**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 03 02:59:58 2011
May 03 04:31:28 <gandhijee> hey, where can i download the latest sources to build meego
May 03 04:33:06 <gabrbedd> gandhijee: MeeGo is an entire Linux distro... and the sources are published on http://repo.meego.com
May 03 04:35:09 <gandhijee> yes i know that it is an entire distro....
May 03 04:53:06 <iekku> morning
May 03 04:56:17 <berndhs> howdy
May 03 05:00:18 <dm8tbr> moaning
May 03 05:11:04 <gabrbedd> i'm turning back into a pumpkin.... good night all!
May 03 05:11:14 <Stskeeps> nite
May 03 05:11:18 <berndhs> good night
May 03 05:12:08 <RST38h> Moo, Stskeeps
May 03 05:12:25 <Stskeeps> morn
May 03 05:35:58 <poutsi> anybody happen to know how to disable automatic display brightness control in tablet dailies?
May 03 05:36:02 <poutsi> specifically on the exopc
May 03 05:46:35 <Stskeeps> so, now we have rpm4, rpm5 and rpm6?
May 03 05:46:45 <Stskeeps> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mandrake.cooker.devel/311020
May 03 05:47:38 <araujo> just three .......
May 03 05:48:05 <berndhs> so 6 is better than 5, right ?
May 03 06:24:31 <HyogiGim> hi
May 03 06:29:26 <Stskeeps> hi
May 03 06:40:41 <HyogiGim> hi!! Stskeeps :)
May 03 06:40:57 <Stskeeps> so what brings you here?
May 03 06:41:14 <HyogiGim> one question ...
May 03 06:41:18 <HyogiGim> TT
May 03 06:41:40 <HyogiGim> i make meego image using mic-image-creator
May 03 06:42:11 <HyogiGim> but mic-image-creator shows this error message
May 03 06:42:31 <HyogiGim> FatalError: Failed to run mic inside bootstrap environment. Return code: -11
May 03 06:42:51 <Stskeeps> ok, please use pastie.org service, put the mic log in there and give us the resulting url
May 03 06:43:05 <HyogiGim> ok!
May 03 06:45:10 <HyogiGim> http://pastie.org/1859469
May 03 06:45:57 <Stskeeps> Sage: have you seen that error before?
May 03 06:46:17 <HyogiGim> yes.
May 03 06:46:33 <Stskeeps> ah, i wasn't asking you, was asking the local mic2 expert :)
May 03 06:46:49 <HyogiGim> i tried to make some image 1.1.99.20110426 handset image
May 03 06:47:24 <HyogiGim> at that time, i saw same error
May 03 06:47:25 <Sage> Stskeeps, HyogiGim: That might be just bootstrap issue. You should try to cleanup the bootstrap: rm -rf /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/
May 03 06:47:45 <HyogiGim> ah..sorry.. ^^
May 03 06:48:00 <HyogiGim> already i did
May 03 06:48:11 <Sage> didn't help?
May 03 06:48:13 <HyogiGim> but .. continuously shows this error
May 03 06:48:35 <Sage> what does file /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/bin/bash say?
May 03 06:48:44 <HyogiGim> no, didn't work..
May 03 06:49:28 <Sage> ?
May 03 06:49:32 <HyogiGim> so, i made bootstrap using --build-bootstrap -bootstrap=/path  option
May 03 06:49:43 <Sage> $ file /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/bin/bash
May 03 06:49:43 <Sage> /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped
May 03 06:51:14 <Stskeeps> HyogiGim: please run 'file /var/cache/meego-bootstrap/bin/bash'
May 03 06:51:15 <HyogiGim> ..
May 03 06:51:28 <HyogiGim> sorry wait
May 03 06:52:02 <HyogiGim> hmm...
May 03 06:52:11 <Sage> ARM? :)
May 03 06:52:30 <HyogiGim> i can't paste...
May 03 06:53:19 <HyogiGim> var/cache/meego-bootstrap/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped
May 03 06:53:32 <Sage> ok, that should be fine.
May 03 06:54:53 <HyogiGim> but, when i use this bootstrap...
May 03 06:55:57 <HyogiGim> print same error msg.
May 03 06:56:25 <HyogiGim> i'm korean.. eng. is not good.. plz understand. :)
May 03 06:57:04 <Stskeeps> HyogiGim: your english is fine :)
May 03 06:57:15 <HyogiGim> thank you
May 03 06:57:18 <HyogiGim> i'm in LGE
May 03 06:57:35 <Stskeeps> yes, we could see that from your IP address. hmm.
May 03 06:57:45 <HyogiGim> oh. :)
May 03 06:58:15 <Sage> HyogiGim: what distro are you running?
May 03 06:58:22 <Stskeeps> Sage: -11 is EAGAIN (try again), that's odd
May 03 06:58:29 <Sage> ah, opensuse
May 03 06:58:40 <HyogiGim> i use openSUSE 11.2
May 03 06:58:58 * Sage wonders if he has opensuse VM somewhere to test.
May 03 06:59:08 <HyogiGim> and mic2 is 0.24.9
May 03 06:59:28 <ericlr> lbt: I'm almighty :P
May 03 06:59:50 <HyogiGim> last week, we met Anas Nashif
May 03 07:00:35 <Stskeeps> yeah, he handles build.meego.com - friendly guy :)
May 03 07:01:04 <HyogiGim> yeah really good guy
May 03 07:01:26 <Stskeeps> but anyway, maybe you can try prefix the mic2 command with strace -fF
May 03 07:01:35 <Sage> HyogiGim: try without these: "-d i --build-bootstrap --bootstrap=bootstrap" and add "-d -i" also
May 03 07:01:42 <Stskeeps> or try sage's first
May 03 07:02:12 <Sage> I'm using the defaults for bootstrap build/dir and haven't had any problems so maybe it is that that is causing your problems.
May 03 07:02:13 <HyogiGim> he taught about OBS
May 03 07:02:35 <HyogiGim> ok
May 03 07:03:16 <HyogiGim> i'll try this
May 03 07:08:29 <HyogiGim> ah..same problem..
May 03 07:10:30 <HyogiGim> i'll reboot my system and try again
May 03 07:54:06 <slaine> good morning all
May 03 07:55:06 <Stskeeps> good morning slaine
May 03 07:55:07 <Stskeeps> how are things?
May 03 07:57:03 <slaine> Great
May 03 07:57:15 <slaine> just back from a week off last week
May 03 07:57:24 <slaine> totally unplugged
May 03 07:57:31 <slaine> just catching up with everything
May 03 07:57:57 <slaine> how's the DE image coming along, the alpha looked great compared to some of the last images I'd tried, which was a while ago
May 03 07:58:02 <Stskeeps> DE alpha is quite nice
May 03 07:58:25 <slaine> yeah, great work there
May 03 08:14:32 <thp> Stskeeps: do we have a pin entry dialog already? ;)
May 03 08:14:54 <Stskeeps> thp: supposedly there's a contribution ticket about it, so it exists somewhere ;)
May 03 08:15:41 <thp> great :) afaik calling and 3g works already when the pin is disabled? didn't dare to try it out myself yet
May 03 08:15:50 <Stskeeps> right
May 03 08:15:54 <Stskeeps> 3g not sure
May 03 08:16:04 <Stskeeps> it does in connman/ofono but can't recall if we hae UI
May 03 08:16:24 <Sage> we have in tablet ;)
May 03 08:28:22 <Venemo> good morning
May 03 08:28:39 <Venemo> Stskeeps, your talk was good, I very much agree with your point. thanks for giving me a link
May 03 08:28:45 <Stskeeps> good
May 03 08:28:48 <HyogiGim> i restarted my system and reinstall mic2... but i can't fix this problem TT
May 03 08:28:59 <Stskeeps> HyogiGim: does normal i586 image work?
May 03 08:29:01 <Stskeeps> worth testing
May 03 08:29:18 <Venemo> Stskeeps, you use the word 'whatever' too much, but that's the only negative criticism I can say about it :P
May 03 08:29:28 <Stskeeps> Venemo: yeah..
May 03 08:29:30 <HyogiGim> ok
May 03 08:29:43 <Stskeeps> HyogiGim: worth checking, then we can remove the arm part of it
May 03 08:29:43 <HyogiGim> thank you very much!
May 03 08:30:35 <HyogiGim> i don't understand about remove the arm part
May 03 08:33:30 <Stskeeps> HyogiGim: as in, to help narrow down where the problem happens
May 03 08:33:36 <Stskeeps> if it happens in i586 too, it isn't in the ARM part of mic2
May 03 08:34:26 <HyogiGim> ah! ok :) thanks your advice
May 03 08:40:52 <lcuk2> morning \o
May 03 08:41:12 <Venemo> hello lcuk2 :)
May 03 08:43:01 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 03 08:43:11 <Venemo> morning Jaffa
May 03 08:43:52 <Jaffa> alterego: QML Dialler was in MWKN :-) http://www.mwkn.net/2011/18/announce.html#announce-1
May 03 08:47:55 <alterego> Jaffa: oh, cool, thanks :)
May 03 08:50:31 <Jaffa> alterego: No probs :)
May 03 09:05:53 <khertan> Someone know how to reset the wifi key on meego n900 de edition ? as i change it ... and can't change it on interface ... try to connect and failed :)
May 03 09:06:52 <Stskeeps> khertan: /var/lib/connman/default.profile maybe - we have a fix in queue for that :)
May 03 09:07:02 <lcuk> khertan, hi, there is a bug atm
May 03 09:07:04 <Stskeeps> and the UI sucks, yes, we are looking at replacing it
May 03 09:07:39 <khertan> Stskeeps: thx
May 03 09:08:30 <lcuk> bug 14598 fwiw
May 03 09:08:32 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14598 is not accessible
May 03 09:08:48 <Stskeeps> err..
May 03 09:08:49 <Stskeeps> :P
May 03 09:08:53 <lcuk> bug 14958 even
May 03 09:08:55 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14958 maj, Medium, 1.1.99.0, michael.leibowitz, NEW, [Trunk:Daily] Unable to change wrong wifi password input.
May 03 09:09:07 <lcuk> see, even the bugzilla cannot access password
May 03 09:10:38 <khertan> hum rm the file wasn't a good idea
May 03 09:10:39 <khertan> :)
May 03 09:10:59 <khertan> pretty hard to use vi without shortcut for exec
May 03 09:11:00 <khertan> :)
May 03 09:11:06 <khertan> s/exec/escape
May 03 09:29:31 * lcuk twiddles his thumbs a bit
May 03 09:31:02 <alterego> Heh, bored?
May 03 09:31:36 <lcuk> waiting for -de image to come in and checked bugs for today
May 03 09:31:47 <alterego> Cool
May 03 09:31:58 <lcuk> so going to shops but also waiting on fam
May 03 09:32:11 * lcuk is flying helicopter instead and just landed it on the laptop
May 03 09:32:33 * alterego lols
May 03 09:32:50 <alterego> I should get a toy heli :)
May 03 09:33:01 <alterego> I liked the look of those A.R. Drones
May 03 09:33:08 <alterego> But they're well expensive
May 03 09:33:11 <lcuk> i should learn to fly outdoors
May 03 09:33:20 <alterego> (otoh I've not bought myself a toy in over a year)
May 03 09:33:53 <Venemo> alterego, lemme guess, that toy was the N900?
May 03 09:34:17 <lcuk> I got this from verkkokauppa in Helsinki
May 03 09:34:22 <alterego> Yeah, I think the N900 was the last toy I splashed out on
May 03 09:34:35 <lcuk> managed to fit it in my suitcase and everything
May 03 09:34:37 <alterego> Maybe they'll have some toys in SF :)
May 03 09:35:28 * lcuk wanted a bigger one
May 03 09:36:26 <Venemo> lcuk, is that some RC helicopter?
May 03 09:36:34 <lcuk> yes Venemo
May 03 09:37:54 <Venemo> I've always wanted one :)
May 03 09:39:02 <khertan> hum /var/lib/connman/default.profile doesn't seem to be read but is just a cache
May 03 09:43:47 * khertan didn't like zypper and rpm package ... apt tools are really missing on meego
May 03 09:49:21 <thp> khertan: alias apt-get=zypper; alias apt-cache=zypper really helps ;)
May 03 09:50:09 <Venemo> why is it that I can only boot MeeGo on my N900 when it's in R&D mode?
May 03 09:50:32 <Stskeeps> i don't use r&d mode personally
May 03 09:50:50 <Venemo> sudo ../maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2/flasher-3.5 -k vmlinuz-2.6.33.3-11.2-n900 -l --boot="root=/dev/mmcblk0p4 rootwait rw console=ttyO2,115200n8 console=tty0 omapfb.vram=0:2M,1:2M,2:2M mtdoops.mtddev=2"
May 03 09:51:08 <Venemo> oh, sorry
May 03 09:51:13 <Venemo> wrong image
May 03 09:51:17 <Venemo> wrong paste
May 03 09:51:43 <Venemo> nevermind
May 03 09:54:01 <Venemo> however I'm curious about how can I try the Intel UX on the N900
May 03 09:54:14 <khertan> thp: if only ...
May 03 09:56:31 <Venemo> Is it possible to share my internet connection with the N900 through USB networking? "Error message: Couldn't resolve host 'repo.meego.com'"
May 03 09:56:55 <Stskeeps> there's a maemo.org page for usb networking which is useful
May 03 09:57:40 <alterego> Venemo: you need to set the appropriate nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf
May 03 09:57:53 <alterego> And you need to add the default route using: route add
May 03 09:58:40 <Venemo> route add what?
May 03 09:59:13 <Venemo> 'route add 192.168.2.14' says "SIOCADDRT: No such device"
May 03 09:59:22 <Stskeeps> route add default g
May 03 09:59:23 <Stskeeps> w
May 03 09:59:40 <Venemo> aah
May 03 09:59:41 <alterego> route add -net default gw 192.168.2.14 usb0
May 03 10:00:05 <alterego> Make sure you have ip forwarding enabled on the host
May 03 10:00:19 <Venemo> how can I make sure?
May 03 10:02:01 <alterego> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
May 03 10:02:04 <alterego> should return '1'
May 03 10:02:21 <alterego> That and you wont be able to ping outside address :)
May 03 10:02:29 <Venemo> it's 0
May 03 10:03:09 <alterego> sudo sh -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
May 03 10:03:40 <Venemo> ahh, thank you so much alterego :)
May 03 10:03:47 <alterego> Or add: net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf
May 03 10:03:56 <alterego> Which will cause it to work on system startuop
May 03 10:04:06 <thiago> 192.168.2.14, I know that address... :-)
May 03 10:04:06 <alterego> But you need to run: sudo sysctl -p
May 03 10:04:08 <Venemo> zypper update still says, "Error message: Couldn't resolve host 'repo.meego.com'"
May 03 10:04:29 <alterego> Okay, try pinging 212.110.185.209
May 03 10:04:43 <Venemo> "From 192.168.2.14 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Prohibited"
May 03 10:04:45 <alterego> (just some random IP I happen to know is up) :)
May 03 10:04:51 <thiago> my solution:
May 03 10:04:52 <thiago> $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/usbnetwork-nokia-devices.rules
May 03 10:04:52 <thiago> BUS=="usb",ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0421", RUN+="/sbin/ifconfig %k 192.168.2.14"
May 03 10:05:28 <alterego> thiago: nice I'll have to note that one, I use network manager at the moment and statically set the MAC in g_nokia
May 03 10:05:37 <alterego> Though, that's because I like differentiating between devices :)
May 03 10:05:57 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: meego-security-discussion@ re framework, ryan's been fairly open about it
May 03 10:05:59 * thiago was tired of running sudo ifconfig
May 03 10:06:19 <thiago> I'm still tired of removing the ssh key every time I reflash my Harmattan device...
May 03 10:06:30 <Stskeeps> thiago: we have a trick for that
May 03 10:06:32 <Stskeeps> Sage: ^
May 03 10:06:54 <Sage> ah that
May 03 10:06:59 <Sage> a sec will pastebin
May 03 10:07:24 <Sage> thiago: http://pastie.org/1859853
May 03 10:07:26 <Sage> :)
May 03 10:07:34 <Venemo> alterego, what should I do against "Destination Host Prohibited"?
May 03 10:07:47 <thiago> Sage: ah, cool
May 03 10:08:01 <mateus> hi...i'm user debian squeeze and i'm reading "getting started with the meego sdk for linux" in the package configuration i can use debian/5.0 without problems?
May 03 10:08:02 <alterego> Venemo: good question :/
May 03 10:08:12 <alterego> Probably iptables
May 03 10:08:14 <alterego> ang on
May 03 10:08:16 <Stskeeps> Venemo: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking
May 03 10:09:58 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Agreed, I wasn't trying to suggest he wasn't but capture the tone of the conversation
May 03 10:10:03 <Stskeeps> :nod:
May 03 10:10:14 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: It also seems like something which should "progress" from -security to -architecture at some point (soonish)
May 03 10:10:48 <mateus> anyone?
May 03 10:11:30 <Venemo> Stskeeps, it talks about 'iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s 192.168.2.15/32 -j MASQUERADE', which I've tried but I still get the same result
May 03 10:12:26 <alterego> There should be two iptables commands.
May 03 10:13:09 <lbt> mateus: yes
May 03 10:13:15 <lbt> I use it on squeeze
May 03 10:13:20 <lbt> it's annoying :)
May 03 10:15:12 <arfoll> as per bug 16946, python looks like it's getting removed from default meego images. I thought python was part of meego?
May 03 10:15:15 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16946 maj, Medium, ---, peter.j.zhu, NEW, Trim down default image size
May 03 10:15:43 <Venemo> arfoll, I think you can still install it if you need it
May 03 10:16:28 <arfoll> Venemo, i understand that, but is python not part of meego compliance? ie python applications are not going to run unless vendors install it specificaly on the device/adaptation
May 03 10:17:00 <Stskeeps> arfoll: it's not part of meego compliance or api, afaik
May 03 10:17:09 <Stskeeps> i mean, technically speaking, it's not needed for the meego api
May 03 10:17:13 <Stskeeps> which is where meego compliance stems from
May 03 10:17:43 <Stskeeps> our footprint is really too big, so let's see where it leads
May 03 10:17:56 <Stskeeps> the important thing is that -things can be installed-, :P
May 03 10:18:23 <arfoll> but it means python apps are banished from core images
May 03 10:18:25 <mateus> lbt, tks
May 03 10:19:48 <Stskeeps> arfoll: i think if they want to cut image size, cut sample-media ;)
May 03 10:20:22 <lbt> Stskeeps: we said that at Dublin ....
May 03 10:20:22 <arfoll> Stskeeps, totally agree, i'm old enough to be able to copy big buck bunny over myself
May 03 10:20:51 <Stskeeps> personally i can't wait to when we ditch X too
May 03 10:21:12 <arfoll> might have to wait a little longer for that though
May 03 10:21:20 <Stskeeps> perhaps
May 03 10:21:23 <deepa1> hi i have a meego netbook and just installed 1.1 stable image
May 03 10:21:23 <lbt> someone should count all the MeeGo image downloads and send them to the Big Buck Bunny site for their distribution count...
May 03 10:21:30 <deepa1> the webcam is not detected
May 03 10:22:02 <arfoll> lbt, i could write a python script, oh wait no i can't
May 03 10:22:16 <lbt> arfoll: zypper in python ?
May 03 10:22:31 <lbt> you could write a bash script to do that ;)
May 03 10:22:31 <arfoll> lbt, i meant on first launch of image
May 03 10:22:44 * arfoll is just sore that some people want to remove python from meego tv
May 03 10:22:46 <Stskeeps> arfoll: i wonder about perl being removed too ;)
May 03 10:23:04 <lbt> write it all in C like systemd!
May 03 10:23:30 <arfoll> now we get to script in bash 3 because GPL3 is too restrictive.... grumbl
May 03 10:23:43 <thiago> zsh!
May 03 10:25:03 * w00t_ agrees with thiago
May 03 10:25:04 <w00t_> :-P
May 03 10:25:24 <lbt> I thought thiago would have suggested QML...
May 03 10:26:12 <lbt> thiago: is that actually possible?
May 03 10:26:16 <thiago> Program { id: foo; name: "/bin/ls"; arguments: [ "/", "/dev" ]; }
May 03 10:26:17 <thiago> :-P
May 03 10:26:58 <lbt> there you go arfoll ... stop moaning
May 03 10:27:16 <arfoll> uhm any change to get dbus bindings?
May 03 10:28:34 <lcuk> could use some big bungie cords?
May 03 10:29:45 <lcuk> ahh download complete
May 03 10:34:12 <Venemo> alterego, I'm pretty much out of ideas. I tried messing around with iptables, without any luck :(
May 03 10:34:37 <Venemo> problem is that the N900 can't connect to the cellular network either
May 03 10:35:54 <Stskeeps> what was one of the stable etherpad sites?
May 03 10:39:57 <Stskeeps> lbt: one of the things i hate(;) about your posts is that it's difficult to find any response as it absolutely makes sense, however the next step is "so, how do we do the excellent theory in practice"
May 03 10:40:11 <Stskeeps> implementation vs design
May 03 10:40:49 <lbt> Stskeeps: I tried to include some action points in this one
May 03 10:41:15 <lbt> and also I feel that I need to get some concensus before dictating what to do
May 03 10:41:30 <lbt> in DE I've pretty much assumed I can re-write your release process
May 03 10:41:35 <lbt> and QA rules :)
May 03 10:41:45 <lbt> but I have got Sage and eric helping
May 03 10:41:51 <Stskeeps> right
May 03 10:43:00 <Stskeeps> this is fairly close to the idea you had back when we went for steak with x-fade and marc? :P
May 03 10:43:06 <lbt> yes
May 03 10:43:18 <Stskeeps> man, that's long ago..
May 03 10:43:18 <Stskeeps> :P
May 03 10:43:22 <lbt> yep
May 03 10:43:37 <X-Fade> But it was fun :)
May 03 10:45:50 <lbt> so .. I was kinda waiting for a DE meeting to say "lbt's idea makes sense ... use that as goals for deciding on deliverables"
May 03 10:46:07 <lbt> also then "what extra deliverables should we have"
May 03 10:46:25 <Stskeeps> i think we can stage it as a past summer release thing
May 03 10:46:27 <lbt> like docs, BOSS processes, scripts
May 03 10:47:02 <Stskeeps> unless you think it makes sense to have earlier
May 03 10:47:22 <Sage> Stskeeps: just a notice to this. With the DE image also in repository.maemo.org we are running out of space :)
May 03 10:47:27 <Sage> err.. SDK DE image :)
May 03 10:47:33 <Stskeeps> Sage: ok
May 03 10:47:46 <lbt> Stskeeps: yes ... but ... it would be good to be able to say at SF "we discussed and agreed the direction for DE"
May 03 10:47:58 <lbt> and to commit to delivering those things
May 03 10:48:31 <Stskeeps> how non-invasive can we make a change to the three-path (veneer, hw adaptation(s!!!), core changs)?
May 03 10:49:16 <lbt> I have no plans to disrupt anything pre-SF
May 03 10:49:22 <Stskeeps> yeah, but i meant after
May 03 10:49:24 <lbt> but I think at SF we can answer that
May 03 10:49:29 <Stskeeps> we have the 'summer image' idea
May 03 10:49:31 <lbt> probably not hugely
May 03 10:49:51 <lbt> it should allow those areas to be less interdependent
May 03 10:50:07 <Stskeeps> get me a etherpad that works and i will do a proposal writeup
May 03 10:50:08 <Stskeeps> :P
May 03 10:50:45 <lbt> is piratepad down ?
May 03 10:52:13 * lcuk taps his n900
May 03 10:52:23 * lcuk shakes it
May 03 10:55:12 <lcuk> usb port on the right hand side of the x200s is faster than the usb ports on the left
May 03 11:07:07 <lcuk> hmm I thought it was
May 03 11:07:15 <lcuk> how do I show progress of dd again?
May 03 11:07:20 <lcuk> lbt, do you know?
May 03 11:07:46 <lbt> you can use pv
May 03 11:07:50 <lbt> pipeviewer
May 03 11:08:11 <lbt> or use ddrescue ... far superior
May 03 11:08:23 <jsv> lcuk: "kill -USR1 <pid of dd>"
May 03 11:08:26 <lbt> (not dd_rescue)
May 03 11:09:54 <lcuk> ahh cool jsv that is the one, lbt, will that give progress updates without having to open a new console each time?
May 03 11:10:34 <lbt> ddrescue is the best for seeing everything
May 03 11:11:06 <lbt> but if you're dd'ing images .. beware that filesystem sync is often a huge factor
May 03 11:12:59 <lcuk> yeah I am ensuring I keep the cable connected to let things settle after the dd runs through
May 03 11:13:27 <lcuk> but sitting at empty console is disconcerting
May 03 11:30:42 <slaine> Was there an announcement last week that 1.2 would be late ?
May 03 11:30:53 <Stskeeps> it was on meego-packaging and meego-releases@
May 03 11:30:59 <Stskeeps> communication could have been bettter but..
May 03 11:30:59 <Stskeeps> :P
May 03 11:35:11 <lcuk> revdkathy is awesome at knitting
May 03 11:38:30 <lcuk> 1.3gb done
May 03 11:43:29 <slaine> Stskeeps: I'll check the archives, I'm not on those lists
May 03 11:43:49 <Stskeeps> ok
May 03 11:58:36 <slaine> Stskeeps: I just see that they mention branching 1.2 over the weekend
May 03 11:58:45 <slaine> no mention of an ETA on the new release
May 03 11:58:49 <Stskeeps> slaine: ah, was earlier than that
May 03 11:58:53 <slaine> ok
May 03 12:00:30 <iolao> slaine: ETA is may 19
May 03 12:00:48 <slaine> right, thanks, saves me further digging
May 03 12:01:06 <slaine> that coincides with the conf I assume ?
May 03 12:01:19 <Stskeeps> a couple of days before
May 03 12:03:19 <deepa1> Hi /dev/video not found
May 03 12:03:50 <deepa1> i am using stable release 1.1.99.5.20110501
May 03 12:04:04 <deepa1> is this a known bug? is there any workaround?
May 03 12:04:14 <deepa1> can somebody help on the issue?
May 03 12:07:22 <lcuk> should SMS app work on the n900-de?
May 03 12:43:35 <lcuk> hurrah booting up
May 03 12:46:01 <alterego> Something keeps blinding me and I can't see what I'm typing properly.
May 03 12:49:34 <lcuk> alterego, not the only one
May 03 12:49:54 <lcuk> though the sun is a bit hazy today
May 03 12:51:00 <alterego> Clear blue skies here, I 
May 03 12:51:55 <lcuk> the icons are looking about right on the n900-de image, perhaps a few things missing but certainly looks better than ever
May 03 12:52:49 <lcuk> alterego, your dialer is not integrated into this yet is it?
May 03 12:54:14 <alterego> Don't think so
May 03 12:54:21 <alterego> Not sure it's even built yet :)
May 03 12:54:32 <lcuk> I am sure it will be soon
May 03 12:54:37 <alterego> :)
May 03 12:55:55 <lcuk> if I dial a number without a sim card in
May 03 12:55:58 <lcuk> what should happen
May 03 12:56:28 <alterego> Well, there's what should happen, and there's what happens
May 03 12:56:41 <alterego> What should happen is you should have an error saying that ofono couldn't do something or other.
May 03 12:57:00 <alterego> qml dialer currently doesn't say anything though.
May 03 12:57:08 <alterego> Error reporting and notifications is kind of next on my list.
May 03 12:57:10 <lcuk> nor does the other one
May 03 12:58:10 <lcuk> I should test on maemo what happens
May 03 13:08:59 <phaeron> anyone know the link to the sdk with qtcreator and deploy to device nice thingy
May 03 13:11:36 <kallam> phaeron: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1#Setting_up_your_device
May 03 13:11:56 <phaeron> kallam: thanks , checking it out
May 03 13:23:09 <deepa1> hello
May 03 13:23:27 <deepa1> video input (camera) is not working in netbook
May 03 13:24:01 <deepa1> this is meego release 1.1 99.0.2011.052
May 03 13:24:03 <lcuk> deepa1, which netbook hardware?
May 03 13:24:20 <deepa1> WIPRO ego netbook Intel Atom N450
May 03 13:24:55 <keyz182> Hi there, I recently got hold of a Dell Inspiron Duo (the flip-lid touchscreen one). I've been playing with meego on it, and have found that the netbook edition works fine, and if I specify "usbhid.quirks=0x0eef:0x725e:0x40" as a kernel option, the touchscreen works fine too. However, when trying the tablet edition, touchscreen input isn't recognised at all (dmesg and lsusb shows it's found and loaded). Anyone know of any obvious reasons why it wont wo
May 03 13:24:55 <keyz182> rk, or any help at all?
May 03 13:24:59 <deepa1> it is listed in the supported hardware
May 03 13:25:17 <deepa1> lcuk, it used to work in older version 80.0 release
May 03 13:25:43 <deepa1> lcuk, is there some issue in 99.0
May 03 13:26:28 <lcuk> deepa1, check bugs.meego.com for camera things
May 03 13:26:35 <lcuk> see if anyone else filed the same thing
May 03 13:26:37 <deepa1> lcuk, gstreamer-properties video input reports - /dev/video0 not found
May 03 13:26:46 <deepa1> checked no luck though
May 03 13:27:52 <lcuk> deepa1, how far did you check?
May 03 13:27:57 <lcuk> bug 15847
May 03 13:27:59 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15847 nor, Medium, ---, kangkai.yin, NEW, No /dev/video* found
May 03 13:29:06 <deepa1> lcuk, i checked this, but this is on 1.2
May 03 13:29:10 <deepa1> i have 1.1
May 03 13:29:40 <deepa1> lcuk, and however i do not have camera file in /sys/devices/platform directory
May 03 13:30:13 <deepa1> lcuk, and could nt apply the workaround
May 03 13:30:24 <deepa1> lcuk, is there anyother workaround you know of?
May 03 13:32:07 <lcuk> deepa1, not that I know of, file a bug related and include all info (including the regression noted) and ensure all versions etc are included
May 03 13:32:21 <deepa1> ok
May 03 13:32:55 <lcuk> hopefully an elegent solution can be found
May 03 13:33:07 <deepa1> yea hope so
May 03 13:33:23 * lcuk facepalms
May 03 13:33:27 <lcuk> I need spellcheck on irc
May 03 13:33:33 <lcuk> elegant even
May 03 13:37:08 <lcuk> has anyone managed to resolder usb plug onto their n900?
May 03 13:37:27 <alterego> I think someone has, I read it on tmo yesterday
May 03 13:37:34 <alterego> UPS is picking mine up tomorrow apparently :)
May 03 13:38:01 <anidel> lcuk: why? yours broke?
May 03 13:38:21 <lcuk> anidel, been broke for a while
May 03 13:38:40 <anidel> lcuk: was it a pre-prod device?
May 03 13:38:45 <lcuk> I fixed my other one
May 03 13:38:58 <anidel> just asking out of curiosity
May 03 13:40:01 <lcuk> anidel, my main device had a loose usb, but I managed to fix that nicely with some card a couple of weeks ago
May 03 13:40:59 <lcuk> http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2011-04-21.log.html#t2011-04-21T14:49:18
May 03 13:42:56 <anidel> so both of them "failed"?
May 03 13:43:03 <lcuk> I am just wondering about the other one, its usb is fully off
May 03 13:43:14 <anidel> ah that may be re-soldering...
May 03 13:43:21 <anidel> the only one I heard had the issue was Randall
May 03 13:43:50 * lcuk learnt pcb repair a looooooooooooooong time ago 
May 03 13:43:57 <lcuk> but I have not got the tools to hand
May 03 14:28:15 <lcuk> Venemo, when you implement multitouch, make sure you upload it and then multipeople can have a test :P
May 03 14:28:24 <Venemo> lcuk :P
May 03 14:28:41 <Venemo> lcuk, the difficulty with multitouch is that I don't own any multitouch hw
May 03 14:29:03 <lcuk> what would MT give you though?
May 03 14:29:38 <Venemo> dunno, maybe it would give me some dinner if I asked nicely?
May 03 14:29:48 <lcuk> the only thing I can think of is moving two pieces at once
May 03 14:30:57 <Venemo> There are 3 ideas in my head: moving >1 pieces at once; rotating the pieces; zooming the game board
May 03 14:31:43 <lcuk> give it a try then
May 03 14:31:53 <Venemo> of these, the 1st one is trivial to implement and I'd definitely like to implement it. the others need some more thinking before I can do them.
May 03 14:32:25 * lcuk just uses multitouch to draw hair and beards on things
May 03 14:32:30 <Venemo> :D
May 03 14:32:33 <Venemo> lcuk, btw, did you know that Qt has a very nice helper app?
May 03 14:32:43 <Venemo> I just have to type "Qt Ass" into the search box
May 03 14:32:49 <lcuk> nope and I am just going grabbing dinner
May 03 14:33:05 <lcuk> Pippa Ass is better search phrase :P
May 03 14:33:20 <Venemo> before you think of anything nasty, it's Qt Assistant :P
May 03 14:33:34 <lcuk> and Pippa is a lovely lady too :D
May 03 14:33:39 <Venemo> mhm
May 03 14:35:38 * lcuk goes grabbing lunch
May 03 15:51:51 <timeless> http://mxr.meego.com/qt.gitorious.org/source/qt-mobility/src/3rdparty/proj/PJ_sconics.c#49
May 03 15:51:52 * timeless sighs
May 03 15:52:15 <lcuk> hi timeless \o
May 03 15:52:31 <timeless> hi
May 03 15:52:38 * timeless is kinda wandering around
May 03 15:52:43 * lcuk too
May 03 15:52:58 * timeless heads out
May 03 15:53:14 <lcuk> \o flying visit only?
May 03 15:53:29 <timeless> oh, i'm home in HEL
May 03 15:53:38 <gabrbedd> timeless: hey, bro!
May 03 15:53:44 <gabrbedd> timeless: bye, bro!
May 03 15:53:46 <timeless> just got distracted by things and am about to run out of window space for a task
May 03 15:53:46 <timeless> hi
May 03 15:58:05 <gabrbedd> timeless: PJ_sconics -- aren't we supposed to refresh the RAM periodically?? :-p
May 03 16:45:35 <MarcA-N> Last day to participate!! SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS: The MeeGo San Francisco conference planning committee is seeking to feature select quotes/phrases on conference signage. Please help us make this a community centric event! https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/T6P5C8H
May 03 16:47:57 * khertan still didn't understand why every meego addict push dev to use QML. It s far from being ready for doing apps
May 03 16:48:21 <Stskeeps> khertan: together with components it's better, but yeah, there's lacks
May 03 16:48:34 <alterego> Not sure "meego addict" really matters there ;)
May 03 16:48:47 <alterego> Try "Qt addict" :P
May 03 16:49:02 <khertan> alterego: yeah it s apply to people working at nokia to
May 03 16:49:20 <khertan> qt addict didn't apply ... i like qt ... i hate qml
May 03 16:49:20 <khertan> :)
May 03 16:49:23 <alterego> We like shiney :P
May 03 16:49:33 <alterego> Why don't you like QML?
May 03 16:49:51 <khertan> syntax ... a pain to use ... slower on n900 :)
May 03 16:50:06 <Stskeeps> did you use --opengl?
May 03 16:50:11 <alterego> Heh
May 03 16:50:11 <khertan> and need to reinvent the wheel
May 03 16:50:14 <alterego> Just one '-'
May 03 16:50:16 <khertan> Stskeeps: yep
May 03 16:50:18 <lcuk> khertan, you are a python developer :P how can you say anything is slower
May 03 16:50:26 * alterego chuckles
May 03 16:50:58 <khertan> lcuk: because a python developper can do thing fast if he know how to let python interpreter loop in the c libs :)
May 03 16:51:17 <alterego> Which is what QML mostly does :P
May 03 16:51:36 <khertan> compare to what ? qwidget ?
May 03 16:51:39 <alterego> Well, should
May 03 16:51:47 <khertan> i didn't think :)
May 03 16:51:57 <lcuk> and khertan as I once explained in great detail that to get the speed you would have to build from the ground up using a set of minimal components.
May 03 16:52:42 <alterego> Which seems to be really fashionable now-a-days :)
May 03 16:52:56 * lcuk actually thinks QML in that regard is more than reasonable, but still needs some hammering
May 03 16:53:27 * gabrbedd started a project in QML... and ended up using QGraphicsView
May 03 16:53:59 <lcuk> gabrbedd, what component did you put inside the graphicsview?
May 03 16:54:13 <lcuk> and would it have been practical to make that a plugin widget
May 03 16:54:18 <lcuk> so that any qml app could use it
May 03 16:54:55 <lcuk> (hich was how I thought QML was going to be more like from first place)
May 03 16:55:20 * lcuk still wonders why qt-creator cannot create a widget, then from the toolbox create direct instances of that widget
May 03 16:55:32 <lcuk> something visual basic had for many many years
May 03 16:56:45 <gabrbedd> lcuk: It was mostly custom components implementing piano keyboard-like widgets.
May 03 16:57:21 <lcuk> gabrbedd, so how would alterego use a piano keyboard input method on the dialer?
May 03 16:57:49 <lcuk> contrived example I know
May 03 16:58:03 <gabrbedd> lcuk: For example, with a piano keyboard it made more sense to redraw the keys than to have individual rectangles that track their own states.
May 03 16:58:06 <lcuk> but in visual basic, you could make a piano ocx and use it in many projects
May 03 16:58:53 <lcuk> gabrbedd, I understand entirely
May 03 16:59:09 <gabrbedd> lcuk: I'm not sure how.  Maybe something like the Qt Designer UI plugins.
May 03 16:59:17 <lcuk> I have made some qwidget toys during time I have been playing
May 03 16:59:32 <lcuk> gabrbedd, it is certainly not something that comes easily in qt creator
May 03 16:59:42 <lcuk> I poked and prodded at it many times
May 03 17:00:18 <lcuk> even making a brand new milkbottle widget then trying to use it within the same project is hard
May 03 17:01:03 <lcuk> there is some replacement thingy where you create checkboxes and tell qt creator to replace all checkboxes with milkbottles
May 03 17:01:15 * lcuk fried head first time I tried that
May 03 17:01:49 <gabrbedd> lcuk: hee hee
May 03 17:02:07 * lcuk finds the official name of the checkbox to milkbottle replacement doofer
May 03 17:02:13 <DawnFoster> events meeting starting in #meego-meeting now
May 03 17:02:29 <DawnFoster> for anyone interested in meego conference and other events
May 03 17:02:37 <w00t_> lcuk: it's coming.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD3NjhDevg0
May 03 17:02:46 <DawnFoster> Agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Meetings
May 03 17:02:59 <gabrbedd> Well, the introspection that VB uses is provided by OLE/COM
May 03 17:03:10 <lcuk> ahhh Promoted Widgets (you have to right click on a ridget in the UX designer)
May 03 17:03:14 <gabrbedd> And today that sort of functionality is coming through DBUS.
May 03 17:03:20 <lcuk> gabrbedd, vb introspection is awesome
May 03 17:03:49 <gabrbedd> The reliable way to do it on linux is to publish your stuff as a lib.
May 03 17:04:04 <lcuk> gabrbedd, yes indeed.
May 03 17:04:21 <gabrbedd> But if people want really slow, introspective types... I'm sure they'll come up with some dbus-ey way to do it.
May 03 17:04:42 <gabrbedd> The OTHER problem in linux is mixing GUI widgets between toolkits.
May 03 17:04:53 <gabrbedd> It's not easily done... not even with XEmbed.
May 03 17:04:55 <lcuk> gabrbedd, it is the boilerplate I believe, qt introspection can handle much of it I believe
May 03 17:05:15 <gabrbedd> It's easier to do on Windows where there is One GUI to rule them all.
May 03 17:08:20 <gabrbedd> 750 registered for #MeeGoConf
May 03 17:08:32 <Stskeeps> already?
May 03 17:08:34 <Stskeeps> that's good, i guess
May 03 17:09:14 <gabrbedd> Stskeeps: feeling the head?  :-)
May 03 17:09:20 <gabrbedd> s/head/heat/
May 03 17:09:20 <infobot> gabrbedd meant: Stskeeps: feeling the heat?  :-)
May 03 17:10:51 * w00t_ bets DawnFoster is the wolf
May 03 17:11:27 <DawnFoster> w00t_: Who me? *puts on her innocent village face*
May 03 17:11:28 * gabrbedd is thinking "vegetarian vampire"
May 03 17:11:59 <DawnFoster> how can this gentle vegetarian possibly be eating people at night?
May 03 17:12:31 <lcuk> DawnFoster, with salt and pepper.
May 03 17:13:39 <DawnFoster> :)
May 03 17:14:44 * lcuk looks at Tracy bump and wonders just how to get to SF
May 03 17:14:56 <w00t_> get the wolf to eat her
May 03 17:15:09 <w00t_> (i've heard babies are doubly nutritious)
May 03 17:15:11 * w00t_ runs
May 03 17:15:27 <lcuk> you obviously have not been in the same room as Tracy, she would tell the wolf off and send it to bed with no supper
May 03 17:16:46 <MarcA-N> DawnFoster as a werewolf simply means she gets us villagers hunted down so she may steal our Portabella crops...
May 03 17:18:20 <DawnFoster> innocent little me??
May 03 17:18:28 <MarcA-N> hardly!
May 03 17:19:00 <DawnFoster> *thinking that I've played too many games of werewolf with MarcA-N*
May 03 17:19:10 <Jartza> *yawn*
May 03 17:19:18 <Jartza> 6 days of rovio academy
May 03 17:19:21 <Jartza> behind
May 03 17:19:31 <Jartza> 1.5 days to go
May 03 17:21:11 * sofar sick at home
May 03 17:21:39 * Stskeeps passes sofar chicken soup
May 03 17:21:47 * lcuk could not really understand werewolf and prefers different simpler games
May 03 17:22:27 <DawnFoster> lcuk: we should have people bring other games to play, too
May 03 17:22:43 <DawnFoster> BTW, after you've played a couple of games it gets *way* easier
May 03 17:23:00 <lcuk> DawnFoster, what was great was watching the games :)
May 03 17:23:11 <lcuk> I did have a try on night
May 03 17:23:16 <DawnFoster> yeah, they are awesome to watch
May 03 17:23:29 <DawnFoster> being moderator is actually really fun :)
May 03 17:23:35 * lcuk nods
May 03 17:24:16 <lcuk> DawnFoster, playing foosball with 6 of us and rotating was great
May 03 17:24:33 <lcuk> hardly time to pickup a beer :P
May 03 17:24:54 <DawnFoster> lcuk: yeah, we're trying harder to have more activities so that people have some things to choose from
May 03 17:25:05 <DawnFoster> and doing more to promote the hacker lounge
May 03 17:25:24 <DawnFoster> last time, lots of people didn't even know about it until they read blog posts after the confernce
May 03 17:25:31 <lcuk> it promoted itself quite well last time :)
May 03 17:25:51 <w00t_> I was always too bloody tired for the hacker lounge
May 03 17:25:52 <w00t_> :P
May 03 17:25:53 <lcuk> reasonable, I suppose doing it properly would help
May 03 17:26:16 <w00t_> it was always a case of getting back to the hotel, "I'll just rest for a minute" *collapse*
May 03 17:26:41 <lcuk> replace *collapse* with irc/irc/irc/irc/irc and you are right :P
May 03 17:26:54 <w00t_> nah, i didn't really do much of that, at least iirc
May 03 17:27:17 * lcuk enjoyed actually talking with folks :)
May 03 17:27:33 <w00t_> lcuk: so make sure you get there again, then
May 03 17:27:50 <lcuk> trying.
May 03 17:27:58 <lcuk> hoping.
May 03 17:28:05 <lcuk> :)
May 03 17:29:03 <GeneralAntilles> w00t_: yeah, key is going straight to the lounge. :P
May 03 17:29:13 <lcuk> with your badge on
May 03 17:29:39 <w00t_> GeneralAntilles: I have a better chance of that this time, since I'm staying some 20-30 minutes walk away from the hotel
May 03 17:29:58 <DawnFoster> drinking strong irish tea all day was my key to staying awake in dublin :)
May 03 17:30:20 <DawnFoster> I didn't crash until the last evening (when I crashed really hard)
May 03 17:30:30 <arfoll> tea? you do know they have a very good coffee in ireland ;-)
May 03 17:31:22 <w00t_> my solution in san francisco will be to have special nag me constantly about random things so I can't get enough peace and quiet to rest :P
May 03 17:31:31 <DawnFoster> arfoll: well, I like coffee a little too much, so I normally drink green / herbal tea at home
May 03 17:31:45 <DawnFoster> I forgot how strong Irish tea was, but it worked to my advantage :)
May 03 17:32:45 <lcuk> is there a big vote or something tomorrow here in the uk?
May 03 17:33:00 <arfoll> lcuk, yes the voting system thing ;-)
May 03 17:33:22 <lcuk> ahh yes
May 03 17:34:56 <w00t_> isn't that the 5th?
May 03 17:35:26 <Robot101> yeah the 5th
May 03 17:36:17 * w00t_ actually remembered a date for once
May 03 17:36:28 <w00t_> I think this needs to go down in history
May 03 17:37:29 <lcuk> it is already as you said at 18:34 :P
May 03 17:38:20 <alterego> Wait what?
May 03 17:38:24 <alterego> What voting thing?
May 03 17:38:44 <Stskeeps> democracy fail
May 03 17:38:45 <Stskeeps> ?
May 03 17:38:45 <lcuk> the AV/FPTP thing
May 03 17:38:51 <alterego> Urgh
May 03 17:38:58 * lcuk saw excellent link explaining it using cats and dogs
May 03 17:44:56 <lcuk> question btw: I have an n900 with disconnected usb power thingy and no traces to put it down onto, I also have a big size 9 soldering iron.  whilst I have some soldering skill do not feel really comfortable, has anyone made up a diagram showing where I could run some fine data wires to other parts of the board so I can carry on using it easily?
May 03 17:45:49 <lcuk> the usb is completely lifted and have to charge battery externally and do mmc copies using an external reader
May 03 17:46:30 * lcuk poking around in n900 bits now
May 03 17:49:55 <gabrbedd> Hardware adaptation question:  I have a device with two buttons that I'm going to re-map to be a window switcher (kinda like Alt+Tab).  I've figured out how to patch meego-ux-daemon to do this....
May 03 17:50:15 <gabrbedd> Question:  Is there a prefererred X11 button type to remap these to?
May 03 17:51:02 <lcuk> http://sites.google.com/site/svcr0c0/n900 is epoxy version
May 03 17:51:08 * lcuk has usb port in hand though
May 03 17:51:13 <gabrbedd> E.g. the home button is XK_Super_L and XK_Super_R
May 03 17:51:25 <lcuk> gabrbedd, the OS key usually?
May 03 17:51:47 <gabrbedd> lcuk: That's the super key... It's already being used.
May 03 17:52:43 <lcuk> gabrbedd, which hero?
May 03 17:53:23 <gabrbedd> Tabberman, with his youthful ward Altkey.
May 03 17:53:29 <gabrbedd> :-p
May 03 17:53:42 <lcuk> gabrbedd, use one of the x11 event tracing things
May 03 17:53:46 <lcuk> and press the key
May 03 17:53:50 <lcuk> it should report the sym used
May 03 17:54:05 <gabrbedd> lcuk: It's up/down.  Would not be a good idea to use those.
May 03 17:54:16 <lcuk> up+down perhaps
May 03 17:58:34 <gabrbedd> I'm thinking I should either use XK_Hyper_L / XK_Hyper_R (whatever *that* is)... or XF86XK_ApplicationLeft / XF86XK_ApplicationRight
May 03 18:02:59 <gabrbedd> Looks like the Hyper key is probably the same as the windows "Menu" key.
May 03 18:04:02 <gabrbedd> lcuk: I can set a udev rule to define the keycode that the actual button sends.  Then I can config meego-ux-daemon to listen for that keypress.
May 03 18:08:10 <lcuk> gabrbedd, and you just spoke greek to me.
May 03 18:09:20 <gabrbedd> lcuk: Μπορώ να ορίσετε έναν κανόνα udev να καθορίσει το keycode ότι η πραγματική κουμπί στέλνει. Τότε μπορώ να config meego-UX-daemon να ακούσουν για το πάτημα των πλήκτρων.
May 03 18:10:03 <lcuk> heh
May 03 18:10:15 <timoph> looks nice
May 03 18:11:49 <gabrbedd> lcuk: Anyway... I can override the keypress that the button sends at the kernel level (udev rule)
May 03 18:11:58 <lcuk> roger
May 03 18:31:09 <gabrbedd> (...was on phone...)
May 03 18:31:42 <gabrbedd> lcuk: Anyway, I wanted to choose a key code that wouldn't cause problems when the user plugs in a USB keyboard.
May 03 18:32:02 <gabrbedd> "Dude!! Whenever I press 'n' the darn window changes!  WTF??"
May 03 18:35:51 <lcuk> gabrbedd, normal
May 03 18:39:52 <Jaffa> DawnFoster: ping
May 03 18:43:16 * lcuk recalls Barcelona meetup where spending a whole weekend with Nokia folks discussing moving a single button in ui :)
May 03 18:44:18 <gabrbedd> lcuk: :-)
May 03 18:44:51 * lcuk begrudgingly agreed that on the phone it would be moved :)
May 03 18:45:17 <DawnFoster> hey Jaffa
May 03 18:45:48 <Jaffa> DawnFoster: Hey. Wondered if you could prod Brian about http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-May/004024.html
May 03 18:46:03 <DawnFoster> Jaffa: bugged him about it this am
May 03 18:46:10 <Jaffa> DawnFoster: ...but it may well be public holidays around and about in the US as well.
May 03 18:46:13 <Jaffa> DawnFoster: Ah, cool. Thanks
May 03 18:46:29 <DawnFoster> he needs to sort out a couple of technical issues around how roommates needs to work
May 03 18:46:39 <DawnFoster> hoping to have it up this afternoon
May 03 18:46:41 <Jaffa> Ah
May 03 18:46:43 <Jaffa> Cool
May 03 18:49:47 <Ronksu> btw. are the conference rates for hotels available only from sunday onwards?
May 03 18:50:23 <Ronksu> at leats the registration gives 22nd as the earliest possible date, even though there is the early bird stuff during weekend
May 03 18:51:23 <lcuk> how do apps handle moving UX chrome between the uxes? (ie differences in placement of virtual buttonage)
May 03 18:51:50 * lcuk notes from qt-creator simulator the virtual buttons are in different places on different platforms
May 03 18:52:06 <Jaffa> Ronksu: The extent of the conference rates at the hotels is one of the things being looked into
May 03 18:52:50 <Ronksu> jaffa: alrighty
May 03 18:53:35 <alterego> sunday onwards? I heard it was for 4 nights and (yes) they include the warm up?
May 03 18:54:35 <gabrbedd> lcuk: Is there an API for virtual buttons?
May 03 18:55:05 <lcuk> gabrbedd, I think so
May 03 18:55:38 <lcuk> but I always had mind to have back button in lower left which is different to every other platform
May 03 18:56:00 <lcuk> but idk how that would be configured for apps
May 03 18:56:24 <gabrbedd> lcuk: By virtual buttons... you mean  a soft-key?  A hardware button that's reassignable in the software?
May 03 18:56:32 <lcuk> (the reasoning is simple: gorrila arm, when wall mounted you don't want to have to reach to the top every single time)
May 03 18:56:49 <lcuk> gabrbedd, in maemo there is a back/close button in top right
May 03 18:57:18 <lcuk> and in liqbase I had that button combo in the bottom left
May 03 18:57:38 <gabrbedd> lcuk: That sounds like what MTF calls "window decorators"  Right?
May 03 18:57:45 <lcuk> probably
May 03 18:58:18 <lcuk> on symbian there is a button column
May 03 18:58:26 <lcuk> in maemo it is in the decoration
May 03 18:58:32 <gabrbedd> lcuk: Where you have a window switcher button, title, and close button at the top of the screen?
May 03 18:59:42 <lcuk> yeah but since everything was fullscreen it is only the buttons really, though should involve all those
May 03 19:00:21 * lcuk just composited the buttons ontop and pre-filtered the mouse events to check clicks so it was a bit simpler
May 03 19:00:43 <gabrbedd> lcuk: AFAIK, there's no coordination between UX's on that.  For example, the Tablet UX has sternly removed the decorators and recommends that apps /not/ provide their own.
May 03 19:00:53 <lcuk> yes indeed
May 03 19:01:21 <gabrbedd> lcuk: Netbook actually works more like Tablet in this regard... except that it draws a frame around your window.
May 03 19:02:26 <gabrbedd> lcuk: Are decorators back on the Handset?  (They got removed when Tablet UX hit the builds)
May 03 19:02:37 <Stskeeps> there was a fork of compositor, afaik
May 03 19:02:42 <lcuk> gabrbedd, something seems to be
May 03 19:02:53 <lcuk> though the top bar on handset breaks fitts law
May 03 19:03:08 <lcuk> since you can no longer tap in the corner of the screen
May 03 19:03:17 <lcuk> (in the case of the close button)
May 03 19:03:25 <lcuk> you have to aim a little lower which is frustrating
May 03 19:03:46 <lcuk> bug 16611
May 03 19:03:49 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16611 nor, Undecided, ---, kevron_m_rees, NEW, Clicking on the clock in top right should send close action
May 03 19:04:03 <gabrbedd> Stskeeps: yes, I saw the start of the discussion... but didn't follow it through to see if they did it.
May 03 19:04:37 <gabrbedd> lcuk: I remember you/someone talking about that bug.
May 03 19:04:43 * lcuk nods
May 03 19:05:08 <lcuk> well I filed it gabrbedd so likely me
May 03 19:05:09 <lcuk> lol
May 03 19:07:53 <gabrbedd> lcuk: What package provides that bar, anyway?  Is that provided by mdecorator?
May 03 19:08:11 <gabrbedd> (...which is part of mcompositor)
May 03 19:08:13 <lcuk> gabrbedd, I am not sure of where any of that side lives
May 03 19:09:19 * lcuk finds the x11 compositing and wm stuff hairier than anything and engineers who know it are superstars
May 03 19:10:50 * lcuk got lost many times in x11 complexity and still gets it wrong
May 03 19:12:13 <gabrbedd> lcuk: Yeah, that's been my experience with mcompositor, too.
May 03 19:13:05 <gabrbedd> lcuk: I can't understand it well enough to tell if it's superstars or scoundrels.
May 03 19:13:22 <gabrbedd> lcuk: I've been happy trapsing through the meego-ux-daemon code, though.
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May 03 19:30:42 <lcuk> gabrbedd, you only reminded me about that based on your button press thing, the n810 had a hardware button in reasonable place
May 03 19:32:36 <Stskeeps> which reminds me
May 03 19:32:43 * Stskeeps checks in on his armv6+vfp hardfp build
May 03 19:32:52 <lcuk> that would run on n810?
May 03 19:32:57 <Stskeeps> yeah
May 03 19:32:59 <lcuk> :D
May 03 19:33:02 <lcuk> awesome
May 03 19:33:15 <Stskeeps> it'll take 1 week or so for tht lone machine to build everythin
May 03 19:33:16 <Stskeeps> :P
May 03 19:33:23 <lcuk> venemo was just saying, his native qt app now runs across the spectrum
May 03 19:33:41 <lcuk> maemo4,maemo5,meego,symbian,windows
May 03 19:34:20 <lcuk> lol Stskeeps are you self building on n810?
May 03 19:35:10 <Stskeeps> no
May 03 19:35:20 <Stskeeps> on a machine standing at my dads
May 03 19:35:23 <lcuk> is it in obs?
May 03 19:35:23 <lcuk> ahh
May 03 19:35:27 <Stskeeps> in a obs
May 03 19:35:34 <sofar> your dads?
May 03 19:36:14 <sofar> that reminds me, I need to install meego side-by-side the infested windows installation on my mother-in-law's laptop
May 03 19:36:25 <Stskeeps> yeah.. we have a deal, i have a backup server standing there, i pay for his domains
May 03 19:36:29 <Stskeeps> :P
May 03 19:36:38 * sofar got another "can you help me, my internet does not work" call this week
May 03 19:37:39 * lcuk can barely afford to pay for anything
May 03 19:37:58 <Stskeeps> lcuk: long story short, i want to try wayland, meego and hardfp on there, just for kicks :P
May 03 19:38:27 <gabrbedd> sofar: Mom, would you /please/ stop clicking random stuff?
May 03 19:38:57 <lcuk> can wayland run using the xvideo RGB mode?  you can still do the resolution adjustment using that (if I remember rightly and the video mode was implemented)
May 03 19:39:30 <Stskeeps> lcuk: no xorg involved would be the idea
May 03 19:39:56 <lcuk> Stskeeps, yeah sure but the video mode stuff still needs setting
May 03 19:40:05 <Stskeeps> it's a framebuffer, already kinda pre-setup :P
May 03 19:40:08 <lcuk> and if the lcd driver prodices variable resolution
May 03 19:40:15 <lcuk> as it seems to for xvideo
May 03 19:40:27 <Stskeeps> i guess you'd have quite a kick out of making a compositor for it
May 03 19:40:45 <krh> Stskeeps: also: http://people.freedesktop.org/~krh/meego-under-x.png
May 03 19:40:59 <Stskeeps> krh: cool
May 03 19:43:53 <lcuk> Stskeeps, my fingers have not recovered from last time I coded stuff like that and it was not pretty then
May 03 19:44:37 <Stskeeps> krh: how badly did you have to beat the current tablet stack for that?
May 03 19:45:07 <w00t_> krh: woah, you're making fast progress
May 03 19:45:09 <krh> Stskeeps: very little
May 03 19:45:09 <lcuk> see how it looks when it comes out of the oven at your dads and we can have a fly around and see where the bits needing attention are
May 03 19:45:22 <krh> all qml run unchanged
May 03 19:45:28 <krh> except that I'm using qtquick 2.0
May 03 19:45:38 <Stskeeps> :nod:
May 03 19:45:42 <krh> ie:
May 03 19:45:43 <krh> -import Qt 4.7
May 03 19:45:43 <krh> +import QtQuick 2.0
May 03 19:46:06 * w00t_ votes krh for president
May 03 19:47:05 <Stskeeps> krh: were you coming by sf2011 by the way?
May 03 19:47:08 <krh> it uses the wayland sample compositor
May 03 19:47:21 <krh> with a meego plugin
May 03 19:47:26 <krh> and a slightly modified meego-ux-daemon
May 03 19:47:28 <krh> Stskeeps: yup
May 03 19:47:49 <Stskeeps> good - i'll definately be at the lighthouse/qt-compositor and the meego-wayland talk
May 03 19:48:03 <phaeron> Stskeeps: probably no visa for me
May 03 19:48:32 <Stskeeps> phaeron: :/
May 03 19:48:35 <phaeron> Stskeeps: maitery will ask someone else to take over her session
May 03 19:48:49 <Stskeeps> ok, well, at least you can manually adjust the speakers on the session
May 03 19:48:59 <phaeron> how do I cancel the reservation that I made on the website ..
May 03 19:49:08 <phaeron> yes I need to
May 03 19:49:25 <w00t_> phaeron: :(
May 03 19:51:44 <phaeron> probably my name + the osama thing wouldn't work out as well :P
May 03 19:52:06 <jonnor> I need to take a screenshot on the tablet ux. What is the easiest way to do this?
May 03 19:52:17 <lcuk> grab a camera
May 03 19:52:46 * lcuk is not joking, this should be OS level available to help people to diagnose/share/show off their nice things
May 03 19:53:14 <jonnor> That does not give me a screenshot. I need to be able to get the color values of some of the stuff on the screen.
May 03 19:53:42 <Stskeeps> jonnor: we use cat /dev/fb0 and ffmpeg on n900
May 03 19:53:51 <Stskeeps> (i wish i was kidding)
May 03 19:54:08 <jonnor> I guess that is the easiest way.
May 03 20:12:00 <jonnor> gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot.png
May 03 20:12:24 <jonnor> is convenient as the ffmpeg binary does not seems to be easily installable
May 03 20:19:50 <alterego> jonnor: that's awesome :)
May 03 20:20:04 <alterego> Never occured to me to do it that way :D
May 03 20:20:13 <alterego> But it seems so obvious now ..
May 03 20:39:42 <lcuk> jonnor, :D
May 03 21:27:14 <ojpzdp> hi
May 03 21:27:16 <ojpzdp> i need hel
May 03 21:27:18 <ojpzdp> help
May 03 21:27:27 <ojpzdp> someone speak spanish?
May 03 21:27:28 <berndhs> me too
May 03 21:28:05 <ojpzdp> i need read ntfs on meego
May 03 21:28:33 <ojpzdp> jelou
May 03 21:30:24 <andre__> ojpzdp, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1980 - looks like it's up to distributors
May 03 21:30:27 <MeeGoBot> Bug 1980 enh, Medium, ---, gavin.hindman, VERI REJECTED, [FEA] Unable to mount NTFS images
May 03 21:30:28 <andre__> if you're hackish: http://www.meabi.com/ntfs-support-for-meego-netbook-read-windows-partitions-from-meego/
May 03 21:31:33 <ojpzdp> i read that  url , but dont works on my meego
May 03 21:36:06 <andre__> ojpzdp, and what does not work?
May 03 21:39:43 <ojpzdp> andre_ when put in console ... –SU Mode Configure
May 03 21:41:49 <andre__> ojpzdp, it's "su". However if you don't have a technical background I don't recommend that.
May 03 21:42:13 <andre__> especially because the URL on that page points to a random non-secure upload...
May 03 21:42:26 <andre__> my intention was to rather describe the concept
May 03 21:44:58 <ojpzdp> tengo algo de experiencia con  ubuntu, pero ahí podia abrir un disco en ntfs, y no logro hacerlo con este tutorial
May 03 21:47:04 <ojpzdp> andre__ You could explain how to do it step by step
May 03 21:47:09 <ojpzdp> please
May 03 21:50:44 <ojpzdp> andre__ mesage....
May 03 21:51:04 <andre__> ojpzdp, please don't send me private messages if there is no need to
May 03 21:51:23 <andre__> ojpzdp, I don't want to screw your system, and compiling this is nothing trivial
May 03 21:51:48 <gabrbedd> ojpzdp: La URL arriba is muy bien.  Si no puede hacerlo con eso... es tan dificil para ti?
May 03 21:52:43 <ojpzdp> which could be the solution to read NTFS then?
May 03 21:53:29 <andre__> well, according to that bug report, refering to the future: get MeeGo in a product from a distributor that has added a solution for it.
May 03 21:56:51 <ojpzdp> andre__ ....> [root@ojpzdp-desktop ntfs-3g-2010.5.22]# ./configure  checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnuoldld checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnuoldld checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnuoldld checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p checking for gawk... gawk checking whether make s
May 03 21:57:09 <andre__> ojpzdp, http://pastebin.com/
May 03 21:57:21 <andre__> for long output
May 03 21:59:08 <ojpzdp> name  its andre__ (file)
May 03 21:59:18 <andre__> url ?
May 03 22:00:23 <ojpzdp> http://pastebin.com/VALA3gQM
May 03 22:00:50 <thiago_home> checking for gcc... no
May 03 22:00:56 <thiago_home> what have you done about this? :-)
May 03 22:01:34 <andre__> ojpzdp: as I've said before: if you have no technical background I'd recommend not to all of a sudden try learning compiling.
May 03 22:03:12 <ojpzdp> Andre__  i know but i need  read ntfs, is there some other easier solution? or some other way?
May 03 22:03:33 <andre__> ojpzdp, not that I know
May 03 22:03:36 <gabrbedd> ojpzdp: No, there is not.  Not with MeeGo.
May 03 22:07:48 <ojpzdp> ...
May 03 22:08:24 <ojpzdp> i need somthing that solved teh ntfs
May 03 22:13:30 <ojpzdp> andre__ i read in the meego formus that i need somethins libraries
May 03 22:13:42 <ojpzdp> yum install gcc flex bison make diffutils glib2-devel pango-devel cairo-devel wget gcc-c++ fribidi* *hal*dev* libXpm* libXt* moz*
May 03 22:30:08 <HiroPro> hello #meego!!
May 03 22:30:18 <HiroPro> Possible to ask a Q or two?
May 03 22:31:28 <thiago_home> you've just asked one. What's the other? ;-)
May 03 22:34:38 <HiroPro> lol
May 03 22:43:16 <lcuk> thiago_home, lol
May 03 22:43:22 <lcuk> HiroPro, whats your boggle?
May 04 01:29:28 <andres__> hi
May 04 01:29:34 <andres__> i need help
May 04 01:30:03 <andres__> i have  ttwo problems with meego
May 04 01:30:54 <andres__> 1.  adobe flash in chromium.. dont work 2. command yum dont work
May 04 01:31:09 <berndhs> use zypper instead of yum
May 04 01:31:36 <andres__> berndhs how use zypper?
May 04 01:31:50 <berndhs> it does the same things that yum does
May 04 01:32:02 <berndhs> syntax very similar
May 04 01:33:41 <andres__> thx zypper its works :)
May 04 01:33:54 <berndhs> its faster too
May 04 01:34:57 <gabrbedd> andres__: http://wiki.meego.com/Zypper
May 04 01:35:20 <gabrbedd> andres__: and http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Zypper_usage
May 04 01:35:29 <gabrbedd> (in case you need help getting to sleep)
May 04 01:37:27 <andres___> berndhs and the problem with chromium and flash
May 04 01:37:54 <berndhs> i dont know, I avoid websites with flash and write them angry emails
May 04 01:38:42 <gabrbedd> andres__: The flash plugin is installed in a folder.... but...
May 04 01:38:56 <gabrbedd> andres__: it looks like chromium isn't looking in that folder.
May 04 01:39:13 <gabrbedd> I ran into this the other day.
May 04 01:39:29 <gabrbedd> I'll bet someone has a bug on it...
May 04 01:40:42 <andres___> there will be some solution to avoid having to squeeze every page "run this time"
May 04 01:41:06 <gabrbedd> "run this time" ?
May 04 01:42:44 <andres___> when I open a page that contains flash, I said that Pugin is blocked by that is out of date, and gives me the option to add or update this time run
May 04 01:43:01 * gabrbedd didn't find the bug... but I found *that* bug
May 04 01:43:10 <gabrbedd> bug 15481
May 04 01:43:13 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15481 nor, Medium, ---, hao.h.li, NEW, [REG][chromium]Flash plug-in is out of date
May 04 01:45:05 <andres___> cuando bajo manualmente me da un error al instalarlo
May 04 01:45:16 <andres___> when under manual gives me an error when installing
May 04 01:58:07 <andres___> solution of chrome and flahs please
May 04 01:58:39 <berndhs> andres___: when you find out, let me know :)
May 04 01:59:36 <beford> es un problema de flash, te toca esperar que lo adobe saque uno nuevo. no es un problema en meego/chrome
May 04 02:00:01 <andres___> Beford no hay alguna posibilidad de vovler a un flash anterior?
May 04 02:00:19 <andres___> hasa encontrado alguna solución tu?
May 04 02:01:08 <beford> el problema no es un flash anterior, el problema es que por seguridad chrome no esta corriendo el plugin desactualizado. Intenta lo que dicen en el bug 15481 segun el post de alli, instalando ese RPM le arregla el problema
May 04 02:01:11 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15481 nor, Medium, ---, hao.h.li, NEW, [REG][chromium]Flash plug-in is out of date
May 04 02:25:56 <andres___> beford tu has podido isntalar ese plugin???
May 04 02:26:00 <andres___> no puedo
May 04 02:26:53 <beford> no tengo un pc con meego ahora para probar
May 04 02:27:09 <andres___> voy intentar otra vez
May 04 02:27:32 <andres___> otra duda, no sabes como instalar el plugin de gmail para conferencia de video dentro de gmail
May 04 02:30:13 <gabrbedd> andres___ Yo ha instalando el plugin de gmail, pero el no obra.
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