**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 05 02:59:57 2011
May 05 03:17:51 <shawnbusker> hey, I'm kind of new to meego, but i assume its based on linux, correct? I want to try this on my laptop but it seems more directed towards netbooks, would it work, or it it only for intel atom pcs??
May 05 03:18:56 <beford> it pretty much requires intel graphics at this time
May 05 03:19:17 <shawnbusker> ah
May 05 03:19:18 <beford> so, if your laptop has nvidia/ati video card it won't work out of the box atleast
May 05 03:19:27 <shawnbusker> no ati or nvidia?
May 05 03:19:32 <shawnbusker> ohh
May 05 03:19:42 <shawnbusker> darn
May 05 03:20:01 <beford> no, license issues, if they get an oss driver meego could be able to include it
May 05 03:20:17 <shawnbusker> ah
May 05 03:21:05 <shawnbusker> so this will run on any x86 pc with intel graphics just fine, or close to working well?
May 05 03:22:46 <shawnbusker> because in the past, I've used ubuntu that has worked on my machines in the past, and any os based on ubuntu would work well on mine, but i dont know what meego really is, or what it's based on
May 05 03:23:07 <berndhs> shawnbusker: cpu needs to support ssse3
May 05 03:23:51 <shawnbusker> whys that? is there any way around that?
May 05 03:24:15 <shawnbusker> my laptop is old, only has support for sse2 i believe
May 05 03:24:37 <berndhs> it is compiled for that, to optimize some things
May 05 03:25:09 <shawnbusker> ah, and theres no backward compatibility?
May 05 03:25:16 <shawnbusker> for slower machines
May 05 03:25:20 <berndhs> not that i know of
May 05 03:25:38 <berndhs> its a forward looking system :)
May 05 03:25:44 <shawnbusker> ok, i'll have to look into this later and see what i can find then, thanks
May 05 03:27:31 <beford> if I remember correctly vgrade was working on a sse2 build, however it still requires intel graphics
May 05 04:09:33 <lcuk> there is one person who spent 10 years translating my brain into business, he is based in manchester and can help.
May 05 04:22:03 <iekku> good morning
May 05 04:24:30 <dm8tbr> moaning
May 05 04:33:12 <Stskeeps> mikhas: yes
May 05 07:42:36 <ab> thiago, can we get SNI back ported to 4.7?
May 05 07:46:01 <max_posedon> hi! Where I can ask meego devs release libqttracker tar bz2?
May 05 08:05:04 <RST38h> EHLO, ladies, gentlemen, other life forms
May 05 08:10:18 <ericlr> lbt: mornin'
May 05 08:10:38 <ericlr> lbt: all set with rest api?
May 05 08:11:25 <phaeron> we got notified later in the day yesterday. afaik we didn't get to testing it yet
May 05 08:11:27 <lbt> yep - Stephen got it working last night.
May 05 08:11:35 <lbt> yup
May 05 08:11:37 <phaeron> lbt: oh hi :)
May 05 08:13:57 <lbt> ericlr: discussion bug lifecycle on #meego-arm
May 05 08:14:38 <ericlr> lbt:ok joining…
May 05 08:32:36 <timeless_w7ip> lbt: *sigh*
May 05 08:32:55 <lbt> hello you bundle of joy, you :)
May 05 08:33:03 <timeless_w7ip> bug 16212 among half a dozen bugs was attacked by a useless user
May 05 08:33:06 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16212 nor, Low, ---, peng.li, WAIT, x11 tests xi2 init_window calls memset with sizeof instead of sizeof*
May 05 08:49:03 <mikhas> Stskeeps, do you actually run the unit tests for the VKB in MeeGo?
May 05 08:49:33 <Stskeeps> mikhas: you'd have to ask the QA guys for that
May 05 08:50:17 <timeless_w7ip> lbt: can you find someone to smack that guy?
May 05 08:50:42 <mikhas> timoph, QA page lists you - what about tests provided by a package?
May 05 08:51:11 <mikhas> would it make sense to try to integrate those tests in into the QA loop for 1.3?
May 05 08:54:37 <timoph> mikhas: do you have a ready test package?
May 05 08:56:24 <mikhas> timoph, only for H a
May 05 08:56:28 <mikhas> *Harmattan
May 05 08:56:31 <timoph> hmmh
May 05 08:56:31 <timeless_w7ip> lbt: PING
May 05 08:57:02 <lbt> I'm writing a comment
May 05 08:57:07 <timoph> mikhas: are those available from public git, etc.?
May 05 08:57:11 <timeless_w7ip> thanks
May 05 08:57:32 <mikhas> timoph, the units tests are, yes. the UI tests with TDriver are not, AFAIK
May 05 08:58:53 <mikhas> for unit tests: https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-inputmethodkeyboard/trees/master/tests for example
May 05 08:59:00 <timoph>  I can take a look at those although not today.
May 05 08:59:13 <mikhas> yeah, no hurry
May 05 08:59:56 <timoph> IIRC I filed a bug against meegotouch-inputmethdokeyboard-tests :)
May 05 09:00:12 <mikhas> so, they are already run?
May 05 09:00:34 <timoph> no. tests.xml doesn't work in meego or something
May 05 09:00:37 <timoph> wait a sec
May 05 09:00:59 <mikhas> we dont need this XML stuff for MeeGo
May 05 09:01:29 <mikhas> we should rather fix the tests to be fully self-contained :-)
May 05 09:01:48 <mikhas> but if it's possible to adopted this Harmattan-ism, then sure
May 05 09:02:37 <timoph> bug 16767
May 05 09:02:40 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16767 nor, Undecided, ---, miroslav.safr, NEW, meegotouch-inputmethodkeyboard-tests does not work with test automation
May 05 09:03:34 <timeless_w7ip> stskeeps/lbt/... http://piratepad.net/FaJtwRFbdH
May 05 09:03:41 <timeless_w7ip> i have no idea if i'll post this
May 05 09:04:17 <lbt> not to that bug.... but in general yes
May 05 09:06:13 <timoph> well. I only deal with automated testing. Of course you can run the tests manually without the automation but you don't need my help with that :)
May 05 09:07:41 <timoph> those test can be run with automation (if fixed), I tried with a slightly modified version of tests.xml those and these are the results from it: http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Core/Nightly-Automated/N900/2173#test-set-28723
May 05 09:08:28 <timoph> in summary: if those tests.xml files are not fixed to work with MeeGo test automation we will not execute them.
May 05 09:19:42 <Ronksu> how long should it take after booking a hotel via conference registration to get some kind of reply?
May 05 09:19:54 <Ronksu> (I am assuming they confirm it somehow)
May 05 09:20:27 <timeless_w7ip> http://timeless.justdave.net/blog/184/
May 05 09:20:37 <timeless_w7ip> is a draft
May 05 09:26:03 <lbt> timeless_w7ip: last line s/patches/patches or genuine bug reports/
May 05 09:26:17 <lbt> genuine/triaged ?
May 05 09:26:22 <lbt> something
May 05 09:26:46 <timeless_w7ip> reload
May 05 09:27:05 <lbt> can I copy it to the meego wiki
May 05 09:27:35 <timeless_w7ip> sure
May 05 09:28:01 * timeless_w7ip isn't sure which source lbt is using
May 05 09:28:49 <lbt> 184
May 05 09:30:23 <timeless_w7ip> ok
May 05 09:31:50 <timeless_w7ip> lbt: note that this guy did this to around 6 bugs, in case you want to helpfully fix the others (or watch them..)
May 05 09:33:01 <timeless_w7ip> oh, and in this case the change is a single character ....
May 05 09:36:10 <timeless_w7ip> lbt: oh...
May 05 09:36:28 <timeless_w7ip> i also got 3 emails from someone for bug 14688 and related
May 05 09:36:31 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14688 nor, Low, ---, krisztian.litkey, RELE FIXED, swi-prolog PL_error uses stack local variable past scope
May 05 09:36:31 <timeless_w7ip> asking how to verify
May 05 09:36:36 <timeless_w7ip> he sent them to me directly
May 05 09:36:43 <timeless_w7ip> which is moderately problematic
May 05 09:37:43 <lbt> ask him to please repost the content of the mails in bz ?
May 05 09:38:02 <lbt> he may not want to appear ignorant though
May 05 09:39:19 <timeless_w7ip> asking the same question in 3 bugs indeed would make him look ignorant
May 05 09:39:33 <timeless_w7ip> but perhaps he might have realized it and decided not to ask it 3 times ? :)
May 05 09:40:30 <timeless_w7ip> by sending me the same query 3 times, he only appeared ignorant to me
May 05 09:40:50 <lbt> automated ?
May 05 09:41:09 <timeless_w7ip> dunno
May 05 09:41:19 <timeless_w7ip> he definitely treated me like a mail-merge
May 05 09:41:23 <timeless_w7ip> it wasn't a good feeling
May 05 09:42:01 <timeless_w7ip> do's and don'ts part 2
May 05 09:42:34 <lbt> yep .. useful stuff
May 05 09:43:49 <lbt> OK ... got to pop out for an hour.... bbl8r :)
May 05 09:54:45 * timeless_w7ip wonders how to search users
May 05 09:56:56 <timeless_w7ip> https://meego.com/user/timeless is depressing
May 05 09:58:13 <guyzmo> hi
May 05 09:58:26 <timeless_w7ip> help
May 05 09:58:34 <timeless_w7ip> how do i edit my company field in meego.com?
May 05 09:58:55 <guyzmo> I'm trying to install meego on a lenovo s10-3t, and the whole installation process work, but it seems extlinux fail to be installed
May 05 09:59:32 <guyzmo> when rebooting, the tablet says "operating system not found"
May 05 09:59:43 <guyzmo> anyone has an idea of what's wrong ?
May 05 09:59:55 <timeless_w7ip> javif: ping
May 05 09:59:59 <timeless_w7ip> mece: ping
May 05 10:00:13 <Mece> timeless_w7ip, pong
May 05 10:00:19 <andre__> timeless_w7ip: thanks for CCing on the "reporter should triage" one, feel free to do that whenever you spot such a behavior
May 05 10:00:40 <timeless_w7ip> do you see any content in https://meego.com/user/me/edit/Personal Information
May 05 10:00:57 <timeless_w7ip> andre__: i only cc'd you to 1 of that guy's incidents
May 05 10:01:00 <timeless_w7ip> he hit around 6
May 05 10:01:08 <andre__> gar
May 05 10:01:11 <andre__> lart
May 05 10:01:22 <timeless_w7ip> i'm cc'ing you on a reply to a different guy's private email (he hit me 3 times w/ the same question, one per bug)
May 05 10:01:58 <timeless_w7ip> andre__: http://timeless.justdave.net/blog/184/ will be more or less my public response to the cc'd guy
May 05 10:02:08 <timeless_w7ip> i'm not sure if i'll get around to writing 186/ for the other guy
May 05 10:02:10 <andre__> sure, go ahead
May 05 10:02:25 <timeless_w7ip> mece: lemme know about that url?
May 05 10:02:50 <Mece> timeless_w7ip, ok hold on.
May 05 10:03:46 <Mece> timeless_w7ip, what do you want to know?
May 05 10:04:11 <timeless_w7ip> i get a form w/ lots of blank fields
May 05 10:04:20 <Mece> timeless_w7ip, yes..?
May 05 10:04:30 <timeless_w7ip> i expect it to have the values i'd see on ...
May 05 10:04:48 <timeless_w7ip> https://meego.com/users/timeless
May 05 10:04:51 <timeless_w7ip> grr
May 05 10:04:52 <timeless_w7ip> https://meego.com/users/me
May 05 10:04:55 * timeless_w7ip kicks soemthing
May 05 10:05:00 <Mece> timeless_w7ip, lol
May 05 10:05:10 * timeless_w7ip kicks something
May 05 10:05:17 <timeless_w7ip> boy that was an embarrassing miss :)
May 05 10:06:32 <timeless_w7ip> mece: so, it's all blank, right?
May 05 10:06:35 <timeless_w7ip> i'm not missing anything?
May 05 10:09:10 <Mece> timeless_w7ip, um... what? what is blank and what is not?
May 05 10:14:47 <timeless_w7ip> mece: all of the fields in the edit/ page are blank for me
May 05 10:14:52 <timeless_w7ip> i want to confirm that they're blank for you too
May 05 10:15:02 <timeless_w7ip> specifically the ones which in the main user page aren't blank
May 05 10:15:09 <timeless_w7ip> like name, and company
May 05 10:16:30 <timeless_w7ip> andre__: http://timeless.justdave.net/blog/186/ is a draft
May 05 10:17:27 <andre__> totally +1
May 05 10:18:19 <guyzmo> what are the differences between meego netbook and meego ivi ?
May 05 10:19:05 <andre__> guyzmo: netbook is for netbooks, ivi is for vehicles (cars etc).
May 05 10:19:14 <guyzmo> I'm doing an install on a lenovo ideapad s10-3t, and on the wiki they say to install ivi, but on some forums they say to install netbook
May 05 10:19:20 <andre__> timeless_w7ip, same here, all blank. file a bug?
May 05 10:19:47 <guyzmo> andre__ - so, why do they suggest to install ivi on http://wiki.meego.com/IVI-LenovoS10-3t ?
May 05 10:21:14 <andre__> guyzmo: because people can, I guess?
May 05 10:21:18 <andre__> don't know, ask "them"? people also made OpenOffice.org under EasyDebian run on the N900 and its screen estate, and I wondered why :)
May 05 10:21:45 <guyzmo> ok, I was confused about "what's the good installer" for the lenovo
May 05 10:21:58 <guyzmo> everybody says "it's easy to install, see I did it in 9 minutes"
May 05 10:22:03 <andre__> ah, hehe
May 05 10:22:04 <guyzmo> but when I tried, it just fails
May 05 10:22:32 <guyzmo> exlinux didn't write the bootloader on /dev/sda, and the laptop just can't boo
May 05 10:22:32 <guyzmo> t
May 05 10:24:25 <Mece> timeless_w7ip, yes, they're blank.
May 05 10:55:03 <guyzmo> grmpf I got "bad magic number" error on installing extlinux
May 05 10:55:15 <guyzmo> and looking up on google give nothing
May 05 10:55:42 <arfoll> guyzmo, try install from a different USB ke
May 05 10:55:52 <arfoll> s/ke/key
May 05 10:57:02 <guyzmo> arfoll - we tried with 3 different usb keys, including those that intel distributes (the intel appup credit card sized ones)
May 05 10:57:32 <arfoll> guyzmo, how are you writing the image then?
May 05 10:59:28 <guyzmo> hum
May 05 10:59:37 <guyzmo> it seems it has a GPT partition scheme
May 05 10:59:42 <guyzmo> and the laptop can't boot that
May 05 10:59:54 <arfoll> guyzmo, what image are you writing?
May 05 11:01:25 <guyzmo> meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.1.99.5.20110504.4.img
May 05 11:01:38 <guyzmo> I also tried with last stable
May 05 11:02:02 <arfoll> guyzmo, i installed the 1.1 stable image on my s10-3t just few days ago
May 05 11:02:14 <guyzmo> it has been the same with the 1.1 stable
May 05 11:02:22 <guyzmo> but are you using a GPT partition scheme ?
May 05 11:02:52 <arfoll> what do you mean? on the s10-3t drive?
May 05 11:02:55 <guyzmo> yup
May 05 11:03:06 <arfoll> no don't think so i have an SSD in there
May 05 11:03:24 <guyzmo> arfoll - so do I
May 05 11:04:10 <guyzmo> hm... I'm gonna dump the FS
May 05 11:04:22 <guyzmo> and rewrite a traditionnal one
May 05 11:06:15 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: May 05 10:26:59 <larsc> DocScrutinizer: .... May 05 11:03:09 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I have more interest in lis302dl  in http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt
May 05 11:40:31 <rzr> hi
May 05 11:41:01 <julio> hi
May 05 11:41:10 * rzr fail to make a rpm of a qml app ..
May 05 11:41:14 <rzr> can you help
May 05 11:41:40 <julio> nope :(
May 05 11:41:44 <rzr> i can work on regular qt app but not one that load qml files :'(
May 05 11:42:01 <rzr> http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/4370
May 05 12:57:56 <julio> http://thenokiablog.com/2011/05/04/lg-meego/
May 05 12:58:28 <Stskeeps> maybe the ones nokia knew about
May 05 12:58:28 <Stskeeps> :P
May 05 13:01:05 <alterego> So, LG will probably release a real MeeGo device before Nokia
May 05 13:01:12 <berndhs> ha this Nokia "withdrawal" and "switch to WP7" is just a fake to get others interested int MeeGo :)
May 05 13:01:22 <alterego> Heh
May 05 13:02:07 <Stskeeps> berndhs: i do -occasionally- wonder that.
May 05 13:02:44 <alterego> Tell that to all the job losses :P
May 05 13:02:47 <Stskeeps> in long term that might actually make
May 05 13:02:47 <Stskeeps> :P
May 05 13:02:49 <Stskeeps> se
May 05 13:02:49 <Stskeeps> nse
May 05 13:03:04 <RST38h> ...and humans were constructed by water to carry it upstream
May 05 13:09:59 <alterego> I suppose it makes it easier for ex employees with symbian experience to blame Microsoft ;)
May 05 13:10:06 <alterego> Everyone hates MS :)
May 05 13:10:23 <iekku> :D
May 05 13:22:09 <gabrbedd> good morning, everyone!
May 05 13:23:16 <iekku> good morning :D
May 05 13:23:25 <iekku> time to go home from work :D
May 05 13:23:38 <iekku> gabrbedd, have a nice day :)
May 05 13:27:43 <alterego> Noticed no Sony Ericsson in that list.
May 05 13:30:19 <alterego> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/05/meego_no_thanks/
May 05 13:30:40 <Stskeeps> meego, the zombie OS
May 05 13:30:40 <Stskeeps> :P
May 05 13:30:41 <RST38h> Yeah
May 05 13:30:51 <alterego> That's a bit more indepth
May 05 13:30:56 <gabrbedd> iekku: have a good evening! :-)
May 05 13:30:56 <alterego> that the nokiablog one
May 05 13:31:00 <RST38h> Stskeeps: The Geniune Lavcraftian OS (tm)
May 05 13:31:05 <alterego> And I liked the picture
May 05 13:31:32 <alterego> I wish I had the resources an knowledge to start my own manufacturing business.
May 05 13:31:59 <RST38h> alterego: Hundreds of Chinese companies will gladly do it for you, cheaply enough
May 05 13:32:19 <alterego> Yeah, but what is the quality like :)
May 05 13:32:25 <RST38h> alterego: But have you got a clear idea WHAT you are going to manufacture and whol will buy that? =)
May 05 13:32:46 <RST38h> alterego: the quality is as good as you are willing to pay for (iPhones are built by the Chinese)
May 05 13:32:54 <alterego> No, I've not really thought about it in that much depth.
May 05 13:33:06 <RST38h> See? =)
May 05 13:33:53 <alterego> I'd probably work with a unified hardware platform, but with different form factorns/profiles
May 05 13:34:00 <mihero> hw design is not that easy, for mobilephones it has to pass alot of goverment regulations
May 05 13:34:15 <alterego> Yeah 
May 05 13:34:48 <RST38h> The same Chinese will design it for you too
May 05 13:35:02 <alterego> It'd be nice if you could just buy a regulator checked gsm module and bung it in to the rest of your hardware.
May 05 13:35:42 * gabrbedd reads articles and sighs
May 05 13:35:43 <mihero> yep, foxconn does whole thing from idea to final product, but you have to order few hundred thousand devices:)
May 05 13:35:57 <alterego> Heh
May 05 13:36:56 <mihero> maybe not for a startup company:)
May 05 13:37:40 <berndhs> i dont know how reliable Nokia's predictions of other companies future plans are
May 05 13:37:58 <berndhs> given the shelf life of Nokia's predictions of their own plans
May 05 13:38:22 <alterego> I'd have to come up with something fresh and compelling. To attractusers and hackers.
May 05 13:38:31 <RST38h> bern: my crystal balls see doom!
May 05 13:39:03 <berndhs> RST38h: yeah but that seems to be your specialty lately :)
May 05 13:39:32 <CosmoHill> RST38h: maybe your crystal balls are hard coded
May 05 13:39:32 <mihero> alterego: qwerty meego mobilephone, perhaps
May 05 13:39:51 <RST38h> cosmo: not that I know of
May 05 13:40:15 <RST38h> meanwhile: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/05/100yss_rfi/
May 05 13:40:23 <alterego> mihsure, but I'd want something that'd make it standout
May 05 13:40:49 <mihero> then add shiny to the list:)
May 05 13:41:03 <berndhs> alterego: try mobility between phone service providers, that's shiny
May 05 13:41:38 <alterego> Heh
May 05 13:41:51 <alterego> Quad sim?
May 05 13:42:33 <RST38h> alterego: try gambling, porn, substance abuse
May 05 13:42:50 <RST38h> if all else fails, apply for a DARPA grant
May 05 13:43:11 <julio> alterego: dual boot
May 05 13:43:12 <alterego> Heh
May 05 13:43:18 <julio> that would be cool
May 05 13:46:32 <gabrbedd> It's always easier to predict doom.
May 05 13:46:57 <alterego> It's easier to fail :P
May 05 13:47:04 <berndhs> i predict that WP7 will fail even with Nokia suport
May 05 13:47:55 <RST38h> this is an easy item to predict, WP is a lemon
May 05 13:48:06 <alterego> Heh
May 05 13:48:26 <alterego> Was it LG that did that "facebook" phone?
May 05 13:48:28 <RST38h> try predicting stuff about WebOS or RIM
May 05 13:51:39 <gabrbedd> alterego: Nope.  To fail you actually have to /try/.  Predictions have no such prerequisite.
May 05 13:52:24 <alterego> It's easy to fail though, you just don't do anything.
May 05 13:52:30 <mihero> lg tried atleast with wp phones and failed
May 05 13:52:36 <julio> I bet Microsoft will buy RIM in 18 months
May 05 13:53:05 <alterego> Heh
May 05 13:53:09 <mihero> what would they benefit from that?
May 05 13:53:39 <alterego> Probably nothing, they should just let RIM die
May 05 13:54:25 <julio> owning RIM and having an alliance with nokia would give ms a global reach
May 05 13:54:43 <w00t_> a global reach of products nobody wants to buy
May 05 13:54:44 <w00t_> sounds fantastic
May 05 13:54:46 <w00t_> :P
May 05 13:56:21 <alterego> Heh
May 05 13:57:24 <mihero> ecosystem that looks like a post-apocalyctic
May 05 13:59:02 <alterego> It's quite big amongst the young kids though
May 05 13:59:07 <alterego> RIM that is.
May 05 13:59:46 <mihero> oh, i thought it was more a business oriented
May 05 14:00:04 <alterego> That might be whyw I guess
May 05 14:00:21 <alterego> But it seems a lot of kids like it for the messenger stuff, or something.
May 05 14:01:06 <alterego> Thye proably don't get you can use MSN Messenger on pretty much any mid range phone nowadays.
May 05 14:09:23 <RST38h> julio: An elephant will eat 300kg of bananas a day. IF YOU LET HIM.
May 05 14:11:34 <gandhijee> doesn't matter, the kids use it for BBM, but most are getting fed up with that fact you cna't do shit else with the phone
May 05 14:11:57 <gandhijee> and RIM said they were probably going to release BBM for android phones anyways
May 05 14:15:19 <julio> RST38h: who is going to stop microsoft? :D
May 05 14:15:55 <julio> dice have been cast... http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/05/microsoft-partners-with-rim-to-bring-bing-to-blackberry.ars
May 05 14:22:33 <alterego> When can we expect emails about sharing rooms?
May 05 14:22:56 <alterego> And do we get cheaper price on rooms even with sponsorship?
May 05 14:23:07 * slaine wishes he was going
May 05 14:23:35 <alterego> I wanna volunteer for warmup sessions, but I can't afford hotel for the conference if I want to be there for the whole thing.
May 05 14:24:50 * alterego thinks the 4 nights thing is a bit limiting.
May 05 14:32:23 <GAN900> alterego, rooms are covered when sponsored.
May 05 14:32:40 <GAN900> alterego, bet you can couch surf somewhere.
May 05 14:32:53 <GAN900> wiretapped is in the city, might contact him.
May 05 14:35:35 <alterego> GAN900: I heard the rooms were only covered for four nights.
May 05 14:35:49 <GAN900> Yes, that's correct
May 05 14:36:07 <alterego> And we don't get special price for more nights?
May 05 14:36:09 <GAN900> Dunno about rates for additional nights
May 05 14:36:15 <alterego> okay
May 05 14:36:23 <GAN900> But those hotels are ridiculously expensive anyway.
May 05 14:36:47 <alterego> I've got a contact out there that I might be able to couch surf at
May 05 14:37:00 <GAN900> Yes, that's probably a good plan.
May 05 14:37:07 <alterego> Wonder if they have spare beds on Alcatraz
May 05 14:37:29 <alterego> Do they have B&Bs in SF? :D
May 05 14:37:37 <alterego> Or is that a British thing
May 05 14:37:54 <GAN900> I'm sure they do
May 05 14:37:56 <calvinhp> there are B&B's and hostels too
May 05 14:38:20 <alterego> Cool, might see what Carsten is doing as he mentioned hostels
May 05 14:40:52 <Umeaboy> Hi!
May 05 14:41:11 <Umeaboy> I was just wondering........ I'd like to switch OS on my GPS-navigator.
May 05 14:41:16 <Umeaboy> Is that possible?
May 05 14:41:23 <Umeaboy> If so, HOW?
May 05 14:45:48 <julio> Umeaboy: I hardly think so
May 05 14:47:20 <Umeaboy> julio: OK.
May 05 14:47:28 <Umeaboy> There has to be a way.
May 05 14:47:38 <Umeaboy> I should first try to root it, right?
May 05 14:50:23 <gabrbedd> Fun to watch a troll starve
May 05 14:51:35 <vvaltone> even if it wasn't a very truthful answer :P
May 05 14:58:35 <calvinhp> is anyone else using 1.1.90.4 on an s10-3t? everything works very well except Bluetooth. Is there a special trick?
May 05 14:59:46 * calvinhp hasn't seen bluetooth work on this netbook with any meego release yet
May 05 15:03:05 <gabrbedd> calvinhp: Does it even /have/ BT?  Some don't.
May 05 15:03:41 <gabrbedd> calvinhp: If you have it... it should show up in the output of lspci or lsusb (`sudo lsusb -vv` for more details)
May 05 15:07:24 <calvinhp> gabrbedd: it has bluetooth, let me get the output of lsusb -vv
May 05 15:23:27 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: N900 is using lis302dl chip. lis3lv02 is a different chip with different properties, so I think the lis3lv02 driver isn't the right one
May 05 15:23:33 <Stskeeps> ok
May 05 15:24:00 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: I'm tryong to convince OM to push theirs upstream
May 05 15:24:24 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: as now there's no conflict with the existing lis3lv02 driver actually anymore
May 05 15:24:48 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: ok?
May 05 15:24:53 <Stskeeps> ok
May 05 15:27:22 * timeless_w7ip tries to update the company record field in meego
May 05 15:27:55 <Stskeeps> to what?
May 05 15:27:55 <Stskeeps> :P
May 05 15:28:35 <timeless_w7ip> <empty>
May 05 15:29:04 <Stskeeps> no longer a nokian?
May 05 15:29:04 <Stskeeps> :P
May 05 15:29:08 <timeless_w7ip> https://meego.com/user/me/edit/Personal%20Information
May 05 15:29:09 <timeless_w7ip> correct
May 05 15:29:13 <timeless_w7ip> can you try loading htat url?
May 05 15:29:30 <timeless_w7ip> s/htat/that/
May 05 15:29:30 <infobot> timeless_w7ip meant: can you try loading that url?
May 05 15:29:52 <timeless_w7ip> do you see anything in <First Name>
May 05 15:29:55 <Stskeeps> works for me, except i didn't fill it in
May 05 15:30:19 <timeless_w7ip> you really never filled any of that in?
May 05 15:30:41 <timeless_w7ip> what's your user number?
May 05 15:33:30 * timeless_w7ip *hates* the namespace system
May 05 15:33:40 <timeless_w7ip> stskeeps: so err
May 05 15:33:44 <timeless_w7ip> you have a <organization>
May 05 15:33:51 <timeless_w7ip> how do you edit that field?
May 05 15:34:09 <Stskeeps> i can edit that fine
May 05 15:34:37 <timeless_w7ip> how? where?
May 05 15:34:49 <Stskeeps> i clicked that page, showed 'stskeeps' fine and i could edit organisation
May 05 15:35:04 <timeless_w7ip> did it *fill* in the organization?
May 05 15:35:10 <timeless_w7ip> for me *all* fields on that page are *blank*
May 05 15:35:19 <Stskeeps> yes, didn't fill
May 05 15:35:40 <Stskeeps> bug report?
May 05 15:35:55 <timeless_w7ip> sure, but only now that you've actually confirmed they're blank
May 05 15:38:34 <naquad> where can i find sources of liveinst (aka consolehelper/-gtk)?
May 05 15:38:50 <naquad> i need to change partitioning and add post script
May 05 15:45:03 <julio> naquad: here? http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/installer/trees/master
May 05 15:54:47 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: sorry, Venemo found the lis3lv02.ko claims to handle lis302dl chips as well :-S
May 05 16:16:54 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: you're on your own, and probably stuck with that polling upstream lis3lv02 driver that can't exploit the chip's orientation change detection IRQ. So live with poor battery standby, or do sth about it. I'm fed up with everybody bitching at me
May 05 16:17:30 <DocScrutinizer> (not here this time)
May 05 16:20:34 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: people has this weird reaction to being asked to upstream stuff, not sure i fully understand it myself :P
May 05 16:57:11 <naquad> julio, thank you
May 05 18:11:58 <lcuk> looking here: https://bugs.meego.com/describecomponents.cgi?product=Handset%20User%20Experience
May 05 18:17:05 <berndhs> what about it ?
May 05 18:17:29 <berndhs> those are the people to blame ?
May 05 18:17:41 <lcuk> are user apps going to be listed on there?
May 05 18:18:31 <ali1234> "user apps" - you mean like, third party stuff?
May 05 18:18:37 <lcuk> ye
May 05 18:19:06 <ali1234> do you think they should be? i would assume they won't
May 05 18:20:16 <lcuk> i think on maemo they were but I recall some discussion
May 05 18:20:34 <ali1234> i always found reporting bugs with meego extras to be incredibly painful
May 05 18:20:45 <ali1234> could never figure out whether to report on garage or bugzilla
May 05 18:20:51 <ali1234> i mean amemo extras
May 05 18:20:54 <ali1234> maemo
May 05 18:21:51 <ali1234> i think that's mainly because bugzilla doesn't track bugs by package
May 05 18:22:10 <ali1234> instead you have these components
May 05 18:22:22 <ali1234> so which component if any does 3rd party app reports go in?
May 05 18:22:41 <berndhs> there has to be a way to report bugs for 3rd party stuff, even if it is forwarded directly upstream
May 05 18:22:52 <ali1234> sure
May 05 18:23:02 <ali1234> it works for launchpad
May 05 18:23:08 <ali1234> but they have a good system for doing it
May 05 18:23:15 <ali1234> bugs are against a specific package
May 05 18:23:25 <ali1234> and they have bug watches that can monitor an external bug on upstream
May 05 18:23:32 <berndhs> well, in some cases users won't know the package
May 05 18:23:45 <ali1234> that's true
May 05 18:24:07 <berndhs> for crashes there is an automated system
May 05 18:24:11 <ali1234> but bugzilla can't even represent that information even if you do know
May 05 18:24:20 <ali1234> maybe it can, but the meego one can't
May 05 18:24:51 <ali1234> this is also important for triage not just users
May 05 18:24:56 <berndhs> its a good question though, how will bugs.meego.com do this
May 05 18:25:05 <ali1234> someone can go on launchpad, look at a bug and say "oh, that's package ..." and just set it
May 05 18:25:22 <berndhs> yes a good point, a crash in alis-special-app doesn't mean the app is broken
May 05 18:25:27 <ali1234> even if the reporter doesn't know, it's trivial for triager to set
May 05 18:25:40 <ali1234> well, it probably does
May 05 18:25:53 <berndhs> i just had a bug today in fedora-15-beta
May 05 18:26:06 <berndhs> my own apps were not forwarding links to firefox
May 05 18:26:22 <berndhs> nothing broken in my apps, nothing in firefox
May 05 18:26:31 <ali1234> yeah i love bugs like that
May 05 18:26:32 <berndhs> problem was in xdg-utils
May 05 18:26:54 <ali1234> so, hypothetically speaking, if i had this bug on meego and i had no idea what was going on cos i'm just a regular user
May 05 18:26:58 <berndhs> so as you said, its needed for triage
May 05 18:27:05 <ali1234> how would i know what component to report against?
May 05 18:27:22 <berndhs> most people would report it against the apps that dont forward the link
May 05 18:27:31 <ali1234> in ubuntu i would report it against the specific app
May 05 18:27:45 <berndhs> thats what I did, I rebuild my apps
May 05 18:27:49 <ali1234> assuming it was just one app that didn't work
May 05 18:27:53 <gandhijee> whats the deal with the PowerVR core, is there ever going to be support for it in MeeGo/Linux
May 05 18:28:18 <Stskeeps> gandhijee: on what platform?
May 05 18:28:41 <gandhijee> GMA500, GMA600 etc
May 05 18:28:43 <ali1234> then, that bug could be updated to point to firefox, if it turned out the app was correct
May 05 18:28:48 <Stskeeps> there's emgd-bin in meego 1.2
May 05 18:28:54 <Stskeeps> works fine on some gma500 but of course unsupported
May 05 18:28:56 <berndhs> so I think that meego wants to at least see those error reports go by
May 05 18:29:00 <ali1234> from there, firefox developers could look at it and say "not my problem, xdg-open is broken"
May 05 18:29:12 <gandhijee> what do you mean "some" GMA500
May 05 18:29:16 <ali1234> at each stage, the developers of the specific app only have to look in one place for their bugs
May 05 18:29:30 <Stskeeps> gandhijee: well, i know the drivers work on my joggler and some has it working on booklet
May 05 18:29:37 <ali1234> and not have to look through a list of bugs related to a vague "component" most of which are nothing to do with their package
May 05 18:29:59 <gandhijee> i see
May 05 18:30:24 <gandhijee> Stskeeps: i guess i will try it on my Gillmore Summit platform and see what happens
May 05 18:30:44 <berndhs> also their "components" are sometimes very general, and sometimes single applications
May 05 18:31:26 <ali1234> i guess my point here is, on ubuntu it doesn't matter if i report against app, firefox, or xdg-open - they are all obvious and valid choices and someone with direct experience of the technology involved is going to see it no matter which i pick
May 05 18:31:51 <ali1234> but on meego, if i report it in "browser" it's going to get lost in a sea of random other reports about stuff like "my keyboard doesn't work" etc
May 05 18:32:16 <berndhs> yes i see what you mean, there should be a more definite starting point for ht erepot
May 05 18:32:32 <berndhs> s/erepot/report/
May 05 18:32:32 <infobot> berndhs meant: yes i see what you mean, there should be a more definite starting point for ht report
May 05 18:33:02 <gandhijee> is there a button in the meego netbook edition that lets me shutdown the unit?
May 05 18:33:12 <gandhijee> or do it just depend on the hard button of the system?
May 05 18:33:21 <berndhs> gandhijee: hardware power button
May 05 18:33:21 <ali1234> depends on hardware button last time i checked
May 05 18:33:31 <ali1234> you can open a terminal and "sudo shutdown -h now"
May 05 18:33:55 <berndhs> I should write a shutdown app :P
May 05 18:34:04 <ali1234> sell it for $4.99
May 05 18:34:16 <ali1234> i'm sure you'd make a few sales
May 05 18:34:25 <berndhs> oh probably
May 05 19:46:09 <alterego> Is Charlie Sheen going to the SF conference? :D
May 05 19:46:12 * alterego chuckles
May 05 19:46:59 <alterego> Jaffa: ping
May 05 19:48:05 <alterego> Actually, never mind :)
May 05 19:53:43 <alterego> Think I might just wait for random selection rather than decide.
May 05 19:53:48 <alterego> I'm a heavy snorer.
May 05 20:02:02 * gabrbedd marks down his preference to /not/ room with alterego
May 05 20:02:05 <gabrbedd> :-p
May 05 20:02:21 <alterego> :)
May 05 20:02:22 <gabrbedd> Tip:  Wax earplugs are comfortable when laying on your pillow.
May 05 20:02:33 <alterego> Heh
May 05 20:03:05 <alterego> Are people bothering to find a room mate or do you think you'll just leave it for random selection?
May 05 20:59:38 <MrTroll> sup
May 05 21:00:29 <MrTroll> *cough* *cough*
May 05 21:01:06 <MrTroll> so, anybody here able to tell me what Meego is?
May 05 21:02:05 <MrTroll> anybody?
May 05 21:02:44 <MrTroll> is it a candy?
May 05 21:03:27 <MrTroll> Richrd: Hi
May 05 21:03:31 <lbt> idiot
May 05 21:03:33 <lbt> it's a fish
May 05 21:03:40 <MrTroll> really?
May 05 21:03:41 <j^> its a bird... its a plane...
May 05 21:03:43 <MrTroll> salt water or fresh?
May 05 21:03:49 <lbt> it's a goddam fish
May 05 21:03:55 <MrTroll> shell fish?
May 05 21:04:01 <lbt> some people
May 05 21:04:08 <MrTroll> it's people?
May 05 21:04:12 <lbt> just have to twist things around
May 05 21:04:22 <lbt> f.i.s.h.
May 05 21:04:33 <MrTroll> Meego is a f.i.s.h. ?
May 05 21:04:36 <lbt> yes
May 05 21:04:38 <lbt> clearly
May 05 21:04:41 <MrTroll> what kind?
May 05 21:04:50 <gabrbedd> trollfish
May 05 21:04:51 <lbt> waddaya mean ? what kind?
May 05 21:04:54 <lbt> a fish.
May 05 21:05:01 <MrTroll> a shell fish ?
May 05 21:05:08 <MrTroll> maybe a fresh water fish?
May 05 21:05:13 <lbt> repetition... bored now
May 05 21:05:15 <MrTroll> what kind of fucking fish
May 05 21:05:32 <MrTroll> ok
May 05 21:05:34 <MrTroll> look
May 05 21:05:35 <lbt> repetition + swearing... really bored now
May 05 21:05:45 <gabrbedd> so, are you like a freshman troll or something?
May 05 21:05:52 <gabrbedd> My toddler can troll better than this.
May 05 21:05:52 <MrTroll> huh
May 05 21:06:13 <MrTroll> i am confused now
May 05 21:06:20 <MrTroll> do you guys use the web ?
May 05 21:06:42 <MrTroll> the world wide web
May 05 21:06:43 <MrTroll> ?
May 05 21:07:33 <MrTroll> hello
May 05 21:07:39 <MrTroll> thiago_home: hi
May 05 21:08:08 <thiago_home> hello
May 05 21:08:14 <MrTroll> what is Meego?
May 05 21:08:59 <alterego> What isn't it
May 05 21:09:02 <MrTroll> thiago_home: what the fuc is meego
May 05 21:09:03 <alterego> http://www.meego.com/
May 05 21:09:07 <MrTroll> wow
May 05 21:09:09 <MrTroll> nice domain name
May 05 21:09:14 <j^> Meego is an American science fiction sitcom that aired on CBS in 1997. The series starred Bronson Pinchot in the title role. Meego was canceled halfway through its first season.
May 05 21:09:15 <MrTroll> but somebody tell me already
May 05 21:09:20 <alterego> Heh
May 05 21:09:31 <MrTroll> j^, you are dumb
May 05 21:09:39 <MrTroll> obviously this channel is not about some sitcom
May 05 21:09:47 <alterego> Of course it is
May 05 21:09:51 <MrTroll> bullshit
May 05 21:10:00 <MrTroll> don't mess with me, I am not in the mood
May 05 21:10:10 <alterego> Oh, you poor baby
May 05 21:10:14 <alterego> Maybe you should have a nap
May 05 21:10:15 <MrTroll> ok, this is weak
May 05 21:10:22 <MrTroll> I prefer to troll in #web
May 05 21:10:26 <berndhs> if you never watched the show, you wont understand
May 05 21:10:27 <alterego> See ya
May 05 21:10:29 <MrTroll> those guys get real bent out of shape
May 05 21:10:35 <MrTroll> u know what i mean?
May 05 21:10:39 <MrTroll> do you know what i'm saying
May 05 21:10:39 <MrTroll> ?
May 05 21:10:41 <alterego> I think you're bent
May 05 21:10:41 <DawnFoster> lbt: ping
May 05 21:10:46 <lbt> :)
May 05 21:10:49 <alterego> (out of shape)
May 05 21:10:55 <DawnFoster> lbt: you started feeding, you get to deal with it :)
May 05 21:10:56 <alterego> :)
May 05 21:11:02 * alterego chuckles
May 05 21:11:24 <alterego> A troll comes into #meego, I receive one spam mail
May 05 21:11:28 <alterego> cooincidence?!
May 05 21:12:10 * thiago_home is a Troll
May 05 21:12:37 <lbt> slash-kick thiago_home
May 05 21:12:53 * lbt is overwhelmed with power
May 05 21:15:37 <alterego> Heh
May 05 21:17:03 <alterego> Does the agenda thing work?
May 05 21:17:15 <alterego> That was probably quite vague
May 05 21:17:25 <alterego> The "Add to agenda" for SF sessions
May 05 21:17:47 <alterego> As soon as I go back to the page it seems to have reset all my choices.
May 05 21:18:20 <lbt> mm ?
May 05 21:18:49 <alterego> Oh, started working again, strange: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/session-schedule
May 05 21:19:15 <lbt> OK resubmited - watch
May 05 21:19:23 <lbt> oop - wrong chan
May 05 21:31:38 <alterego> I wonder if vlc on the N900 can stream to youtube.
May 05 21:59:11 <reed> hello all
May 05 23:01:49 <mikhas> someone with a fresh tablet UX installation here? what's the output of gconftool-2 -R /meegotouch/theme please?
May 05 23:02:06 <mikhas> IE, is the default theme on tablet UX base or meego?
May 05 23:12:49 <reed> mikhas, give me a sec to boot and I'll let you know
May 05 23:14:14 <reed> base
May 05 23:15:47 <reed> I installed the latest weekly build last night and now I'm not sure how to keep all software updated... is zypper the best tool?
May 05 23:21:41 <mikhas> reed, thanks
May 05 23:21:56 <mikhas> reported https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17159
May 05 23:21:59 <MeeGoBot> Bug 17159 nor, Undecided, ---, prajwal.karur.mohan, NEW, Theme for MeeGo Touch applications needs to be meego, not base
May 05 23:30:37 <reed> email client doesn't load :(
May 05 23:40:39 <gabrbedd> reed: Yes.  IMHO, subscribe to meego-releases@
May 05 23:40:51 <gabrbedd> reed: Every day, add the daily repos and do `zypper dup`
May 05 23:41:19 <gabrbedd> I wrote a script to automate the daily repo add... but I haven't updated it for the latest change in URL's.
May 05 23:41:27 <reed> gabrbedd, do I need to change the baseurl in the .repo file?
May 05 23:41:38 <reed> ok, that's what I thought...
May 05 23:41:57 <gabrbedd> No... you don't alter your repos... you add the new ones on top.
May 05 23:42:17 <gabrbedd> Other people track the `latest` repos...
May 05 23:42:30 <gabrbedd> But then it's harder to back out of a failed update.
May 05 23:42:50 <reed> uhm
May 05 23:43:11 <reed> not sure what you mean
May 05 23:44:22 <reed> gabrbedd, is there a wiki page that describes the update process?
May 05 23:44:32 <Leftmost> Would anyone be able to give me a quick rundown of the state of accessibility on Meego?
May 05 23:45:10 <gabrbedd> reed:  IDK, I just do it.
May 05 23:45:59 <reed> Leftmost, define:accessibility
May 05 23:46:03 <gabrbedd> reed: With the script I use... it's something like...
May 05 23:46:31 <Leftmost> Assistive technologies. Specifically I'm interested in the practicality of a MeeGo phone for a blind user.
May 05 23:46:43 <gabrbedd> reed: $ sudo ./meego-add-repos --dmc 1.1.99.5.20110505.8
May 05 23:46:44 <reed> Leftmost, I have no idea, sorry
May 05 23:46:50 <gabrbedd> reed: $ sudo zypper refresh
May 05 23:46:56 <gabrbedd> reed: sudo zypper dup
May 05 23:47:00 <reed> ok, got it...
May 05 23:47:16 <reed> I'm on meego 1.2
May 05 23:47:29 <gabrbedd> reed: There is no meego 1.2, yet.
May 05 23:47:55 <reed> gabrbedd, yeah, there is :) it's highly unstable
May 05 23:48:24 <gabrbedd> Leftmost: If you don't get an answer now, you'll probably get better answers during Europe's business hours.
May 05 23:48:32 <reed> http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.2.80.0.20110505.89/
May 05 23:48:37 <Leftmost> Okay, thanks.
May 05 23:48:50 <gabrbedd> reed: No, there is no 1.2.  That's the dev branch for what will be 1.3
May 05 23:49:10 <gabrbedd> But it's *not* 1.2
May 05 23:49:10 <reed> ok, terminology difference
May 05 23:49:26 <Leftmost> Looks like I may be able to catch the guy giving a talk on a11y in here then, so I'll give that a shot. Cheers.
May 05 23:49:35 <reed> bye
May 05 23:50:05 <akk> Stable releases in MeeGo are odd numbers, not even?
May 05 23:51:04 <gabrbedd> akk: No.  Stable releases are 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, etc.
May 05 23:51:27 <gabrbedd> akk: But if the "patch" level is >= 80... that's develepment on "the next" stable release.
May 05 23:51:56 <gabrbedd> So right now we have 1.1.99.etc and 1.2.80.etc -- but there is no 1.2
May 05 23:56:01 <reed> makes no sense ... 1.1.99 would mean that there is no 1.1 either? bha... whatever :)
May 05 23:58:33 <gabrbedd> Having 1.1.99 does not mean that there is a 1.1.
May 05 23:58:37 <gabrbedd> But there is one.
May 06 00:00:33 <reed> I get it... all I'm saying is that it's a confusing logic for newcomers ;)
May 06 00:00:44 <reed> no need to discuss it further
May 06 00:01:02 <reed> does anybody know the expected release date for 1.3?
May 06 00:01:13 <reed> or 1.2 stable, whatever comes first
May 06 00:02:31 <gabrbedd> There *is* a wiki for that... just a sec...
May 06 00:05:05 <gabrbedd> http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2
May 06 00:05:19 <gabrbedd> And 1.3 doesn't exist yet
May 06 00:05:24 <gabrbedd> But the process is here...
May 06 00:05:48 <gabrbedd> http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Release_Timeline
May 06 00:05:59 <gabrbedd> So add 6 mos. to all the dates on 1.2.  :-p
May 06 00:16:28 <gabrbedd> reed: I just updated the script for the new URL's:  http://gabe.is-a-geek.org/tmp/meego/meego-addrepos
May 06 00:16:45 <gabrbedd> However... it doesn't work for the 1.3 branch... it's still tracking 1.2 URL's.
May 06 00:21:34 <gabrbedd> King's X... it works for the 1.3 URLs.
May 06 00:27:01 <reed> thanks gabrbedd
May 06 00:27:37 <reed> does 1.1 work on exopc tablet?
May 06 00:55:43 <reed> i'm really confused now :/ 1.1.99.6 is MeeGo 1.2 Final release candidate ?
May 06 00:56:05 <reed> if so, what's 1.2.80.x?
May 06 00:59:35 <sraue> reed, maybe a 1.3 development release (alpha, pre-alpha...)
May 06 01:00:27 <reed> seems Intel is working on two fronts
May 06 01:00:46 <reed> 1.2 is not out yet and they're also distributing 1.3
May 06 01:01:18 <sraue> thats normal in development to work together with the next release on the next-next and next-next-next release
May 06 01:02:11 <gabrbedd> There is no 1.2.  There is no 1.3.  If you want a stable release your choices are 1.0 and 1.1
May 06 01:02:27 <gabrbedd> On 5/19 it's scheduled to release 1.2
May 06 01:02:29 <reed> gabrbedd, that's clear :) thanks
May 06 01:02:40 <gabrbedd> The versions 1.1.99.x are the RC's for 1.2
May 06 01:02:57 <gabrbedd> However, last week... they BRANCHED development of 1.2 and 1.3
May 06 01:03:09 <gabrbedd> Thus, 1.1.99.x is frozen (no new features)
May 06 01:03:16 <reed> I'm playing with the exopc that came with a pre-release of something and I'm trying to find a way to use it for something
May 06 01:03:25 <gabrbedd> While 1.2.80 is the stuff where they're moving ahead with plans for 1.3
May 06 01:03:58 <gabrbedd> reed: If you want to do anything useful, stick with 1.1.99.x
May 06 01:04:00 <reed> i should probably try the 1.1.99
May 06 01:04:15 <gabrbedd> ATM, I don't even think 1.2.80 will boot.
May 06 01:04:35 <reed> it boots and works decently but it has many bugs
May 06 01:04:38 <berndhs> it boots, but...
May 06 01:04:59 <gabrbedd> reed: If it works, then there's probably something wrong.  :-p
May 06 01:05:03 <reed> 1.1.99 still has the 'zones' right?
May 06 01:05:16 <gabrbedd> I'm sure someone's working on breaking it.
May 06 01:05:19 <reed> or is it using the new qml ui?
May 06 01:05:20 <gabrbedd> "zones" ?
May 06 01:05:24 <gabrbedd> You meet netbook?
May 06 01:06:02 <reed> not sure... let me stop chatting and look at the product :)
May 06 01:07:48 <gabrbedd> I think 'zones' is a netbook concept.
May 06 01:08:04 <gabrbedd> If you want to use the new QML thing, that's called the "Meego UX" or the "Tablet UX"
May 06 01:08:44 <gabrbedd> Latest weekly tablet build is here:  http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.99/1.1.99.5.20110503.6/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/
May 06 01:08:48 <gabrbedd> (if that's what you want)
May 06 01:13:27 <reed> gabrbedd, I think that's what I want :)
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