photo editor) Apr 29 19:48:17 gabrbedd: so if i type "# sed -i 's/sdb2/sda2/' /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf" in the terminal it will replace the entry “root=/dev/sdb2″ to say “root=/dev/sda2″? Apr 29 19:48:18 wait have I just insulted someone's boss? Apr 29 19:48:52 Pauleee: search/find/replace/ Apr 29 19:49:18 you don't actually type the # part Apr 29 19:49:50 Pauleee: yes. But you gotta be a little careful that it also doesnt change vmlinux-sdandup-foo to vmlinux-sdbndup-foo Apr 29 19:49:51 CosmoHill: no, it's a bot Apr 29 19:49:52 :-) Apr 29 19:50:06 thiago_home: oh good Apr 29 19:50:18 Right, the '#' part just means "the prompt you have when you are root" Apr 29 19:51:07 Pauleee: much safer to use nano, though. Apr 29 19:51:09 gabrbedd: well this is only half of the solution to my problem, I also have to open /etc/fstab and edit all entries that read “sdbN” to be “sdaN.” Apr 29 19:51:28 Pauleee: what does "which nano" give you? Apr 29 19:51:35 Or "which gedit" ?? Apr 29 19:52:05 gabrbedd: I'm using MeeGo Netbook v1.1 ... it doesn't come with gedit. :( Apr 29 19:52:15 i'm not even sure it comes with nano... Apr 29 19:52:30 yep boss is mine Apr 29 19:53:13 So... what does "which gedit" and "which nano" give you? (Because I'm 99.9% sure that Netbook v1.1 has gedit) Apr 29 19:53:51 [14:38] you know the G in Gedit stands for Gnome which is not used in MeeGo Apr 29 19:54:02 is that correct? Apr 29 19:54:11 yes and no Apr 29 19:54:22 gedit is in meego netbook Apr 29 19:54:30 Pauleee: I've just confirmed that gedit /is/ in netbook. Apr 29 19:55:01 I just want to be able to search and replace text in these two documents... will gedit allow me to do that? Apr 29 19:55:04 * CosmoHill pets boss Apr 29 19:55:39 * CosmoHill has just remembered that MeeGo doesn't include vim by default Apr 29 19:56:14 Pauleee: Open up a terminal (it's in the bottom group... System, I think) Apr 29 19:56:27 Pauleee: And type this: Apr 29 19:56:34 can't he use the same sed for the new file? Apr 29 19:56:38 sudo gedit /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf Apr 29 19:56:43 ok Apr 29 19:57:03 I think you can figure it out from there. Apr 29 19:58:05 oh my god, you saved me from a premature death! thank you gabrbedd. Apr 29 19:58:29 now this is something I can work with! Apr 29 19:59:02 yay Apr 29 19:59:59 Pauleee: you're welcome. :-) Apr 29 20:52:24 i am looking for help on this tablet with the meego Apr 29 20:53:28 i got this tablet from intel yesterday and some say that it has windows 7 on it Apr 29 20:53:42 but i cant find it at boot Apr 29 20:55:57 Serio__: To get the boot menu, you have to press [Tab] at the Right Time after the BIOS stuff. Your window of opportunity is very small (like .1 sec). Apr 29 20:56:12 Serio__: If it doesn't appear there... then W7 isn't on your device. Apr 29 20:56:19 exopc? you have to tap the "BSS" icon that appears briefly on startup Apr 29 20:56:29 then you can select what device to boot from Apr 29 20:56:54 I don't think they have windows loaded ... at least mine doesn't seem to. Apr 29 20:57:29 The whole point they were giving them away was to get us to write MeeGo apps. :) Apr 29 20:58:02 s/point/reason Apr 29 20:58:43 im looking for some developement help with the meego tablet tha Apr 29 20:59:03 * lcuk ponders how to get some games onto n900-de Apr 29 20:59:10 jake just picked it up and went looking for them Apr 29 20:59:37 lcuk: samegame sounds like a good candidate Apr 29 21:00:20 Intel gave out free tabs yesterday they say windows7 is on it i dont care for windows but ido want to see if it is on there but i have a prob at boot Apr 29 21:00:42 it may have come with a windows license but not installed.... mine came with a ancient meego installed on it Apr 29 21:01:39 yeah it doe got the license sticker on the back but another had woindows up on his and he said he booted into it at boot Apr 29 21:01:44 lcuk: my aunty did that with my laptop Apr 29 21:01:54 wasn't very pleased that solitaire was missing Apr 29 21:02:12 Serio__: so... have you tried the "BSS" or the the [Tab] thing yet? Apr 29 21:02:54 i'd guess these machines left the factory with windows preinstalled, and intel replaced it with meego on most of them, but some singular machines weren't upgraded with meego due to lack of time or accidentally Apr 29 21:02:57 yeah and it gave me a menu with a timer but after timed out it goes to shel what do i type at shll Apr 29 21:03:18 CosmoHill: get your aunty started on nethack Apr 29 21:03:39 I got a menu when I tapped "BSS". I don't know how one types [Tab] on a device with no keyboard. Apr 29 21:03:51 put in a usb keyboard..? Apr 29 21:04:02 (I don't care actually care about Windows, but now you have me curious) Apr 29 21:04:07 yeah i got usb keyboard Apr 29 21:04:30 Serio__: Then you tabbed a moment too early. Apr 29 21:04:31 it's possibl Apr 29 21:04:32 it does have bugs from factory Apr 29 21:04:36 * gabrbedd doesn't do windows Apr 29 21:04:43 the bios menu on that device is fun, it almost supports touch screen use, sort of :) Apr 29 21:04:50 possible that Intel just wanted to get development devices into the hands of developers Apr 29 21:05:08 with it being up to the developers to install meego Apr 29 21:05:39 It has meego on it, at least mine does. Apr 29 21:05:42 cosmo thats right but even when mounting the usb it does bring up gui or once it did from dl on site ten an error Apr 29 21:05:59 Pretty buggy, but hey, it's an alpha release and a development machine, no complaints. Apr 29 21:07:26 can the sdk be used on the ltablet or does it have to be used on a lap toop for dev Apr 29 21:07:27 when we (Intel) buy them, they've been coming preinstalled with windows (at least they were a month or so ago) Apr 29 21:07:38 ExoPC, I mean Apr 29 21:07:58 usually, we wipe them and install MeeGo Apr 29 21:08:17 thats the one i got df exopc Apr 29 21:08:38 so where is the window7 Apr 29 21:09:15 potentially wiped then Apr 29 21:09:16 maby a mixed batch? Apr 29 21:09:40 I think the key word was usually Apr 29 21:10:05 if I've got a load of computers to reconfigure it's possible for one to two to get missed Apr 29 21:10:12 Serio__: Boot meego, open a terminal. Then do 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda' Apr 29 21:10:13 depends if the people installing where drinking beer while waiting for the installation to finish :-) Apr 29 21:10:17 *you've Apr 29 21:10:17 when i do a fdisk -l it only says ext linux but im thinkink that if im in linux it wmay not post ntfs? Apr 29 21:10:28 pick up laptop, insert USB stick, boot, sip beer, power off Apr 29 21:10:30 Serio__: it'll show you all the partitions on your hard drive. Apr 29 21:10:33 s/laptop/tablet/ Apr 29 21:10:34 thiago_home meant: pick up tablet, insert USB stick, boot, sip beer, power off Apr 29 21:10:38 thiago_home: just wake up surrouned by beer cans and meego tablets... Apr 29 21:10:46 and that's just what my team at Intel does - others might be different Apr 29 21:10:53 pick up tablet, insert USB stick, sip beer, power off Apr 29 21:10:55 see? Apr 29 21:10:56 :) Apr 29 21:11:35 Serio__: If fdisk doesn't show any non-linux partitions... then you have no non-linux partitions. Apr 29 21:11:45 df question do i run the sdk on the tab or on my laptop to dev apps? Apr 29 21:11:52 Darnit, now that I know this thing can take a USB keyboard I might have to buy one of those cute mini keyboards. Apr 29 21:11:55 Serio__: fdisk understands windows partitions just fine. Apr 29 21:12:04 I always look at them and think "so cute, too bad I don't have a practical use for one." Apr 29 21:12:22 akk: tablets? yeah I have the same attitude Apr 29 21:12:34 akk: I'm not sure how you would dev meego on a device without having a USB keyboard. Apr 29 21:13:04 gabrbedd: I found that I could ssh in (after I pinged a bunch of addresses to find its IP address). Apr 29 21:13:06 I need a full size keyboard, heck, even oh phones I like my T9 keypads Apr 29 21:13:08 akk: As for a mini keyboard... all I can say is... F12 comes in handy a lot. :-) Apr 29 21:13:22 What does F12 do on meego? Apr 29 21:13:25 * CosmoHill looks at his F16 key Apr 29 21:13:39 how much are USB keyboard these days ? $8 or so ? Apr 29 21:13:40 akk: I know, I do all that, too. Still, keyboard cuts through a lot of crap. Apr 29 21:13:43 all I got the usb keyboard hooked up now and the virtual is blocking my words lol Apr 29 21:14:01 F12 comes in handy esp. with trying to get into some bioses. Apr 29 21:14:12 I read that as biscuits Apr 29 21:14:17 berndhs: if you want crap Apr 29 21:14:25 Ah ... I probably won't be doing much bios development. :) Apr 29 21:14:32 you should get Das Keyboard Ultimate, it's completely blank Apr 29 21:14:42 imagine how you'd feel if your BIOS told you: Press F13 to continue. Apr 29 21:15:04 how do you disable the virtual keyboard on this meego tablet? Apr 29 21:15:11 akk: Well, I've had to play with a lot of different tablets, and to boot to USB some BIOSes require that you press F12 Apr 29 21:15:17 thiago_home: my compute goes "Keyboard not detected: Press F12 to continue" Apr 29 21:15:25 haha Apr 29 21:15:39 CosmoHill: oh yeah, those are the best ones Apr 29 21:15:53 then I installed Win7 SP1 and it's not booted since :( Apr 29 21:16:28 the worst is when there is a keyboard and your poking F12 violently Apr 29 21:16:41 how can i disable this v keyboard? im using usb now Apr 29 21:16:57 serio____, tech support answer: reboot. Apr 29 21:17:15 if someone finds out how it can be added to the FAQ :) Apr 29 21:17:21 aiiight lc Apr 29 21:17:25 no, he lives in a VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER! Apr 29 21:17:26 Serio__: There's a process running called meegi-im-uiserver or something like that. Apr 29 21:17:29 :P :) Apr 29 21:17:35 oh crap wrong window Apr 29 21:17:40 If you kill that process, the keyboard will stop bothering you. Apr 29 21:17:49 TSCHAKeee: if that's true then he'd of drowned last month Apr 29 21:20:08 ah, I wondered what that uiserver process was. That's just the soft keyboard? Apr 29 21:23:48 question when boot screen shows up; then it says 'efi' so then i go to the efi it give an option for startup then times out then has 'shell'. anyone know what next? im trying to detect a Windows partition on this tab, i ran fdisk, it didnt say ntfs format, but it did say pat1 over runs to another or no end to part1 Apr 29 21:24:49 Serio__: pastebin your fstab results, and someone here can tell you for sure. Apr 29 21:25:02 Serio__: Doh... I mean fdisk Apr 29 21:25:08 i suppose this tab does not have windows and that my friend got lucky with his cuz we got them free yesterday at intel conf Apr 29 21:26:49 I'm guessing the one you saw was an earlier one that explicitly came with windows. Some people yesterday already had tablets they brought. Apr 29 21:32:49 hah, found a "About my Nxx" screen on exopc Apr 29 21:34:24 toninikkanen: :-) Apr 29 21:34:53 also a phone settings screen Apr 29 21:34:55 both empty Apr 29 21:35:20 w00t_ just convinced me to add an informal show & tell demo space in the hacker lounge at the conference on Monday at 8:30pm: http://sf2011.meego.com/program Apr 29 21:35:20 maybe this device is really a phone, i'll try some sidetalking just in case Apr 29 21:35:29 \o/ Apr 29 21:35:39 if you have something cool that you want to bring & show off, that's your chance :) Apr 29 21:35:47 * w00t_ and special will have something fun to show off Apr 29 21:36:54 DawnFoster: might it be worth sending a quick mail to meego-(?)@ to let the geeky masses know? Apr 29 21:37:32 excellent idea! Apr 29 21:37:33 w00t_: it's not nice to make fun of people's weight. :-p Apr 29 21:37:41 I think I'll send something out on Monday Apr 29 21:38:06 I want to finish writing a blog post with other conference updates & maybe I'll send them all out as one update Apr 29 21:38:25 * gabrbedd was referring to "geeky masses" -- since his jokes typically fall dead to the ground. Apr 29 21:38:27 :-) Apr 29 21:39:07 gabrbedd: for what it's worth, it took me a minute, but I laughed :p Apr 29 21:39:26 oh god Apr 29 21:39:29 (I just got it) Apr 29 21:41:07 gabrbedd: I got it the first time, but you feeling the need to explain it was even funnier that the original joke ;) Apr 29 21:41:19 lol Apr 29 21:41:53 special: DawnFoster :-) Apr 29 21:42:34 At least it wasn't a religious joke. Apr 29 21:42:56 (geeky masses, har) Apr 29 21:43:42 akk: hahaha... i like that Apr 29 21:44:35 DawnFoster: Well, this channel has revealed that most of my jokes are English language puns or draw from American Culture... so more often than not, they go misunderstood here. :-) Apr 29 21:45:00 * lbt liked the tautology akk .... Apr 29 21:45:18 gabrbedd: yeah, this wasn't the first time I've seen you explain them :) Apr 29 21:45:40 I'm often lurking here more frequently than people realize Apr 29 21:46:03 * lbt has a special Dawn-indicator Apr 29 21:46:15 isn't that called the sun? Apr 29 21:46:46 * gabrbedd is trying to withhold them -- but they still slip out... Apr 29 21:46:51 I feel special :) Apr 29 21:46:59 does w00t_ know? Apr 29 21:47:13 lcuk: ha! Apr 29 21:47:17 :< Apr 29 21:47:49 rofl Apr 29 21:47:52 * lcuk slides beers over Apr 29 21:47:53 back on line....so any dev in the irc Apr 29 21:48:08 friday night's a good night for fun times on irc Apr 29 21:48:37 do i run sdk on tablet hooked to laptop to dev/ Apr 29 21:49:57 i want to develop apps for the meego sbut yeah just starting so i need to know about the sdk set up Apr 29 21:50:12 serio__: There is more than one way to do it. Personally, I usually SSH into the machine and use X11-forwarding. Apr 29 21:50:27 sdk is normally on the main pc Apr 29 21:50:47 serio__: I also use emacs and am a command line junkie... so YMMV Apr 29 21:51:17 lc im trying to figure otu if i need to dl the sdk on the tablet or on the laptop Apr 29 21:51:27 gabrbedd: Whew, I'm glad to hear there are meego devs who use emacs and not just the ide. Apr 29 21:51:29 serio__: I think others will develop on their main system/laptop using the virtual SDK's, and then deploy to the device for further testing. Apr 29 21:52:03 * lcuk builds on device usually Apr 29 21:52:26 gbedd, thats what one was tellin me to use it as a vt any other thousghts on the set up? Apr 29 21:52:33 though the qt creator ide does let you see how apps will look on symbian too :D Apr 29 21:53:25 akk: :-) Though QtCreator is very tempting these days. Apr 29 21:54:17 serio__: If you mean a VT directly on the device... no, I don't mean that. But I suppose that's an option. Apr 29 21:54:57 akk: gabrbedd: don't suppose you use org mode? Apr 29 21:55:15 i mean no one wants to dev on a vitual key board but im usin usb but what im saying is basically if i must put the sdk on to the laptop thenrun tablet as a vt Apr 29 21:55:15 serio__: I mean logging into the machine remotely via ssh (like remote desktop, but no GUI) Apr 29 21:55:24 lbt: Haven't heard of it... what is it? Apr 29 21:55:32 :O Apr 29 21:55:38 lbt: No, read about it but haven't tried it. Apr 29 21:55:44 http://orgmode.org/ Apr 29 21:55:49 it's like... Apr 29 21:55:57 epiphany Apr 29 21:56:22 I'm not sure I'm organized enough to use org mode. :) Apr 29 21:56:29 lbt: sweet, I'll be checking that out for sure. Apr 29 21:56:36 yeah.... I'm trying Apr 29 21:56:39 * gabrbedd has been using custom XML stuff Apr 29 21:56:43 it's self-discipline Apr 29 21:56:49 but it's *so* sweet Apr 29 21:57:06 all-text... but structured and parseable Apr 29 21:57:27 I do lists like that sometimes, but just with "return space space star space" :) Apr 29 21:57:46 yep ... it lets you do that Apr 29 21:58:00 but then it does hiding and branch movements and ... Apr 29 21:58:08 serio__: Then you're saying the same as me. Apr 29 21:58:09 and then you add dates and TODO flag Apr 29 21:58:11 and ... Apr 29 21:58:19 serio__: And you can put the SDK on both. Apr 29 21:58:20 anyhow... the answer is "not yet" ... nm Apr 29 21:58:39 serio__: Some people put it on the tablet and compile there (which is the easiest way to get started). Apr 29 21:59:37 So, speaking of developing directly on the device, is there an emacs for meego yet? Or a full-featured vim? Apr 29 21:59:45 yep Apr 29 21:59:50 emacs is in core Apr 29 21:59:53 which is insane Apr 29 21:59:56 but there you go Apr 29 21:59:56 excellent! Apr 29 22:00:17 In the built-in terminal, or does it have its own window? Apr 29 22:00:22 I wonder if it's built for n900... Apr 29 22:00:30 honestly don't know Apr 29 22:00:46 akk: emacs and emacs-el have always been there (for x86 at least) Apr 29 22:00:59 I use tramp Apr 29 22:01:04 akk: Yes, its gooey. Apr 29 22:01:14 (GUI) Apr 29 22:01:22 DawnFoster: ^^ Apr 29 22:01:48 Great -- I want to do some python hacking, and it'll be great to be able to make small changes locally. Apr 29 22:02:15 lbt: eh... I've found that nobody gets that one. I always have to explain it. Apr 29 22:02:39 I thought gooey was fairly obvious. Apr 29 22:03:50 akk: :-) We should go get a beer some time. Apr 29 22:03:51 phaeron: boss-participant-prechecks ... seems to not be updated on MINT:Testing ? Apr 29 22:04:19 phaeron: wake up ... it's only 1am there... Apr 29 22:13:03 * CosmoHill pulls out a bottle of red bull Apr 29 22:13:44 where are you flying to? Apr 29 22:23:38 lbt: *yawn* which precheck do you want, I didn't update the package with the latest ones yet Apr 29 22:24:42 does the lenovo s10-3t have gigabit ethernet? (says it does)... anybody getting it to run at gigabit rate on meego? (mine runs at 100Mbms) Apr 29 22:25:17 phaeron: I was just going to setup the new names and start on the DE process Apr 29 22:25:22 * gabrbedd only has a 100Mbps router Apr 29 22:25:53 gabrbedd: I've been looking at a TP-Link router with GbE and 300Mb/s wifi Apr 29 22:26:04 npm: so... dunno. Apr 29 22:26:26 ah, misread, ignore me Apr 29 22:26:49 lbt: what names ? Apr 29 22:27:37 http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Participants Apr 29 22:29:59 ok sec Apr 29 22:31:49 DawnFoster: now we've moved to OSU is the forum/email bridge actively back on the TODO list ? Apr 29 22:32:29 lbt we should probably take another look at it Apr 29 22:32:45 but I'm guessing we have other higher priorities right now Apr 29 22:32:53 thanks Apr 29 22:32:55 maybe after the conference Apr 29 22:33:16 well, I feel that we already have 3 different communities Apr 29 22:33:20 mail/irc/forum Apr 29 22:33:30 and it's hard to bridge them Apr 29 22:33:46 4 Apr 29 22:33:55 office Apr 29 22:34:06 eg I don't think our community OBS development work is present in the forums Apr 29 22:34:27 but I agree that it's not likely to be adressed pre-SF :) Apr 29 22:34:51 lcuk: true Apr 29 22:35:11 forum is easier to solve - who else knows obs enough to writeup a forum posting which informs and encourages debate? Apr 29 22:35:13 yeah and with everyone distracted by release + conference I don't even want to *think* about this until April :) Apr 29 22:35:26 we're in April Apr 29 22:35:28 * lbt looks at calendar... Apr 29 22:35:29 pssst it is april 29 Apr 29 22:35:45 oops - I meant June Apr 29 22:35:56 dang multi-tasking Apr 29 22:36:07 well - maybe put it on the CO page again? Apr 29 22:36:13 and it's not quite late enough here for a stiff drink :) Apr 29 22:36:27 mmm Apr 29 22:36:32 Drambuie Apr 29 22:37:37 mmm Apr 29 22:37:39 Galliano Apr 29 22:38:14 DawnFoster, if it was late enough, what would you have? Apr 29 22:40:28 well, I'm going to happy hour in an hour or so and plan to have a gin & tonic Apr 29 22:40:38 the gin is made right at the pub Apr 29 22:40:43 and it's delicious Apr 29 22:40:58 \o/ Apr 29 22:44:39 sabotage: ping Apr 29 22:45:01 huh, wha? Apr 29 22:45:04 sabotage: can you talk to X-Fade about scratch? Would love to get it into Apps Apr 29 22:45:21 ok Apr 29 22:45:21 I've been holding onto your SR until we can do something Apr 29 22:45:44 * sabotage logs into public OBS for first time in months Apr 29 22:45:50 *g* Apr 29 22:46:20 -ENOSR Apr 29 22:46:22 sabotage: tssssss disappointing Apr 29 22:46:44 meh... day job blah blah... Apr 29 22:46:46 ;) Apr 29 22:46:52 sabotage: c.obs Apr 29 22:46:58 the real one ;) Apr 29 22:47:13 huh? Apr 29 22:47:25 sabotage: with trunk brancing atm, why bother checking OBS today? lol Apr 29 22:47:53 https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=scratch&project=home%3Asabotage Apr 29 22:48:28 lbt: sure, but what is c.obs? Apr 29 22:48:35 community obs Apr 29 22:48:37 community obs? Apr 29 22:48:40 cobs Apr 29 22:48:45 == build.pub, no? Apr 29 22:48:51 correct Apr 29 22:48:51 oui Apr 29 22:48:58 exactement Apr 29 22:49:23 you should just have had an SR decline Apr 29 22:49:27 ok.. we're on the same page then... I wasn't speaking about build.meego... that I'm on daily (sadly) Apr 29 22:50:03 X-Fade: ping Apr 29 22:50:25 X-Fade: lbt says I need to talk to you about SR'ing stratch Apr 29 22:51:27 lbt: do I really need to talk to him though... looks like Apps exists, so I should just SR to it now, right? Apr 29 22:54:03 sabotage: we're working on automating the process - so it'll be automatically verified and accepted Apr 29 22:54:24 so I'm not sure what target he wants the SR to Apr 29 22:54:39 bod Apr 29 22:54:43 er Apr 29 22:54:46 nod Apr 29 22:55:08 (eg in Nokia we did an SR to Trunk ... the automation then branched to testing and did loads of image builds... if all was well it accepted to Trunk) Apr 29 22:56:34 lbt: you forgot the 'in theory' bit Apr 29 22:56:35 lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/154 Apr 29 22:56:36 ;) Apr 29 22:57:14 w00t_: no theory - this was production Apr 29 22:57:37 it's miles ahead of MeeGo core :) Apr 29 22:57:46 * w00t_ remembers a few cases where things still didn't go to plan Apr 29 22:57:54 AFAIK the automation there is "send an email" Apr 29 22:58:15 w00t_: oh sure... we were still ramping up Apr 29 22:58:45 but we handled a *lot* of SR->image->test->accept cycles Apr 29 22:59:05 the fact that no-one wrote any test cases wasn't our issue Apr 29 22:59:16 lol Apr 29 22:59:22 nor was the fact that the test system was hardcoded to return "pass" Apr 29 22:59:41 apt moment: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/TDriver/Getting_Started/Tutorial_for_test_creation Apr 29 22:59:44 I had test cases Apr 29 22:59:47 almost Apr 29 22:59:57 almost Apr 29 22:59:59 indeed Apr 29 23:00:07 they just didn't work outside of Harmattan at the time Apr 29 23:00:10 lcuk: mmm Apr 29 23:00:22 close enough... Apr 29 23:00:22 :P Apr 29 23:00:28 * lcuk likes the tdriver stuff :) Apr 29 23:00:31 actually we ran all the available test cases , just that at that time testrunner-lite had a nice bug where it didn't know about dbus address or Xsession or Display Apr 29 23:00:40 * w00t_ heads back to QML Apr 29 23:00:54 so all of the tests were .. moot point Apr 29 23:00:57 I think the first time I ran testrunner stuff, I made a testcase for testrunner Apr 29 23:01:41 phaeron: lcuk do we need OTS for this? Apr 29 23:01:59 OTS is being used in meego core I learnt Apr 29 23:02:01 lbt, for the tdriver stuff? Apr 29 23:02:09 lcuk: yes Apr 29 23:02:19 I thought this was in use also Apr 29 23:02:29 lcuk: DE Apr 29 23:02:35 it is how we get the qa reports afterall Apr 29 23:03:05 lcuk: how do the images break so much then Apr 29 23:03:06 yeah but doesn't OTS run against real HW ? Apr 29 23:03:28 I don't know lbt Apr 29 23:03:43 hell there were points in time when the meego images wouldn't even _build_ Apr 29 23:03:46 shall have to ask timoph or one of the numerous #meego-qa guys when they are around Apr 29 23:03:57 and I *thought* I heard OTS was being NIH'ed Apr 29 23:04:52 auke: you may know this... is OTS still being developed ? Apr 29 23:05:48 http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-quality-assurance/ots Apr 29 23:06:00 april 29th being in the commit log would indicate, yes Apr 29 23:06:13 OTS? Apr 29 23:06:40 lcuk: I'm more thinking post-nokia investment Apr 29 23:07:00 auke: the automated test system Apr 29 23:07:18 but since you ask you clearly won't know :) Apr 29 23:07:19 qa is driven by Digia Apr 29 23:07:53 * lcuk thought anyway Apr 29 23:08:03 lbt: I no QA guru am Apr 29 23:08:12 lcuk: yes ... I *thought* I heard investment was dropped for it. I could be wrong Apr 29 23:08:33 auke: fingers... pies... you... Apr 29 23:09:40 I'll take the pies Apr 29 23:10:09 * lcuk hopes pies are not like doors Apr 29 23:10:35 phaeron: did you update the changelog in that SR ? Apr 29 23:11:39 which changelog , the debian yes Apr 29 23:12:12 ta .. not used to reading the SR diff. Apr 29 23:17:50 phaeron: we need better python interface to the wi... Apr 29 23:18:53 probably yes Apr 29 23:19:25 before we write too many participants Apr 29 23:20:12 ok bed .... o/ Apr 29 23:20:19 ciao Apr 29 23:36:33 hello, i'm sitting at a exopc with meego teblat ux Apr 29 23:37:00 and i think its an old version since ther kernal is from february Apr 29 23:37:28 now i want to update the system and downloaded an image from 26th of april Apr 29 23:37:40 how can i install it? Apr 29 23:38:05 usb stick - boot from it Apr 29 23:38:14 i've put it on the pendrive and selected the pendrive in the BBS screeen Apr 29 23:38:20 also, check the wiki for general documentation Apr 29 23:38:30 on how to put images on usb sticks etc. Apr 29 23:38:49 * auke is afk - weekend Apr 29 23:39:08 in the installation instructions it sais i have to make the image bootable, but i don't know how to do this Apr 29 23:39:25 can you tell me an exact page for mor information Apr 29 23:40:46 gecko, Apr 29 23:41:40 from this page https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook get "Image Writer" tool, I use it to create usb images for various machines Apr 29 23:42:11 and making it bootable beyond that is normally only a matter of the target computer disk boot order Apr 29 23:42:39 is it for linnux or windows? Apr 29 23:42:50 linux Apr 29 23:42:58 but there are actually windows instructions on that page Apr 29 23:43:17 afaik, those are pretty much standard for any usb key installation Apr 29 23:43:23 is it ok to put the image as file on the drivwe or do i have to write the content to the usb drive? Apr 29 23:43:34 you have to write the contents Apr 29 23:43:52 otherwise, the computer will see a FAT data disk Apr 29 23:43:55 ah nok, so i can also do it with dd? Apr 29 23:43:59 instead of a bootable one Apr 29 23:44:04 yes Apr 29 23:44:11 the page lists the various things Apr 29 23:44:12 thx Apr 29 23:44:26 \o Apr 29 23:44:43 ok i will clock on the link now, i don't know if it will quit this web irc client in the meego browser Apr 29 23:44:50 or if this tab will still run in background Apr 29 23:45:28 right clock on the link if you like ;) Apr 29 23:45:50 i longpressed on the link Apr 29 23:57:46 http://www.blueandblond.com/archives/page.305.html Apr 30 00:11:09 SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS: The MeeGo San Francisco conference planning committee is seeking to feature select quotes/phrases on conference signage. Please help us make this a community centric event! https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/T6P5C8H Apr 30 01:38:54 i have downloaded the image from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ and wrote it to a pendrive with dd bs=4096 if= of= Apr 30 01:39:41 but when i start the tablet and blick on BBS and select the pendrive i have to wait a verly long time and than finally i think the old version starts Apr 30 01:39:55 how can i find out, which version i'm running? Apr 30 01:45:14 white_gecko: (1) the name of the image file has the version number (which is 1.1.99.4.20110426.4 at the moment) Apr 30 01:45:47 white_gecko: (2) you can do `cat /etc/meego-release` from inside meego. Apr 30 01:46:23 white_gecko: However, /etc/meego-release is not always very accurate during development cycles... but is reliable after major releases. Apr 30 02:34:46 white_gecko: Downloaded the image and I'm seeing pretty much the same thing. It''s sitting there with the ISOLINUX line and nothing beyond there (so far). Apr 30 02:41:31 white_gecko: over 10 min sitting at the ISOLINUX prompt ... I don't think it's going anywhere. Apr 30 02:47:08 akk: no, if it stalls at the ISOLINUX prompt... it's stalled. It usually means it couldn't find the kernel or config file or something. Apr 30 02:48:27 Maybe the image is bad, or it downloaded wrong or something. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 30 02:59:58 2011